Editorial: Can We Ignore Expectations?
It's similar to asking, "can we possibly ignore hype?" but this is a bit more specific.
So I finally got around to beating Final Fantasy XIII this past week and while I certainly enjoyed the ending and I liked the game, I know it fell well short of my expectations. But at the same time, I have to admit to myself that FFXIII is certainly one of the better titles currently available on store shelves; in comparison to most, it's a superior experience. Plain and simple. And yet, at the same time, it's easily my least favorite entry in the legendary RPG series (with the possible exception of FFV). ...does anyone else find this to be out of whack? I know I'm a huge fan and everything, but this whole situation has led me to ask the intriguing question, "can we ignore our expectations?" In other words, can we go into every game with a blank slate, regardless of past affiliations with the title in question...?
There was a time, way back in my idealistic youth, when I believed we could always do that. Just forget about the past. Accept what's in front of you and don't compare it to anything else. If you like it, that's the only important thing. But no matter how much I may recommend FFXIII to other people, I will always say it was, overall, a bit of a disappointment to me. Obviously, it's because past FF installments were so memorable and amazing, perhaps it wasn't even fair to hold FFXIII up to such scrutiny. But then, another part of me says- "What the hell? Of course you have to scrutinize and compare; the franchise has set and reset the bar, so it must continue to live up to its good name!" I keep going back and forth on this and I'm afraid there is no easy solution. The bottom line is that it doesn't seem possible to "ignore the past."
Perhaps it's part of our genetic makeup. Have you ever been able to block out the past? Can you look at one game in an established series that you really enjoy, without letting memories of past entries cloud your judgment? And even if you think you're doing so, are you really? And what happens when expectations become, in all reality, basically insurmountable? Are we destined to be disappointed at some point down the line? Sorta depressing, I know, but worth discussing.
4/16/2010 Ben Dutka
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Kiwi of DOOM
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 10:22:12 PM
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Bromus398
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 10:37:40 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 10:59:01 PM
Kowhoho
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:29:19 AM
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 10:57:29 PM
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I wish I knew, all I can hope for is that SE learned their lessons in this sort-of-debacle and return the series to its former greatness. If they had simply added towns and people and other stuff to break up the 50 hours of combat (and maybe some branching plot lines) it would have been a true masterpiece.
So, no, you can't ignore expectations with a beloved series. Long after something dies it can be rebooted (See: Batman franchise) but if it is still alive in the hearts and minds of fans then they have to keep bringing the goodies. Is that greedy to say? Maybe, but the fans are what made it great by buying it.
SvenMD
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:23:57 AM
I don't think fans should ever have to ignore expectations. We supported the first games by buying them which allowed to debs to have jobs and make more games. So we expect certain things ( especially from a company that has been making 1 franchise for this many years). So we have every right to say it wasn't as good as any number of past games in the series. And we can critique it just like we have the last 12 games.
However, I think it is a critics job to leave expectations at the door and critique one particular game ( and maybe I'm wrong on this). But take football - the ref has to take an impartial approach to the game even if one of the teams has been their favorite team since they were 12 years old. They are there to do a job, they can't be a fan. And I think that having expectations, or giving a game a lower score because it wasn't as good as the others in the series isn't fair. FFXIII's graphics, production value, and gameplay are all top-notch and it's still better than 90% of the games out there.... But it didn't score like it was that good.
Again, I'm about 70 hours into it and still having fun, which I think says something about how good this game really is. I may never restart and play it over again, but I really don't do that with other FF games either.
Temjin001
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 11:07:16 PM
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As for Final Fantasy 13. I'm renting it and I'm on chapter 9. Much of what has compelled me about the Final Fantasy series has been the standard-setting design and presentation. The art, technical mastery, and wonder of FF is hard to top. Many of the FF's over the last decade have been nothing short of a multi-million dollar entertainment package in your hands for less than $60.
Maybe it's all the negative critiscm that set my expectations lower than where it would have been otherwise, but I've been really impressed by most of FF13 so far.
The design has changed for sure. It reminds of music bands who alter their style just a bit, creating fans of the old and fans of the new, and then their are the uber-fans of it all.
johnld
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 6:13:03 AM
NeoHumpty
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 11:31:07 AM
johnld
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 2:14:19 PM
NoSmokingBandit
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 11:20:11 PM
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We can never look past our expectations, or any part of our life experience, but can we ignore expectations enough to at least come close to being fair? Should we even try to ignore what we expect? If Lexus made a car on par with a Chevy it might still be a good car, but compared to what Lexus usually makes it would be embarrassing. So do standards include the entire industry, or a small sub-industry?
Final Fantasy is known to be amazing, so should the games be graded on a higher curve? FFX got a 91% on metacritic. Do we judge FF13 based on how well it compares to FFX, or how well it compares to other RPGs this generation? Theres no defined measuring stick we all use, so we have to draw upon our own experience and expectations.
Judging is a system that is inherently flawed because of this. Its flawed, but it works. What Ben likes may differ completely from what a fellow at IGN or Gamespot may like, and that allows us, as customers and readers, to understand the games better because we have a momentary glimpse through the eye's of someone else's expectations and we can see the game in ways we wouldnt easily see it on our own or with just one review.
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SvenMD
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:33:17 AM
So what do we do? Eapecially now that quite a few games are getting close to that coveted "10" rating. What do we do 2 years from now when a game comes out that is 10x's better?? Give it a "10" as well?
Or should we just understand that there is a deflation effect, where a 10 in 2005 equals about a 9.7 in 2010?
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 11:31:25 PM
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But a review shouldn't be, as a reviewer Ben is conflicted because while the score he gave it was completely reasonable, he might score it much lower in comparison to other Final Fantasies.
I sometimes play a game as if I was going to review it, my mind is just analytical that way but I have plenty of fun too, and while I would have to also give FFXIII a decent objective score, on a personal favorites list it hits almost rock bottom. Aye, there's the rub.
kraygen
Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 11:35:07 PM
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If you took someone who had never seen a video game and let them play one, they would say it was the best one they ever played. Even if they don't like it, its all they have, they judge it solely for what it was.
So you have to have something to compare it to, otherwise scoring a game at all is unrealistic.
When someone says rpg, we have expectations, ffxiii could be best game ever, but we'd still be a little confused as to where the rpg elements went to.
So I have to say while we don't have to follow the hype, its ok to expect certain things as long as we keep our heads about it.
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:03:35 AM
Kowhoho
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:24:49 AM
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Snaaaake
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:28:34 AM
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How can we ignore the high expectations for FFXIII when FF is the biggest JRPG franchise of all time?
That's why FFXIII came as a disappointment to me, I stopped playing when I can't get through the part where Snow was fighting alone with some soldiers and then Shiva comes out and you have to fight her.
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 1:22:56 AM
Alienange
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 2:05:23 AM
johnld
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 6:21:14 AM
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 4:00:34 PM
Scarecrow
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:37:54 AM
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But personal expectations are deeper than that. Games are like music, it crates certain FEELINGS and memories
It's kinda like Old Metallica and new Metallica
If expectations when it comes to games didn't exist what we'd have is a bunch of random games which go in all kinds of directions.
Sooner or later you'll see Gundams and Transformers in Final Fantasy
(oh wait, don't summons transform into robots in FFXIII?)
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 1:23:42 AM
Naztycuts
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 1:58:55 AM
Temjin001
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:29:44 AM
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Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 1:53:30 AM
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tis the reason why i end up being disappointed with most games, because publishers and more so journalists toot them up too the second coming of christ, so theres bound to be disappointments.
theres only one game that released this gen that i had high expectations for and the game met them, and thats splinter cell conviction.
but that does not really count because i really did not have high expectations for it.
i sort of did because i love splinter cell games, and the footage looked fantastic, but i was worried they turned it into a mindless shooter.
every single game i really enjoyed are the ones who received barley any hype there fore i had no expectations of them.
just cause 2 for example had almost no hype what so ever, normally when a game is due out in a week or so theres a article a day on them, but just cause 2 got barley any!
same goes for infamous, for a ps3 exclusive it was extremely quiet in the hype department.
Alienange
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 2:17:44 AM
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Many expected the game to rival FFVII, one of the best installments in the franchise. That, I'd say, was an unreasonable expectation and again, we didn't get that.
So yes, some expectations need to be bridled as they are just unrealistic. We need to view each installment as a new game. One where the dev was able to implement ideas and techniques that he may never have used before in order to bring you a 'new' game.
Having a hankering for the old school FF games is not a bad thing. Forcing those expectations on the latest game release is, unfortunately, just going to lead to disappointment. Does that mean the new game is no good or not deserving of high critical praise? I say no.
slimey
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 3:55:45 AM
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I think they will have learnt a lesson, but unfortunately not the one WorldEnds was hoping for. The sales for FFXIII have been stella, compared for intance to the genuine RPG masterpiece FFXII. So the probable lesson they'll take away from this is to dumb down their RPG's into what are essentially linear corridor shooters, and the money will come rolling in.
aaronisbla
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 5:30:18 AM
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shadowscorpio
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 3:54:13 PM
Ultimadream
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:38:30 AM
shadowscorpio
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 3:56:55 PM
Ole_Gunner
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 7:05:06 AM
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FullmetalX10
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 7:08:21 AM
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But when I have high expectations for a game, it's hard to ignore those, that's why I hate it when they release a lot of information for a game beforehand, that way I get all hyped up, sometimes to the point where the game becomes just way less enjoyable when I play it.
So no, I can't really ignore my expectations.
I really hope FF V XIII turns out really awesome, cuz I'm incredibly hyped up for that and my expectations are insanely high, already.
Ultimadream
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 8:04:45 AM
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FFXIII made it up to me, it was not overstreched, but very well structured. I actually liked all the characters, although i would have liked to have seen a more prominant antagonist. I can't complain overall, becuase the playable characters all had charisma which was certainly lacking from the previous game. I thought the soundtrack was rather good i espeically loved the melody in Serah's Theme. The gameplay while it can be seen as automated, its what i expect from an FF RPG, in every FF game prior to XII you did not move the characters in battle, so i did not see that as an issue, the paradigm always kept me aware, i was changing it everybattle whilst playing through the adventure. Whilst it could have done with more bonuses the monster hunt for FFXIII was very adictive. Overall i found the game very refreshing and Square-Enix have restored my faith in the series.
pavlovic
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:05:48 AM
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I ended GOW3 a little disappointed.
If I just wanted to play and never played GOW & GOW2 before, I'm pretty sure I would loved the game. It just doesn't fit in the trilogy.
slimey
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:49:59 AM
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the FFXIII characters had charisma?
no! They were a bunch of emo eeejits who spent cut scene after cut scene stressing over what their focus might be. And FFXII was a masterpiece, one of PS2's & FF's greatest moments.
I guess the Final Fantasy series really does generate diverging opinions....
Ultimadream
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 10:41:44 AM
VicTheMighty
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 10:47:24 AM
The gameplay was sweet and that is what kept me going. But I had no attachment to any of the characters.
The story was lacking in some way that made me totally not care about Van and his little buddies. I found him mostly annoying XD.
But you are right, XIII ain't that much better with all those *emo eeejits* like you call em lol. So many weird cheesy moments in XIII. Sometimes I wished I could slap em good. Can't wait for the move incorporation LOL.
I started the series with VIII then VII... IX, X, X2 and so on.... in my opinion the story in VII,VIII and X were all much better. Some cheesy moments OK but remained good stuff. In XIII I feel like they are trying to comfort suicidal people. They say suicide is an issue in Japan so maybe that's why the people in the game keep saying stuff like *Even if there is no hope, we will keep searching until we find some!* And crap lol.
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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 12:57:28 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 6:10:18 PM
maxpontiac
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 1:59:18 PM
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You can't go to any gaming site without reading a preview, a review, or developer speaking about how good his game is.
Everywere you turn, there is a video game forum chocked full of other people's expectations. Some of the forums even have community devs present.
So I guess my answer is no.
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SvenMD
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 3:04:41 PM
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Our expectations for that game are already through the roof, and if it wasn't perfect, then people would complain.
But I agree with what people are already going to say....they don't have to CHANGE anything. And they shouldn't change anything. All they have to do is remake the game and I think that people will be just fine with it.
But I still feel like SE would WANT to change something, because they THINK that's what we want....because obviously we all wanted a westernized FF game...and that's what they gave us.
BigBoss4ever
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 4:21:09 PM
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The JRPGs I cared this gen like Lost Odyssey, Demon's Souls, WKC, Magna Carta 2 ... stuff like that, Squeeeeenix's games are way way behind my priority. like i said many times, I will give another chance to FFv13, if they make it nothing different than their other RPGs this gen, I will abandon SE for once and all. thats it!
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 6:11:08 PM
BigBoss4ever
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 11:21:09 PM
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Highlander
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 9:51:26 PM
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With games we cannot help but compare a game to similar games we have already played. No matter how hard we try, this will always be the case. I don't believe that it's possible to avoid this fact.
Perhaps we can overcome this tendency to some extent, but I think it's more like wearing a really light pair of sun glasses instead of a really dark pair.
BigBoss4ever
Saturday, April 17, 2010 @ 11:23:45 PM
slimey
Sunday, April 18, 2010 @ 6:03:26 AM
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Capcom are another Japanese publisher who seem to me to be losing the plot (SFIV excepted), making their their games more and more like generic action titles to appeal to the west. They no doubt see it differently, with the huge sales for Resident Evil 5.
Even Konami don't seem able to make a decent footie game anymore
BigBoss4ever
Sunday, April 18, 2010 @ 7:10:08 PM

Final Fantasy XIII









piratedrunk
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Friday, April 16, 2010 @ 10:06:04 PM
I love FFXIII but it definitely has lowered my expectations of any future FF titles. I hope that works out in my favor.