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Hey Square-Enix, Did PlayStation Fans Betray You?

You know, I've been thinking. Somehow, this whole thing must be our fault. There's no other logical explanation. So my question is, what exactly did we do?

Reminisce with me for a bit, here. Back between the years of 1996 and 2000, RPG fans adored their PlayStations. They adored them for obvious reasons, but we knew one basic rule, and it's a rule that most any role-playing aficionado would agree with: if it says "Squaresoft" on the box, pick it up, and bring it over to the counter. It's a guaranteed winner, even if it doesn't say "Final Fantasy" anywhere on it. Chrono Cross, Xenogears and Vagrant Story were three of the best RPGs ever, and while they didn't get unbelievable review scores, most still loved the likes of Legend of Mana, Parasite Eve, Brave Fencer Musashi, Threads of Fate, and yeah, even Einhander. There were a few slips (some silly Chocobo Dungeon game and Ehrgeiz, for example), but for the most part, that rule was cut and dry. Then we moved on to the PS2, and Squaresoft became Square-Enix. Many will say everything went downhill from there, and while I agree S-E has never managed to repeat the heyday of Squaresoft, I don't agree that "everything" went downhill.

Let's just say that if you can make Final Fantasy XII, you've got my vote. Now, we're in a new generation and PlayStation owners take a look around, saying, "...hey, where'd Square go?" Well, to be perfectly honest, I have no effing idea. I understand their desire to appeal more to Western gamers, and I also understand Microsoft's desire to snag some Square-Enix property. This is why I also understand most next-generation S-E titles are headed to the Xbox 360, and for the record, I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with the fact that PS3 owners are continually left out in the cold. Infinite Undiscovery, although not great, was a 360 exclusive. Star Ocean 4 is a 360 exclusive. The Last Remnant is coming to the PS3, but it will debut first on the 360. As for Final Fantasy XIII, I still like the fact the PS3 was the lead development platform, but if I firmly grasp the situation...shouldn't the PS3 version launch well ahead of the 360 version? Square-Enix has already said they won't even start on the 360 version until FFXIII is on Blu-Ray and ready to go.

Soooo...why are we waiting? Just because the U.S. is the only place getting the 360 version, and Square-Enix doesn't want to piss off the 360 owners? Whatever. And yeah, I know Final Fantasy Versus XIII is still a PS3 exclusive, but I'm not about to put a huge amount of faith into a game I know very little about. And today, another kicker- it seems Square-Enix and Microsoft's booth at the Tokyo Game Show are right next to each other, and they're all sorts of buddy-buddy, according to attendees. Okay, fine. Put stuff on the 360. Good. Have fun. More potential greatness for 360 owners, and I have a 360, anyway. But why, why are you ignoring the PS3? Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't PlayStation owners treated you very well in the past 12 years or so? Square-Enix, I'm honestly not understanding this blatant snubbing of the PS crowd. I suppose I can take solace in the handheld stuff (Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Dissidia: Final Fantasy and the Star Ocean remakes), but really, that's not good enough. I don't expect S-E to reclaim Squaresoft's former glory, but I do expect a little respect.

Perhaps it's just a business thing. The PS3 is still in third - although rising quickly - and maybe S-E wants to maximize profit potential. This is the argument the 360 owners make. Okay...to maximize profit potential, you release on multiple consoles. That's kinda logical. You know, unless someone gives you a large chunk of change to screw over loyal fans. I really don't see any reason why something like Star Ocean 4 can't come to the PS3; I really, really don't. So we PlayStation owners, as a unit, must've done something to piss off Square-Enix. Did one of you trip a S-E employee on his way to work? Did a bunch of you send nasty e-mails after FFX-2? Well now, see what you did? This isn't logical, either, so I'm just going to have to conclude that Square-Enix is voluntarily abandoning PS3 owners this generation when faced with a large check signed by Microsoft. And that, no matter how you slice it, is irritating.

10/8/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (91 posts)

LightShow
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 @ 11:01:24 PM
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Enix seems like a dinosaur, touting the the-PS3-is-an-afterthought mentality that the industry was plagued with a year ago, but has since proven a stupid way to go about business. Everyone now, with a few exceptions, at least release identical games for both systems, and many use the PS3 for the lead platform.

Catch up with everyone else, Enix. I'd hate to see you die because you keep pissing off the base that made you an RPG Juggernaut. You dont have to give us super special treatment, but EQUAL treatment has become priority. The occasional bone to attone for past misdeeds would be appreciated, like giving us FFXIII when it's done.

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Daedusian
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 @ 11:21:31 PM
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Great article. Couldn't agree more.

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AceTatsujin
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 @ 11:26:47 PM
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That's why I switched to Level 5. There are other Japanese RPG companies that are actually making exclusive games on the PS3 and I'm happy for that. I hope the PS4 doesn't lack like the PS3 and I hope it surpasses the next XBox in everything. MS just needs to lay the @#%@ off already. I hate them.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:29:19 AM

Your attacks on Microsoft are getting annoying. This blatant disregard for us isn't Microsoft's fault, it is Square Enix's. Lay some hate their way if you want, but it seems like every time I read the comments I see you going out of your way to attack Microsoft? So please explain to me, why the hate? I don't like the idea of "buying" exclusivity but MS has found a way to boost their market penetration and sales. I can't see anything wrong with that. If someone said gave you a card that allowed you to print money, are you saying you wouldn't? It's up to companies like SE and Capcom to stop giving MS that card.

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ThePoetRazel
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:11:23 AM

I agree with SHADOW here, this is far more a problem of SE's not necessarily MS's. SE shouldn't get let off the hook cos people would rather shout as Microsoft. Lay the blame where it should be laid and hold off your MS bashing until MS actually does something wrong.

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LegioN
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:46:55 AM

However.. I wouldn't put microsofts pockets out of the question guys.

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Orvisman
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:07:02 AM

@ Shadow,

Without a doubt M$ft is writing checks. And that is the problem. That is why people hate M$ft. Now I have an Xbox and 360, so no hating going on here. But I do not want to see M$ft become a dominant player in the videogame industry. A perpetual third or second place would be nice. M$ft tries to buy thier and steal thier way into every industry -- the Zune, Xbox, Replay TV (thier TiVo knock off that thankfully failed) -- and who really wants them to succeed. Do we really want M$ft to do to videogames or MP3 players what they did to the PC industry.

We all know how M$ft throws thier weight around in the PC market, pretty much just ripping off every great idea and repackaging it with the M$ft logo and forcing stores to include thier versions (sometimes inferior, sometimes not) on PCs and not thier competitors (RealPlayer and IE come to mind).

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Ed_Wayne
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 @ 11:58:59 PM
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It's very simple. Microsoft gave them an unimaginable sum of money and SE said "WOW, look at the money! **** Sony and Playstation and the giant crowd of loyal fans that made us extremely rich. We have Microsoft now!"

You know what's awesome? PS1 and PS2. We will never again see something so wonderful as those two systems and the support they had. Period. Abandon hope now.

1995-2005. Then the 360 came out. The successor to a system that sold 100 million LESS than the PS2. And now, for some reason it is taking away everything. Like I said, abandon hope.

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:22:04 AM
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It'd be great to see an article about the RPG creators that are heavily supporting the PS3. I know there is 1 or 2 more other companies out there that are making a PS3 RPG game. Few more weeks, ... just few more weeks and PS3 is gonna get that #1 title back and spit on SE's face.

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Advent Child
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:38:17 AM
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If it werent for that fact that they have final fantasy XIII i would probably just plain out and boycott them. I mean you say fu** you to me, I say fu** you back

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 8:08:33 AM

Yeah,u definitely would say F u too if smaddy says F u but in the case of S-E,u just can't,why?

Because they provide u with quality Jrpg u want n the've proved that over the years most with billion hours of gameplay so they kinda monopolised the Jrpg bidness even though we have other competitors,FF's graphics n story line is un-matched just like MGS(splinter cell is always a substitute but the first-team playa will always be the best).So it's really difficult to say F u to S-E.

But on the other hand some us might be true loyal psfans,but do u pause to see that most ps2 owners dat contributed to that 150 million sales record were those who went the xbox 360 way.....That leaves S-E no choice than to give them some attention.
To dat question "Did Playstation fans betray you?" YES! not me,not Psxextreme members but most others not on this site ranting elsewhere on gamespot n other sites dat 360 is superior.......back-stabbers!

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:44:20 AM
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I am not a fan of JRPG's (for the most part). I can take a Final Fantasy game every now and then, but for the most part they are boring and the stories tend to be extremely cliche.

Because of my general disinterest in the genre I could care less about most of these. I cannot however ignore the fact that square will FINISH the damn game (Final Fantatsy XIII) on PS3. Port it (and presumably localize it simultaneously). And THEN release mulit-plat. That all by itself is the most psychotic release strategy I have ever heard. I also know many a JRPG fan who bought a PS3 expecting companies (especially square) to continue their strategy of catering to the Sony fanbase. I, like Ben, have no problem but with SE also catering to (or even focusing on) the 360 owners (they do have a lot of users after all) but when this comes at the nearly complete disregard for your most loyal of fans then I have to question your plans.

I think that the only way that PS3 owners can forgive SE for this is if the executives stand outside and let everyone with a PS3-proof of purchase kick them in the nuts.

The only solace I feel is that Versus XIII should (in theory) be unfased by this shifting of ideals at Square. The tone of that one has appealed to me much more then XIII has.

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Fatcat3788
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:23:41 AM

I have to agree with both you and Ben. I can't lie and say I wasn't a little pissed off that XIII went to Xbox, but it didn't bother me as much as the fact that although Last Remnant is multi-plat Xbox gets it first and then XIII is multi-plat and they make us wait. It only gives the biggest "wtf" attitude in me ever. I believe that this is the S-E spit in the face where it proved to all Sony fans that they have certainly put favor into Microsoft and everytime they state otherwise, it is utter bull****. Add that to long time Sony franchises going Xbox exclusive and you have by far the biggest kick in the nuts ever. I've always felt that franchises that started on a console should at least always come to that console. The biggest problem with Microsoft waving money around(if it's true) is that is doesn't extend the gaming library. Instead of giving money to small gaming companies where new companies can blossom and in turn give an exclusive game they just buy exclusives from games that were already planning to be made. This is what upsets me most. Anyway I am done ranting. Hopefully things will start to look up coming down the road. These new exclusives that are coming to the PS3 are definately making me feel that way. (hurray R2 and LBP!)

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enjoi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:48:39 AM
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Releasing bad to average 20hour RPGS and getting a company to play you millions of dollars to do. Why not?

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:00:09 AM

Those games could have easily sold over 2 or 4 million on the PS3 alone, that's over 100 or 220 million US dollars, easily ... Infinite Undiscovery hasn't even sold 1 million copies worldwide. where are the real RPG fans? ...

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:56:16 AM
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hey sorry to be off topic, but ben, do you think you could do a article on Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm, from TGS whenever you get some info? it's be greaty appreciated =)

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Branko2166
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:00:56 AM
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If only Sony had purchased Squaresoft when they had the chance. Oh well.
I still have great hopes in the ps3 and its JRPG's but very little in SquareEnix.

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ps92117
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:05:06 AM
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totaly agree i have to let this out enix you screwd up and you continue to do it again and again i am and my fellow fans are getting tired of your bull dodoo have you forgotten how you came to be who you are THNXS alot ff13 no longer on my list i some times wish that enix and soft were to different companys

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PhaQ
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:11:25 AM
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I couldn't agree more, it's freaking ridiculous, even after everything we've been through! Now, I own a 360 too, and FFXIII going multi-plat didn't phase me a bit, it's the game that matters to me. Well, maybe I should say it used to matter to me, because right now all the excitement is gone and I'm not sure if I still even care. Square, seriously...

PhaQ

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Gabriel013
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:20:58 AM
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The problem is this will bring in more money from 360 owners but despite the complaints, PS3 owners won't vote with their cash. They still get the money out of us when those for whom it is a serious issue should just not buy the next run of Square releases.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:30:35 AM
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again off topic, but it appears the codes for the R2 open beta are being sent out, my friend registered his code from gamestop and they now's he got his premier code soo beta not too far off =)

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Murdi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:35:11 AM
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I lol'd reading this article and seeing the "Fable II only on Xbox 360" advertising.. xD

Now.. You know, maybe Square-Enix think that they made Sony's consoles be what they are, while Sony take the role of "so.. S-E, which game you are going to gave us now? 'cause you need us to succeed" and I say this because Sony just do ANYTHING about this situation, like if they were saying "pff.. we don't need them" and, on the other hand, we have the treatment of Microsoft to S-E; I mean, they (M$) treat S-E like a queen, like if S-E were the most amazing game company in history. M$ gave them full suitcases of money, and all.. And S-E obviously like that treatment.

I think that the problem here is that both companys (Sony and S-E) think that they are the best of the best, and neither side want to get off of his cloud and accept that they now have more competition and are not the kings that they were. But hey, that's just my opinion =).

P.S. Greetings to pavlovic (yeah, the one of LevelUp) ;)

Murder Inc. =O


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pavlovic
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:30:52 AM

Greetings back to you my friend. Nice to have you here. At least now here are two Mexicans.

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Deleted User
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:41:25 AM
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remember what u said about "business sense"? hehehe

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Jed
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:56:43 AM
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Up a little late tonight , ya Ben? There really is no reason for them to be dissing the ps3. Square enix would not be what they are today if it werent for the Playstation consoles. I understand that microsoft is going to wright them a massive check to get in their favor, but after all we have done for them, it is downright insulting to be treated like this. If they dont shape up they are going to lose many of their greatest fans.

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Geobaldi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:00:57 AM
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I'm not real thrilled with the decision making over there right now either, but I see no reason to throw up our arms and walk away from them. Sure Microsoft may be getting the goods now, but the PS3 is still a really young system and I'm sure S-E will start rolling out more titles for Sonys' system at some point. Hopefully sooner than later.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:27:43 AM

thats not the point man. S-E screwed us and continue to screw us. i dont feel like sitting here getting pissed on until they finally pull their heads out of their butts and start to give us respect. so throwing my arms up and walking away sounds better than being pissed on. they need to start observing EA. at least EA is trying to right their wrong and for that i give them props but square continues to piss on us. square aint the only company that can make a great rpg. sorry for the slightly harsh language.

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Geobaldi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 4:40:53 AM

I felt the same way when Tecmo starting releasing the Dead or Alive series on Xbox. I wasn't happy then and I'm still not happy lol. But if I simply gave up on them, like people are saying they're doing with S-E, then I would've missing out on the lovely little gem of a series called Fatal Frame. Point being, every company has their own business strategy that they follow, whether it is right or wrong isn't for us to say. If it were, we'd be working for them lol. People will come back to them again once they start bringing things over to Sony again. It always works that way. Look at EA. It wasn't long ago that everybody was jumping off their ship too and badmouthing them about everything. Now everybody seems to be climbing back on board their bandwagon again like they forgot why they were mad at them in the first place. They still have a long way to go to get back on my good side. Though the NHL games are helping a lot lol.

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Geobaldi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:05:32 AM
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Off topic now. The thing that has me really fired up right now is how come the PS3 isn't getting the survival edition of Fallout 3? The PC, 360 and PS3 are all getting the normal and special editions, but only the PC and 360 get the survival editions. What's up with that? Normally it wouldn't bother me that much, but my PC doesn't meet the minimum requirements for the PC version so I'm forced to get the PS3 version. Sorry for this post but after seeing that I just had to vent somewhere lol.

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Murdi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:28:47 AM

Are you kidding me?

Breaking news!! Valve hate the PS3, and that's a fact =(

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Geobaldi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 4:23:14 AM

That may be but Valve isn't making this game. Bethesda is. The same company that made Elder Scrolls Oblivion.

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cheng
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:51:18 AM
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off topic: tekken 6 is going to 360 as well..."better leave b4 i explode"

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DIsmael85
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 3:18:30 AM
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Wow Ben, you couldn't have nailed that any better. I could not agree more with what you said. I have stated over and over to my friends that this is some crap and it very blatant that MS is handing over some hefty checks to secure some exclusive titles for the holidays. Either they know that after Christmas they will begin to see their console sink, or they are becoming a rampaging clone of EA. Even though it shouldn't be to surprising considering MS's history is a bad one anyway.

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wldcrd26
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 3:43:34 AM
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Is it so hard to face. That not all game companys like making games for the ps3 some dont like the 360 or the wii yes money has alot to do with it but without money we dont play games plus they are trying to capture a new market more gamers means more money mo money means more games and thats all i want

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MetalHead09
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:05:01 AM
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well if they want money they had better stop screwing the people that have followed them all these years. its like their saying 'we dont need you anymore' and its total crap. i am lookin forward to final fantasy 13 just like everybody else but the respect leven has gone down some since all this started.

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Murdi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:06:03 AM
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Really? Sorry Geobaldi, I thought it was Valve..

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Skillz
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:17:07 AM
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off topic : wtf Tekken 6 is really coming to the 360, I thought cheng was lying

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:07:43 PM

AND! wtf is wrong?

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orangpelupa
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:23:31 AM
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FF13 goes multi is great.

but holding the PS3 release is ridiculus.

all multiplatform games always released on the platform it finish first.

Call of duty 4 released on PC first then ps3 and x360.
Mass Effect released on xbox 360 first then PC.
oblivion relesed on pc first then ps3 and x360.

but why FF13 ps3 need to wait FF13 x360 to be released?
this decission really really annoy all ps3 owners.

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Starkiller
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:38:50 AM
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Exspect stuff like this to happen with third party titles and have faith in Sony they know what they are doing...........

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 7:07:38 AM
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"Perhaps it's just a business thing"........True dat,most here rantin woulda done the same thang if they were in business.


"Okay...to maximize profit potential, you release on multiple consoles. That's kinda logical. You know, unless someone gives you a large chunk of change to screw over loyal fans. I really don't see any reason why something like Star Ocean 4 can't come to the PS3; I really, really don't.".................Yeah,i also don't see why,am sure MS paid dat large chunk of change,i don't blame them they businessmen simply at work and proving they efficiency.

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 7:27:17 AM
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wow. f**k SE.. microsoft probably paid em a hefty amount of cash :D. but idc, ill still buy fxIII i can wait, these games coming out this october can entertain me for a year :D. LoL. but yea. SE pisses me off :D

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TEG3SH
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 8:05:52 AM
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Ok i confess i did it, i pissed off S-E. :((dropping tears now)

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 8:11:18 AM

At least u confessed,hope S-E forgives u.

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aqwabawks
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 8:39:21 AM
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I'm not sure if anyone brought this up but Infinite Undiscovery's IP is owned by Microsoft. I recall reading that it was joint development with Tri Ace until Tri Ace went to Square-Enix to publish it.

What I don't get is that SCEA bought about 9-10% of Square-Enix shares (3rd or 4th largest shareholder) when The Spirits Within nearly ruined them yet they release software for a competitor. It's just a little disappointing... I don't really want to shell out $300 for a console that has 2, maybe 3 games I want (Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia).

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:11:49 AM

@aqwabawks,i hear u but just one question n in all honesty, Did u or do u have a ps2?

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aqwabawks
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:30:36 AM

@Ghana Bwai: I still have my PS2 sitting in my room, heck my PS1 is lying around somewhere as well.

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:34:16 AM

...Okay n u don't have a ps3?

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aqwabawks
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:39:31 AM

I do have a PS3 (along with my afore mentioned PS1, PS2 and Dreamcast, PSP, DS and a SNES somewhere in the house).

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:50:53 AM

I don't really want to shell out $300 for a console that has 2, maybe 3 games I want (Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia).........U are referrin to 360 rite? i thought ps3,like i woulda said u waz one of those who betrayed ps3 hence resultin in S-E betrayin us since 360 now has a larger market

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aqwabawks
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:07:11 AM

Oh... I meant getting a 360 for 2-3 games only.

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Orvisman
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:10:11 AM

@Ghana

He means the 360!

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BlinkBoy
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:08:21 AM
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The thing is Microsoft don't own so many creativity game development teams like Sony does under their World Wide Studios umbrella.

So they have to go out and buy from other big independent development teams and beg for content for their machinery. If they didn't use their strength, which in this case is money.

In this financial crisis it is very easy to get tempted with when money is brought to the table or under the table, "cash is king" and all that...

But I don't care where S-E gets money from just that FFXIII and future titles will deliver the goods. For me it as a gamer, I don't want to be left out on the good titles just because I choose the other console. I am not and never was interested in Xbox 360, I am happy to hear that they get to play FFXIII because that title deserve the biggest userbase you can get.

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LegioN
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 9:50:01 AM

It's true, Microsoft spend money to make money in a very different way to other consoles.

It is probably easier to buy exclusives or "timed" exclusives than it is to create something off thier own back or find the talent to do it. For Microsoft anyways.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this game performs under the Xbox Fanbase compared to the Sony one. Who knows, maybe it was the right decision? Although i highly highly doubt it.. Time will be the teller of this story..

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:10:20 AM
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Meh i doubt xbox fans will appreciate it, look what happened to MGS2: Substence when it went on the Xbox, completely ignored! the PS2 version is very rare now. I hope S-E dont leave the PS3 completely. Star Ocean 4 i can get over though i did enjoy SO3, put if Final Fantasy turned to an xbox exclusive, it would be devestating!

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:16:52 PM

you don't have to worry about that. The game will be finished on PS3 before it is started for 360. It's just being delayed after that.

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Orvisman
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:11:25 AM
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@ Ben,

You know Ben, you've echoed many of the same sentiments I made in a few of my recent posts. Kudos!

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Fabi
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:23:58 AM
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I really wish some of you guys with the longer comments would use paragraphs.

I can accept everything, but like everyone else said, why make loyal FF fans all over the world wait longer to play FF13 just because it hasn't been finished on the X-Box? It doesn't make sense.

Squenix should just admit they have a contract with MS, and that was part of the deal.

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m2tbo
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:33:31 AM
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I really don't like conspiracy theories but this one is too fishy to let slide. Square-Enix starts producing exclusive X-Box 360 titles to build an RPG fanbase on the console. Then delays FFXIII in the US to create a simultaneous release on multiple consoles. There has to be a reason for it.

What happened Square-Enix, you've changed man. You've gotten too big and are taking advantage of the gamers that loved you.

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pavlovic
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:37:24 AM
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The thing that I hate the most regarding to multi platform games is that, due MS restrictions, developers have to create 9GB games to fit into a DVD.

And SE, is clear that they are a bussiness and they love the money. And MS love to write checks down.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:17:45 AM

Amen. I keep stressing this to people about those size restrictions. They say nah it doesnt matter. You know what it does matter. Which is why Gears of War 2 sucks and why the first one sucked and was short as hell. You send me a shot of Gears 2 and tell me how many flat ass textures you find in it. 9GB's is not enough anymore, and this is the reason why they are alienating the gaming market. They think they know whats best for consumers while stealing and buying up games and crap. It's sickening. I refuse to buy any of their crap because it's unreliable. I work at Gamestop and see more used Xbox 360 consoles sitting in the back room than any other console. They break down, I hear about 12 times a week, that someone's Xbox broke. I tell'em should have gotten a PS3, I dont feel sorry for you. People keep straying from the fact that MS is using their deep pockets and acting like it's ok. It is not ok, you are killing competition, you are not creating competition. You are pissing millions of gamers off. For their to be multiplat games is hurting the competition. Some of you who disagree must be blind. You may have forgotten your roots as a gamer, or you are just do damn young to even know. I've officially had enough of this. It's ridiculous.

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LegioN
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:06:29 AM
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@ Fabi,

That last sentence basically sums it all up.

They put all kind of things in the contract and because of the amount of numbers Microsoft are throwing at them they will sign it no matter what.

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Joe_III
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:17:17 AM
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I'm probably going to catch some flack for saying this, but the fact of the matter is that Microsoft has Sony beat this gen.

Every big innovation has come from M$ or Nintendo.

Sony's one good bet was the Blu-Ray player, but aside from that, nothing else is really going for them, and hasn't since the start.

Bluetooth controllers? fail. You can't add the PS3 to your universal remote.
Sixaxis over rumblepacks? fail. sixaxis was teh ghey.
PSN Store? fail. A poorly designed XBL knockoff.
Trophies? fail. Sad implementation of Achievements.
Cell processor? fail. really hard to code for. M$ is using a dumbed down version of DX10.
Allowing mandatory software installs? epic fail there. M$ is only starting to allow optional installs and that's only because the market asked for it.

The most damning thing tho is the number of titles, and that's even before we got into 08.
Microsoft got out a year earlier, and have been able to keep the lead because of 2 key factors: install base and achievements.
Achievements was a BIG factor in cross platform games.

What Sony needed to do early on was to lock up some big titles, get them out quick, and quit effing around with their console. They've gone thru more SKUs for the PS3 alone than they have the PS2 by now.

But the main thing -- and i haven't seen ANY change on this yet -- is that Sony's corporate logo is "F what you want, we're Sony."

M$ has been all about the gamer. It's cost them a bit -- especially with the whole RROD incidents -- but the core is still with them.

this is why I've gone through 3 360's and 60 games one one side, and still have my ps3 but only like 4 games for it.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:27:51 AM

You are right and wrong on some of your points. Blu-ray is still a better choice. Not only for storage but ideal for games and space. When devs get over the "it's hard to code for crap" then you'll start to see some good things. IW proved this with CoD4.
PSN is free, and for free, it's way better than Xbox live. Some of you may disagree, but you cannot argue with something that is "FREE".
I never cared for the Trophies system, it's a nice added addition, some people wanted it. It's there, so I use it.
Your MS dumbed down thing is correct. Which is why games will never look any better than what the Xbox can do. Gears 2 is ugly, and shiny as a new penny. It's nasty to look at. Quit with the bloom effect it sucks to look at.
I will agree with the mandatory installs, that does suck, but man for games like Oblivion and such, I was able to enjoy those faster loading times and appreciate the games so much more on the PS3.
The Sixaxis was a good concept, I still don't care for it as much, but hey it's good they brought rumble back, it's got the nostalgia feel from the good ol' days.
Bluetooth controls is wonderful. I never have to run out to buy extra batteries or those crappy waste of money charger stations. I save a lot more money that way. To be honest, those are just useless gadgets made to help Retail stores maximize profit, they are selling tools. Just thought I should shed some light on you there.
I currently own over 30 PS3 games, and I enjoy them all. Most Multiplats, but some exclusive. I dont understand this over used statement of the PS3 having no games. Just because it doesnt have Gears 2, and Overrated Halo 3 on it, does not mean it doesnt have games. The only 2 games not coming out that are huge on the 360 are Gears 2 and Fable 2. PS3 has the games in the bag this year, with way more "EXCLUSIVES" not timed or anything.
You may have gone through 3 Xbox's, but I have gone through no PS3's and I have a 60GB, and have been enjoying it ever since.

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pavlovic
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:38:46 AM

fanboy anyone? lol

"M$ is only starting to allow optional installs and that's only because the market asked for it."
Really? I always tought that it was because not all the 360 versions had a HDD

"Cell processor? fail. really hard to code for." Konami, Naughty Dog and Insomniac wouldn't agree with this.

"PSN Store? fail. A poorly designed XBL knockoff." The redesigned PSN Store is actually easier than the marketplace.

"this is why I've gone through 3 360's and 60 games one one side, and still have my ps3 but only like 4 games for it." Wow, you are proud because you have gone trough 3 xbox's. I wonder what was the reason and some red lights come to my mind.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 360, but the DVD capabilities are holding down a lot of games... GTAIV anyone?

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Orvisman
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:48:31 AM

@Pavlovic

Ya think. He just registered today to post his comment. Flamer!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 12:48:42 PM

Joe, you're not helping my view of 360 fans...are they ALL this biased and ill-informed?

First of all, I haven't seen a single "big innovation" from Microsoft this generation. One can argue the Wii as an innovation, but that gimmick WILL lag if the software isn't there...and it's not. As for innovation, MGS4 is the closest I've seen this generation, and that's a PS3 exclusive. Did you even play it?

You're living in 2006, and that's a bad idea. The PlayStation Store has LONG since improved and as far as I'm concerned, is most certainly on par with the Live Marketplace at this point. No industry analyst will call the Network, Trophies, Blu-Ray controllers, or the Cell processor a "fail." That's just inane.

Furthermore, for number of titles, the PS3 and 360 have an almost identical number of titles scheduled for 2008...like I said, stop living in 2006. And you may not have noticed, but besides Gears 2, the 360 has NOTHING that can compete with the PS3's exclusives this year in MGS4, LBP, and Resistance 2. That's a fairly big deal.

Lastly, here's how MS is "all about the gamer:" produce a sh**-ass piece of hardware that fails 25-30% of the time - an absolute catastrophe in any product in any industry - pretend it doesn't mean anything, force consumers to buy about a hundred 360s every year to make up for Microsoft's FAILING, and then refuse to offer any hot exclusives. The PS3? A 1% sold:defective return ratio since the launch. MS "all about the gamer" by incessantly charging for online access, as opposed to the FREE Network which has proven to be MORE reliable than Live (well-documented Live failures in the past year)?


Between MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, and already-established great exclusives in Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, etc, and future titles like God of War 3, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, the Uncharted sequel, and more...I'm sorry, what am I missing on the 360 that's going to compete within the next 6-12 months? Fable II? Pretty sure Too Human flopped like mad.

And by the way, having the ONLY console that can play high-definition movies AND high-definition games is kinda crucial. Standard DVDs aren't capable of true HD (I don't care about lame upscaling), and HD-DVD is dead. If you think that's not an issue for both filmmakers and developers, you're out of your mind. Lastly, given the fact the 360 has been outsold by the PS3 for many months already in 2008 - something the 360 fanboys said would never happen - and given the holiday momentum of the PS3, all agreed upon by analysts, I FAIL to see how the PS3 is a FAIL.

Get me?

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:10:32 PM

yeah, you tell em' ben! ^_^

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www
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:17:49 PM

@Ben glad u put him in his place BUT

I sometimes think these comments comin from the not-regular psxextreme member names i see every now and then are comin from somebody you do see postin comments everytime who logs in with a different "USERNAME" and bashes ps3 and later logs on with his original name and pretends to support ps3,u do realise most of the time they have no avatars n there names aint heard b4.

I don't think u should waste ur time respondin to these PRANKSTERS!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:40:08 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Achievements system just a rip-off of the ORIGINAL PS2 Trophies, I remember seeing them on Star Ocean 3. Now do you see? They grab someone else's idea and slap their logo on it.

Also, any online gaming network could be called a LIVE imitation, but that doesn't make it so.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 3:33:30 PM

Ya ghana, that is a huge problem on other sites but you can trust me that so far I haven't seen anything to suggest this particular user has multiple screen names. He's just your average ignorant moron on the internet.

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LightShow
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 5:49:37 PM

@ World

I'm not sure that trophies were possible, at least in their current form, on the PS2. It had no HDD. The only way you could view your trophies would be to go ingame or access the Mem Card Data.

It seems more likely this was a thing just for SO3, like skill points in the Ratchet games. The name similarity is prob just a coincidence.

note, i dont know for sure any of this, i just happen to have amazing hunches. no flames if i happen to be erroneous ^_^

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missdelirium
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 8:06:09 AM

you say you don't trash talk other systems, yet... that's exactly what you did... sigh, fanboy.

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AntDC
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:34:42 AM
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Great article. I can't even be bothered writing a comment about Square-Enix. If gaming is truly going to become more westernized, I'm seriously thinking about weather or not I'm going to be buying whatever the next generation console will be.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:28:46 PM
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Ghana: I'm well aware. Don't worry; the fanboys get tossed immediately if they cause problems.

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Bardock617
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:33:35 PM
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its more of whose going to pay more. SE likes how MS throws their money around. but like Ace said, im sticking with Level 5.

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LegioN
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 1:50:40 PM
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On a side note, what is the record for most comments on an article? Cos wow guys.. lol

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 3:53:58 PM

Like 130 or something. The FFXIII going to 360 article during E3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:01:22 PM
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Wow Ben, big response, and I'm loathe to find this discussion elsewhere without typical nonsense injected every which way but loose. Perhaps I can add something: To the critics: M$ causes severe damage to every industry it touches. The problem with being in their pocket is that now SE has no other choice but to jump through hoops for M$, which means rushing out games, dumbing down games for the DVD format, and generally putting the kabash on creativity so that simpler 360 gamers with no LIVE and no hard drive can still play. In my book that drags a game down, and you are fooling yourself if you think FFXIII isn't going to suffer from this port. And I mean the final polishing on PS3 will suffer too because if they already don't care about us, then why make our version as great as it could be when they only want to pander to 360 owners. I'm trying not to bash 360 lovers the best I can, but my feelings for M$ remain, and it is NOT in the best interest of ANY gamer to have a sub-par-product-pusher monopolize the industry. I can't believe I'm saying this, but im almost glad Wii sits on top, at least M$ was deprived of that.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:16:17 PM
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One more thing: why isn't anyone calling them on this? Where are the journalists to ask them in interviews "Why have you abandoned the fanbase that made you a hit?"

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Riku994
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 2:30:48 PM
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Good point WEWM, I'm surprised that hasn't happened... How much does anyone wanna bet that Microsoft bought our FFV13 too? or maybe even a share in KH3... That'd grind my gears man, M$ is seriously starting to piss me off. The only reason fanboys can rub it in our faces, is because Microsoft can throw money around like stones. money is the ONLY reason M$ fans can gloat to us, Sony isn't into bribing anyone. So what do i say to M$? If you win this generation, congratu-f***ing-lations, you big company of money loving cheaters, you really don't deserve it.

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Minishmaru
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 6:01:53 PM
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Cuz they're money hungry assholes!!! Lol, its the truth. I mean I love my 360 in different ways but I still love both systems pretty equally I think.

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LightShow
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 6:03:00 PM
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@ everybody about 4 posts up

Microsoft is VERY good at making money. it also seems to be aloof as to the industries it changes while doing it.

Main Point: Gamer's are emotionally attached to series, Studios, and hardware manufacturers. It's all business to Microsoft. Gamers game because it's fun. That's why its ok to get emotionally attached (to a degree). Microsoft wants money. They don't have that luxury (or obligation, depending on how you see it). That's why they make decisions that seem stupid or unfair to us.

problem is, they aren't so compatible with gamers. They dominate business PCs because they're both about Money. They've failed to dominate Gaming because purists tend to despise those who are all about money.

Videogames have just as many rabid purists as the fine arts, and while both need money to exist, it's definitely not their goal in life to get rich.

I forsee a stalemate, leading to a slow withdrawal of MS. they dont like to be in markets they cant dominate.

oh and sorry if my train of thought isn't very cohesive. i often confuse myself ^_^

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AceTatsujin
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 7:24:30 PM
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I hope PS3 kills the 360 next year once and for all. I can't wait to see all those games come out and critically raise the PS3 sales and crush the 360 and step over its head. I want that to happen at least 2 years before the release of any next generation consoles. I sound like an ass, but who wouldn't agree? My gun is not pointed at the 360 and honestly, the 360 could have been made a BETTER SYSTEM if it was developed by any other freaking company ... I point my gun at MS for screwing up many many things this generation. Hope they lose alot of money too and effing run out of gaming business. Stick with Windows, MS ... that's all you are good at.

My friend sold his PS3 (80 GB) cu'z he wanted the 60 GB, he said he'll wait a bit more till all the good games come out which is this holiday or beginning of next year and he'll grab a 60 GB (it is still around, Internet is your best friend). He went with the Elite 360 which is a pretty good choice, and he wanted to actually play Gears 2 which should be a good game on the 360. But he knows by 2009 or 2010 360 is gonna get owned by the PS3. And FYI, he works at GameStop and he meets some corporate people and what not. I wouldn't press my words on these as much, but the future is nearing sooner then we all think. October will be the month to change things towards the PS3 ...

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orangpelupa
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 10:27:29 PM
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ace, i dont know you or other people but,
what i like from PS3 is only Disgaea3, MGS4 and the upcoming LBP.

if PS3 have many JRPG, more people will like it IMO.
look at the japanese market when x360 got IDOLM@STER (and IM@S L4U), ToV, and IU. x360 sales goes up.

its the games that make console win.
its the games that make people buy console.

i buy ps1 and ps2 because the rpgs
i buy x360 because the RPGs and Ace combat :)
i play PS3 on my friend because he have MGS4 >_<

if, PS3 got more exclussive JRPG. more will buy them. especially the japan and south east asia market.

Asia was a PS fan. now, there more x360 owners here (atlease in my town :p ). its cheaper, and have more JRPGs, ace combat also a good game.
its also have good games like IDOLM@STER L4U, CLANNAD (yes, its in allcaps).


but yes, x360 is a fragile and very noisy.
even with the falcon revision, x360 still like a ticking time bomb. we dont know when we will get RROD.



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Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:00:48 PM
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actually ben if u get the rrod they dont charge u for a new 360 they replace it for free. youve been well mis-informed my friend

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DIsmael85
Thursday, October 09, 2008 @ 11:53:37 PM

I don't believe he said they charge you, but MS sure did put up a lot of money expecting those consoles to fail. Even though they keep making them, they still haven't fixed the problems. I have people still to this day buying 360's and bringing them back broken. After 3 years, you think they'd have fixed the problem by now.

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Joe_III
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 1:43:55 AM
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Ben,
The fact that the 360 is doing better and will most likely still continue to do so does not make me a fan of it. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 things Sony has taken from Microsoft and implemented -- and poorly at that: Marketplace, keyboard controller attachment, and Achievements.

Yes, the PS store is much better than it was, but there are still small things that make me prefer XBL to PSStore. Namely, it is easier to go through categories by going from button to button than using a joystick to control a mouse. Also, XBL doesn't charge for online connectivity, just multiplayer -- a model I expect to see go away soon. But compared to the nightmare that was the PS2 connectivity (or the drunken lunatic system nintendo currently uses called Friend Codes), XBL was a great choice.

I love the blu-ray player, as that is my only reason for not having traded it in (aside from MGS4). Calling Trophies a plus for the PS3. Bluetooth controllers is a huge pain in the ass, especially at my house because my phone's headset keeps syncing to my PS3 without my prompt.

Cell not harder to develop with?
http://gamer.blorge.com/2007/10/27/ex-guitar-hero-programmer-ps3-harder-to-develop-for-than-xbox-360/
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/17/graw-developer-ps3-not-harder-to-code-for-than-360/2

Granted, Now that developers are getting experience on the console things are getting better, but up until now it hasn't been all that great.

Yeah M$ mad a s*** console that breaks every couple of months. But then again, they've also pumped in something like 1.7 billion to mke up for it. They extended warranties out to 3 years and covered shipping costs to boot. What's Sony's hardwre policy? Using non-Sony /AV CABLES/ voids your warranty. Also, Sony had a huge problem with HDMI connectivity when it first launched. That was software, not hardware, so it was easily patched.

MGS4 is a great game, as was Resistance, Uncharted, and Warhawk. Killzone2 and GT5 (it's not out yet? gasp another delayed game!) I'm excited about. Hell I even enjoyed Dark Kingdom. Never been a God of War fan, and Heavenly Kingdom's controls were so broken I thought I was playing RE3.

However, Sony has also made some d*** moves. Changing SKUs and features every couple of months so buying a PS3 is like hitting the lotto is the only one that comes to my mind right now.

The PS3 has a lot of great points to it too, and I could go on for a while singing its praises, but everyone else here already does that.
It syncs to my PC faster and easier than my 360 does. I get High Def movies. I get to play any media on any kind of storage in my house through it. I could play my old PS2 games on it if I ever wanted to sell that console. I have been a solid PS player since '96. I always have, do and will love the Playstation.

All I'm saying is that compared to the 360 however, it could have done better, SO FAR.

The head of Sony even came out initially and said that the PS3 was not just another console, but a component for a home theater, and it fills that role perfectly. I get to play some games I have interest in, run all the music and videos on all the computers in my house thru it, and get excellent high def movies to watch to boot.

But it's easier to play games with friends since I've had their XBL gamer tag for 5 years now. I pick games so that I can edge out my friends by having 400 more gamerpoints that I've worked on for 2 years (or is it 3) now. If Sony had Trophies from Day 1 I probably could have made the switch on multiplat games to that console, because I would only have a year to catch up on.

I've never seen Sony developers at a single launch party for any game. No Sony employee found time to chat with me for 5 minutes at E306 even tho I wasn't anyone or from anywhere important. I haven't seen insomniac devs passing out exlusive DLC or shout outs for people who help keep communities growing.

Yeah Gears has a different look to it, and its one that's not pleasing to every eye. But that, Halo Wars, and Halo 3 Recon is really all M$ would probably need to have excusive this year to keep up with sales on Sony exclusives.

Oh, and the 360 Controller is more comfortable.

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orangpelupa
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 3:16:11 AM
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yes,
xbox 360 RROD you will get free refurbished xbox 360.

but its only for RROD, if you get any other error, you need to pay ranging from 50USD to 150USD

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illegalprelude
Friday, October 10, 2008 @ 2:25:26 PM
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I wish there was a way we could get Square to read this comment because ive owned almost every single game from them on the PS and PS2 and like you said, if it said Square on it, it was quality.

Were in year 2, almost 3 of the PS3 and not a single Square game....wtf is going on? And why are they ditching all of their loyal fans. Id love for them to read this and give a answer

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YordaMX
Saturday, October 11, 2008 @ 3:33:22 PM
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yep time to change to Level 5. bye bye square. u wont get my money for leting me wait longer.

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