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Ben's Week In Review: June 7

Well, E3 is over and...I...'yawn' ...okay, have to stay awake long enough to write this.

Do I have sudden reservations about Gran Turismo 5?

Yes. Yes, I do. I'm not doubting the game's quality; I'm absolutely convinced it will be as close to perfection as Yamauchi and Co. can get (their pursuit of a flawless production is why they're not releasing it now). But at the same time, I realized I was looking at NASCAR in that trailer they showed off during Sony's E3 press conference. I knew there would be Rally, but then again, there always has been so it wasn't exactly a shock. And of course, the video was gorgeous...but here's the thing: I hate NASCAR. Hate it. I wish it would go away forever (even though I know it won't). I'm hoping all that NASCAR stuff will be optional in the game because I absolutely refuse to play it. I'm not interested in racing the same car everyone else has, continually turning left and hoping I don't nudge a car, crash, and spend the remainder of a 500-lap race in 37th place. I'm just not sure Yamauchi thought this one through; what GT fan walked up to him one day and said, "hey, you know what'd be awesome to have in GT5? NASCAR!" Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody said any such thing.

NASCAR fans will buy NASCAR games. I seriously doubt they'll buy GT5, which still has its focus in road racing. I also doubt that GT fans have any interest in NASCAR whatsoever, and because a lot of that trailer involved the one racing sport I hate more than anything else - with the lone exception of NHRA - I have to admit to being a little perturbed. They're not really going to make me do this, are they? Please God, don't let it be so...

Castlevania = direct God of War rip-off?

So that "mask" turned out to be the logo for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, and as great as that trailer was, it just doesn't feel like Castlevania. Yeah, I knew it couldn't possibly be 2D in this day and age but even so, this franchise always had a very distinct atmosphere and flair to it. It was darker and more mystical, as most any good vampire production should be...and that leads me to my next issue: there are going to be vampires in this game, right? Isn't that the point of the original CV? Richter Belmont? You know, the vampire hunter? Then there was Dracula's son, Alucard, in Symphony of the Night? In that trailer, it appears the new character is Gabriel and he fights all sorts of amazing-looking beasts, but I really felt like I was looking at another GoW iteration. Since the success of that franchise, third-person action games have been taking cues from SCEA's efforts for years, but this may be a little blatant. I mean, does anyone notice how close that whip is to Kratos' default blades? And look at how the game moves...

I'm not necessarily complaining because I love GoW. And if Konami makes it good, I'll definitely want to play it. But it almost seems like the death of a classic franchise when I watch that trailer. Honestly, I think they should've brought Richter back in next-gen form and continued a story from the old NES Castlevanias, or something. And obviously, there's zero chance of ever seeing Alucard return in a SotN sequel, but that's what I'd dream about.

Personal gaming update

So while I had plenty of fun with Red Faction: Guerrilla, I still find inFamous to be more fun and indeed, even addictive. I'm one mission from advancing into the second portion of the city, and I've taken the time to liberate 100% of the Neon District. I did all the side missions I could find and I'm going the complete Hero route, just 'cuz I think I'll get cooler powers and stuff. I could be wrong; I don't know, but I've already got those grenades, this concentrated blast that really does damage, the lightning that chains to other enemies if you get a headshot, and this new ability that slows down time and basically lets you snipe with your power. It drains a ton of energy really fast, but it's still major cool. Just running around the city seems to be endless fun. :)

After this, I figure I'll return to FFVIII, maybe until my birthday rolls around in early August and I can get Resident Evil 5, which I unfortunately missed out on. Beyond that, I'm just waiting on the super huge titles of the fall, although I'll be interested to see how Batman: Arkham Asylum turns out... As for anything else, I can't really think of anything. Besides the fact that women really are insane and I'm just about ready to say g'bye to all crazy people. No need to over-complicate my life. Really.

6/6/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (149 posts)

Gogaku
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:40:43 PM
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I can't say that I agree on your comments about putting NASCAR into GT5 at all. I know several people that are just astounded by the graphics and feeling of GT5 and that also love nascar. My roommate, for instance, love GT5, and nascar, he bought nascar 09 for the ps3 and was utterly dissapointed when it wasn't even close to the quality of GT5:prologue. When I told him they had the nascar license showing in the E3 trailer of the game, he was very excited!

A lot of Americans love nascar, and if they become aware of the incredible realism of GT5 they will most likely pick the game up. It's all about how Sony will advertise the game when it finally comes out (not saying they should sell it as a nascar game, but if they show off the amazing graphics, the hundreds of cars, the great variation of tracks, and the different licenses they've got, nascar included, I think GT5 will sell VERY well in the states). Less is not always more, especially not when it comes to videogames :)

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Tim Speed24
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:32:28 AM

I'm so glad they included NASCAR in GT5. I'm a big race fan of F1, Indy Car, Rally, and NASCAR. The Grand Am and Rolex series are also fun to watch but no real competition on track.

If you are a big fan of racing you would understand why it is included. NASCAR is one of the most popular race series in the world.

Danica Patrick is considering leaving Indy Cars to race in NASCAR just like many other drivers have done. Tony Stewart didn't start in NASCAR but NASCAR is what made him a well known name in racing.

I have to totally disagree wih Ben on this one because I for one jumped for joy when I saw that E3 trailer. EA sports has never done NASCAR justice, thank goodness for Polyphony Digital.

And it is not just about turning left, if you watched the sport you would understand. Also I live in New York so this is not just for race fans in the southern US.

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wano
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:36:31 AM

I think its great. NASCAR is a style of racing. Its all about slip streaming / gaining speed from the car in front and using the outward force on the corners to power you in to the straits, whilst not writing the car off in to the wall and everyone else at top speed. Its completely different to Rally, F1, road racing etc, but still requires a lot of skill to get round quicker than everone else..(shame on people for thinking its driving in a circle, tut tut, call your selves true racing game fans :-)

Im from the uk and am not into watchin NASCAR at all. I cant even remember watching any full races to be honest. But if any one here has played prologue to the end (using gears and trying to get golds on each race), they would know that certain races (not NASCAR ones) depend on this style of driving (drafting / slipstreaming the car in front) or you cant win the race.

I was really excited when I saw NASCAR in the treailer, because to me it ment POLY are trying to incude a massive amount of depth to the game. If they can shoe horn F1 and Touring Car in there, it might just be the best driving / racing sim of all time.
Looks like danmage and weather effects are coming also (which to me, are there hardest goals as they have to look and react as good as the rest of the game)
Bring it on POLY, i want everything...

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coldbore
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:14:50 AM

Nascar seems to be more of a buisness aproach than anything. think of it, now not only will they have the normal GT fans, but they will have quite a bit extra customers with nascar in it. personally im going to avoid playing the nascar races as much as possible but im sure there is going to be a lot of people to buy it just for the nascar, just like people just buy it for the rally, and etc. you cant tell me that your not going to pick it up just because it has nascar in it, if anything you should be happy that they added just that many more features to the game, the more the marier.

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Thrill Kill
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:21:58 AM

I thought it was pretty gay at first. nascar is like pro wrestling. but then me and my friend have always wondered what a nascar would do around the top gear test track...it will be funny. plus everyone will see how nascars compare to real cars. i love it.

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ThugNificent101
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:43:32 PM
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I completely agree with you about Castlevania
I actually thought the same when i watched the trailer!

and a continuation... well i was never able to complete the original Castlevania (which i havent played in some years); so i would have to pick it up again before i played that... just so i could have that feeling of accomplishment.
You know... im going to do it anyways. I guess I may as well put my nintendo wii to use.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:48:00 PM
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Couldn't agree more with you on GT5 and NASCAR - at least with regard to whether or not we *have* to race some NASCAR to finish the game. I hate and abhor NASCAR racing as well, it's pointless circling of an airfield in cars that started life as bootleggers rides. That's why they run on ethanol....

Anyway, I digress. I live in the Southern US and *I* still dislike this idea. Please Polyphony, don't make me play NASCAR, if I wanted to play NASCAR I'd go buy an EA game. Please note, I haven't ever done that, so why would I start now?

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Reccaman18
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:19:35 PM

I live in NC myself, and I cant stand NASCAR either. Now, Formula1. Oh yeah! I can get into that!

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Veritas Vincit
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:50:40 PM
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I agree with you about leaving nascar out. If I want play nascar I will pick it up by EA. I'm surprised we never saw that coming since they included the Daytona track in Prologue. Now about your NHRA gripe, the one thing I was dissapointed in GT4 was the drag racing event ended up being a time trial and not a 2 player event. Yamauchi stated it would end up being in GT4 but it never made it.

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JDC80
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:36:24 AM
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I'm far from being a NASCAR fan but I can understand why they would add NASCAR, it's popular and it's on almost every major channel why not cash in on it?

Based on GT's reputation as a true racing sim I think it's going to attract a lot of people who love NASCAR and who own a PS3 or it's going to get people out to the stores to get a PS3.

Commenting on the personal gaming note: I'm going to cash in on late birthday gifts so hopefully I'll be playing "Infamous" and "Ghostbusters" the video game by the end of the month.

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:43:36 AM
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I'm not a Netcar fan either. Never considered it a "sport". It's an event. I don't have a mullet and I am not shocked when they turn left into one turn that somehow they say is two. I know many people LOVE Netcar but I could never get into it. Now formula racing, there's a driver's "sport".

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:13:01 AM

Formula one is true sport ? You do know that FIA has been paying Ferrari 80 million a season to keep them in it for the past 4-5 years right ?

Formula One is flawed to the core.

I have No Mullet and my surname doesn't qualify as a first name so your point is very ignorant. Any number of people from all walks of life love NASCAR, step out from under your rock.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:18:38 PM

But with all the crap i believe about F1, i still like the sport alot..im screwed.

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 5:40:45 AM

lol!!!
A mullet...
I didn't know Dikes liked NASCAR...

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redman479
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:52:31 AM
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Ben, I finished playing through as evil Cole and I must say that, "I never felt so good being a bad guy"! Started going through as good Cole today. As far as LOS I'll stick with GOWIII.

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Ogibillm
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:46:04 AM

Good...bad... I'm the guy with the lightening bursts.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:01:21 PM

HA.

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Jed
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:44 AM
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I can see why they put Nascar in the game. Like Gogaku said, I'm sure some nascar fans out there will want the quality of a game like GT. But PLEASE GOD dont make me do it. Driving around in a circle for three hours isnt my thing. Racing looses a lot when you can only turn in one direction. It's like one of those cheap old radio control cars.

I guess castlevania is one of those games I missed out on. I was one of the kids who had a genesis, and never played on playstation, but I can understand your frustration.

inFamous = cocane in blu-ray form. I HAVE TO FIND ALL THE SHARDS!!! At least they show up on the radar. I love being a super hero, except the part where water kills you. But I live in west texas so It's not like I have to worry about falling in a river or anything.

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Xbox_Killer
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:49:57 AM
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I agree with everything you put about NASCAR. I don't want to turn left.

I've played NASCAR games and couldn't get into any of them.

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Geobaldi
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:58:12 AM
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The only good NASCAR games were the ones Papyrus made for the PC years ago. I'm not a NASCAR fan, and never will be, but those were some fun games. In my opinion NASCAR needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. It's pointless and takes TV time away from the other sports. I live here in the South and am so sick of hearing about it and being forced to see it tattooed on every other persons vehicle. Please be just an option in GT5.

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jlch777
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:27:22 AM
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They should put point to point races(like initial d), or drag but nascar??? common!!!

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:53:34 AM

Point to point tracks are sweet!!!

God I miss those! :*(
GT2 had Pikes Peak! FUN FUN FUN!

Wish there were some really good point to point racing games. The only one I can think of is Rally Cross for ps1.

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Naga
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:11:33 PM

like Outrun? okay why the lack and why have I only seen Initial D in a arcade cabinet in Belfast it's disappointing that it isn't released in Europe

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G-WiZ199
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:45:31 AM
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I def agree with you in regards to the Nascar statement, but Lords of Shadow still looks good. I mean, seriously, it is Kojima Productions that involved in the game. And every Castlevania game had different enemies and not just vampires.

If any game looks more like a GOW knock off it would be Metroid: Project M. The new Metroid was just made so Nintendo can say "Hey, we make titles for hardcore gamers"...Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Nintendo, you need to stay in your own lane and stick to making games for The Brady Bunch families.

On a side note, I saw The Hangover. Hands down best buddy movie of the last 10 years (yes its better then American Pie, Old School, and Wedding Crashers). Pure comedy.

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Dealnightfire
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:17:51 AM
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Yeah I don't like NASCAR at all, one bit, not even a little but the point is GT5 is the ultimate racing game and whether or not any of us like it NASCAR is still racing so its in there. I know plenty of people who look at GT series and get pissed of that Honda Odyssey and trucks in there. GT5 will be the best racing sim for everyone so I have to put my personal objections aside as well.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:15:06 AM

Post of the weekend. You hate NASCAR but are objective enough to understand why its in the game and how many people like it. Thanks man, you're a cut above some people here, its okay to hate NASCAR but don't ruin it for others.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:06:39 AM

Understanding why it's there is all fine and well, but it doesn't alter the fact that racing ovals is boring. Really boring. Racing an oval is about as exciting as balancing a checkbook, or trying to read an Applied Math text book cover to cover in one night.

I suspect that a lot of people could care less if it's included so long as they aren't force to do NASCAR races as part of completing the game.

Regarding your comments above about F1 and Ferrari, you kinda need to throw a link into that otherwise your accusation looks like nothing more than a churlish accusation. On a broader note, F1 hasn't been truly competitive racing for years. Numerous rule changes to the 'sport' have made overtaking during races very difficult and as a result more races are won based on starting position, pit strategy and car reliability than anything else. Pretty poor considering just how exciting F1 used to be, in days gone by.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:10:36 PM

Highlander, your opinion on ovals being boring is just that.

I don't need to give you a link for my accusations, if you don't know about what went on, thats your problem.

No offense.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 5:55:29 PM

NO offense, and I never said that my opinion on ovals was anything other than my opinion.

If you can't/won't supply a link for what you're saying about Ferrari, that's fine. I don't really care wither was as I gave up watching F1 when it became little more than a 70 lap formation parade from start to finish, punctuated by pit stops and predictable breakdowns.

Still it's pretty weak to throw out an accusation about an entire sporting body and not have at least one link to post when challenged. No offense though...

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:04:24 PM

None taken dude. Some of the worst parts of F1 as you said have less to do with FIAs financial arrangements.

I try to watch F1 as the cars are gorgeous and the highest form of auto racing but its painful.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:11:06 PM

F1 season used to be the best part of the year for me, the technology is still amazing, and the speed and handling put the cars on a knife's edge between safe and disaster. But over the years, supposedly in the cause of safety, a lot of rule changes have hamstrung car designers and teams. I stopped watching a few years before Murray Walker finally retired, but by then I was already very disgusted with the whole event, and it almost seems now that the qualifying round is more interesting than the actual race.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:14:01 PM

Ya, i hear that. I watch F1 alot the past few seasons to watch the lower budget teams fight each other. When the camera would/does focus on them it makes for some good racing.

Its good to see Brawn, a privateer winning, how long it lasts, we'll see.

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KevinCairo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:18:33 AM
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It's just plain ignorant to act like there's no merrit to NASCAR. I don't like it either, but it's obviously not as simple as going around in circles.
As for lord of shadows, I think it looks a million times better than dantes inferno. Seriously, I'm so pissed about that game, and frankly I can't believe anyone would call lord of shadows out before flaming dantes inferno (pun not intended).

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:16:04 AM

Awesome post. You don't like NASCAR but you have some respect to realise its a hell of a lot harder than just turning left all day long. I wish it was that easy, ild be a real driver.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:10:44 AM

NASCAR is fundamentally Oval racing. Which is precisely as simple as turning left all day. Yes, it's an endurance race for the driver and the car, but it's not a test of driving skill as much as it is endurance. How many races in NASCAR are won by the driver's skill instead of reliability, pit strategy, speed of pitstop, and pure luck based on where you are when the pace car comes out on a yellow flag?

Before you say it, the same things are true of Indy and F1. F1 used to be different, but it's changed greatly over the last 20 years. Cart racing has actually got better in recent years. IMHO of course.

But really, let's be honest, NASCAR is the poster child of simple oval racing.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:13:11 PM

Lol @ Highlander, "how many races are won by a drivers skill and not reliability etc etc...."

All of them...because it doesn't matter how reliable or trouble free a car is...if the driver can't drive the thing properly he won't "be there at the end of the day". He won't be in First position nor will he be able to outlast others on car alone. Endurance racing is all about that, but it doesn't matter how long your car can last if you don't have the driver to keep it at the front.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:20:52 PM

You say oval racing is soo simple, man ild love to see you do 300laps in 100 degree plus fahrenheit cockpit. Don't try running some crap like you wouldn't because you find it boring...if you were in the car at a race, you'ld be anything but bored.

NASCAR is so simple ? Ya...going through a turn at 145mph and then blazing down a straightaway to a top speed of 210mph is boring? All the while having just a paper's width between you and the guy in front of you and only 3 inches of clearance from the guy to your immediate left. It takes a hell of alot of skill to drive so fast through such corners and not hit everybody else.
Sure everybody focuses on the crashes that happen in NASCAR but nobody focuses on the 98% of the race that has virtually no contact or accidents.

It takes a hell of alot of skill and genuine mettle to be a NASCAR driver. By your decree highlander Montoya should be dominating NASCAR given he was the only driver who could hold pace with Schumachers F1 car...but i don't think he's won a race yet.
You can't say its the car because...even with such a more primitive car..NASCAR is supposed to be SOOO easy right Highlander?
Nope and thats why a great driver like Montoya still licks the cats @$$, its not his fault its just a very hard/competitive sport.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:01:12 PM

Xanavi,

You really do need to stop taking this like it's some challenge to you personally. Just because someone thinks oval racing is boring and requires less skill than another kind of racing does not require you to pop off as you have.

I already acknowledged that oval racing is a race of endurance both of the car and driver. But I stand by my assertion that it does not take as much driving skill as a road course. Oval racing has a very specific set of skills, but from a pure driving point of view Rally and Road racing exercise a far broader range of driving skills.

I don't much care either way since I'm not now, nor have I ever been a big fan of NASCAR, and so as far as I am concerned it's of no consequence either way, so long as I am not forced to participate.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:06:14 PM

Im not taking this as a challenge, but i'll be damned if i'll let someone put down the great feats of another man willy nilly.

I respect NASCAR drivers thus i stick up for them. This comment section is meant to be a place where we converse, n'est ce pas ?

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:39:19 AM
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I'm with Ben on this. Nascar is one of the worst thing, if not the worst thing that ever happened to racing.

Everything that surrounds Nascar is dirty. And I don't wanna spend 2-3 hours racing a stupid looking car around a circle.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:22:41 PM

If you love GT as much as you say you do you would welcome a new form of racing into the GT world. Come on now.

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:13:15 AM
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I agree with you Ben. NASCAR is stupid, plain and simple

but i highly doubt that the game will focus too much on it anyway so it's whatever

NASCAR IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF GASOLINE EVER!!!

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Tim Speed24
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:39:31 AM

So follow the leader on most road course racing is much more exciting right?

I fall asleep during some of the F1 races on TV but that doesn't make it a bad sport.

See what you started Ben, a forum of Hate......and you always preach against it....I'm sad now.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:18:15 AM

Ya, Ben did cause alot of ignorance with his editorial today. Its okay not to like it, but there's way too much ignorance here..

F1 is so good ? Its a farce, starting with FIA paying Ferrari 80 million a season for 4-5 years to keep them in the sport. 80Million to any other team, even BMW would have made all the different in terms of competitiveness. At least NASCAR continually tries to change for the better, F1 just becomes more of a joke due to its governing body.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:31:21 AM

Don't mean to rip you Ben but your write on NASCAR was flawed. Some of the fastest guys in GT, that'll put 5 seconds a lap on you, love NASCAR, want NASCAR.

So many fans who love Le Mans racing...WANT NASCAR....but you lead people to believe that just because you and a few others don't want NASCAR, that us GT veterans don't. You don't like NASCAR so you proceed to assume for us Ben ? Don't speak for others when you don't know what they think or want because no disrespect, you're pretty off base.

Many of us GT vets did wake up one day and say; "Hey we love roadcourse/GT racing...taht should take the priority in every single GT game, never should change....but hey, a little NASCAR wouldn't hurt."

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:11:54 PM

i never said F-1 was any better did i??

it's not that much better than nascar

but it is slightly more exciting

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:15:33 PM

and.....

personally i have never heard any of my buddies that are die hard GT fans say they want NASCAR in GT

but whatever

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:06:46 PM

Ya need more buddies?

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HOODGE
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 5:22:18 AM

I don't know if anybody is gonna read this now but don't worry everyone putting a little Nascar in isn't gonna hurt anyone. Don't forget Prologue also has 1 Ferrari F1 car in the game and just because you didn't see it in the trailer doesn't mean F1 racing isn't gonna be in the game as well. Bet we see all the F1 cars as well. We will also see all the American and European LeMans cars as well and many of the tracks they race on.

So there is gonna be something for everyone no matter what tickles your fancy. So don't any one panic. Just relax. And it is true, adding all those forms of racing is gonna attract millions to the game. You want GT5 to be the PS3 hardware seller don't you? Well by incorporating top technical quality and all those race formats to the game it is gonna rock the world. So cmon lets be incredibly happy!!

Also in regards to FM3 in an interview I saw, Dan Greenwalt is also gonna have stockcars in the game even tho he didn't acquire the Nascar license like PD did. So it's not the end of the world.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:21:22 AM
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I loved my playthrough of inFAMOUS on infamous. The evil power rocks and its so helpful.

However as you will see been, Homing Rockets kicks all forms of ass, but the hero only power kinda sucks

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 5:38:13 AM
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Nascar is really really lame.

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Tim Speed24
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:34:06 AM

Not if you like racing and car set-up.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:29:44 PM

sorry that was insensitive, I personally just can't hang with cars going in circles. Would take a lot of beer...

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:19:30 PM

a whole lotta beer indeed

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RustEDalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:01:51 AM
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OK I will accept NASCAR in GT5 only if I can run the other drivers off the road and make them go up in flames and blow up, because that's the only reason people watch NASCAR for the the crashes like in that one Simpsons episode

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Midris7
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:36:20 PM

Well that is an ignortant statement if I've ever heard one. I don't like NASCAR, hell I don't even watch it. But really man? Really?

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:26:05 PM

Ya, thats incredibly ignorant. Nowadays wrecks don't happen very often. The cars are getting more and more stable, the car that spins out and the cars trying to avoid him.
Only people with no geniune interest in the sport watch for crashes.

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Jalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:03:09 AM
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I admit my excitement at watching the trailer for 'Lords of Shadow' didn't come close to the excitement I felt when I heard (a). the next-gen 'Castlevania' is coming (b). Hideo Kojima will be involved (even though his involvement seems minor, by what I've read), but I'll likely give it a chance no matter what.

Oh, and I must agree with you, Ben. That trailer didn't really have that 'Castlevania' feel to it to me, either.
It did remind me of 'God of War' (and 'God of War'-like games), as well as the trailers for 'Oblivion' (probably due to Patrick Stewart, though).

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tes37
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:06:53 AM
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All of my friends like nascar, but I personally can't stand it. I'm glad and surprised to hear so many people on this site say they don't like nascar.
I have a cousin that races NHRA and that's not so bad, at least they're not going in circles.

Infamous is very addictive, it's one of the best games I've played on PS3.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:10:55 AM
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I totally 100% Disagree with you Ben. NASCAR is an awesome addition. First off NASCAR is the only sport like itself. 850hp 7.4L Carburated V8 monsters that can run for 500laps under a blistering sun. Thats awesome right there.

Secondly, Picture this. You grab your number 88 Chevy Stock Car(NASCAR) and you create a race online of mixed competition. A few drivers have similar Stock cars to yours, other have DTM and GT3 cars, the 3 classes have a tournament show down. While the NASCARs lack the handling and agility of the other 2...they make up for it in brute force.
Furthermore with the car of tomorrow, the cars are better suited than ever for the purposes in GT.
Ben it seems you have forgotten what GT is really about. GT/road course racing, sure there will be even more ovals in GT5Full but it would be foolish to think that new gen NASCAR fans like myself would only want to drive around an oval for 500 laps.
Me ? I plan on grabbing a NASCAR ASAP and running and testing it around the Ring and Suzuka as well as Fuji. I'll still do Stock car only races but at least as much as that, i'll be GT racing my NASCARs especially if i can drop weight down by any degree.

Lastly ben, believe it or not you are a minority here. Many GT fans prefer GT racing by far over NASCAR/stock car racing but they still have alot of taste for it, and want it included.

Hell a year or so ago on the PSU forums almost everybody HATED the idea of NASCAR and now that they saw the trailer even the most opposed haters from that time a year ago love the idea of NASCAR.

Forget just NASCAR circuit racing, this opens the whole world of GT up for a new level "race car" competition. What's not to love about a 850hp 7.4L classicly built V8 powerhouse, especially when the torque figures match hp or break the hp figure.

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RustEDalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:41:02 AM

people love the idea of having NASCAR cars in GT5 they just hate the idea of driving in circles.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:13:27 AM

@RusteDalex

Indeed. They could put BIgWheel racing in the game, so long as a) I don't *have* to do it, and b) they bloody well release the game before 2010.

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bamf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:49:50 AM
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I'm not a fan of Nascar, I have watched some of it on TV only for hoping I see a huge pile-up. Every Nascar game has always sucked, Ea ever put any effort into making a decent Nascar game, the visuals were always piss poor. After seeing the GT5 trailer I have to admit I got quite excited about including Nascar in the game. When I think to myself why, I think its because I know how awesome GT games are and I must think that somehow Poly will make Nascar a fun part of GT. I don't know how but I think they'll have some interesting ideas?

I do feel Ben you could have said the exact same thing about them including Rally into GT games if you didnt like Rally and thought the sport was pointless. But I do get where your coming from.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:14:05 AM

The rally stages have offered more than their fair share of frustration in the past - point.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:42 PM

Well said Bamf. Just because its NASCAR, remember PDs attention/eye for quality. There's going to be NASCAR but its going to be the highest quality experience yet.

I think in 1p mode, NASCAR will be like Formula 1 was in GT3 and GT4. It will probably a long championship with each race being 150-200 laps depending on course length, there will be some ovals but probably some GT classics like Midfield raceway, High Speed Ring etc and the NASCAR road courses, watkins glen, Circuit Villenueve.

I think there might be a few NASCAR endurance races in the Endurance hall.

Online would be up to you.

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Juanalf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:35:41 AM
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I just hope that the Nascar thing is optional cause I just find it very boring but I think that will will attract more people to GT5 so the more the merrier.BTW Cole's powers are twice as bad ass being evil than good.

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NoMoreWar
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:38:31 AM
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i have a very similar dislike for NASCAR, but i completely disagree with you on thinking it was a mistake to put it in the game. i think they should put as many official race series in GT5 as they can get. make it as realistic as possible with as many realistic options as possible...
i can't imagine that you'll HAVE to play in a series that you don't want to.

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crawdaddy
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 11:34:48 AM
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It should have been a major clue when Prologue came out with Nascar tracks. Adding all this Nascar to the game is probably why we have had to wait an extra year for the game to be released. I like Nascar, and I think Polyphony would make the best Nascar game available, but I think it should be a game of it's own, and not included in GT5.

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:05:49 PM
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whaaa again Konami ??? they still don't understand Castlevania on 3D = Fail

they must do a 2D ACTION/RPG using all the power of the next gen consoles.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:44:28 PM

Fully agree

2.5D Castlevania = 10/10

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Jalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:10:36 PM

I agree that a 2D 'Castlevania' would very likely be better than a 3D title, but I'm still not going to pass judgement on 'Lords of Shadow' until I see a lot more of it.

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sunspider13
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 2:37:12 AM

I must be in the minority when I say I did like what Konami was trying to do with C:LoI and C:CoD. I think they had the right idea but ended up with 2 so-so games although personally I really did like C:LoI just because of the fact that game gave us the background on why the Belmont's are cursed to fight the undead.

I do agree however that a Castlevania game in 2.5D with the tech of this gen would rule and I would never see the sun, just like the undead. Even better include Alucard and that game would be a must buy for me.

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:21:41 PM
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This is the first time I've disagreed with you Ben on any post. First off NASCAR rules... for I'd like to see you get into one of those cup card and try turning out 400 laps at dover. You would have a wholly new found respect for all the drivers. Second It's obvious you havent been to an actual race...who knows...It might change your mind. Your bias against NASCAR shows it's colors in this post so maybe your not the right person to comment on it. All your doing is alienating a whole lot of die hard NASCAR fans in the process who WANT this! When I saw the demo live during sonys press confrence, I about shit my pants. It gave me goosebumps! EA ain't putting it out no more...Who better than polyphony(BTW the EA versions were totally disappointing)
You also try to make a point about F1 and REAL driving\drivers...yet the best drivers from F1 and Indy are all coming to NASCAR Juan Montoya ,Scott Speed, Sam Hornish just to name a few and will ALL tell you where the best drivers in the world race! At least you call it a sport. Your stereotypical vews of NASCAR (a'la average haters)is very evident, Just is as your ignorant views of the sport. ya got blinders on!
Just because you don't like NASCAR doesn't mean it's a bad idea... Personally I think it belongs there!...But I guess I'm somewhat biased myself!!...P.S. Mark Martin RULES!!! GO #5!!!!

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:33:29 PM

Where's my first comment!?!

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firehahahahaha
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:08:48 PM

Wasn't it 6?

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:32:40 PM
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Thats a hell of a way to get me all fired up on a sunday morning before the cup race...Talk bad about NASCAR...Right before the RACE!!!
Hey Ben... Me and you bud! Let's go to some races... I guarntee you'll have a different point of view! Don't knock it until you tried it bro!!!

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:57:02 PM

Your post cracked me up. Thanks.

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King James
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:27:49 AM

agreed. Ur posts are pretty comical.

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Karosso
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:49:47 PM
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Look! They're making a left turn!
Look! They're making another left turn!
Goes into commercial, comes back 5 minutes later and...
Look! They're making a left turn!
You didn't miss a f#&%!ng thing

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:16 PM

Don't forget that they pee in a bottle for their celebratory golden shower at the end.

Oh, c'mon now. It was a joke. Don't get so prudish on me now.

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Geobaldi
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:03:47 PM

Gotta love Jeff Dunham lol. Thanks for making me remember that :)

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:04:27 PM

You forgot the obligatory caution laps with a pace car and the frenetic pit action - as Fox breaks for a commercial...

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SkantDragon
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:55:29 PM
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I'm a hardcore race fan. I actually participate in various amateur race events myself in RL. I race a Corvette, and I have trophies to prove I'm pretty good at it.

And I agree with you that NASCAR is boring. It's not about racing. There's relatively little driver skill involved. It's a spectator sport, and spectators watch it for all the wild crashes. It's easy for spectators to understand. Whereas road racing takes some in depth understanding to appreciate.

However...

I don't feel too concerned that NASCAR is being included in GT5. Gran Turismo has already branched into various other forms of racing. And they haven't required players to play through those forms to 'win the game'. You get to the end credits by beating the road racing series, and I'm sure that won't change.

For instance, they've never required you to play the endurance racing series. You weren't required to play through rally either. I'm sure they're not going to require you to play through NASCAR either.

Personally, what I'm more concerned about is the inclusion of drifting. GT5 prologue exhibits an unrealistic amount of oversteer in all of the rear wheel drive cars... presumably to facilitate the drifting events. I find that _very_ annoying. I don't want them to sacrifice the realism accuracy of the game in a play for drifting fans.

Of course, I see a lot of people singing praises for that saying it's more realistic, not less. This is people who drive front wheel drive cars in RL, and believe rear wheel drive cars have 'huge amounts of oversteer'. I've driven and/or raced lots of rear wheel drive vehicles in RL. They don't.

Anyway... I'll just deal with it. You can still tune the cars, so I just tune the crazy oversteer out of it until it feels like a real car. Problem solved.

I'll probably try the NASCAR a bit just to confirm I still don't like it. And then ignore it like probably a lot of their existing fans will. And I think Polyphony expects that.

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:01:09 PM

I have to agree with you on the oversteer on rear wheel drive cars. That drives me nuts, as well and I too have to adjust the vehicles to compensate for it. I prefer rear wheel drive cars because I find them a lot more fun. In real life, that is.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:06:19 PM

I'm rather hoping that the over-steer you're referring to is simply another tuning option. Prologue has no tuning, so I am coning to hope that they simply added a little over-steer to whet our appetite.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:08:49 PM

Prologue has no tuning ? What are you talking about ?

Its called Quick Tune and you can tune performance AND the suspension and transmission settings, all of which directly affect oversteer.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:52:13 PM

Ya, I know Prologue has no tuning - shame on PD.

I was meaning that I would hope that in the full game the over-steer that's present in Prologue would only be there as a tunable option. Instead of being ever present as it is on rear wheel drive cars in Prlogue.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:38:27 AM

It has tuning, pretty full fledged, what you're looking for is the process of actually buying parts, i love that too but we'll have to wait a bit.

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Craigo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:56:46 PM
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Ben, if you are an American and have no interest in NASCAR, then the Europeans (who mainly buy this game)will say the same as you. So I just hope its an option what was just shown at E3 for the US audience.

Nice week review :)

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:46:47 PM

Being American doesn't mean you have to like Nascar.

Freedom of choice*

I am as American as anyone else.

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Craigo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:02:47 PM

Am not saying beening American you have to like NASCAR. I'm saying most Europeans Don't like NASCAR where the game sells well.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:11:25 PM

Oh so it doesn't sell well in the US?

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AntDC
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 4:11:04 AM

Well it doesn't in comparison to Europe.

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The Stig
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:34:12 PM
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I am not a fan of NASCAR (I find it really dull, like many others here),and outside of America it REALLY isn't a popular sport. So I think that SCEA had a part to play in PD adding it to GT5 purley to boost sales of the PS3 in the US.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:10:15 PM

I think this is simply another example of Japanese developers thinking that they have to look west and emulate EA, Activision, Bungie or whoever. I am hoping that at some point Japanese game developers will wake up a realize the insanity of doing this, and get back to simply developing a good game.

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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:47:23 PM
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I like NASCAR, in that I appreciate the complexities of the motorsport. I think it is an extremely grueling and challenging form of racing. It's fine if the races are in GT5's career, I just hope they're not full fledged 250 laps. 20 laps, at most.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:30:09 PM

Exactly. Don't like the sport. Fine. But at least respect it, and what the drivers do.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:31:07 PM

Point out where I said anything besides opinion or even INFERRED that it takes no skill.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:53:28 AM

GT5Full is supposed to have a brand new B-spec mode, you're the race director so if races like that are present Arnold, you could probably get your B-spec Bob(driver) to do them for you.

I don't think there will be many of those, probably only 1-2 endurances.

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:18:27 PM
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2nd biggest spectator sport in the US. 2nd only to the NFL. FACT.
Ignorance IS bliss!

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:35:41 PM

and worldwide both those sports are 2nd to soccer, or should i say, the REAL football.

it is the #1 spectator sport in the world
FACT

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King James
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:33:12 AM

ooo, pwnage

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AntDC
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 4:13:12 AM

Ohh yeah! Home by 11!

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CH1N00K
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 9:19:46 AM

just like you said..in the US..no where's else...

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The Stig
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 11:04:38 AM

Yup, no one outside the US cares for NASCAR.

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NYfanatic
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:10:15 PM
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I love Nascar. I was going to buy gran turismo anyway but now I might get it on the day it comes out! EA stopped making "real" nascar games and is basically giving the license up. So no nascar this year. nascar in Gran turismo is sweet!

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:27:07 PM

Just because a large amount of people like something doesn't mean it's good. Case in point? Bands like Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance. Emo-poo.

EDIT: This was a reply to ctd669, and I clicked on it but somehow it got put under NYfanatic. Hooray.

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:37:55 PM

lol @ fluffer nutter

emo-poo, lol

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Oyashiro
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:38:32 PM
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I don't pay attention to Nascar. But I don't really think its bad that they added them. It just means that the number of cars and tracks just increases and it will attract more people to GT5. We get more content, and they get more sales. I see it as win/win!

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:47 PM

There you go. Worst case scenario its just more cars, more tracks. Like all races in GT, you won't HAVE to do them unless you want a few % pts and the car for 100% completion.

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Geobaldi
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:09:29 PM

But it also makes you wonder what other cars and tracks they could've added but are unable to now due to not having the space after all the hi-res NASCAR cars and tracks being added. I feel that it should've been a download content update for those that want it and not included in the final game for those that don't.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:21:14 PM

How about the Stock cars are included by default on the disc and any 1p mode championship is offered by way of a DLC. That way people who don't want to do NASCAR races don't have but still get access to the cars, everybody wins.

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:40 PM
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This Nascar thing is getting boring has hell.

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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:55:21 PM

Lol, its ironic you say that when you post a message 3 times.

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:28:04 PM

I fail to see the irony you talk about...I just see we need a delete button xD.

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:42 PM
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uppss lag

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:45 PM
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sry..

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ThugNificent101
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:53:20 PM
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Cant believe i read all of these comments... -_-
I couldn't really see what the big deal was with the inclusion of NASCAR, but a lot of people sure did. I have no real problem with it being in the game, though i personaly cant stand NASCAR.
In all truthfulness, I'll probably try it once and that will be the end of it, but there will obviously be many who will stick with it.

All this talk about GT makes me want to play it... Im going to play GT3 now ;D

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HighLife
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:18:30 PM
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I hope I like NASCAR being in the game, I'm open to any type of racing in GT5 as long as it is fun. Just do not follow EA's lead on NASCAR.

Like Scarecrow said I want Pikes Peak back, I could do that for hours.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:18:44 PM
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First off. I disagree with your comment on GT5 and NASCAR, Ben. You don't like it. Fine. But please don't assume that all Gran Turismo fans wont. The simple fact that you "wish it would go away for ever" tells me that you have already made up your mind when it comes to NASCAR in GT5 without even hearing any info on it, or let alone playing it. I honestly held you at a higher standard. I for one am looking forward to it.

Secondly, this thread is comprised of ignorance to degree that I hoped I would never see on this site. Anyone stating that NASCAR racing does not require skill, is rather foolish in doing so. I would also bet that no one here is a semi-professional/professional race car driver. Therefore, NONE of you possess the knowledge to state such an absurd assumption. You think it's boring, fine. Now while I somewhat agree with that, you really should not throw out rediculous and/or uneducated statements such as NASCAR requiring little skill. I suggest you do some proper research on the subject, for you might find one or two road course drivers finding out quite the opposite.

Thirdly, and one could consider this as a PSA. Let me hopefully bring some relief to the mental anguish some of you are experiencing over GT5/NASCAR. There are plenty of road races on the series, so one can realistically expect plenty of road racing in NASCAR related career play. Take a look at some of the tracks in NSACAR, and educate yourselves in the matter. I hope this helps.

Fourthly, has anyone here even considered the business decision regarding NASCAR? The US is not into road racing like the rest of the world, but there are plenty of NASCAR fans out there. Why not make your product readily available for more consomers, in this economy, catering to the "hardcore" element is a mistake, being how most will purchase GT5 already. Plus, do any of you have concrete evidence on GT5 and it's plans in the future? Or is this entire article/thread comprised of nothing but complaining for complaining sake?

Lastly, all of us Playstation diehards should be ever so thankfull to PD for acknowledging the US market for what it is (a place where the PS3 is LAST place), and making a decision to address a different and vast client base. Why is this important? PD wants GT5 to set the sales charts on fire in the US, and so should we. The addition of NASCAR and WRC provide the best chance in doing so.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:37:45 AM

Awesome post dude. Even if people disagree with you they should give you a thumbs up just for a well written post.

Anyway, post was spot on, dead on.

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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:21:50 PM
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offtopic..someone already played Prototype? my 360 friend already downloaded.. the concept and the melee are okay but tbh InFamous>Prototype.

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:16:20 PM
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Yeah...Hey fluffernut...Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's bad either...I'd rather have a choice than none at all.
maxpontiac...I definately couldn't have said (typed) it ANY better! kudos!

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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:22:31 PM

Thank you sir. Back at you!

I am by no means a big NASCAR fan. However, I enjoy the idea of something new coming to my favorite game series, and the lengths the excellent folks at PD are taking to bring us PS3 users a racing experience like none other!!

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fluffer nutter
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:29:09 PM

I agree with you that yes, these are opinions. I didn't once say my information was factual, except about them emo-poo bands. ;)

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firehahahahaha
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:17:18 PM
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I've never liked GT, and I'm not the biggest fan of Nascar either (I can watch it every now and then) but I still thought it was epic when they showed it off in the trailer. It just gives the fans more options of what they want to do in the game, making it the best driving simulator game out there.

But Nascar games are always boring. It'd be extremely fun to drive the car itself, and it can get interesting watching it sometimes, but in a video game it just lacks entertainment. Of course it's always fun to turn around and just make a massive wreck :).

I personaly don't care for any realistic driving game, and I'll always take Burnout over any others.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:23:54 PM

Options.

That my friend, is what it is all about.

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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:45:14 PM
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I'm a HUGE NASCAR fan...That being said, I don't have a problem debating weather NASCAR should or shouldn't be in GT5. It's the people who don't like the sport trying to justify themselves by spewing out the typical rederic that we all (NASCAR fans) hear when trying to defend our sport to ignorant people who won't even give it a chance. It's lame.
Try and be a little more open minded people!!
This is a GOOD thing...GT5 WILL be the ultimate racing sim.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:53:36 PM

LOL, well, there's not much debating whether it should be there, if PD put it there, it's there... ;-)

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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:05:47 PM
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Funny how a possible supplemental and very peripheral feature in a game that's yet to see release generates so very much discussion. I'm gonna go *way* out on a limb and guess that there are a lot of people here who feel passionately about Gran Turismo...

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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:13:13 PM

I love Gran Turismo. It was the reason I bought a Playstation.

Over the years I have grown very fond of it, and eagerly/patiently await every new title in the series.

That's the bottom line.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:40:24 AM

As you can see, im blinded by my passion to a degree ;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:28:25 PM
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I knew this would happen. NASCAR fans are the WORST. If you don't like it, they spend the rest of their lives telling you why you're "wrong" and why you're "ignorant." You may NOTICE that what I wrote is nothing but opinion; I just said I don't like it, and I don't want it in GT. That's all. NOTHING else.

I hate NASCAR. Sorry. I know it takes an incredible amount of skill and I have respect for all athletes. I know it's popular. I do NOT like the rabid fans who have to tell everyone we have to worship at the altar of the sport and add ten lines of disclaimer if we say we don't like it. I KNOW I won't like playing NASCAR in GT; don't try to tell me I "have" to like it or "have" to give it a chance. I KNOW what it is.

So just calm down. Don't give me this "ignorant" or "held you at a higher standard" crap. We're ALLOWED to have opinions. You're all allowed to say you hate RPGs and hate FFT and hate any car I've ever driven and hate what I wear. I REALLY don't care. I'm not about to make personal judgments based on a comment like that. I have no problem with NASCAR fans and I wouldn't say NASCAR takes no skill. I'm not an idiot. But I DO have a problem with rabid, over-reactive fans who immediately launch into a defensive rant when someone expresses a simple opinion.

I'm looking at you, Xanavi. DON'T derail any Comment thread again for no reason whatsoever. No more of this, people.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:44:47 AM

You're looking at me man? Good cause i was looking at you.

You say i derailed this thread? You judge the sport even in GT5 without even playing it. You judge with no experience at least in the world of GT, im not slamming you but thats one definition of ignorance. Then i reply respectful as the word "Ignorant" isn't a slur and then you accuse me of derailing a thread...sure Ben...sure.

Secondly, NASCAR isn't my favorite sport and i don't worship it at the alter. That place is reserved for Le Mans, specifically the European Le Mans series. However to break down the NASCAR sport into just turning left is uneducated, and unbecoming of an educated guy like you.
The turns in NASCAR might be all Lefters but it still makes for some great clean racing.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:50:27 AM

Also you say you have no interest in racing the same car as everyone else which again is flawed.
There are 4 cars in NASCAR, The Camry, The Avenger, The Impala and the Fusion.
However even if a race is comprised of just Chevy's as a "GT fan" and as an educated race fan it should be basic knowledge to you that a change in set-up will make your car much different from your fellow racers.

Sure you can say they have the same body despite wildly different paintjobs but that would be a highly super ficial way of looking at it, and also wrong.

Don't want to nudge a car and get spun round and be in 37th ? Thats simple Ben...don't touch anyone. If you play Prologue then you can find plenty of practice racing around Daytona cleanly in close quarters, thus limiting the odds of you getting screwed like that.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:19:30 AM

Xanavi: WTF is WRONG with you? I only said I didn't LIKE it and I have no INTEREST in it. How can one saying they have no interest in something be "flawed"?!

KNOCK IT OFF. I never once said anything bad or insinuating about NASCAR besides the fact that I don't like it. Nothing. So STOP.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:49:26 PM

"I'm hoping all that NASCAR stuff will be optional in the game because I absolutely refuse to play it. I'm not interested in racing the same car everyone else has, continually turning left and hoping I don't nudge a car, crash, and spend the remainder of a 500-lap race in 37th place." - Ben Dutka - June 7th

You weren't the one who spoke on turning left all day, so i apologize for that. i didn't say you were ignorant for not liking it, i said your view of it was flawed. You say everybody has the same car, wrong...Even Chevys are built and engineered from different teams like RCR, D. Earnhardt Inc, and Tony Stewart, they're also tuned differently, power/torque peaks. They only look the same by way of body panels.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:58:10 PM

Just stop. You derailed the thread for no reason, as I never said anything against NASCAR beside my own personal preference.

Just accept it and move on.

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Mamills
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:34:59 PM
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well GT5 is the real driving simulator, i'm not that big of a fan of nascar personally i like my street races, but hey i dont think it should have been left out. GT is an allrounder, its just another part of it
thats all

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 8:15:38 AM

Amen...GT offers an all in one race experience, this isn't new.

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King James
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:43:29 AM
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I never care for NASCAR. And I've always thought the EA NASCAR games were crap. But if Polyphony Digital is putting it in GT5...I'll play the NASCAR races. But only if it features Will Ferrell as Ricky Bobby. =D

SHAKE & BAKE!

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AntDC
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 4:27:44 AM
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Urgh either way Gran Turismo 5 is going to be amazing. I honestly couldn't care less for NASCAR,and find it excrutiatingly boring.

>>>>>>>>>>>"IN MY OPINION"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Just thought I'd make that whole opinion thing clear.

But I think it's cool to have it as an addition.





Disclaimer: This comment is an opinion and therefore does not represent the views as fact and is intended solely as my perspective.
All Rights Reserved.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:58:15 AM

Be careful! Even disclaimers apparently have no impact on the NASCAR loyalists. 'rolling eyes'

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CH1N00K
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:08:40 AM
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Putting NASCAR into GT5 is a smart marketing move. It will get a lot of American sales, which is what Polyphony is going to need after the amount of time and money they've spent on this game. The old GT's were more European based.

From a marketing/sales perspective..It's a smart move. Although I'd like to know whether NASCAR paid PD to have it in there, or if PD paid Nascar...be interesting to see.

That being said, I've tried watching NASCAR. I can't do it. Can't stand it. The only exciting thing I find about it are the crashes and if I want to see them, I go watch TSN for the highlights. The only Nascar courses I find somewhat interesting are the road courses, where they also turn right (Watkins glen?) I love watching CART races, I love watching F1, I love the GT class cars, love Rally, I even like the Mazda speed series. I don't like Indy because they drive in circles too...Yes they are extraordinary athletes to be able to focus for that long but my god..it's so boring to watch! I have seen NASCAR races live (they've recently started coming to Canada) and that was a bit better experience because you get swept up in the mood of the crowd. but it's a crowd that for the most part seemed to use the race as an excuse to get ripped and hang their beer belly's out on national television, much like America's most watched sport, football. (American football to be precise) But I'm sorry, compared to the other racing genre's out there, I find Nascar to be the equivalent of an American watching a Soccer match...it's just not that interesting. But it's where the money is as other drivers are switching over to race it. (Montoya, Tracy...to name a few.)

Ben, I can see where you're coming from and agree with you from a gaming point of view. When I get the game, Nascar will be the least played section of it for me. But with the economy the way it is now, in order to get Americans to buy this game, PD had to throw NASCAR in there. Who knows? it might be good for Sony fans, as more people may switch to Sony for this game because of a decent Nascar simulation.

For ctd699 and Xanavi23, I can see why you took offense to this. You both obviously love NASCAR, and you feel as though your sport has been attacked. It's the equivalent of telling a Canadian that Hockey and Beer aren't that important.(Ya don't know what you're talking aboot der, eh?!!)

Like I said I think from a sales point of view it makes sense, but the reason I bought my first GT game way back on the PS1? Because it wasn't NASCAR..it was GT class racing, with cars you could buy from a dealer and modify it to a road race car. NASCAR doesn't really afford that option. If they do that, they may as well throw in F1 too (except the guys running F1 probably wanted to much money, stupid Max Mosley)

A questions I have though, is if you start throwing in all of these different genre's of racing, at what point does the GT name stop being a GT game? I mean why not throw in off road trucks too? Or maybe motorbikes, (Which by the way is one of the most exciting racing formats to watch. Ever watched a bike take the corkscrew at Laguna Seca?) Heck why don't we add Red Bull Air racing too? I think you see where I'm going with this. It would be nice to have all racing formats under one roof for everyone I guess, But doesn't that just make the game another Motorstorm or Burnout with more emphasis on simulation?

I applaud what PD has done to appeal to a wider audience, but I don't necessarily like it
from my gaming point of view.


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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:57:03 PM

Great Post Chin00k
You might be right, but i don't mind somebody who hates it, not by any means. Humans have different tastes in every way imaginable.
But if you're(not you) going to talk about why you hate it, you should at least be accurate in your break down of the sport. Turning left all day, maybe i'll give you that.

Saying that all 43 cars are the same car is just plain uninformed especially when each Team is limited to a maximum of four cars.

Example: Richard Childress Racing(RCR) runs the Chevy, they have 4 cars. All the other Chevy's you see belong to different teams and as such offer a different ride and even powerband because they're built as long as they fall within specifications.

At the end of the day, no one should really complain, its just more cars and even if there is a very length Foruma GT style NASCAR GT race, you don't have to do it unless you want that last completion percentage for the 100% completion prize car that will no doubt be offered. If you want that car THEN you have to do the NASCAR races some may hate.

GT won't be the first game that forces you to do things you hate to get that lucrative 100%.

Don't worry about GT losing its way. The original reason Kaz made GT was so that he had a racing game he liked and wanted to play, as you probably knew. Its still the only game he really plays so while im sure he respects NASCAR, its obviously not his cup of tea so at least that particular sport won't be the focus of GT5 by any stretch of the imagination. Even if there are 200lap races, thats nothing new to GT and not something that will in any way reflect the total view of the game.

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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 4:07:11 PM
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Alright, im done, my word.

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MadPowerBomber
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 6:00:30 PM
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3D Castlevania hasn't worked, but it doesn't mean it won't work this time around. The best CV game in my opinion wasn't that original, after all. Symphony of the Night had very little elements as far as storytelling really go, and borrowed a LOT of gameplay elements from Super Metroid; but Iga made it work, and I don't recall a single person saying that it wasn't "Castlevania" like when it came out.

I disagree whole-heartedly. It felt just like a CV game to me, and one done in a 3D world that worked. The ominous settings, the unreal giant bosses, the creepy monsters. It was very Castlevania like.

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crawdaddy
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:47:19 PM
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It doesn't matter what you like in a game. It doesn't matter what anybody likes, or dislikes in a game. The developers make the game they want to make, and put whatever they want in a game, and we either play them or we don't. That is the way it is with all games. That is the way it has always been. They make them and we play them. Or not!

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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 6:00:49 AM
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Whoa, what just happened....?

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