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Editorial: Gamers Replace Boasting With Hostility

This may be another one of those "it's just me" scenarios, so I'm wondering if others have noticed a disturbing - and relatively new - trend in the video game world.

Look, there have always been fanboys. Back in the day, when consoles were more expensive than they are now (taking inflation into account), and our parents were reluctant to buy more than one platform, we had to choose between the Colecovision and Intellivision or the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis. Rarely did I know anyone in school who had more than one system, which is what initially bred the very first generation of fanboys. Now, as everyone here well knows, I despise the word and I despise the type of person who assumes such a label; they're bad for the industry in general, and I typically want to jam a shrimp fork in their eye. Refusing to play certain games due to brand-name loyalty has got to the most irrational and idiotic sentiment in the entertainment world today. However, back then, it was kinda like, "yeah, I have the SNES and it's better than your Genesis." Then the two would argue as kids tend to do.

The problem is, those kids have grown up (well, that's debatable), and they're still arguing...except the difference is that instead of the aforementioned statement, it's "the Genesis sucks." It's about bashing, not boasting. It's about attacking. It's about hostility. It's about "you're an idiot because you bought that," not "I'm awesome because I have this." Some may not see the obvious distinction, but I sure as hell do. The bottom line is that I remember a lot of loyalists and debate in the old days, but I don't recall so much in the way of nastiness or ugliness, which seems to infest every message board on earth (except ours, of course ;)). Why is it now hip to hate? All the crap floating around about system wars and all that is not only ignorant - it has always been ignorant - but now it's so disgusting, no normal human can handle it for more than ten consecutive seconds. It just seems to me that these people are so unhappy; it's as if they're secretly pissed that they voluntarily restrict themselves, and they need to take it out on someone.

Rather than explaining just how great Gears of War 2 is, Xbox 360 fans only want to bash the PS3. Rather than talking about great MGS4 is, PS3 fans only want to bash the 360. Why? Perhaps it's a reflection of the times; perhaps everyone really is more unhappy than they were 20 years ago, and maybe the Internet simply breeds and even cultivates hostile behavior. But while I'm quite certain we'll never get rid of the fanboys, I would much rather have the kind who love to boast rather than the kind who toss sh** at the opposition. Even here, where we attentively regulate the Comments - thereby creating an intelligent, informed community that typically debates and doesn't feature flame wars - those who sign up just to cause problems only use hate as their weapon of choice. No Xbox 360 fan has ever signed up to post something like, "LAMLAMLAM; the 360 has Gears 2, way better online, and at least it's affordable!" No, they sign up to post, "LAMLAMLAM, PS3 sales suck and nobody cares about Blu-Ray!" Both individuals will get the insta-ban treatment, of course, but one I despise far more than the other.

And sadly, all I see is the same type. The haters. What is causing this horrid streak of unbelievably rude behavior? I'd like to believe the theory I mentioned before; that the fanboys are starting to realize just how mocked and derided their lot is, and just how much they're missing by limiting themselves. You can't experience everything great this industry has to offer if you're a fanboy; plain and simple, and maybe they're starting to recognize this. Maybe they can't do anything about it, so they take their frustration out on others. Who knows? All I know is that I miss the days when taking pride in your choice vastly superseded bashing on another's. That's all. 'shrugs'

12/12/2008 Ben Dutka

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Comments (104 posts)

Fabi
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:26:52 PM
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It used to be fun to argue about which console was better, but now it's at the point where it's disgusting.

That's why I only play my Dreamcast... the greatest console of all time.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:28:33 PM

Wrong. God, you SUCK for having such a CRAPPY system.

;)

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:06:10 AM

Was the Dreamcast that bad? I think my Commodore Amiga CD32 and Amiga 1200 are the greatest gaming machines ever... who wants to argue? :)

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:17:46 AM

I'll argue b/c I'm a fanboy and "MINE'S BETTER! AND URS SUCKS!"...

That's how you be a fanboy, right? lol

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kreate
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:47:28 PM
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i bash the xbox360 cuz my xbox360 broke and microsoft refuses to repair for free.
i never bash xbox360 games though.

But at least i gave xbox360 a fair try b4 going around bashing it.

xbox lovers generally don't have a ps3 but they choose to bash it anyways.

I'm a fanboy of video games in general. I am a little bias against the wii though.

i own all game consoles except for the sega dreamcast. i lost my original nintendo and sega genesis. but i got SNES, Sega Saturn,ps1,ps2,ps3, original xbox, N64, and gamecube. i sold my DS but i still have my psp.

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:23:22 PM

They refuse to pay for free? Whats going on with that?

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:41:46 PM

Man, I've had a friend that had his 360 lost by M$. And he was left high and dry. It wasn't his or any other consumers fault for this. No one should have to pay for someone else's shoddy work. Would someone pay for ours?

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:49:34 PM
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Yeah who would join to do that?=p

Honestly tho ill be fair. I give respect where its needed. Plus I know the 360 isn't perfect. They all have there ups and downs.

I cant tell you how many times im attacked for owning a 360. Some people will be like "loser! you couldn't afford a PS3!"(even tho my Elite is the same price..)"your gonna get RROD because it sucks!"(I haven't..Knock on wood=p)

I see what you mean. Its always been us against you. Never a mutual understanding. I guess thats why I joined being so hostile.

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:20:41 AM

I venerate you for joining a playstation oriented website regardless your ownage of only an xbox 360 for a gaming consel. Your quiet dauntless:)

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MetalHead09
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:43:27 AM

the only real reason that i dont have a 360 is because its reliability is far to flimsy. some of the games ever since day 1 have cought my attention but i cant bring myself to spend that much money on something thats got a bigger chance of breaking than working. maybe someday ill pick one up used or FREE lol. oh and i just personally dont see microsoft pushing it for as long as sony is pushing the ps3. sony game out and told everybody what their plans for the future were and they still do but i dont remember a single instance where bill gates or amyone came out and briefed anyone on what their plans for the future were. if microsoft wants to do like 4 year life spans for their systems then they can keep them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 10:58:19 PM
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Among people who have chosen to own one next gen system, I see more fanboys on the side of console "A" versus on the side of console "B" I'll let you all figure out which system to place under which moniker.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:54:40 AM

In the US regards I believe that your console "A" has a larger userbase, and considering that the price for that console "B" is pretty steep in regards to the 18 and under group, I'd say the age group is 18 and under. If a survey or research group went out to see what is the primary age of trolling with the love of their system, then I would guess that it would be 18 and under. Afterall who 18+ has the time or the ability to give enough fark to confess their love to a system. This all adds to your theory of console A having more "fanboys" (I hate that damn word) than console "B." Before I get flamed for my comment I will add that there are exceptions to this theory, and let me remind all of you that this is a theory and just that...

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somethingrandom
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:01:45 PM
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I'll admit that the 360 has it's fair share of good exclusives and features. It's just not as technically capable as the PS3 partially due to the fact that it was released 1 year earlier. I don't mind people praising their system. But I'm with you on the people who only have negative things to say. I believe these people feel superior if they can make another system (or purchaser) look inferior to their console (or themself).

Can't we all be friends on the basis that we LOVE games?

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Deleted User
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:06:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:07:17 AM

I would have liked Fable II on the PS3... what a shame we don't have it!

Q!

"i aM HoMe"

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Sir Shak
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:04:56 PM
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i prefer just sitting back and enjoying those absurd fanboy wars and the redundant use of words like 'epic fail' and 'owned'.
i don't know about you guys but i find violent stupidity and the inability to put together coherent sentences downright hilarious .

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:26:24 PM
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All this hate is really encouraged by M$. Look at all the crap they sling. Sony makes indirect comments about strides in advancement THEY undertake. I was looking at GamesIndustry.biz and M$ is at it again sayin "It feels like 2005 tech in 2008," and "Home is outdated." They seem like that little scrony kid back in High School that wants to fight everyone (chihuahuas-I call 'em). There was always a little competition with fanboys but NEVER the likes of which we see today.

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kreate
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:36:44 AM

i saw that comment too. what's up with microsoft bashing HOME and sony?

sony even praised the xbox in japan and encouraged japanese ppl to buy xbox in japan.

y can't microsoft say that for the ps3 in america?

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:09:45 AM

I have to say though, I was shocked at the latest NDP figures... what's going on lads... I thought Sony would be surging ahead now...

I think the next 3 heavy hitters will tip the scales... Killzone 2, God Of War III and Heavy Rain... bring em on!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

- Ops, that reminds me, I need to order my PSP now... I have to use up Emirate miles I have stored up... hehe, getting a free PSP for Christmas... thanks Emirates!

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Wage SLAVES
Friday, December 12, 2008 @ 11:36:53 PM
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I dont know. Sony just suits my personal style. If you show me up, good job you and If I own you then I just laugh. Sony has the right mind when it comes to the gamers first. They've even said that PS3 development will end in better quality 360 titles. How the HELL is that harsh?! We tend to gravitate, I believe, to the flock that suits us. PS2 owners NEVER defended that PS2 was more powerful than the XBOX. Why is it the other way when PS3 is ahead of the curve?

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:53:30 AM

Well back then it was a obvious difference in graphics, loading, ext.

Nowadays its a bit more complicated then that.

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:12:02 AM

What is soo complicated about it? If you have eyes and any attention to detail I believe that soon we will see the true potential of the PS3. It will be obvious. Bigger/prettier games. Period.

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 1:37:30 AM

My eyes see alot of Xbox games simply playing better. Its not a hardware thing. Its a developer problem.

The Xbox is alot easier to make games for. But the PS3 hardware when applied properly will be better. Just not alot of developers til now bothered to do it.

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QuasarSquirrel
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:08:34 AM
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Am I having deja vu or did we have an article almost exactly like this a couple of months ago? At any rate, I don't know how new it is really, I knew a guy who was a hardcore sega fan right up until they crumbled in the hardware game. Ironically, after being very hostile to Nintendo he became quite the Gamecube fan.

I think the internet has just made it easier to feel like you're in an "in group" combining with the Greater Internet F**kwad Theory.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:57:42 AM

I think you're talking about the article I did on elitism...

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LightShow
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:23:40 AM
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There are Cowboys fans, there are Broncos fans, and then, yes, there are even a couple Chiefs fans left (me and a hobo down the street =D), and then there are those who just love the game of football.

I like to think of myself as one who just loves video games. People with enough spare energy to engage in flame wars over which system you choose OBVIOUSLY need to redirect their energies into something more constructive, like furniture building, perhaps.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:52:04 AM

Im a die hard greenbay fan. Im also I die hard Xbox fan. Whats wrong with supporting your favorite?

The people I laugh at are the ones who take them selves to serious.

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:22:00 AM

@ Joshua

You support them with your wallet. That's all that's needed, not a "soccer hooligan" mentality.

Also, from previous comments, you seem to have become "die hard" overnight, just because you happened to have chosen to get a 360. They call that "bandwagon jumping".

Finally, your comments would have more weight if your grammar and spelling were better.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:09:17 AM

No Fane I support them because I feel they make the best.

You make think it was "overnight" but it wasn't. I played nothing but Sony for YEARS. Then one day at the mall I seen a used Xbox for $60. Im like what the hell and bought it. Lil did I know it was VASTLY superior to my PS2. MS has the games this generation that I like. From Halo to GTA.

Make w/e claims you want. But iv played em all and I know what im talking about.

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:14:28 AM

You may "feel like they make the best" but rrod has no excuse. Therefore dismissing it as "the best" and making it the most unreliable.

@Light Show

You also have those crazy Raiders fans that shank people in the stands Lol...ahem..Joshua

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:02:34 AM

Josh, I think u just have a love for green logos. GO COWBOYS!

And u should've known the original XBOX was better than the PS2. The hardware was more powerful, but the software was lacking. That's why started saying buy an xbox if u like shooters and sports games. PS2 had the better library though.

oh yea, and GO COWBOYS!

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 1:34:24 AM

Yeah I see where your coming from. The reason I dident know about the Xbox was because all I did was play PS. It never crossed my mind till I bought one.

And for the guy above. Reliability is an issue. But we shall see how the new CPU's sort out. Im hearing good things.

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Papa Burgundy
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:35:35 AM
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Totally agree with the editorial, all my buds have 360's, as do I but whenever I talk about the ps3 they just become such a**holes towards the ps3. Don't matter though, they can miss out on the fantastic games like lbp, R2, GoW 3, K2, and MGS4.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:11:07 AM

...and they are fantastic... no arguments there... most would agree with that here!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:46:57 AM
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I'll say that a lot (not all) of the animosity is owed to the internets. It's easy to hide behind a machine and hurl epithets. I wouldn't tell the 360 fans I know that their system blows chocolate donkey balls, at least not unless they start a verbal flame war (a very rare thing since most people are decent in real life if for no other reason than fear of being drop kicked across the street for being a shameless dick). It called Internet bullying and a girl just killed herself over it if you've been watching the news. That's what I think.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:11:49 AM

Damn, donkey chocolate balls!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Aftab
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:02:37 PM

What happened with the girl?

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DickyDick1969
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:48:45 AM
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I think the author forgets it is a console-WAR out there. The PS3 and XBOX360 are targeting the same markets and audience. Microsoft started with the constant smear-campaign, copycat software and buying out the third parties, and made this into a dirty WAR.

And looking to all their past "victories" on OS, Browsers, Office software,etc it frightens me have them rule the scepter in game land.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 12:54:24 AM

Money talks.

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Joe_III
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:33:19 AM

@dicky
Smear campaign and copycat software??? I'm not going to even go into how incredibly ridiculous the rest of your post is.

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BigT_1980
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 2:03:45 AM

I guess since it is a console war between the PS3 and the 360 then that means I must be a double agent. But seriously neither console is without its faults. With the PS3 you get much greater reliability free online. While with the 360 has a far superior XBox Live Market Place and sadly most of the multi-platform games look slightly better on the 360 because most developers still use it as their lead platform. And to address the perception that many people have that claims that the online is better on the 360 compared to the PS3 I have to disagree. I personally feel the PS3's online is on par with the 360's.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:12:32 AM

Crap doesn't though JoshuaAdam360!

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:05:41 AM

And who makes the crap exactly?

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:00:45 AM

85% of nintendo's Wii titles?

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LightShow
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:20:00 PM

BURN!!

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Fane1024
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:13:41 AM
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Personally, I'm sick to death of the flame wars ON BOTH SIDES. I'm a Sony partisan, but only because I have such disdain for Microsoft and their business practices. Which in no way means I can't acknowledge the (few) things they do right (e.g., including a hard drive in the Xbox, pushing online services MUCH more agressively than Sony (or Nintendo--LOL), ... I honestly can't think of anything else). I prefer Sony's open platform philosophy to the way Microsoft tries to control everything, but Bungie/Microsoft have definitely introduced a lot of good features in Live.

Likewise, I don't apply my well-earned bias against Microsoft toward every game released on the Xbox or 360. To say that Gears or Fable suck because they're Xbox exclusives is stupid. If those games were on the PS3, I'd eat them up.

I AM tired of the way games like Halo 3 seem to be scored higher than, say, Uncharted because of the hype and "teh bias", despite reviews which describe a less-than-superb game.

I'm even more tired of how Sony seems to get criticized for every misstep while Microsoft and Nintendo seem to get a pass. I mean, "DelayStation"; compared to Nintendo, Sony has produced things in a much more timely fashion (except Home). And at the height of the RRoD, game sites kept recommending that people should choose the 360 over the PS3. THEY DON'T WORK. What does Microsoft have to do to suffer some consequences? Start killing babies? Games or no games, no one should reward a company for consciously producing broken products. /rant

I'm proud that I had the patience to wait for the superior product. On paper, the 360 is a fine product; in reality, it's a dud.

Correction: I never would have bought it anyway, but my point holds.

I don't think all 360 owners are Xbots or idiots, but I do believe they made the wrong choice.

I would have bought a Wii by now (planned to), but am off-put by the fad aspect. I've detailed other reasons elsewhere on the site.

I just wish the ACTUAL Xbots would stick to "their" sites (like Xbox Nerds) and stop trolling. What they get from it confounds me. It's why I originally came here (PS-only site) about four years ago and go to similar places, to get PlayStation-only news and discussion, without the stuff I don't need.

And as I stated at the top, it infuriates me equally when PS Fanboys (not the website) hurl back insults. It's not interesting to read; it's not productive; it doesn't mean you won the fight.

Can't we all just get along?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 2:50:08 AM

"Games or no games, no one should reward a company for consciously producing broken products"

But if M$ didn't create the RRoD fiasco, then they wouldn't have the sales lead from all the folks whose warranty ended or who didn't want a refurbished product and bought another one.

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Fatcat3788
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:03:27 AM

/agree with you completely.
except for the whole wrong choice with xBox. I'd have to say "To each, their own."

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Joe_III
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:27:21 AM
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oh my god i just lost my entire 15 paragraph post thanks to a motherfucking touchpad.

Here is cliff notes.
It's always happened. But it's happening more and more these days thanks to the hippies and the internet.

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OU812
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 2:36:34 AM
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Oh man, someone finally noticed. Thank you Ben. I have been a regular gamer since the days of Atari and Pong; yes, thats how old I am. And played most of the systems including long hrs in coin arcades. I believe its not really the gaming as much as it is about pure agressive competition. It has premeated itself into everything.

It seems we all want to simply win at everything at all cost to the point of obsessive behaviour. One of the reasons I stopped online gaming; xcept with close friends.

With the fast growth of the net and accelerating advanced gaming technologies coupled with constant unrest around the glode will only fuel more xtreme negetive behaviours. It doesnt help that our favorite brands are constantly at each others throats.

I will always be gaming till the day I die. All we freakin need to do is chill, smoke some, sit back and enjoy some GTA and Fallout; yeeaaaah!!!!!

Peace

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:56:01 AM

It could be a competitive thing, that's for sure. But I still believe it's more of the rampant insecurity molded into this ball of pure contempt and hate, which they roll all over the Internet.

They never have any fun playing games. At least, it seems that way to me...for us, I think we didn't get all hostile because we DID have fun. If the other person was having fun, who cares which platform they did it with?

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crump602
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:04:26 AM
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Xbox & Xbox360 DO NOT HAVE TRUE FANS, their just DEVASTATED Sega Dreamcast and Saturn owners that had no place to go after Sony’s Playstation 1 & 2 DESTROYED Sega!!!! So they jumped on the BANDWAGON and picked M$ just so the could still hold there fists up in the air and say FU Sony! To them it's more like the "Dreamcast360 v2.0."
In this point in time is where all the bad tension came from!

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:13:47 AM

Can I get a facepalm?

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N a S a H
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:21:25 AM

WOW You are an idiot. I just had to look at your picture to tell.

"360 & Wii SUCKS KOCK"

I love Sony, I've had every console they released AND I have a 360.

DO you own a 360? No you don't and don't bullsh** us with your stories of how it RROD'd and MS wouldn't refund you. That's the oldest lie any Sony fanboy tells.

Just STFU and get a life.

I've had my PS3 since launch and my 360 since around then too. The 360 had never RROD'd but my PS3 broke twice when I was D/L firmware updates. Luckily Sony replaced it for me both times.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:13:54 AM

Geez N a s a h! Roll out the big guns... from Killzone 2 :)

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:31:42 AM

N A S A H: No more of that. First and LAST warning.

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N a S a H
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 7:38:10 AM

I'm sorry, this guy really made me angry.

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kreate
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 5:39:30 AM
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microsft already sent me a refurbished one cuz my original one broke. the refurbished one they sent me also broke.

and now they want me to pay if they want me to send another refurbished one. y can't they juss send me a brand new one in the first place?

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Geobaldi
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:02:43 AM
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Yeah things have gotten out of hand compared to how things used to be. I remember going through this slightly with the Colecovision and Intellivision back in the day but it didn't really mean much to us then. Not until the original NES and Sega Genesis were released. Always seemed to have those types of conversions at the store displays in Walmart. And it's jus gotten worse since. And it doesn't help that certain retailers, Gamestop for example, favor one system over another and bash the other one.

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:14:41 AM
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360 BASHFEST in HOME, anyone??? Shall we go low...

Q!

"i aM hOme"

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TH3G4MEMASTER
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 6:36:17 AM
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its all retaliation someone says "ps3 sucks like hell and who cares about blu ray!" then the ps3 fan says "well xbox live you have to pay for and blu ray rocks and that xbox has crappy graphics!" Well im a ps3 owner and i dont hate xbox that much and i think xbox and ps are on the same lines they are both good and both have tech difficulties eg xbox's "red light of death" or ps3's braking down problem. Let the war stop they are only machines for god sake!!!!

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:12:57 AM
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my local gamestore just lost two of their best workers (who were neutral n had all the correct info on both consoles),guess who replaces them....former gamestop employees who wasted no time criticising my "poor taste " in consoles. Are most 360 owners that insecure? My roommate has a 360 n we get along fine. Im happy there's that die hard 360 dude on this,maybe this is peace coming.

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MetalHead09
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:48:54 AM

good point man, him joining is the start of peaceful co-existence.

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:04:07 AM

Thanks guys. Just like to hear other views while expressing mine.

Nothing wrong with that.

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HighLife
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 9:05:30 AM
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I have both systems and I enjoy both. I enjoy my PS3 more I prefer the controller,the free online and Blu-Ray (I just have xbox silver) account.

Xbox is selling well due to lower selling price and sells people push it. The $200 xbox is a rip off and the 60gig with online is almost the same price of a PS3.

I purchased my xbox for Gears and Bioshock, and I purchased Fallout 3 for the download content, but most everything else I buy for the PS3.

Both are great systems (except for RROD).

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Qubex
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:04:22 AM
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PLEASE ALL, READ THIS HELL...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/siliconalley/personal-tech/2008_12_sonys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html


Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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Deleted User
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:32:18 AM

I read that. They need to cut that damn price. Iv been saying this forever.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:33:13 AM

I saw it. Idiotic editorial from either a fanboy or a non-gamer who STILL - despite my last article on the PS3's library - believes the game list for the PS3 is "mediocre."

Automatic ignore.

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:50:42 AM

If Ben deems it "automatic ignore" than that's what i'll do. Besides, I just talked some idiots acticle (probably the same one) in the forums. I referenced u're points Ben. Thanx for the ammo.

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Jordahn
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:43:56 AM
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Ben, I just posted this on http://www.vgchartz.com/ aong with a personal comment...

"I humbly say that I'm the "go to" guy at work when it comes to a/v and console info. I try to help those who have purchasing questions for their likes and needs. Thanks, Ben. There are only a few of us left."

And a note to everyone, we all need to share thing such as this on other websites.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:53:27 AM

Thanks! :)

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:47:42 AM
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Sorry I didn't read the comments this time. So if I'm repeating someone else's comment, its only a coincidence.

Ben, when something like gaming market competition hasn't changed over the past 15-20 years, but the gamer's state of mind has...questions come to mind. How did this fanboyism happen? How did we get here? What changed?

I blame the rise of the internet. Back during the Genesis/SNES days, I could only talk gaming with actual people I saw in real life (At school, the YMCA, church, at a cousin's house, etc). Back then, I couldn't read some loser blasting my console on some random forum and respond to him, which sparks a flame war.

The fact that fanboys know that they can say whatever they want, w/o any REAL consequences, makes them say those outrageous statements fanboys say. Eventually saying that outrageous stuff becomes a habit and now u're saying those same "fanboyisms" in real life w/ real ppl in your face.

It reminds me of when Halo 2 launched. Halo 2 was the 1st game (i saw) that had a HUGE multiplayer that used the internet. XBOX Live accounts surged. Anyways, there would always be one or two guys w/ mics saying stupid idiotic stuff like...idk...uh..."I touch you mother at night."...stuff like that. That would never be said in a face-to-face interaction. Those are fighting words.

The point is, these ppl act irrational and idiotic b/c in cyberspace...who's gonna stop them? Thanx technology. U gave us fanboyism.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:52:38 AM

"The fact that fanboys know that they can say whatever they want, w/o any REAL consequences, makes them say those outrageous statements fanboys say."

That may be the entire problem, right there. Now, there's no chance of me punching them in the nose when they sign up here to scream at me. They get banned, but it's not so bruising to their ego; they just don't care. They go elsewhere and spill their hate.

Hey, hate is often a byproduct of not being able to talk to girls in real life. ;)

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:16:35 AM

Hey Ben, lack of character and/or integrity usually leads to a social complex. And a punch in the face will clear all that up.

Look, I can be an a**hole too but its that type of behavior that girls like. Matter of fact, I met this girl Thursday. Imma give her a call...right after I play some Deadspace. Thanx for the inspiration Ben.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:18:33 AM

I just beat Dead Space. Awesome game.

...and at this point, I think I'd take the game over the girl. But that's just me, currently. :)

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:40:00 AM

I trying to beat it on Hard. I'm on chapter 5. I'm getting chased by this regenerating necromorph. And, I'm low on stasis and ammo.

If it gets too demanding, I'll choose the girl. She's East African and kinda fine. And always like to trying new things. ;)

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Aftab
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:19:26 PM

Deadspace was one of the bigger suprises of the year, for me. I'm playing POP, next. And then, I'll trade them both in for MotorStorm2.

I think the AAA multiplatform titles is best argument against the distorted perspective of the fanboy. They talk as if one system is lop-sidedly better than the other, yet many of the best titles of all are on both systems.

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Aftab
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:33:51 PM

To KJ, although I only played it on Medium, to save on stasis and ammo, what I would do was sever the arms and legs,then stasis-freeze them, then run for it. Besides upgrading the armor, I'd say stasis comes next, and thereafter a couple weapons of your choice, and kinesis last. To Ben, I believe last time you spoke of your DS progress was a couple weeks ago, and you were in level 6. If you only just beat it, you've been slacking!

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Deleted User
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 1:39:41 AM

I love Xbox but if a girls over its going off.

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Phoelix
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:53:59 AM
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Raise your hand if you have been secretly wishing that Sony would make some Microsoft-ish decisions like buying exclusives or dropping the PS3's price to compete with other consoles. And how many of you secretly wish we had Halo or Fable on PS3?

That could be the reason why we get so sore when a 14-year-old kid makes a comment about Sony. We could very well be frustrated with their...business strategies as well.

Personally, sometimes I think I could run Sony better--honestly, no backwards compatibility?

Furthermore, it also frustrates me that awesome games on the PS3 are overlooked simply because everyone knows Gears and Halo. (Resistance? What's that?) But that's neither company's fault; that's the fault of us, the consumer moron, for not looking around for the superior product. (Yes, I think the PS3 is, ultimately, the superior product because of its technical capabilities.)

We're also frustrated because the XBox is currently owning the PS3 in the face for RPG's. That's soon to change, but I bought my PS3 for FFXIII. We all know how that ended up.

I think that's the root of our problem. Otherwise we could just ignore the player review on IGN that gives Resistance 2 a 0.0, saying "This game is trash. This game sucks," and the like.

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King James
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:34:08 AM

Well Phoelix, I'm not gonna raise my hand for Sony acting like 360. But I do wish for an attack or something. *excited* Ooooo, how about a "Hi, I'm a 360. And I'm a PS3" commercial? Like the Mac vs. PC commercials.

I find it ironic that u want Sony to adopt some Microsoft practices, then u complain about the taking of backward compatibility. Kinda funny.

I agree w/ your consumers knowledge argument but don't blame me. Blame the consumer that doesn't want to do research. I bought my PS3. And when I was working retail, I explained whatever product my customer was interested in to the BEST of my abilities.

And don't trip about FFXIII. Versus is still exclusive...for now.

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Phoelix
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 1:48:33 PM

I don't see the irony; that could be because I don't know how Microsoft has treated backwards compatibility.

And, you are right: when I said, "consumer moron," I meant everyone who doesn't educate themselves about the gaming market before buying a console. That pretty much excludes all of us since we care enough about our PS3's to be posting on this site.

I think my deeper point is that the reason there is a flame war at all is because we (PS3 owners) are somewhat dissatisfied with our console's performance (sales, basically). Otherwise the flame war could be about who has a hotter mom or something equally as pointless.

And I will trip about FFXIII a lot; I remember reading that it would take 100% of the PS3's power, and now it'll probably be dumbed down so it can run on both 360 and PS3. I'm still not happy about that. But it is possible that that figure was just a boast to begin with.

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King James
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 4:42:28 AM

The 360 was suppose to BC but Microsoft pulled it within its 1st year. Thats a practice Sony has adopted from M$.

And the SPU's in the PS3 won't be maxed out. I promise. That was just some hype, bro. And SE said that they are making the PS3 version 1st, then porting to the 360. If this remains true...then we won't have a dumbed down version of FFXIII at the expense of a 360 version. We'll just have TO WAIT...till the 360 version is done.

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ps92117
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 4:36:20 PM
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psx extreme you should ask sony about borrowing the psn accounts so you can proove that somebody owns a ps3, joshua why are you here don't you have some 360 news to look up , and nasah you don't have a ps3 you little whore , at least dowhat joshua is doing and tell the truth.i agree with psx on the enix problem enix has decided to screw us realy bad and i am pisst but i can't do s*** about it, i don't own 360 so i dont know much bout live however a far as i know i don't see how it is better than psn , it lacks its own servers yet you have to pay for it, man there must be something else extrodinarly great about it that i don't know bout

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karneli lll
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 8:10:04 PM

clearly there seems to be a growing trend of people posting before reading comments, ps92177 ; leave joshua alone,he has a right to his opinion and presence for that matter.i suggest you cut the cliche lines and say something more constructive or...keep your thoughts to yourself.

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bustin98
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 8:12:52 PM

There's nothing 'extraordinary' about Live, but for me download speeds are better on Live compared to PSN. In general, multiplayer features are better. There's more variety with available demos. In fact, every demo since the 360 launched is still abailable. I don't remember if this is true for the PSN. Is Heavenly Sword still available? I'll have to look.

Um, what makes you say Live lacks its own servers? What do you think manages all the user data?

Anyway, yeah, it seems silly to pay $50 a year for something others offer for free, but I can see how the money helps.

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bustin98
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 7:58:24 PM
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Congratulations, Ben. This is the second article in a week to be featured on GoNintendo.com.

Isn't it great that two sites that love video games can get along so well!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:04:47 PM

Why would a Nintendo site use this article? Direct link...?

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bustin98
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:21:04 AM

Here ya go

http://gonintendo.com/?p=66236

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 12:23:48 AM

Huh. Well, I figure this is the type of topic that crosses boundaries. Kinda the point. ;)

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 1:42:08 AM

Maybe Nintendo guys hate truth?

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bustin98
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 11:38:23 AM

What does that mean Josh? There is nothing derogatory about Gonintendo's link. In fact, the owner wrote he is in agreement with Ben's statements.

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Sir Shak
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 10:52:02 PM
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i just saw the height of fanboy stupidity -

there was a thread over at gametrailers forums about blu ray being called a sinking ship or something.so this guy says that 'the dark knight' made 20% sales on blu ray which is pretty good for a new format.then this fanboy comes along and tells him that he sucks cause he probably has a 360 and is jealous of blu ray.
so someone points out to this fanboy that the other guy just gave a compliment .to this the fanboy replies - "its not that he said something bad but JUST THE WAY HE SAID IT ."
:)

by the way ben , what's with the picture of the cat ?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, December 13, 2008 @ 11:05:01 PM

Dunno. Just found it in Google images. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 10:46:59 PM

IT says, don't be a buncha pissy console combatants, look at the cute kitty :)

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Vivi_Gamer
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 2:07:29 PM
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The cat is classic as for the topic, i have my ps3, it satisfies all my media needs, hence i need no other.

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Sol
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 2:55:43 PM
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Get both and become closer to achieving video game enlightenment, at least that's how I feel... somewhat. I simply want a PS3 to complete my collections and play games. I have seen thing on the 360 that make me want one as well, but I never say that one is better.

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food86
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 3:13:54 PM
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I enjoy my ps3 fully and am somewhat of a fanboy towards it, Like I know with my ps3 I get the most out of it. I want an xbox but just for their exclusives, and these would just be rentals I don't plan in owning any games and paying with money that can easily go to my ps3 that being said, I would only have silver account, no online (im not into online playing) and will only buy one at 150 no more so I might get a used one. and buy some warranty or something if I can. I want an xbox but don't think it's worth spending hard earned money on.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 10:49:33 PM

Still, for free, PSN is worth setting up an account for the demos.

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cr67
Sunday, December 14, 2008 @ 11:28:40 PM
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I've noticed the same issue with MP3 players. There's the IPod fanboys and then there's everyone else. Even though there are much better mp3 players out there that cost half as much, these Apple fanboys seem to think you're a loser if you don't have an IPod. Personally I own a Creative Zen and absolutely love it. Not only because it's got twice the features that an Ipod has, but because I didn't have to break the bank in order to buy it. The Cnet forums are full of Apple fanboys full of hostility and really all you can do is feel sorry for these types of people. Same issue with the game systems.

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DigitalStorm
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 5:17:39 AM
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Ben,

It's the media and the site's such as PSX that perpetuate the fanboyism. It's all light-hearted stuff until it starts getting reported as something more than a bit of fun.

Stop it.

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DigitalStorm
Monday, December 15, 2008 @ 5:17:44 AM
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Ben,

It's the media and the site's such as PSX that perpetuate the fanboyism. It's all light-hearted stuff until it starts getting reported as something more than a bit of fun.

Stop it.

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SubjectiveTruth
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 @ 9:59:36 PM
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My theory is that people want to have the best thing out there. When they make up their mind and buy something they start to wonder if the other thing is better. They don't want to think they made the wrong choice so they go to all kinds of sites and take only the negative information they can find on the opposition. Now they want others approval and they feel insecure so they try to make others feel as if they made the wrong choice in order to make themselves think they made the right choice.

This is why I think people use that idiotic "I have bolth systems." cliche these days. Because saying this debunks the whole "You've never owned one" Or "Your a fanboy" because they can say "I'm not a fanboy I have bolth." witch is probably BS.(IMO 98% of the time)

People want to be superior to other people and this translates to things that people own. For example Machoman1:"My cars faster than yours." Machoman2:"No my car is faster!."
It exists everywhere, it's just too bad we can't just race the two consoles and figure out the answer once and for all. Just to shut all the fanboys up.

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SubjectiveTruth
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 @ 9:59:50 PM
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My theory is that people want to have the best thing out there. When they make up their mind and buy something they start to wonder if the other thing is better. They don't want to think they made the wrong choice so they go to all kinds of sites and take only the negative information they can find on the opposition. Now they want others approval and they feel insecure so they try to make others feel as if they made the wrong choice in order to make themselves think they made the right choice.

This is why I think people use that idiotic "I have bolth systems." cliche these days. Because saying this debunks the whole "You've never owned one" Or "Your a fanboy" because they can say "I'm not a fanboy I have bolth." witch is probably BS.(IMO 98% of the time)

People want to be superior to other people and this translates to things that people own. For example Machoman1:"My cars faster than yours." Machoman2:"No my car is faster!."
It exists everywhere, it's just too bad we can't just race the two consoles and figure out the answer once and for all. Just to shut all the fanboys up.

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