Killzone 2, Edge Review...Everyone Breathe
View Large ImageGranted, when the site was just launched I was much younger, so the quality of work you'll find if you start digging around to prove me wrong is separated by a timespan of 10 years. In any case, I'd just like to point some things out about Ben Dutka, while at the same time clarifying some others. It's important to know that despite Ben's passionate editorials, he was hired to write for PSX Extreme as an owner of an Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 2, the latter of which had been largely sidelined by him after his HD acquisition.
Ben has sung nothing but high praises for the Xbox 360, and has tried to convince me numerous times to buy one. Ben's logged as many hours on his Xbox 360 last year as he has his PlayStation 3. With games like Lost Odyssey, Left 4 Dead, and especially Gears of War 2, I still have to decline Ben's persuasion largely because I feel like I won't play the machine that much. Gaming has become more of my job than it has my hobby, and if I need to experience and compare a multiplatform game I have Xbox 360 access at my best-friend's house.
Nobody who's deemed a fanboy would continuously try to convince me to buy the PlayStation 3's biggest rival; it is simply not the way of the fanboy. Ben has repeatedly mentioned that Gears of War 2 is his second game of the year title for 2008, yes, putting it above his love for Resistance 2. And even then, Ben has a reservation or two, feeling that in some cases maybe Gears of War 2 is his GOTY? And that would mean, *gasp*, putting it above Metal Gear Solid 4. So let's just say that Ben's GOTY is a tie between the biggest Xbox 360 game of 2008, and the biggest PlayStation 3 game of 2008.
I've been around plenty of fanboys in the past, and I can attest that Ben is not one of them. That is simply not how we hire people around here. His passionate stand against Edge was misinterpreted by many as lacking integrity and the wrong way for gaming journalism. And I believe that a lot of the negativity comes from people who simply don't know enough about Ben's gaming habits. His response to Edge's review may not have dissected their Killzone 2 piece by pointing out its faults, but that's largely because it was a quick article where Ben just wanted to get a message across...looks like it worked. I've read the Killzone 2 review myself, and believe me, it'd be easy for anyone to point out the obvious flaws in it - the most obvious being that they complain about things in KZ2 that other games like COD4, Gears of War 2, and Halo 3 got passes for. The other major complaint being that they spent, essentially, one tiny, closing paragraph remarking how nice the multiplayer was.
Don't get what I'm saying wrong. I honestly couldn't care less if Edge gave Killzone 2 a 3, I'd just prefer that they wrote a review that matched the score. Instead, the context of the review seemed to dance around with cleverly constructed quips and such, with an entire page dedicated solely to the opening bit of the game. Give us legitimate reasons why you didn't enjoy Killzone 2 as much as others did, Edge. Don't list reasons that you've given other games passes for. And I know that I shouldn't bring up other reviews because different people review different games. But collectively, they are reviewing these games representing one sole publication, so the review process should have some sort of consistency that reflects how they've judged games in the past. That's just me, though, and I don't expect everyone to agree - just ask that you see where I'm coming from with this.
Killzone 2 isn't the be-all-and-end-all of first person shooters. It's an amazing game, but it will surely be replaced with something even more amazing in the coming days. We just believe that it was reviewed poorly, and ask Edge to have their writing reflect their scores more clearly, even if it means being harsher with their grading scale, on top of being even more brutal, although more concise and detailed with the context of their reviews.
I also wanted to add that the comical remarks about Ben being some kid in someone's basement couldn't be further from the truth. Ben Dutka is neither a kid (he's 31), nor a scrawny, whiny kid, as I have seen implied by some, nor is he living in anyone's basement. Truth is, Ben Dutka is the Hulk. So let's not get into the personal stuff, because no one reading knows what Ben actually looks like. Some say, he's got Dual Shock analog sticks for thumbs, and Xbox analog sticks for his big toes. All I know is that he's Ben Dutka. And me having to point out that he's not a scrawny, pent up kid seems childish in a way, I'm well aware, but it seems relevant in another.
I don't know how much of this cleared anything up. Maybe I've just lit up a new fire, which isn't my intention. I wrote this with the sole purpose of dousing the flames, and have people understand that PSX Extreme is not a site for fanboys. You want some proof? Go look at my review of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - one of the biggest PlayStation 2 timed-exclusives - or read my review of MotorStorm 1 and MotorStorm 2, and then look at the review of Pure, which I scored quite a bit higher than MS2. Just because something is a first-party title, or exclusive, doesn't automatically make us defend it more than something else, and that should be made clear. We'd have made a stink about a review if the game in question was some mega third-party title and not necessarily an exclusive. While I'm in no position to make demands to Edge, I kindly ask that they treat their reviews with a bit more detail on the game, even if that means harsher content and lower scores.
P.S. Caught up with the hunger of me running on nothing but coffee...I completely forgot to mention, but intended mentioning, one important aspect to PSX Extreme. Those who have been with us know that for about three years, we also operated a sister site called Xbox Nerds. Granted, while the site wasn't anywhere near as successful as PSXE, we still tried to keep it going for as long as we could, because we genuinely like the Xbox platform as a whole and wanted to cover it, as well. We folded XBNerds last year, as with a staff of only two, focusing on a whole other manufacturer was very difficult. So again, before the fanboy comments begin to pass around, keep that in mind.
2/12/2009 Arnold Katayev
Put this on your webpage or blog:
Email this to a friend
Follow PSX Extreme on Twitter
Comments (141 posts)
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:16:54 PM
0 up, 7 down
N a S a H
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:50:17 PM
EDIT: Oh, Hey Slim :)
Last edited by N a S a H on 2/12/2009 3:50:57 PM
1 up, 0 down
wasim
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:32:14 PM
EDGE is a shame in video game media
0 up, 0 down
th0mas21
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:11:40 PM
Reply
we got your back yo :P
0 up, 0 down
Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:13:15 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
city96
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:22:26 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:25:38 PM
0 up, 0 down
ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:25:04 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:28:39 PM
Reply
//rant//
0 up, 0 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:45:07 PM
0 up, 0 down
Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:30:40 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:30:43 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:49:36 PM
0 up, 0 down
caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:23 PM
Last edited by caliblue15 on 2/12/2009 3:27:33 PM
0 up, 0 down
caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:46:07 PM
0 up, 0 down
LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:34:03 PM
Reply
1 up, 12 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:46:35 PM
0 up, 0 down
coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:47:58 PM
Edge's review of Killzone 2 did not properly or coherently reflect the 7 that it received. They have reviewed other games like Arnold mentioned and had the same complaints but those games were scored higher. If the game truly warrants a 7 in the eyes of the reviewer at Edge then his review statements should reflect the reasoning behind said score.
I think this is what Ben was getting at and Arnold is trying here to reiterate but who knows I could be wrong and everyone is just being big babies but I highly doubt the latter.
0 up, 0 down
karneli lll
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:54:13 PM
Read the first line of Ben's article before spewing verbal diarrhea
Last edited by karneli lll on 2/12/2009 2:55:23 PM
4 up, 0 down
keaton
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:34:50 PM
Reply
without looking back on the article ben wrote what i recall is he simply stated that edge gave Killzone 2 a score of 7/10 which he did not feel adequate for. he also pointed out that this might be to draw attention towards there site which pretty much everyone knows that certain sites have been known to do this once or twice and it does seem to work to a certain extent. while mentioning that some game i cannot recall and i'm sure many have never heard of scored an 8/10 while he felt that the quality of the review should be on the game and not comparing it to to another game especially of different style and gameplay
0 up, 0 down
LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:39:36 PM
Reply
Killzone 2 has intrigued me since the first REAL gameplay videos came out a while ago; it definitely looked leaps and bounds ahead of everything else on the consoles, visually at least. I tried the demo, I really liked it, and I was glad the AI wasn't too much of a pushover. So I figured I would buy it- what the hell, I don't have that many games for my PS3 anyways.
But the amount of back-and-forth garbage going on about this game has just left me with a bitter taste for this business. I'm sorry to say Ben, your behavior has pretty much dissuaded me from buying this game.
I guess my PS3 will stay unused until Infamous or Uncharted 2.
0 up, 12 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:48:36 PM
10 up, 0 down
coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:50:22 PM
1 up, 0 down
Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:53:36 PM
0 up, 0 down
LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:07 PM
Apparently you guys must have bigger balls because you blithely do whatever the site tells you to.
0 up, 4 down
Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:11 PM
5 up, 0 down
LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:01:19 PM
*shrugs*
Maybe next time Sony gets a heavily marketed AAA shooter, we can meet up in the "millions".
0 up, 5 down
www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:58:59 PM
Am not married to psx and plannin' no weddin'....we stay on here cause of the mature atmosphere.
Last edited by www on 2/12/2009 3:59:36 PM
0 up, 0 down
Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:39:55 PM
0 up, 0 down
Aftab
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:05:40 AM
0 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:45:54 AM
It was the first time I ever saw Ben say things like he did. Hell...I even called him out for it in that article in one of MY posts.
0 up, 1 down
BikerSaint
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 12:28:12 AM
If you "REALLY" let your feeling's get all hurt just by a review made towards another reviewer.
Then I wholeheartedly agree with you...... don't buy KS.........you HAVE already lost!
HELGHANS 1
YOU 0
Last edited by BikerSaint on 2/14/2009 12:28:54 AM
0 up, 0 down
Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:40:46 PM
Reply
Anyway, I don't see how anyone who actually read the Edge review could criticize Ben. It was extremely poorly written. I agree. If you're going to give a game a 7/10 score (or ANY score for that matter), then give us details about why.
5 up, 0 down
wano
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:41:33 PM
All Ben said is that it was a crap review (not a crap opinion) a lot of people just cant seem to see the difference...
0 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:56:24 AM
Now If Edge felt the need to give KZ2 a bad score to increase traffic, Ben shouldn't have said anything. 7 really wasn't that bad of a score. I played the demo and from the hype I was ready to give it a 10, but the graphics were bit of a let down to be, not much though. I understand it was a demo, but from the controls to the graphics and not having Co-op, I would give it a 8.5.
Ben had no right (well legally he did) to call Edge out the way he did. I am well aware that hes a grown man, but IMO he did act like a child.
Its like a momma's boy getting offended that kids were making fun of his mother, or even that the kids didn't think the mother's cookies that she baked was as good as the momma's boy said they were. Now tell me, if we review Gears3 and everyone on the internet gives it a 10, but we give it a 7, and an all xbox site attacks PSX much like how Ben did, wouldn't we all call them "childish fanboys?"
I still respect and like Ben, its just I think he deserves all the negative attention hes getting. I mean com'on...the guy did shoot himself in the foot.
0 up, 2 down
Jordahn
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:40:59 PM
Reply
1 up, 0 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:42:00 PM
Reply
Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 2/12/2009 2:42:18 PM
6 up, 1 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:59:38 AM
Killzone got a bad review, so Ben jumped all over it. Just think about how that looks to other people.
0 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:42:35 PM
Reply
//sarcasm// but yeah ben seems unprofesional for calling out a magazine that contradicts itself in its own writing and score //sarcasm//
1 up, 1 down
tramp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:51:59 PM
Reply
the whole point of reviewing something is it give the consumer an idea of what their buying,so maybe they should start being a little helpful...any time now??
2 up, 0 down
tramp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:52:15 PM
Reply
Last edited by tramp on 2/12/2009 2:52:46 PM
1 up, 0 down
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:53:27 PM
Reply
4 up, 7 down
LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:57:35 PM
Nothing personal against Ben, I just think in this particular case he really overreacted.
A sedate, rational, thought-out op-ed piece might have actually gotten some headway with EDGE and made them reconsider their position. This just makes them look right.
0 up, 5 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:34:16 PM
Which comes across professional?
2 up, 0 down
Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:03:55 PM
Q!
"i aM hOMe"
1 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:07:46 AM
@ Qubex
I understand what you're saying buddy, but since he HAS lost it, his views have narrowed. Its like month after month he seems more aggressive to how others see the PS3. Too many rants as full Articles IMO. Maybe the guy needs a vacation?
And to whoever said he owes Edge an apology, I agree.
Last edited by PS3_Wizard on 2/13/2009 9:08:38 AM
0 up, 2 down
keaton
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:55:39 PM
Reply
i would also like to mention i've played through the demo twice now and the 2nd time was a lot better for some reason
0 up, 0 down
coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:31 PM
Reply
If Edge was just trying to make a name for themselves and get some attention from the gaming community then all we are doing is playing right into their little plot and generating such a stir that this could garner mainstream media attention in turn putting Edge on the map in a big way but in turn with the subject at hand also pushing Killzone 2 into the big limelight where it will indefinitely have to live up to a score of 9+ or be deemed an instant failure
4 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:06:00 PM
2 up, 2 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:40:19 PM
This applies aswell:
"Theres a sucker born every minute!"
Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 2/12/2009 3:40:52 PM
0 up, 0 down
coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:28:59 PM
What the F*** are you talking about?
0 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:12:07 AM
Thats why I said that Ben was in the wrong for crossing the line and bashing edge for their review. All he did was prime a nuke filled with fanboy radiation to come back at him. Ben himself even looked like a fanboy, which...in a way sort of makes us all look like one.
0 up, 0 down
Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:15:32 PM
I get that you don't like Ben but I'm tired of getting blamed for sh** that isn't my fault, so do ME a favor and stop it. Neither Arnold nor Ben is going to be persuaded by personal insults against Ben, they're just going to ban you and blame me for you being here.
1 up, 0 down
MetalHead09
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:01:45 PM
Reply
in any case i keep coming back here because the way you do things and control this site. you aint fanboys and a lot of what ive read from this site over the past year maybe (im not sure) has bin slowly killing any fanboyness in me so kudos to you gents.
2 up, 1 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:14:44 AM
0 up, 0 down
big6
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:03:35 PM
Reply
Regardless, it's pretty obvious (by most people), that most online gaming sites favour the Xbox360 over the PS3. I'm sure things will turn around soon; either by just realizing it all on their own, or M$ stops paying them, or whatever.
I'm not saying, they turn into PS3 fanboys... I mean, they should just GROW THE F*CK UP and review games without bias - regardless of console. JUST LIKE HOW THIS SITE REVIEWS ALL THEIR GAMES!
8 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:07:41 PM
2 up, 0 down
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:11:52 PM
1 up, 5 down
potato
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:58:28 PM
0 up, 2 down
BikerSaint
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 1:07:56 AM
And like the saying goes,
"You can put lipstick on a pig".......
0 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:09:31 PM
Reply
didn't know this article meant so much to you...
take of it what you will I saw differently from what he wrote yet others saw it differently. thank god we are different or I would be as dilusional and stupid as you...
Last edited by food86 on 2/12/2009 3:10:17 PM
0 up, 2 down
Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:12:49 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:56:44 PM
0 up, 0 down
Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:03:59 PM
Last edited by Aftab on 2/12/2009 4:07:57 PM
0 up, 0 down
www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:08:15 PM
0 up, 0 down
Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:18:40 PM
If you want a 250g pill, put otu a 250g pill. =p
0 up, 0 down
GuernicaReborn
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:50:34 PM
0 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:19:47 AM
So its ok for Ben to attack the another site, but not for them to attack us? I think Everyone, including Ben should take a chill pill. And the professional thing for Ben to do is realize his mistake and issue an apology to Edge.
@ 250,000 mg repliers
The 250,000 is just saying that everyone is WAYYYY too worked up over it. Jeez, everyone takes things too literally.
0 up, 0 down
Daedusian
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:21:08 PM
Reply
I really feel bad for you guys.. although you are handling it quite well. The reason I say this is because I have no clue wtf people were making up in their head while reading Ben's take on EDGE's K2 review. I just don't get it!
He blatantly made it clear that the REVIEW was the reason to call upon EDGE in the first place.. not the effing score! Ben must have said 3 or 4 times in that article that he doesn't care what 'score' they give the game, so long as they give their reasoning as to why it deserved what it got. And to no surprise, there was no justification to their 'review' of the game and it's why Ben made a stand. Think of it this way, the SCORE is dependent on the REVIEW, without it, it makes NO sense!
And I'm glad he did. I know he's no fanboy and so does everyone else here who actually reads just about every one of his editorials. You can't make judgments to someone you've just met, or have read only one of his articles and then make attempts to easily (and very rudely) make assumptions about someone. It IS very childish.
I am also glad that Arnold made this article as well. It definitely was a great read. You make a lot of good points as well, adding some of your own thoughts. It definitely shows that the both of you make a great team, along with John and the others here.
And as a clarification to your intention at the end there, this SHOULD clear things up a bit, but sadly, some people have so much negativity built up in them right now that I find it hard to believe they’ll turn their opinions around. This is especially true with some of the newcomers that made their ignorant, incoherent, and lousy attempt to shut down Ben.. some of them probably being the EDGE writers themselves.
So I wish you guys the best of luck with all of this because I know it hasn’t changed my opinions or views on this site, as it shouldn’t.
Alrighty. There’s my rant.. I’m done. =)
8 up, 1 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:24:59 PM
NOW if people would only read the edge review and look at the score they would know why ben reacted towards the edge review I mean doesn't it seem unprofesional to praise the game and then knock it down with a mediocre score that does not reflect with what they said? sadly edge know most people only see numbers and runs off with them. wish people would read more.....
//rant//
Last edited by food86 on 2/12/2009 3:25:31 PM
2 up, 1 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:54:36 PM
The original members were awesome here. Im not one of them but as this site blew up a lot of bad apples found their way here. I loved how members tended to have educated opinions.
@Ben
Real men stand up for what they believe in. I know its just a review but to confront a bigger entity and call em out on their professionalism is definitely admirable.
Last edited by Wage SLAVES on 2/12/2009 3:56:43 PM
2 up, 0 down
Chris_D
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 3:38:03 AM
"He blatantly made it clear that the REVIEW was the reason to call upon EDGE in the first place.. not the effing score! Ben must have said 3 or 4 times in that article that he doesn't care what 'score' they give the game, so long as they give their reasoning as to why it deserved what it got. "
From Ben's opinion piece:
"I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8."
"But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this."
"They don't lie to the consumer to get some sort of underground "elite cred." I don't care what your system is for reviewing games; if you're scoring on a scale of 1 - 10, there's no way on earth KZ2 gets a 7 in direct comparison to the other products on store shelves. I'm sorry, it just doesn't."
To Daedusian and others: did we read the same article? Ben seems quite hung up on the number '7' to me. It's no surprise that he hasn't come off well to outsiders of this site (and even some staunch members from what I can tell from the comments). PSXE has certainly got a lot of press and traffic because of Ben's article but perhaps not of the right kind. I appreciate the intent of this new article is to defend his journalistic integrity but there are times when I wonder if it's better just to admit you had a bad day and leave it at that. Respected magazines and newspapers print retractions all the time, it's hardly the end of the world.
0 up, 0 down
big6
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:16 PM
Reply
That was an angry over-generalization, regarding the M$ thing. I don't think it's that blatant. The reality is (as been pointed out by some sites), that M$ sends their boys over the the online site with presents. These include Xboxes for everyone, games, swag, etc. They get taken out to dinner and/or basketball games, and whatnot. Anyways, they do this a few times a year, and you almost feel bad for giving any Xbox game a bad review (cuz then maybe they won't come by anymore).
It's not just with the gaming community. This actually happens all the time - everywhere.
For instance, high-profile movie critics are given special attention by big movie studios when they want a "favourable" review to their (crappy, expensive) movie.
Anyways, you get the idea. I'm sorry for spouting about the "paying" comment but, like I said, it was an angry quick-response thing that I over-generalized on.
0 up, 0 down
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:39:38 PM
In these reviews they all give some reasons at least for thier preference. Granted, a lot of times they're not big deals, and don't detract from playing these games on the PS3. The PS3 is definitely hurting in the critical praise department, but I don't think it's deliberate malice on the part of the press.
1 up, 3 down
dlte
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:38:19 PM
and Digital Pimp: Really? Do you really have to say sh** like that? How about all the problems that Microsoft had and still has with the red ring of death? How about when 360's fu**ed up their discs? How'd HDDVD go? The PS3 had none of that sh**. You failed to mention that.
"The PS3 is definitely hurting in the critical praise department, but I don't think it's deliberate malice on the part of the press."
Folding@home?
Breaking SSL?
Simulating black hole collisions?
Let me see something besides Halo,L4D,and Gears; but I could always do that on a PC.
3 up, 0 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:50 PM
Reply
2 up, 2 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:36:25 PM
0 up, 2 down
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:35:40 PM
Reply
1 up, 3 down
food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:37:29 PM
0 up, 0 down
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:40:34 PM
2 up, 0 down
Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:41:34 PM
2 up, 3 down
www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:04:15 PM
0 up, 1 down
Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:04:18 PM
6 up, 0 down
Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:39:44 PM
1 up, 0 down
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:43:01 PM
Reply
I get that you don't like Ben but I'm tired of getting blamed for sh** that isn't my fault, so do ME a favor and stop it. Neither Arnold nor Ben is going to be persuaded by personal insults against Ben, they're just going to ban you and blame me for you being here."
Take this as gospel.
5 up, 5 down
Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:47:26 PM
4 up, 0 down
www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:53:06 PM
Am sorry folks but this might be the biggest prank of all time.......lmao!
0 up, 0 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:02:44 PM
0 up, 0 down
www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:46:23 PM
Reply
Regular,average minds wouldn't get wat's goin' on.If you ever been in the shoes of a hustler,a grinder.....goin' hard to get credibility,respect....should i say power...standin' outta the millions....uh....u'd know what this sh** is all about.Grow to learn,too young to understand.
PSX is the lone soldier out there,fightin' for ps3 n not followin' the crowd,that's wat's good.
2 up, 2 down
AluShady
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:55:37 PM
Reply
Everyone else is doing it. At least he provided points as to WHY he was saying what he was saying ;)
2 up, 0 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:06:14 PM
0 up, 0 down
CH1N00K
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:58:47 PM
Reply
Let it go..Edge reviewed it and gave it the mark they felt it deserved, for what ever reason. PSX reviewed it here and gave it the rating they felt it deserved. In the end it's going to be up to the consumer to wade through the BS to figure out their own opinion of the game. Me? I knew I would be buying it before I saw any of the reviews. And I still plan on buying it.
So like a sheep to the slaughter, my 60 bucks will be lining up on the release day to grab this game, with or without the rest of you.
If you are the type of person who researches a product before buying it, do you take the word of the first person who gives you their opinion? Try buying a car that way, see how far you get.
I seem to remember Ben getting some flak last spring for not giving GTAIV a 10/10 when everyone else in the industry was. Did any of you look at his review and say "Oh well if he says it's not a ten then I'm not getting it!" (I know he didn't mark it as low as a 7 but that's not really my point)And no offense Ben, I enjoy reading your reviews but you're not the only one I look at to decide if I'm getting a game...Sorry if I let you down.
;P
Plain and simple, Killzone 2 is a FPS...if you're into that genre, then you're already pretty much guaranteed to be impressed with this game, no matter what anyone else says. If you're not, then the graphics will probably wow you if the game play doesn't. If you don't think that this is your type of game..well d-uh, don't buy it...Now was that so hard?
Fanboys, get over yourselves, all that hate flaming is doing is proving to the rest of the world that gamers are immature, emotionally
stunted punks who need to get outside more...and that's the kind of thing you hear about on Fox News..and nobody wants that, because too many people who can't think for themselves watch Fox News.
Well I've said my two cents worth, I'll see you on the killing fields!
3 up, 0 down
bigrailer19
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:05:50 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:12:34 PM
Reply
Based on the demo and beta (which I've played) KZ2 is a 9+ game. Not perfect, but damn near.
Edge writes a review that's pretty far to the left of what other reviewers have written as well as what most of us have experienced.
They compounded the problem of releasing a questionable score, with shoddy journalism.
Ben called them on it.
360 fanboys who can't take shots at the game itself take shots at Ben and what they like to deem as fanboyism instead.
I still haven't heard any of Ben's detractors even TRY to claim that the Edge review is well-written. They can't.
I still say, Katt Williams was right. If you don't have haters then you're not on your job.
6 up, 0 down
Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:16:59 PM
Well said Troy, I have been looking for that but can't seem to find it anywhere!
2 up, 0 down
ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:10:49 PM
0 up, 0 down
PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:37:07 AM
0 up, 0 down
Frenchy17
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:08:11 AM
0 up, 0 down
smileys_007
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:19:49 PM
Reply
i respect your opinion against ben.. but saying that you won't buy kz2 because of ben, that's an idiotic thing to say! it's like saying that if there's a game that you want and there's someone who will criticize a game's review because of unreasonable scores, you will decide not to buy the game.. you're really an idiot! that's all i have to say..
0 up, 0 down
coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:33:22 PM
1 up, 0 down
Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:41:13 PM
Dude...am I missing something? Seems like your having conversations with yourself.
0 up, 0 down
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:58:08 PM
0 up, 0 down
WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:40:56 PM
Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 2/12/2009 5:41:11 PM
0 up, 0 down
Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:26:06 PM
-- Ben was here
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 2/12/2009 4:33:16 PM
0 up, 0 down
Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:29:08 PM
Reply
Last edited by Dustinwp on 2/12/2009 4:36:04 PM
2 up, 0 down
Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:08:45 PM
Reply
"Your a nobody, so who cares what you think."
Last edited by Dustinwp on 2/12/2009 5:11:01 PM
0 up, 0 down
WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:39:28 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
mastiffchild
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:55:37 PM
Reply
First off Edge are by no means paid up or paid for 360 fanboys-they just aren't or would Mass Effect be wearing it's very own seven with such pride?
The truth is far duller but less slanted. They often savage a big game or exclusive(Mirror's Edge-funny when they always hammer games for lack of innovation but still-got a five, R2 got a six and the list goes on...)against the grain of apparent critical opinion and this time it just happens to be a PS3 exclusive that got the treatment.
I know print magazines are falling in circulation and Edge's has been under considerable pressure so the kind of attention scores(not the reviews as they often don't really reflect the number atuck on the end)like the KZ2 one get are precious ad selling mana from heaven. The traffic through their site hit the roof and will, no doubt, have kept people buying ad space.
I don't even buy the indie cool "we mark hard and contrary for cred" argument that much. I think it's all about the bottom line of keeping the mag and site healthy by whatever means and if the odd score seems a bit low then so be it. Not biased, imo, just after hits for ad sales-I might be wrong. I may be over simplifying but I honestly can't find a better explanation for what seems from their past scores to be some kind of policy decision to occasionally, when it'll create the right stir, drop a controversial one. I just hope that next time we don't fall for it as they would be better served dropping the scores altogether as , actually,some of their guys can really write a bit.
0 up, 0 down
WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:03:10 PM
Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 2/12/2009 6:05:57 PM
0 up, 0 down
ps92117
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:14:45 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
ThePoetRazel
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:26:58 PM
Reply
Anyway, why would you write an article just to attack another site's reviews? Is there some rule that says PSXE is always right and everyone else's opinions and view points are wrong if they differ?
Would you like it if another game's site started writing articles about where they disagree with you?....well, this article proves that point doesn't it? you had to write a huge article defending yourselves just because of how much it hurt you to be criticized. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?
I used to have respect for this site. but lately it's starting to look a bit like Fox News, unable to understand the word hypocrite.
and btw, if you wanna see fanboys, just watch the attacks i'll get for my opinions here.
0 up, 2 down
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:43:30 PM
Secondly, at no point did anyone ever even imply, for even a brief second, that PSXE is "always right." At NO point in ANY editorial has this happened. In fact, that's not even part of any argument. Third, it was not designed to "attack" anything, it was written in the interest of the consumer, who is being deceived in our opinion (thus, the title of the previous editorial).
Fourthly and lastly, what we're going isn't a "defense" of anything. It's a clarification from both Arnold and I, which you clearly didn't read, or don't bother to acknowledge. I don't really care. To be honest, I'm sick of you popping up every single time someone says anything even remotely good about the PS3 and dropping the insinuation that we're all just a bunch of biased creeps.
FYI...not many agree with you, as evidenced by the Comments here and in my piece. Take from that what you will.
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 2/12/2009 6:45:33 PM
1 up, 0 down
ps92117
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:53:10 PM
0 up, 0 down
TEG3SH
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:56:32 PM
Reply
i love this game , i think it is awesome at first i thought the control was occurred but after setting it this game rules, my first FPS preorder ever
0 up, 0 down
Sir Shak
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:58:53 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Scarecrow
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:11:24 PM
Reply
Heh funny, that's the kind of bullsh*t you'd hear 7 year olds say.
0 up, 0 down
LightShow
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:33:20 PM
0 up, 0 down
PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:08:53 PM
Reply
1 Gametrailer
2 Gamespot
3 IGN
4 G4TV
5 1UP
all multiplat games they always show 360 covers even when they were showing a ps3 trailer/gameplay
2 up, 0 down
Rock
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:31:38 PM
Reply
They are SO SURE that we're upset by the score that they completely ignore what we're ACTUALLY talking about. -_-"
Its sad... for them, really.
1 up, 0 down
Shellshock92
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:30:56 AM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Gabriel013
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:10:53 AM
Reply
Good article Arnold though it's a shame you felt the need to write it. Seems some people are reading things in Ben's editorial which aren't there. I would have thought we'd all agree that a review and a score should be connected in some way and that fair comparison should take place against the rest of it's genre. Anything less is shoddy and unprofessional. Ben simply had the means and the conviction to say what we all thought.
I''m happy if a fairly given score happens to be low, as long as the meat of the review justifies it. THAT is the callout Ben was making, not the fact that the score given lower than many may have expected.
Last edited by Gabriel013 on 2/13/2009 2:11:10 AM
0 up, 0 down
ceedot
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 4:06:10 AM
Reply
0 up, 1 down
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:28:37 AM
1 up, 0 down
Mole
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:53:46 AM
Reply
You can never please anyone. I played the demo for Killzone 2 and Fear 2, even though KZ2 is FARRRRRRRR shorter, and I'm getting upset by this two gun rule nowadays, I enjoyed the mechanics better and paid it off one time at *GASP* Gamestop. *I wanted to get the deluxe Street Fighter IV but it seems it has sold out but that is another story*.
It also shows the character of the people behind the scenes by this article. Obviously by backing Ben, you believe in the guy and in his reviews whether or not you may agree with some of the content.
Edge is just some OTHER company who has their own opinions. It's not like every review is golden. There were people who said if you owned the Bioshock for 360 made no sense to buy it for the PS3. I have it for both, I have my figurine and I beat it on the PS3...not even halfway on the 360 dont really sure why. Good job guys.
0 up, 0 down
Banky A
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 3:15:23 PM
Reply
xD
1 up, 0 down
miro_the_cat
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 3:33:15 PM
Reply
Its interesting to me that Ben is being called "childish" actually. In a sense he is.... in that when he is expressing "fanboy" comments, he usually points out quite openly that this is what he is doing - in a naive, childish kind of way,
From what I read, most sites take a much more "adult" approach - you know: saying one thing and meaning another. Pretending to objectivity, but all the while feeding subjective fuel to the flames of one after another anti-ps3 diatribes.
Comes to something anyway when you can't express like for something ps3 (openly) without it causing such rage. Seems only backhanded compliments and other underhand reportage is acceptable nowadays.
Hey ho, so it goes...
1 up, 0 down
tlpn99
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 4:20:59 PM
Reply
@ Worldendswithme I challenge you to a duel *slap slap across both face cheeks with a glove* lol only kdding dude I dont think your fanboy. Just thought it would lighten the mood somewhat or I was hoping to.
I will end by saying this I have been here now since 2006 (I checked the other day) and have posted on here in the comments bit since it was available and I realised I could and recently in the forums (Arnold I am plugging the forums here lol, upto 76 posts I believe) anyhow I dont want to say this as I found myself saying it a lot a while back. I have both machines PS3/360 I am not a fanboy. I am merely a fan of games. I got my 360 for Halo, PS3 for MGS4 and I admit saying this to friends before I even bought the machines that was the reason why I was getting both machines which have good and bad points.
I do not like my 360 any less than I do my PS3. Far from it I love both my machines equally. Granted my games I tend to buy for my PS3 a lot (unless they are 360 exclusives) because of the free online play. If Microsoft did this I would sure be in a pickle which machine to buy and play the games for as I like them both the same.
Ben/Arnold and the others great site, love it been here for ages and will continue to be.
P.S I used to love Xboxnerds too and used to go there also, shame it had to close but thats life.
0 up, 0 down
Robochic
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:01:41 PM
Reply
0 up, 0 down
Kangasfwa
Sunday, February 15, 2009 @ 1:21:13 AM
Reply
Being attacked like this simply proves his previous articles about the PS3 hate that is in the gaming media. Ben himself has written several articles about how fanboys cheapen the industry as whole, saying this: "You know, [faboyism] is the reason why I'm oftentimes embarrassed to say I'm a video games reporter amongst other journalists." (taken from the article: "PS3 Hate Boils Over, Fanboy "Journalists" Embarrass The Industry")
A whole lot of people need to read Ben's "Taking the Zen Approach" article. Calm down, and remember why we game in the first place.
0 up, 0 down
N a S a H
Reply
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:10:17 PM