Ben's Week In Review: June 7
View Large ImageWell, E3 is over and...I...'yawn' ...okay, have to stay awake long enough to write this.
Do I have sudden reservations about Gran Turismo 5?
Yes. Yes, I do. I'm not doubting the game's quality; I'm absolutely convinced it will be as close to perfection as Yamauchi and Co. can get (their pursuit of a flawless production is why they're not releasing it now). But at the same time, I realized I was looking at NASCAR in that trailer they showed off during Sony's E3 press conference. I knew there would be Rally, but then again, there always has been so it wasn't exactly a shock. And of course, the video was gorgeous...but here's the thing: I hate NASCAR. Hate it. I wish it would go away forever (even though I know it won't). I'm hoping all that NASCAR stuff will be optional in the game because I absolutely refuse to play it. I'm not interested in racing the same car everyone else has, continually turning left and hoping I don't nudge a car, crash, and spend the remainder of a 500-lap race in 37th place. I'm just not sure Yamauchi thought this one through; what GT fan walked up to him one day and said, "hey, you know what'd be awesome to have in GT5? NASCAR!" Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee that nobody said any such thing.
NASCAR fans will buy NASCAR games. I seriously doubt they'll buy GT5, which still has its focus in road racing. I also doubt that GT fans have any interest in NASCAR whatsoever, and because a lot of that trailer involved the one racing sport I hate more than anything else - with the lone exception of NHRA - I have to admit to being a little perturbed. They're not really going to make me do this, are they? Please God, don't let it be so...
Castlevania = direct God of War rip-off?
So that "mask" turned out to be the logo for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, and as great as that trailer was, it just doesn't feel like Castlevania. Yeah, I knew it couldn't possibly be 2D in this day and age but even so, this franchise always had a very distinct atmosphere and flair to it. It was darker and more mystical, as most any good vampire production should be...and that leads me to my next issue: there are going to be vampires in this game, right? Isn't that the point of the original CV? Richter Belmont? You know, the vampire hunter? Then there was Dracula's son, Alucard, in Symphony of the Night? In that trailer, it appears the new character is Gabriel and he fights all sorts of amazing-looking beasts, but I really felt like I was looking at another GoW iteration. Since the success of that franchise, third-person action games have been taking cues from SCEA's efforts for years, but this may be a little blatant. I mean, does anyone notice how close that whip is to Kratos' default blades? And look at how the game moves...
I'm not necessarily complaining because I love GoW. And if Konami makes it good, I'll definitely want to play it. But it almost seems like the death of a classic franchise when I watch that trailer. Honestly, I think they should've brought Richter back in next-gen form and continued a story from the old NES Castlevanias, or something. And obviously, there's zero chance of ever seeing Alucard return in a SotN sequel, but that's what I'd dream about.
Personal gaming update
So while I had plenty of fun with Red Faction: Guerrilla, I still find inFamous to be more fun and indeed, even addictive. I'm one mission from advancing into the second portion of the city, and I've taken the time to liberate 100% of the Neon District. I did all the side missions I could find and I'm going the complete Hero route, just 'cuz I think I'll get cooler powers and stuff. I could be wrong; I don't know, but I've already got those grenades, this concentrated blast that really does damage, the lightning that chains to other enemies if you get a headshot, and this new ability that slows down time and basically lets you snipe with your power. It drains a ton of energy really fast, but it's still major cool. Just running around the city seems to be endless fun. :)
After this, I figure I'll return to FFVIII, maybe until my birthday rolls around in early August and I can get Resident Evil 5, which I unfortunately missed out on. Beyond that, I'm just waiting on the super huge titles of the fall, although I'll be interested to see how Batman: Arkham Asylum turns out... As for anything else, I can't really think of anything. Besides the fact that women really are insane and I'm just about ready to say g'bye to all crazy people. No need to over-complicate my life. Really.
6/6/2009 Ben Dutka
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Comments (149 posts)
Tim Speed24
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:32:28 AM
If you are a big fan of racing you would understand why it is included. NASCAR is one of the most popular race series in the world.
Danica Patrick is considering leaving Indy Cars to race in NASCAR just like many other drivers have done. Tony Stewart didn't start in NASCAR but NASCAR is what made him a well known name in racing.
I have to totally disagree wih Ben on this one because I for one jumped for joy when I saw that E3 trailer. EA sports has never done NASCAR justice, thank goodness for Polyphony Digital.
And it is not just about turning left, if you watched the sport you would understand. Also I live in New York so this is not just for race fans in the southern US.
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wano
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:36:31 AM
Im from the uk and am not into watchin NASCAR at all. I cant even remember watching any full races to be honest. But if any one here has played prologue to the end (using gears and trying to get golds on each race), they would know that certain races (not NASCAR ones) depend on this style of driving (drafting / slipstreaming the car in front) or you cant win the race.
I was really excited when I saw NASCAR in the treailer, because to me it ment POLY are trying to incude a massive amount of depth to the game. If they can shoe horn F1 and Touring Car in there, it might just be the best driving / racing sim of all time.
Looks like danmage and weather effects are coming also (which to me, are there hardest goals as they have to look and react as good as the rest of the game)
Bring it on POLY, i want everything...
Last edited by wano on 6/7/2009 8:48:20 AM
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coldbore
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:14:50 AM
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Thrill Kill
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:21:58 AM
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ThugNificent101
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:43:32 PM
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I actually thought the same when i watched the trailer!
and a continuation... well i was never able to complete the original Castlevania (which i havent played in some years); so i would have to pick it up again before i played that... just so i could have that feeling of accomplishment.
You know... im going to do it anyways. I guess I may as well put my nintendo wii to use.
Last edited by ThugNificent101 on 6/6/2009 11:46:42 PM
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Highlander
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:48:00 PM
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Anyway, I digress. I live in the Southern US and *I* still dislike this idea. Please Polyphony, don't make me play NASCAR, if I wanted to play NASCAR I'd go buy an EA game. Please note, I haven't ever done that, so why would I start now?
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Reccaman18
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:19:35 PM
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Veritas Vincit
Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:50:40 PM
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JDC80
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:36:24 AM
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Based on GT's reputation as a true racing sim I think it's going to attract a lot of people who love NASCAR and who own a PS3 or it's going to get people out to the stores to get a PS3.
Commenting on the personal gaming note: I'm going to cash in on late birthday gifts so hopefully I'll be playing "Infamous" and "Ghostbusters" the video game by the end of the month.
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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:43:36 AM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:13:01 AM
Formula One is flawed to the core.
I have No Mullet and my surname doesn't qualify as a first name so your point is very ignorant. Any number of people from all walks of life love NASCAR, step out from under your rock.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:18:38 PM
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Wage SLAVES
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 5:40:45 AM
A mullet...
I didn't know Dikes liked NASCAR...
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redman479
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:52:31 AM
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Ogibillm
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:46:04 AM
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Jed
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:44 AM
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I guess castlevania is one of those games I missed out on. I was one of the kids who had a genesis, and never played on playstation, but I can understand your frustration.
inFamous = cocane in blu-ray form. I HAVE TO FIND ALL THE SHARDS!!! At least they show up on the radar. I love being a super hero, except the part where water kills you. But I live in west texas so It's not like I have to worry about falling in a river or anything.
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Xbox_Killer
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:49:57 AM
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I've played NASCAR games and couldn't get into any of them.
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Geobaldi
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:58:12 AM
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jlch777
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:27:22 AM
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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:53:34 AM
God I miss those! :*(
GT2 had Pikes Peak! FUN FUN FUN!
Wish there were some really good point to point racing games. The only one I can think of is Rally Cross for ps1.
Last edited by Scarecrow on 6/7/2009 2:57:44 AM
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Naga
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:11:33 PM
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G-WiZ199
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:45:31 AM
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If any game looks more like a GOW knock off it would be Metroid: Project M. The new Metroid was just made so Nintendo can say "Hey, we make titles for hardcore gamers"...Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Nintendo, you need to stay in your own lane and stick to making games for The Brady Bunch families.
On a side note, I saw The Hangover. Hands down best buddy movie of the last 10 years (yes its better then American Pie, Old School, and Wedding Crashers). Pure comedy.
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Dealnightfire
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:17:51 AM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:15:06 AM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:06:39 AM
I suspect that a lot of people could care less if it's included so long as they aren't force to do NASCAR races as part of completing the game.
Regarding your comments above about F1 and Ferrari, you kinda need to throw a link into that otherwise your accusation looks like nothing more than a churlish accusation. On a broader note, F1 hasn't been truly competitive racing for years. Numerous rule changes to the 'sport' have made overtaking during races very difficult and as a result more races are won based on starting position, pit strategy and car reliability than anything else. Pretty poor considering just how exciting F1 used to be, in days gone by.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:10:36 PM
I don't need to give you a link for my accusations, if you don't know about what went on, thats your problem.
No offense.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 5:55:29 PM
If you can't/won't supply a link for what you're saying about Ferrari, that's fine. I don't really care wither was as I gave up watching F1 when it became little more than a 70 lap formation parade from start to finish, punctuated by pit stops and predictable breakdowns.
Still it's pretty weak to throw out an accusation about an entire sporting body and not have at least one link to post when challenged. No offense though...
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:04:24 PM
I try to watch F1 as the cars are gorgeous and the highest form of auto racing but its painful.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:11:06 PM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:14:01 PM
Its good to see Brawn, a privateer winning, how long it lasts, we'll see.
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KevinCairo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:18:33 AM
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As for lord of shadows, I think it looks a million times better than dantes inferno. Seriously, I'm so pissed about that game, and frankly I can't believe anyone would call lord of shadows out before flaming dantes inferno (pun not intended).
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:16:04 AM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:10:44 AM
Before you say it, the same things are true of Indy and F1. F1 used to be different, but it's changed greatly over the last 20 years. Cart racing has actually got better in recent years. IMHO of course.
But really, let's be honest, NASCAR is the poster child of simple oval racing.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:13:11 PM
All of them...because it doesn't matter how reliable or trouble free a car is...if the driver can't drive the thing properly he won't "be there at the end of the day". He won't be in First position nor will he be able to outlast others on car alone. Endurance racing is all about that, but it doesn't matter how long your car can last if you don't have the driver to keep it at the front.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:20:52 PM
NASCAR is so simple ? Ya...going through a turn at 145mph and then blazing down a straightaway to a top speed of 210mph is boring? All the while having just a paper's width between you and the guy in front of you and only 3 inches of clearance from the guy to your immediate left. It takes a hell of alot of skill to drive so fast through such corners and not hit everybody else.
Sure everybody focuses on the crashes that happen in NASCAR but nobody focuses on the 98% of the race that has virtually no contact or accidents.
It takes a hell of alot of skill and genuine mettle to be a NASCAR driver. By your decree highlander Montoya should be dominating NASCAR given he was the only driver who could hold pace with Schumachers F1 car...but i don't think he's won a race yet.
You can't say its the car because...even with such a more primitive car..NASCAR is supposed to be SOOO easy right Highlander?
Nope and thats why a great driver like Montoya still licks the cats @$$, its not his fault its just a very hard/competitive sport.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:01:12 PM
You really do need to stop taking this like it's some challenge to you personally. Just because someone thinks oval racing is boring and requires less skill than another kind of racing does not require you to pop off as you have.
I already acknowledged that oval racing is a race of endurance both of the car and driver. But I stand by my assertion that it does not take as much driving skill as a road course. Oval racing has a very specific set of skills, but from a pure driving point of view Rally and Road racing exercise a far broader range of driving skills.
I don't much care either way since I'm not now, nor have I ever been a big fan of NASCAR, and so as far as I am concerned it's of no consequence either way, so long as I am not forced to participate.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:06:14 PM
I respect NASCAR drivers thus i stick up for them. This comment section is meant to be a place where we converse, n'est ce pas ?
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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:39:19 AM
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Everything that surrounds Nascar is dirty. And I don't wanna spend 2-3 hours racing a stupid looking car around a circle.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:22:41 PM
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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:13:15 AM
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but i highly doubt that the game will focus too much on it anyway so it's whatever
NASCAR IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF GASOLINE EVER!!!
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Tim Speed24
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:39:31 AM
I fall asleep during some of the F1 races on TV but that doesn't make it a bad sport.
See what you started Ben, a forum of Hate......and you always preach against it....I'm sad now.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:18:15 AM
F1 is so good ? Its a farce, starting with FIA paying Ferrari 80 million a season for 4-5 years to keep them in the sport. 80Million to any other team, even BMW would have made all the different in terms of competitiveness. At least NASCAR continually tries to change for the better, F1 just becomes more of a joke due to its governing body.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:31:21 AM
So many fans who love Le Mans racing...WANT NASCAR....but you lead people to believe that just because you and a few others don't want NASCAR, that us GT veterans don't. You don't like NASCAR so you proceed to assume for us Ben ? Don't speak for others when you don't know what they think or want because no disrespect, you're pretty off base.
Many of us GT vets did wake up one day and say; "Hey we love roadcourse/GT racing...taht should take the priority in every single GT game, never should change....but hey, a little NASCAR wouldn't hurt."
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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:11:54 PM
it's not that much better than nascar
but it is slightly more exciting
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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:15:33 PM
personally i have never heard any of my buddies that are die hard GT fans say they want NASCAR in GT
but whatever
Last edited by Qwarktast1c on 6/7/2009 6:18:36 PM
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HOODGE
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 5:22:18 AM
So there is gonna be something for everyone no matter what tickles your fancy. So don't any one panic. Just relax. And it is true, adding all those forms of racing is gonna attract millions to the game. You want GT5 to be the PS3 hardware seller don't you? Well by incorporating top technical quality and all those race formats to the game it is gonna rock the world. So cmon lets be incredibly happy!!
Also in regards to FM3 in an interview I saw, Dan Greenwalt is also gonna have stockcars in the game even tho he didn't acquire the Nascar license like PD did. So it's not the end of the world.
Last edited by HOODGE on 6/8/2009 5:24:06 AM
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aaronisbla
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:21:22 AM
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However as you will see been, Homing Rockets kicks all forms of ass, but the hero only power kinda sucks
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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:29:44 PM
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RustEDalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:01:51 AM
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Midris7
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:36:20 PM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:26:05 PM
Only people with no geniune interest in the sport watch for crashes.
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Jalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:03:09 AM
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Oh, and I must agree with you, Ben. That trailer didn't really have that 'Castlevania' feel to it to me, either.
It did remind me of 'God of War' (and 'God of War'-like games), as well as the trailers for 'Oblivion' (probably due to Patrick Stewart, though).
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tes37
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:06:53 AM
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I have a cousin that races NHRA and that's not so bad, at least they're not going in circles.
Infamous is very addictive, it's one of the best games I've played on PS3.
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:10:55 AM
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Secondly, Picture this. You grab your number 88 Chevy Stock Car(NASCAR) and you create a race online of mixed competition. A few drivers have similar Stock cars to yours, other have DTM and GT3 cars, the 3 classes have a tournament show down. While the NASCARs lack the handling and agility of the other 2...they make up for it in brute force.
Furthermore with the car of tomorrow, the cars are better suited than ever for the purposes in GT.
Ben it seems you have forgotten what GT is really about. GT/road course racing, sure there will be even more ovals in GT5Full but it would be foolish to think that new gen NASCAR fans like myself would only want to drive around an oval for 500 laps.
Me ? I plan on grabbing a NASCAR ASAP and running and testing it around the Ring and Suzuka as well as Fuji. I'll still do Stock car only races but at least as much as that, i'll be GT racing my NASCARs especially if i can drop weight down by any degree.
Lastly ben, believe it or not you are a minority here. Many GT fans prefer GT racing by far over NASCAR/stock car racing but they still have alot of taste for it, and want it included.
Hell a year or so ago on the PSU forums almost everybody HATED the idea of NASCAR and now that they saw the trailer even the most opposed haters from that time a year ago love the idea of NASCAR.
Forget just NASCAR circuit racing, this opens the whole world of GT up for a new level "race car" competition. What's not to love about a 850hp 7.4L classicly built V8 powerhouse, especially when the torque figures match hp or break the hp figure.
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RustEDalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:41:02 AM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:13:27 AM
Indeed. They could put BIgWheel racing in the game, so long as a) I don't *have* to do it, and b) they bloody well release the game before 2010.
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bamf
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:49:50 AM
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I do feel Ben you could have said the exact same thing about them including Rally into GT games if you didnt like Rally and thought the sport was pointless. But I do get where your coming from.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:14:05 AM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:42 PM
I think in 1p mode, NASCAR will be like Formula 1 was in GT3 and GT4. It will probably a long championship with each race being 150-200 laps depending on course length, there will be some ovals but probably some GT classics like Midfield raceway, High Speed Ring etc and the NASCAR road courses, watkins glen, Circuit Villenueve.
I think there might be a few NASCAR endurance races in the Endurance hall.
Online would be up to you.
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HeXeN
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:35:41 AM
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NoMoreWar
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:38:31 AM
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i can't imagine that you'll HAVE to play in a series that you don't want to.
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crawdaddy
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 11:34:48 AM
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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:05:49 PM
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they must do a 2D ACTION/RPG using all the power of the next gen consoles.
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Jalex
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:10:36 PM
Last edited by Jalex on 6/7/2009 10:12:36 PM
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sunspider13
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 @ 2:37:12 AM
I do agree however that a Castlevania game in 2.5D with the tech of this gen would rule and I would never see the sun, just like the undead. Even better include Alucard and that game would be a must buy for me.
Last edited by sunspider13 on 6/9/2009 2:39:08 AM
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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:21:41 PM
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You also try to make a point about F1 and REAL driving\drivers...yet the best drivers from F1 and Indy are all coming to NASCAR Juan Montoya ,Scott Speed, Sam Hornish just to name a few and will ALL tell you where the best drivers in the world race! At least you call it a sport. Your stereotypical vews of NASCAR (a'la average haters)is very evident, Just is as your ignorant views of the sport. ya got blinders on!
Just because you don't like NASCAR doesn't mean it's a bad idea... Personally I think it belongs there!...But I guess I'm somewhat biased myself!!...P.S. Mark Martin RULES!!! GO #5!!!!
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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:32:40 PM
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Hey Ben... Me and you bud! Let's go to some races... I guarntee you'll have a different point of view! Don't knock it until you tried it bro!!!
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Karosso
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:49:47 PM
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Look! They're making another left turn!
Goes into commercial, comes back 5 minutes later and...
Look! They're making a left turn!
You didn't miss a f#&%!ng thing
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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:58:16 PM
Oh, c'mon now. It was a joke. Don't get so prudish on me now.
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Geobaldi
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:03:47 PM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:04:27 PM
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SkantDragon
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:55:29 PM
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And I agree with you that NASCAR is boring. It's not about racing. There's relatively little driver skill involved. It's a spectator sport, and spectators watch it for all the wild crashes. It's easy for spectators to understand. Whereas road racing takes some in depth understanding to appreciate.
However...
I don't feel too concerned that NASCAR is being included in GT5. Gran Turismo has already branched into various other forms of racing. And they haven't required players to play through those forms to 'win the game'. You get to the end credits by beating the road racing series, and I'm sure that won't change.
For instance, they've never required you to play the endurance racing series. You weren't required to play through rally either. I'm sure they're not going to require you to play through NASCAR either.
Personally, what I'm more concerned about is the inclusion of drifting. GT5 prologue exhibits an unrealistic amount of oversteer in all of the rear wheel drive cars... presumably to facilitate the drifting events. I find that _very_ annoying. I don't want them to sacrifice the realism accuracy of the game in a play for drifting fans.
Of course, I see a lot of people singing praises for that saying it's more realistic, not less. This is people who drive front wheel drive cars in RL, and believe rear wheel drive cars have 'huge amounts of oversteer'. I've driven and/or raced lots of rear wheel drive vehicles in RL. They don't.
Anyway... I'll just deal with it. You can still tune the cars, so I just tune the crazy oversteer out of it until it feels like a real car. Problem solved.
I'll probably try the NASCAR a bit just to confirm I still don't like it. And then ignore it like probably a lot of their existing fans will. And I think Polyphony expects that.
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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:01:09 PM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:06:19 PM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:08:49 PM
Its called Quick Tune and you can tune performance AND the suspension and transmission settings, all of which directly affect oversteer.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:52:13 PM
I was meaning that I would hope that in the full game the over-steer that's present in Prologue would only be there as a tunable option. Instead of being ever present as it is on rear wheel drive cars in Prlogue.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:38:27 AM
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Craigo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 12:56:46 PM
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Nice week review :)
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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:46:47 PM
Freedom of choice*
I am as American as anyone else.
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Craigo
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:02:47 PM
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The Stig
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:34:12 PM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:10:15 PM
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ArnoldK PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 1:47:23 PM
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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:30:09 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:31:07 PM
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:53:28 AM
I don't think there will be many of those, probably only 1-2 endurances.
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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 2:18:27 PM
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Ignorance IS bliss!
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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:35:41 PM
it is the #1 spectator sport in the world
FACT
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CH1N00K
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 9:19:46 AM
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The Stig
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 11:04:38 AM
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NYfanatic
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:10:15 PM
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fluffer nutter
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:27:07 PM
EDIT: This was a reply to ctd669, and I clicked on it but somehow it got put under NYfanatic. Hooray.
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Oyashiro
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:38:32 PM
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Xanavi23
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:47 PM
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Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:09:29 PM
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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:40 PM
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Xanavi23
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Oxvial
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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:42 PM
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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 3:54:45 PM
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ThugNificent101
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 4:53:20 PM
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I couldn't really see what the big deal was with the inclusion of NASCAR, but a lot of people sure did. I have no real problem with it being in the game, though i personaly cant stand NASCAR.
In all truthfulness, I'll probably try it once and that will be the end of it, but there will obviously be many who will stick with it.
All this talk about GT makes me want to play it... Im going to play GT3 now ;D
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HighLife
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 6:18:30 PM
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Like Scarecrow said I want Pikes Peak back, I could do that for hours.
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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:18:44 PM
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Secondly, this thread is comprised of ignorance to degree that I hoped I would never see on this site. Anyone stating that NASCAR racing does not require skill, is rather foolish in doing so. I would also bet that no one here is a semi-professional/professional race car driver. Therefore, NONE of you possess the knowledge to state such an absurd assumption. You think it's boring, fine. Now while I somewhat agree with that, you really should not throw out rediculous and/or uneducated statements such as NASCAR requiring little skill. I suggest you do some proper research on the subject, for you might find one or two road course drivers finding out quite the opposite.
Thirdly, and one could consider this as a PSA. Let me hopefully bring some relief to the mental anguish some of you are experiencing over GT5/NASCAR. There are plenty of road races on the series, so one can realistically expect plenty of road racing in NASCAR related career play. Take a look at some of the tracks in NSACAR, and educate yourselves in the matter. I hope this helps.
Fourthly, has anyone here even considered the business decision regarding NASCAR? The US is not into road racing like the rest of the world, but there are plenty of NASCAR fans out there. Why not make your product readily available for more consomers, in this economy, catering to the "hardcore" element is a mistake, being how most will purchase GT5 already. Plus, do any of you have concrete evidence on GT5 and it's plans in the future? Or is this entire article/thread comprised of nothing but complaining for complaining sake?
Lastly, all of us Playstation diehards should be ever so thankfull to PD for acknowledging the US market for what it is (a place where the PS3 is LAST place), and making a decision to address a different and vast client base. Why is this important? PD wants GT5 to set the sales charts on fire in the US, and so should we. The addition of NASCAR and WRC provide the best chance in doing so.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:37:45 AM
Anyway, post was spot on, dead on.
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Oxvial
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 7:21:50 PM
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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:16:20 PM
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maxpontiac...I definately couldn't have said (typed) it ANY better! kudos!
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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:22:31 PM
I am by no means a big NASCAR fan. However, I enjoy the idea of something new coming to my favorite game series, and the lengths the excellent folks at PD are taking to bring us PS3 users a racing experience like none other!!
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fluffer nutter
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:29:09 PM
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firehahahahaha
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:17:18 PM
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But Nascar games are always boring. It'd be extremely fun to drive the car itself, and it can get interesting watching it sometimes, but in a video game it just lacks entertainment. Of course it's always fun to turn around and just make a massive wreck :).
I personaly don't care for any realistic driving game, and I'll always take Burnout over any others.
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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:23:54 PM
That my friend, is what it is all about.
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ctd669
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:45:14 PM
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Try and be a little more open minded people!!
This is a GOOD thing...GT5 WILL be the ultimate racing sim.
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 8:53:36 PM
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Highlander
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:05:47 PM
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maxpontiac
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:13:13 PM
Over the years I have grown very fond of it, and eagerly/patiently await every new title in the series.
That's the bottom line.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:40:24 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 9:28:25 PM
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I hate NASCAR. Sorry. I know it takes an incredible amount of skill and I have respect for all athletes. I know it's popular. I do NOT like the rabid fans who have to tell everyone we have to worship at the altar of the sport and add ten lines of disclaimer if we say we don't like it. I KNOW I won't like playing NASCAR in GT; don't try to tell me I "have" to like it or "have" to give it a chance. I KNOW what it is.
So just calm down. Don't give me this "ignorant" or "held you at a higher standard" crap. We're ALLOWED to have opinions. You're all allowed to say you hate RPGs and hate FFT and hate any car I've ever driven and hate what I wear. I REALLY don't care. I'm not about to make personal judgments based on a comment like that. I have no problem with NASCAR fans and I wouldn't say NASCAR takes no skill. I'm not an idiot. But I DO have a problem with rabid, over-reactive fans who immediately launch into a defensive rant when someone expresses a simple opinion.
I'm looking at you, Xanavi. DON'T derail any Comment thread again for no reason whatsoever. No more of this, people.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:44:47 AM
You say i derailed this thread? You judge the sport even in GT5 without even playing it. You judge with no experience at least in the world of GT, im not slamming you but thats one definition of ignorance. Then i reply respectful as the word "Ignorant" isn't a slur and then you accuse me of derailing a thread...sure Ben...sure.
Secondly, NASCAR isn't my favorite sport and i don't worship it at the alter. That place is reserved for Le Mans, specifically the European Le Mans series. However to break down the NASCAR sport into just turning left is uneducated, and unbecoming of an educated guy like you.
The turns in NASCAR might be all Lefters but it still makes for some great clean racing.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 7:50:27 AM
There are 4 cars in NASCAR, The Camry, The Avenger, The Impala and the Fusion.
However even if a race is comprised of just Chevy's as a "GT fan" and as an educated race fan it should be basic knowledge to you that a change in set-up will make your car much different from your fellow racers.
Sure you can say they have the same body despite wildly different paintjobs but that would be a highly super ficial way of looking at it, and also wrong.
Don't want to nudge a car and get spun round and be in 37th ? Thats simple Ben...don't touch anyone. If you play Prologue then you can find plenty of practice racing around Daytona cleanly in close quarters, thus limiting the odds of you getting screwed like that.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:19:30 AM
KNOCK IT OFF. I never once said anything bad or insinuating about NASCAR besides the fact that I don't like it. Nothing. So STOP.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:49:26 PM
You weren't the one who spoke on turning left all day, so i apologize for that. i didn't say you were ignorant for not liking it, i said your view of it was flawed. You say everybody has the same car, wrong...Even Chevys are built and engineered from different teams like RCR, D. Earnhardt Inc, and Tony Stewart, they're also tuned differently, power/torque peaks. They only look the same by way of body panels.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:58:10 PM
Just accept it and move on.
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Mamills
Sunday, June 07, 2009 @ 10:34:59 PM
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thats all
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 8:15:38 AM
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King James
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 1:43:29 AM
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SHAKE & BAKE!
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AntDC
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 4:27:44 AM
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>>>>>>>>>>>"IN MY OPINION"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Just thought I'd make that whole opinion thing clear.
But I think it's cool to have it as an addition.
Disclaimer: This comment is an opinion and therefore does not represent the views as fact and is intended solely as my perspective.
All Rights Reserved.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:58:15 AM
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CH1N00K
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:08:40 AM
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From a marketing/sales perspective..It's a smart move. Although I'd like to know whether NASCAR paid PD to have it in there, or if PD paid Nascar...be interesting to see.
That being said, I've tried watching NASCAR. I can't do it. Can't stand it. The only exciting thing I find about it are the crashes and if I want to see them, I go watch TSN for the highlights. The only Nascar courses I find somewhat interesting are the road courses, where they also turn right (Watkins glen?) I love watching CART races, I love watching F1, I love the GT class cars, love Rally, I even like the Mazda speed series. I don't like Indy because they drive in circles too...Yes they are extraordinary athletes to be able to focus for that long but my god..it's so boring to watch! I have seen NASCAR races live (they've recently started coming to Canada) and that was a bit better experience because you get swept up in the mood of the crowd. but it's a crowd that for the most part seemed to use the race as an excuse to get ripped and hang their beer belly's out on national television, much like America's most watched sport, football. (American football to be precise) But I'm sorry, compared to the other racing genre's out there, I find Nascar to be the equivalent of an American watching a Soccer match...it's just not that interesting. But it's where the money is as other drivers are switching over to race it. (Montoya, Tracy...to name a few.)
Ben, I can see where you're coming from and agree with you from a gaming point of view. When I get the game, Nascar will be the least played section of it for me. But with the economy the way it is now, in order to get Americans to buy this game, PD had to throw NASCAR in there. Who knows? it might be good for Sony fans, as more people may switch to Sony for this game because of a decent Nascar simulation.
For ctd699 and Xanavi23, I can see why you took offense to this. You both obviously love NASCAR, and you feel as though your sport has been attacked. It's the equivalent of telling a Canadian that Hockey and Beer aren't that important.(Ya don't know what you're talking aboot der, eh?!!)
Like I said I think from a sales point of view it makes sense, but the reason I bought my first GT game way back on the PS1? Because it wasn't NASCAR..it was GT class racing, with cars you could buy from a dealer and modify it to a road race car. NASCAR doesn't really afford that option. If they do that, they may as well throw in F1 too (except the guys running F1 probably wanted to much money, stupid Max Mosley)
A questions I have though, is if you start throwing in all of these different genre's of racing, at what point does the GT name stop being a GT game? I mean why not throw in off road trucks too? Or maybe motorbikes, (Which by the way is one of the most exciting racing formats to watch. Ever watched a bike take the corkscrew at Laguna Seca?) Heck why don't we add Red Bull Air racing too? I think you see where I'm going with this. It would be nice to have all racing formats under one roof for everyone I guess, But doesn't that just make the game another Motorstorm or Burnout with more emphasis on simulation?
I applaud what PD has done to appeal to a wider audience, but I don't necessarily like it
from my gaming point of view.
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Xanavi23
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 2:57:03 PM
You might be right, but i don't mind somebody who hates it, not by any means. Humans have different tastes in every way imaginable.
But if you're(not you) going to talk about why you hate it, you should at least be accurate in your break down of the sport. Turning left all day, maybe i'll give you that.
Saying that all 43 cars are the same car is just plain uninformed especially when each Team is limited to a maximum of four cars.
Example: Richard Childress Racing(RCR) runs the Chevy, they have 4 cars. All the other Chevy's you see belong to different teams and as such offer a different ride and even powerband because they're built as long as they fall within specifications.
At the end of the day, no one should really complain, its just more cars and even if there is a very length Foruma GT style NASCAR GT race, you don't have to do it unless you want that last completion percentage for the 100% completion prize car that will no doubt be offered. If you want that car THEN you have to do the NASCAR races some may hate.
GT won't be the first game that forces you to do things you hate to get that lucrative 100%.
Don't worry about GT losing its way. The original reason Kaz made GT was so that he had a racing game he liked and wanted to play, as you probably knew. Its still the only game he really plays so while im sure he respects NASCAR, its obviously not his cup of tea so at least that particular sport won't be the focus of GT5 by any stretch of the imagination. Even if there are 200lap races, thats nothing new to GT and not something that will in any way reflect the total view of the game.
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MadPowerBomber
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 6:00:30 PM
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I disagree whole-heartedly. It felt just like a CV game to me, and one done in a 3D world that worked. The ominous settings, the unreal giant bosses, the creepy monsters. It was very Castlevania like.
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crawdaddy
Monday, June 08, 2009 @ 10:47:19 PM
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Gogaku
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Saturday, June 06, 2009 @ 11:40:43 PM
A lot of Americans love nascar, and if they become aware of the incredible realism of GT5 they will most likely pick the game up. It's all about how Sony will advertise the game when it finally comes out (not saying they should sell it as a nascar game, but if they show off the amazing graphics, the hundreds of cars, the great variation of tracks, and the different licenses they've got, nascar included, I think GT5 will sell VERY well in the states). Less is not always more, especially not when it comes to videogames :)