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Killzone 2, Edge Review...Everyone Breathe

Over the past couple of days, Ben's editorial has made the rounds with the online gaming community. It's hit various feeds on Twitter, a few other gaming sites, and even a podcast. Generally, the response to Ben's Killzone 2 Edge piece has been met with heavy criticism. As such, as the Co-founder and Executive Editor of the site, I've found myself in a weird position. For the 10 years I've been at the helm of PSXE, I don't believe we've ever once been called a fanboy site. Yes, it is a Sony centric site, but every editor here has always been hired on the basis of being open minded about their gaming views; it's been that way for a while now.

Granted, when the site was just launched I was much younger, so the quality of work you'll find if you start digging around to prove me wrong is separated by a timespan of 10 years. In any case, I'd just like to point some things out about Ben Dutka, while at the same time clarifying some others. It's important to know that despite Ben's passionate editorials, he was hired to write for PSX Extreme as an owner of an Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 2, the latter of which had been largely sidelined by him after his HD acquisition.

Ben has sung nothing but high praises for the Xbox 360, and has tried to convince me numerous times to buy one. Ben's logged as many hours on his Xbox 360 last year as he has his PlayStation 3. With games like Lost Odyssey, Left 4 Dead, and especially Gears of War 2, I still have to decline Ben's persuasion largely because I feel like I won't play the machine that much. Gaming has become more of my job than it has my hobby, and if I need to experience and compare a multiplatform game I have Xbox 360 access at my best-friend's house.

Nobody who's deemed a fanboy would continuously try to convince me to buy the PlayStation 3's biggest rival; it is simply not the way of the fanboy. Ben has repeatedly mentioned that Gears of War 2 is his second game of the year title for 2008, yes, putting it above his love for Resistance 2. And even then, Ben has a reservation or two, feeling that in some cases maybe Gears of War 2 is his GOTY? And that would mean, *gasp*, putting it above Metal Gear Solid 4. So let's just say that Ben's GOTY is a tie between the biggest Xbox 360 game of 2008, and the biggest PlayStation 3 game of 2008.

I've been around plenty of fanboys in the past, and I can attest that Ben is not one of them. That is simply not how we hire people around here. His passionate stand against Edge was misinterpreted by many as lacking integrity and the wrong way for gaming journalism. And I believe that a lot of the negativity comes from people who simply don't know enough about Ben's gaming habits. His response to Edge's review may not have dissected their Killzone 2 piece by pointing out its faults, but that's largely because it was a quick article where Ben just wanted to get a message across...looks like it worked. I've read the Killzone 2 review myself, and believe me, it'd be easy for anyone to point out the obvious flaws in it - the most obvious being that they complain about things in KZ2 that other games like COD4, Gears of War 2, and Halo 3 got passes for. The other major complaint being that they spent, essentially, one tiny, closing paragraph remarking how nice the multiplayer was.

Don't get what I'm saying wrong. I honestly couldn't care less if Edge gave Killzone 2 a 3, I'd just prefer that they wrote a review that matched the score. Instead, the context of the review seemed to dance around with cleverly constructed quips and such, with an entire page dedicated solely to the opening bit of the game. Give us legitimate reasons why you didn't enjoy Killzone 2 as much as others did, Edge. Don't list reasons that you've given other games passes for. And I know that I shouldn't bring up other reviews because different people review different games. But collectively, they are reviewing these games representing one sole publication, so the review process should have some sort of consistency that reflects how they've judged games in the past. That's just me, though, and I don't expect everyone to agree - just ask that you see where I'm coming from with this.

Killzone 2 isn't the be-all-and-end-all of first person shooters. It's an amazing game, but it will surely be replaced with something even more amazing in the coming days. We just believe that it was reviewed poorly, and ask Edge to have their writing reflect their scores more clearly, even if it means being harsher with their grading scale, on top of being even more brutal, although more concise and detailed with the context of their reviews.

I also wanted to add that the comical remarks about Ben being some kid in someone's basement couldn't be further from the truth. Ben Dutka is neither a kid (he's 31), nor a scrawny, whiny kid, as I have seen implied by some, nor is he living in anyone's basement. Truth is, Ben Dutka is the Hulk. So let's not get into the personal stuff, because no one reading knows what Ben actually looks like. Some say, he's got Dual Shock analog sticks for thumbs, and Xbox analog sticks for his big toes. All I know is that he's Ben Dutka. And me having to point out that he's not a scrawny, pent up kid seems childish in a way, I'm well aware, but it seems relevant in another.

I don't know how much of this cleared anything up. Maybe I've just lit up a new fire, which isn't my intention. I wrote this with the sole purpose of dousing the flames, and have people understand that PSX Extreme is not a site for fanboys. You want some proof? Go look at my review of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - one of the biggest PlayStation 2 timed-exclusives - or read my review of MotorStorm 1 and MotorStorm 2, and then look at the review of Pure, which I scored quite a bit higher than MS2. Just because something is a first-party title, or exclusive, doesn't automatically make us defend it more than something else, and that should be made clear. We'd have made a stink about a review if the game in question was some mega third-party title and not necessarily an exclusive. While I'm in no position to make demands to Edge, I kindly ask that they treat their reviews with a bit more detail on the game, even if that means harsher content and lower scores.

P.S. Caught up with the hunger of me running on nothing but coffee...I completely forgot to mention, but intended mentioning, one important aspect to PSX Extreme. Those who have been with us know that for about three years, we also operated a sister site called Xbox Nerds. Granted, while the site wasn't anywhere near as successful as PSXE, we still tried to keep it going for as long as we could, because we genuinely like the Xbox platform as a whole and wanted to cover it, as well. We folded XBNerds last year, as with a staff of only two, focusing on a whole other manufacturer was very difficult. So again, before the fanboy comments begin to pass around, keep that in mind.

2/12/2009 Arnold Katayev

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Comments (141 posts)

N a S a H
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:10:17 PM
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Well said Arnold.

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Godslim
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:15:53 PM

Nasah!!!

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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:16:54 PM

Not really. This "article" is the equivalent of a puff a smoke in a magic act. He painted Ben as not being a fanboy, when that was the lesser problem of his irate Op-Ed piece.

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N a S a H
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:50:17 PM

WOW dude, I've been on this website for a very long time and I KNOW Ben isn't a fanboy, and no staff are either. I didn't need this article to tell me he isn't. Seriously, GTFO.

EDIT: Oh, Hey Slim :)

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wasim
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:32:14 PM

EDGE should be perma banned

EDGE is a shame in video game media

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th0mas21
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:11:40 PM
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wow was his comments getting big attention!? haha awsome : ) i had no idea. well ionly have a few seconds so i will say this: i keep coming back because i enjoy how you guys run your stuff. keep it up and good work you guys... anyways any publicity (sp?) is good right? oh well.
we got your back yo :P

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Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:13:15 PM
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Very well said indeed Arnold, my sentiments exactly which I tried to convey in my comment on the article.

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city96
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:22:26 PM
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Edge are 360 fanboys same as Gametrailers and IGN and some others

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Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:25:38 PM

yes, every site is a 360 fanboy site except here.

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:25:04 PM
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I added an update to the bottom of the editorial.

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:28:39 PM
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man I was writing left and right in n4g defending the honor of ben as a writer. glad to see arnold showing some support and what ben wrote is not out of the ordinary. and people all over the web are saying ps fanboys are the worst and they even singled out ps3 owners as fanboys in a podcast while not mentioning xbox 36o fanboys. in my opinion ps3 in some peoples eyes finally has something worth or better than the xboxes top games (not my opinion) and i don't blame them if they feel the need to support killzone and try to make people see how unfair it is to give it a 7 of 10 when 90 percent of other sites gave it higher. if u ask me edge seems like the bad person here, but yet we as ps3 owners are seen as being the bad people for bashing edge and asking for the respect killzone 2 surely deserves.

//rant//

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:45:07 PM

And to correct EDGE's bad review, you just HAVE to be a fanboy. Without basis or taking heed to the argument posed. Its sad really. If you question=fanboy...

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Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:30:40 PM
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That was a damn fine editorial and i totally agree with your take on Edges review. Well written, great read.

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:30:43 PM
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can someone please submit this article to n4g? I can't do it since I didn't pass the test for approving articles and news. =(

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caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:49:36 PM

Just submitted it, up to approval now..

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caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:23 PM

approved.

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caliblue15
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:46:07 PM

And now on the front page. Your welcome.

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:34:03 PM
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Ben may not be a child, but he surely acted like one. Calling out another reviewer on his own subjective view of the game and then laying out how only your view of the game is objective and how Killzone 2 was "The Godfather" of games - unprofessional to say the least.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:46:35 PM

Reviews shouldn't be entirely subjective. That was the error.

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coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:47:58 PM

I honestly think what Ben was calling foul on was what Arnold is stating here. And that is:

Edge's review of Killzone 2 did not properly or coherently reflect the 7 that it received. They have reviewed other games like Arnold mentioned and had the same complaints but those games were scored higher. If the game truly warrants a 7 in the eyes of the reviewer at Edge then his review statements should reflect the reasoning behind said score.

I think this is what Ben was getting at and Arnold is trying here to reiterate but who knows I could be wrong and everyone is just being big babies but I highly doubt the latter.

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karneli lll
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:54:13 PM

@lyle
Read the first line of Ben's article before spewing verbal diarrhea

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keaton
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:34:50 PM
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city96, i would not say gametrailers or IGN is a fanboy site or at least what i've experienced with either of them...

without looking back on the article ben wrote what i recall is he simply stated that edge gave Killzone 2 a score of 7/10 which he did not feel adequate for. he also pointed out that this might be to draw attention towards there site which pretty much everyone knows that certain sites have been known to do this once or twice and it does seem to work to a certain extent. while mentioning that some game i cannot recall and i'm sure many have never heard of scored an 8/10 while he felt that the quality of the review should be on the game and not comparing it to to another game especially of different style and gameplay

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:39:36 PM
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I love my PS3. I honestly wish I had more games to play for it. So I was a little disappointed when I saw the amount of vitriol Ben was showing to EDGE and to people who disagreed with him on the forums on the subject of Killzone 2.
Killzone 2 has intrigued me since the first REAL gameplay videos came out a while ago; it definitely looked leaps and bounds ahead of everything else on the consoles, visually at least. I tried the demo, I really liked it, and I was glad the AI wasn't too much of a pushover. So I figured I would buy it- what the hell, I don't have that many games for my PS3 anyways.

But the amount of back-and-forth garbage going on about this game has just left me with a bitter taste for this business. I'm sorry to say Ben, your behavior has pretty much dissuaded me from buying this game.

I guess my PS3 will stay unused until Infamous or Uncharted 2.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:48:36 PM

Dude grow a PAIR and make your own decisions. No one should make you WANT or REFUSE a game. Your no gamer.

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coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:50:22 PM

You being swayed in one direction or another about buying a game based on what a person feels about another person's review of the game and then the anger that person feels over it lends to some deep seated psychological issues.

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Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:53:36 PM

The fact that you let this get to you to the point that it will make you miss out on a great experience as a gamer tells me that you have some serious issues man. See the picture above, I suggest you take a good look at it.

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:07 PM

Plenty of things can turn you off from a purchase. What does this have to do with "growing a pair"?
Apparently you guys must have bigger balls because you blithely do whatever the site tells you to.

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Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:11 PM

Good, i won't have to play with your sorry @$$ on Killzone. A game like Killzone is going to to have millions of players, its good to get rid of the trash ahead of time.

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:01:19 PM

Unfortunate. I was really looking forward to mopping the floor with you... whoever you are.
*shrugs*
Maybe next time Sony gets a heavily marketed AAA shooter, we can meet up in the "millions".

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dlte
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:50:57 PM

your loss Lyle

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:58:59 PM

Lyle,we aint no psx di** riders or anythin' but.......let's just say we luv psx.
Am not married to psx and plannin' no weddin'....we stay on here cause of the mature atmosphere.

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Xanavi23
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:39:55 PM

Lol, @ You mopping the floor with me, got no clue who you're messing with in the Shooter department.

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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:02:07 PM

That is just ridiculous!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"


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Aftab
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:05:40 AM

First the kid says he doesn't care what others say, he played the demo, so then, he supposively was getting the game. Then, Ben and Arnold emphasize journalists' responsiblity towards consumers, and suddenly the kid doesn't want to get the game, and feels the need to call OTHERS childish. Well, goodbye. You've been warned plenty.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:45:54 AM

Am I really the only one on PSX who truly loves the PS3 and thinks Ben was wrong in his "anti-Edge" article? Come on everyone, Ben was outta line...Maybe not so much as in the article, but If you read through all the comments and look for his posts, you should see a few that clearly make him look like a fanboy.

It was the first time I ever saw Ben say things like he did. Hell...I even called him out for it in that article in one of MY posts.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 12:28:12 AM

@ lyle,
If you "REALLY" let your feeling's get all hurt just by a review made towards another reviewer.

Then I wholeheartedly agree with you...... don't buy KS.........you HAVE already lost!

HELGHANS 1
YOU 0



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Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:40:46 PM
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I always wondered what happened to the Xboxnerds half of the site.

Anyway, I don't see how anyone who actually read the Edge review could criticize Ben. It was extremely poorly written. I agree. If you're going to give a game a 7/10 score (or ANY score for that matter), then give us details about why.

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:31:08 PM

True!

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wano
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:41:33 PM

Dam right Troy.

All Ben said is that it was a crap review (not a crap opinion) a lot of people just cant seem to see the difference...



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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:56:24 AM

It may have Ben true Troy, but look at it this way. Ben went out of his way to defend Killzone, much like how Josh went out of his way to defend his beloved 360 from our attacks. We all called Josh a fanboy right?

Now If Edge felt the need to give KZ2 a bad score to increase traffic, Ben shouldn't have said anything. 7 really wasn't that bad of a score. I played the demo and from the hype I was ready to give it a 10, but the graphics were bit of a let down to be, not much though. I understand it was a demo, but from the controls to the graphics and not having Co-op, I would give it a 8.5.

Ben had no right (well legally he did) to call Edge out the way he did. I am well aware that hes a grown man, but IMO he did act like a child.

Its like a momma's boy getting offended that kids were making fun of his mother, or even that the kids didn't think the mother's cookies that she baked was as good as the momma's boy said they were. Now tell me, if we review Gears3 and everyone on the internet gives it a 10, but we give it a 7, and an all xbox site attacks PSX much like how Ben did, wouldn't we all call them "childish fanboys?"

I still respect and like Ben, its just I think he deserves all the negative attention hes getting. I mean com'on...the guy did shoot himself in the foot.

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Jordahn
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:40:59 PM
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It's very obvious that people were seriously jumping to conclusions about the Edge Killzone 2 review editorial here on this site. Doing the right thing this manner will bring out the worse and the best of people. It truely exposes who the real fanboys are when you have an Xbox 360 enthusist as a gamer giving credit where credit is due and pointing out blatant misinformation when it's quite obvious. This site is the only PlayStation centric site I frequent because here facts are facts, and opinion is make out as opinion. I can respect that as true gaming journalism. I would doubt that this truthful piece wil make the rounds like the previous one, but truth has to be made known. Because as a gamer, I want to keep seeing gaming flourish as an industry without the bad apples and stigma of gaming killing fanboys.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:42:00 PM
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Only the peeps that have been following the site know where your intentions lie. Your reviews, in my experience, have been accurate and impartial. This and gametrailers are the only sites I roll with.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:59:38 AM

True dat Wage, but we aren't talking about reviews are we? We are talking about Ben getting outta line and attacking another site, while DEFENDING Killzone 2. I think what we hate about fanboys is the fact that they blindly defend what they love.

Killzone got a bad review, so Ben jumped all over it. Just think about how that looks to other people.

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:42:35 PM
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imo edge seemed more unprofesional I MEAN READ THE GOD DAMN REVEIW!!!!!!!!!! and tell me if the 7/10 match what they said, heck after reading I imagined it would be in the top 9's or no less than 9. this just goes to show some people don't read and just look at numbers.
//sarcasm// but yeah ben seems unprofesional for calling out a magazine that contradicts itself in its own writing and score //sarcasm//

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tramp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:51:59 PM
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personally...F**K EDGE,they were only trying to make a name sake,the western famitsu if you would.
the whole point of reviewing something is it give the consumer an idea of what their buying,so maybe they should start being a little helpful...any time now??

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tramp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:52:15 PM
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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:53:27 PM
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I honestly believe all the of negative backlash about his Op-Ed piece is based on him disqualifying the a well known, and respected gaming magazine's review of a game he hasn't even played yet. He called them liars, and accused them of short changing a major game for attention. Calling him a Fanboy is a compliment. The truth is he is unprofessional, and owes Edge magazine an apology for launching such baseless accusations.

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:57:35 PM

At least someone understands my position (in so many words).
Nothing personal against Ben, I just think in this particular case he really overreacted.

A sedate, rational, thought-out op-ed piece might have actually gotten some headway with EDGE and made them reconsider their position. This just makes them look right.

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:34:16 PM

Arnold got a final build version to review and agrees with the editorial. Edge is blatantly going against the grain and has caused the feeble to go up-in-arms over their Opinion! Read their review and I dare you to compare it to Arnold's...

Which comes across professional?

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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:03:55 PM

Ben has already commentated on how ridiculously stupid criticism of the PS3 has been generally; over the past two years anyway... he lost it to some degree... but can you blame him... he is fed up!!!

Q!

"i aM hOMe"

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:07:46 AM

Arnold and Ben are friends, so I think Ben has either played or seen Killzone in action.

@ Qubex

I understand what you're saying buddy, but since he HAS lost it, his views have narrowed. Its like month after month he seems more aggressive to how others see the PS3. Too many rants as full Articles IMO. Maybe the guy needs a vacation?

And to whoever said he owes Edge an apology, I agree.

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keaton
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:55:39 PM
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i would like to mention that it kills me when people say killzone 2 is not what its hyped to be after playing the demo lol i mean its 5 minutes long and you do not get out of it what most of the reviews are saying are exceptional about the game

i would also like to mention i've played through the demo twice now and the 2nd time was a lot better for some reason

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coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 2:56:31 PM
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Has anyone thought about this theory:

If Edge was just trying to make a name for themselves and get some attention from the gaming community then all we are doing is playing right into their little plot and generating such a stir that this could garner mainstream media attention in turn putting Edge on the map in a big way but in turn with the subject at hand also pushing Killzone 2 into the big limelight where it will indefinitely have to live up to a score of 9+ or be deemed an instant failure

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:06:00 PM

good theory but that is not a way to make a name for yourself sadly this is the way most sites and magazines follow. glad to follow this site and agree with most articles where I have never felt like they are trying to gain attention by misdirected arguments or trying to play into their own ideologies. imo psextreme states things how they are and nothing else. kudos and props and whatnot jolly old beans!!

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:40:19 PM

The old P.T. Barnum "I don't care what they say about me, just make sure they spell my name right!" theory!

This applies aswell:

"Theres a sucker born every minute!"

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coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:28:59 PM

@Bio
What the F*** are you talking about?

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:12:07 AM

Finally...Coverton is almost 100% right.

Thats why I said that Ben was in the wrong for crossing the line and bashing edge for their review. All he did was prime a nuke filled with fanboy radiation to come back at him. Ben himself even looked like a fanboy, which...in a way sort of makes us all look like one.

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Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:15:32 PM

To all the SW2 guys pulling this crap, please just knock it the F off. You're getting ME in trouble because Ben and Arnold are blaming me for all the sh** you guys are saying.

I get that you don't like Ben but I'm tired of getting blamed for sh** that isn't my fault, so do ME a favor and stop it. Neither Arnold nor Ben is going to be persuaded by personal insults against Ben, they're just going to ban you and blame me for you being here.

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MetalHead09
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:01:45 PM
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wow i read bens article and thought it was cool but had no idea it was getting so much attention lol.

in any case i keep coming back here because the way you do things and control this site. you aint fanboys and a lot of what ive read from this site over the past year maybe (im not sure) has bin slowly killing any fanboyness in me so kudos to you gents.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:14:44 AM

Metalhead, if he doesn't really come off as a child or fanboy in the article itself (although he does just a tad bit), but if you read all of the comments he's posted on that article, you will see.

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big6
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:03:35 PM
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EDGE is basically an Xbox fanboy site, masquerading as a legitimate gaming site - oh, because it covers all the consoles, and not just one. There are plenty more like them. Take Kotaku as a prime example. They're even defending EDGE's Killzone review by making people aware of it, and to basically tell them not to hate on it. So, expect Kotaku's Killzone2 review to be somewhere in the 7/10 range, and using EDGE's review as their ammo. They are such an Xbox fanboy site, but no one calls them out on it. (but me!)

Regardless, it's pretty obvious (by most people), that most online gaming sites favour the Xbox360 over the PS3. I'm sure things will turn around soon; either by just realizing it all on their own, or M$ stops paying them, or whatever.
I'm not saying, they turn into PS3 fanboys... I mean, they should just GROW THE F*CK UP and review games without bias - regardless of console. JUST LIKE HOW THIS SITE REVIEWS ALL THEIR GAMES!

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:07:41 PM

agreed someone has to point out the emperor is not wearing clothes...

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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:11:52 PM

I'll be honest with you: I've never read Edge in my life. I gave what you said some credit until you began spouting out about MS paying for reviews. I mean, do you guys honestly think s*** like this? Now all you did, was completely void your point in my mind.

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Daedusian
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:35:43 PM

totally agree with you big!

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potato
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:58:28 PM

love how you say M$ and call them fanboys while saying you aren't.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 1:07:56 AM

@Big6, Agreed!!!

And like the saying goes,
"You can put lipstick on a pig".......

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:09:31 PM
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diclaimer// to citizenkane


didn't know this article meant so much to you...
take of it what you will I saw differently from what he wrote yet others saw it differently. thank god we are different or I would be as dilusional and stupid as you...

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Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:12:49 PM
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ummm, that chill pill should be stamped 250g not 250,000mg.

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Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:56:44 PM

2.5 kg chill pill just means everybody who's been attacking psxextreme has blown everything out of proportion and really needs to chill out.

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Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:03:59 PM

Oops. Error: .25kg. Or the comma could just be decimal point, which would mean it is only 250mg pill.

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:08:15 PM

Yea Joe_III am surprised u of all ppl don't get this.

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Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:18:40 PM

i dunno what's not to get. I'm in the US, so a comma does not denote a decimal place. you don't zero to three decimals on a pillstamp. And the only companies that stamp stuff with thousands of milligrams are those fake herbalife/nature valley type supplaments...

If you want a 250g pill, put otu a 250g pill. =p

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:50:34 PM

haha I thought the same thing as soon as I saw it, that's where working in a pharmacy gets you.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:19:47 AM

@ aftab

So its ok for Ben to attack the another site, but not for them to attack us? I think Everyone, including Ben should take a chill pill. And the professional thing for Ben to do is realize his mistake and issue an apology to Edge.

@ 250,000 mg repliers

The 250,000 is just saying that everyone is WAYYYY too worked up over it. Jeez, everyone takes things too literally.

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Daedusian
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:21:08 PM
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Sorry I'm still a little angry over this, so bare with me.. ;)

I really feel bad for you guys.. although you are handling it quite well. The reason I say this is because I have no clue wtf people were making up in their head while reading Ben's take on EDGE's K2 review. I just don't get it!

He blatantly made it clear that the REVIEW was the reason to call upon EDGE in the first place.. not the effing score! Ben must have said 3 or 4 times in that article that he doesn't care what 'score' they give the game, so long as they give their reasoning as to why it deserved what it got. And to no surprise, there was no justification to their 'review' of the game and it's why Ben made a stand. Think of it this way, the SCORE is dependent on the REVIEW, without it, it makes NO sense!

And I'm glad he did. I know he's no fanboy and so does everyone else here who actually reads just about every one of his editorials. You can't make judgments to someone you've just met, or have read only one of his articles and then make attempts to easily (and very rudely) make assumptions about someone. It IS very childish.

I am also glad that Arnold made this article as well. It definitely was a great read. You make a lot of good points as well, adding some of your own thoughts. It definitely shows that the both of you make a great team, along with John and the others here.

And as a clarification to your intention at the end there, this SHOULD clear things up a bit, but sadly, some people have so much negativity built up in them right now that I find it hard to believe they’ll turn their opinions around. This is especially true with some of the newcomers that made their ignorant, incoherent, and lousy attempt to shut down Ben.. some of them probably being the EDGE writers themselves.

So I wish you guys the best of luck with all of this because I know it hasn’t changed my opinions or views on this site, as it shouldn’t.

Alrighty. There’s my rant.. I’m done. =)

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:24:59 PM

my opinion towards ben has not changed either I agree with ben and arnold 100 percent

NOW if people would only read the edge review and look at the score they would know why ben reacted towards the edge review I mean doesn't it seem unprofesional to praise the game and then knock it down with a mediocre score that does not reflect with what they said? sadly edge know most people only see numbers and runs off with them. wish people would read more.....

//rant//

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:54:36 PM

@Daedusian

The original members were awesome here. Im not one of them but as this site blew up a lot of bad apples found their way here. I loved how members tended to have educated opinions.

@Ben

Real men stand up for what they believe in. I know its just a review but to confront a bigger entity and call em out on their professionalism is definitely admirable.

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Chris_D
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 3:38:03 AM

Daedusian says above:
"He blatantly made it clear that the REVIEW was the reason to call upon EDGE in the first place.. not the effing score! Ben must have said 3 or 4 times in that article that he doesn't care what 'score' they give the game, so long as they give their reasoning as to why it deserved what it got. "

From Ben's opinion piece:
"I'm not linking to it; it doesn't deserve to be linked to. Let's just say Killzone 2 got a 7...and as a frame of reference, Let's Tap for the Wii got an 8."

"But this is assigning a numerical value to a game that basically says, "it's good, but there are better titles out there for your money." This...is...a...lie. That's right, a lie. Like it or not, opinions exist on a sliding scale, and we're not saying everyone is going to enjoy KZ2, but this review is akin to saying something similar about "The Godfather II" or "Citizen Kane." We all know that Guerilla's title is one of the best FPSs ever made; anyone who knows this industry and has a functioning brain will admit to this."

"They don't lie to the consumer to get some sort of underground "elite cred." I don't care what your system is for reviewing games; if you're scoring on a scale of 1 - 10, there's no way on earth KZ2 gets a 7 in direct comparison to the other products on store shelves. I'm sorry, it just doesn't."

To Daedusian and others: did we read the same article? Ben seems quite hung up on the number '7' to me. It's no surprise that he hasn't come off well to outsiders of this site (and even some staunch members from what I can tell from the comments). PSXE has certainly got a lot of press and traffic because of Ben's article but perhaps not of the right kind. I appreciate the intent of this new article is to defend his journalistic integrity but there are times when I wonder if it's better just to admit you had a bad day and leave it at that. Respected magazines and newspapers print retractions all the time, it's hardly the end of the world.


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iofe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:23:53 PM
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This...is...a...lie.

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big6
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:16 PM
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@Digital Pimp:
That was an angry over-generalization, regarding the M$ thing. I don't think it's that blatant. The reality is (as been pointed out by some sites), that M$ sends their boys over the the online site with presents. These include Xboxes for everyone, games, swag, etc. They get taken out to dinner and/or basketball games, and whatnot. Anyways, they do this a few times a year, and you almost feel bad for giving any Xbox game a bad review (cuz then maybe they won't come by anymore).
It's not just with the gaming community. This actually happens all the time - everywhere.
For instance, high-profile movie critics are given special attention by big movie studios when they want a "favourable" review to their (crappy, expensive) movie.
Anyways, you get the idea. I'm sorry for spouting about the "paying" comment but, like I said, it was an angry quick-response thing that I over-generalized on.

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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:39:38 PM

Well you do have a point there. I have noticed that a lot of multiplatform games do better on the Xbox than the PS3. I think the biggest reasons are either XBL, the 36O's tighter analog controls, and most of the time, designers having an easier time developing on the 360, so there's a slight more polish on 360 games, than PS3 ones.

In these reviews they all give some reasons at least for thier preference. Granted, a lot of times they're not big deals, and don't detract from playing these games on the PS3. The PS3 is definitely hurting in the critical praise department, but I don't think it's deliberate malice on the part of the press.

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dlte
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:38:19 PM

I think you both are a little out of line, The M$ just annoys me, why put that? It's just asking for trouble.
and Digital Pimp: Really? Do you really have to say sh** like that? How about all the problems that Microsoft had and still has with the red ring of death? How about when 360's fu**ed up their discs? How'd HDDVD go? The PS3 had none of that sh**. You failed to mention that.

"The PS3 is definitely hurting in the critical praise department, but I don't think it's deliberate malice on the part of the press."
Folding@home?
Breaking SSL?
Simulating black hole collisions?

Let me see something besides Halo,L4D,and Gears; but I could always do that on a PC.

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:27:50 PM
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nice to meet you walter cronkite.... ben may have over reacted but that doesn't mean he didn't have a point... plz read the review and look at the score and tell me how they coincide?

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:36:25 PM

you should broaden your web horizons more because I saw mixed opinions certainly not one sided

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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:35:40 PM
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I still don't get how any of you can claim you agree with Ben when NONE OF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE FULL GAME. I don't get it. If I made a post about hating Killzone 2 based off of the demo, I'm sure you guys would let me have it, And you would all be right. How can you guys claim someone is right when he hasn't played the friggin' game either?

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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:37:29 PM

um my bets is he has, arnold reviewed it and certainly down the line ben must have played it

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:40:34 PM

We had the full game for a looong time.

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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:41:34 PM

His rant wasn't written like someone who had any points to make to defend the game.

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:04:15 PM

Digital Pimp,did u know that the real Ben is a hulk? He knows your IP and comin' to get u......hahahahaaa.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:04:18 PM

His point wasn't to defend the game. His point was that the quality of the journalism in the review was crappy. If Edge had written a well-thought out review with valid points that justified a 7...or even a 3, the editorial would have never been written. Again, he wasn't defending the game. He was defending gaming journalism, of which the Edge review was a piss-poor example of.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:39:44 PM

Your a nobody, so who cares what you think.

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dlte
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:52:38 PM

Troy Powers isn't a nobody.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:22:23 AM

lol, you gonna take that Troy?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:43:01 PM
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"To all the SW2 guys pulling this crap, please just knock it the F off. You're getting ME in trouble because Ben and Arnold are blaming me for all the sh** you guys are saying.

I get that you don't like Ben but I'm tired of getting blamed for sh** that isn't my fault, so do ME a favor and stop it. Neither Arnold nor Ben is going to be persuaded by personal insults against Ben, they're just going to ban you and blame me for you being here."


Take this as gospel.

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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:45:21 PM

You don't like outside opinions?

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Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:47:26 PM

Well I would hope that you guys stop blaming me for what they're saying. I'm not the one who initially brought the article to their attention, Phreak64 did. I'm not responsible for what they say or do.

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:53:06 PM

Yea dude tell'em,the REAL Ben doesn't even write articles or reviews.The Ben we've known all this while is anonymous.

Am sorry folks but this might be the biggest prank of all time.......lmao!

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:02:44 PM

Umm...Im lost can anyone fill me in?


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LyleCapua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:08:04 PM

Never thee mind.

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www
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:46:23 PM
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Hahahahaaaa,i know what Ben & Arnold are doin'....hahaha......keep up the good work.

Regular,average minds wouldn't get wat's goin' on.If you ever been in the shoes of a hustler,a grinder.....goin' hard to get credibility,respect....should i say power...standin' outta the millions....uh....u'd know what this sh** is all about.Grow to learn,too young to understand.

PSX is the lone soldier out there,fightin' for ps3 n not followin' the crowd,that's wat's good.

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AluShady
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:55:37 PM
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This kind of makes me laugh. Let Ben say what he wants to say.

Everyone else is doing it. At least he provided points as to WHY he was saying what he was saying ;)

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:06:14 PM

If you have opinions, You'd better come equipped with reasons. I take everything with a grain of salt. Im no sheep.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 3:58:47 PM
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Does anyone else besides me find it sad that the review of a game that hasn't released yet seems to be getting more hype then the game itself? Maybe this is what Sony meant by saying that they had a new advertising blitz for this game.

Let it go..Edge reviewed it and gave it the mark they felt it deserved, for what ever reason. PSX reviewed it here and gave it the rating they felt it deserved. In the end it's going to be up to the consumer to wade through the BS to figure out their own opinion of the game. Me? I knew I would be buying it before I saw any of the reviews. And I still plan on buying it.

So like a sheep to the slaughter, my 60 bucks will be lining up on the release day to grab this game, with or without the rest of you.

If you are the type of person who researches a product before buying it, do you take the word of the first person who gives you their opinion? Try buying a car that way, see how far you get.

I seem to remember Ben getting some flak last spring for not giving GTAIV a 10/10 when everyone else in the industry was. Did any of you look at his review and say "Oh well if he says it's not a ten then I'm not getting it!" (I know he didn't mark it as low as a 7 but that's not really my point)And no offense Ben, I enjoy reading your reviews but you're not the only one I look at to decide if I'm getting a game...Sorry if I let you down.
;P

Plain and simple, Killzone 2 is a FPS...if you're into that genre, then you're already pretty much guaranteed to be impressed with this game, no matter what anyone else says. If you're not, then the graphics will probably wow you if the game play doesn't. If you don't think that this is your type of game..well d-uh, don't buy it...Now was that so hard?

Fanboys, get over yourselves, all that hate flaming is doing is proving to the rest of the world that gamers are immature, emotionally
stunted punks who need to get outside more...and that's the kind of thing you hear about on Fox News..and nobody wants that, because too many people who can't think for themselves watch Fox News.

Well I've said my two cents worth, I'll see you on the killing fields!

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:05:50 PM
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PSX EXTREME ben and arnold have played this thing out so well i respect u guys even more... even though i feel like u did nothing wrong in the first place the fact that these idiots dont get what u were trying to say about the edge review, and keep hating on you, and u guys just shrug it off like u should, or maybe not shrug it off completely but let people say what they say and keep your cool is exceptionally noticed, keep doing what your doing i love it!

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Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:12:34 PM
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This is what I see:

Based on the demo and beta (which I've played) KZ2 is a 9+ game. Not perfect, but damn near.

Edge writes a review that's pretty far to the left of what other reviewers have written as well as what most of us have experienced.

They compounded the problem of releasing a questionable score, with shoddy journalism.

Ben called them on it.

360 fanboys who can't take shots at the game itself take shots at Ben and what they like to deem as fanboyism instead.

I still haven't heard any of Ben's detractors even TRY to claim that the Edge review is well-written. They can't.

I still say, Katt Williams was right. If you don't have haters then you're not on your job.

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Frenchy17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:16:59 PM

"I still haven't heard any of Ben's detractors even TRY to claim that the Edge review is well-written. They can't."


Well said Troy, I have been looking for that but can't seem to find it anywhere!

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:10:49 PM

Ahahahahahah! Holy shit, I needed that laugh. I love that dude.

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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:37:07 AM

Even so, does that make it ok to call them out? Ofcourse it only brings more attention to Edge, I don't think any Edge readers will detract from going to the site just because they gave KZ2 a bad review. So what did Ben really accomplish, besides coming to the aid of a PS3 exclusive, thus making him look like a Fanboy in the end?

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Frenchy17
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:08:11 AM

Wizard I think you are missing the point on a lot of this. You did say one thing correctly, everyone does need to chill. Move on already!

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smileys_007
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:19:49 PM
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@lylecapua

i respect your opinion against ben.. but saying that you won't buy kz2 because of ben, that's an idiotic thing to say! it's like saying that if there's a game that you want and there's someone who will criticize a game's review because of unreasonable scores, you will decide not to buy the game.. you're really an idiot! that's all i have to say..

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coverton341
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:33:22 PM

one quick question what is SW2 and who are the SW2 guys? and how are they making Bio look bad? I am sorry I just really don't get it

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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:41:13 PM

@Bio

Dude...am I missing something? Seems like your having conversations with yourself.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:58:08 PM

Just ignore it. We'll deal with it internally.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:40:56 PM

Bio is the enemy of the forums, a messenger of hate who was an employee at one time and has a personal vendetta.

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Sir Shak
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:51:50 PM

Ryan ?

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Bio
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:26:06 PM

"Basically, Bio is just repeating the message that all SW2 members need to stay OUT. ...as if we can't recognize them."

-- Ben was here

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Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:29:08 PM
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I have major respect for this site and it's writers. I feel the same way on these issues as Ben. If I had the public forum to write my own editorial about the Edge reviews it would have turned out just like Ben's. I have Ben and Arnold's back on issues like this, because they say what a lot of gamers wish they could say on a public forum to the gaming community. Thank you, Ben and Arnold for standing up for the things a lot of gamers are passionate about.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:08:45 PM
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@dlte I made this comment further up and it was in response to Digital Pimp.

"Your a nobody, so who cares what you think."

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:39:28 PM
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This is most excellent, but I am an individual who lacks self awareness. You all know me so I put forth a challenge, do you think I'm a fanboy?

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mastiffchild
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:55:37 PM
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What is sad is that everyone fell into Edge's trap and they got more than I suspect even they expected, and they've done this kind of thing before too.
First off Edge are by no means paid up or paid for 360 fanboys-they just aren't or would Mass Effect be wearing it's very own seven with such pride?
The truth is far duller but less slanted. They often savage a big game or exclusive(Mirror's Edge-funny when they always hammer games for lack of innovation but still-got a five, R2 got a six and the list goes on...)against the grain of apparent critical opinion and this time it just happens to be a PS3 exclusive that got the treatment.
I know print magazines are falling in circulation and Edge's has been under considerable pressure so the kind of attention scores(not the reviews as they often don't really reflect the number atuck on the end)like the KZ2 one get are precious ad selling mana from heaven. The traffic through their site hit the roof and will, no doubt, have kept people buying ad space.
I don't even buy the indie cool "we mark hard and contrary for cred" argument that much. I think it's all about the bottom line of keeping the mag and site healthy by whatever means and if the odd score seems a bit low then so be it. Not biased, imo, just after hits for ad sales-I might be wrong. I may be over simplifying but I honestly can't find a better explanation for what seems from their past scores to be some kind of policy decision to occasionally, when it'll create the right stir, drop a controversial one. I just hope that next time we don't fall for it as they would be better served dropping the scores altogether as , actually,some of their guys can really write a bit.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:03:10 PM

a first person platformer aught to have at least garnered more praise by all, it is very innovative. I didn't dig it, but that means nothing because I am a single person, the critics that cry out about innovation need to take notice when it comes. Mirror's Edge was massive in it's very own little respect, PSN titles are massive in their own little respect. To judge gaming on this and then turn around to F the devs in the ass is a Nazi goose-step. Plain and simple. There was a leap forward in platformers, who the hell knows if it'll catch on but the game is not horseshit.

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ps92117
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:14:45 PM
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I was trying to defend ben after I saw some stuff bout him on n4g, though I was rather late to the party. lol though I only talked bout how he defended gow2 and j360. Though I have not been here long overall I have been here long enough to say ben is no fanboy and my opinion won't be changed by a review of ben no matter how low he scores. lol

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ThePoetRazel
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:26:58 PM
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Didn't you expect to be called a fanboy site after the tonne of articles about how wonderful the PS3 is that have appeared on this site over the past few months?
Anyway, why would you write an article just to attack another site's reviews? Is there some rule that says PSXE is always right and everyone else's opinions and view points are wrong if they differ?
Would you like it if another game's site started writing articles about where they disagree with you?....well, this article proves that point doesn't it? you had to write a huge article defending yourselves just because of how much it hurt you to be criticized. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?
I used to have respect for this site. but lately it's starting to look a bit like Fox News, unable to understand the word hypocrite.
and btw, if you wanna see fanboys, just watch the attacks i'll get for my opinions here.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:43:30 PM

There aren't a "ton" of articles about how "great the PS3 is." If any exist at all, it's to point out something specific in response to certain news the machine is getting. Sites do this. It's called coverage.

Secondly, at no point did anyone ever even imply, for even a brief second, that PSXE is "always right." At NO point in ANY editorial has this happened. In fact, that's not even part of any argument. Third, it was not designed to "attack" anything, it was written in the interest of the consumer, who is being deceived in our opinion (thus, the title of the previous editorial).

Fourthly and lastly, what we're going isn't a "defense" of anything. It's a clarification from both Arnold and I, which you clearly didn't read, or don't bother to acknowledge. I don't really care. To be honest, I'm sick of you popping up every single time someone says anything even remotely good about the PS3 and dropping the insinuation that we're all just a bunch of biased creeps.

FYI...not many agree with you, as evidenced by the Comments here and in my piece. Take from that what you will.

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ps92117
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:53:10 PM

lol man, lots have started to criticise psx, with your logic you could also say that those who criticised psx are doing something wrong including you, so ask you a question do you like the comments that follows yours, are they ignorant comments, are we fanboys just a bunch of retards to you, are you smarter than us, if MOST of us disagree with you are we wrong or is it just are opinion?

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TEG3SH
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:56:32 PM
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too drunk to read even urs arnold, but this is coming from a guy who hates FPS other than BIOSHOCK, COD4.
i love this game , i think it is awesome at first i thought the control was occurred but after setting it this game rules, my first FPS preorder ever

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Sir Shak
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:58:53 PM
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You got some good things to say Arnold but people seem to turn a blind eye towards the truth these days .

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Scarecrow
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:11:24 PM
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So just because it's centered around ONE console it's a fanboy site?

Heh funny, that's the kind of bullsh*t you'd hear 7 year olds say.

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LightShow
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:33:20 PM

well, technically it covers four consoles, with one out of production =D

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PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:08:53 PM
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Top five Fanboy sites
1 Gametrailer
2 Gamespot
3 IGN
4 G4TV
5 1UP
all multiplat games they always show 360 covers even when they were showing a ps3 trailer/gameplay

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Rock
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:31:38 PM
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I find it funny how no one has YET to properly defend Edge's review(not the score... the REVIEW).

They are SO SURE that we're upset by the score that they completely ignore what we're ACTUALLY talking about. -_-"

Its sad... for them, really.

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Shellshock92
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:30:56 AM
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You guys keep it real,Powers is MVP of this comment page,WOOP WOOP!! way to spit game and shut the fanboys up!!!

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Gabriel013
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:10:53 AM
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well, wow.

Good article Arnold though it's a shame you felt the need to write it. Seems some people are reading things in Ben's editorial which aren't there. I would have thought we'd all agree that a review and a score should be connected in some way and that fair comparison should take place against the rest of it's genre. Anything less is shoddy and unprofessional. Ben simply had the means and the conviction to say what we all thought.

I''m happy if a fairly given score happens to be low, as long as the meat of the review justifies it. THAT is the callout Ben was making, not the fact that the score given lower than many may have expected.

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ceedot
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 4:06:10 AM
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Dude, it's not about the 360. It's about making a HUGE deal about a fine score. They didn't like the game, but gave it a high score for what they said so really, theres no excuse.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:28:37 AM

If you're not even willing to read my explanation in the other editorial, please STOP making comments that have NO bearing on ANYTHING. The very point is that 7, in direct contrast - which is all that matters - is an obnoxiously LOW score.

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Mole
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:53:46 AM
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"Hey Arnold" I really don't think you need to support Ben on this site because anyone who has spent ANY time reading his reviews would know how balanced he has tried to keep his reviews.

You can never please anyone. I played the demo for Killzone 2 and Fear 2, even though KZ2 is FARRRRRRRR shorter, and I'm getting upset by this two gun rule nowadays, I enjoyed the mechanics better and paid it off one time at *GASP* Gamestop. *I wanted to get the deluxe Street Fighter IV but it seems it has sold out but that is another story*.

It also shows the character of the people behind the scenes by this article. Obviously by backing Ben, you believe in the guy and in his reviews whether or not you may agree with some of the content.

Edge is just some OTHER company who has their own opinions. It's not like every review is golden. There were people who said if you owned the Bioshock for 360 made no sense to buy it for the PS3. I have it for both, I have my figurine and I beat it on the PS3...not even halfway on the 360 dont really sure why. Good job guys.

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Banky A
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 3:15:23 PM
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Where the Hell did DigitalPimp and LyleCapua spawn from? :P

xD

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miro_the_cat
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 3:33:15 PM
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omg - only just caught up with goings on here.... what a sh@t storm!!!

Its interesting to me that Ben is being called "childish" actually. In a sense he is.... in that when he is expressing "fanboy" comments, he usually points out quite openly that this is what he is doing - in a naive, childish kind of way,

From what I read, most sites take a much more "adult" approach - you know: saying one thing and meaning another. Pretending to objectivity, but all the while feeding subjective fuel to the flames of one after another anti-ps3 diatribes.

Comes to something anyway when you can't express like for something ps3 (openly) without it causing such rage. Seems only backhanded compliments and other underhand reportage is acceptable nowadays.


Hey ho, so it goes...

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tlpn99
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 4:20:59 PM
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I am gonna make my Sackboy on LBP the Ben that is crying to get out the huge hulk that he is. lol.

@ Worldendswithme I challenge you to a duel *slap slap across both face cheeks with a glove* lol only kdding dude I dont think your fanboy. Just thought it would lighten the mood somewhat or I was hoping to.

I will end by saying this I have been here now since 2006 (I checked the other day) and have posted on here in the comments bit since it was available and I realised I could and recently in the forums (Arnold I am plugging the forums here lol, upto 76 posts I believe) anyhow I dont want to say this as I found myself saying it a lot a while back. I have both machines PS3/360 I am not a fanboy. I am merely a fan of games. I got my 360 for Halo, PS3 for MGS4 and I admit saying this to friends before I even bought the machines that was the reason why I was getting both machines which have good and bad points.

I do not like my 360 any less than I do my PS3. Far from it I love both my machines equally. Granted my games I tend to buy for my PS3 a lot (unless they are 360 exclusives) because of the free online play. If Microsoft did this I would sure be in a pickle which machine to buy and play the games for as I like them both the same.

Ben/Arnold and the others great site, love it been here for ages and will continue to be.
P.S I used to love Xboxnerds too and used to go there also, shame it had to close but thats life.

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Robochic
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:01:41 PM
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I do believe people don't read the whole article before commenting. I have read both ben's/arnolds and the edge website and i see where ben and arnold are coming from it's not the game review it's the review doesn't meet or make sense for the number it was given. Heck i didn't even understand the review edge gave it, the reason why i like this website is because it's not all fanboyish many of us have either a 360/ps3 combo or a Wii/ps3 combo or well you get the idea basically we all have one thing in common on this website and it's we are all gamers not fanboys yes some come on here and stir the pot a little but arnold and ben make sure they are removed or warned i don't think i have been on a website that has admins so Passionate about their website. I commend ben and arnold on a great website.

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Kangasfwa
Sunday, February 15, 2009 @ 1:21:13 AM
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Ben was trying to point out yet another case of bad gaming journalism. Nothing more.

Being attacked like this simply proves his previous articles about the PS3 hate that is in the gaming media. Ben himself has written several articles about how fanboys cheapen the industry as whole, saying this: "You know, [faboyism] is the reason why I'm oftentimes embarrassed to say I'm a video games reporter amongst other journalists." (taken from the article: "PS3 Hate Boils Over, Fanboy "Journalists" Embarrass The Industry")

A whole lot of people need to read Ben's "Taking the Zen Approach" article. Calm down, and remember why we game in the first place.

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