Final Fantasy XIII Should've Remained Exclusive

brighat1971
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 9:51:39 PM
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"Dear Xbox 360, thanks for holding the PlayStation 3 back."

Testify, Ben!

Square-Enix only cares about money now, not artistic quality.

Last edited by brighat1971 on 1/15/2010 9:52:36 PM

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:03:08 PM

Unfortunately the all mighty dollar rules supreme. The fact that Xbox 360 has in a sense "bought" this era of gaming has left a sour taste in my mouth. It's not fair for a system(s) or the gaming community in general to suffer because some monopolies have more money then some governments for lack of a better comparison.

I'm not going to be sitting here bashing the Xbox or Microsoft, but the affects the 360 has had on the modern era has been quite staggering and impacting if that. Bad ports, cutting corners, you name it, it really is a disservice to the gaming community in a broad sense. Fortunately there are those few who chose to remain faithful and not willing to jump ship. At least there is some hope there.

There's actually an interesting article written at IGN, which my friend showed me, describing how the Xbox 360 has tampered with the industry and even hints how it has changed and disrupted gaming in this era. It's actually pretty interesting, it's titled something tot he affect of why i bought a PS3, something like that. I'm not generally fond of the site, but i found this article to be pretty interesting.

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:08:16 PM

Frankly, it's already getting annoying to talk about this. Unfortunately, there will be those who will take this article the wrong way all over again, rather than recognizing the fact that it is a point of view, one which i agree with, if i may add.

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:11:16 PM

@ to_far_apart

Completely agree. All we can blame for ruining this generation is good graphics. The amount of money and time spent on these graphics, could have been used to refine gameplays or even make a second game out of it.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We hunger for better visuals, longer gameplay, and cheaper games. It just ain't happening. It's the "better graphics" that lead developers to be vulnerable to Microsoft's checks.

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:14:03 PM

Agreed Godsman.

There can't be anyone else to blame. Society is that, where competition is going to be present everywhere. Can we prevent it? No.

We're just going to have to deal with the affects brought forth by competition.

Last edited by to_far_apart on 1/15/2010 10:14:33 PM

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Madmanonfire
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:28:01 PM

to_far_apart, for pete's sake, learn the difference between "effect" and "affect". Three times you messed it up and three times it burns.

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:33:45 PM

No worries madman, i'm not really the best at grammar. I've always had trouble differentiating between the two. I'm latin so i don't really have the best english around.

You don't have to let it bug you though, it's my writing hahah

But I got my point across, I'm not going to bother editing lol

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:58:08 PM

To_far_apart

Got a link for that article at IGN? I'd be interested in the read.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:20:07 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1059102p1.html

Here u go highlander

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fluffer nutter
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:35:27 PM

I read that article and it made me realize how bad the writers at ign are. Seriously.

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:38:26 PM

@FlufferNutter,

Don't hold back, tell us more.

Talk about it...

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to_far_apart
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:04:34 AM

@Highlander

Here: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1059102p1.html

I didn't think to much of it, i found it interesting because IGN always praises the Xbox so when i read this i though, wow, no Xbox love? hahah

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:59:46 AM

i read that article the other day and when i did i laughed because ign is nothing but a bunch of idiot posers

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brighat1971
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:28:24 AM

I don't know what the job requirements are at IGN but 10 years after Penny Arcade lampooned them in a comic, I'm sure nothing has changed there. Their site has always been a joke.

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:58:20 AM

We are off topic, but i agree.

Squeenix has lost the sense of loyalty to their fans, and has cashed in.

They are sellouts, simple as that.

You can be the most revered, loved, respected company in the business, or the richest?

Seems squeenix has made THEIR decision....

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geovanwitdakick
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 9:55:00 PM
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wow. I can't agree with this article any more. People think that the world of GTA4 was big, but what if that remained PS3 exclusive? What if Modern Warfare 1 & 2 were a Playstation exclusive? Would the power of bluray be enough to ensure the greatness of the multiplayer remains intact, but also have a above average campaign?

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:04:47 PM

Maybe, Maybe not. No one knows what could've been if those games would've been solely produced on the PS3. But it does leave the open ended response..."what could've been?"

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:07:26 PM

GTA4 should've been a huge game, it needed more space than a dual-DVD. The PC version requires 10 gb of installation itself.

FF has always been huge on cutscenes. GTA looks ugly compared with FF cutscenes. There is just a huge amount of space required. I just don't understand why they didn't make it 4 or maybe even 5 DVDs on the Xbox version.

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:11:26 PM

The fact is, we have no idea what these games could've been if they were solely created for the PS3. People don't realize what unique qualities the PS3 brings to the table.

The possibilities are endless.

No ones knows though. I'll just stick with my open ended response of:

"What could've been?"

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jaybiv
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:53:27 AM

True, but how technologically advanced would the PS3 be without Xbox360?

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to_far_apart
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:07:18 AM

Ah, rudimentary my dear Watson. hahaha

No really, good statement. But the technological advancements were already there, so I don't know if it would be proper to say that. I mean Sony had already developed and created an outline of what they wanted.

So I'm not sure it would be valid enough to say that in my opinion.

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napoleon85
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:24:58 AM

@to_far_apart,

Well, I think it's obvious. In my opinion, FFXIII is basically the best looking game ever made so far in terms of graphics. Now, if the game mentioned above fits in ONE blueray disc and THREE dvds, we can conclude that every multyplat game that fits in one dvd, barely fills one third of a blueray disc. Therefore, every multyplat game could be 3 times bigger in a PS3 blueray disc.

My hypothesis could be 100% incorrect but that's what logic leads me to believe.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:13:51 AM

@Jaybiv,

The PS3 would be what it is. The Cell chip was in development for years before the PS3 arrived, as was BluRay, both were decisions made early on for the PS3. The RSX was a relatively late decision, but still came before the 360 arrived.

I don't think that the 360 drove any design decisions with the PS3. Microsoft's success with online gaming probably informed Sony's decision regarding PSN, but Sony had wanted to do networking before, but when the PS2 launched Broadband had not yet reached the majority of consumers and network server infrastructure in general was very expensive.

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Banky A
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:33:45 AM

@napoleon85

It's okay, sounded good to me.

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jaybiv
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:53:07 PM

@highlander. I'm not so sure about that. Competition brings innovation. Competition speeds innovation.

Xbox raised the bar in which Sony's PlayStation brand had to respond. Remember MS released two systems between the PS2 and PS3. Without a motivating factor like the Xbox I doubt Sony would have created a system where they would lose $250 per unit produced.

Heck without MS, we might have seen a PS2-based Wii type of system from Sony.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:07:26 PM

jaybiv:

I understand what you mean. But in my opinion, each respective platform has had their initial plans pretty much set on from the day they started sketching ideas. If you look at each platform individually, you can see what their goal was when developing the systems.

As for competition fueling innovation, i agree with you there, but I think that competition has led to further developing and the addition of certain components, rather then affecting the initial blueprint for each respective platform. Things like Project Natal and Sony's new controller or even PSN (based on Microsoft's success) are things I would categorize under competition inspiring products. Even though we can't speculate that either, who knows how long Sony has been wanting to create a controller like that or how long Project Natal has been under develop.

So I wouldn't necessarily say that. But that's just me.

Last edited by to_far_apart on 1/16/2010 1:12:45 PM

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:47:49 AM

They didnt really have above average campaigns.

Final Fantasy was a Playstation game, always has been, always will be.

The HUGE strides that have been made in the gaming industry for the past 17 years, have ALL been made on A Playstation. And alot of them have been Final Fantasy's!

I look at every new FF game, as the game that will look 10x better than anything ive seen on my current console, it will be the next in a long line of amazing games. But when this went to 360, it was no longer so. Now it is just a cow, being milked till its dry.

The fact that a TON of content (enough for an additional game) had to be removed from the game, and we ALL know why, should be enough to convince ANYONE that moving this to multiplat was the biggest mistake Squeenix could ever have made.

Goodbye squeenix, i HATE you for ruining the FF series, and i swear, if you screw up Kingdom Hearts and go multiplat, bad things will happen to you =]

Most of the best games ever created, are on the Playstation.

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Vagnor
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:23:58 PM

@jaybiv

I think the more interesting question is: What would the Wii be like without Microsoft's inclusion in the console wars?

Sony had to make a powerful system to compete with Microsoft's, and Nintendo just backed down. Without the 360, the PS3 may or may not have been as powerful as it is, but without the regular Xbox or 360, I can almost guarantee you that Nintendo wouldn't be fooling around with a console 4x weaker than the others. Personally, I would rather see Nintendo being the competitor with Sony than Microsoft.

However, if this were the case, would gaming be as popular as it is today? Without Microsoft butting in, Nintendo may not have aimed for the casual gaming market. You have them to thank for the current popularity of video games. Not that I care about the popularity. I'd rather have Sony and Nintendo fight it out with quality games by quality developers than watch Microsoft buy out the developers and make everyone "westernize" their products, even if it means less gaming systems in the average household.

I'm ranting now, so I'll stop.

- Sean Casey

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SerendipityDeus
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:10:58 PM
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Now, if only SE would open their eyes to this truth. I'm still looking forward to this game, but while playing it, I know I'm going to feel like certain areas could've been fleshed out a bit more, and you know what, chances are they were initially more expansive but reduced because of limited space on the 360's disks, tears my heart apart knowing this is the truth we have to face.

Last edited by SerendipityDeus on 1/15/2010 10:12:37 PM

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Cesar_ser_4
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:11:03 PM
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Ok then lets get one for one, 360 gets ff and we get ... uhh... what xbox threefitty title would be good to get on ps3?. Sounds like we just got ourselves a new poll

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:58:00 AM

Lost Odyssey, that is absolutely the ONLY 360 game i would EVER want.

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carl0975
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:04:25 PM

Halo 3, Gears of War 1 and 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, and Mass Effect 1 and 2.

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OtisFeelgood
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:55:31 PM

Lost Odyssey is a great game but I never had a chance to finish it before I sold it. ;\

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carl0975
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 10:10:24 PM

I wonder why I got thumbed down 5x for naming 360 exclusives that would help the ps3's sales if they went multiplat, it's not like I claimed they were better than ps3 exclusives.

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Arvis
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 11:04:59 AM

Yeah, Mass Effect series, for sure.

Lost Odyssey would be nice, too.

-Arvis

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:13:28 PM
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If there weren't an Xbox version to be compared against, I'm sure Square Enix would be able to slide with the cut out contents.

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Riku994
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:19:57 PM
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*Starts slow clap*

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:24:41 PM

*Joins in*

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:31:36 PM

Not another teen movie comes into mind. lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:24:29 PM
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This truly is the tipping point: If the Dreamcast had been the more popular choice over the PS2, the GDROM format would have held the PS2's games back because they would not want EVERY game to use multiple discs, but multiplat devs would have been forced by the public to make everything pretty much under 1gig. It didn't happen that way, PS2 owned and xbox just came late.

Now the inferior DVD9 format and not-so-cutting edge 360 REALLY IS holding the industry back. FFXIII being PS3 exclusive was massive when it was announced. It meant possibilities, now all we are left talking about are limits. Gaming could be ahead of where it is, and FFXIII could have been a truly groundbreaking experience this gen. But because of all this, and what I've been reading, I think it will merely be a great experience. Everyone will be left thinking "Wow that was awesome, but it really could have been so much MORE"

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:27:57 PM

Exactly, it's sad that a single platform is not only holding a system back, but gaming in general. It really is a disservice to the gaming community. I can't even imagine the potential of a game like FFXIII solely on the PS3, any game for that matter.

The industry should be thinking about progress, but sadly we're progressing at this turtle pace and it's not fair. We all know that the industry is evolving and changing. But instead of asking, how close are we? We're asking ourselves, when is it coming?

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:49:16 PM

It's not just The choice of DVD, it's the focus on 'Westernizing' their games. I think the death of Final Fantasy (otherwise known as making FFXIII multi-platform for the 360) is not just Microsoft and the 360's fault. Square Enix didn't so much drop the ball as throw it to the ground and turn away.

Last edited by TheHighlander on 1/15/2010 10:53:35 PM

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ffrevenge
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:55:37 PM

Would've been just as bad if they put GTA4 on the Wii. That would've seriously screwed up the entire game industry.

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to_far_apart
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:13:22 AM

Highlander:

You have a valid point, you can't only blame Microsoft and the 360, but you have to include the Developers into the mix. Ultimately it was Square Enix choice to make FF multi platform. In a general sense it's up to the developer to decide whether or now to make a game available for all platforms. I just feel that Microsoft also adds a sense of pressure in the sense of seeking those titles and so on. Unfortunately, the experience on the PS3 maybe cut, if you will.

But you're right, I agree with your point.

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KilloWertz
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:19:17 PM

You do have a point Highlander, but at the same time, it is your own fault for thinking that in the first place. Why not just enjoy it for what it is if it is still a great game? There's nothing that can be done, so I think this whole topic itself is really getting out of hand. It's amazing how people turned against this game after it was said that content was cut out. Just my opinion though.

Last edited by KilloWertz on 1/16/2010 5:21:27 PM

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:59:29 PM

@KilloWertz
You wrote : "it is your own fault for thinking that in the first place. Why not just enjoy it for what it is if it is still a great game?"

It's a Final Fantasy game, it's THE Final Fantasy game for this generation of consoles.

What do you think I expect from the game? And what does it actually deliver? The two are poles apart.

The problem here is that Final Fantasy games are almost genre defining JRPGs, and yet this game - based on reviews I am reading - is not a JRPG, I'm not sure it even qualifies as an RPG.

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 10:47:39 AM

3 DVD9 discs equal to about 25.5 Gigs, then since it's gonna need something to let you know to switch the disc, take about 1GB off of each disc. Not even 1 single layer Bluray disc is left after you put everything together. So about the highest the real game can go on the 360 was about 22GBs to work with. The PS3 usually uses double layer Bluray discs. Hell, they probably barley tip the 2layer mark since it's gonna have the uncompressed audio and visuals still. I once argued with an XBox fanboy about how the disc size really does matter in a game, but he kept saying 'It's the processor that makes the graphics!' I couldn't but reply to him 'That's fine, but the Processor can only do whatever is given to it, and the 360 can't give it shit.'

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komotaya
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:29:10 PM
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damn 360. always tryin to cut in and mess up our fun time at least we have verses

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:34:46 PM

...for now.

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to_far_apart
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:38:19 PM

Dun Dun Dunnnn.

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ffrevenge
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:54:13 PM

That game is years away. FF13 marketing, FF14 and spinoffs are top priority compared to Versus 13

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:48:37 PM
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Well, based on the review I read in Wired (not that I normally put much stock in Wired as a source, but every now and again....), based on that review I'm gonna go ahead and say that this game is not a Final Fantasy game as we know it.

[Edit :I'm adding a link for the review/preview at Wired. Read it and weep folks...]

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/12/final-fantasy-xiii-preview-2/

The main point of the review I read was about the linear structure of the game as in straight as a laser linear. They described a game (and they've played about half way through so far) where there are no side quests, a game organized into 'chapters' that take perhaps a couple of hours a piece. it was described as if you basically run a gauntlet of battles with some cut scenes, get to the end of the chapter and move on. Rinse and repeat...

The combat system sounded similarly unimpressive, having become little more than mindless button mashing. Little to no exploring, side quests or NPCs to talk to.

Actually, I really do not want to play it at all now. And the review someone mentioned that gave it 4/10 might not be too far from the mark if you review this game as a Final Fantasy RPG and find that in fact it's an on the rails linear action adventure game dressed up as a Final Fantasy movie with combat no more sophisticated than pressing 'X' over and over, and over again.

Bleh!

Is this what happens when a game is designed for a more western audience? Is this what happens when game content that could have made it a game is removed?

If the wired review is even 80% correct, I don't think I would actually recognize FFXIII as a Final Fantasy game, nor even a JRPG.

Last edited by TheHighlander on 1/15/2010 10:51:52 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:21:56 PM

Side quests=stuff cut out to make it "fit"

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:53:42 PM

You mean it's somewhat like Resident Evil 5 right?

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:55:33 AM

no capcom was just being a duche by making you pay for multiplayer,lol. I mean what the hell was up with that. They say they're charging for it because it wasnt really part of their game.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:27:25 PM

Here's another take on it, I believe that the link will make it clear just what the reviewer felt.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/09/final-fantasy-xiii-biggest-swindle-in-gaming-history/

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Arvis
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 11:13:41 AM

Highlander,

That link is COMPLETELY NSFW. Give us a warning next time.

-Arvis

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pillz81
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:30:38 PM

Definitely NSFW. Shoulda put a disclaimer.

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ffrevenge
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 10:53:20 PM
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LOL
Dear Imperialists Swines (AKA Microsoft)

Are you nuts? Ruining a potentially awesome game just for profit?

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Oxvial
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:01:58 PM
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with those later declarations of sacrificing the towns I'm not going to buy this game until it gets 29.99 .

Yakuza 3 and GoW 3 CE gonna be for that month.

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:55:28 PM

I'm probably going to do the same. I will wait for the review to make my decision.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:27:14 PM
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F*ck it, I'm still getting it. I usually play FF in a linear way anyway, though I will miss towns and sidequests, if the story is good enough I'll be fine. If they killed it, then they killed it, we will find a way to carry on.

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:31:18 PM

The inability to go back for things I missed on the first encounter and to explore the map is a game breaker for me. Those are things I think are 'core' features in an RPG, especially a JRPG. Since FFXIII apparently does away with all of that, I don't think I can be bothered to play it.

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oldmike
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:50:06 PM

if the story is good then i can live with it
there are sooo many good games out i will need time to get the backlog done

PS the sad thing is i dont think MS will ever make a blu-ray system

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:53:07 PM

@OldMike,

The sad thing is that BluRay is about as proprietary as DVD ever was, and yet Microsoft has painted itself into a corner over it.

There's no reason they couldn't release a BluRay compatible system, it would cost them no more than it would cost any other BluRay player maker, and it would retain backwards compatibility with all their DVD based software. But you're right, they won't and it is sad.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:05:46 AM

Well, they DO say you can't backtrack, but aren't specific enough, obviously you can't backtrack after a chapter is over, but maybe you can run back to previous maps in the same chapter ya know?

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:27:21 AM

Same...

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:57:09 AM

I'll get to this game after i finish with white knight chronicles.

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www
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:17:57 AM

Worldends am with you, though it'd be cool to have everything intact and nothing cut out, I also usually don't do side quests, am always focusing on the main quest.

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piratedrunk
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:00:06 PM

agreed world I'm definitely still getting it. I think that in spite of what it could have been it will still be a quality game I want to play.

Hopefully square-enix see the damage this has done to their reputation and do their best to make it right in the years to come.

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shadowpal2
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:43:17 PM
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...I'll get it. Just don't think I am going to be satisfied with it considering I just GOT HALF-ASSED!!!!

Final Fantasy Versus XIII is going to be the Final Fantasy for me. I knew it...I always knew it. Let's just hope Nomura sama stays on track and keeps it exclusive and doesn't succumb to the pathetic "PRESIDENT."

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:58:21 AM

ahh, wada. The george bush of gaming,lol.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:58:17 PM

Actually he's more in line with Obama. Tearing down everything that made their company great.

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:54:17 AM

it was more in the line of the president being an idiot and still being the head in their respective profession.

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pillz81
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:35:56 PM

Jawknee, your post is starting to give me a bad reaction. My knee is starting to jerk, but I've got it controlled for now.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 5:52:22 PM

Seriously, Jawk, what has Obama actually done (good or bad)? Nothing. And THAT'S the problem.

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o_ci2007
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:48:37 PM
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the problem is ps3 owners spend time boasting about how great the ps3 is and the xbox is rubbish . if they bothered to actually buy games then ps3 exclusives will remain exclusives. no game producer is going to ignore the fact that gta iv sold 1.5 million more on the xbox excluding the dlc, mw2 sold 2.5 million more on the xbox.

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TheHighlander
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:51:21 PM

GTA4 selling more had nothing to do with the numerical superiority of Xbox360s in the US vs PS3s in the US at the time of release, right?

Sales of MW2 a hardcore multi-player shooter are better on the video game console most commonly associated with hardcore shooter players? Shocking.

Really, you need to try harder, and THINK before posting.

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oldmike
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:59:00 PM

the fact GTA ONLY sold 1.5 mill more shows we do buy games at that time 360 had what a 15 mill more systems out?
As for MW2 its a FPS and the 360 is home to many FPS sheep who hop form FPS to FPS
me i dont like PVP i like fun and a good story thats why i love the PS3 we get games that are about story and less about the online fragfest

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:06:15 AM

yeah, sorry the ps3 had a bunch of other amazing games that was worth checking out. Too bad i like the variety that the playstation brand offers. But on 360, look halo, wow modern warfare, gears of war, another halo, modern warfare 2. they have 3 franchises that actually sell and all of them are shooters. other than gears of war, none of these are even close to the quality of playstation exclusive games. Yeah they sell alot, but what else would you choose from. I know they have fable too but these are the ones that are really popular.
I laugh at idiots whos excuse for buying a shooting game for 360 is that the 360 controller "feels" better. also that notion that the ps3 is usually for single player and 360 for multiplayer, doesnt really hold much weight now. I mean how can you expect to have a good multiplayer experience on the ps3 if you only play single player games on it. the psn community is pretty big too, only more mature.

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cLoudou
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:54:13 PM
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Watch, the deleted content come back as DLC.
and guess what ? MS exclusive. lol

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godsman
Friday, January 15, 2010 @ 11:57:29 PM

As impossible as that may sound, that's probably true.

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Banky A
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:38:32 AM

Amazingly probably true... crap.

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:07:34 AM

ps3 probably has it on the disc, we just gotta "BUY" the unlock code so that 360 fanboys dont feel like they got ripped off.

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o_ci2007
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:01:45 AM
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@thehighlander
its that numerical supremacy that game developers are interested in as it means they have a larger potential market. the fact is the ps3 is more expensive and harder to develop for and sells less games compared to other consoles. It was a no brainer for the developers of gta, ff and now even mgs to jump onto the microsoft band wagon.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:49:25 AM

1. The PS3 has sold better outside the US than the 360. Even in the US, the PS3 has been closing the gap? What numerical superiority?

2. PS3 is not more expensive to develop for.
3. PS3 is not harder to develop for.

Do not confuse different for difficult - or expensive.

What made it a "no brainer" for Rockstar, Square Enix, Namco, Capcom and others was the swollen coffers of Microsoft's slush fund used to purchase exclusivity, or times exclusivity or to bring an otherwise exclusive game to the 360. Those decisions were not made because of a potentially larger market, they were made because of the business potential of easy money.

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o_ci2007
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:14:38 AM
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mgs 4 was released in 2008 before the price cuts and with a lot smaller customer base as available now and it managed to sell 4.5 million. In contrast halo 3 was released in 2007 and sold 5 million in 2 weeks and back then there was as much xboxes as there are ps3 now. point is go out and buy games.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 23, 2010 @ 5:57:48 PM

Yes, but aside from Halo 3, every other 360 exclusive has sold to roughly the same percentage of 360 owners as the same-ranking PS3 exclusive has sold to PS3 owners.

The idea that PS3 owners don't buy exclusives (or games in general) is simply bull ****.

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Masry_XI
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:29:05 AM
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Final fantasy XIII was one of the main reasons why i bought a ps3 in the first place . if it gets less than a 10 out of 10 in all reviews i cant acknowledge it , and yea am gonna blame the 360 if this game gets messed up.

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BlackBriar
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:33:06 AM
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What I fear! I know it's going to happen! Is the Xbox360 version will be superior compared to PS3 version. Mark my words
Damn You Square-Enix

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:18:56 PM

if that happens SE will be overrun by the FF faithfuls in something like a coup d'etat.

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Temjin001
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:42:41 AM
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I have a few interesting bits of info worth considering. A Japanese gaming site has revealed FFXIII’s data allocation on the Blu-ray disc. Approximately 5.5GB-6.8GB’s of data is allocated to game data assets, and about 32GB’s of data is allocated to the pre-rendered video content. ( http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpocketnews.cocolog-nifty.com%2Fpkns%2F2009%2F12%2Ffinal-fantasy-x.html ). I find this curious. Some of you may know already, but the 360’s DVD-9 format actually holds 6.8GB’s of useable game data, as the remainder of the DVD disc is reserved for MS’s copy protection content. This knowledge was first made known to me when viewing an interview with game designer John Carmack. It was during the Rage game uproar about truncating game data to accommodate 360’s lesser capacity. Through this video I also learned that MS charges disc royalties for every additional disc a publisher chooses to utilize per game. Basically, a 4-disc game would mean exorbitant fees paid out to MS. So games of this scale are extremely unlikely. And more to my point. I wouldn’t be surprised if SquareEnix sat down and resolved that they have a 3-disc limit to work within for 360 to ensure profitability. Thus, I wouldn’t be surprised if they resolved that about one discs worth of game assets would be allocated from the 20.4GB’s of total available data they have to work within. Whereas, the remainder of volume would determine the level of compression the FMV would undergo. I know I’m making a big assumption. But it makes me wonder nonetheless. And I, too, would’ve felt better knowing that no concessions were made to accommodate storage limitations on 360’s behalf.

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xnonsuchx
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 8:23:08 PM

Yeah, I remember John Carmack talking about per-disc royalties on 360 titles, saying they might have to do lower quality textures/etc. for the 360 versions of games if M$ didn't fix the royalty structure. At least id doesn't seem to be considering making a lesser PS3 version just to make it match a 360 version!

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:51:38 AM
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I know this is a very long stretch, but I just hope that SE reads all the feedback on the 'net, realise what they have done, and include all the deleted content before the western release (for the PS3. The Xflop 3-fixme doesn't deserve the content, lol it can't even handle it). For Japanese gamers they could do an 'exchange' program, i.e., exchange the current copy of FFXIII for the new one when it comes out, free of charge.

Last edited by WolfCrimson on 1/16/2010 12:52:35 AM

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:56:58 AM

Exchange their copy of Faux Fantasy XIII for a real copy of Final Fantasy XIII? That could be a winning solution.... ;)

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:32:01 AM

I think Squeenix owes it to the Japanese gamers they severely disappointed. They are FF's biggest fans, after all.

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Qwarktast1c
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:16:24 PM

The mindset in this article, which is how i have felt about this whole thing since it went multiplat, needs to spread like wildfire

That wildfire is called common sense, because it is just STUPID to put FF on the xbox

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jaybiv
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:56:42 AM
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I feel your pain B Dukat. MS has really changed the industry and marketplace solely using Billy's wallet. They did not invent this strategy though. It happens everyday in the business world. Some people/companies prefer to buy their way in.

Alas, I think the anger is somewhat misguided. Ultimately the blame should fall on the devs and publishers taking the dirty money, but then can you blame them for taking a shot at a larger pool of potential buyers? Isn't that why they are in business--to maximize profits??

Now, there are companies that are happy with their business position and would rather provide a top-flight experience than water it down and "sell out". And we see SE is of the latter.

What you are going through B, is the same thing a child goes through when they find out Superman isn't real, Santa doesn't exist and their parents are the Tooth Fairy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:06:18 AM

Who is this B Dukat you speak of?

And did you actually read the article? Doesn't sound like you did at all.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 1/16/2010 1:07:37 AM

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:14:28 AM

Sounds like a super-spy's name. Like Bond.

"My name is Dukat. Ben Dukat."

Evil villain: "Why, Mr. Dukat, I've been expecting you" *strokes cat*

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:26:40 AM

Every time I see this I am reminded of Gul Dukat in Star Trek Deep Space Nine - but then I'm a self confessed Trekkie, so I know these things.

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sunspider13
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 1:34:41 AM

@Highlander

So I and (fan of ST) and while reading your comment I nearly choked on the water i was drinking, lol.

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King James
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:59:52 AM
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Wow, thanks Ben! I'm glad some1 said it. I think I was in the same boat as you. When S-E 1st made the announcement, I was like "Eh, more $$$ for the FF franchise. Good move, S-E." I couldn't wait to see a fresh copy of FF13 in those avid xbots' hands, looking like walking contradictions.

But then as time progressed and S-E started showing gameplay, it looked great but I felt like something was missing. Or like it wasn't a dramatic step forward, like FF10 was for last gen.

Then S-E started reneging on their statements:
-FF13 will be completed on the PS3 1st, then ported to the 360. But 6 months ago, they said things like the PS3 version is 90% complete and the 360 version is halfway done. WTF?
-No we're not making a SO4 for the PS3...*sigh*

I think I was in denial. I always knew that making FF13 multiplat would hold back the franchise. Games of that stature need to be optimized for the superior console, ALWAYS. But I told myself, worse case scenario, the Xbox360 version would be dumbed down and the PS3 version would obviously be the REAL FF13. Guess I was fooling myself. Why would M$ allow that? They can't throw so much $$$ at S-E.

Hell, I still think Versus is goin multiplat.

Oh well, I'm still buying FF13. And I'll have my fingers crossed that it lives up to my expectations.

BTW Ben, check out this editorial from a IGN Xbox writer: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1059102p1.html
He feels the same way you do.

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:14:26 AM

umm, microsoft can throw their big o bag o money around, thats what they were doing all along. They probably paid square enix a lot of money to make the game equal to the ps3. By equal, i mean lower the quality to play in their 360 without red ringing at the title screen, let alone showing the square enix logo.

Last edited by johnld on 1/16/2010 5:14:52 AM

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daus26
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:01:14 AM
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I'm sure all of us had this feeling as soon as the news at E3 got announced. I mean as soon as it happened, the internet literally explode. You guys remember that right? I think a PSX article about the news had hundreds of comments on it.

Also, what's as (or more) irritating about this, is the 360 enthusiasts not realizing it, or denying it. The sad truth is the 360's hardware technology (not features cause I guess Live is great) is holding back the PS3. I mean c'mon, how can you not see that?

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King James
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:02:25 AM
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Who will save the JRPG franchise now?!

We need a White Knight!

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:10:46 AM

A White Knight with some Chronicles?

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:20:21 AM

@Highlander: What does that even MEAN?

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:25:46 AM

Who can save JRPGs now?

White Knight Chronicles....

King James asked for a White Knight, and one is on it's way in February in the form of White Knight Chronicles.

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:29:12 AM

lol no, I know what King James meant, I'm looking forward to WKC more than FFXIII too, I meant your sentence: "A White Knight with some Chronicles?" It doesn't make sense.

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daus26
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:34:51 AM

So basically Level 5 then.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:46:42 AM

Makes perfect sense to me Highlander.

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:46:45 AM

*sigh* I meant it as a joke, guys, don't take me too seriously.

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dzabava
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:32:37 AM
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Ill be really angry if this is true, first they change the awesome soundrack like kimi ga irukara for that crappy le ano lewis wich sounds awful. I downloaded the trailer at the store and even the voice work on english sounds better in the previous trailers.
Now if the game was cut due to the 360 and its prehistoric dvd ill ill ill have to play the goddam game any way and hope its great, thanks mom (yeah mom. god doesnt exist) i have a ps3, so at least i wont have to change discs or have lower audio or video quality.
Letting ffxiii aside, armored core should have stayed as a ps exclusive too, i hate when 360 new comers to the series say they are better when they suck, i´ve seen their vids, they dont even know how to shoot or blade.

So if ff did got cut, let hope for an expansion or some (at low price) even if it was said ffxiii would not have dlc.

What's next, making inferior ps3 games so they can be played on a wii?

Last edited by dzabava on 1/16/2010 1:34:01 AM

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:42:53 AM
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I say we go to Sqaure Enix HQ with rifles

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:59:06 AM

and shotguns, your never suppose to forget shotguns.

Last edited by SnipeySnake on 1/16/2010 1:59:26 AM

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:15:05 AM

Dude, your avatar qualifies you for this.

Godwin!

Sorry, it had to be done.

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Banky A
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:37:00 AM

And we come out with blood.

... or Exp, whatevs'..

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:25:53 AM
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Ben,

You finished the article with...

<<An open letter might read, "Dear Microsoft, thanks for wrecking FF." Perhaps that's a bit too drastic but at the same time, I might formulate another, maybe more accurate, letter-

"Dear Xbox 360, thanks for holding the PlayStation 3 back.">>

How about:

Dear Microsoft,
Thanks to you and your child, Xbox360, for holding back the entire gaming industry. Your slush fund dollars and campaigns of false Fear Uncertainty and Doubt have distorted the function of the video game market. You are an anti-competitive force that has been proven in court to engage in tactics that do not engender competition, but in fact destroy competition. You are bad for the consumer, and bad for the business. A pox on you and all your descendants.

Yours sincerely...

P.S. Did I mention that Microsoft is an anti-consumer bully?

Of course as always, this is all my opinion...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:27:23 AM

HA. Might get in trouble for that one. :)

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Banky A
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:34:13 AM
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Yeah, thanks Microsoft, so.. so much.

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booze925
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:39:58 AM
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why is my account not banned anymore?

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SvenMD
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:44:25 PM

I don't know, but we'll see if Ben can fix that for you ;)

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Edito
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:54:39 AM
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Lets just forget Square Enix there are other devs capable of deliver good things like level 5 lets help them grow Square only cares about money...

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Snaaaake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:07:03 AM
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Yep, the JRPG that inspired me to play JRPG is never gonna be the same with Wada and Microsoft in the gaming industry.

I feel mad you know, developers take us gamers as idiots by giving some bullsh*t explanation on why something was cut from the original game but the truth is it's DVD's limit.

Not to mention there's no superior PS3 multiplats this generation despite having the advantage of Blu Ray.

Remembering the 6th gen, a handful of multiplats were obviously better on the Xbox.

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jaynet333
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:16:41 AM

Perhaps it is because the superior games that were only done on the PS3 couldn't be ported, or simply weren't ported, to the xbox360. So we really can't see how bad they might have looked on the lesser platform. MGS4 comes to mind, mainly because Konami already makes games for multiple platforms.

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SEisDeadToMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:55:06 AM
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well I agree with all that has been said, however not one mentioned the other problem, and that is that japanese developers like SE and Capcom are trying to "get into the western market". This is a bad idea. I expect japanese games from japanese developers. SE is trying especially hard
1. Make JRPGs exclusive to xbox
2. Do not give PS exclusive titles
3. use an american song as there game's theme
4. Stop making rpgs (NIRE)
5. (this one is a rummer) the FF team will stop making rpgs

and why is the west important to them? Money, at least that is what they think. I think they are wrong. The "american system" the xbox has become notorious for not selling JRPGs. At least there are sill some developer (level 5, Atlas, nippon ichi software) that remember that JRPGs are for japan and Playstation, and that is how it should stay.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:18:00 AM

All your point are valid.

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Victor321
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:21:45 AM
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That's why we have Final Fantasy Versus 13 on our side ;)

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Snaaaake
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:30:41 AM

And we're all prepared for it to go multiplatform.

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johnld
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:22:36 AM

then we'll all start to look forward to playing white knight chronicles 2. Square enix tanks and forced to remake VII VIII and IX. The only question left is if they learned their lesson from making XIII and VSXIII exclusive and keep the remakes all ps3 exclusive. Ahh, Square Enix tanking, a man can dream right. I wouldnt have considered this before but from what they're doing to the series, i could care less about them now. Hope Sony buys them and get rid of wada so they can do what they do best.

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o_ci2007
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:04:33 AM
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@thehighlander

http://news.cnet.com/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for-on-purpose/
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/02/03/ea-claims-ps3-harder-to-develop-for-than-xbox-360/
http://www.psu.com/Sony-purposefully-made-the-PS3-hard-to-develop-for--a0006194-p0.php
http://videogamesrepublic.com/?p=4583

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:04:15 PM

it takes hard work and great dedication to achieve greatness. These lazy devs need to stop whining. Sony brought them new tech to do new things. Whats wrong with that? Sonys trying to move this gen forward just as they have in the past.

MS dumbed down a PC and slapped Xbox on it. Its a regression. MS is hurting the industry more then they are helping.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:07:22 PM

Dude, I am a software developer. I don't develop games, but I have developed software for the best part of 25 years. I am telling you now that "it's too hard" isn't a valid excuse because all that means is "I don't understand it yet."

If a developer is too lazy to invest the time to learn the platform that does not make it difficult to work with it makes the developer too lazy to learn. End of story.

And I read all of those articles when they were published. You know what they were saying?

Here's the gist that I as a software engineer heard. "We had a choice between making a system with mediocre performance but had a simple architecture, or a high performance system with a more complex architecture. We chose the high performance option which is more complex but offers more performance for the developer to use." Just as they did with the PS2.

You know, you are bringing up all the same points and arguments that Xbox fans brought up three years ago. They were invalid then, and they are invalid now. When you have something new to say, something that hasn't already been debated into the ground, try again, in the meantime leave yesterdays arguments to yesterday. You lost them then, why lose hem again now?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:01:48 PM

BOOM!

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SympoziumPawa
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:29:48 PM

Huh?! the articles are old, times have changed devs just needed to learn the architecture of the Playstation 3 some that didn't were hated on for being lazy!!

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www
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:24:19 AM
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What if my GTAIV coulda been bigger than SA?
What if my Tekken 6 woulda been bigger?
In fact what if all other games coulda been bigger if PS3 was the ONLY console or 360 supported blu-ray?

Could this generation have been bigger?

MS have shat all over this gen.

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Sol
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:16:39 AM
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For a time now I felt the same from a business standpoint but now I totally agree with you.

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karneli lll
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:56:33 AM
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The sad thing about all this is that if FF XIII does not sell well on the PS-3 then FF Versus XIII will go multiplatform to 'cover costs'.

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Hestar
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:34:39 AM

Versus won't go multiplatform as Nomura loves the ps3 and FF13 WILL sell atleast 5 million worldwide.

edit: ahh,I just read you said sell on the ps3.Nah,the ps3 version will out sell the 360 version easily,but as I said I see both versions selling atleast 5 mill combined.

Last edited by Hestar on 1/16/2010 7:37:50 AM

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Hestar
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:24:41 AM
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lmao,this was a good joke.Yeah the 360 held FF back even thought the game was made on the ps3 FIRST..

Ohhh,but they took stuff out cause of the 360 though!..Please,every game takes crap out and I almost guarantee you some of that stuff was cut out to become DLC..why?..more $$$.

So stop bashing the 360.It has not held any games back this gen and if you think it has, keep lying to yourself.

P.S for a game that "M$" ruined,people in japan voted it the #2 game of 2009..Yeah!, thanks M$ for ruining the FF series!.Please GTFO,some people and their fan-boyishness.

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/2010/01/16/final-fantasy-xiii-voted-2nd-best-game-of-2009.html

Last edited by Hestar on 1/16/2010 7:29:43 AM

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www
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:04:32 AM

"Ohhh,but they took stuff out cause of the 360 though!..Please,every game takes crap out and I almost guarantee you some of that stuff was cut out to become DLC..why?..more $$$."

And dont you think they TOOK IT OUT to make it DLC cause it couldn't fit on the darn DVD in the first place.....and like you said 'more $$$' is a motivation enough to make them take out stuff if it CANT fit on 360's disc.

How many times have we heard DLCs being part of the original game and taken out for no reason, yea 'more $$$' I know, but I bet you the DVDs also account for that. ACII is an example.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:59:52 AM

of course its held gaming back and its given developers a reason to half ass their games and gut them of content so they can sell it back to us later. Its bs and you know it. Stop defending the indefensible.

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:05:17 AM

since when did a final fantasy have stuff taken out of it out of "game volume" concerns? Final fantasy games are typically large games. Great story and graphics are what i like about the franchise. They even have parts on the game that may or may not affect the plot, they're called sidequests. If they took out lightning's home, then all i see is that a few optional sidequests just went away too. I dont think they took out these things for future dlc. The thing i liked about buying a final fantasy game is that i get the full game when i bought it. I'll play it straight to the finish but if they come out with dlc of new sidequests then i'll pass on that. I got other games to play.

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 11:19:17 AM

"of course its held gaming back and its given developers a reason to half ass their games and gut them of content so they can sell it back to us later. Its bs and you know it. Stop defending the indefensible."

Blame the developers, then, for half assing their games, etc. It's their decision to not make the PS3 game that uses the console's full potential, not MS'.

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Jawknee
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 12:05:04 PM

Of cours MS shares blame. They've given these devs a reason to half ass everything.

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lightel0s
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:12:58 AM
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why so much hate for FFXIII being on 360?

sorry guys, but as a 360 fan, i cant understand the point.

The autor of this article claims that FF developers say that they have enough content to do another FFXIII game, in my opinion that content dint make it in the final game because was not good or make the game extremely long or another whatever reason, not because the 360 version have a DVD drive, thats pretty absurd :S

its like the people arging because have to swap discs every 10 ours, god....

this game as been maded as multiplatform title since 2 years at least (i know it started as exclusive ps3 title) so sacrifices are ok to exist in the game in benefit of players

plz stop the ffXIII thing, enjoy the game and forget our console ;) we are having great time as u guys.

we all know that FFXIII will sell better in the Ps3, and this is the only FF that will hit our console in a long time.

u guys still have FF XIII VS, FF14, and maybe 2 more this generation.

for now leave our loved 360 controler in peace and our love for Halo and GOW as well xD

love ya dudes.

Last edited by lightel0s on 1/16/2010 8:14:32 AM

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gumbi
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:48:14 AM

You can't really blame us for all feeling a bit slighted here. I mean, for a lot of Playstation fans the Final Fantasy series has been like the golden egg, OUR franchise that always pushes the boundaries of technology and style. But as a multiplat release, it simply cannot push the boundaries of technology... it just can't, and we're sore about it.

Oh, and by the way. GOW is and always will be God Of War to me... it came first, the acronym belongs to Kratos's adventure. nuff said.

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karneli lll
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:48:07 PM

How would you feel if MS announced Halo reach for the wii as well and then you watch as the graphics move from 'superb' to 'it still looks good',development time gets doubled and to dump the salt in they say they had to cut a lot of stuff from the final product?

Of course i have beef with the 360.Anything that stagnates progress should be hated on appropiately.

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kokoro
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:25:25 PM

grammar much

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:49:11 PM

Dude, you TYPE like a 360 fan.

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:11:37 AM

content from the game is taken out because its going to be too long? have you even played final fantasy before? And its not hate about the 360 getting final fantasy, its about content taken out because they have to release it on the 360. You can keep that halo game, i dont care. However, final fantasy fans have a certain expectation when it come to these games. They are known to be cutting edge and have great stories. But all this new about removing game content due to the dumbass excuse of "game volume" concerns is just a slap in the face to the fans. I know square enix will give you the amount of hours you would need to beat the game but if you're a fan, chances are that you would spend 2 to even 3 times as much hours on the game trying to get everything. So giving us the excuse that the game would be too long is just a way to hide the fact that they are being limited by the 360, and we dont buy it.

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 11:21:13 AM

"Dude, you TYPE like a 360 fan. "

Dude, I've seen some ardent PS3 fans on this site have some lousy typing skills, too.

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 11:28:25 AM

lightel0s,

I, too, am a 360 fan. I've had years of fun and good times on my Xbox. However, I understand PS3 owners' frustrations. On a technical level, the PS3 is the superior machine. From the medium to the processor, the PS3 has more power.

The FF series has, for years now, had its home on the PS consoles and many rejoiced because this series would be able to be on the latest gen, taking advantage of some seriously powerful equipment. With it being on the 360 now, some of the is going to be lost because of the way they're developing the game.

Since they want both versions to be have similar content, some of the content has to be stripped out. The visuals will probably suffer to in order to keep the two similar. The PS3 version will be less than what it could be due to it being on the 360.

Their concerns are real, in my humble opinion. Some games should remain exclusive and I think this one should've, too.

Last edited by SirLoin of Beef on 1/17/2010 11:28:59 AM

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:23:00 AM
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Ooh, this is quite a convenient time to make this article as yesterday I randomly ended up finding this:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/18/final-fantasy-xiii-as-linear-as-a-piece-of-string/

Then this: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/20/why-final-fantasy-xiii-is-a-bad-game/

And of course followed up by this: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/24/fans-disgusted-by-final-fantasy-xiii/

Oh, snap.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:10:49 PM

LOL! Nice series of articles there. I've been wondering how to find out what Japanese gamers really felt about FFXII, it sold so quickly that I doubt word of mouth would have been fast enough to blunt sales even if there had been a near universal cry of disgust. Time for some reading.

I think this one might be the best of the lot. And it includes the infamous 4/10 review from Hong Kong.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/01/09/final-fantasy-xiii-biggest-swindle-in-gaming-history/

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Hestar
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:27:53 PM

@www you do know they coulda just added another disc or 2?..I mean,It's not like a FF game hasn't been on 4 discs before or anything.

@Jawknee lol are you serious??.How has it held gaming back?.Because it doesn't have "the cell"?.Please,I'm not even gonna bother with you after that comment

@gumbi what do you mean you can't really blame us playstation fans?..I've bought every playstation that's ever came out and I've grew up watching my cousin playing FF1 on the nes and ff6 on the snes.FF is my all-time fav series.

I mean,I know this is a playstation website but g'damn,the 360 hate and blame is really ridiculous.Guess some people are die hard fanboys and can't just play games and enjoy them if they're multiplat.

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Hestar
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:37:24 PM

Yeah,a site that shows naked jpop girls and hentai is really a great site to review games as well.Man,some of you people are just looking for anything bashing 13 to blame it on microsoft.SEE SEEE THIS ONE SITE HATES THE GAME.But what about people in japan voting it the 2nd best game in 2009?.."WHAT??? #$#*$# "M$" IF IT WERE ONLY PS3 STILL IT WULD HAVE BEEN #1..ARHGHHHH,W/E,VERSUS LOOKS BETTUR AND IF IT GOES MULTIPLAT IM DONE WITH TRAITOR ENIX..I MEAN THEY OWE SONY SO MUCH FOR MAKING FF1 ONE POPULAR.WHAT DO YOU MEAN NINTENDO USED TO HAVE FINAL FANTASY?.

Guarantee you almost everyone here who plays 13 will love it.But ohh well,You fanboys enjoy bashing square and microsoft.My point has been said.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:04:32 PM

@Hestar,

You could always ignore the other content on the site (as I did) and click through to the original links, or use google to find other takes on the same source material. I don't think they even reviewed the game themselves, they're just linking to other sources.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:02:21 PM

Hester, read my comments again. I never said any such thing. There's no doubt about it though. The PS3 is a superior piece of hardware. Software made to work on both the ps3 and the xbox can only be as good as the weakest link.

The Xbox!!!

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:24:31 PM

"“The game just repeats movies and dungeons over and over, there’s no variation at all. There are quests in the second half, but getting that far takes far too long. If you don’t enjoy the story getting that far is troubling."

hey Highlander, how much that when you get to the "second half" with quests, that will be the end of Disc one for the Xbox.

=P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:54:32 PM

Hestar the only fanboy I see here is you. CAPS much?

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sunspider13
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 1:45:00 AM

@Hestar

yawn...

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:17:57 AM

@hestar
As a few other comments said as well as rage developers, microsoft charges a higher fee when you exceed a certain amount of discs for their games. Which means that in order to avoid these fees, they would need to cram the entire game onto less discs. Since the dvd space is the limiting factor in here, bluray hold tons more space for the game, game content have to be equal.

If only 9/10 of the game can fit in the dvds, as a multiplatform game they would only put that 9/10 of the game into the bluray disc. Or should i say that they're only putting our 1/2 the game content due to the 360 because apparently they can make another game with the stuff they cut out.

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LividFiction
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:15:51 PM

@sunspider:

KHAAAAN!

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pillz81
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:58:37 PM

Hestar, Hestar, Hestar. Looks like you are fit to own a 360 since you only look at the outer appearance only and don't think about...well, anything. If you had bothered to read the article on Sankaku and the other articles you would find insightful articles.
You stinketty, stink, stink, stink. And you stink.

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Robochic
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:54:38 AM
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It doesnt' suprise me that they have more game content to make another game, all Square cares about is $ suprise their they could of had this game out a few years ago but because they wanted to port it to the 360 all the true fans get left out.

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lightel0s
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:07:20 AM
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MAYBE they come later with a FFXIII - X2? or something weird? that could happen... or exclusive content for both consoles...

well i jumped from ps2 to 360 this gen and im happy for now and i did it because the 360 was full of rpgs and ps3 no (back in 2008), i fell the same sometimes that this game could be better or have more content if being exclusive, maybe we will never now... but im not dying to find it out, im just ok with the game the way it is.

but i feel somewhat cheated now with my 360, i mean there no more rpgs in the horizon maybe a couple and that will claim the technical dead of my 360 since i only play rpgs most the time

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:30:24 AM

I had my 360 for RPGs, too, being a huge RPG fan all my life. But it was only a matter of time before the PS3 started to come with the role-playing titles and they're definitely coming while some are already here. I loved Lost Odyssey more than anything this gen, though.

In all honesty, I'm starting to wonder if there's any reason I even HAVE a 360 besides Gears. It's the only exclusive that can even hope to stand up to the PS3 exclusive lineup (mentioned in the article).

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gumbi
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:07:29 AM
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I don't want to go off on a big MS/SE flame here, I'd like to think I'm past that.

The simple fact is that we as Playstation fans have every right to be upset with SE and MS. Since it's announcement we've all been clamoring for this title, and we could have had it ages ago (at it's original vision to boot), but MS paid off SE for a multiplat game with a simultaneous release. So we're stuck waiting for a game that was pretty much finished a long time ago, and now we find out that we're getting a trimmed down version of it's original vision without a good reason why. It's hard to believe that an entire game's worth of content hit the cutting room floor. So we're left to speculate as to why so much content was removed... and you can guess where our suspicions fall.

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lightel0s
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:32:00 AM
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yeah your right gumbi, but well thats like the business are no?

without money there no more Squarenix ;S even if that company dont need it at all to success.

i dont know how much MS pay for FFXII but surely was enough to develop other SE games on ps3 consoles xD , at the end u guys are the real winners.

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karneli lll
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:54:43 PM

Yeah ,we get FF XIII minus a third.I feel like a winner

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BikerSaint
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:57:02 PM

@lightel0s,
<<<<<i dont know how much MS pay for FFXII but surely was enough to develop other SE games on ps3 consoles xD , at the end u guys are the real winners.>>>>>>

HUH, What??????

Soooo, let me see now....You're saying that if all these unscrupulous developers gimp the PS3 versions by cutting out content just so it will fit for the 360 & make MS happy, then I should be a happy PS3 players and the real winner????

Maybe the Earthling version of what you just stated above is still cryo-genetically frozen in the United Federation of Galaxy Translator's Database, but could you explain yourself with that comment....
and this time, do so as humanly as possible????

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brighat1971
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:36:44 AM
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I'm still going to buy the game regardless. I have to find out for myself. Be happy, though, that Final Fantasy XV will not appear anywhere but the PS3. Microsoft is going to give up trying to market their consoles in Japan. They spent millions and nobody still cares over there.

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Qubex
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:47:34 AM
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There is a recent review of FFXIII which rates it a 4/10! Absolutely right Ben is regarding exclusives becoming multi-plats; some titles just don't deserve that torture :(

Q!

"i am home"

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:50:27 AM
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Well, I *This* think it's *message* not such a big *is* deal, more cash *a lie* for SE means more *family* games they *being* can *held* make even if *at* those too would *gunpoint* come out on 360.

dam u micros0
OMG been shot in tha chest

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Qubex
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:54:09 AM

What's wrong with you!

Q!

"i am home"

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JPBooch
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:10:11 AM

Clever

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Banky A
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:44:04 PM

Haha.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:27:34 PM

Wow, Ingenuous idea...that subliminal text message.....
(Damn, now I've got this sudden urge to go out and buy another dozen guns)

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:54:31 AM
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Let's keep it serious now. As I said before I'm still pissed this game has been downgraded when it could've been harder, better, faster and stronger. All I can do now with the Final Fantasy subject is wait for Versus to come out and hope Nomura doesn't listen to his boss screaming at his head from both sides, wanting to make everything a multiplat.
Good luck, dear Mr. Nomura.

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:03:56 AM
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@Qubex
I sometimes wonder myself too, the only answer to that question is obvious: so much.

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Qubex
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:55:23 AM

It's ok FullMetal, I understand. There is something wrong with us all, to varying degrees... the very serious will be put into a straight jacket... at the very least. Doubt you have reached that level of severity, right?

Q!

"i am home"

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Mamills
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:05:14 AM
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u know i knew this was going to happen as soon as i heard 360 was getting it
a dvd is peanuts compared to bluray
SE im disappointed
i just hope they done screw up versus 13
that one is already more appealing

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JPBooch
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:05:23 AM
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I'm not too sure about one of the arguments you are making. An article was just released saying FFXIII takes up 40GB of space and has to fit on 3 xbox360 DVD's. This is the largest game to date for the PS3. (MGS4 was 32GB) Therefore, it sounds more like they trimmed it down to fit on a BR disk since it really doesnt matter if you go from 3 to 4 discs on the 360.

Also, what do you think they are going to do with the extra content? one dirty abbreviation... DLC

As far as triming down the environments and not maximizing the cell processor, well that remains to be seen. If that is the case, then that is extremelely messed up and I agree with you 100%.

It goes back to the original argument that 3rd party devs don't want to take their time to develop on the PS3 correctly. Although, I think the investment is well worth it in the long run.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:55:59 AM

errr, your wrong. Square said the game is only 25gb or so and its shipping on a duel layer 50gb Blue Ray disc. So no they didnt have to cut down to fit it on a blue ray disc. And even if the game really was 40gb why would that have to cut it back to fit it on a 50gb Blue Ray?

And from my understanding MGS4 took up the entire 50gb blue ray. who told you it was only 32gb in size?

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JPBooch
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:22:41 PM

It's always good to back up your statements with PROOF.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/01/15/final-fantasy-xiii-pushes-blu-ray-to-limits/

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JPBooch
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:33:26 PM

also, MGO takes up about 15GB's.... MGS4 is about 33 GB. you can google it if you like.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:42:53 PM

Either way they wouldnt have problems fitting a 40gb onto a dual player 50gb blue Ray disc. 10gb is still plenty of space to work with.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:05:08 PM

Oh and by your logic, if 50gb wasn't enough space, then kojima should have cut out MGO and sold it to use as DLC which is exaclty what would have happened if MGS4 was multiplat and is what's happening now with FFXIII because of the DVD9.

There's one thing you and I agree on, Its that well likely see this cut content come later as DLC for a price.

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Ergi
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:18:18 AM
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I guess we'll have to wait see if there's a recognizable difference, i predict there will be. I think DMC4 could have been more too, and i'm glad MGS4 never went multiplat, if that was at all possible. Though i won't mind if they make separate versions, make one first then expand the other. I know it doesn't seem to be all that logical but at least that way both parties win, ninja gaiden did it though it's not quite the same thing. I miss the days when DMC and FF were exclusives, things are looking bright though with the line-up for this year!!

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:05:42 PM
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I have not yet(?) reached that level of insanity, I wouldn't be able to afford paying someone to type for me, with all these upcoming titles I have to buy.
Ayways, I'll go back to studying and watching anime, always a good combination...

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Hezzron
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:21:39 PM
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FF XIII could of been a superior game as a PS3 exclusive, but it wouldn't of sold as much. And THAT unfortunately is the bottom line for SE.

There are more dollars for a 3rd party developer in going multiplat, than there would be in staying exclusive to Sony in order to please the PS3 crowd with a few more bells and whistles.

I'm afraid 3rd party developers that make games exclusively for the PS3 are going the way of the dodo bird. The cursed Xbox managed to weasel its way into a larger install base this gen.

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:22:05 AM

i think you're underestimating final fantasy. Its one of the true system sellers. I mean even if a ps2 owner "upgrades" to a 360, its the type of game that those 360 owners would buy a ps3 for. at least thats what i read when 360 users/fanboys were saying that Final fantasy was nothing, right, then turn around and rejoice after it was announced for their system too.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 12:56:15 PM
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Squaresoft was in the same league as Polyphony and Kojima Productions

They've now sunk into the mud....
Not entirely their fault though

Microsoft influenced their demise

Squeeeeenix might still get the big money. But their reputation and overall quality is DOWN.

Soon, a lot of gamers will realize this.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:56:45 PM

Exaclty. They used to give us cutting edge graphics and game play. They were A Naughty Dog quality company during the PS1 and PS2 days. Always moving forward. This gen, thanks to MS, they've settled for mediocrity.

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 1:13:29 PM
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Indeed they will, which will cost them on future games, hopefully not the Tetsuya Nomura ones though.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:58:02 PM

Hit the reply button please. Thank you.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:01:55 PM
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Not sure if I can confirm or deny this but a colleague of mine told me that japanese gamers are disappointed with the game in general. All I know is this will not be on the top of my list because on the top is almighty Kratos waiting to be bought!

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:06:21 PM

They are. Further up in the comments someone posted several links from Sankaku Complex that illustrate how annoyed the Japanese gamers are as well as the post release reaction in the gaming media, and if you look around they also have that Review from HongKong that (rightly IMHO) gave the game 4/10.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 2:12:30 PM

OUCH! Thanks Highlander for that tidbit I am definitely gonna read the reviews. Even if Famitsu gave it like a 9.2 or something I still don't trust that rating

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I C E_COLD
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:01:34 PM
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WOW! So this means that this will happen to the new metal gear solid!!!!!

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:00:46 PM

Yes. That's why my heart sank to my stomach when I watched Kojima walk out onto that Xbox stage at E3.

At least it's only a spin off and not a true MGS game like Peace Walker.

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LightShow
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 3:18:59 PM
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im more stoked for Vs XIII anyways. least from what theyve released, its more my style.

and as for the 360 holding the PS3 back, i've been saying that for years. completely agree.

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LowKey
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:01:03 PM
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Somebody has to say it Ben? Really? Somebody hasn't been saying it for the past 2 years? I do believe alot of people owe me an apology for busting my balls with a sledge hammer when I posted aboot this a year and a half ago.

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DemonNeno
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:03:26 PM
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SE is putting up their lifeline at stake here. Their company as we know it, right now, will shatter. If the sales in the US go sour, their loss will be two-fold with the Xbox and PS3. Their target crowd with the Xbox is thin enough as it, as far as I'm concerned.

Introducing a game that pretty much defines the genre it lives in. You may say what you want to say about ex-nintendo'ers, but we brought the stepping stones for what became its huge appeal (which you can see heavily in FFVII) and some of its many fans.

I still play FF with the same expectations I held the first game to. Every game has been a progress of authenticity and genuine structure.

If the Xbox verison couldn't bring what it needed to so it can handle a game the way it was meant to be, then why was it done? Now, the fans are short changed on something we pretty much expect from the Series.

So long as the short games are out of the picture, so is my interest and money into it. I'll play fallout 3 again with all its add-ons.

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karneli lll
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 4:23:01 PM
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OUch Ben! Way to use that delete button

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:47:16 PM

I didn't delete anything.

Did one of the N4G losers get in here and get banned by Shadow or something?

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karneli lll
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:59:27 PM

Nah a couple comments i had got deleted,they were mostly nods so that confused me a bit but thanks for calling me a N4G loser

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:06:19 PM

@Karnelli, I didn't see Ben call you that...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:05:15 PM
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Delete=Good

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Robochic
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:14:37 PM
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My husband is now totally Pissed, he has been looking forward to this game when he first heard about it 3 years ago hes not a happy camper at all.

I got him to read some articles on it today (bad idea) and he was like F this and F that, he really likes FF has every game almost. Hes just mad that they would 1 make it for the 360 and 2 down grade it just to suit the 360 and ignore all the loyal fans that have been with them since day one.
So lets say I canceled the preorder and he put it towards WKC.

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isaya85
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:32:24 PM
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I was almost on my way to liking SE again till I found out about this bull, I'm debating on whether to get the game still, what to do???

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KilloWertz
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:58:16 PM

This isn't all directed towards you, but I am amazed that them cutting out content for whatever reason is enough to keep people who were really looking forward to this game from possibly not buying it at all now. I know this is going to get some thumbs down, but I will continue to think this is all just silly. Personally, I would still play a great game (if this is one) regardless and it seems that people are taking this whole thing way too seriously.

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TheHighlander
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:08:51 PM

@KilloWertz
The removal of content was one thing, but the reviews and comments I am reading that are coming from Japan are not positive. That said, Wired's preview was sufficient for me. The game's linear design led them to describe it as a series of kill-tubes. 'nuff said.

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KilloWertz
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:17:24 PM

I understand that. I can't say for sure that this game will be great as I haven't played it yet. It just seems like a lot of people are really down on this game right now just because content was removed. That can make some people think that there is some bias there if someone is passing on the game now just because of deleted content. If it truly isn't that great, then that is why people should be passing on this game if they end up doing so.

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www
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:35:27 PM

KilloWertz your twisting the whole thing!

Yes ppl are taking it seriously cause perhaps the content taken out is part of the issue not making it the GREAT game it coulda been. Like Highlander said, there few reviews out and its not receiving much love, what if it scored higher with all content intact. So ppl have all the right to be pissed!

I'm not passing on it, its just stupid to be playing another game gimped down for the sake of 360's DVD's when at the back of your mind you know it coulda been better, that's just the simple point.

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LowKey
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:11:24 PM

Like I said since day 1

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KilloWertz
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:15:25 PM

I'm not twisting it. All of this has been sparked thanks to SE saying that there is nearly enough deleted content for a whole other game. Now people are down on the game.

Also, this whole it could have been better being in the back of your mind while playing is one of the things I was talking about. If it is still a great game, which we need more than a few reviews to judge, then I think it's silly to not just enjoy what you've got.

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www
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 5:34:40 PM
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Money keeps talking and there's no way shutting it, and that's sad!

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:24:22 AM

yeah, i know what you mean. unfortunately microsoft has a big ass mouth.

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SEisDeadToMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:27:06 PM
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Someone find me SE's email and i will spam the hell out of them.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 6:32:59 PM
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"To me, nothing on the 360 can even touch the PS3's best exclusives (Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Killzone 2, and soon, God of War III, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian and Gran Turismo 5)."

Like always Ben, you hit the nail on the head. Damn straight and enough said on that point!
Now, on the other point that FFXIII should have been exclusive for the PS3, I agree 150%. The FF series was always exclusive to PS and now they go off onto the 360? Kinda sad... Nothing delievers more than Sony and Square Enix working together... What kind of monster are they creating adding Microsoft? (Shudders)
Will it bring in more sales? More than likely, yes. But, will it lose its magical "one-system-only" title? Yes, inevitably, it will.

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Jed
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:15:01 PM

As far as I can remember, squaresoft went to the best console there was at the time. That is why they came to Playstation in the first place. Now it's like square enix is taking a step backwards, and choosing to make more money, instead of making a better game

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 1:20:37 AM

@Jed

Sad to admit, but true. It seems that SE has been doing some sleeping around with the consoles, eh? I can't say I'm happy with their bright idea of going to the 360, even if it will bring in more money. Always quality over quantity... But, it seems that SE is trying to shoot for both, but with multiplatform, that's going to be hard to get.
We can only hope that SE will see its mistake and go back to its original platform... Oh, how I wait for the day... (Sighs)

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DGo8
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 7:49:47 PM
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In my eyes so many games should of stay in the PlayStation Family..so many

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:48:49 PM

Like Devil May Cry

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Cessate
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:19:58 PM
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Being both a PS3 AND 360 fan, all I can say about this article is QQ MORE.

I find it ridiculous how so many fanboys (of either console) get so worked up over something that is ultimately a great change.

The fallacies behind how much content was removed for the 360 version are just that, fallacy. There was an article a few weeks ago that looked into the games files itself and showed what exactly was removed; and from what was shown, it was a bunch of movies, nothing more. So the chances of "whole environments being removed" is highly unlikely.

Between 360 griefers, PS3 griefers, and Wii griefers... the PS3 ones have to be the worst.

Down with elitest fanboys of any kind.

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Jawknee
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:26:08 PM

Has nothing to do with brand loyalty but everything to do with the quality we expect from Square and Final Fantasy.

It's been ruined.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:59:38 PM

Well doy, you aren't going to see what content was removed because they would have had to make it equal on both consoles. I think this discussion has been fine and with 99% less fanboy spouting than most internet comment sections and if you came here to say that PS3 griefers are the worst then you came with a foolish fanboyish grievance of your own that was SO powerful you made an account just to post it.

Not to mention SE themselves mentioned whole environments being removed, they just wouldn't admit why.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:37:49 PM

You know what else is a fallacy?

The belief that ANYTHING that resembles intelligent life comes from N4G.

Out.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 2:46:38 AM

@Cessate

Fanboys? How sexist...
And SE lost track of what they need to focus on. Now, they're just in on the money rather than delievering quality. Bye bye cut-out content... Xbox 360 has slain thee...

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LowKey
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:59:37 PM
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Yeah thats it ignore me people, that'll make it go away

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 8:59:55 PM

haha

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LowKey
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:16:20 PM

you know exactly what I'm talking aboot world. You were there. You saw what people were saying to me. Making me out to be some sort of invalid who didn't know what he was talking aboot.

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Jed
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:04:33 PM

Do what now?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:01:09 PM

That's why I'm laughing, it's okay brotha, we be wichya.

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LowKey
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:56:19 AM

You wanna know heres my thread
http://www.psxextremeforums.com/playstation-3/9990-square-enix.html

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just2skillf00l
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 9:27:41 PM
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I feel like I've waited all this time for something I really wanted and now that I've heard some bad news about it, my desire for it has completely disappeared. It "Has nothing to do with brand loyalty". I completely agree Jawknee. It's about the quality of the product being released to the masses. I could care less if the 360 gets Final Fantasy 13. But the very fact that they did means that the PS3 is limited in terms of the content available for the game. My first-day purchase mind-set for this game is fading by the FF13 article.

Why Enix...why?

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:00:05 AM

Mine was obliterated the momeny i read the review for the game.

And the article about cutting the content.

Not even interested in this game now....
MIGHT rent it, if it gets uber reviews.

FFvsXIII yessssssss pleaaaaaase =D

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MysteriousMagus
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 7:59:50 PM

I saw both Final Fantasy XIII and vsXIII trailers before the games even got what they are now.
And I say the tech demo of VSXIII blew me away when I saw it.
XIII wasn't even that impressive.
XIII should had been on PS3 what X was on PS2.

The masterpiece that it should have been it's lost thanks to the Micro$oft and SquareEnix.

It's just silly and stupid because if they stayed with Sony they would have made lots of money. Sony might have sold millions more of PS3 worldwide and the game would have sold as much as it did. However, the gamers wouldn't be disappointed as they are now.

I believe what you said that 360 is holding the industry.
Imagine if they gimped down games on the xbox to fit PS2 quality standards back then. They wouldn't be so happy... would they?
Micro$oft is just pathetic...

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Jed
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:01:41 PM
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Ok, this is what really pisses me off. Last gen when the xbox came out, it was the superior system. When I got mine, I played multiplats on it because the graphics were just better than the PS2. None of the developers had a problem making the game look better on the xbox.

This gen started earlier for the 360, and the PS3 had a steep learning curve. So they felt it was still ok to release crappy ports. Now, the PS3 has caught up with the 360. There are just about as many 360s out there as there are PS3s, and everyone knows that the PS3 is just the more capable system. Just like the xbox was last gen.

So, WHY THE HELL aren't multiplats better on the PS3? While the games can be so much bigger and better on PS3, the devs are afraid to make them that way. Why? Maybe they are afraid that the 360 owners will backlsh, or maybe they have gotten too comfortable having microsoft far enough up their ass that they can't close their mouth.

Now, the games are suffering because Microsoft has an inferior console. They know the PS3 is better than the 360, so they pay everybody to ignore how great games can be, and settle for something less.

/end rant

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:56:33 AM

I would go as far as saying that multiplats are STILL better on the 360.

This gen, has by far, been the most dissapointing in the way i feel about all multiplat devs......

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:28:31 AM

its probably because microsoft has a lot of money to throw around. plus some developers are set in their ways. you cant teach an old dog new tricks, cant teach lazy devs progress.

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kokoro
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:02:52 PM
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I think people are forgeting just how linear final fantasy X was- there was almost no divergence from the allocated path until you got to the calm lands. A lot of the criticisms being directed at XIII were made about X. I also think that all final fantasy titles have been extremely linear (with the exception of XII, which gets to be called linear, not extremely linear). In the past this linearity was masked by the world map which gave the gamer an illusory sense of freedom. You, the gamer, felt as though you had many paths open to you because of the expansiveness of the world map. However, you were almost always limited in where you could go.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 10:09:21 PM

XIII:

*no towns
*you shop from the menu
*you can't go back to any town 'till the last chapters
*You can't change your main characters 'till the last chapters (everything, including the places you fight at and who you fight with are pre-planned for you)

In FFX/FFX-2 you could go back to towns, fight wherever you wanted to fight. Provided you had been there already (or that there isn't a special event going on in the game). You could party up with whomever you wanted. You could do side quests/mini-games, etc. It wasn't an open world like FFXII, but it was explorable and definitely had individual towns.

FFXIII is a movie with a straight line, where everything's dictated by FMVs

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:04:04 PM

Kokoro, that is why I'm still buying it. I had no issues with the path FFX took, the main difference seems to be that that game had some sidequests (Hunting every monster for the arena) and well, I tended to ignore a daunting task like that anyway.

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:49:50 AM

I spent over 120 hours on that game.

Linear? HA!

Did not stop me =]

There was plenty to do after the midway point of the game, the only linear thing about it, was that there was no world map!

Completing the sphere grid
Beating the ultimate boss
Beating the Weapons
Obtaining all Ultimate weapons and armor

to name a few

Last edited by Akuma07 on 1/17/2010 3:51:26 AM

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Akuma07
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:54:25 AM

Is it not the same as all games?

there is plenty to go off and do on the side, but to advance the story, and move on in the game, you MUST go to a certain place?

Saying all FF games were linear, is like saying every game in exsistance is too!

From what i hear, FFXIII, you dont have control over who you use, you cant choose your party, no towns, no shops none of those things that reduced the linearity of the previous FFs, FFXIII is FF stripped of everything, for the sake of ultimate graphics and money

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johnld
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:30:59 AM

@akuma
Thats the reason i know removing content for "game volume" concerns is such a retarded excuse. I mean they can tell you how much hours you would need to beat a final fantasy, but you will spend a lot more time than their estimates on the game. No final fantasy game can be faulted for being too long.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, January 16, 2010 @ 11:18:43 PM
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I'm starting to smell a couple tons of bull manure from SE's own mission statement below.....(I think we can flush SE's statements #1, #2, & #3 right down the commode now.....& with a few cans of Drano too, so it won't be clogging up the Playstation 3's plumbing).

Corporate Philosophy
To spread happiness across the globe by providing unforgettable experiences
　This philosophy represents our company’s mission and the beliefs for which we stand.

　Each of our customers has his or her own definition of happiness.
Square Enix provides high-quality content, services, and products to help those customers create their own wonderful, unforgettable experiences, thereby allowing them to discover a happiness all their own.

Management Guidelines
　These guidelines reflect the foundation of principles upon which our corporate philosophy stands, and serve as a standard of value for the Group and its members. We shall strive to achieve our corporate goals while closely considering the following:

1. Professionalism
　We shall exhibit a high degree of professionalism, ensuring optimum results in the workplace. We shall display initiative, make continued efforts to further develop our expertise, and remain sincere and steadfast in the pursuit of our goals, while ultimately aspiring to forge a corporate culture disciplined by the pride we hold in our work.

2. Creativity and Innovation
　To attain and maintain new standards of value, there are questions we must ask ourselves: Is this creative? Is this innovative?
　Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements. Simply being content with the status quo can only lead to a collapse into oblivion. To prevent this from occurring and to avoid complacency, we must continue asking ourselves the aforementioned questions.

3. Harmony
　Everything in the world interacts to form a massive system. Nothing can stand alone.
　Everything functions with an inevitable accord to reason. It is vital to gain a proper understanding of the constantly changing tides, and to take advantage of these variations instead of struggling against them. We shall continue to work towards harmony and serve as an integral part of this ever-fluctuating system.

　In order to achieve ideal performance levels, we as individuals, shall aim for a mutual respect amongst our coworkers, remain conscious of the duties assigned us, and place an emphasis on teamwork.
　As a corporate organization, we shall work diligently to maintain an optimal balance culminating in the ultimate satisfaction of all our stakeholders, including customers, shareholders, counterparties, and employees.
　As a business entity, we shall contemplate what functions we are to perform within the realm of industry, while acting in a manner that ensures the mutual harmony and benefit of all parties within it.
　Finally, as a member of society, we shall comply with laws and regulations while fulfilling our civic obligations, including community involvement and environmental conservation.

Last edited by BikerSaint on 1/16/2010 11:21:09 PM

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:51:49 PM

@BikerSaint

Haha! This is the greatest joke ever!
....SE, what monster hath thou created?

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MysteriousMagus
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 8:04:04 PM

　Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements.

hmmm.... they should read that one all over again until it gets burn into their minds!

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randomname
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 12:19:33 AM
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wats going on here?
lol i need a helmet

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SEisDeadToMe
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 3:12:45 AM
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ok seriously all this discussion is good but it accomplishes nothing, we need to voice this to SE,(even tho SE will probably just delete it from there inbox without reading it) we need to spam there offices with our complaints. Does anyone have an email address for SE

Last edited by SEisDeadToMe on 1/17/2010 3:13:11 AM

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Bandit King
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 9:00:33 AM

Ask and you shall recieve:
na.support@square-enix.com
their email address has become hard to find on the site of late, but thats it. Not that I think it will matter much, the damage has been done. Oh and trust me they dont care, but if it makes you feel better to have yor opinion heard be my guest

Last edited by Bandit King on 1/17/2010 9:05:38 AM

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b3mike
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 9:33:48 AM
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Why does everyone keep saying FF13 is going to make more money thanks to the 360? Has anyone even checked the Pirate Bay's top 100 360 games? I think just about anyone that has a 360 and wants this game will pirate it. Last time I checked the Ps3 wasn't hacked yet.

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Bandit King
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 9:36:00 AM
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As for your article, I could not agree more Ben. This was why I feared FF XIII going to 360 in the first place. No matter what S-E said this whole time I knew content was being cut and changes were being made. The lack of towns and the ability to back track are classic signs of 360 JRPG development, Tales of Vesperia suffered from this as well. See what some on here might not know about some of the bigger 360 JRPG's is that you dont just swap discs once, but multiple times depending on what you want to do. Star Ocean TLH is the most recent game to have this, you see if you want to back track in Star Ocean with certain side quests you need to insert the earlier discs to access the data for that quest, because the DVD cant fit the new data and movies plus the older mission data. Thus I believe S-E made the choice to make FF13 more linear so that 1. the 360 ver of the game would not be 5+ discs and 2. so that 360 users would not have to constantly swap discs just to back track.

In the PSX days when we had multiple discs this was not the case. The developement team knew from the start that multiple discs would be needed and it was mainly due to the size of the CG movies. You will find that with FF7 (and 8&9) most of the side quests from disc 1 can still be completed on disc 2 and sometimes 3. Though with data for games and movies growing like they have you can't simply take a game designed to be one one disc, and cut it up into 5 without a massive ammount of disc swapping, being required. Remember what woudl be a simple data load off the blu-ray might require a disc swap since the data is no longer unified, and with a game as big as a typical FF that could be quite alot of swapping.

Good news is that despite 1up.com trying to say both look equal, IGN's hands on time with the game say that the PS3 version looks noticeably sharper the its 360 counter part. its just a shame that its the better version of a scaled down game.

Last edited by Bandit King on 1/17/2010 9:36:10 AM

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D3ath_Sy7he
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 4:00:38 AM

well if coded correctly with the x-box's new install to HD function this can be taken out of the equation.

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geovanwitdakick
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 10:42:41 AM
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not that I think this way, but it's also perhaps possible to blame Sony for not paying for exclusivity? Although to me, FF13 is still exclusive, just without the benefit of it being optimized for the PS3. Not only does it release in Japan (unlike for the 360), but they get it 3 months & a half early. Sales-wise, it'll definetely sell way more for the PS3, we already have at least a 2.5 million lead. & that keeps my hopes up for FF13 Versus staying exclusive.

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MarkyMark3
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 11:05:45 AM
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might as well make the whole FF franchise and Kingdom Hearts an exclusive for 360 gimme a break

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:43:27 PM

@MarkyMark3

If KH went to Xbox even ONCE, I'd go to Microsoft and kill everyone myself!
I'd just terrorize SE until they vowed, signed a contract, crossed their hearts hoped to die, to NEVER work with anyone else BUT Sony!
In a more suitable response to KH going to the 360... I'd stop being the loyal fan of SE I am and say they're a lost cause... They're already on their way there!

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EcksTeaSea
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 8:53:17 PM

Ahh fanboyism at its finest. You certainly do belong here friend

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SirLoin of Beef
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 11:13:27 AM
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Microsoft kills puppies and eats babies, too.

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KoldStrejke
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 12:33:59 PM
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no no no. i think they should multi-disc it on both consoles. if they dont and release DLC, i will be furious. com on square. if you are to tone it down, at least add a second disc with all the older PSOne FFs on it. for doing this square owes there fans that much.

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nilos95
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 12:37:01 PM
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And because of X360, we lost japanese voice-over!

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TheTenth
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 1:39:34 PM
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This is where a company gets above the law (M$ of course). Imagine Sony and M$ are selling newspapers, M$ pays some journals to ship to them one month before they ship to Sony, making Sony lose lots of sales and money ; that's what is called "unfair competition" and is punished by the law (adding that they - and the developers they paid largely - even lie to customers and retailers saying "this game will NEVER be released on PS3 when they know from the start it will be released
oh and let's not forget one of M$'s idea to make us spend new money : DLC, of course the parts that didn't come with FFXIII will be sold as DLC

Last edited by TheTenth on 1/17/2010 1:42:02 PM

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MrAnonymity
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:31:10 PM
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Ugh... this article is painful in its truth. Unfortunately, this is a problem we are going to have to live with if SE continues to multi-platform their masterpieces. It really boggles my mind as to how the 360 lands exclusive, or even first release rights, to such grand RPGs. As pointed out, the PS3 is better equipped to handle extremely large amounts of data. What are RPGs typically full of? Uh, data? A substantial RPG, at least by today's standards, has to be both epic and huge. When it comes to things like the combat system or amount of PCs, those things are negligible. I'd gladly take an RPG with a turn-based battle system and three characters so long as there was massive content. I mean, isn't it interesting that a couple choice titles hit the 360 first (rumored to be exclusive) only to turn around and be released to the PS3... with more content!? Don't get me wrong... I give the 360 credit where credit is due. However, credit is not due when it comes to quality RPGs. Bear in mind that I am only ranting as a Sony loyalist and RPG fan. If the 360 were better geared to handle RPG epics, hey, more power to it. Alas, it is not and we suffer when they go multi-platform.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 4:46:12 PM

@MisterB

So true, and 'nuff said! Major thumbs up on that one!

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 10:50:21 AM

Those said projects being games like Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean, and even Eternal Sonata. Eternal Sonata mainly just got to smooth out their graphics and bump up their stuff a lot, lol.

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booze925
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 5:45:11 PM
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i think its fantastic that ff13 is going multiplat! my brother loves final fantasy, but I got the ps3. if it remained exclusive, he would bother me day in and day out to pla it. now he can just get it for his 360 : )

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SvenMD
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 7:48:26 AM

He could go buy a PS3...problem solved.

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 10:51:15 AM

Would have been if it didn't ruin it and make the game hold back whole areas and probably even whole events on us.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 5:55:44 PM
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Dr Dork,
Sounds like mommy doesn't do a good enough job monitoring her little rug-rat's on-line activity enough.

Yet.....instead of playing Halo yourself, you just have to come "troll" this site with your two lame kiddie posts.

You fail!
No go sit your ass down on the naughty chair till we tell you that your bottle's ready!

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D3ath_Sy7he
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 6:50:57 PM
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OMG, just stop crying about it already i was really anticipating this game but you all seem like a bunch of fracking cry babies. If it don't work out then it will come back to sony only but dang give the game a chance the way it is.

They have already said it will take upwards of 50 hrs to complete sounds like a whole lot of content there, what do you want a game that takes 6mos to complete that you will never complete because the next new "HOT" game will be out by then.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 8:32:20 PM

Let me see if I can understand the logic: it's okay to cut out the extra content because it would've taken too long to complete...?

That's the best rationale yet.

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D3ath_Sy7he
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 3:50:55 AM

Hey i own all 3 systems, i have what i believe the best PS3 ever before Sony crippled it. I have hardware backward comparability, and Linux installed on the 640 GB Hard Drive I installed.

I don't have a problem with any game on any of the systems i just wish that all the gamers out there could get together on the same page and unite. As a whole united group we might actually have a chance to make the industry listen to us.

On a side note i have plans to purchase both versions of the game and compare them for myself. But with tanking 50 hrs each i will probably never complete either before i move on to something better, as is; I am going to be hard pressed to complete White Knight Chronicles before FF13 is released. ><

Last edited by D3ath_Sy7he on 1/18/2010 3:52:27 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 8:31:25 PM
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Gee, maybe Arnold and I didn't make this clear before: Ryan/Bio and the REST of his loser 360 fanboy tribe will NOT post here. Ever.

But really, keep trying to prove you're all so "unbiased" by continually bashing at the other side. It's always so...honorable. I also find it amusing that OTHER posters can admit they're 360 fans without slamming on Sony. See, THEIR posts stay. It's called civility, I believe.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 1/17/2010 8:34:02 PM

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shoota
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 9:28:05 PM
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What did I post that was biased in any way?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, January 17, 2010 @ 10:11:41 PM

When you ONLY ever comment for ONE reason, there's no other conclusion that one will reach.

Much the same way you do in the forums, as if you're the "yeah, but" sheriff for all the PS3 fans. That's going to stop, too.

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Yukian
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 12:52:47 AM
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I kept thinking that all the delays for a FF was so that they could put as many side quests, towns, environments, outfits, summons, bosses, videos and many other things they could cram on a Bluray... now my hopes are shattered.

Now, the only ray of hope is that one of the best games of all times stay exclusive... the FFVII remake. It's been delayed way too long; hope they add 5 times the content... at least.

I imagine the most detailed Midgar slashed in half everytime I think of FFVII being on any console besides a PS3.

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pillz81
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 3:42:27 PM

The delays were probably to find ways to cut FF13 up for 360 use.

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Roach721
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:04:10 AM
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You know everyone is so passionate about this problem and i am too, what surprises me is that even after all this complaining and winning most or half of you people are still going to buy the game,and because of this square enix will never learn not to sell out again.Someone mentioned that we can't do anything about it, well you bet your ass we could we can choose not to buy their damn game and teach them a lesson for selling out to the competitor.I for one will not buy it because i feel that strongly about it.So dont sit hear complain about it so much then turn around and go buy it.Thats why we are were we are.

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Roach721
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 2:16:54 AM
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Theres so many great games out there for the Ps3 we can deal with not playing one final fantasy game it's going to be hard but if we don't stand up for ourselves who will.Our voices need to be heard and boycotting the buy of this game as passionate Playstation owners is the way to do it.Dont get me wrong I too have a love for final fantasy games and the rpg's are my favorite genre but dammit you have to draw the line somewhere sometime. In order to teach these bozos not to mess with our games and exclusives.I hope and pray that most of you will be with me on this.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 6:43:12 AM
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I'm not a lover of RPG's so I'm not really worried about the FF franchise being dumbed down.

What is worrying is, if it becomes a trend amongst devs.

For example, the article on Castlevania...

...is it going to get dumbed down just so it's available for xbox?

They allowed the user base of 360 to get too large and consequently the cost implications of not releasing mulitplat are too great. Therefore, for multiplat games it seems that's it always going to be the case of the slowest holding the fastest back. This is where, I think - and it's only my opinion, Sony really messed up in not releasing the ps3 closer to the 360 launch.

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jami
Monday, January 18, 2010 @ 9:45:21 PM
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i agree completely. not lookin forward to this as much as i originally was. will deffo be waiting until it comes down in price before i consider buying it. they cut the game in half, i cut the price i'm willing to pay in half too =)

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