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Editorial: Resistance Requires More Respect

There are certain games that are kinda like the Rodney Dangerfields of the game industry; they just don't get the respect they deserve, regardless of how much praise they receive from the critics.

After seeing this article, I recalled all the great memories I had with both Resistance: Fall of Man and Resistance 2. Furthermore, it annoys me that even with the excellent critical reception for the sequel, the developer believes the overriding belief amongst fans is that it was a disappointment. I've heard this as well but it makes little or no sense as far as I'm concerned. I suppose the difference in movement and control is more subjective - the sequel moved faster and felt more like Call of Duty - but even so, the improvements were clear. And besides, since when is a Call of Duty style unpopular? Are we forgetting just how awesome that single-player campaign was in Resistance 2? With the lone exception of Killzone 2, R2 is my most favorite FPS of the generation.

The thrills were almost ceaseless, the AI was great, the giant enemies and size and scope of the game was fantastic, and I've wanted to go through it again ever since I finished it. Then you've got the multiplayer; we're talking about 60 players at once online and that's just insane. Until we heard about MAG, 60 was the record and all in all, R2 represented one of the most amazing and intense online multiplayer experiences around. Heck, it still does. I stand by every last word of my review and urge everyone who hasn't played it - perhaps due to the ridiculous negative feedback by other games; God only knows what they're disappointed about - to give it a try ASAP. The first Resistance was the only truly awesome game to launch with the PlayStation 3 way back in 2006 and it remained one of the best titles on store shelves for a very long time.

Yes, Killzone 2 may be the defining FPS of the generation thus far, but it's still wrong to discount the Resistance games. It's really unfair to Insomniac; they put forth this unbelievable sequel and while most all of the critics reward them appropriately, it just doesn't acquire the requisite admiration among the gaming public. It's a crime, I say.

10/23/2009 Ben Dutka

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Comments (94 posts)

NoSmokingBandit
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:07:38 PM
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Its the Insomniac Curse. Ratchet and Clank doesnt get half the praise it deserves, and it seems the Spyro was loved more after they stopped making it.

I put R:FoM in the other day to play a bit. It is such an incredible game. Everyone who plays Insomniac's games knows how great they are, but maybe we have just grown accustomed to how awesome they are.

Scenario:
*plays R&C:ACiT*
"Oh, another AAA title from insomniac. How predictable..."


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I just read the article you posted. I have so much damn respect for Insomniac after reading that. Its easy to tell that they care about nothing more than their fans. They are the kinds of people who drive this industry forward.


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kevinater321
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:09:48 PM
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I agree, when i mention it people ask me what that is. Actual fellow gamers! it's ridiculous!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:47:47 PM

not as hard as some parts in KZ2 I'll tell ya.

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Banky A
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:41:26 AM

Not hard but annoying.
Everthing's easy after COD: WaW on Veteran.

A walk in the park compared to MegaMan..

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Scarecrow
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:08:38 AM

Ah yes!

Hard? you'd have a hard attack playing NES/SNES games

Super Ghosts N Ghouls?
Or how 'bout the original Ghosts N Goblins?

Nah, R2 was fun as hell, you can always adjust the difficulty.

Difficulty is a good thing imo, should never be a negative unless it's Devil May Cry 3

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Banky A
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:39:35 AM

/sorry off topic boasting

Bahhh what's with people and DMC3 :)

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BlackBriar
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:37:59 PM
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Hell Yea! This game was sooo BadAss!!!

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GuernicaReborn
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:39:35 PM
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I liked both games, but I liked R:FoM more. I liked being able to carry all those guns at the same time, and I liked that the campaign could be played with 2 players. R2 had incredible boss battles, and the online co-op was awesome.

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:13:30 AM

i liked having all the guns also

but not having all the guns did offer a bigger challenge in R2

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:30:47 PM

I disliked the fade-to-red thing for health. The partially regenerating health bar was a great idea and it seems like they just followed the rest of the industry instead of keeping up their original ideas. I also disliked the two-weapon thing. Having a sh** ton of guns is just a staple of Insmoniac's games.

Those are the only two problems i have with R2 and they arent really problems seeing as every other game does it the same way.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:42:29 PM
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Y'know what? It really does.

This was my first owned & played PS3 game; it helped define the PS3 aura for me. Plus it's got a really nice plot.

Too bad this game got drowned out. This and LBP were the main driving force of 08 fall season, and many either didn't give a s**t, or never even heard of them.



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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:49:54 PM
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The only thing I can see people having a problem with was the "brown" wash that seemed to be over everything and honestly should that keep you from a fantastical game. Awhile ago I wrote my own editorial for the forums on how R2 is in a number of ways better than KZ2 so I can sympathize with you Ben. And you bet your ass I'm looking forward to Resistance 3.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:09:05 PM

Ah yeh, but I remember that the brown wash seemed more dull/grayer with Fall of Man. Resistance 2 is more vibrant [no complaint either].

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Qubex
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:39:20 PM

I may pick up Resistance 2 if I can find it somewhere at half price :)

Q!

"i am home"

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Deathstriker
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 10:55:07 PM
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i dont ignore resistance for what it is i ignore it for what it isnt, i love the story thats all i got out of it, the orginal multiplayer was just plain fun but like all games the multiplayer got old, when R2 multiplayer come out i almost died

its nothing like the orginal its more of a fast paced cartoon feeling rather then r2, and the co-op campaign wasnt nearly what it should have been also

Resistance (story, online) 9.6/10
Resistance 2 (story) 10/10
Resistance 2 (online) 6.5/10

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Kr3sn1k
Tuesday, October 27, 2009 @ 2:55:42 PM

r u high dude? the R2 online was plain out sick in my opinion its passed the level of so many games

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BlackBriar
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:01:58 PM
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Another Side Note, when is Resistance 2 going to become a Greatest Hit? It would sell huge!

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therabbitkinge
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:08:15 PM
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I never owned this title but did play some of R:1 FOM and I loved it personally especially considering it was a big change in direction for INSOMNIAC in terms of design and overall tone ^_^ I will go support it and buy a copy A.S.A.P. ^_^

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perestroika
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:17:04 PM
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i really liked the first one, even though it was a bit bland. the second one wasn't bad, but it needed a lot of polish. some levels have the worst lighting... i think sony might have pushed this one out so it wouldn't be so close to killzone2 or something.

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Fane1024
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:02:57 PM

Sony never pushes Insomniac on release dates. They know what they've got and don't want to sour the relationship. If anything, Insomniac's decision to release Resistance 2 during the holidays pushed Killzone 2 to February.

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rcrodgers
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:22:09 PM
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Ben: Pass this along to IG. R2 has a few fans in Detroit! The only thing I think it's missing are some completely new maps for co-op and competitive modes; the only things we've seen since R2 was released last year were a couple slightly modified co-op maps that came with an update.

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Aftab
Friday, October 23, 2009 @ 11:41:28 PM
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KZ2's visuals are definitely mesmerizing, but in terms of story and voice-acting, and gameplay and responsiveness of controls, R2 > KZ2.

The problem with excessive Cell postprocessing is that just as in LCD tv's postprocessing (especially with motionflow/auto-motion), it creates perceptible lag in the controls. R2 just felt more responsive than KZ2.

This is also why I traded in my lcd for a plasma. Since image retention and screen burn-in issues of the first models have been ironed out, plasma guarantees the best performance for gaming, offering a much faster response rate, not to mention also the higher contrast ratio, and more and deeper colors makes the graphics of games like U2 pop out even more, without all that postprocessing that lcd's typically do to reduce ghosting, which just bogs down the controls.

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Guest
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:09:11 AM
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Everything Insomniac has done is always top-notch, Resistance 2 is no exception...

...but,...(no-"but-cracks"!)... ;)

...What happens with a certain character at the end of the game just pisses-off both myself and anyone I've spoken with whose played it. It's a great game both single-player and online, hell, it's an EPIC game, but what a horrible thing to do to a player after all those hours...

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LowKey
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 7:22:52 AM

Uhhh, no its an INSOMNIAC game.

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Kangasfwa
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:12:38 AM
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NeoGAF thought Resistance 2 was a failure? NG hates everything. Insomniac shouldn't pay attention to them.

Yeah, R2 did somethings I didn't like, but so did Ratchet: Deadlocked. Insomniac has admitted they pushed R&C too far with that game, but it told Insomniac what the fans want, what the series needs to be. They need to look at the R2 complaints the same way. That's why sequels exist. To improve.

Insomniac's Spyro is the reason I started playing games. R&C: ToD is the reason I bought my PS3. Resistance reignited my passion of the shooter genre. Insomniac is my favorite developer and I honestly think they always will be.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:21:49 AM
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Resistance Fall of Man had the better story by far.

Im actually glad insomniac feels this way, only because it means they will try to go all out for the third, should be epic. It also shows they care about their fans. But to say fans thought it was a failure? since when does one site determine how the whole fanbase feels?

I really think the game needed more polish though. Still had a blast with it

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Wage SLAVES
Monday, October 26, 2009 @ 3:59:01 AM

Nice to see ya back!

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Banky A
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:42:27 AM
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OMGWTFBBQ Resistance is awesome.

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:11:25 AM

lol thats a great trophy

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King James
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:17:44 AM
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I just played some Co-op today with a friend of mine who only has an xbox. So, he is not familiar with the new PS3 franchises. I put him on Killzone last week. He loved it. But today he asked did it had co-op. I gave him that look, sighed, and said that's the only thing its missing.

So I looked at my library and found...R2. I said this has a great co-op! We played offline. I told him that the AI is smart and numerous. I had to babysit him all game. He, constantly, just keep trying to run in guns-a-blazing. Real Halo style. Trying to melee Chimera. "You are NOT Master Chief!", I kept yelling.

He died so much, lol. Good thing my Medic is maxed out or I wouldn't have had so much fun time laughing at him get smacked down by MetalHeads (the ones with the Auger guns).

Good times. Thank, Insomniac. R3 will have that U2 effect. It'll be like a re-launch of the franchise. Noobs will discover Resistance like its the next best thing. And Sony will actually advertise it this time. R3 will sell a mil in one week, easy.

Trust.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:26:06 AM

I love watching Halo tweakers die when playing as someone other than Master Chief, they might as well just say "What the hell I'm not invincible and I can't fly when I jump!"

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Wage SLAVES
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:47:39 AM
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My only disappointment was the lack of the Ricochet gun.

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fatelementality
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:07:30 AM
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LOL. Good timing with this article Ben. I just traded R2 in today. It was towards U2 so I guess I kinda bought a vowel didn't I? My life is full of such irony. When I walked out of a meeting last week after being informed that everyone was getting a 6% pay decrease, the first thing I heard on the radio station was "Money money money money...............moooneey!!" There was fraud in my bank account three days ago, then I see the cover of my car insurance newsletter that evening. "BEWARE OF FRAUD!!" Man, the past few weeks have really sucked ass.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:35:34 AM

Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

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Scarecrow
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:15:02 AM
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Why are people wanting to buy at half price or whatever? Or wanting it to go as a Greatest Hits

People should just support this game at full price for how awesome it truly is

Anyway, cramming LBP with R2 within two weeks of each other was such a baaaaaad move....Both games suffered 'cause of that.

Anyway it's a great game. Those who don't own it are just missing out, period. I don't feel sad for the game, nah, I'm sure Imsoniac made lots of money. I just shrug at those who haven't played it fully like the rest of us.

With that in mind, I can't wait for Resistance 3, should be freaking insane. Chimeran New Yorkers! Oh hell yes!

PS: Resistance 2 still has some of the best textures I've seen in any game. This game is truly a graphical marvel. And I agree 'bout the huge enemies, lots of variety in them too.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 7:08:27 AM

I thought that was some of the knocks it was getting...'selectively' nice textures while letting others just be mediocre? Not that you should really be noticing such trivialities if you're enjoying the game! :-)

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:39:08 AM
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This isn't MY opinion, but the main things I hear from others about R:FoM & R2 (who aren't 360 fanboys or Sony/PS3 haters) is that while they are solid games on the PS3, they're not 'unique' enough to be THAT special. That is, when you play a lot of those kinds of games, even if something new is GOOD, it can be kinda ho-hum and not intrigue some people that much. K2 also suffered from this kind of feeling in some people's minds.

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KBsocks
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:45:48 AM
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I prefer R2 over Killzone 2 personal opinion of course.
Better boss battles, and then there's also the kick-ass online co-op.

The only area Killzone 2 beat R2 was in graphics and by quite a large margin. But everywhere else including story R2 was better it wasn't "good" but Killzone 2's story was just...wtf?

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___________
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:55:13 AM
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i was actually really disappointed by resistance 2.
first i had to wait 27 days longer than the US to play it.
than i found out the limited edition was not available here, and for some reason everyone on ebay refused to ship it here.
that dident start me off well.

main things i did not like.
1 whats with the whole game looking like the Sahara desert?
everything was so red or orange, the first was brown and dark, looked crap but much better than the red and orange environment.

2 the game was so repetitive.
i finished resistance fall of man 5 times in the first few weeks and never ever got bored of it, ive finished it like 20 times now and am STILL not bored of it.
after finishing resistance 2 i was sick of it, i had to force myself to play it so i could unlock the later difficulty.
than i was half way through superhuman and my HDD shat itself, so i had to start all over again.
there was so many fu** ups with that game, just completley put me off it.
so thanks to that i had to finish the game on hard again just to unlock superhuman.

3 the online was BRILLIANT! loved it to death, and i normally hate online.
but it was so god dam buggy, every time i a tried a co-op game titans would get stuck in walls, switches would not work, i would get stuck in logs or other obstacles.
it took insomniac FOREVER! to fix these god dam things.
thats why i was massively disappointed with resistance 2, they took all the good things about R1 and removed them.
WWWWWWWWTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF??????????????????
i thought the whole point of a sequel was to keep all the good things of the old and add new good ones, not remove all the good ones.
still was a decent game but no where near as good as the first.

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Banky A
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:24:30 AM

Ok okay.

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slayerkillemall
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:10:13 AM
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I'm glad that insomniac is aware that R2,is a failure in the fans "eyes" ...

They replaced everything that made fall of man great like,

the health bar > for regenerative health.

being able to carry all guns > to only 2 at a time...

the narrative and presentation and story from the British womans perspective > to nathan interacting directly...

quote "People should just support this game at full price for how awesome it truly is"

I,like many others paid $60,for the original and do not regret it,however i regret any amount that i paid for the second one .

As soon as i,started the first level,it was obvious this was not the game i had bought with
my hard earned money,and i inmediately took it back for my refund,(its the first time i return a game)

so i would think that insomniac,will fix what they did to their fans with their third installment...


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LowKey
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:06:55 AM
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Ben, Resistance FOM was phenomenal, I loved the controls, pace of the game and even the weapon wheel. I think the weapon wheel was great. Now the fact that R2 made changes is good, but they made so many HUGE changes to the game. It wasn't broken so why would you try to fix it? R1 had a really good thing going and they screwed it up by giving it more of a COD4 feel. Now don't get me wrong I love COD4 but come on, I dont want every FPS I play to feel like COD4. I hate how people complain that a game isnt like COD4. But then they whine that they want something fresh,. I'm sorry to tell ya (not you Ben, just people in general) but ya need to decide which one you want. I would like to bring up the KZ2 fiasco. Perfect example. Here you got a great new game where the weight of your gear is what effects your turning speed, and whats the first thing out of peoples mouths? *Whiny voice* "It doesnt turn like COD4"
cont. below

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LowKey
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:10:55 AM

Well sorry to tell ya it's not COD4, it's KZ2, if ya don't like it den git de puck. So in closing I think that and the cool features that they took out is what bothers people. I know that was it for me. I don't hear people complain about RFOM. I only hear people complain about R2.

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ThugNificent101
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:12:10 AM
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I do feel that Resistance 2, while great, was a bit of a let down. But that let down for me came mostly in the department of polish, something this game didnt have enough of IMO. Loved the game and the multiplayer kept me busy for a while, but it just wasnt at the level i had anticipated being a fan of the first game.

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:25:56 AM
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I loved Resistance: Fall of Man in the most graphic of ways. But they completely jumped the shark with R2 in almost every way that a game could let me down R2 did. The plot was boring, they destroyed everything that was cool about Nathan Hale, they turned the online from some awesome old-school feeling game into the premature love child of CoD, Halo, and Socom. The only saving grace that the game had IMO was that the single player level design was superb. If I were to take everything in that single player campaign and completely remove it from that atrocious plot then it was one of the best FPS single player games of the generation. Too bad the game wasn't long enough to make me feel like I got even close to my sixty dollars' worth.

Luckily, it seems Insomniac is learning it's lesson as Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time looks like it will expand the game a lot without destroying what made previous entries so good to begin with.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 5:06:56 AM
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I think Resistance is phenominal, I rarely play FPS because but Resistance had just a brilliant style i couldnt resist...( No pun intended lol)

I liked the 2nd one, but i cant help but think its a little too cinematic. I didnt like how Nathan sudden wanted to comment on everything, The end... was just.... i didnt satisfy me.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:30:31 AM

I agree how the ending wasn't quite as epicly monolithic as one would expect it to be, but from a film critic perspective, it was beautifully written...a twist from the scene where Capelli goes...

"Hale when you turn, and it won't be long, I'll be the one to pull the trigger, and I won't hesitate, not one sec...glrglghgh"

Hale grabs Capelli by the throat.

"Offer accepted! But until then, let's consider this subject closed."

Hale chucks Capelli aside and boards the helicopter.

The ending was a heart-wrenching twist from that scene. Capelli says,

"Sir, it was an honor."


Ah, the character development.

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Random_Steve
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 5:14:32 AM
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the only aspect of the game that i thought truly deserved the praise it got was the online co-op. playing with a friend is impossible tho. the story was OK but i just didn't really get into it. The online was awful imo. it takes too long to kill ppl and i would finish on like 5 kills and about 100 assists. It was good, but not great

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Random_Steve
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 7:06:43 AM

also the first one you get a greater feel of desperation. they tried to replace the grim and dark feeling of the first one with gore and hordes of enemies

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Banky A
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:43:45 PM

Not trying to sound mean but it's not too hard to kill people.

I got 10,000+ kills and I see that people who found it hard just aren't good at R2 yet.

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vgWacky
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:31:12 AM
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R:FoM was the reason I bought my PS3. It's still one of the finest games on the system.

Like many others (judging by the feedback here and on the official forums) I was disappointed with R2. It just felt rushed to me. I hope Insomniac take more time (or assign more resources) on R3 because I'd hate to be disappointd.

Or maybe my expectations were just too high?

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www
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:37:32 AM
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Resistance Fall of Man & Motorstorm were my first games for PS3, they came together though I put Resistance in the PS3 slot first. It was epic but after CoD4, I felt I had enough with fpss thus I skipped R2. Killzone 2 meanwhile was bad-ass but after playing all these fps games, I still think I prefer the Modern Warfare franchise ;)

Ben I gotta feeling you wrote this article cause you're thinking Insomniac is feeling left out after all the praises and attention towards Naughty Dog, I know that too ;)

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LowKey
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 7:12:13 AM
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I would like to state for the record thay my expectations for R2 were not that high. I was hoping it would have a few cool new things,but be basically the same style as RFOM. Although Im glad they diddn't pull a THQ and change the games format like a certain other game whose initials are RF, lol. that could've been worse than R2 is dontcha think?

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ohmikkie
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 8:24:07 AM
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I agree with you Ben.

I think both were PS3 Resistance games were great. Although I did prefer the first.

Killzone 2 overshadowed R2, with regards to multi-player for me. But I did find both resistance multi-player preferable over COD4. I have never like the perks and power up gimmicks.

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furbiesmustdie
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 8:56:03 AM
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i'm sorry but i found the first game extremely boring. the problem i have with harcore FPSs is that they really feel half finished to me. like they've got the gunplay mechanics done but couldn't be bothered to give it a story to sting it all together. that's why i love games like uncharted so much more than games like resistance gears of war and killzone. aaaaaand here comes the $hitstorm.

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Sir Shak
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 9:17:49 AM
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Insomniac recently admitted that fan feedback suggested R2 was a let down . They need to work on the audio , the guns didn't sound powerful enough .

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Diggity Dan
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 9:33:58 AM
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I played Resistance FOM...I wasn't too impressed even back then in 2006/7. I guess the style just isn't my bag. I briefly tried R2, and returned it after an hour or so of playing.

On a technical note, I think R2 didn't have enough graphical improvements that other game series have since.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:13:50 AM

purchase a new television.

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ohmikkie
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:35:32 AM

Amazing. I found visuals were good.
Although a bit too colourful for my tastes it makes a change from bland browns and greys found in a lot of "gritty" shooters.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:31:37 AM
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Wow, some of you need to realize what the difference is between opinion and objective quality.

A game is WORSE because it changes the way you view your health? It's worse because there's more of a modern story and Nathan Hale is more than a faceless character that is only spoken about? It's worse because they made it more realistic so you can only carry 2 guns at a time? You can only do that in Uncharted 2 as well and I don't see people complaining. The controls are also exactly like most other popular FPSs, which can't possibly make it "worse;" it just made the sequel faster.

Now, you can LIKE certain aspects of the original more but once again, opinion does not dictate quality. There were no changes from the first to the second that could be considered an actual step backwards, which is why critics said it was better.

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ohmikkie
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:42:54 AM

I agree.

But I did prefer the first one as it presented more of a wow factor at that time for me. At the time I did not expect a console FPS to equal PC FPSs. Also I found FOM more challenging.

I also preferred R2 on-line to COD. But that's opinion again. I prefer run and gun to camping. You can do that without penalty in games like R2 K2 and (dear I say it ) Halo3.

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Diggity Dan
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 10:52:23 AM

The title of the article was "Editorial: Resistance requires more attention". It expresses an opinion, and I think some people simply disagree with you on it.

People understand there's a difference between technical polish/production quality vs. personal gaming preference. But personal preferences are just as valid in this discussion (Does Resistance require more attention?). When they say "worse" or "better", they're just substituting that for "I prefer" or "don't prefer". It's not that big a deal to nitpick the word choice.

And for what it's worth, yes R2 was technically improved, but not *nearly* as much as I expected or hoped. As WorldEnds suggested, maybe I need to get a new TV, but they both looked like a really advanced PS2 games graphically...

So, no I think Resistance is not deserving of any more attention. There are too many other games out there that I prefer and/or have more technical polish/quality (KZ, COD series). This too is just my opinion...not presenting it as fact. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:02:22 AM

No, that's not the point. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me; it has everything to do with people saying Resistance 2 was "worse" or "not as good" - both objective qualifications - because of their personal preferences.

You can disagree all you want; I don't care what you like or don't like. But I really hate it when people think their opinion somehow changes the overall quality of a game. If this was true, I would've given Demon's Souls a 6, which, as we all know, would've been entirely unfair.

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:26:25 AM

To all, here's an example of understanding that a product has great quality but not liking it at all. For me, that example is Toyota. I understand that they produce quality vehicles and have a reputation for it but I cannot stand them at all. I have used several of their vehicles, over the years, and do not like their interior design at all. Sure, they have decent suspensions but the console design, and ergonomics irritate me to no end. Do I think they're crap vehicles because of this? No. You can see the quality in the materials used but that won't ever change my opinion unless they finally make a console with controls where I don't have to lean forward for because of that massive slope, away from the driver, or controls that look wonky, with poor settings, in the 4Runner and Sequoia. I'm looking at you, A/C controls, that have only four settings and no inbetween.

I guess it's hard for many to see the quality in a product, such as a video game, when what we ultimately look for is a solid, fun game that entertains us and makes us smile. If the story or features do not make us giddy all over, then we are quick to put this down as "poor" quality. I get what people are saying but this isn't accurate.

That's all I'm sayin'. Flame away. ;)

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:07:48 PM

I think for most people, other than professional critics, critiquing is more of an emotional, impulsive reaction rather than an intellectual response. Also, while the professional critic will either consider the tastes of everyone, casual and hardcore gamer and fans of genres, or focus purely on the quality of the product and ignore the preference, expectations, or bias of the audience altogether, the layman usually is an advocate of none other than his own self.

Then, we have the hardcore gamer, who as a critic, is still a layman, but has a very close attention to detail, memory of things, though selective, and has a lot to say. His response often will be passionate, and therefore, his overall opinion or rating will seem convincing, but may actually be misleading and/or exaggerated. In fact, though their attentiveness may resemble that of the professional critic, the inaccuracy of their assessment will often mirror the ratings given by the casual gamer, or a person who simply can't care enough to even give a more fair perspective than "this rox"/"this sux". The troubling thing is that more and more sites and magazines are posting reviews made by these guys. So, it's really awesome to know at psxextreme, this isn't the case, and Ben and Arnold remain ever professional, intellectual, and reliable.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:27:02 PM

fluffer and Aftab: Well said. It's all true. As critics, we do have to try to consider everyone's tastes and sometimes, our own entertainment has to take a backseat because of this. But that being said, I will still say I - personally - had more fun with the R2 single-player campaign; it was just MUCH more explosive, IMO.

And I don't really like Toyota, either, fluffer nutter. They're extremely reliable, of course, and their reputation is high. But I've always thought they ride TOO soft, which is why I went with the Infiniti instead of the Lexus (which is just a fancy Toyota).

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www
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:28:48 PM

Lol this were guys like Aftab like to come in, Highlander should also be around the corner with the long talk lol. I sometimes think the 2 of you guys should really get into writing for mags or sites or something.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:28:10 PM

Thanks bro, it takes one to know one. But, I'd probably alienate the readership, or put them to sleep, which wouldn't be good for business ;)

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:07:11 PM

Ben I think we're almost arguing semantics. But what ever. I don't think anyone is arguing that what Resistance did wasn't of high quality, just that almost every design decision, story decision, and especially character decision were bad ones. They homogenized the game into something that was uninspired and felt very... average. To be fair Resistance 1 was not unique. But it was different from what most of the other FPS games were doing at the time. This made it a lot easier to forgive its flaws. But when you try to become more like CoD and more directly compete with CoD you better bring your A game. And if R2 was Insomniac's A-game (FPS wise) then I think they should make this series a trilogy and let it rest in piece.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:36:03 PM

I don't like Gears of War, and yes I've played it.

I feel it's just based on ridiculous gore and bs like that.

Thought I do admit that it's a great game in its own regard.

That's the difference between understanding the bottom line when it comes to quality. One might not like it, but it doesn't mean that it's bad or worse than "blank" just because you personally don't like it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 3:38:46 PM

SHADOW: It's not semantics. There's opinion and then there's fact. What you're saying there is entirely opinion; hence, it has no bearing on the quality of R2.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 4:38:34 PM

At the same time, Shadow, no one is arguing that R2 didn't have weaknesses, or that it ranks amongst the best games of all time, but we choose to acknowledge it for it's high quality. And hey, if this game was only an example of what's "average" for you, this generation, then you must be having a pretty good time, and it should leave little reason for disappointment. But hey, I remember this was a sore spot with you.

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Diggity Dan
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:34:25 PM

@Ben:
"SHADOW: It's not semantics. There's opinion and then there's fact. What you're saying there is entirely opinion; hence, it has no bearing on the quality of R2. "

He's wasn't talking about the quality of the game. He even took the care to specify that in his 2nd sentence. He's just saying he didn't care for the design choices they made in the sequel, and therefore he didn't enjoy the game. Furthermore, a LOT of people agree with him.

This DOES have bearing on how much attention the game may deserve. If the majority of people don't care for a game's design choices/aesthetics/control schemes, then who cares if it's technically well-polished?

If opinions didn't matter, everybody would agree on which games are worthy of more attention (edited to "respect"?) and which aren't.


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 9:37:30 PM

Any time someone says all the design decisions were bad, that's almost entirely subjective.

Anybody can complain. Whether or not it affects anything besides personal enjoyment is what matters on the larger scale.

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LowKey
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:22:11 PM

While it is how they do in uncharted 2. It was also how they did in uncharted. changing the whole weapon carrying system is classed as a major change. like I said before I want to play Resistance not COD 4. What RFOM brought to the table was a different experience then all of a sudden COD 4 comes out and R2 becomes just another generic COD 4 wannabe.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, October 25, 2009 @ 4:39:13 PM

@Lowkey,
Resistance becomes COD because you can't carry 100 weapons?

lol that's hilarious!

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Streets_74
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:01:23 AM
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See this is another game I just couldn't get into trust me I tried, I was about 7 hours into the campaign and I just didn't finnish. I still can't figure out what it was about it that I couldn't grasp. I mean I like the weapons I thought the graphics were great, and the story seemed to be well put together. I did'nt even try the multiplayer I always save that till I finnish the single player, but then it happened the nail in the coffin my brother whom I had been playing co op with(I enjoyed co op better) erased my single player mode by mistake and I just couldn't bring myself to play through it again. So that kind of kept me from picking up R2, by that time all I could think about was KZ2, which is the best fps I have played, damn spawn campers ruined that for me though.

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SILVERAMMO
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 11:40:52 AM
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i still love and aprreciate resistance and cant wait for resistance 3.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 12:12:58 PM

Precisely. And I think that's what everyone can agree upon. Say what you will about R2 vs R1, but everyone is still curious about R3. This most definitely means R2 succeeded on many levels for sure.

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Ling
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:07:05 PM
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The whole Resistance universe is very bland and generic.
I defy anyone who's played the game once to tell me the name of the protagonist. The Chimera are more compelling characters. I'd rather play as one of them! Some of the weapons are fun and interesting.
But, I was bored to lamost death with the singleplayer campaign of both R1 and R2. It ALL starts with good storytelling and Resistance suffers from an outdated "War of the Worlds" conceit and just feels and plays as extremely stale.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:12:10 PM

If it all starts with storytelling, you must hate every FPS ever made.

And it's Nathan Hale. I knew it and remembered it in the first five minutes.

Again, PLEASE don't pass off opinion as fact.

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Aftab
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 1:46:26 PM

Quite a few people had the same thing to say about R1, though the gameplay was unanimously recognized as solid. Insomniac acknowledged that and added color and personality, and then some, to R2. So, they really spruced up the Resistance universe, and I sincerely thought so. I agree with Ben, you must not be a fan of FPS's, nor of many AAA game's this generation.

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Alienange
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:09:35 PM
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Gamers are a weird bunch. R2 a failure? How's that now? All I see is some people saying "It's not like the first." If the game was like the first, what would they be saying then?

Of course there's some things that were included in R2 that many didn't like, but that goes for a lot of games. Like stupid near insta kills for falling in water.

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startazz
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 2:27:26 PM
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Don't take this the wrong way as i did really like RFOM 2 and the co-op part of it but i must say i got RFOM 1 with my launch PS3 and i still play it now when i'm not playing a new game and i have played through it about 3 or 4 times now and to be honest i could manage another go round and thats really unusual for me to play a game more than twice and RFOM 1 online is even better than the single player,2 was good but for me 1 was a lot better but we all have our own opinion and this is just mine.

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maxpontiac
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:26:58 PM
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In my opinion, Resistance 1 is better then Resistance 2 due to the campaign alone. Here are my reasons in detail.

- I had no connection to the characters. The human element that I long for in games was not to level I was hoping. Resistance 1 was no Uncharted 2, but it was far better then R2.
- The experience was void of vehicle segments. The mech and jeep levels were among my favorites, and a break in the FPS missions.
- The weapon wheel was missing. This was a feature that I loved. Unrealistic yes, but it left the door open for the right weapon in the right scenario.
- The color (art direction) was to bright. R1 had the gritty look that I liked.
- The weapons were strategically placed. You knew something was going happen for the rocket launcher to be there.
- The health system was COD, again. I enjoyed the health bar that did not re-charge due to the strategic element it represented.
- The graphics were not what I was expecting. After viewing the likes of Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, a PS3 exclusive is to deliver the visual experience that is unmatched elsewhere.
- From what my kids tell me, they missed the split-screen co-op modes. Not important to me, but obviously important to some.

Now while the my complaints may force someone to believe I did not like the game, but in reality, I enjoyed Resistance 2. It was not the game that it should have been, and I have a great deal of respect for Insomniac for not only recognizing the pulse of the gamer, but for publically acknowledging it.

It is in my opinion that Resistance 3 should be a FPS RPG. Not the grinding type, but one of general open level design with several side missions in each level. For example, one side mission could be to save the inhabitants of building that is under seige by Chimera. Nothing to complex, but something to bring about the feeling of doing more.

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Metal Head
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:53:06 PM
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Resistance is way better than Halo 3 and Killzone 2, and COD franchise combined. Is a shame fellow gamers buy games that are hyped by so called game journalists. Resistance is the big daddy of fps this generation.

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tlpn99
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 6:53:25 PM
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I thought 1 and 2 were both ok, ok they both have issues. While I was playing them I enjoyed them and I thought 2 had been improved on in certain areas.
I am hoping 3 is even better than before.

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frostface
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 7:43:41 PM
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Both games where great games but I'll always have a love for Fall of Man over any fps around as it was my first time introduction to fps and I remember many frustrating moments popping that cherry! As they say, you never forget your first time :)

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Juanalf
Saturday, October 24, 2009 @ 8:29:15 PM
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loved Resistance one and I'm waiting for part 2 to become greatest hits.

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ThugNificent101
Sunday, October 25, 2009 @ 1:59:59 AM
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I really enjoyed Resistance 2, more so than FoM mainly due to the campaign presentation. People who say "It wasnt like the 1st" or whatever are making it sound as if the game was bad when it was a very good game in reality. R2 was, arguably, a very solid improvement over the first, and whilst they did change enough of the game to disappoint fans of the original, there should be no denying of the games quality.

This has already been made pretty clear, though it seems a few still do not quite understand. I've expressed my feelings for this game in an above post saying that the only disappointment for me was the lack of polish. Even so I agree with the article that this game really does deserve more respect - as well as recognition - simply because it was a great game.

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___________
Sunday, October 25, 2009 @ 8:41:42 AM
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ive allways said uncharted should either let you have 3 different weapons, or let you drop your pistol.
or even better, BOTH!
i hate it when games force you to have only have one primary weapon your stuck with the pistol.
what if you have a long range and short range battle going on?
like the multiple levels in uncharted 2 where you have snipers shooting you AND 50 guys with shotguns.
its going to be hard to take out the guys with shotguns using a machine gun, and its going to be impossible to take out the snipers with a pistol or shotgun.
you should be allowed to carry a long range and short range weapon at all times.
O and i FINALLY got my uncharted 2 platinum tonight.
MASSIVE sigh of relief, though im extremely disappointed they only added one new co-op arena map by the looks of it.
that was the best part of the beta, i was really looking forward to sinking into some more of those.
i hope they add heaps of them as DLC, even if i have to pay for them i really want more co-op arena maps.

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Jed
Sunday, October 25, 2009 @ 9:07:48 PM
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True true true and more true. I need to get online with R2 again, its been too long. Thanks Ben.

Also, I'm still extremely happy that Resistance:FOM was the first game I bought for the PS3(a day before the PS3 came out)

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javon_27
Monday, October 26, 2009 @ 8:38:17 AM
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I loved the first one, but I could not for the life of me get into the second one. I don't know if it was the difficult sections, or the washed out brown color. I forced my way till I got to the leviathan, but after it was due back at blockbuster, I never rented it again. I might have to force myself to finish it, though, cuz I love the character, and I really need to know what happens. I just wish there was a patch, especially after playing uncharted 2? But really, why was there not a way to kill those shark thingies?! and the darn monsters in the forest... lol, i'm such a wuss, even after playing RE5... um... seriously? my bad. anyways, maybe a second time's a charm.

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to_far_apart
Wednesday, October 28, 2009 @ 10:38:09 AM
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Without a doubt Insomniac should not only get more respect for their online gameplay but also their games. Without a doubt Resistance 1 was great and Resistance 2 even surpassed the first. Talk about amazing backgrounds in the game and the fun in just playing? Unfortunately people don't give half the credit Insomniac deserves. With quality games like the Ratchet and Clank series and Resistance, what's not to love? They always dish out great quality games, and let's not forget their innovation with the online experience...60 players on a map? Last time i looked, i haven't seen any other game do that. I think people are to blind to recognize how much fun that multiplayer is, there to naive also comparing it to a COD or a halo, look, those games changed online, what's wrong with some other big players pushing the boundaries? Nothing wrong with that.

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