PS3 Sales: Not Much To Whine About

So let me see if I can get this straight-

Everyone still has a bone to pick with Sony concerning sales of the PlayStation 3. Now, I would most certainly agree with the negative assessment if that assessment made even the least bit of sense, but it doesn't. As I've found that many people have the attention span of gnats and won't read "walls of text" (which are basically no more than paragraphs), I'll break this down as clearly as I can. And I'll use small words, so all the Xbox 360 fankids who keep laughing about the PS3 will be able to follow.

Point 1: The Xbox 360 had a one-year head-start and on top of which, there was zero competition for that one year. It was the only "next-gen" console available.

Point 2: The PS3 launched at a ridiculous $600 price point and remains the most expensive console out there. It's still the most expensive console and yet, in a freakin' recession, it has managed to keep pace with the 360.

Point 3: The PS3 kept pace with the 360 before the vast majority of the popular exclusives arrive; we haven't yet seen God of War III, Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, MAG, The Last Guardian, and others; it has really only been MGS4 and Killzone 2 that have contributed heavily thus far.

Point 4: The PS3 kept pace with the 360 during a time when developers had yet to really grasp the complexity of the PS3's hardware, and multiplatform games were often inferior on Sony's machine.

Point 5: The PS3 kept pace with the 360 during a time when the PlayStation Network essentially started from nothing and had to build to catch Xbox Live. In 2007, the two services weren't even comparable on any level.

Now that we've established these points, let's remind you further: In 32 months, the PS3 has sold about 24.6 million units while the Xbox 360 sold about 30.2 million units in 44 months. Mathematically speaking, the PS3 has been the faster selling console. Granted, it may not be up to "Sony standards" after the domination of the PS2, but considering all the preceding factors, how can anyone whine about the sales figures? Furthermore, consider the future:

The PS3 will invariably fall in price. The Network has finally reached Live in my eyes (and in terms of certain exclusive downloadable software, has surpassed it, IMO). The recession should lessen pressure and this lessened pressure will coincide with the aforementioned price cut. The exclusives just about every avid gamer wants are coming for the PS3; not so much for the 360. Developers have long since come to terms with the PS3; many say its potential remains mostly untapped and multiplatform titles are now basically identical all the time. You could bring up the competing motion sensing technologies, but nobody has any idea how either will fare right now. ...am I the only one that is willing to use logic and common sense when analyzing the sales figures?

P.S. Any 360 fans who want to toss up that sorry list of exclusives as if it has any shot of competing with the list for the PS3; don't bother. It'll just waste our time.

7/31/2009 Ben Dutka

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JMO_INDY
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 9:52:14 PM
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haha i love this even more, oh X-Box, good job Sony.

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wasim
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 9:56:38 AM

in 2 years and 5 months MS sold 19.9m x360s

in 2 years and 5 months SONY sold 22.9m X360s

PS3 has been outpacing CHEAP DEFECTIVE BOX AKAA XBOXPLEASEFIXME by 3m units

last quarter MS sold 1.2m X360s at 150$ (minimum price)
SONY sold 1.1m PS3s.

Now imagine crap box 360's fate when PS3 reaches 299$

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bamf
Friday, August 14, 2009 @ 3:26:59 PM

Both consoles release at the same time, both console release at the same price point. In say 3 years, which console would have the lead right now?
Considering how the PS3 has caught up to the 360 and is keeping pace with the it, when you look at the point that PS3 released one year after the 360 - and even later in Europe, and how the PS3 was way more expensive on launch. If both console had both been released at the same time with the same price tag, I'm sure PS3 would be far ahead in sales right now?

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Danny007
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:00:02 PM
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It is true that the PS3 will win in games for the future. Most games that I want that are coming to the Xbox that are big titles, are also going to be available on the PC.

Last edited by Danny007 on 7/31/2009 10:00:32 PM

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:11:35 PM

Hehe

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wasim
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 9:57:58 AM

last quarter
PS3 sold 1.1m ..crap box 360 1.2m even when crap box is just 150$

as soon as PS3 drops to 299$ it is all over for x360 in console war

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Jed
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:01:53 PM
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you said it. Not much I can add here.

Last edited by Jed on 7/31/2009 10:02:17 PM

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Russell Burrows
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:05:52 PM
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@Ben I posted some more news in the forum

And right now! PS3 production costs are 70 percent lower! as per Sony CEO.

So sales are going to go up.
Price cuts are comeing.
PS3 Slims are inbound.

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JMO_INDY
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:08:10 PM

we know this already

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:23:33 PM

poor russel.

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ohmikkie
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:10:11 PM
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Interesting points but we need to see the game sales compete with xbox sales. There has been very few multi-platform titles where the PS3 version has come close to xbox numbers. I think most owners of both consoles seem to get xbox versions rather than PS3. I personally do it the other way around.

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sticklife
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:12:40 AM

That may be true but I think it may be because of just a couple of things live still does better. 1.everyone has voice and can chat across game (we'll have it soon I bet) 2.that party thing. But I really doubt we'll be without for long.

Last edited by sticklife on 8/1/2009 12:15:32 AM

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:13:39 AM

I beg to differ. Aside from Activision games (which is why they got pissy), sales are usually close and frequently favor PS3. Of the top 20 multi-platform games, 8 have sold much worse (under 75%) on PS3, 4 have sold nearly as well, and 8 have sold better on PS3. COD and GH have all sold 60% or worse but they are the "worst" examples.

Overall, sales favor 360, but it's not a landslide.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/1/2009 3:18:03 AM

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ohmikkie
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 5:54:16 AM

Accept you point Fane1024 (without verifying your figures). But in my experience I know more gamers (work and social) with xboxes (UK). The couple with both consoles use their PS3 blueray player; one of them is a mate.

I was around his house the other day (raving and demoing Prototye - xbox version). I was quite shocked he never heard of infamous. And in the year and half he's had the console has never downloaded a demo. All he's got for the PS3 is n amounts of versions of guitar hero.

His reason was nothing to do with xbox live multi-player facilities, but gamer points. That I can understand because it is exactly reason I buy ps3 versions. Generally my xbox games are exclusives to that console.

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kratos17
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:15:02 PM
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x-box is pathetic IMO
all there games are a bunch of shooters while the ps3 has all types that are entirely different

with games that separate themselves like
modnation racers to god of war 3

there is not one person in the world that wouldn't be interested in at least one of the ps3's exclusives

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:09:18 PM

It's not only pathetic, it's irrelevant to gaming in general. A PC fulfills all the 360's needs, and many many more, as well as covering the multiplatform and MS exclusive market. PS3 has all of Sony's 1st party games, which are top notch. No need for a 360 at all, this day and age.

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N a S a H
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 12:23:58 PM

360 offers a far superior online service compared to PS3 with more patches, fixes, support and ESPECIALLY competitions for games.

You never see LAN events for COD4 on PS3. It's always 360.

XBL > PSN

PS3 > XBOX

Therefore, the 360 has a reason for being there. If it wasn't then PSN would still be sh** like it was in early 2007.

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Deleted User
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:20:55 PM
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Again, the press and their pro-MS stance has brainwashed the minds of the fankids. They wonder why some people won't drink the Flavor-Aid. I just don't see any reason to get excited about the 360 any more.

Here's proof: some 360 fankid has been posting at "that other board I visit" multiple times over Fat Princess. The dork doesn't even own a PS3. That's how bored he is. He wants to play it and he can't and he's jealous.

You feel sorry for these 360 fankids. In my opinion, their entire life is spent buying games, playing games and perusing message boards and video game sites. No dating, no other hobbies and no social life other than when they log onto XBL. Wasted youth.

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:21:37 AM

Hey, that's my life! (XBL not included)

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/1/2009 3:23:38 AM

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mackid1993
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:31:28 PM
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Heck Yeah!! Great article Ben. Those XBox fanboys may want some ice for that burn. Yessss!! Everyone come back to my place for some bluray and cheese doodles.

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tes37
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:43:44 PM
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It's only a matter of time until Ben's points turn into a sobering reality for xboxers.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:51:26 PM
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Hey hey guys look at this:

360, 30 millions sold
ps3, 25 millions sold

Gran Turismo 5 alone will shift some 5 million ps3s

ps3 catches up :)

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Maggot666PL
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:20:00 AM

And if the rumors (since none of it is "officially official") about 360's mortality rate were true - those sold console would be in fact ~25-27mil as well (I'm subtracting the ones repaired by MS, since many of them break early).

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Highlander
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 10:51:44 PM
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For an example of the kind of blinkered press coverage and fanboyism as journalism that I think Ben is annoyed about, have a look at this link....

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-10299504-235.html

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Squirreldriver
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:10:55 PM

CNET obviously has some vendetta against Sony. I can't stand those morons, and avoid that site like the plague. It's just x-bot fanboys writing blogs they like to call "articles." A few weeks back they were calling for Sony to just give up the games division because they posted a drop in profits.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:24:43 PM

By the way Microsoft just threw a load of cash at Yahoo's face

And you all know what that means!

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piratedrunk
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:34:54 PM

does it mean Square-enix has partnered with Yahoo? :P

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Jed
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:59:31 PM

Oh god, I checked out your link and started to read some of the comments. I now have a headache and the room is spinning.

From now on whenever I see the idiots arguing about which console is better, I'm just gonna turn the computer off and go play my ps3.

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Highlander
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:21:22 AM

The sad thing is that this kind of article get's listed towards the top of Google's news feed if you search for PS3 because Cnet is supposedly reliable....

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Banky A
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 2:15:49 AM

I hate that..

I want to strangle and torture DMAN3k (a member on cnet).
I serious, he is foolish..

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:10:56 PM

Ben does the same kind of doomsday theory with the PC Market, so, he kind of deserves to be annoyed. If he wants to play hypocritical games such as this, well, he's bound to get it back every now and again.

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Jawknee
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:21:56 PM

IGN's daily fix reported on the sales drops of Sony and Nintendo too. So annoying. The 360 numbers have dipped too. No one reports it though.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 2:58:45 PM

@Jawknee,
IGN is crap

Has been since 2007 when they let go/fired their original Playstation editors/writers.

Last edited by Scarecrow on 8/1/2009 2:59:22 PM

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mk ultra
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:00:25 PM
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The fact that the PS3 is technically selling faster should have been included in the numbered points. I think that says alot, especially since it cost more.

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ThePearlJamer
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:06:27 PM

You wouldn't by chance be a Muse fan, would you...

or by MK Ultra do you mean the cancelled government mind control program

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mk ultra
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 5:51:53 PM

Cancelled government mind control program.

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ThePearlJamer
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:05:25 PM
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I was just watching the news and some dumb b*tch was like this just in, the games industry is continuing to show a steady decline of sales in hardware and software...meanwhile I'm thinking like this lady is f*cking stupid and doesn't know what she's talking about.

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Jed
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:56:37 PM

Actually the gaming industry has taken a hit this year.

Nobody ever seems to mention microsoft when the industry starts to decline, all they ever bring up is how the ps3 is so expensive and whatever else they want to rant about.

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Victor321
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:23:39 PM
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It won't be a waste of time because this site and its loyal community has fended off XBOX 360 fans (I'm not saying owners mainly because many bought a 360 because "their friends had it").

Pretty straight-forward if you ask me.

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Jawknee
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:52:45 PM
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Bravo!!!!

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Toxin
Friday, July 31, 2009 @ 11:58:59 PM
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PS3 is only 19 exclusives behind 360 according to the lists on Wikipedia. So yea PS3 is doing great.
Xbox 360-only games=173 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_exclusives
PS3-only games=154 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3_exclusives

Games include XBL , PSN and unreleased games.

Last edited by Toxin on 8/1/2009 12:06:13 AM

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Naga
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 10:16:33 AM

Take the arcade games out then PS3 has more exclusives

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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:20:11 AM
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::sigh:: I don't care...just keep giving me excellent reviews. I don't need to be reminded which device is shinier.

Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 8/1/2009 12:20:22 AM

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556pineapple
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:28:44 AM
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I'm curious to see how much the gap will have closed once GOW III and GT5 are released.

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wasim
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 9:59:02 AM

PS3 will reach between 100m -150m at the end of this gen

as for x360 it wont reach 40m lifetime

as soon as ps3 hits 299$ it is all over for MS in console war

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Alienange
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:50:50 AM
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Those who don't know these facts are the ones out there arguing the points like there's some debate to be won. Facts are facts. You can't debate them. PS3 has a happy user base that continues to grow at an alarming rate. Instead of arguing they should be out getting a job to pay for a PS3 so they can come join the fun.

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godsman
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:01:32 AM
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This is all true. PS3 is the faster selling console per unit of time. But............. Microsoft is counting US sales only. US consider them the center of the world. The rest of the world dont matter to them.

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a1_
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:28:51 AM
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xbox is alright but is nowhere near as good as the ps3. microsoft is terrible, they charge for everything like, wi-fi, hard drive, xbox live, the hd dvd player (when one was relevant for the 3 weeks it lasted before bluray completely put it out of buseiness)and the service isnt even that good, xbxo live is so far behind the PSN. its not even funny. there is no comparing the two, period.

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Ultimadesires
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:56:33 AM
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If FF13 was an exclusive and released earlier, the situation would be completely different, gaurentee it. The reason the PS3 isnt leading at the moment is because Microsoft bought out most of the PS3 exclusives. I'm still furious of Tekken 6, its not an xbox game.

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ohmikkie
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 8:47:32 AM

Yeah I'm the same about tekken 6 and was with devil may cry. I have both versions; but find ridiculous to play with xbox controller.

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Byakko2009
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 9:44:58 AM

Tell me about it! It's funny because since DOA3 on Xbox, new gamers who never played Tekken hated Tekken because it's a PS game. For the longest it drew tons of worthless comparisons with bigger fanboys like Itagaki adding fuel to the fire. Now after all their ranting about how Tekken "sucked", they're getting the game and suddenly they see fit to brag about. Same thing with MGS, they say it's all cutscenes but so desperately want the game.

I just can't wait for the day to come when PS3 sales surpass 360's. Anyone who thinks it won't happen obviously forgets about the other 2 regions where PS3 is strong. If a demo for FFXIII can move 60k units in one week, then wait until this winter when an expected price drop hits and the full game hits retail. Not to mention Vesperia is due their next month.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:07:15 PM

Not many will get it on Xbox, I think the 360 people are starting to understand while the controller for the 360 does do decently for FPS' (far inferior to mouse/keyboard), the d-pad is a steaming pile o' shit for fighters.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:43:30 PM

Morne, if you plan on going on a pro-PC quest just to spite me, let me disabuse you of that notion right now. There are two comments here by you that didn't even need to be made.

It's your effing OPINION that a mouse and keyboard is "superior," so SHUT IT. You're pissing me off.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:01:55 PM

Hey Mornelithe,
Care to prove that D-pads are crap for fighters?

Got SFIV by any chance? I'll disprove you, easily.

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Byakko2009
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:10:28 PM

Morne. Listen. I have a 66% win ratio in BlazBlue (1 week of play experience), near 70% in Tekken, and better than 75% in Street Fighter 4. Guess what? I use strictly the PS3 D-pad. Your OPINION about D-pads does not hold water. This crazy idea that D-pads are "inferior" to sticks is pure propaganda probably started by Hori or some other stick manufacturer to sell their $200 sticks to gamers.

It's pure opinion. Let me give you another example here. Ever watch Tekken Crash? I'll assume not since you'll probably say Tekken sucks and SF2 is King for fighters. Anyway, Tekken Crash is a tourney that sometimes pits Japanese players against Korean players. Sometimes they hold them in Japan or Korea. When held in Korea, the Japanese always lose. When in Japan, the Koreans lose. Reason? Well the sticks use different parts. Either way, both sides are using sticks and the feel that they are USED to, has an effect on the outcome. I've been a pad player for years, and I assure you, a stick does not equate to better play

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:46:36 PM

Uh no guys, the D-Pad on the 360 is bad...that's not just coming from me, it's coming from the 5 friends I have who own 360's, 3 who have PS3's, and 9 who have gaming rigs. You follow? Wasn't dissing the PS3's d-pad...why the hell would I bother owning (and not to mention clearly stating) Tekken: Dark Resurrection, SFIV, KoFXII, Capcom v SNK2 etc... for PS3? God, you guys need to get your reading comprehension down. Notice where I was talking specifically about the 360 at the time, when I mentioned D-PAD?? Hmm? So, quit being D-Bags, and get back to the topic at hand.

Ben's a console fanboy, and PS3 sales aren't as bad as most seem to think.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:49:15 PM

@ Scarecrow - I use the D-Pad for the PS3 dude, but my online name is Mornelithe if you want to play SFIV sometime =). Will have Tekken when it comes out also.

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Byakko2009
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 5:08:50 PM

Still, there are people who can play a fighter with the 360 pad. I personally can't adjust but my opinion is that the d-pad is too small for me. But that's my whole point really, it's just an opinion. I read your comment the first time and as much as you talk about farking PCs it's easy to assume you're hating on d-pads in general. I read it a second time and saw fit not to edit my original post because it still stands, even though it was clearer to me you were talking about 360's d-pad. I just think the whole "my controller of CHOICE" is better than someone else's is ridiculous, period.

Also PC elitists in particular annoy me, you're lucky I gave your comment a quick read at all. As for Ben being a fanboy. Whatever. He clearly mentions his enthusiasm for other games on the other console. And when he writes articles like this, he puts nothing but reasoning and logic behind it. Fanboys don't do that my friend.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 6:00:15 PM

@ Byakko - I guess I can understand why you'd think I was from what was stated, however, I guess if you reread it you can understand I specifically referring to the 360's game-pad. That is all.

However, you're right that it is merely opinion, but, I was speaking in terms of about 20 peoples opinions on the matter. Not just my own, and they weren't just 360/PS3/PC fanboys, it's a cut from across the spectrum. Most of the issue w/ the 360 game pad, is that it's not quite as sensitive/well-built as the PS3's. Sometimes when pressing a direction, the whole pad itself moves, which causes bad precision, especially for frenetic fighters like CvSNK2 etc... That's all I'm saying. Some people do 'make do', my friend Nate, for example, but he's much much better on the PS3 controller.

As for Ben, look, nothing wrong with a fanboy here and there. Ben's relatively good at explaining himself without allowing the fanboy to take over (most of the time). But, he's clearly a console fanboy...anyone who makes a broad statement such as 'PC is a sh** platform'. Clearly, has no clue what they're talking about. To make such a broad, general statement, about 1 type of platform. Well, it speaks for itself.

I prefer FPS' on PC but many people enjoy them on console, so be it. But, the fact is, if it's not on console, it's not worth Ben's time, and that strikes me as a bit hypocritical coming from someone who daily rails against the ignorant 360 fanboy decrying the position of the PS3.

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sticklife
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 1:24:38 PM

Morne, I like how you did not over react to people misreading you first post. About PC FPS control vs. console, I think most know a good PC player would beat a good controller player any day(thumb is not precise enough IMO). I think Ben does not like PC because 1. keyboards kinda suck for games I think(cramp my hands fast) 2. all the stinking hoops you must jump through to play good games on a PC (new parts every other year?). Ps3 sales will catch up wirh GT5 and GOW3 no doubt.

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Mornelithe
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 1:27:21 PM

@ Sticklife - There was no need to respond in a snappy way. I could see where the confusion was, even if I could also see what I was trying to say as well. No need to be a dick...until it's warranted.

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King James
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 2:10:29 AM
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Move them 3s ppl!

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Kai200X
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 2:25:32 AM
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Great article! Some people like to whine about everything for the sake of whining. They can whine all they want, but watch out! PS3 is catching up and nothing can stop it.

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___________
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:24:10 AM
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meh i really couldent care less who was selling the more systems.
as long as i get the games i want im happy.
and do me a favour and announce games when there 1 year maximum away from release.
im sick of sony announcing games, than 1 year later there given a date, than between that time and release there delayed another 15 times.

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englishgolfer
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 5:56:19 AM

and microsoft have never done that? announce a game and see it delayed?!? i'm looking at you alan wake....

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:40:42 AM
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Point 6: The PS3 kept pace with the 360 during a time when PS3 sales in Japan have been much slower than expected, due to surprising sales of the Wii, Microsoft cock-blocking Sony on numerous traditional PS franchises (e.g., Ace Combat, Star Ocean, anything from S-E), and a relative dearth of "Japanese" games (especially JRPGs) on the system.

Once that changes (this year), Japanese sales should double or triple, which will make a huge difference.

A price cut would also help.

Point 7: The PS3 kept pace with the 360 despite many consumers buying 360s to replace dead units. There's a reason why PSN and XBL memberships (including silver, I believe) are about the same.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 8/1/2009 3:47:50 AM

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Kempy21
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:05:22 AM

if you say point 7 to a xbox fanboy their heads explode.

and the xbox had nearly a 2 year lead in England and most of Europe.

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ShadowRunner
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:59:44 AM
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Sony is playing a different game than MS. While MS is still penetrating the market and trying to have a market share and attract gamers to their console asap (price reductions, throwing cash at developers for exclusivity), Sony's plans are long terms. Sony already has a big fan base, over 140 million ps2 owners, lots of first party excellent IPs, lots of third party AAA titles. Their game is different, they are not in a rush to prove themselves.
1. They design a hardware that is future proof: Blu-Ray, Cell, high mfg quality.
2. Through in an innovative internet community: Home.
3. Extend the PS3 capabilities: Firmware updates.
4. Keep on cutting down costs: 90nm to 65 nm to 45 nm Cell, Blu-Ray, RSX.
5. Work closely with game developers.
6. Add new features: Motion Sensing.
7. Listen to customers: DS3, hopefully backward compatability.
8. More long run return on investment (ROI) as a faster and more powerful version of the Cell, and higher capacity Blu_Rays are going to be used in the PS4.

Thats why they're not in the same rush MS is in to prove themselves. They're playing different games, and I think Sony is a step ahead.

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Deleted User
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 6:37:45 AM
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as a former Xbox 360 owner and Xbox fan and now a sony fan, all i have to say is i have more games on my PS3 then my 4 XBox 360's combined. 23 - 15.

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Luan
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 10:14:25 AM
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Ugh, I just can't stand the fanboyness of my friend...I try to shut him up but all the time he's whining about something.

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 12:03:12 PM

Just ignore him & let him live in a box. An Xbox, infact.

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 10:16:11 AM
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so when do we stop calling this gen "next-gen"?

we've been in it for a while now.....

that term should now be reserved for when there will be stuff going on with ps4 and xbox720

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:05:46 PM

Technically speaking, these consoles were never next gen, even when they were launched. DX10 cards were already out at the time.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:04:18 PM

Yes, but where there games being made with that DX10 card? Oh ho ho!

If any, probably in the single digits

In fact, there haven't been many PC games which outshine the ps3/360 in terms of graphics. By "outshine" I mean by a large margin. Yes they look better, but how much of a margin, heh :D

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:48:00 PM

You mean Crysis, Crysis: Warhead, Stalker: Clear Skies, Company of Heroes, you mean those games? They're sitting about 6 inches to my right. Look, you don't have to _like_ it. But 'technically' they were never next-gen. I still own a PS3 happily. And will be playing some Wipeout Fury in a few minutes here. Just saying, they based their GPU's off of last last gen tech.

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Byakko2009
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 5:19:13 PM

It's in the single digits though, like Scarecrow said lol. Do PCs serve any real purpose besides game development and office tasks? That's probably why games like SF4 even get ported to PC. Still what a waste of resources to publish a game that won't sell. For shame!

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 6:07:25 PM

We talking about different things here, what I was responding to, is the question on the term 'next-gen', and technically speaking, the consoles were based off of last gen tech. The PS3 is the only machine with anything new and innovative. The Cell and XDR Ram from Rambus. The GPU's however, were based off of pre-8000 series Nvidia/ATI GPU's.

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 11:54:53 AM
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Doesn't matter. This only proves how people are too lazy to research and that they aim for what's more simpler [to obtain], seems user friendly & practical. Word of Mouth & annoying advertisements is one of the main causes for 360 sales.

But who cares? We should all be happy to be in a gaming community that we believe works wondefully. Sony loyalists we are, but not because we blindly follow them, but because they have good aura, and never fail to bring us good experiences.

In all honestly though, if you want to compare sales, then compare it to how it failed compared to the PS2 & PS1. Stressing, isn't it? But tbh the PS3 never failed, and never will. It's an awesome console, we love it, and that is what counts.

That is my absolute bulls**t rant complete. Oh, the consequences of being merry xD.

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Boger
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 1:04:43 PM
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I have both systems, 360 and PS3.
I have 5 friends with RRD 360's.
#1-friend 5, 360's. #2-friend 3. #3-friend 3. #4-friend 2. #5-friend just got his 2 months ago,so we'll see.
As of now, my 360 is an X-Box only box.
If it's on PS3, I get it on PS3. Left for Dead is the only game I even turn my 360 on for.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:04:46 PM
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OMG PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They've been trying to catch up to consoles since 1995 lol :D

PS: Graphics means nothing, it's only a part of the whole.

Last edited by Scarecrow on 8/1/2009 3:05:20 PM

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Mornelithe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 6:24:19 PM

No, graphics aren't everything, which is why I still have Call of Duty 1 installed on my PC. And why I actively play Street Fighter IV on the console, as opposed to my PC (where it does indeed run better) Is it really that much of an insult to the console gaming community to hear that most 3rd party games look and perform better on PC? Why does that make you upset? If graphics aren't everything, why should you even care? Seriously. The only machine I really have a problem with is the 360, and that's ONLY because of the hardware defects. Otherwise, it's fine I guess...I just prefer to go with a PC, because the 360 excels at FPS, and I've never been that partial to using a controller for FPS'.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 10:41:18 PM

You can believe you just know more about everything, and that all multiplatform games are best played on PC (or some such inane bullsh**), but here's a rule from now on-

Don't ever bring up the PC again, unless it's in direct reply to an article posted. Any other time, it's an off-topic post and will immediately get deleted. By all rights, I shouldn't even allow these. Knock...it...off.

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Mornelithe
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 1:15:51 PM

Nah, I'll just continue the way I have, generally minding my own business, and offering up an alterate opinion here and there. Delete Away.

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Blink182Fan99
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 3:32:08 PM
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Excellent article :)

I was round my mates house the other day (he has a please-fix-me, but is not a fanboy [he says he would get a PS3 but doesn't want to spend that much]) and i really had the urge to play CoD4. I had my PS3, but sold it ages ago, and he had it on his please-fix-me, so I played it.

I noticed 2 main things...1) How incredibly uncomfortable the Xbox controllers are! I had to keep readjusting my grip!

and 2) How cool the party / cross game voice chat thing is. I was playing with my other mate who was playing FIFA, and couldn't help but think how much PS3 needs it too. It would just be so much better in my opinion.

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sticklife
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 1:36:34 PM

OH I'm sure it will come sometime this year.

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N a S a H
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 12:26:03 PM

No, it won't come this year. If you have a source show me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 4:28:27 PM
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Ben laid the smack down.

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Strker777
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 7:15:47 PM
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Excellent Article Ben!:)

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Naga
Saturday, August 01, 2009 @ 8:09:25 PM
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Dude these fanboy bred sites really piss me off too the comments and editors what the hell brah ya couldn't resist whining on the PS3s sales?!
Yeah so everyday I would click Google news, check my custom Playstation 3 news section and I swear the god this has gotta end I'm sick and tired off crap websites leaning towards the 360 with a negative title regarding Playstation or Sony.
I'm f**king serious why bother claiming Playstation 3 is lacking in sales while or whatever it is it clearly and almosted catched up to the Xbox 360 a console that released a year earlier now and the Trey caught up so why bother creating a low par article for the Xbox fanboys needs?!
Look Its simple Playstation 3 is superior in every way on what the 360 can do and that is f**k all

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___________
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 9:08:52 AM

where is ben dissing the ps3 sales?
from what i read hes trying to explain why there not as bad as people would have you believe.
mayb u should actualy read the article.
hell even the title is saying the sales are not to bad.
the articles are bias but not the way your saying.

Last edited by ___________ on 8/2/2009 9:12:31 AM

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wasim
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 10:14:31 AM

If x360 is the least selling console worldwide then ben cant help it

in 2 years and 5 months MS sold 19.9m x360s

in 2 years and 5 months SONY sold 22.9m X360s

PS3 has been outpacing CHEAP DEFECTIVE BOX AKAA XBOXPLEASEFIXME by 3m units

last quarter MS sold 1.2m X360s at 150$ (minimum price)
SONY sold 1.1m PS3s.

Can u imagine what will happen to MS when PS3 drops to 299$? it wont exist anymore

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rezenu
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 5:03:11 PM
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Good article.

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InfiniteRetro
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 6:58:23 PM
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2 things i think contribute here to xbox 360.

the first is:
microsoft may or may not be including refurbs as part of their 'sales'

the second is (most important):
piracy. you can mod a 360, download the games or copy them. has it occurred to people that the reason why the attach rates are so high is that some gaming stores allow returns. you buy 4 games, go home, copy, return all within the store's policy.

if the ps3 was able to be cracked the 360 would cease to even exist. thankfully though im glad sony's system has been left unturned.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 02, 2009 @ 9:09:42 PM
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Not sure why the fankids bother. It takes them all this time to pollute the Comments, and like two minutes to delete them all.

Bizarre.

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OriginalSin
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 7:02:23 AM
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Well the bottom line is no one likes to loose... In the beginning the xbox were kicking our ass and I don't think anyone can disagree with that. But slowly we the PS3 has gained momentum and just kept on steam rolling ahead at a steady pace... Now all of a sudden the ones so called winners the Xbox following basically had a false celebration and is now realizing they no longer have the upper hand.

It's like winning a gold medal at the Olympics just to be told you were in the wrong race or they found steroids in your urine so you are now last and you Gold medal is gonna be given to the true winner.

No one like to loose but thinking for a year that you are clearly the winner and king of the console world to have that shattered made them sore losers. It's like giving the small, short fat kid a head start so he might just feel good about himself for a little. It's not like you'll let him win...would you?

I know that might have sounded harsh and no offense to short fat people either.... Just could think of another good comparison at that stage...

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Byakko2009
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 8:14:21 AM

That's just it though, the only thing coming out of fanboys now is sales numbers. They flood the web with their "we sold 30 million" crap when in truth there is nothing to be won there. The only winners in sales numbers are the freaking stockholders and M$.

The only thing that makes sales relevant to gamers is that it's what third parties ultimately look at when deciding to choose a platform(s) for a game. Which is ironic because by a 360 fanboys logic, they should be getting tons of exclusives which they are not. In fact, the upcoming exclusives are dwindling every few months for 360.

It's just buyer's remorse those 360 dudes are experiencing. I know, I suffered it too when I first tried Capcom vs Snk 2 on Xbox live. Thankfully, I suffered no long-term Xboxism effects so I remained sane and logical. Then the wonder that is free PSN and Tekken online entered my life and the world made perfect sense again.

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Shatterday
Monday, August 03, 2009 @ 2:49:47 PM
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thumbs up for Megan Fox?

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