Killzone 2/Edge Upheaval: Snuffing Out The Flames
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View Large ImageIn the same way that people make rash assumptions based on the name of this site without actually reading any of it, the same phenomenon applies to reviews. Look, we all know that the text isn't want matters to most consumers. It's the final number. It's the average review score posted at GameRankings and Metacritic. It's what most all avid gamers use to dictate their purchases. Now, I am well aware that Edge emphasizes "innovation," but the reason I call that an elitist stance and one that is indeed a disservice for gamers is that they still use the standard scoring style. It's a terrible contrast. A 7, no matter how you slice it, is not indicative of Killzone 2's quality. It may gel with other scores from that publication, but we all know it will be compared to all other scores, we all know the final number is all that matters, and it's unfair to the product in question. I was asked if I would be that upset if they had scored a game on another platform in the same way, and the answer should be clear. Of course.
I never once said our review was "right." I said they lied, and I was not specifically talking about the text review. When one looks at the entire scope of the matter and factors that 7 into the rest of the ranks, the reality of the matter is this: that's basically being dishonest to those who rely on scores to solidify their purchase decision. The idea that I wrote the piece to generate traffic is incorrect. The idea that I wrote it because I desperately wanted to defend a PlayStation 3 exclusive is incorrect. The only purpose was to stand up for the consumer; for the people that would e-mail me and say, "hey, I just saw that Killzone 2 got a 7 from Edge...I thought it was a must-buy for me, but now I'm thinking twice..." This is the effect such a review can have, and yes, I'm indignant. I will admit my tone was probably too harsh, and it's not my proudest moment in my writing career (which, by the way, has extended far beyond this industry). But I'm not backing down from the title and primary purpose of that article.
You may believe what you wish, but I was looking out for the gamer. For the dude that may have opted to pass on KZ2 because of the disservice I spoke of. It is our job to provide our readers and the gaming public with reliable information concerning new releases. If Edge wants to be different, fine. But don't bother to issue a score; heck, that'll probably make people read your review. And I've always had a problem with the elitists who say a game isn't worth owning because it doesn't "innovate." I'm so sick of that word, I could just choke. The industry continues to innovate in some way each and every year and it's virtually impossible for every last major release to feature something we've never seen before. I wouldn't ask that, and nobody should. Here's what we care about: is the game of a high quality and do we think players will have fun? That's it. We'll look at a variety of different factors like all other sources, of course, but the end result should is the score. It's the number that is supposed to serve the consumer, regardless of your publication's goals.
That's the best I can do. PSX Extreme has, and will continue to be, your #1 source for the best in PlayStation content. That much, I can promise. And if you have a personal problem with me, please don't infect our site by putting in the Comments or in the forums. If you want me to take your hate mail, than go ahead and send it; don't punish the site. Thank you.
EDIT: If you want to ask questions or respond in a civil manner, feel free to do so. Anyone who gets personal will be banned instantly and the Comment will be deleted. No more hostility of any kind.
2/12/2009 Ben Dutka
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Comments (136 posts)
wasim
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:31:00 PM
sooo much hate
Gears 2 - 9/10
Ninja flop gaiden 2 , viva crap, banjo crappor got 8 from EDGE
On the other hand
R1 -7/10
R2 - 6/10
KZ2 - 7/10
Flower also got 7/10 from that MICROSOFT EDGE
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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:17:21 PM
Q!
"i aM hOMe"
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Totalz
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:53:33 PM
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N a S a H
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 7:15:01 PM
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Digital Pimp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:01:45 PM
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-- Ben was here
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N a S a H
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:30:31 PM
OWNED ;)
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AluShady
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:04:36 PM
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Honestly this is just one more thing that's going to blow over in due time.
I'm glad you said what you said. I could tell eventually it was frustrating you in the comments section though. People most of the time don't understand text as well as face to face verbal communication. Maybe something was lost in translation.
I'll still be frequenting the site. It's the best I've come across.
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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:31:25 PM
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CH1N00K
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:06:18 PM
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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:19:03 PM
Q!
"i Am hOMe"
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Akuma07
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:30:28 PM
"toaster in the bathtub"
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Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:07:22 PM
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CH1N00K
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:11:19 PM
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Fatcat3788
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:09:06 PM
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TroubleMaker
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:14:36 PM
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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:16:50 PM
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You guys do a better job than most sites in providing new info. everyday and its interesting, and truthful and thats why myself and everyone else comes here, as for the people who are hating, your still here too or maybe just showed up and obviously theres something about the site that pulls u in to... why your upset i dont know u keep saying people have opinions well Ben spoke his OPINION and in no way was it even criticizing EDGE. Simply Ben pointed out there review didn't coincide with the score which it didnt!
Thanks Arnold & Ben for letting us post comments on your amazing, brutally honest, up to date, and worthy site!
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Joe_III
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:19:51 PM
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aaronisbla
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:08:08 AM
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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:20:08 PM
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"i aM hOMe"
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Wage SLAVES
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:30:22 PM
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"The only purpose was to stand up for the consumer; for the people that would e-mail me and say, "hey, I just saw that Killzone 2 got a 7 from Edge...I thought it was a must-buy for me, but now I'm thinking twice...""
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Phoelix
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:33:37 PM
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It's a shame that you're having to prove yourself as not a fanboy. I think it says more about us readers than you the writer, Ben. And really, it's probably also a product of the poor quality of a lot of gaming journalism today.
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chilker
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 7:12:03 PM
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NightHawk17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:33:49 PM
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keaton
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:36:38 PM
there is little bias within the readers, and I believe Ben has done a great job to keep the biasness out of this site
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NightHawk17
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:43:13 PM
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JasperLoons
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:40:59 PM
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Anyway, I've been visiting plenty of other gaming websites and haven't seen any backlash to your article. I'm sure it will blow over before long.
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infekt
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:44:17 PM
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Qubex
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:22:21 PM
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"i Am hOMe"
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Aftab
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:11:48 PM
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I_defenestrate
Sunday, February 15, 2009 @ 10:47:50 PM
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Dustinwp
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:49:23 PM
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FLYING_APE
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:00:46 PM
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The kz2 edge review read like a rant, it really didn't tell you much about the game. GRAPHICS SOUND?
SUCK IT EDGE... DO IT
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:03:56 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:41:31 PM
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Troy Powers
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:20:33 PM
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aaronisbla
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:10:08 AM
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The_R0gue_Ninja
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 5:39:49 PM
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As for Edge's review bringing down the overall score on Metacritic and Gamerankings, I would hope most people notice that it is a statistical outlier, and judge their purchase on the other scores.
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food86
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:22:26 PM
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jdt1981
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:25:28 PM
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It's like they settled on a score first and then slapped together a "review" to try and support that score. The thing is the review lacks allot of content and details and anyone who actually reads it can see how poorly written it is. The problem is in this day and age of metacritic most people don't bother reading reviews they just glance at the overall score and then use that to weigh their decision to buy or not.
The edge review IMO was nothing more than a publicity stunt. All they did was come up with a score that they knew would turn heads and then slapped together a rant,... I mean "review" to go along with it.
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bamf
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:39:28 PM
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How would the xbots reacted if Gears 2 got a 7 from Edge? The same way the rest of us in here perhaps?
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LCF
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:42:02 PM
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Reviews IMO should be done by people that love the genre(Yes that means hiring more people). They also must own all consoles of the current gen. Make no mistake this is a JOB and if you want to be a reviewer you must own all. Unless you are a dedicated site.
To make my point from above about specific people for specific genres. If a reviewer was playing a action/adventure game and enjoyed it and gave it a postive review. I can tell you when he reviews a FPS he will still be thinking about how much he had fun with the action/adventure game and look at the FPS with those eyes. So he'll nit-pick to death and miss anything no matter how small that might actually be an improvement within the FPS genre. This can be applied to all genres.
Or come across a reviewer who has little exp. with the genre. So when he reviews that game a couple of things could happen. Like he could think that it was the most innovated thing since toasted bread and did not have the exp. to fall back on to know it was done before. On the flipside it could of not been innovative but has been polished so well that his inexperience made him miss it.
Then there is the "FANBOY". But most if not all are just inexperienced people that just blindly follow fads. 1st time I exp. "FANBOYS" was with the cabbage patch dolls during the 80's. Everywhere you turned it was in your face. Thank the lord that died. Would you pay $5,000 for one of those dolls that only took $4 to make?. Who could not forget tickle me elmo?.
I have my reasons(many of them) not to support microsoft and are real legit reasons with proof to back it. My console of choice is Sony's PS3, does that make me a fanboy? No it doesn't. I have stated many times at this site as to why I don't back microsoft. In my professional opinion I feel microsoft is hurting the gaming industry, just like everything else they touch. If the X360 was made by some other company I bet you would not see so many problems as you do today. Yes all companies have problems...but not this many, EVER!.
To recap. IMO game sites that do offical reviews should have specific people for specific genres. Would you want a mechanic to be your doctor/surgeon?. They basically do the same thing. However they only good at what they do specifically. Thats how reviewers should be with genres.
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Wage SLAVES
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:20:31 PM
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xnonsuchx
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:44:35 PM
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The_R0gue_Ninja
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 6:59:32 PM
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I used to, and still mostly do, agree totally with Game Informer's reviews. However, I have been noticing that they do, somewhat, give a game a little negative edge (no pun intended) if it does not innovate.
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Fatcat3788
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 7:03:39 PM
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jerocarson
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 7:23:41 PM
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if every gaming sites could follow this ideology, gammers wouldn't have problems, gammers wouldn't be seen as piece of sh@t
to say that Edge has completely lost it's conceicence, credibility and purpose is to say the obvious.
Ben, i know i could always count on you, you are not baised, concidering the fact that this is a playstation community, you still desplay that sense of maturity.....
i must not fail to commend your efforts, together with that of Arnord. psxe happens to be my favoutite..
'when u see what's wrong, it is very important to correct' you have done just that.
cheers.
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xnonsuchx
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:08:30 PM
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apofisboricua
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 7:34:07 PM
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Ive been visiting this site for tha past year and never registered before so this is my first post. Excuse my writting Im from Puerto Rico and English is our second language.
To the point: Im an old gamer. Im 32 years old. Ive played almost every console since the Atari 2600. Last gen I bougth all the consoles and this gen I have bougth the PS3 and the xbox 360. I prefeer the PS3 just for its exclusives wich I feel are all underrated. I also like mi 360 but it has been more of a headache to me because it has died 3 times. Anyway I always enjoy reading your article because I as a gamer can see that you speak with the truth and aint no fanboy.
I respect that in any writer but I enjoy most of your articles because I believe you are more mature than other writers that are just starting their carrer and didnt love the games just the brand of the console. I saw your post over the internet an d saw these types of people complaining and sometimes insulting you for telling just the truth.
Keep the good work man...this industry specially the press need more people like you. In a side note I visited Ars Technica site and I cant believe that the posters there are a bunch of fanboys who think they are samarter because of the site "more technological" aprroach to games. Really; I enyoyed the wars in the genesis and SNES era...but that time they were more friendy and less shamefull...THANKS BEN!
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:06:22 PM
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PS3_Wizard
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:49:17 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:54:24 PM
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jerocarson
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:02:21 PM
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Scarecrow
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:07:42 PM
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Edge should back the hell off, those bastards are a diservice to v-games as a whole.
If anything psxextreme empahsizes that fanboyism from either side is not good.
They emphasize truth whether it hurts a console or not.
Sony's advertising sucks, the price of the console is still kinda high, no backwards compatibility, etc.
Here at psextreme will tell it like it is. But when we go out and say that 360's RROD garbage is insane which it is we're just stating the truth.
In fact there isn't a gaming site in the web I respect more than psextreme, not even psu when it comes down to it.
If anything Edge should be apologizing to the whole gaming community!
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Doosharm
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 8:28:27 PM
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To be honest with you Ben, when you first started writing regularly for PSXExtreme, I didn't like you. To me, you kind of came off as being an Xbox fanyboy. You seemed to be too hard on the PS3 and it kind of pissed me off. Then I saw that you were also writing for the Xbox sister site and I thought it was all part of some crazy conspiracy. I couldn't believe Arnold ever hired you!
But, after the initial shock, I actually started to listen to what you were saying and it made a lot of sense. I learned that you weren't the fanboy, I was. In fact, I would list you and your articles as the main driving force behind my purchase of a 360 and my open-mindedness towards other platforms with your recent article on the PS3/360 combo reflecting my current views exactly.
With the line between being honest and getting attention becoming smaller and smaller and more and more game magazines/sites seemingly in the pockets of the publishers this is the one publication that I feel I can actually trust to provide honest and accurate game reviews. And even if some feathers do get rustled every now and again, at least you guys haven't sold out. 'Nuff said.
Thanks Ben and PSXExtreme,
DJ
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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:02:30 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:05:37 PM
But now I've realized how much of an impact my words can have. It's good to know what I said helped you, and I'm going to have to be careful with my words in the future.
And if this isn't a testimonial to my completely unbiased approach to gaming, and how I handle the news for PSXE in a non-skewed way, nothing is. :)
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Wage SLAVES
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:25:08 PM
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fuk u
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:03:13 PM
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jerocarson
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:28:08 PM
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beleive it or not, you have made alot of impact on a lot of people, and i happen to be one of them.
sumtime i just wish i could see or have a personal chat with you. m not flattering, i am speaking reality straight from my mind. i realy love psxe.
we always count on you, dont EVER let us down.
stay put.
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Akuma07
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 9:39:50 PM
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With Ben and Arnold being our parents. =]
hahahaha.
I personally, have learnt to take a more open-minded approach to gaming over the last couple of weeks, through the forum here.
I was even the one trying to expose a possible RROD for the ps3 =]
which for those of you who dont read the forums, is nothing =]
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ps92117
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 10:17:10 PM
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PSN _HAITIAN_JB
Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 11:32:15 PM
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Ben & Arnold are the man
and today I finally get that RROD fear out of my chest and I bought a 360 Elite with a copy of GOW 2 but I haven't get the XBL yet now I'm broke but later on this week I'll have a Tag but just hope I don't get that rrod cause I'm going to play the hell of that machine.
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Fabi
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:55:15 AM
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You and Arnold keep up the good work, as long as your community respects you and knows what you're about, that's all you need. I don't post as much as I used to, but believe me, I'm a Psxextreme addict! I'm on it at home, at work, and on my G1.
Keep bringing us that PSX flavor!
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Deleted User
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:06:31 AM
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englishgolfer
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:51:37 AM
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convergecrew
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:52:38 AM
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soli
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 3:08:07 AM
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Am with 100% on this.Just know that you have a lot of people backing you up =)
As for EDGE i dont think they even deserve any more attention..
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ceedot
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 4:18:31 AM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:39:29 AM
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Edge are incorrect in their review. Flowery content and a low score - there's no substance to their review, they should be ashamed of the editorial.
By the same token, psx should not really have risen to the bait.
Comments are fine because it's the community talking, they are only reacting to the original articles. therefore, it's upto the original journos to present consistent lines throughout articles.
To me, seeing all this pan out has been most amusing.
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HighLife
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:05:47 AM
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chicko1983
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 7:35:57 AM
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Personally though, I think PSXE is one of the best sites for news, previews and reviews of anything ps3 related and that is what keeps making me come back here - not the editorials.
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Kingharris
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 7:40:05 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:26:16 AM
And on average, Edge scores PS3 games 30% lower than any other source.
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Skatejimmy5
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:06:28 AM
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Yes, thank you very much. :D
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Sir Shak
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:48:07 AM
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Thus, proving Ben's point that a bullshit numerical score does have an impact on the market.
And might I dare to add that a zombie game is no more of an innovation than an fps , the thing Edge bends over for while reviewing games.
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Wage SLAVES
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:28:47 PM
People need to read that comment above!!!
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pyro117
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:46:28 AM
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I did review Ben's initial aricle, the Edge review and the 2 subsequent articles. I do agree with what Ben was trying to do in his first article and still agree. I also applaud Ben/PSXExtreme for actually repsonding to the chatter in such a professional manner.
Thanks and keep up the great work you guys are doing.
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:57:40 AM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:20:07 AM
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<b>video games are so subjective</B>
Games might be but reviews shouldnt be.
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:20:35 AM
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http://www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/208812/onechanbara-bikini-samurai-squad/
Kind of makes me think of some of these guys:
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top-7-stereotypical-gamers-we-hate/a-2008032410612871091
the games radar guys are funny, I like their articles.
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:22:33 AM
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The games are what the reviews are about.
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:25:51 AM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:30:09 AM
Thereby eliminating the games are so subjective comment.
This is what "enraged" som many people about the KZ2 review.
You cant effectively base a total score on the story and originality. You might as well be reviewing a movie.
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Norman D
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:34:29 AM
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thanks again for being a shining light in the world of videogame-journalism Ben
it's good to have at least one site where things are just "said like it is"
it's hard these days to not pick a side but it's just growing pains for the industry, most of us are still getting out of our moody teenage years (no matter how old we are) and some are already grown up. I honestly don't believe that most reviewers know what they mean when they say they wwant something in a game, for example: innovation? it's not in very many games in the past couple of years, what we have is technological innovation and not as much gameplay innovation but still, there's more subtle innovations happening in every game....just look at the high-rated games of late, hoe much "innovation" is in them?? not much, if any
to use a paraphrased quote as an analogy "you got to be good-looking 'cause your so hard to see" keep being good-lookin Ben
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:44:38 AM
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I glanced at "the review". The thing is no one would even see it if it weren't for metacritic. I was a PS1 fanboy before the stupid word existed (I pioneer I like to consider myself, a pioneer of a evil race of dorks). But I grew up, got a job (many), had kids (no, just kidding). I love games, and love looking at the sites and stuff, but I just don't care, and neither should you. I probably won't even buy KZ2 (RE5 is more my fancy), and a lot of people who were angered by this probably won't either. It's not worth your anger. In summation: Being a fanboy won't last forever, just enjoy what you have, and hope that others do as well.
P.S. I never want to type the word fanboy again, I hate that stupid word.
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 10:51:17 AM
Everyone who was going to buy KZ2, still will. People know more about the game than to take edge's review seriously. tbh honest I think the press KZ2 is ghetting recently will probablysway the marginals in favours as well.
(PS I'm not a fanboy - i own a pc - doenst everyone?)
(NB: I too had a PS1, etc..., and I have 3 kids in addition (no kidding))
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:10:38 AM
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P.S. Yes we all own PC's, but probably not ones that can play decent games (I could never get into PC gaming, wrong card this, wrong RAM that).
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:15:00 AM
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(not sounding smug, no hard feelings)
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:16:31 AM
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Kinda smug, no?
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:17:13 AM
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"and a lot of people who were angered by this probably won't either"
Why should this be the case?
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:18:19 AM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:19:33 AM
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:21:09 AM
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:23:26 AM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:26:51 AM
to all intents and purposes 92 and 94 are the same.
92/93 and 70 - now there's a difference!
Anyways got to go home - better things to do.
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:24:51 AM
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If it wasnt for community discussing/arguing/flaming as we all do these sites would exist. They rely on all of this rubbish. That's why they write as such...
...to initiate discussing/arguing/flaming.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 12:36:58 PM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:09:39 PM
Both of us know sites like psx, meta, edge rely on advertising revenue.
Who are you advertising to?
It would be a lack of foresight to realise this, and if you want to ban people from making comments - then go ahead.
You are meant to administrate/moderate not incite.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:12:59 PM
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:22:05 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 2:05:07 PM
Insist on arguing and flaming on any part of this site, and you will be gone.
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:45:03 PM
this thing has hit you hard hasn't it?
I'm not arguing with you - you were the one to wade in giving it the big I am.
I haven't flamed you - but your tone with me on the other hand...
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:41:20 PM
...you spend too much time in certain places to understand the concept of civility.
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ceedot
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:21:50 PM
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DigitalStorm
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 8:34:51 AM
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:27:46 AM
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:33:19 AM
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Ya, your right, I did care enough to post, but I am not a normal consumer. I like games more than most average people. But The gamepro thing kind got me riled up, people should relax about review scores. But music is my other relax about passion, and if someone gave radiohead a 50%, I would be mad, but I would also think "who cares, they are stupid anyways".
Anyways, nice debating with you, I guess we agree to disagree (But I kind of still think that we agree).
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 11:34:17 AM
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reads
"other passion"
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Trarman
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:09:02 PM
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Just wanted to express my thanks, and kudos to the fine authors of this site.
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big6
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 1:54:46 PM
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I'd say a handful, and none of them sold as well as ones that were rehashes of popular titles.
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Robochic
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:19:18 PM
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Wage SLAVES
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 5:33:47 PM
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jerocarson
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:02:49 PM
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you are hopeless, arrogant, plain, dull, dumb unassuming and unintellegent.
Ben, great work!
1luv.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 8:43:19 PM
Digital, I know you're only here to cause problems. ...let's see how long that lasts.
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DigitalStorm
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 3:38:55 AM
Advertising is intrinsically linked to traffic.
It's what makes the web go round.
Whatever you think about my comment re discussing/arguing/flaming - it still stands as a valid point. You just picked out flaming without giving credence first two items; both of which are perfectly acceptable traits in a personality.
If you don’t argue, then I'd classify that as unheathly and downright weird.
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DigitalStorm
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 6:46:34 PM
Gonna stand for it?
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migabyte
Friday, February 13, 2009 @ 9:04:05 PM
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BikerSaint
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 3:06:00 AM
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Keep on standing by your guns, bro!
You, Arnold & the rest of the staff is what make this site so great!
Don't ever let the bastards wearyou down!
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homer4
Saturday, February 14, 2009 @ 1:38:52 PM
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Though I understand your point of view I simply disagree with it for a few reasons.
Edge scores on average are lower. Look on their statistics page on Gamerankings; they review, on average 12.3% lower on the games they review compared to everyone else. 7 in Edge's review system isn't the definition of an average game; its a good one. So to compare their score as like for like is silly in my opinion. Their isnt a standard unit for Opinion whatever gamerankings may think. If you did try to standardise an EDGE review , a 7 would be about 8 which is, though below average, is hardly an outlier.
Also, Opinion is opinion. If the writer is frustrated by this game for whatever reason it is their opinion. Do you think a writer should give something a higher score just because he believes he needs to be part of a critical consensus. Now that would by lying to the consumer. And before someone suggests the reviewer should be completly objective, just think what that means. Though its important to be free of bias (which I'm sure such a long running and well respected multi format magazine is), a review is still inherently an opinion piece. So to suggest that a person shouldnt put their opinion in a review, that's just doesn't make any sense. If they don't think its a must buy for their average reader, that's their opinion.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 @ 4:00:37 PM
No doubt.