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Editorial: The State Of The Console War

It's an ongoing topic of conversation amongst all avid gamers, and of course, the ebb and flow of the retail tides tends to dictate which console has the lead. But that's hardly what everyone argues about - how does one argue over cold, hard sales stats? - so let's examine where the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and Wii stand at this point in time.

The disclaimer we always add to our editorials shouldn't be required by now, but I'll drop it in anyway- just because we focus on the PlayStation brand at this site does not mean we're a "fansite;" we're a legitimate site and always will be. Therefore, when I tell you the PS3 appears to be in the best current position, it has nothing whatsoever to do with bias. I was one of the few who said the Intellivision was better than the Atari 2600, but in the end, everyone remembers Atari for blazing the trail (and they did, of course). And when someone started trying to compare the SNES and Genesis, I always remember walking away...they were both so great; both had so many great games, so why even bother to argue about it? But these days, with online, many more genres of games, high-definition, all sorts of extra media content, and all that, there's a lot more to consider.

And about a year and a half ago, nobody in their right mind would say the PS3 was in the best position. The Xbox 360 had already been available for over a year, and had already provided us with some fantastic software (despite the miserable reliability that still continues today), and the Wii had sprinted out to a huge lead. But man, how times have changed. Let's hit the highlights to make it easier for the reader:

First and foremost, the games: Everyone freaked out when Sony lost exclusive rights to Final Fantasy XIII, but in my view, the PS3 still has by far the most impressive list of exclusives. Regardless of what the 360 and Wii may boast - and there are several big ones - neither can compare to the likes of Gran Turismo, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, SOCOM, and perhaps whatever Team ICO has prepared for us. Yes, I realize the latter is just a guess, but I'm sure you get my point. On top of which, I do believe the PS3 versions of multiplatform titles will start getting an edge on 360 games, what with so many developers beginning to use the PS3 as the lead platform.

Blu-Ray: As much as Microsoft wants to discount this as a big deal, it does indeed remain a big deal for consumers. The fact that the PS3 is the only video game console that can also be a high-definition movie player is significant, and will become more significant as Blu-Ray begins its admittedly slow overtaking of DVD. In 2007, over 80% of all TVs purchased during the holiday season where HD-capable, and most analysts believe it'll be around 90% this year. Furthermore, Sony's machine remains by far the cheapest option that will allow consumers to play both Blu-Ray and DVD. This is huge, considering the giant DVD libraries many people have, and their adverse reaction to having two separate movie players hooked up. Do they even have another player that can play both Blu-Ray and DVD yet?

The rise of the PlayStation Network: While it remains true that Xbox Live still has more bells and whistles, the Network and Store are much better than they used to be. The newly revamped Store is excellent, the reliability of most Sony servers is excellent, and it seems that with every new firmware update, more is added. It remains free while Live is not, and with the coming of PlayStation Home (which, by all rights, could have it's own bullet, here), this means the Network should be more and more competitive with Live. In fact, for many casual gamers, it's simply a better option right now.

Where did the Wii games go? I applauded Nintendo for coming out strong with an innovative machine that cast such a huge net over all consumer demographics. It really was an excellent move. But now, all I see is another GameCube...where are the games? What happened? Think of all the big-name games over the past year, and for the next few months. Name as many as you can...go ahead, take your time. How many are on the Wii, and how many are on the PS3 and Xbox 360? The discrepancy is pretty gigantic, isn't it? MGS4, DMC4, GTAIV, GT5: Prologue, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gears of War 2, Killzone 2, Too Human, etc, etc, etc. The biggest of the big, and ain't none on the Wii. I'm sorry, but I don't care how innovative your interaction gimmick is; without the software, no video game system on earth can win a console war.

Surprising PS3 reliability: I say "surprising" because I honestly didn't believe this system would be as unbelievably solid as it is. Most all retailers continually report a less than 1% defective:sold ratio, and while this doesn't necessarily separate it from the Wii (another remarkably reliable machine, but that's typical from Nintendo), it certainly separates it from the Xbox 360. That thing is a disaster, plain and simple, and there's no amount of PR twisting-of-words that can change that fact. Plus, with the prices of the consoles being the same and the games all over the place, what's really stopping someone from getting a PS3 over the 360 right now?

I'm not making any long-term predictions; this is only a look at the current state of the console war. Currently, no matter which way I turn or which angle I examine this from, I always end up putting the PS3 on top. Early in 2007, I would never have imagined such a massive turnaround, and I certainly wouldn't have expected it to happen so quickly. If this momentum continues, and unless I see something that spurs either the 360 or the Wii forward in my mind, I will continue to believe the PS3 has the current edge. Of course, I do have both the PS3 and 360, just 'cuz I really like those RPGs like Lost Odyssey and the upcoming Infinite Undiscovery, and of course, I need some way to play Gears of War 2. The Wii? ...I don't think so. Anywho, that's the way I see it; take it or leave it. :)

8/15/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (109 posts)

Fatcat3788
Friday, August 15, 2008 @ 10:47:21 PM
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Happy to have my PS3. Biggest kick in the butt in my eyes was the loss of Monster Hunter for PS3. Other than that I get all the games I really wanted on my PS3 so no complaints and looking forward to the next few years. I'm sure it will be on top.

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AceTatsujin
Friday, August 15, 2008 @ 11:05:26 PM
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Games on 360 come out on PC ... My PC demolishes the 360's system and [it]some[/i]PS3 games as well. I've got Quad-core, 2x 8800 GT Superclocked Sli-enabled with 4 gigs of overclocked dual channel 800 mhgz ram on PN5-Asus Mobo. Crysis is cake, there isn't another game that beats Crysis' requirements yet and when it does and if it requires me to upgrade, I will do that. 360 = garbage. I'll wait till MS comes out with a reliable freaking system that can actually compete seriously with the PS3, then I may buy it.

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Juicebeast
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 12:35:26 PM

Right on, Mr Fancypants. This costed you HOW much?

BTW, that's a rhetorical question.

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AceTatsujin
Friday, August 15, 2008 @ 11:12:05 PM
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I know I'm double posting. Here is a link to what I own on PS3/PC/PSP and what I have pre-ordered and interested in. You missed some strong games, too.

http://otakixus.com/monster.htm

Valkyria Profile
White Knight Chronicles
Driver (yes, its exclusive!)
Twisted Metal
Killzone 2

and the rest ...

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djduke316
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 12:25:31 AM
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I'm with Ben, owning both a PS3 and a 360 and my system of choice is the PS3. I do wish there were more exclusive RPG's which 360 surprisingly has the edge (cough SQUARE ENIX cough). Btw SNES was better!

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The_Chimeran
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 1:31:16 AM
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The ps3 had a hard first year but after uncharted came out it started getting momentum and then once 2.41/MGS4 hit, every 360 bias news site started giving the ps3 some more attention *cough* G4 *cough*. I love my ps3 but the 360 is looking really really attractive (not more than ps3 still :) ) now, especially with rpg's and gears. As for the wii, idk loved playing zelda, metroid, super smash was fun but galaxy seemed to beat an old horse around again and the other more casual friendly games aren't really for 1 person fun. And the direction that nintendo is taking with motion control is annoying me. I was expecting motion control like zelda and metroid but the wii sports reservation thing is just ridiculous to me. For the most part gaming is definitely getting huge..ish.

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Hull
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:38:12 AM
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This story is delusional. The PS3 does not have better games. Nobody cares about blu-ray. The Wii is not stagnant. The XBOX 360 has absolutely decimated Sony's marketshare with hardcore gamers.

Be real for a second. The PS2 was absolutely dominant, but the PS3 barely survives...Sony dropped the ball. Its exclusives are its weakest point and it's getting leftover 360 games from the 3rd party devs.

Don't get me wrong...it made it through the woods. It's going to survive, but don't pretend that it's in a good position. Its one big exclusive after being out for 2 years (MGS 4) dropped off the sales charts (it didn't make the top 10) a month after it was released. The biggest franchise on the system just went multiplatform (Final Fantasy). Just wait till the apologists explain why MGS 4 goes multiplatform for the 360 in a few months (oh, it will, cause Konami has to please stockholders).

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AntDC
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:27:40 AM

The PS3 barely survives? Have you seen its monthly sales lately?

As for MGS4 going multiplat... now that is delusional...

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The Cheat
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:11:55 PM

i have to say that while this article is a little more optimistic about the state of things it is a relatively true look at the situation. after working in retail electronics for some time now i can say that i will all ways suggest the playstation 3 as a blu-ray player before any other and to say the it doesn't matter is just you being swayed by microsofts bullshit.

it exclusives are the weakest? i don't see where that comes from. they may not be much better than the 360, but they certainly arn't crap.

i could go on but i don't want to ramble.

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The_Chimeran
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:31:48 PM

It's exclusives are the weakest point? what? Some of the biggest franchises from last gen are carrying over to this generation. Ratchet, God of War, Gran Turismo, Socom, and MGS. The the new franchises that are exclusive to PS3 are Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Resistance. Coming up are M.A.G and LBP. As for final fantasy well yeah we lost 13 but we have versus 13, so as of right now if you want the complete Final Fantasy experience you need the PS3. Listen for something thats barely surviving it looks like it's fighting really really hard. Trust me this isn't the place to post BS.

Last edited by The_Chimeran on 8/16/2008 8:41:49 PM

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GamerKid123
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:41:52 AM
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Yeah, i got a friend who when i speak about my ps3, he heats up and goes all hyped up and chucks out a load of rubbish about the 360 being better, stupid fanboy!

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 4:03:36 AM
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Ben you also forgot to say how attractive the ps3 looks when you think 'bout all the things it can do with the psp.

Seriously to be able to play all those ps1 classics on your psp is heavenly.

I agree with everything you just said. To be honest I love the Wii, it has a lot of goodness(Virtua Console, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and the games which came out last year like Mario Galaxy). But this year? This year is just as you say there's nothing to look forward to on the Wii....not even from Nintendo. Their franchises are seriously being mishandled.....Mario Kart is no longer something to drool for. Animal Crossing now looks like a dumb game they keep porting without graphical upgrades. They even apologized for what they did in E3....
I love Nintendo to death, I really hope they start making good games again, and not just one every 4 or 6 months.

The ps3 overall has a better base of developers. Naughty Dog, Imsoniac, Polyphony, all proven/tough devs which deliver great games all the time. While Microsoft is just getting 3rd party exclusives(mostly rpgs for now) they really have nothing other than Gears of War.

Just wait 'till those rpgs start coming ps3's way, you'll see history repeat itself.

Reminds me of when devs maxed out the Dreamcast in terms of performance, it did so much in the beginning but then the ps2 outperformed it. With its DVD, longer lifespan, etc. Same situation presents itself again with ps3's blu-ray and cell-processor.

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Juicebeast
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 12:42:15 PM

Nintendo's strength is the development of first-party titles, Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess, Prime 3... great games that help define the console. This was also true for the Nintendo 64. However, Nintendo's strength is belittled by it's weakness: the painful lack of third-party support. The SNES didn't have this problem, so it survived for a good lifespan. The Wii is still suffering massively in this department, and until Nintendo does something to change this direction, this Achilles Heel will spell Wii's doom.

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:11:21 AM
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I think, in all honesty, we're going to start to see leaps and bounds in terms of difference between the PS3 and the 360. In my opinion, the 360 is nothing but a generic architecture based off a slim-line gaming PC, which makes it easy to program for. But because of that, and because of Microsoft's decision to stick with DVDs for the format, I think we've already seen the best the system has to offer in terms of graphics and presentation. I don't think there's anymore room for growth for that system whereas there's still a lot of room for the PS3 to grow in terms of presentation, function, and innovation. If we're comparing the two, the first party developers for the X-Box haven't made a single game that's interested me. I diddled with Halo and Fable as well as Jade Empire on the previous incarnation of the system, and none of them impressed me even the tiniest bit. Where as Sony keeps coming out with games that make my eyeballs pop out of my skull like Shadow of the Colossus, both God of War games, etc, etc. These are the kinds of games we have to look forward to for Sony's console, and they're games that are going to continue to push the envelope of what the medium has to offer and what's actually capable of being presented to a player in a video game. Microsoft has only shown me second rate RPGs and more first person shooters that you can wave Gojira's tail at.

And, in all honesty, it doesn't matter that Final Fantasy XIII is going to the 360. The game was developed for the PS3 based on the PS3's architecture. What 360 gamers are going to get is a port of the final PS3 product, and ports never really translate well outside of their original console. Not only does that keep me away from ever deciding to get a 360, but the idea of having to change discs because -- let's face it folks -- Final Fantasy is going to require more than one or two DVDs to fit the game onto leaves me feeling very cold and been there, done that. The same problem comes along IF -- and it's a BIG if regardless of what the hopefuls keep wishing for -- Metal Gear Solid 4 comes to the 360 as well. It's going to require at least seven DVDs to put MGS4 onto the 360 without losing any data; less, maybe, if they compress the audio in any sort of way (which, y'know, is going to lose quality when they do that). That would mean at multiple points in the game (and not JUST between acts) you're going to have to get up and replace the disc with another one to progress in the game. The idea of that turns me off completely to that system.

I bought the PS3 because of the potential it has and what the future promises and will deliver. The 360 only has a future currently if they keep shoveling money at third party developers for exclusive titles and to keep the content of multi-platform games the same -- which also handicaps the possibility of growth in the medium a great deal -- because they, just like Sega before them, have wedged themselves into a giant hole that nothing short of delivering another console to a market that isn't ready for it can get them out of.

That's my take anyway.

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AceTatsujin
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 1:29:40 PM

Replying to MadPowerBomber --

Just to put you on an accurate term, and for those who are reading. MGS IV uses all 6 SPE's that is avaliable on the PS3, besides using the full Blu-Ray disk (49-50 gigs) ... MGS IV will never be released on the 360 because of those two facts. Kojima himself said they wanted to push the PS3 to the max, and it was announced that the MGS IV does push the system to the very edge. We all know the PS3's Cell is based on a server for super computers and it was reported in different business websites as well and not only that, they keep mentioning the PS3's performance and how the Cell is the leading power efficient, super processor that not only calculates faster than Intel and AMD's processors, but beats Xenon 3x Cores (360's CPU) and the top server processors. This news was released LAST WEEK on 4 major business websites, with one of them comparing and showing actual results and differences between the processors. MGS IV was designed for the PS3 and it will never see the daylight on the 360.

This is towards the 360 lovers who are still commenting on this website -- You guys need to calm down. You like your 360, right? That's fair enough. And facts are facts, the PS3 is catching up not slowly, but fast. Sales went up just because of GTA IV and MGS IV? ... You guys need to see our big exclusives that are coming soon, LBP, Resistance and Killzone 2 ... and just for the record, Killzone 2 is aimming to beat Call of Duty 4, not Halo 3. They've already shown us some awesome gameplay and graphics. Of course, if you do reply to me with hate then we know who you are. =)

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Blood_Haze
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:47:39 AM
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first of, "HULL", MGS4 sold 4 million copies worldwide and konamis sales went up 52%. also blu-ray is the best, its what made MGS4 possible. so dont be suprised that MGS4 will never come to 360. Besides the ps3 will catch up to the 360 because the ps3 has more exclusives than the 360. the only 360 game im looking forward to is gears of war 2. so take your fanboy talk out of here

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Cavan
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 6:40:21 AM
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people forget that the xbox only sells well in america, in europe the ps3 has already outsold the 360, and in asia, well its just a landslide, only america keeps up its sales of the 360, with amercia being so patriotic, it will alwayz do well over their, as its buying their own product, they wont quite do a sega tho, as microsoft are obvioulsy very rich, but the outlook for the ps3 is alwayz going to look good, when every terrioty is ps3 dominated bar one.

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www
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 6:58:28 AM
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Hull,are you a 360 fanboy? This is a very honest and peaceful site,ur likes aint entertained.Wat u mean blu-ray aint needed,Case u aint know am in Africa n we can't screw our money over for an unreliable system like 360,so gamers over here go for a more reliable system even if it's expensive.
PS3 has Europe,Asia,Africa.360 only got U.S,that aint good.

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orangpelupa
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:37:15 AM
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@all
This site is full of sony fanboys. . .
Just read the comments.

If you not a fanboy, you will realize that the comments always biased. . .
Ps3 fanboy's comments. . .

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Like the comment stating that using compressed audio will lost quality.

Ofcourse it will lost quality, but no-one will realize it. The quality lost is ultra minimal.

Wew. . . Many games use lossy audio you moron.
Using lossless uncompressed audio is basically just to fill the disc.

And many games use ogg audio, lossy codec with very high quality and small file size.

And audiophiles also cant complain with audio compressed with codecs like flac.

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:07:25 AM

No offense, sunshine, but when calling another individual a moron, you might want to go back and read a few books and gather a better grasp of the English language if you expect to be taken at all seriously. Just a suggestion.

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orangpelupa
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:50:04 AM
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Btw for sales. Ps3 and x360 have its high and low.
Like this july-august. X360 got huge sales in japan, because Tales of Vesperia.
Just like years ago in japan when x360 got IDOLM@STER and IDOLM@STER Live for You.

(yeah, the game title is all caps)

Ps3 got high sales when it got mgs4.

Both system have its high and low.

And its the game that make console sell.

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Brw78
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:19:20 AM
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Sony has dropped the ball with the PS3, I'm sorry but it's time to face the facts. Games aren't selling on the console, their best game has been GTA IV (not exclusive and 360 sold more of its version) then its MGS4. But the rest is pretty bad, Uncharted 1.2 million, Resistance 2.5 million etc. those aren't respectable numbers.

That's why Sony has lost out on more exclusives this gen because games currently tend to sell better on the 360.

And sure they have great exclusives coming but so do the other consoles. Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet will end up being this years highlights, but don't expect LittleBigPlanet to move too many units, that game isn't a system seller. Then you have Killzone 2 and God Of War 3 in 2009 (if those even come out for sure then) and other games like Mag (a lot of players online could = lagfest. 2008 was supposed to be Sony's year but it's not going to end up like that.

360 has Gears Of War 2 which will end up going head to head with Resistance 2 I presume, there's Banjo and Kazooie, Fable 2, Left 4 Dead, new Bioshock? and the Mass Effect series will be finishing on the 360 before a new console comes out. Throw in the great third party titles and it makes things hard for Sony to pass the 360 this year.

Then we have the Wii. People have complained about this a lot on here already, but really what's the need for complaining? First off, we've had a Zelda game, Mario game, Metroid title, Smash Bros. Game and Mario Kart game all under 2 years. Nintendo's been very good to Wii owners and the hardcore crowd alike and now the third party support is getting there as well. NHL 2k9, Call Of Duty 5 World At War, The Conduit, MadWorld, Tench 4, Fatal Frame 4 and so on and so on. Then throw in Animal Crossing for later this year and the titles Nintendo has planned for next year (new Mario, Zelda and Pikmin?) it's going to be hard for Sony to gain ground on Nintendo.

Sorry but Sony is in the worst spot of the three at the moment, maybe next year will be different.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:29:33 AM

Because Playstation3 isn't selling better in Japan and Europe.

Intereting, the US isn't the only region for games. I'm sure you know that.

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The_Chimeran
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:51:35 PM

Seriously now, everyone has got to stop saying that M.A.G is gonna be a lagfest. I'm sure that's on the top 5 of their prioties for making M.A.G. A lot of people said that about Resistance and Warhawk but both turned out nearly flawless.

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Jed
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 5:31:49 PM

If all the 360s dont burn up before then

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faraga
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 5:07:05 AM

a friend of mine, who's a big nontendo fan (and has a wii), was saying he was probably gonna buy a ps3 because of many reasons:
they recently bought a hdtv and need a hd player (so that's gonna be bluray)
he hates the xbox 360 (unreliable, not many games he likes)
the wii hasnt got any good games coming in his eyes
and Little Big Planet:D

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cheng
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:36:19 AM
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@orangpelupa - so wats ur point??madpowerbomber just stated out the facts he dint go any further regarding the audio's qualitys gonna affect the gamers. tat doesnt make him a fanboy. its just tat u cant realize the lost quality doesnt mean every1 cant realize it. theres obvious preferism over consoles n obviously people here just prefer ps3 n they have a dam good reason(reliability of ps3, its fact), n tat doesnt make them fanboys(unless u c preferism s fanboyism). I do agree tat its games tat sell the hardware n alot of developers had already see the potential of ps3. cant wait for RE5!!!
P.S.- i appologize if i sound offensive.

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Jizmack
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:38:21 AM
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rahhh still makes me mad ppl are talking about the final fantasy 13 for multiplatform...

did you see versus with the prince and all that jazz. that game looks bad as hell

Versus XIII ==== Ps3 Exclusive

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Brw78
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:53:11 AM
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"Because Playstation3 isn't selling better in Japan and Europe.

Intereting, the US isn't the only region for games. I'm sure you know that."

Um yeah I did know that actually, but I guess it's the Japanese and European peoples fault cus' their not buying games right? No..

Funny thing is in Europe the games tend to sell better over there than in the U.S. so the point made is invalid. Sony games just aren't selling in general and you can't pinpoint it on one place or country, it doesn't sell regardless.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:38:34 PM

Not buying games?
Not you're just sounding completely ignorant lol.

Did you see how GT5P, MGS4, and other games sold when they came out?

lol you're a joke
360 games do sell well in Europe(mostly UK), but to say that now they're selling better overall is flat out wrong. Specially when there are more ps3s sold in both regions.

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SerendipityDeus
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:00:24 AM
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*sigh* this is rediculious (spelling?) if ur just gonna bash the ps3 get out of here, we don't need the likes of u here, this aint a fanboy site but please back up wat u say with hard cold facts thank you =D

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Brw78
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:08:51 AM

*Sigh*, I have backed up my points..read my post above where I talked about all the consoles. I replied to those putting down the 360 and Wii but all I was doing was giving insight as to what those systems have coming out.

@Scarecrow (first post on here, not second)
You were talking about Nintendo not having anything:
Then we have the Wii. People have complained about this a lot on here already, but really what's the need for complaining? First off, we've had a Zelda game, Mario game, Metroid title, Smash Bros. Game and Mario Kart game all under 2 years. Nintendo's been very good to Wii owners and the hardcore crowd alike and now the third party support is getting there as well. NHL 2k9, Call Of Duty 5 World At War, The Conduit, MadWorld, Tench 4, Fatal Frame 4 and so on and so on. Then throw in Animal Crossing for later this year and the titles Nintendo has planned for next year (new Mario, Zelda and Pikmin?) it's going to be hard for Sony to gain ground on Nintendo.

And 360 has more than just Gears Of War:
360 has Gears Of War 2 which will end up going head to head with Resistance 2 I presume, there's Banjo and Kazooie, Fable 2, Left 4 Dead, new Bioshock? and the Mass Effect series will be finishing on the 360 before a new console comes out. Throw in the great third party titles and it makes things hard for Sony to pass the 360 this year.

So stop being PS3 fanboys please, I pointed out the faults of the system because no one else was. Everyone was quick to jump on board and bash the 360 and Wii. PS3 games are not selling and that's why they lost exclusives (GTA IV, Final Fantasy 13). Future looks good, but many inside Sony (and fanboys) said 2008 was going to be their year. But it's going to be hard with what Microsoft and Nintendo are dishing out both this year and next.

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MirrorSoul
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:00:42 AM
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Jesus Christ!! Brw78 and Hull yall need to quet down or shut up completely.This site is for fans of the PS3!! We arnt here to this Consule is better without giving due fact.Both of you sound like Fanboys to the Highets Csliber.If you wana bash our system go to Xboxnerds.com (Not joking I think its the Sister site to this one.) I came to this site and started to comment here because IGN,Gamespot,and many other site started to run rampent with negativity for the PS3.I am no Fanboy I have a 360 but to say Games on the PS3 arnt selling is stupid.The only reason 360 has higher sale nnumbers is becaus of the instal base THATS IT!!.I will say you can have your own views on a system but when you go against facts you always lose.Th3 360 has not outsold the PS3 in consules this Year..FACT..The PS3 has more Exclusives and has had better multiplatfor versions of games since the beggining of the year...Fact.So please go contiue your, Insults and,Bias comments somewhere else.

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pavlovic
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:05:55 AM
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I own the PS3 and the X360, had 2 Wii's (I really wanted to give it a chance) and get rid of them because the lack of software for my personal gaming preferences.

I look to the 2008 games lineups for the consoles I own and what I see is a better one for the PS3.

I'm not a RPG fan, so those exclusives for the 360 don't call my attention. All I see in the near future in the MS machine for me is Gears 2, nothing more.

In the other side, I see LBP, R2, GOW3, KZ2, InFamous, Motorstorm and my favourite console multiplayer of all time: Socom, which, by the way, it's going to be a system seller, I know a lot of people that are going to trade their old PS2 and even their 360s to get into Socom.

Multiplatform games: I try to get most of my multiplayer games on the PS3 for a reason: I'm not afraid to turn on my console and get the RROD.

MGS4 going to the 360? Unlikely, but if it does, good for all 360 owners out there, so they can have a chance to play one of the most beautiful games available as the PS3 players will have the chance to play Bioshock in a few months.

I really hope that developing multiplatform doen's hold back all the potenciallity inside the PS3 because the limitations inside the 360 cough DVD cough.

For those who said that the BD doesn't matter, you don't know how wrong you are, BD is awsome and the PS3 is a fully upgradable BD player, so you will always will have a state of the art player. Games like R:FOM, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted and of course MGS4 couldn't fit into a DVD without a lot of compressing. By the other hand Gears is amazingly... short. It had to be in one DVD. I loved that game from the start but ended mad as it was so short.

I do think that Sony is in a very good position and if developers continue to use the PS3 as leading platform, MS will be in some trouble or getting a new xbox very soon.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:33:38 AM
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BRW: I understand you're trying to be the lone voice of opposition through reason, but sadly, all your viewpoints are heavily skewed. This is why you're getting the responses you are. Saying Sony "lost" exclusives because games sell better on the 360 is true to some extent, but then again, they only sell better on the 360 due to the difference in installed user bases. It's hardly fair to say the 360 games are "better" because more people have 360s at this moment in time. It got a one-year head-start, yes?

And you basically shot yourself in the foot by naming the great consoles on the PS3 and then trying to say the 360 and Wii have a competing list, and all you could provide for the 360 was Left 4 Dead (questionable "AAA" at best), Gears of War 2 (the only truly legitimate blockbuster), Fable II (dare we remember the failed hype of the original?), and Bioshock, which is coming to the PS3 this year, and as the best version available. How exactly does any of that compete with the exclusives I listed for the PS3? On what planet does that compete?

Furthermore, you say that 2008 is supposed to be the "year of the PS3" but it isn't turning out the way. ...why? Do you honestly believe that Blu-Ray's victory, MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, PlayStation Home, and the rest of it don't EASILY eclipse the likes of what...Gears 2 and Too Human for the 360? Hell, MGS4, Resistance 2, and LBP eclipse that and we haven't even TALKED about anything else PS3-related yet! Anything else the 360 or Wii has that's all kinds of mind-boggling in 2008? Something the PS3 doesn't have? EVERYONE knows the PS3 is leading this year, including analysts, and you say you use facts to back up what you said. So where are they?

And no, we're not going to stop complaining about the Wii. It has been almost two years, and ALL we have is the Mario, Zelda and Metroid. That's it. That's all. The PS3 had more than that in the first six months, and has had more than that in 2008 alone. Same for the 360. I will not stop complaining when a system has no software. Period. On top of which, if you honestly believe ANY hardcore gamer is going to play the likes of Call of Duty 5 on the freakin' Wii, or any other multiplat game for that matter...well, many will have difficulty understanding that stance.

Sorry, but to say the PS3 is in the "worst" spot is ridiculous and you did nothing to back up that claim. Very few, even loyal 360 and Wii followers, will agree with what you said because it's blatantly wrong. You completely ignore the points made in my article as if to claim the Blu-Ray victory, PlayStation Home, vastly increased software library, far superior hardware reliability (in comparison to the 360), and everything else is irrelevant somehow. That's just a bad way to go about proving your case. So please, don't turn this into a huge war. You're not right, here, and no "fanboys" are jumping at you. People who don't respect lame claims are jumping at you, and that's just fine by me.

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MirrorSoul
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:40:46 AM
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Thank You Ben :)

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Brw78
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 11:06:01 AM
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Ben:

It's not even that they sell better on 360, it's just the difference of how they sell compared to the PS3. And yes 360 has been out for a year and I don't really recall saying the games on 360 were "better", if I did what I was saying was there is more variety because it has been out for a year.

Well I listed more for the 360 than that, Mass Effect series' is planned to finish on this platform so Mass Effect 2 could be coming next year. And there's also Banjo and Kazooie which could end up being a decent little title. Bioshock is coming to the PS3 but is it a new game or is it a late port? If that's the case at least 360 stole exclusives before they were released and not after. Many people liked Fable anyways, so you can't say it was a huge disappointment.

Anyways though it competes with your list because Killzone 2 and God Of War 3 won't come out until next year (God Of War could be longer) and the big hits for this year are Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet. And LittleBigPlanet is expected to move units how? Sorry but that's not a big name exclusive in my mind, I get the sense of a juiced up casual game on Wii but with level editing, strong online and visuals. And Wii has a good lineup currently, maybe not in your books (which isn't a surprise LULZ) but to many Wii owners it is. For a year and a half Wii owners have been waiting for strong third party support, and its coming to Wii this year and continuing on into the next. Conduit, MadWorld, Tenchu 4, Fatal Frame 4, Call Of Duty 5, NHL 2k9, those things will help Nintendo because it's what Wii owners have been waiting for, it may not interest you and it may look weak compared to other platforms but it's what Wii owners have wanted. Animal Crossing in December, Mario, Zelda and Pikmin out next year? I don't see how it doesn't compete, and the planet it competes on is Earth.

Home, games and Blu-Ray victory? Didn't Blu-Ray win in 2007? Anyways thats besides the point, yes those things have helped but many could argue that the other platforms have had good online experiences (Live) and games. My point is units still aren't flying off shelves, and game sales are low. You need to do all of those things in my mind to "win" the year, and to be fair no one has done that yet. All I was saying was PS3 owners, analysts and the like have said it'd be Sony's year and I was just arguing against it, comparing it to the other platforms and showing how PS3 doesn't have a decisive edge like so many people think.

All those first party titles from Nintendo in about a year and a half of the Wii existing? Sounds pretty good to me, and Wii has had other software and is getting more and more each month. 360 has had good software for 3 years now, both of those consoles have software. 360 is also getting a new dashboard and other goodies which many are looking forward to. PS3 didn't have more than that in it's first six months either though (sounds kinda fanboyish to me). Wii owners will play those multiplatform games, the one's with just a Wii and the one's waiting for those titles to finally come out that's what I was getting at.

360's are more reliable anyways now, the hardware's been revamped and chances of RROD are like 6-10 % now or something. And if I'm not mistaken this was about the console war, so I can go about how I talk about consoles how I please. You talked about the consoles and I replied back with facts, with games coming etc, numbers of games sold.

There's no need to get uptight now, you seem a little edgy. Last line's not rude or intimidating, it's more immature than anything but it's no biggie. I'm just trying to have a good discussion with people and talk about all the consoles, but some people need to take off their PS3 goggles. With the way this guys acting up they're getting a little foggy...

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cheng
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 11:11:20 AM
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*bow 2 ben* xD

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Hull
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 11:36:47 AM
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Microsoft has its own set of problems, mainly that the hardware was faulty crap from launch. Still, they had NOTHING 8 years ago, and are now nose to nose with Sony worldwide. They have also done a much better job securing exclusives....the 360 has a better game roster than the PS3 now, and probably for the rest of this generation. Credit that to the amount of games (especially 3rd party), that the system sells. Yes, its main market is North America, but that's the biggest market in the world.

Nintendo has problems too, even if all you hear about it is the amazing hardware sales. Its main problem is that it can't sell games made by anyone BUT Nintendo. Madden on the Wii doesn't even chart. It's also questionable how they can provide an upgrade path for the Wii (a Wiii 2). Still, they went from a niche player to the big name. They got their mindshare and mojo back. They came in at the right price while Sony and Microsoft were asking for way too much.

The PS3 is definitely in worst shape. It lacks many big exclusives and can't rely on the free ones it used to get (those go to the 360 now, cause it leads in game sales).

The PS2 was dominant, and the PS3 is in 2nd place only if you look at the numbers creatively (lets not count Wii hardware, North America as a whole or game sales anywhere).

Online is a complete disaster for the PS3. A total embarrassment. PSN means 'devs do it themselves', and they haven't. They are still trying to catch up to features XBL had 5 years ago. How Sony thought they could be a powerhouse in gaming and ignore online play...is bewildering. Achievements were obviously a great idea when the PS3 launched....why was it not there? They were dumb to ignore what the competition was doing. Nintendo got by here cause their fans don't expect it....PS3/360 fans DO.

And, PSN is free cause it's a DIY network. Home has a development, support, maintenance costs to make up.....it's not going to be free, and that's a guarantee. Sony lost so much market here, cause if you are going to pay....will you pay for the Second Life clone or the place where all your friends are already playing? Exactly.

The worst part about the PS3 is that it's guaranteed to have a short life. 2010. That's when the next XBOX will probably launch, and when the PS4 HAS TO launch (or they risk falling even further behind). I'm a developer, so I know the PS3 will be almost impossible offer backwards compatibility for. It will also be dropped like a bad habit by devs when the next gen launches.

Sony lost a lot this console generation. Still, they made the right moves over the last year. The system survived and Sony has enough credibility intact to pave the way for a solid PS4...if they play their cards right and pay attention to what the market wants.

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www
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 11:53:12 AM
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Brw, stop mentioning that stupid Banjo Kazooie sh*t.Dat's a pure IMITATION of Ratchet n Clank,how the f*ck you gon name it Banjo Kazooie Nuts n Bolts,we done seen enuff bolts n nuts in Ratchet already.Microsoft this generation,are just robbin off ps3 on everythan they got.First they ditch out money to steal all our exclusives like ffxiii,gta n now they wish to bribe Hideo Kojima for MGS 4.

No hate for 360 i must admit i admire there controller even thogh it's bulkier than dualshock 3,I got nun against 360,but i just want them to be original n be happey with there gears n Halo.Sony aint ditchin out money for Halo,they always lookin for sumthin new,look at lil big planet,i guess MS will rob ps3 of that one too.

Please, 360 got no innovation,just robbin n stealin anythan they can,look how they treated HD DVD like a pu**ies,just dumped them off when they lost,they had no trust in hd dvd winnin in the first place so dat explains why 360 aint got hd dvd drive built in,MS dont really believe in themselves,they always scared somebodyelse gonna take over,like some paranoia bullsh*t.Just look how the rushed the system just to beat ps3,if they weren't scared they coulda waited n released the same time,but they were scared ps3 will win!!
360 it's okay but i can buy there product when they don't believe in theyselves.The console doesn't even believe in itself n rrod's any moment.

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 11:38:08 PM

Banjo Kazooie released 4 years before ratchet and clank FOOL. they were imitating a future release??? LOLOLOL And sony can't get Halo guy thats a microsoft title. You really have to check your facts man your statements are ridiculous.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 11:57:54 AM
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Hull: stop talking. Nothing you said is even remotely correct. I'm not going to bother with that mess, and PLEASE, nobody else should, either. Just ignore it...it's not fair to people who actually know what they're talking about.

BRW: You still refuse to acknowledge any of the facts I posted, and until you do, I'll ask you to step down off the faulty soapbox. Thanks.

Everyone else: Don't let yourselves be drawn into flaming wars. It's still mostly civil for now, but I know where this is headed, so just pass on any long, drawn-out arguments. It won't get you anywhere with people who won't concede a single solitary point.

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tramp_17
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 12:16:01 PM
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I really hate this crap,honestly.I own more than one platfrom and there ps3,psp,ps2 ,i've got to say i love my ps3 the most and one thing about it is the i have no worries the ps3 is built for the future (blu ray, 7 cores,)and it is reliable.

i only wish that all of you would look at yoursleves and think this is sad talkin about who will win this generation,why not just talk about who will be able to live on the moon first me or u.its undicided yet ,but wat you could argue about who is reaching this point faster ps3 or xbox360,i know who'd i'd invest in......and i have.
keep up the good work ben,love the articles.

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Governator5000
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 12:32:11 PM
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I have all three platforms and enjoy all for different reasons. But i do have to agree the ps3 is the one that im most excited about in the coming years and its also the one i will play the most. Exclusives like Resistance 2,LBP,Socom etc. On the topic of BRW, and hull, They both don't know what they are talking about. You can't compare banjo kazooie to anything, it hasn't been around for like 10 years. I don't think it will make an impact. Gears of war2 is the only game that i will buy for 360 in the coming year. Mass effect 2 "Could" come out this year, but i can say flying cars "could" come out this year as well. Fable 2 seems like more of the original. And wow the RROD is down to like 6-10 % you say, still sounds pretty high compared to less than 1%. If i were to buy a new system now, i would get ps3, if my 360 stopped working i wouldn't buy another.HULL, you really have no idea what your talking about do you, the ps3 will have a longer lifespan than the 360, the next microsoft system will probably be pretty similar to the ps3. Ps3 will be around for quite a while especially with the next gen format of blu-ray. I have nothing against wii, but nintendo plays the same game every generation, it plays its mario,zelda,and metroid cards but after that ???????. Anybody who's going to buy COD5, probably has a 360 or ps3 and wont buy it for wii. Wii needs more third party games specific to wii, not hardcore games watered down from the more powerful consoles. I love all my systems, but i think ps3 will win in the long run.

PS. Enough with the fanboys trolling for comments on here. It might make you feel special like you have a purpose in life but its quite annoying to everyone else talking about the facts.

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cheng
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 12:59:34 PM
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if Hull is a developer(of games) then i'm the owner of this site, made multi million $$ every year, own half of new york n las vegas, my best frens are bill gate, president george bush, osama bin ladin(o.0) my girlfrens jessica alba(shes like the only hottest chick i know from america really n i cant remember wats the name of the chick in transformer) n i have a body exactly like jin kazama(the 1 shown on the ps3 with the most realistic graphics i ever seen), thank you :)

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pavlovic
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 1:29:22 PM

"i cant remember wats the name of the chick in transformer"
Megan Fox, but she's my wife!

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Nightshade386
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 1:49:00 PM
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I don't really care about the whole "winning" and "losing" nonsense that fanboys get caught up in. I'm not a shareholder, so I have no real and tangable vested interest. All I know is that when I look at the short list of PS3 exclusives, very few of them appeal to me. Thus the system still is not worth my $400.

Exclusive games for the PS3 that interest me: God of War 3, Infamous, and whatever Team ICO "might" be working on. That really just about sums it up.

Exclusive and Multiplatform games that interest me that I can buy on the 360 that I already own: Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Gears of War 2, Too Human, FFXIII, Fable 2, Bionic Commando, Fallout 3, The Force Unleashed, Prototype, Madden '09, Ninja Gaiden 2 (haven't gotten to it yet), Legendary, Fracture, Far Cry 2, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Lord of the Rings Conquest, CoD WaW, Tomb Raider Underworld, Prince of Persia, Left 4 Dead, Infinate Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant, Red Faction, Resident Evil 5, and Ghostbusters (assuming it's still alive).

So look at how many games I want to play that I can get for a system I already own. Compare it to the amount of time I actually have available to play. Then look at the small list of PS3 exclusives that actually appeal to me, and it's pretty easy to understand why I feel no need to buy a PS3.

And there are a lot of other gamers out there who feel the same way. That may change as more and more exclusives come out and people like myself are forced to take notice and eventually get a 2nd system. But that day is not today. Nor is it likely to be this year, or next.

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AceTatsujin
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 2:15:45 PM

Go back to your 360 website if the PS3 is not worth your $400.

You don't want superior system? You don't want the new technology, Blu-ray? You aren't interested in the best Media machine? And the free-service that is getting offered? And its exclusives? Please ... get lost.

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Nightshade386
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:13:09 PM

Fanboys are so funny. I made a point about my own tastes, and all you can respond with is a variation of "XBOX sux." Whatever.

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food86
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 2:06:02 PM
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Thinking with a clear head and looking at sales this year the ps3 has passed the 360 in many ways. Sure the 360 had a headstart but they are clearly losing ground. As far as game this year the only thing thing xbox has got going is gears 2 and fable 2. People thinking that lbp will not sell is completely wrong. Lbp will move systems for parents that want a blu-ray and intertainment for their little ones. As far as multiplat goes both systems will have them. I on the other hand am not looking forward to jrpgs or gears or mass so the xbox doesn't appeal to me in any way. and I am sure as hell not losing 50 dollars to pay for live when I can play for free on the psn. Everbody has their own pov or their fav systems and my so happens to be the ps3. In the long run ps3 wins. xbox is leading(not counting wii) but look how much ground they've lost so far.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 2:32:50 PM
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AceTatsujin: Leave him alone. He's not being hostile.

However, NightShade, I DO find it somewhat curious that you're a frequent poster here and all you tend to do is tell us why you don't need a PS3. ...at a PlayStation-oriented site, I could interpret that in a certain way. But as you're not flaming anyone, I guess I'm confused. Why are you here so often when you have no intention of getting a PS3? You know what we do here, right? ;)

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Nightshade386
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:16:33 PM

I own a PS, PS2 and PSP. I have nothing against Sony. If fact, I'd like them to start releasing some games that interest me. Make me buy a PS3. So far there isn't enough. But tell me Ben, if this isn't a fansite, why is my opinion an issue for you? I believe it's my right to stay informed and state my opinions.

In fact, I'm really hoping that Team ICO actually "is" working on something, because Shadow of the Collossus was one of my favorite games of last gen.

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Aftab
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:17:28 PM
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@Brw: The wii is well-made, cheap gimmick. So I'm sure those who are taken to cheap gimmicks are thinking they've got a promising line up. But to others, that simply isn't the case. "LULZ". And bluray isn't a cheap trick, anymore than dvd's were. You'll be renting them, soon.

Seriously, ask the average 12 year old who wants a wii, about "Metroid", and they'll have no clue what you're talking about. It's an awesome title, I'm sure. But, the average consumer doesn't know too much about anything they're buying. Ask even the average gamer about "HDMI". Maybe, they've heard of it. But that's it.

About "hardcore" gamers: you seem to be confusing them with "hardcore fanboys". Hardcore gamers typically have a 360 and a PS3. Therefore, they don't count for "winning" edge in the competition.

Me? I'm not a hardcore gamer, though I have a 360 and a ps3. I typically buy a couple, maybe at most a few games during a system's life time. But, I make sure I get the best ones. This is how I get the most fun out of my dollar.

And about Sony "dropping the ball". That's just wrong. They haven't even stopped supporting the PS2! On the other hand, it is MS that dropped the ball on the xbox, and soon enough, well before Sony does, they'll be dropping the ball with this generation, too. You know that. Isn't that why you're on this site? Isn't that why you find yourself more curious about the ps3?

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:39:02 PM
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This whole thing is very simple... This is a PS fansite. As such, we will get PS Fanboys but at the same time we also get people who just prefer the PS3 over any other system. This community is for people who share similar views in the video game industry. NOT the SAME views, but SIMILAR. People come to this site to talk about the PS3. That includes the good the bad and everything that's in between. What this site ISN'T is one that likes to stay in a constant state of "war" over this subject. We don't come here to attack one another. Yes, we enjoy our PS3's. Yes, we talk about how much we like it. Yes, we give reasons why we like it. Yes, you are darn skippy, we compare the PS3 to the other systems (mostly in favor of the PS3) I say it again, this is a PS Fansite. When people pass the threshold of registering to PSXEXTREME they should expect to come to a site that is Playstation favored. So my question is, "If you aren't a fan of the PS3... Why are you here?" I came here because this is a community that shared similar opinions to me. A site that I could meet other PS3 users to talk or play with and at the same time learn about what is going on in the PS3 universe. I don't understand why you would be here otherwise. I have to agree with MirrorSoul here... Go to Xboxnerds.com it is the xbox version of this site.

In regards to that, thank you Ben and Arnold for setting up this community. I am sure I speak for many other members of this website as well when I say that I really enjoy being a member here.

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MirrorSoul
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:27:46 PM

Thanks for the posative enforcemnet on my comment. I though noone noticed it lol

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:44:24 PM
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Hmm... I didn't feel like I said anything bad in my last comment... Or do "comment pending moderator approval" just get put on if it's a long comment?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:04:40 PM

Nah, it was just because you had a web address in there.

And thanks. We always appreciate the whole community! :)

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:09:19 PM

I see. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for future posts.

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kj313
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 3:48:06 PM
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@ben and Brw I truly do respect u guys arguement. U both kept it on a high class level. But ben I do understand the point your tryin to get across to brw. Your point to Brw is for him to see u have a point!

I'm so tired of hearin bout this 1% defective system. I've had the ps3 since launch! My 60gb had broken down 4 times! One time I sent my ps3 in and as soon as I got my new one it broke down!

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Aftab
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 4:41:06 PM
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Yo kj313, I thought you said, as a Christian, you're not supposed to judge others? And about the ps3 breaking 4 times, quit playing porn on it. Jesus doesn't like that :)

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kj313
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:34:58 PM

WTF ARE U TALKIN BOUT??? I hope your tryin to be funny cause I certainly didn't judge anyone!

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Aftab
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:14:55 PM
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Well said, Mr. Fatcat.

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tlpn99
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:47:58 PM
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Having both the 360 and PS3 I have to say the PS3 is my favoured machine. But I do say this the 360 is still a good solid machine there is no taking away from that but what I am finding more and more is that the PS3 is slowly but surely catching up.
As far as MS Live goes yeah MS is doing great with that, but I use the PS3 online a) As it is free to play online. B) I tend to buy more of my games for the PS3 as they have extra content in etc. So I am gonna use the PS3 more online than the 360.
As for all this Metal Gear will or won't come on the 360 talk, who cares. I have it for the PS3 and if my mate who has a 360 buys it then good for him, he is playing a solid brilliant game. Why can't it come on the 360 ok it would be over 3-4 disks like Lost Odysy was.

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tlpn99
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 5:50:10 PM
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sorry I posted twice my net has been playing up and it sometimes freezes etc :)

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bamf
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 6:58:05 PM
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My 360 got the ROD last week, I've only had it back from repairs for about 5 month, and the console isn't used as much as my PS3 now that I'm starting to get the PS3 versions on multiplatform titles. The reason being is for online play which I don't do much, however its free and paying for Live wouldn't be worth the money for such little play time online. Another reason is I stopped caring for achievement point and the gamerscore, I prefere leveling up on the PS3, just need more trophy support in the games.

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The Cheat
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:04:49 PM
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Do they even have another player that can play both Blu-Ray and DVD yet?

^ that line actually made me sign in.... every freaking blu-ray player can play dvd's you retard....its an up converting dvd player as well as blu-ray player... all of them are..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:45:04 PM

No, they freakin' don't. I didn't realize Sony and Samsung have made some in the recent months that do, but plenty, including the Pioneer Blu-Ray players, don't play DVD. And when Blu-Ray had the HD war won, I'm not sure there were many other (if any) Blu-Ray players besides the PS3 that would play DVD.

Don't freak out until you get your facts straight. And next time the word "retard" gets typed by you, you're gone.

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coolistic
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 7:41:10 PM
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Well, the stores in my country don't even sell Xbox 360 any more because of it's high failure rate. So I can't really buy a 360 anymore, but hey - I have the PS3:D

But I think it's extraordinary that the Wii is still selling as it is - it's unbelievable popular! And it just keeps on selling and selling! Remarkable!

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www
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:03:41 PM
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Once again,no hate for 360 but i luv my ps3.I just wish 360 will be more attractive for me to cap it,but it aint,WHY?

Because does ANYONE AGREE wit me dat 360 still looks more last-gen except the graphics;

1.The game media is STILL DVD.
2.The games come in the same old XBOX green casings,still so long not short like ps3's.
3.The cd tray still cums out like a d*ck.
4.It still got sh*t like memory card slots like ps2.
5.It looks like a System Unit.
6.Batteries in controllers,WHAT!It's like using batteries in mobile phones.

Props:360's controllers are REALLY attractive but bulky, i could do with the dualshock 3.

NOW PS3
1.PS1 was CD,PS2 was DVD,PS3 is BLU-RAY,now dat's clear gen differences.(Xbox was DVD,360 is STILL DVD,hell no!)
2.We put our Disks in a slot we aint gotta wait for a tray to come out,we had issues with ps2's tray comin in n out.
3.We charge our controllers easily.
4.The cd casings are not short n transparent not the same old blue ps2 cases.

NOW TELL ME WHICH IS MORE NEXT-GEN?

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www
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 8:06:53 PM
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Correction on the last point
4.The cd casings are short n transparent not the same old blue ps2 cases.

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:41:50 PM
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Ben you shouldn't have wrote this article/editorial, because it has divided the whole psx community, but whatever. hehehe... Oh yea ben can you just IP ban all the fanboys plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 9:42:24 PM
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Nightshade: I never said I have a problem with your opinion. I do, however, have a problem with you making posts expressly designed to tell everyone here you still have no reason to buy a PS3. Right, got it. We GET it. Why bother saying the same thing, over and over? You really don't think that won't get a negative reaction?

And in all honesty, if you say none of the current and future PS3 exclusives are your "taste," then yes, I'm going to have to question your taste in games, too. At this point, there are games for just about every "taste" on the PS3.

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Nightshade386
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 2:31:06 AM

I've made plenty of posts on here that were possitive about specific games. If you think all I do is post negativity, than clearly you are picking and choosing. That's your choice Ben, but it shows your true colors.

In fact, I really don't care if one system sells a few more units than the other one. All the systems are selling well, and that bodes well for the entire industry. That's good news for all gamers.

But it should be noted that the 360 sold more units than the PS3 in Japan last week by more than a 2.5:1 margin. I noticed you didn't cover that at all.

Source: http://www.edge-online.com/news/japan-xbox-360-outsells-ps3-25-1

It's becoming quite clear to me that this is little more than a fansite and that I won't gain anything useful from coming here other than "PS3 rulz, 360 sux." This is sad, because I was hoping that I might find something interesting here that might get me excited about something on the PS3. Instead, I just find BS.

The whole mentality is just as absurd on 360 fansites as it is here. I mean, unless you're all stockholders in Sony, there's really no logical reason for the hostility towards Microsoft. Same goes for 360 fanboys and their hostility towards Sony.

And before you get all high and mighty about "not being a fansite," then why do you feel the need to post the disclaimer about not being a fansite in half your articles? If you're not a fansite, you're tapdancing on a thin line at the very least. That makes this site less than credible as a journalistic site. I won't be coming back.

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Nightshade386
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 2:48:43 AM

"Comment pending moderator approval" huh?

So you sling mud at me and my tastes personally, and then limit my ability to respond. Very mature Ben.

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Admin PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 3:55:26 AM

Your comment required approval due to the link in your post. We don't "censor" comments.

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 11:49:51 PM

Man Nightshade me and You have the same brain!!! HAHAHA

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:15:51 PM
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If people don't want to get a ps3, fine with me lol.

I never understood why people felt so happy 'bout not getting another console?

I mean as long as I(heavy emphasis on I)get the great games that will come out for ps3 that's all I really care. That's why I got the console, 'cause I*** wanted to get those games.

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MirrorSoul
Saturday, August 16, 2008 @ 10:51:12 PM
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This is Amazing!! I left today to go to work hoping all of this would be resolved when I got off....seems i was wrong.This artical was a fine well written one like any other Ben writes.It was this dang contest(Which was very great and generous of Arnold who I think set it up) that brought these people out of the WoodWork..I appreciate Ben, Arnold and Val for establishing this site.Even through these Flames and Dumb stuff people talk KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK PSX!!!!BTW Lol I remeber e-mailing Ben and telling him something like this would happen with all the trash talk.....Lol Ben I think you owe me a cookie for being right ;)

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 11:56:43 PM

And mirrorSoul its one thing to complement the fine work of these guys and their great work on this site but its another thing called crotch riding(for lack of a better term) and you my friend are a crotch rider. Every time i see you on here all you do is crotch ride. You are the equivalent of a teachers pet or a groupie. lol Quit trying to get attention from these guys all the time man its annoying. You my friend is the definition of fanboy

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 12:32:33 AM
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Actually, besides two people, I think everyone has been just fine in this topic.

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cheng
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 5:25:02 AM
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hopefully i'm not the 2 tat ben mentioned...

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tramp_17
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 5:42:47 AM
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man looks up from his trench........."is it over"????

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Brw78
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 8:36:46 AM
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I've been just fine in this topic as well, if trying to have a good discussion about all the consoles is wrong then shoot me. I made facts about all the systems and responded to facts of others on here, if they don't want to acknowledge me making facts or replying to them properly well go ahead, but I made facts/replied to yours and not replying to them yourselves makes you look silly.

You wrote an article about the console wars, am I right? I was on N4G and saw it and said "Oh alright I guess it should talk about how everyone is doing in 2008 now". But it was putting down the other systems and praising the PS3. Reading other replies on here and that article shows how over protective people are over their PS3's, some don't count Wii as a competing system (fanboys) and others can only talk about how PS3 is doing everything right (fanboys). It's fine how you all like your one system, but when writing an article about the state of the console wars you should acknowledge all the systems and not just praise one. One it's not professional and two why wouldn't you talk about what all the other systems are doing? Other site's I've been on talk about the systems or have their separate forums/sections.

@The people replying to me with poor grammar saying "NO WAT U R STUPD, DAT PS3 RULEZ" please don't type like that and talk to me.

Another thing that should be cause for concern is the immaturity of not only the members but the staff here as well (don't know about the Borat guy, but Ben has been). Saying things like "step off the soapbox" and "People who don't respect lame claims are jumping at you, and that's just fine by me." What is that? There is no need for that, if you thought you were making valid points already there was no need to insult others.

I've replied to facts about all the systems and made some. Some were my opinions but I guess you can't have those on here unless they're positive ones about the PS3.

Wii is doing well and selling units despite having a drought in summer with no games to play. The fall is when third party support for the system improves, that continues to get better in 2009 and Nintendo has more exclusives planned.

360 has changes coming to its interface along with great titles to play.

PS3 has great games coming but some won't be coming out until 2009/2010. The ones scheduled to come out for 2008 look decent but if they had one more in there like a God Of War or Killzone 2 they would have done a lot better than they will end up doing.

Sony is still providing for the PS2, but they shouldn't be anymore. Their main focus should be the PS3 and once that's done they should just move on. There's nothing wrong with having a 7 year cycle or whatever, but when you have a new system out you don't need to add 7 more years to it.

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MirrorSoul
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 11:23:13 AM

P.S just to note that if not all games on wii are exclusive because of its controls so really when u make a game for Wii the chance of it being multiplat are small so "Exclusive" isn'tthe same on Wii as it is to XBOX and PS3.Also earlier you said somthing about the RROD rate being low now.No sir you are wrong.RROD is a design flaw and nothing can fix that buddy the rate is still at 32.5% of systems brake.

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MirrorSoul
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 11:19:12 AM
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Brw78 can you do one thing for me? Can you write a list of exclusives for Microsoft and Sony.Then compare who has better games this year.I just wana see what you come up with.

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AceTatsujin
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 1:34:47 PM

Haha. I doubt he'll reply.

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www
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 11:40:49 AM
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It seems Brw78 gettin too much boderation!
Brw78 with all due respect,i n i know you ah prefer 360,good fi dat,just pliay ya game don't cause ruckus with ps3rudebwoys.

Mi ah ps3rudebwoy n 360 ah good system but mi ah prefer ps3, badman.ONE LUV!

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AceTatsujin
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 1:44:26 PM
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Just to give you guys some actual facts. The Blu-Ray discs cost NO MORE than the DVDs. They focused on cutting the price down when they made Blu-Ray, which was thinner then the DVDs were which the price on it dropped! Then they added the protection formula to protect it from being scratched and from easily being cracked which brought the price to the same level as DVD. The only reason why it is expensive right on the market because it has such a high demand. Wait ... 2 to 3 years, and it will completely replace DVD-formats.

MS knows this and they need to start making a new system, regardless ... Once they start, Sony will do the same thing and Nintendo. And MS and Sony know their mistakes so the next generation is going to be very tough for both of them and Nintendo said they wanted to join the Hardcore Systems ... so maybe we'll have a three way. Whichever way Square Enix goes I go with them, but honestly Sony knows how to do things and for next-gen systems they're going to go beyond once again and suprize everyone. Microsoft lacks Hardware developers (wonder why even bother be in the gaming industy, they lost over 3.53 billion wasting money on RROD, having contracts with Sony Exclusive developers like SE and Take-Two, etc. and they still haven't made any profit). We'll see how next-gen systems will be.

But right now, its clear that the PS3 is taking the lead from not only gaming but media as well. LBP, Res 2, Killzone 2 and fore-most is God of War III are going to be huge games.

On another note, and this is a rumor, if you've seen GoW III trailer and how real Kratos looked like, they're saying the gameplay is going to be just like that! If that is true, FF XIII's graphics, Killzone2, Gateway 3 and Heavy Rain is going to look like a joke next to GoWIII.

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www
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 2:04:23 PM

Acetatsujin FYI Getaway 3 has been dropped.Anyway Ps3 still RULES! mi breda,lickle more.

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muthah
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 3:24:10 PM
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reality check. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PS3-Wii-Xbox-360,news-2358.html

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 10:05:20 PM
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Nightshade: There's no getting past my memory. I can also view all your posts in our database. I've just reviewed most all of them to be sure...and in 90% of them, you have found a way to tell everyone why you don't need a PS3, and why the 360 is still better in some way. Take it or leave it. Everyone here manages to make very well informed posts, and to say all of them are just fanboyish or whatever is nothing more than frustration on your part. I'm sorry you see it otherwise.

Brw78: You have yet to address the points actually made in the article. I see a grand total of maybe one reply that has any bad grammar or fanboy nonsense (I usually delete those, anyway). Saying "Sony dropped the ball" and not providing a solid shred of reliable evidence is difficult to swallow, which is why people reacted in a certain way. I had no way of writing 50 pages to include all three consoles in the editorial; I could only include the one I believe is in the lead. If you could actually REFUTE a point I made rather than add your own opinion, that could be worth while. Ever think of that?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 10:07:08 PM
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Oh, btw: most of you guys did have fun with the article and liked talking about it. Not surprisingly, it's only those who feel "oppressed" who took it too seriously and HAD to find a way to annoy certain people. But no worries! We love comments! :)

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LightShow
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 10:13:05 PM
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wow

not so much the subject matter, just the reactions remind me a LOT of the (seemingly eternal) PC vs. MAC debate.

it all seems to range from sedate to annoyed, all the way up to potential heart attack.

i guess when people spend a lot of money on a system, some need to prove to the rest of the world as well as themselves that they spent their money wisely

^_^ interesting

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AceTatsujin
Sunday, August 17, 2008 @ 10:45:23 PM
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think we should just drop this and move on. we'll wait and see who'll top the other at the end of 2008.

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DigitalStorm
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 7:18:06 AM
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PS3 is the best by far, however wii is too far in the lead to be overtaken anytime soon.

As for in the article, mentioning new games...


...wii fit will keep it running for a while. (try getting hold of one)

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tramp_17
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 7:41:15 AM
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hopes this ends soon......
and im sorry for tellin people to go on to a different site but,ben your not the only one....
http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/08/18/sony-ps3-picking-up-steam-xbox-360-loses-its-mojo/

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Brw78
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 11:31:13 AM
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Sony for the rest of the year:
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Atlus 18-Aug-08

Buzz! Quiz TV SCEA 23-Sep-08

MotorStorm: Pacific Rift SCEA 7-Oct-08

Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm Namco Bandai 14-Oct-08

SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALS Confrontation SCEA 14-Oct-08

SingStar Vol. 2 SCEA 21-Oct-08

Resistance 2 SCEA 4-Nov-08

Valkyria Chronicles Sega TBD Nov-08

LittleBigPlanet SCEA TBD Oct-08

Microsoft for the rest of the year:

Too Human Microsoft Games Studios 19-Jul-08

Spectral Force 3 Atlus 29-Jul-08

Tales of Vesperia Namco Bandai 26-Aug-08

Infinite Undiscovery Square Enix 1-Sep-08

Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise Microsoft Games Studios 2-Sep-08

Zoids Assault Atlus 9-Sep-08

Guilty Gear 2: Overture Aksys Games 30-Sep-08

Mobile Ops: The One Year War Namco Bandai 1-Oct-08

Fable II Microsoft Games Studios 21-Oct-08

Gears of War 2 Microsoft Games Studios 7-Nov-08

Indianapolis 500 Evolution Destineer 18-Nov-08

The Last Remnant * Square Enix 20-Nov-08

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts

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Jed
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 11:36:53 AM
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I think the ps3 is in a very good position, not nessacarily the best, but the future looks very bright. There were big problems with third party devs that didnt understand the ps3, but now most of them are making with the ps3, which is better for the ps3 AND 360. The sixaxis controller was kind of a flop, but they stuck with it and for certian games it is a very cool thing to have. several games have blossomed on the ps3 even after being ported from the 360. Now that developers have the knowledge, and will to make ps3 games, some of the best games are yet to come.

The playstation is the reason blu ray won the format war, that's a fact. and BR is going to repay the favor. Blu ray one because of the ps3, and the ps3 is selling better because of blu ray, a perfect circle.

The 360 has a lot of great games, I know this because I do have one and I play it often. Microsoft is dropping big bucks to get exclusives, and to take them away, but sony still has premium quality exclusives, and a growing library of games. The PSN has come leaps and bounds since launch, but Xbox live is still the better service, but is it a better deal? besides paying for the service, you have to pay for themes, gamerpics, and other misc. items that the PSN provides for you. All of the DLC that is available on Xbox live is great. Movies, tv shows, games, you name it. The amount of DLC on live is extensive, but that could be bad for some of us xbox users. The biggest hard drive you can get is $180, and it's only 120gb. The ps3 will soon have as much, if not more DLC than live. If you run out of space on your ps3 you can buy a huge hard drive for $180 and keep upgrading while the price of hard drives continues to go down.

The wii has had an incredible run, but time is running out. The hole thing was a gimmick in the first place, they came out with all kinds of innovation. the problem is the games. After they went through the regular cycle of mario, zelda, smash brothers etc. The rest is pure shovelware.

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Brw78
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 11:37:03 AM
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RACE Pro Atari TBA 2008

You’re in the Movies Codemasters TBA 2008

Onechanbara: vorteX D3 Publisher TBA 2008

Spectrial Diario Idea Factory TBA 2008

Dance Dance Revolution Universe 3 Konami TBA 2008

Lips Microsoft Games Studios TBA 2008

Scene it? Box Office Smash Microsoft Games Studios TBA 2008

Naruto: The Broken Bond Ubisoft TBA 2008

http://qsf5.com/2008/08/06/exclusives-watch-2008/

Another good read:
http://www.gamingconsolenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 12:39:52 PM
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Very convenient that you skip the first part of 2009 that features Killzone 2 and God of War 3. And while you're REALLY reaching to find 360 games, you clearly didn't do the same for the PS3.

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Minishmaru
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 1:22:35 PM
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Ben you're the best. Seriously you have valid points and no need to defend any of what you say cuz out of all the systems...the PS3 is the only one that can improve over the years. I don't see the 360 being able to keep up and the Wii...well, its nice for the kids XD

Games, hell yeah PS3 has the greatest lineup! Even for just PSN games they are better than alot of the 360 exclusives. They don't have Pixeljunk Eden/Monster! That company is awesome!

Blu-ray, lol M$ had nothing better to defend themselves with than the whole downloading is the future so they're not worried about bluray...stupid!

PSN, yeah I still agree that the XBL has a better layout and its I guess quicker/smoother. But compared to how the PSN was the first year...its improved! Whats going to happen in another year or 2? HOME! The little 360 avatars are just pathetic and a ripoff of Mii's

Wii games, besides for trying to keep their consoles alive by bringing back the similar faces time and time again...they got NOTHING!

Reliability, lol despite what people say...that RRoD thing the 360 has had for oh what is it now? 2-4years?...just horrible. They should have fixed it by now! Come on!

Thats my 2 cents, as always guys. KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK W/ YOUR SITE!

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MirrorSoul
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 4:09:26 PM
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Fable II Microsoft Games Studios 21-Oct-08

Gears of War 2 Microsoft Games Studios 7-Nov-08

Tales of Vesperia Namco Bandai 26-Aug-08

Infinite Undiscovery Square Enix 1-Sep-08

Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise Microsoft Games Studios 2-Sep-08

Too Human Microsoft Games Studios 19-Jul-08

That is what I expected you to come up with.Above I have pasted from the link games that will truly make a good profit. If your a good gamer you would have to admit many of those games on that list wont fare to well because all hype is going twoard these games above.

You're in the Movies Codemasters TBA 2008

RACE Pro Atari TBA 2008

You’re in the Movies Codemasters TBA 2008

Onechanbara: vorteX D3 Publisher TBA 2008

Spectrial Diario Idea Factory TBA 2008

Dance Dance Revolution Universe 3 Konami TBA 2008

Lips Microsoft Games Studios TBA 2008

Scene it? Box Office Smash Microsoft Games Studios TBA 2008

Naruto: The Broken Bond Ubisoft TBA 2008

As for these games here they have also no Definative date so they are subject to delays.But really do you think these games will boom as being Exclusives?Naruto is on everyones platform so really dosnt count.Im sorry to say but Lips is a rip off of Sing Star and Scene it is basically a Buzz! Quiz with better known lable. Fable, Gears,and Too Human are what Microsoft is really banking on this year cause if any one of those three tank it will be a massive loss.As for your PS3 list there was many more you could off added just as you did your 360 which I know you had to search for a good minute to find a site that had those "No Name" games.Games such as NBA 09 The Insider and others "Many others that are also japanese like you second post had" Could be pulled up and used as PS3 Exclusives but you didnt care to find the, Why is that? Why is it that you choose to put only the main titles that you know everyone has heard of and not inclued the many people havent for PS3 like you did for your 360 list?

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MirrorSoul
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 4:16:51 PM
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P.S Banjo and Viva Pinata are basically Familly freindly oriented (I bought Viva 1 and It was a masterpiece of a game but didnt get much attention at all and didnt fare at all to well on the market)

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Fatcat3788
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 5:11:23 PM
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Oooh don't forget about the network games coming out! Ratchet and Clank! That one looks awesome, despite the length but still an expansion to probably one of my favorite platformers. Apparently, Braid for XBLA is pretty awesome too. Pixeljunk Eden was awesome as well. Don't count out network games... especially with the new ideas that people are coming up with.

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Brw78
Monday, August 18, 2008 @ 11:01:42 PM
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Um Ben he told me to list the games that are coming out this year to see who had an edge, that's why I didn't include 2009 because this year is 2008!

And I didn't discard or throw away any games nor did I search very long. I just copied the exclusive games from that first link I posted that hadn't already came out yet (no point including the first half of this year) and that's all I did.

Fable 2, Too Human, Gears Of War 2 and Banjo and Kazooie are what really interest me in that list and say what you will about Banjo and Kazooie but I don't see it as any less of a mature title than LittleBigPlanet.

So Microsoft has 3-4 solid games in 2008, and PS3 has 3 titles I would say are gauaranteed to be solid. Resistance 2, Socom and LittleBigPlanet. So really I don't even see how Sony fairs better exclusively in any regard, if anything it's pretty damn close. Read the first link and look at the Wii games, even the Wii has decent exclusives, much improved from previous years.

People should really read the second link about fanboyism, it's not too bad right now. At least Mirrorsoul has started to have a decent discussion with me and has refrained from using insults. Others can't seem to do that but oh well.

Don't get me wrong the PS3 is a great system and I have every intention to buy one probably by the end of 2009 once more games that interest me are out and the variety is all there, but I'm also showing how the other consoles this generation are doing well and in my mind Sony has decisively won anything. People should read the first link I posted in the post with all the games I listed for the PS3/360, it's a good read as well as the second link.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 12:01:20 AM
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Do you notice the difference in tone between your last post and your first...? Perhaps you should admit you came on too strong and didn't really refute points in the article, because that's really the only problem. If you had started with this last post, I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have had too many people getting upset.

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MirrorSoul
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 5:20:25 PM
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True I have tired to have a decient disscusion with you but Ben is right, you came on way too strong on the first post and didnt elaborate on the problems you find in the Artical. BTW I have seen the first few review of Too Human and it isn't faring too well. It looks like it might not live up too its hype as many games do, I will rent it to see how it is. : )

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AceTatsujin
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 10:39:39 PM
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neways, PS3 WILL ROCK YOUR PANTS GUYS! Disaega 3 coming very soon, less than a week! And ... and, ... LITTLE BIG PLANENLTKWEJLTKJL21K1J5LKJ%!

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Tuesday, August 19, 2008 @ 11:06:07 PM
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Actually Ben "The Cheat" was right most(if not all) blu-ray players have always played dvds also. just thought you should know. check amazon if you need further proof. Oh yeah even the pioneer ones. The BDA all agreed it should be a staple in blu-ray players and 90-95%(maybe 100) of them do play dvd's. it's ok to admit you're wrong sometimes man. But i guess first you have to realize that you are right?

Last edited by n/a on 8/19/2008 11:15:23 PM

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