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Will A Universal Console Promote Maturity?

Earlier this week, Denis Dyack said that our current multiple console format in the industry is slowing us down, and that we should take a step forward, learn from the movies, and produce a universal console that would play all video games.

Obviously, there's another very vocal group that says this would immediately have a negative impact on the quality of games, because with multiple consoles, there is automatic competition. And as we all know, competition begets quality, even if the only motivation is to top the other guy. However, while this remains a viable argument, and I haven't really decided on the matter, there is one benefit to a universal game system: at the very least, it'd kill off the fanboys. They would die a much-deserved death and then - blessedly - maybe this industry can grow a bit. Maybe we can move past the hundreds of so-called "journalists" with not-so-hidden agendas. Maybe those of an adult age might start acting like adults. Of course, certain sites that only exist to promote adolescent flaming and raving over this subject (and you know what they are) would disappear overnight. How peaceful. How very mature.

We'd be able to stop dealing with the kids who read the name of this site, the headline, not a word more of the article, and immediately launch into a superiority complex-driven, self-righteous rant of depressing proportions. Maybe articles of ours about why the Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 may be the best gaming tandem since the SNES/Genesis would garner as much attention as when we say the Network appears to be outstripping Live at this moment in time. Maybe legitimate sources wouldn't have to constantly add disclaimers to articles that try to convince the readers the writer isn't a "fanboy." In short, with the advent of a universal console, maybe everyone would just grow the fu** up. Sure, we might still have the people who support BioWare over Square-Enix or something (like with movie fanatics, where debates will rage over who's the better director; Coppola or Scorsese), but at least we will have removed the tumor that ails the gaming community and shackles our ankles. There is no moving forward with this level of childishness permeating ever last corner of the social gaming community.

I'd almost be willing to take a cut in quality to eliminate such a tumor. It would be an agreeable sacrifice in my eyes. No longer would a person's sole purpose in life be to dissect every last editorial written in an attempt to spot bias. No longer would every last "debate" erupt into pathetic flaming and other personal attacks. It might force everyone to abandon such idiocy, simply because the option won't exist anymore. And because we clearly can't fend for ourselves, a higher power might have to strip away the cause of the problem.

7/17/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (105 posts)

Danny007
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 9:51:55 PM
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I think that we will not see a universal console for a very long time

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fundando
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:52:12 AM

The main problem would be is there would be no competition.
Monopoly = no good

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orangpelupa
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 6:09:18 AM

it wont be very expensive
just use PC as the basis.

the parts is cheap, and games can be developed easier.

just make 2 type of SKU
maybe CORE and PREMIUM.

games will be playable on Core, but with lower quality.

both SKU can be upgraded.


today there's too many options when building a pc. people already confused with PS3 40 60 80 gigs.
people already confused with X360 arcade, premium, elite.

current pc is like a console but have hundreds of SKU.
many uninformed people spend 500USD++ money on a pc that wont be able to play games -___-


sorry for my bad english. english is not my mother tongue language.

actually with only 300USD-400USD you already can get good gaming PC. games running with higher visual than X360 or PS3


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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:04:17 PM
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Gaming used to be just gaming. Ever since gaming has taken to online matches and all out frag fests, gamers have become heated over who's better and what's better and why it's better. That's right. I blame competitiveness in general. We used to just watch our friends finish a game and be like "Ok it's my turn." No not anymore. It's now me versus you versus your games versus your system. Fanboys will not go away. They thrive on competition and the world markets are just that... competitive.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:08:53 PM

I agree. How often are there single-player only games any more? Even Uncharted 2 has multiplayer! Is our need to compete so great that we cant buy games unless theres online play? Even when im playing KZ2 online i dant play to beat the other guy, i play to have a good time and enjoy the game.

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Karosso
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:26:37 PM

I think you just found the missing link!!!
This is the most logical explanation I've seem of how this whole mess of my d*ck is bigger than yours attitude got started in video games.

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BikerSaint
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:53:53 PM

@Alienange
Just an FYI,
I replied to your FarCry-2 post
Just check back on the July 14th,"New PSP Biz Strategy Revealed" post)

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:11:10 PM

BikerSaint - Alright I took a look and had a good laugh. Would be fun to go online and see what's happening with FC2. If you've played 14 hours well that's about 13 and a half more than me. Hard to believe you've never been online though. Never EVER?

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Byakko2009
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:11:12 AM

When I think about what everyone's saying about healthy competition, I want to agree but I can't help but think of the 360's hinderance on this generation. There's two sides to this obviously, and I can't say I'm really opposed to either.

Remember the PSone generation? Of course, one can say the competition was Saturn and the Nintendo 64. But sales-wise, were those 2 consoles proven to be a worthwhile competition? I don't have exact figures but the end result was something like PS1: 100+million, N64:25+million, Saturn well, I know it didn't fare any better than the N64. Point is, at one stage during the PS1 era, the PS1 was dominant in sales and software. And at some point, the Saturn and N64 ceased to exist. The Ps2 showed similar results, oh and nobody was certainly complaining about the bundles of great software (read not SHOVELWARE). I should get thumbed down for talking about sales figures haha, but I had to prove that ultimately software did not take a nose-dive on quality when we practically entered a couple years or so of "one console dominance".

However, while I don't like to give MS one single ounce of credit, I think the original Xbox may have swayed Sony's thinking into a all-powerful console to battle their next console. After all, we knew the MS strategy was to just use cheaper, recycled PC tech and put that into a console. I often pondered when I first read the Xbox's specs how much processor power they would use by the time a new console was ready. If that speculation is correct, then yes competition may have had a healthy effect there. Still, that helped improve hardware, not the software. And yet still we can say these things we see, like online play, etc are just a natural progression for consoles.

As for Xbox 360, well it's made things bumpy for Sony's HD strategy. Just look at the multiplatform games and the treatment they recieve. Not to mention all the content we've seen MUCH later than anticipated (Tales of Vesperia, FFXIII, etc). Yet again, you can say look at the special treatment said games are getting once they finally arrive on PS3. It's a double-edged sword really. Because if the latter is correct, it tells consumers and gamers that MS isn't so bad and plays into MS's hands that they really just want to improve the industry and their induction into the next-gen race is genuine. Well, believe what you want, I don't think there will be a universal console. Yeah, considering all the back-stabbing that sometimes occurs during the collaborations of giants, it just doesn't seem plausible.

As for fanboys, well just look what I said there, fanboy. It's not something to be proud of, especially when we've all seen how irrational and illiterate they are. Before I finish, I see the PS fans here as Playstation advocates, not fanboys. Also, I just don't care what 360 is doing. It's time most of you here adopt the same thinking and just forget about that console. Unless of course, you have some strange urge to talk to Milo or mollest him.

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:27:16 AM

Alienange
I disagree, online battles is not the source of this war. The entire concept of online is. People these days feel that they can get behind a computer screen and say whatever they want to say. If this was in real life, a lot of people would have gotten their asses kicked. Online gaming is good for competition and socializing.

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Schmitty
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:23:39 PM
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haha i cant imagine a world where there isnt competition and arguing over which is better. i live in Ny there are 2 baseball teams 3 football teams 2 hockey teams one. just as many democrats as republicans and just as many xbots as ps3 owners. immaturity about which thing is better is basically what im surrounded with ALL DAY

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:18:23 AM

New York (state) doesn't have any football teams. :P

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Schmitty
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 8:48:32 PM

jets
giants
bills

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Schmitty
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 8:48:35 PM

jets
giants
bills

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Schmitty
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 8:48:35 PM

jets
giants
bills

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Schmitty
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 8:48:36 PM

jets
giants
bills

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:27:11 PM
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Sorry, I wouldn't take the damage it would do to the industry in favor of video game communism. I can handle fanboys, I CAN'T handle crappy games and complacent developers. Two things that would be certain in a single console market.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:33:17 PM

One thing you have to remember: no business will ever be complacent if they wish to make money. And gamers have never, not in the history of this industry, rewarded poor quality.

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Maggot666PL
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:41:27 PM

Yes, Ben. But the developers can't do better, than the hardware they're working on is allowing them. And that's the main problem with a "collective" console.

It's like being forced to buy the fastest bicycle, because someone is banning the production of cars/motorbikes.

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BikerSaint
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:55:36 PM

@World,
Amen to that!!!!!
I was just about to post the same idea, but I see you've already did my light work for me, LOL

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Qwarktast1c
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:00:49 PM

@ world

100% agree

DOWN with video gaming communism, lol ;)

i can handle malicious fanboys
but no fanboys at the cost of gaming quality? no thanks!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:04:47 PM

Nintendo makes tons of money by being software-complacent. Imagine a Wii-only world and you got your universal console.

"TheWorldEndsWithWii"

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:14:53 PM

<Shuddering>

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Qwarktast1c
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:26:38 PM

the worst nightmare of the gaming community

well actually that could be made worse if it was that scenario paired with the hardware failure rate of the 360

that would be the end of the world!!! aagghhh!!!

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Jed
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:43:53 AM

"TheWorldEndsWithWii"


That is the scariest thing I have ever heard.

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:22:06 AM

@Ben: I disagree. When one or a few companies are dominating, they almost always become complacent. Just look at GM, Ford, and Chrysler. They were on top of the world, became complacent, and now look. America in general became complacent after WWII and now we are borrowing $2 billion per DAY from China just to stay afloat. Sorry to get all statistical, just needed to use those as examples. I do think that it would be much harder for gaming companies to become complacent though. Gamers are generally very vocal, participatory, and intelligent.

P.S. Don't think I don't see things from your point of view though. This whole console war must take a bigger toll on a gaming journalist than it does us regular gamers. If I were you, I'd want a universal console just to be rid of the stress. I could make a corny Dark Knight comparison here but I'll stop. :)

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Wage SLAVES
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 3:33:33 AM

Gotta agree with Ben here. Its still gonna be the games that are going to be seeking the rewards. They will be competing for our dollars, ultimately forcing good games.

I hate monopolies also, so I disagree with one console by principle alone.

P.S. Nintendo is fueled by a gimmick. Wiifit. There are TONS (pun intended) of people buying these things to lose weight.

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kevinater321
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:30:33 PM
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I still think it is better to have multi consoles. I have to admit, this lat week or so i just youtube ps3 vs 360 just to read the comments and make myseft feel better becuase i know i am better than half of the gaming community. :) i can also tell that both onsoles thrive off of each other, do you really think psn would be where it is now if it wasn't for xbl? like i have said before, competition is healthy. Even if it is immature.

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CONTRABAND
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:32:31 PM
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id rather have the competition, pushing them to make things better, as far as the fanboys, i ignore them, that seems to piss them off!

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Maggot666PL
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:34:39 PM
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Universal game console is a worst. Idea. Ever. Fanboys are a nuisance, but not really a major problem. Journalist taking side of either console? They'll get replaced by the guys taking side of one game from genre. And development of those new, shiny, our beloved consoles would go into shreds (who would throw the money? International commission of gaming development? Give me a break).

Comparing the gaming industry to movie industry is utter bullshit - all different studios don't use one set, same actors etc. The equivalent of their "universalness" in gaming world is the ability to connect any console to any TV available. And that's it.

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BikerSaint
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:38:10 PM
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"I've only got 1 thing to say to a single console...."JUST SAY NO"

OK...I lied, I've got 2 things....
Even if there was only 1 system you still couldn't cut out the cancer of fanboyism.

They'd would just tweak their strategy a bit by either bitching about the system itself(even though they own one), or tell tall tales of how much better theirs is, or how theirs is super-duper deluxe modded, or that they have more 100 times more accessories than you ever will.

Unfortunately, we'll never be able to find a cure, ridding society of this kind of open-sore cancer, and there's no way to put this cancer into remission unless we've eradicated each & every fanboy off the face of the Earth
(or have locked them down over at Sesame Place, in a "time-out" corner forever.

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:16:45 PM

Even if it was only one console, there'd still be Halo is better than Resistance is better than Call of Duty fanboy arguments. You can't get rid of them I tell you!

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:41:14 PM
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Universal console:


Games will dull out over time
And that my friend, is a fact :)

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kevinater321
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:47:21 PM

I think games will dull out over time anyway. Like movies, i havn't seen a really good movie in a wile. wait scratch that, i did see a good one in theaters 2 weeks ago.

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:17:33 PM

kevinater321 - You're still alive so I presume the concert was good?

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kevinater321
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:01:01 AM

Define "fanboy"

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kevinater321
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 8:40:42 AM

Omg yes it was the best concert I have ever been to and sorry for that define fanboy thing I didn't mean to reply on this comment ☺☻☺☻

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BikerSaint
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:48:46 PM
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Here's something nobody's said here yet.....

Just think what kind of crappy gaming experiences you'd have to constany put up with if there was only 1 system and it had even more breakdowns than you-know-who's.

I want a choice in my machine of choice, damn it!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:09:42 PM

Yeah, if there was only 1, there would be no reason for it to be of any quality because many gamers have no problem buying crappy hardware apparently.

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newchef
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 10:49:08 PM
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yea console fanboys will die but over time developer fanboys would rise and the whole arguement would start all over again

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LightShow
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:02:02 PM
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i have two points.

1) People filled with hate are filled with hate. if they're not using consoles to legitimize their hate, they will use game series. GoW vs. DMC, Mario vs. Every other Platformer, the list goes on. I think it'll turn into a mirror of the music scene, with people raggin on bands just because theyre "too commercial" or "too hardcore." The hate will be there, its just that the subject wont be consoles anymore.

2)with one console comes one market. you either have to go for power and up the price or go for accessibility and make it cheap. There's a spectrum in the industry (currently) that allows anyone who wants to game to get a machine that suits their needs. If this joint venture were forced to decide on a market, guess which one it would choose? the one filled with numerous sheep who buy games based on box art and outnumbers the enthusiast-and-up crowd 10 to 1. it'll be a casual console cuz they can make more money that way. Is that what you want?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:10:59 PM

1) Yeah, We would have the video game industry versions of Star Trek vs Star Wars and Harry Potter vs Lord of the Rings.

2) Indeed, and I don't think I'm wrong in saying that the best games are not the ones that get the most hype and advertising behind them.

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Jawknee
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:12:29 PM
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Agreed. Sacrafice the quality to stamp out fanboys? Its not worth it.

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:14:12 PM
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Actually we did have just one console. It was called Playstation 2. MS went and buggered it up!

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:43:57 AM

EXACTLY!!!!!

damn MS!

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Scarecrow
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:37:36 AM

We had the FUN Gamecube too! <3

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 11:05:01 AM

Gamecube was great. Wind Waker.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:20:15 PM
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You're all not really grasping the nature of business:

Developers want to make the games they want to make. Publishers are well aware of the games that sell best. Hideo Kojima will never sacrifice any quality whatsoever for hardware limitations, and the industry understands the financial significance of a game with "Metal Gear Solid" in the title. The bottom line is that any one piece of hardware would have the capability of supporting all developers and publishers that have proven themselves successful in the past. That's a given. There would be no way on earth that we'd only have a console like the Wii.

Secondly, you're giving gamers zero credit. They don't avoid crappy games simply so they can buy good games. If there are NO good games, they don't BUY ANYTHING. This is why months that have lackluster software show low NPD numbers; gamers aren't about to waste their money on something they don't want to play and they never have. Not in 30 years have they settled for junk. Furthermore, with vast libraries of games already solidified, many gamers are content with going back and playing classics rather than wasting cash on bad modern games.

The one console would absolutely cater to every major industry player. It would have to in order to be successful, and you shouldn't assume the executives and business professionals in this industry are too ignorant to understand this. Lastly, let's remember that a lot can be said for three competing parties - all with their own unique strengths - all coming together and pooling their resources to some extent. They would all have input on the console. The hardware would have to constantly expand and advance to support their needs.

In my eyes, that's the biggest obstacle. But to assume gamers will simply buy trash because there's nothing else available, and to assume that developers will for some bizarre reason cease being motivated and driven, is irrational. The market will never reward complacency and a failure to deliver what the consumers want. NO established market has ever permitted this.

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Alienange
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:37:49 PM

What you're calling for in the article is for the annihilation of fanboys. The growing up of stupid bloggers who think their lopsided ideas matter. Do you really believe that these idiots are affecting our industry? I don't. And I'd hate to think that their "journalism" and fanboyism is so detrimental to our industry that we need a single console just to shut them up.

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Maggot666PL
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:12:09 AM

You're simply saying no to console market and yes to PC gaming.

Alternative is scarier, and that's that you don't know what you're talking about. Basic, unavoidable question: who would decide, that said console needs replacing? "Developers"? But who, why, how, etc. would design it, how would he/they be responsible (and who would invest the money)? You're either rooting for a monopoly, or for a commune. Either way it would screw us up.

You brought up Kazunori Yamauchi earlier in your comment - but in the one-console world who would invest such crazy amounts of money in his project? Both Sony and M$ are investing heavy money in their console development to avoid being left behind in the dust.

You said, that there would be "demand" driving the inevitable changes. What "demand"? If the games would be shitty (as in EA's classic policy of releasing clones every year. Note that it was the COMPETITION that pushed them into improving their franchises), and there wasn't any competition to compare them to, who would have known when is the time to move on with the hardware?

It's like driving a decent sports car. You don't think that it's slow, until you get overtaken by a faster car.

About "getting bored and fed up" - don't be so sure, look at the movie industry. Same crap, different day (with rare exceptions). And people are still buying the crappiest stuff, not the more ambitious.

Bottom line - if you believe in competition on the GAMES market, why don't you want to leave in it's arms the more important part of the gaming industry, the consoles?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:18:56 AM

"Never" is a strong word, there are indeed many fools who purchase a game that comes out every year when it is in fact no better than last year's installment. So the problem here is advancement slows to a stop. If we stopped advancing now, would games still be awesome? YES, graphics of KZ2 in FPS, quality gameplay of Uncharted, RPG quality of (hopefully) FFXIII? YES. BUT if there isn't one company to come out with it's next gen console when enough devs want to make something superior we could be looking at 15-20 year cycles between consoles.

What happens when you can't make the game you want to make on the current universal console? It gets cut down. I don't see anything approaching Heavy Rain on 360 (not to be bashing but as an example). The point here being devs and the maker of the universal console won't get along quite so well.

Not everyone is as brilliant and steadfast as Kojima and are happy to dumb things into oblivion to get the sales. Did Kojima look at all excited to announce an MGS title for MS? Body language experts would say God no.

Catering to everyone means taking perfectionists out of the equation, and while such people can be annoying, they are imperative to growth. I have no doubt great things could still come out of such a conversion, but overall I see a lessening of quality.

This may be arguable, but I would liken it to every game having the quality of a multiplat, and multiplats are not bad games, but they rarely stand up to exclusives in their respective genres.

Barring all that, yes a universal console would kill many many fanboys, but is it worth it?

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Kangasfwa
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:43:29 AM

"Lastly, let's remember that a lot can be said for three competing parties - all with their own unique strengths - all coming together and pooling their resources to some extent. They would all have input on the console. The hardware would have to constantly expand and advance to support their needs."

That is the PC market. The constant "need" for upgrading hardware is the reason I rely on my PS3 for gaming. Would gamers really support a new console every year (or six months)? Fanboys would still exist in this system. Not all gamers will be able to buy the latest one-console, so the ones with the latest model will claim they are the "better" gamer.

There will always be fanboys, no matter what system is put in place.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:58:32 AM

I didn't say I wanted one universal console; I was just half-joking in the article (which I assume is obvious). I also only provided some ideas as to why one console - as one Blu-Ray player or one CD player or whatever - would be just fine.

The bottom line is that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that says gamers are just going to buy junk. There's also no evidence that developers - many of whom simply love games themselves and wish to make the best game they can - will just suddenly say, "ah, forget 'em." And lastly, most movies are crap, not because of a single universal format, but because the viewers have ALWAYS rewarded low-quality films. If you look at the biggest box-office takes, you will find some of the lowest reviewed movies. Try doing that with games...the result is the opposite.

This is an interactive hobby. If the consumer is not entertained, everything fails. Developers becoming complacent due to one console is ridiculous. The only real issue would be a monopolization; they basically make the great games but force you to pay more because you have no choice. But that's the way it is with every major industry; it's a constant balancing act.

And I hate to tell you all this, but both the PS3 and 360 are PCs. We download firmware updates, do patches, have the option of adding RAM, etc, etc, etc. You're only a few tweaks away from doing video and sound cards. And lastly, I have just one question:

Does anyone REALLY believe gaming can ward off the demons of over-processed ideas, rehashes, and unoriginal concepts? Do you REALLY think having multiple systems that play games will stop it? It has already begun to happen, and the more gaming goes mainstream (which will continue to happen, regardless of which direction the hardware goes), the more it will resemble the movie industry. It's unavoidable. One console...ten consoles...it doesn't matter.

And Maggot: people aren't idiots. EA didn't have to improve their franchise because of the competition; they had to improve Madden because critics said it was a lesser product and the sales slipped. It's all about money, and the consumer isn't ever going to reward a poor effort in this industry. It may still sell some based on name-recognition alone, but that has never been enough; it would NEVER meet sales projections if it was inferior.

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kevinater321
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 8:36:43 AM

I semi agree with you. But you are wrong about people buying crappy games, just look at the wii. It thrives onlow budget games. An example of this is when a wii game has the word "active" in the title. All the soccer moms will run out and buy it for there children. But that is not the point, the point I'd that people will buy crappy games and harware, all you need are a few high quality commercails and a shiny new gimmick.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:25:26 AM

The Wii is not a viable example. The vast majority of Wii owners are casual gamers, who have no discretion (and no frame of reference).

One overall console would encompass all gamers, including the millions who would never own a Wii and never buy the junk on it...like myself.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:37:30 PM

for the record, I know you were just entertaining the idea, not that you wanted one, hey entertaining the idea is kind of the living of a journalist so keep it up.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 17, 2009 @ 11:50:17 PM
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Meh, I don't like the idea

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souljah92
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:00:41 AM
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well at for one, although having a universal console MAY in some cases affect the quality of a game, you forget that its not only the console companies competing against one another, but the game developers too, if there was a universal console, developers would be competing against each other instead of that AND console competition. then again who's to say the console fanboys wont just pick a favorite developer and rant on about them....

personally i say stick with the seperate consoles but more or less it may be a win win situation, i honestly dont think if there was just one console, it would be crappy, there'd be no rush to get it out before another, and companies would take more time into creating it and quality may in fact be increased to a greater extent than with multiple consoles..... but hey what can we do...competition and competing is just a way of life nowadays.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:12:36 AM
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My take on a universal console is that developers will no longer have ties to a certain console. Thats it. Game publishers and developers will compete directly with one another on the same console, and the developers who create the games of highest quality will win with the most sales. Kinda simple, unless something is going over my head.

However, don't think for a second that fanboyism will go away that quickly. Someone has to make these universal consoles to play the games, right? Lets assume this universal console follows the same laws as PC's and DVD players. That means anyone can make a console, including, you guessed it, Sony and Microsoft.

....and the battle rages on.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:22:19 AM

Thing is, the unknowns are not a problem, but the unknown unknowns are problematic, if you catch my meaning.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:29:25 AM

lol confusing but I think I see where you're coming from.

I'll use ThatGameCompany as an example. Right now, they are a first party Sony developer. I believe Ben posted an article recently that said Sony was funding their next project to be exclusive to PS3. If we had a universal console, Sony wouldn't stand to benefit too much from funding ThatGameCompany because the games would be played on a universal console. So what happens? Do small in house developers like this die off?

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:41:19 AM

@ world

nice reference to donald rumsfeld, lol

unknown unknowns hahaha

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:51:04 AM

lol World, THAT went over my head. Guess I need to brush up on political quotes.

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dfoz3
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:41:16 PM

The console wars would shift from which console has the best games to which console has the best features. Added value like download services and media players would become what drives fanboys rather than the games themselves. This wouldn't get rid of fanboys at all.

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JackKnifeZero
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 12:52:39 AM
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I doubt fanboyism would die due to a universal console. If anything it would get more annoying b/c you would no longer have the whole PS3 rulez or X360 = 133t or ALL UR WII R BELONG 2 ME! In place of that you would have to deal with more genre fanboyism or studio fanboyism. Personally I'd take console wars over the latter any day.

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Highlander
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:33:43 AM
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Hmmmm... Is the death of the console industry and video games as we know them really a price I'd pay to see the fanboys die a death?

No, not really. I already laid out how I feel about this idea of a universal console in a comment to the article "Denis Dyack: 'Multiple Consoles Are Slowing Us Down'". from the other day. In short, it's not a good idea, nor is a universal virtual console - IMHO of course.

However forget the universal console thing for a minute and look at the fanboy aspect. Fanboys are now, unfortunately, everywhere, in every field of endeavor. You could be looking at a BluRay article on a tech site, and I guarantee you that some zealot in a Toshiba T-Shirt will still try to convince you that HD-DVD isn't dead, upscaled DVD is as good as BluRay, and optical formats are dead anyway, Digital downloads are the way now. You could be looking at cars on a car review site and some mindless Ford fanboy will be trying ti convince a legion of equally mindless GM fanboys that the Crown Vic is the zenith of American Motoring.

In other words, fanboys are a bigger problem than Video games, and I don't think they started with games. Have you ever observed an argument between Mac zealots and PC gurus? Or the Linux vs Windows religious wars?

I don't think that anything we do in video gaming will ultimately curb the fanbois, the ones we see are but the tip of the dumb-berg.

However, even if there was a single platform for games, the fanboys would simply transfer their arguments to specific games or developers. I saw it happen to Criterion, folks that were neutral and level headed were frequently called Criterion Fanboys by the rabid anti-Criterion fanboys that became such a pain. So, as much as I would love to see the amateur journalists, bloggers and morons with keyboards silenced, I just don't see it happening. Unless of course we start requiring IQ and maturity tests before you can get online.

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www
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 7:39:05 AM

Couldn't have said it better.
Fanboys are everywhere.
Oh what a pain when your in a local hangout spot watching a football game, the arguments never cease, from which team is better, to which player is best, to which club is the richest.
Trust me i'd rather argue about consoles than on soccer.Cause those arguments sometimes lead to fighting which i don't usually see the video game fanboys doing.

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Alienange
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:14:41 PM

lmao @ zealot in a Toshiba T-Shirt

lmao @ dumb-berg

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:45:34 AM
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Martin Scorsese is far superior to Francis Ford Coppola. If you make a compairson of the 70's work alone, yes Coppola is better, but Copppola slipped down after that to such a low level, though i do like The Godfather Part III and feel that its fairly unfairly criticsed.

As for the main topic. i personaly would welcome the idea, thr 360/PS3 arent that different from each other anyway. But yes, the fans and the console war piss me off. As well as the media today, they only exacerbate the problem.

Though this of course could never happen, can you honestly see Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo Joining as one, no chance.

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dveisalive
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 1:45:45 AM
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All things come to an end, but as for now I would want a PS3 like system with Wiimote control with Live service for online and their you have my universal console lol. But I prefer PSN over live any way. Developers for the system 1st party should be Nintendo, followed by Sony (2nd party) and never Microsoft.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:01:26 AM
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@Highlander,
<<<<You could be looking at cars on a car review site and some mindless Ford fanboy will be trying ti convince a legion of equally mindless GM fanboys that the Crown Vic is the zenith of American Motoring>>>>.

Hey, the 56 Crown Vic in the white over aqua paint scheme was the zenith of American Motoring at the time.

(And now you're taking me all the way back down memory lane to when I was about 3 & 1/2 years old, cause it was the first car I can remember that far back that my mom owned,
so there Mr Smarty pants....na-na-nahh-na-na!)
LMAO

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Highlander
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:19:31 AM

LOL!

I know what you're saying, reading your comment has reminded me....my Dad's first car was a Plymouth Valiant. Sadly the poor thing died living out it's life as a training aid at our local fire department.

Gee, and we talk about flames now.....

;)

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SkantDragon
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:12:15 AM
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You're misguided if you think it would eliminate fanboys.

A fanboy will be a fanboy regardless. They'll just find something else to be annoying about. The subject changes but the arguments stay the same.

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Effi
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:24:09 AM

'Nemesis controller's better!'

'Stop trolling our forums. God i hate Nemesis fanboys'

'..now that i've stated my claim that i'm not a fanboy of the Nemesis controller...'

and so on and so forth

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I_defenestrate
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:53:41 AM
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The thing about a universal console, who is going to decide they don't want to make one anymore? Could you imagine if Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft (notice how I named them in order of preference?) worked together to make a console? Would you WANT them to work together? Maybe Sony and Nintendo.. Hmm...buyout? I digress.. It won't happen. It shouldn't happen. Fanboys can be ignored as long as PSXE (and the handful of other still respectable sites) still exist. Competition is healthy despite its negative impact.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 4:53:25 AM
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What about the controllers, bet no one thought about that one. I love the playStation controllers, there so light and comfortable and dont show dirt like the X-Box controller, go look at an X-Box controller and see if you see any dirt in the start and select button and the giant X button. Anyways, im content with my control scheme, idk how they would figure out how to cater to the Wii owners and the Playstation and X-Box owners. Which would they choose, motion control or sixaxis control, or just plain ol' wireless controller. Then bluetooth or infrared, just so many overlooked things that we would care about had the time come for a universal console. Oh... and lithium-ion or AA batteries, that shouldnt be hard. Which company would do the online, theyd have to make a new onlline database and all new servers, might be a little bit expensive.

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:17:06 AM

If you wash your hands before you play, you won't have dirt on your controllers. Just a small tip for ya. ;)

I prefer the light weight of the DS3 but I do like the size of the Xbox 360 controller because of my large hands. I prefer the buttons and sticks on the DS3, or any Sony PSX controller for that matter, and that makes my gaming experience that much better. I do like how MS switched the left stick and the d-pad and wish that the DS3 had it like that as well but I'm not going to open it up and mod it. I won't blame the placement for my mediocre gaming.

Now on topic, I can see the good and bad that would come of having a universal console but we know businesses and their marketing teams would never have this. Companies do not want to share profits, or lose money, by merging in an industry where they can reap so much money from the fans. Microsoft would never allow this and Sony is too huge to even consider any of this. If it were to happen, successfully, it'd be a whole new player in the ballgame because I don't believe that MS, Sony or Ninty would humble themselves down and work with each other.

Fanboys are fanboys and it will never stop. Too many ignoramouses around to stop the flooding.

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XRAVE
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 7:35:48 AM
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wtf atleast the fanboys will die how can u say like that - its good with fanboys i love the war its just like u have a fav football team - and u hope ur rivals will loose all games u know - atleast the fanboys will die is a pathetic comment man.

its cool to be a fanboy what ever u like my opinion. but some get out of hand posting nonesence comments i admit that.

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www
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 7:51:20 AM
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The idea of a universal console is okay but it has a lotta question marks.

1.Who's deciding the standard?
2.What and what are they gonna put in?
3.How do we tell the various brands will be of the same quality components?

So what if we have say, TOSHIBA PS3/360,PANASONIC PS3/360,SAMSUNG PS3/360....So what if samsung's console is pricier than the toshiba. Then fanboys start "Oh my Samsung is way more quality than your Toshiba." This will spell DOOM for the games industry. As like with blu-ray,dvd,cd players, we all have different brands in our homes but the quality depends on your brand which to me SUCKS big time. But when you have PS3 or 360 you know anybody else with a PS3 console possesses the same quality. I think though one console coulda been great, its definitely going to kill the games industry specifically because of various brands who will claim their system meet the standards when really it doesn't.And we're going to shell out more cash replacing our SANYO PS3/360 with a SONY PS3/360.....etc.

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Highlander
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 8:02:15 PM

Your comment just made me think, and realize the major reason that a single, universal video game console would be the death of the industry - as we know it.

Sony and Microsoft both did something this generation that could never be done in a single console world. The made expensive consoles that cost more to make than they sold for. This simply wouldn't be possible in a single console world because the royalty structure would be different resulting in a far different business model. Right now, both Sony and MS (and Nintendo) follow the classic video game console business model of not making money on the basic hardware itself, and relying on the royalties and licensing fees to make up the gap until the cost of the console falls below the sales price. OK Nintendo didn't do that this time round, but look at why that's the case. Their hardware is not much more advanced than that in the Game Cube. A single universal console would either be expensive and very capable, or inexpensive and technologically sub-par.

If there is a single console design, then much like the case with DVD players eventually the tier2 and tier 3 manufacturers get involved. The tier 3 manufacturers will make el-cheapo consoles for half the price of anyone else and sell them for razor thin margins. Why would Sony (or Microsoft) stay in that kind of business? I don't think they would. Without the licensing and royalty revenue that comes from owning the design of the console, they have to make money on each and every sale. In which case competing with Chinese tier 3 manufacturers is next to impossible.

I should also point out that in Microsoft's case, Microsoft doesn't care to share with others, so it's highly unlikely that MS would continue as part of the industry. If they don't control the console, they don't control the living room, and the Xbox is all about Microsoft gaining a bridgehead, or foot hold in the consumer electronics world of the living room.

Someone mentioned earlier the dominance of Sony with the PS1 and PS2 consoles. I think the point was that it was effectively the de-facto standard. However when PS1 launched it was not expected to be the 'winner' it was. Nintedo was a serious competitor, and a lot of folks thought that the superior N64 hardware would crush the PlayStation. Sega had some success with Saturn and then Dreamcast. When SP2 came along it was by no means the only console around. The Game Cube sold along side it, as did the original Xbox. In both generations competition among multiple manufacturers resulted in competition and competing designs. Had the SP2 launched into a market where only Sony was present, would it have driven the introduction of DVD? When the GameBoy more or less had the hand held market sewn up for years, ho much innovation was their? Only when the PSP came along did Nintendo really step up the game with the DS. If there hadn't been a PSP, would we have seen the DS?

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phade2blaq
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 8:24:05 AM
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What would a universal gaming console be called ? The PlayBoxWiiStation ?

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kevinater321
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 8:41:41 AM
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Can someone please define fanboy!?!

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:21:44 AM

Someone that listens to Green Day. :P

A fanboy is someone that chooses to be a fan of something and because of this choice, they will mock, laugh and scoff at anyone that does not make the same choice. A fanboy will ridicule someone for not siding with them. A fanboy will berate another person for so foolishly choosing something different and will not listen to reasons as to why this person would make that choice because the fanboy is obviously superior in every way, shape and form. The fanboy believes they made the ultimate, correct decision. They are infalable and can never, ever be wrong in their decision. The fanboy is God. In their own eyes, of course.

This is what the definition of "fanboy" is to me and what I have seen across the internet.

One more thing, though. The fanboy equals ignorance.

Does that help you out?

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Alienange
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:21:13 PM

A fanboy is anybody who gets loud about something you don't agree with.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 3:44:40 AM

@Kevinator321

"Fanboy", per Wikipedia's definition....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

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kevinater321
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 1:25:08 PM

Okay, Okay, not sure why everyone hates on greenday though:S i know some people don't like it but that doesn't mean you should put them down. It's like me putting down that 360 saying that it has no games. But everyone here knows that there is a lot of good games on the 360. Someone would call me a fanboy if i said the 360 has no games but it is exceptable for people to say greenday sucks? But everyone here knows that they have a rather stong fanbase and a number of good sings. It does not mean you have to put them down. Please do not be fanboy hypocrites and say that fanboys are bad. Sorry for being off topic ben.

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Alienange
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 5:40:55 PM

It's the fanboys who are thumbing you down. Green Day rules.

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kevinater321
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 6:49:32 PM

I agree but when people bash them i get up set, so i guess i am a green day fanboy :P

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:19:40 AM
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"I'd almost be willing to take a cut in quality to eliminate such a tumor." Ben, I can't help but disagree with that statement. The console war is not severe enough for you to make a statement like that. If people were shooting each other over video games , then I would acquiesce with that statement. The console war is just the mere exchanging of harsh words ONLINE. If you look at it from this perspective, the console war affects us, but just to an extent. Sure we might have to deal with knuckle head's constant blabbering; but don't we already do that in our daily lives? Sacrificing game quality would be a disaster. Sure there will be peace; but I don't want a world where our "next-gen systems" look like Pac man. This war is stupid, but in a way, it helps the gaming industry. The more a fanboy supports a system or company, the more he is going to put money into that company ,so the company can strive. My advice: Ignore it all! Just do what you supposedly love to do-play video games. Plus I don’t want to play with those X-bots! I hate them all! Long live ps3! Just kidding XD

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:25:47 AM

It's mostly a joke, man. ;)

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:35:30 AM

Sorry, guess I was not in on the joke ;) ;)

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InBlackestNight
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 10:46:19 AM
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I own two consoles the ps3 and my wife won a wii at a conference so we have that too. I just don't understand how nearly EVERYTHING must be played online to get your money out of it. I don't want a online game when I buy a game I want time and enjoyment out of it. I also hate those people online who call every one noobs because they aren't someone who sits at home all day and plays the game. I just want to try to have fun online but all these losers make it damn near impossible. I tried halo and everyone playing (offline) knew the maps by heart and I kept getting killed before I could turn around. What I'm trying to say is that I miss the old days where the games were good and there was a little bit of fanboyism but not like today. I wouldn't reccomend an xbox to anyone because of questions of durability not cause I hate everything except ps3. I used to HATE the sega genesis and only wanted my NES but after playing sega classics on my psp, I realize I missed out on half the good games.

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Alienange
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 3:22:18 PM

Count your lucky stars that you got the Wii for free. Some of us paid money for that nonsense.

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 3:55:02 AM

dude, i hate the people that play X-Box Live, well at least the ones ive played with, there always cussing me out and calling me things i really shouldnt repeat, there just usually ghetto sounding and trash talking everyone, people on the PSN are alot more civilized, even if theres the occasional, "damn , i should of gotten that." that kinda stuff is fine with me, not just blatently cussing out people because there losing. thats anoying. PSN for the win.

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crawdaddy
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 11:09:48 AM
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I think that no more fanboys on any side would be a great thing, but I don't like the idea of only having one system to play all games. I want to have choices about system features, prices ect...

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 11:27:06 AM
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Fanboys have always existed the Internet just gave them an anonymous voice. Killing competition in the console market won't eliminate them.

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maxpontiac
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:11:59 PM
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No thanks. If YOU or ANYONE want single machine for games, go get a PC, and vist PC gaming sites.

Me? I'll stick with the PS3, and stay frequent to sites such as PSX..

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Deleted User
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 2:57:02 PM
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Maybe if Xbox 360 fanboys weren't all sexually frustrated males who troll PS3 sites in order to feel better about themselves, it wouldn't be so bad. They are the reason why the fanboy has a bad name. They read the biased editorials from these "journalists" and then wonder why some of us refuse to buy what MS is selling.

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Victor321
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 5:13:28 PM
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Imagine Snake ordering Mc.Donald's. Wouldn't that be weird O.O?

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Jalex
Saturday, July 18, 2009 @ 6:14:01 PM
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Video games have already gone down in quality on average as it is. So I REALLY don't want to see them go the way of films, where you'll be fortunate if you've found more than a few that are actually worth experiencing.

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Highlander
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 12:20:06 PM
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Seems like the real target here is a bigger fish, it's not the console wars, it's the Eye of Moron.

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Cale_168
Sunday, July 19, 2009 @ 6:36:35 PM
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I'm game for an Xtendostation any day

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chuygr35
Monday, July 20, 2009 @ 10:26:40 AM
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I don't really care for a universal console, but a universal online NETWORK. Now that would be Awesome!!!!!!!!!! that way I can play with my Xbox buddies!!!!!!

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Tru
Wednesday, July 22, 2009 @ 2:07:44 PM
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there could technically still be competition at least between developers and then everybody could play together then which would be pretty cool, or like chuyg35 said universal online network would be dope as long as microsoft didn't host it, their servers suck

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NetheRealm
Tuesday, July 28, 2009 @ 7:01:07 AM
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It would be nice if M$ & Ninty would just admit the PS3 is the superior console & take a hike so we might finally get more games in 1080p instead of 780 & possibly even in game xmb music on all games but sadly this will never happen as long as they are able to dupe the thrifty foolish masses into giving their greedy asses a slice of the $pie$. Hopefully the PS4 will be so vastly superior it will just blow the competition away.

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