Editorial: Gamers Replace Boasting With Hostility
This may be another one of those "it's just me" scenarios, so I'm wondering if others have noticed a disturbing - and relatively new - trend in the video game world.
Look, there have always been fanboys. Back in the day, when consoles were more expensive than they are now (taking inflation into account), and our parents were reluctant to buy more than one platform, we had to choose between the Colecovision and Intellivision or the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis. Rarely did I know anyone in school who had more than one system, which is what initially bred the very first generation of fanboys. Now, as everyone here well knows, I despise the word and I despise the type of person who assumes such a label; they're bad for the industry in general, and I typically want to jam a shrimp fork in their eye. Refusing to play certain games due to brand-name loyalty has got to the most irrational and idiotic sentiment in the entertainment world today. However, back then, it was kinda like, "yeah, I have the SNES and it's better than your Genesis." Then the two would argue as kids tend to do.
The problem is, those kids have grown up (well, that's debatable), and they're still arguing...except the difference is that instead of the aforementioned statement, it's "the Genesis sucks." It's about bashing, not boasting. It's about attacking. It's about hostility. It's about "you're an idiot because you bought that," not "I'm awesome because I have this." Some may not see the obvious distinction, but I sure as hell do. The bottom line is that I remember a lot of loyalists and debate in the old days, but I don't recall so much in the way of nastiness or ugliness, which seems to infest every message board on earth (except ours, of course ;)). Why is it now hip to hate? All the crap floating around about system wars and all that is not only ignorant - it has always been ignorant - but now it's so disgusting, no normal human can handle it for more than ten consecutive seconds. It just seems to me that these people are so unhappy; it's as if they're secretly pissed that they voluntarily restrict themselves, and they need to take it out on someone.
Rather than explaining just how great Gears of War 2 is, Xbox 360 fans only want to bash the PS3. Rather than talking about great MGS4 is, PS3 fans only want to bash the 360. Why? Perhaps it's a reflection of the times; perhaps everyone really is more unhappy than they were 20 years ago, and maybe the Internet simply breeds and even cultivates hostile behavior. But while I'm quite certain we'll never get rid of the fanboys, I would much rather have the kind who love to boast rather than the kind who toss sh** at the opposition. Even here, where we attentively regulate the Comments - thereby creating an intelligent, informed community that typically debates and doesn't feature flame wars - those who sign up just to cause problems only use hate as their weapon of choice. No Xbox 360 fan has ever signed up to post something like, "LAMLAMLAM; the 360 has Gears 2, way better online, and at least it's affordable!" No, they sign up to post, "LAMLAMLAM, PS3 sales suck and nobody cares about Blu-Ray!" Both individuals will get the insta-ban treatment, of course, but one I despise far more than the other.
And sadly, all I see is the same type. The haters. What is causing this horrid streak of unbelievably rude behavior? I'd like to believe the theory I mentioned before; that the fanboys are starting to realize just how mocked and derided their lot is, and just how much they're missing by limiting themselves. You can't experience everything great this industry has to offer if you're a fanboy; plain and simple, and maybe they're starting to recognize this. Maybe they can't do anything about it, so they take their frustration out on others. Who knows? All I know is that I miss the days when taking pride in your choice vastly superseded bashing on another's. That's all. 'shrugs'
12/12/2008 Ben Dutka
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:33 PM
Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:06:10 AM
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:17:46 AM
kreate
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:47:28 PM
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i never bash xbox360 games though.
But at least i gave xbox360 a fair try b4 going around bashing it.
xbox lovers generally don't have a ps3 but they choose to bash it anyways.
I'm a fanboy of video games in general. I am a little bias against the wii though.
i own all game consoles except for the sega dreamcast. i lost my original nintendo and sega genesis. but i got SNES, Sega Saturn,ps1,ps2,ps3, original xbox, N64, and gamecube. i sold my DS but i still have my psp.
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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:23:22 PM
Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:41:46 PM
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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:49:34 PM
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Honestly tho ill be fair. I give respect where its needed. Plus I know the 360 isn't perfect. They all have there ups and downs.
I cant tell you how many times im attacked for owning a 360. Some people will be like "loser! you couldn't afford a PS3!"(even tho my Elite is the same price..)"your gonna get RROD because it sucks!"(I haven't..Knock on wood=p)
I see what you mean. Its always been us against you. Never a mutual understanding. I guess thats why I joined being so hostile.
Bugzbunny109
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:20:41 AM
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Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:43:27 AM
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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:58:19 PM
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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:54:40 AM
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somethingrandom
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:01:45 PM
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Can't we all be friends on the basis that we LOVE games?
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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:06:42 PM
Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:07:17 AM
Wage SLAVES
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kreate
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:36:44 AM
Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:09:45 AM
I think the next 3 heavy hitters will tip the scales... Killzone 2, God Of War III and Heavy Rain... bring em on!
Q!
"i aM hOMe"
- Ops, that reminds me, I need to order my PSP now... I have to use up Emirate miles I have stored up... hehe, getting a free PSP for Christmas... thanks Emirates!
Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:36:53 PM
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QuasarSquirrel
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:08:34 AM
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I think the internet has just made it easier to feel like you're in an "in group" combining with the Greater Internet F**kwad Theory.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:57:42 AM
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Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:23:40 AM
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I like to think of myself as one who just loves video games. People with enough spare energy to engage in flame wars over which system you choose OBVIOUSLY need to redirect their energies into something more constructive, like furniture building, perhaps.
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Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:52:04 AM
Fane1024
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:22:00 AM
You support them with your wallet. That's all that's needed, not a "soccer hooligan" mentality.
Also, from previous comments, you seem to have become "die hard" overnight, just because you happened to have chosen to get a 360. They call that "bandwagon jumping".
Finally, your comments would have more weight if your grammar and spelling were better.
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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:09:17 AM
You make think it was "overnight" but it wasn't. I played nothing but Sony for YEARS. Then one day at the mall I seen a used Xbox for $60. Im like what the hell and bought it. Lil did I know it was VASTLY superior to my PS2. MS has the games this generation that I like. From Halo to GTA.
Make w/e claims you want. But iv played em all and I know what im talking about.
Wage SLAVES
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:14:28 AM
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:02:34 AM
And u should've known the original XBOX was better than the PS2. The hardware was more powerful, but the software was lacking. That's why started saying buy an xbox if u like shooters and sports games. PS2 had the better library though.
oh yea, and GO COWBOYS!
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DickyDick1969
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:48:45 AM
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And looking to all their past "victories" on OS, Browsers, Office software,etc it frightens me have them rule the scepter in game land.
Joe_III
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:33:19 AM
BigT_1980
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 2:03:45 AM
Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:12:32 AM
Fane1024
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:13:41 AM
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Likewise, I don't apply my well-earned bias against Microsoft toward every game released on the Xbox or 360. To say that Gears or Fable suck because they're Xbox exclusives is stupid. If those games were on the PS3, I'd eat them up.
I AM tired of the way games like Halo 3 seem to be scored higher than, say, Uncharted because of the hype and "teh bias", despite reviews which describe a less-than-superb game.
I'm even more tired of how Sony seems to get criticized for every misstep while Microsoft and Nintendo seem to get a pass. I mean, "DelayStation"; compared to Nintendo, Sony has produced things in a much more timely fashion (except Home). And at the height of the RRoD, game sites kept recommending that people should choose the 360 over the PS3. THEY DON'T WORK. What does Microsoft have to do to suffer some consequences? Start killing babies? Games or no games, no one should reward a company for consciously producing broken products. /rant
I'm proud that I had the patience to wait for the superior product. On paper, the 360 is a fine product; in reality, it's a dud.
Correction: I never would have bought it anyway, but my point holds.
I don't think all 360 owners are Xbots or idiots, but I do believe they made the wrong choice.
I would have bought a Wii by now (planned to), but am off-put by the fad aspect. I've detailed other reasons elsewhere on the site.
I just wish the ACTUAL Xbots would stick to "their" sites (like Xbox Nerds) and stop trolling. What they get from it confounds me. It's why I originally came here (PS-only site) about four years ago and go to similar places, to get PlayStation-only news and discussion, without the stuff I don't need.
And as I stated at the top, it infuriates me equally when PS Fanboys (not the website) hurl back insults. It's not interesting to read; it's not productive; it doesn't mean you won the fight.
Can't we all just get along?
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WorldEndsWithMe
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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:03:27 AM
OU812
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 2:36:34 AM
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It seems we all want to simply win at everything at all cost to the point of obsessive behaviour. One of the reasons I stopped online gaming; xcept with close friends.
With the fast growth of the net and accelerating advanced gaming technologies coupled with constant unrest around the glode will only fuel more xtreme negetive behaviours. It doesnt help that our favorite brands are constantly at each others throats.
I will always be gaming till the day I die. All we freakin need to do is chill, smoke some, sit back and enjoy some GTA and Fallout; yeeaaaah!!!!!
Peace
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:56:01 AM
They never have any fun playing games. At least, it seems that way to me...for us, I think we didn't get all hostile because we DID have fun. If the other person was having fun, who cares which platform they did it with?
crump602
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:04:26 AM
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In this point in time is where all the bad tension came from!
N a S a H
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:21:25 AM
"360 & Wii SUCKS KOCK"
I love Sony, I've had every console they released AND I have a 360.
DO you own a 360? No you don't and don't bullsh** us with your stories of how it RROD'd and MS wouldn't refund you. That's the oldest lie any Sony fanboy tells.
Just STFU and get a life.
I've had my PS3 since launch and my 360 since around then too. The 360 had never RROD'd but my PS3 broke twice when I was D/L firmware updates. Luckily Sony replaced it for me both times.
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Xbox is selling well due to lower selling price and sells people push it. The $200 xbox is a rip off and the 60gig with online is almost the same price of a PS3.
I purchased my xbox for Gears and Bioshock, and I purchased Fallout 3 for the download content, but most everything else I buy for the PS3.
Both are great systems (except for RROD).
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"I humbly say that I'm the "go to" guy at work when it comes to a/v and console info. I try to help those who have purchasing questions for their likes and needs. Thanks, Ben. There are only a few of us left."
And a note to everyone, we all need to share thing such as this on other websites.
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:47:42 AM
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Ben, when something like gaming market competition hasn't changed over the past 15-20 years, but the gamer's state of mind has...questions come to mind. How did this fanboyism happen? How did we get here? What changed?
I blame the rise of the internet. Back during the Genesis/SNES days, I could only talk gaming with actual people I saw in real life (At school, the YMCA, church, at a cousin's house, etc). Back then, I couldn't read some loser blasting my console on some random forum and respond to him, which sparks a flame war.
The fact that fanboys know that they can say whatever they want, w/o any REAL consequences, makes them say those outrageous statements fanboys say. Eventually saying that outrageous stuff becomes a habit and now u're saying those same "fanboyisms" in real life w/ real ppl in your face.
It reminds me of when Halo 2 launched. Halo 2 was the 1st game (i saw) that had a HUGE multiplayer that used the internet. XBOX Live accounts surged. Anyways, there would always be one or two guys w/ mics saying stupid idiotic stuff like...idk...uh..."I touch you mother at night."...stuff like that. That would never be said in a face-to-face interaction. Those are fighting words.
The point is, these ppl act irrational and idiotic b/c in cyberspace...who's gonna stop them? Thanx technology. U gave us fanboyism.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:52:38 AM
That may be the entire problem, right there. Now, there's no chance of me punching them in the nose when they sign up here to scream at me. They get banned, but it's not so bruising to their ego; they just don't care. They go elsewhere and spill their hate.
Hey, hate is often a byproduct of not being able to talk to girls in real life. ;)
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:16:35 AM
Look, I can be an a**hole too but its that type of behavior that girls like. Matter of fact, I met this girl Thursday. Imma give her a call...right after I play some Deadspace. Thanx for the inspiration Ben.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:18:33 AM
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:40:00 AM
If it gets too demanding, I'll choose the girl. She's East African and kinda fine. And always like to trying new things. ;)
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Aftab
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:19:26 PM
I think the AAA multiplatform titles is best argument against the distorted perspective of the fanboy. They talk as if one system is lop-sidedly better than the other, yet many of the best titles of all are on both systems.
Aftab
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:33:51 PM
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Phoelix
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:53:59 AM
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That could be the reason why we get so sore when a 14-year-old kid makes a comment about Sony. We could very well be frustrated with their...business strategies as well.
Personally, sometimes I think I could run Sony better--honestly, no backwards compatibility?
Furthermore, it also frustrates me that awesome games on the PS3 are overlooked simply because everyone knows Gears and Halo. (Resistance? What's that?) But that's neither company's fault; that's the fault of us, the consumer moron, for not looking around for the superior product. (Yes, I think the PS3 is, ultimately, the superior product because of its technical capabilities.)
We're also frustrated because the XBox is currently owning the PS3 in the face for RPG's. That's soon to change, but I bought my PS3 for FFXIII. We all know how that ended up.
I think that's the root of our problem. Otherwise we could just ignore the player review on IGN that gives Resistance 2 a 0.0, saying "This game is trash. This game sucks," and the like.
King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:34:08 AM
I find it ironic that u want Sony to adopt some Microsoft practices, then u complain about the taking of backward compatibility. Kinda funny.
I agree w/ your consumers knowledge argument but don't blame me. Blame the consumer that doesn't want to do research. I bought my PS3. And when I was working retail, I explained whatever product my customer was interested in to the BEST of my abilities.
And don't trip about FFXIII. Versus is still exclusive...for now.
Phoelix
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:48:33 PM
And, you are right: when I said, "consumer moron," I meant everyone who doesn't educate themselves about the gaming market before buying a console. That pretty much excludes all of us since we care enough about our PS3's to be posting on this site.
I think my deeper point is that the reason there is a flame war at all is because we (PS3 owners) are somewhat dissatisfied with our console's performance (sales, basically). Otherwise the flame war could be about who has a hotter mom or something equally as pointless.
And I will trip about FFXIII a lot; I remember reading that it would take 100% of the PS3's power, and now it'll probably be dumbed down so it can run on both 360 and PS3. I'm still not happy about that. But it is possible that that figure was just a boast to begin with.
King James
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 4:42:28 AM
And the SPU's in the PS3 won't be maxed out. I promise. That was just some hype, bro. And SE said that they are making the PS3 version 1st, then porting to the 360. If this remains true...then we won't have a dumbed down version of FFXIII at the expense of a 360 version. We'll just have TO WAIT...till the 360 version is done.
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Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 8:12:52 PM
Um, what makes you say Live lacks its own servers? What do you think manages all the user data?
Anyway, yeah, it seems silly to pay $50 a year for something others offer for free, but I can see how the money helps.
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there was a thread over at gametrailers forums about blu ray being called a sinking ship or something.so this guy says that 'the dark knight' made 20% sales on blu ray which is pretty good for a new format.then this fanboy comes along and tells him that he sucks cause he probably has a 360 and is jealous of blu ray.
so someone points out to this fanboy that the other guy just gave a compliment .to this the fanboy replies - "its not that he said something bad but JUST THE WAY HE SAID IT ."
:)
by the way ben , what's with the picture of the cat ?
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This is why I think people use that idiotic "I have bolth systems." cliche these days. Because saying this debunks the whole "You've never owned one" Or "Your a fanboy" because they can say "I'm not a fanboy I have bolth." witch is probably BS.(IMO 98% of the time)
People want to be superior to other people and this translates to things that people own. For example Machoman1:"My cars faster than yours." Machoman2:"No my car is faster!."
It exists everywhere, it's just too bad we can't just race the two consoles and figure out the answer once and for all. Just to shut all the fanboys up.
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Wednesday, December 17, 2008 @ 9:59:50 PM
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This is why I think people use that idiotic "I have bolth systems." cliche these days. Because saying this debunks the whole "You've never owned one" Or "Your a fanboy" because they can say "I'm not a fanboy I have bolth." witch is probably BS.(IMO 98% of the time)
People want to be superior to other people and this translates to things that people own. For example Machoman1:"My cars faster than yours." Machoman2:"No my car is faster!."
It exists everywhere, it's just too bad we can't just race the two consoles and figure out the answer once and for all. Just to shut all the fanboys up.

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Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:26:52 PM
That's why I only play my Dreamcast... the greatest console of all time.