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Ben's Week In Review: June 20

E3. Over. ...lots of articles. And videos. Monosyllabic communication may be the only possibility and yet, I can't miss my Week in Review.

Metal Gear Solid: Rising lets me see the other side...

For months, all long-time Final Fantasy fans have been saying that FFXIII felt disappointing, primarily because we were looking for something different. We were looking for something distinctly Final Fantasy. What we got was a new installment designed to drag in new - perhaps distinctly Western - fans, which is why fans sorta felt a little betrayed. I maintain the game is fantastic although I say that in comparison to the rest of the series, it falls short of super-lofty expectations. Now, as for Metal Gear Solid, I love the franchise but I sort of got into later (around MGS3) and therefore, I'm not as personally tied to it...which in turn is why I think Metal Gear Solid: Rising looks awesome. I know it's an obvious departure but the game looks polished and beautiful and crazy entertaining, so I'm psyched. At the same time, I'm not surprised to see a lot of negativity coming from the lifelong MGS followers.

See, I get it. I get it because almost the exact same thing happened to "my" franchise. So now I can see it from both sides, and I can better understand both sides. My brother, for instance, is currently playing FFXIII and he loves it. It's the first FF he's played and in fact, one of the first RPGs, but wasn't Square-Enix's goal to ensnare people like him? For Rising, I love the old MGS but I'll keep an open mind for the shift because, I suppose, the old gems don't sit quite as close to my heart.

Some of my E3 highlights

Obviously, we were big fans of the Twisted Metal announcement, only in part because Dave Jaffe and Scott Campbell really showed us some love. PlayStation Move now interests me a little more, I'm very very glad Gran Turismo 5 has a finalized release date, and Killzone 3 pretty much blew me away. I was also impressed with what EA brought to the show, as both Dead Space 2 and Medal of Honor were definite highlights, in my opinion. I also think it's just plain amusing that we finally heard the booth babes speak out about the gamers and journalists they see during the week. There are always certain aspects of every E3 show that one tends to remember, and I can guarantee the Twisted Metal unveiling and Gabe Newell's shocking announcement won't be forgotten any time soon.

Personal gaming update

Obviously, I didn't have a heck of a lot of time for games, but I've finally managed to get out of Mexico in Red Dead Redemption, and I finished up Joe Danger. Next up is probably Alan Wake, although I might just wait until my birthday; in the meantime, I'll take a break. Maybe I'll start up a game of FFVII or FFT, which is my default option whenever I take a break from new games. With the first half of 2010 featuring so many huge titles, I've struggled to keep up but strangely enough, I'm not really behind. Of course, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is always in the running for a nostalgic replay. And there's something else, too- I've been honestly considering a Wii purchase for the sole purpose of playing Super Mario Galaxy 2. I hate buying a console for only one game but this might have to happen. We'll see.

By the way, now that our secret is out, I can finally explain how we came to know about it; thought you might like to know. Back at the end of 2008, we did an interview with Jaffe and Campbell. I spoke to Scott first and during that time, he started telling me all about Twisted Metal; he used the name more than a few times, which confused me. Then when I spoke to Dave and started referring to the project by its name, he stopped me and said they hadn't announced any such game. Then I told him about my conversation with Scott and he seemed surprised, but asked me very politely if we could keep it under wraps. I agreed. And that's the way the situation stayed until this past week. There. Happy? :)

6/19/2010 Ben Dutka

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Comments (159 posts)

Deleted User []
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:05:15 PM
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There's more to the Wii than Super Mario Galaxy 2. Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Paper Mario, House Of The Dead: Overkill, MadWorld, Metroid 3 and New Super Mario Brothers Wii are great games.

Still, there are always the long periods of zero games that interest me. That's why I've owned 4 Wiis; I keep selling it off as soon as there's nothing to play. I'm afraid I might be selling my current one off...only to buy a 5th one around Christmas.

Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a great game but it's nowhere close to being the greatest game ever.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:16:01 PM

If I ever got a Wii it would be for the Zelda games, I love me some Zelda. Though I know Ben hates the 3D Zeldas.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:58:22 PM

You're just saying more Mario and I've never been a fan of the new Zeldas and Metroids.

Trust me, if I was, I would've already had a Wii. Outside of their mascots, they really don't have any new games that seem appealing to me.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:26:17 PM

Yeah, there's a lot of Mario on the Wii. He seems to have a hold on me. Perhaps because he has never compromised on his beliefs like Miley Cyrus has. Or something else other than his games are addictive.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:46:54 AM

-World of Goo (fun PSN-like game)
-Okami (the Wii version is the best version)
-Cave Story (instant classic)
-Zack & Wiki (great platform game)
-Lostwinds: Winter of the Melodias (fun platform game which uses the Wiimote perfectly)
-Klonoa (remake) (a remake of the original masterpiece)
-Muramasa (BEST GAME EVER!)
-Red Steel 2 (it's actually really good)
-Rune Factory: Frontier (non-fighting rpg, but it's very fun, Harvest Moon anyone?)
-Tales of Symphonia 2 (yeah...)

The Wii's got some great games.

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Deleted User
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:05:31 AM

I forgot Punch-Out Wii. Another great game for the Wii. Wii Sports Resort is also excellent for what it is. There's also some great Virtual Console games out there.

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sobleck
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:49:59 PM

@Ben which Zelda disenchanted you? Ocarina of time is simply one of my favorites in both 3d and 2d, followed by ballad of the windfish. But I still enjoyed wind waker quite abit despite my skepticism for about 2-3 years after its release. When I finally played it for more than 30 mins, i loved it, and i even liked the phantom hourglass as well.

I'll admit, i didn't take a liking to link's last outing on the wii, but i haven't been able to play it for more than 15 minutes at a go since i don't have a wii.

P.S. I'll be stoked if you reply :D

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Mavfan321
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:01:00 PM

I love Zelda up until Ocarina of Time and can enjoy other Zelda games after but it seems like that series needs something completely new already. The newest Zelda doesn't look to be doing anything differently.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:46:15 PM

It was OoT that messed it up for me. IMO, Zelda is just one of those franchises that in my heart of hearts, should and always will be 2D.

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nogoat23
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 12:06:49 PM

Can't you borrow a Wii from someone? According to Nintendo's sales figures, if you don't own a Wii, you should know at least 10 other people that do.

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sobleck
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 7:11:43 PM

@Ben I'll admit, the 2d zeldas do make me feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside, and they do have a very different feel from the 3d ones, but I can't help but love both for the most part.

@No goat 23. Actually both my cousins have Wii's, but I've already got such a long queue of Games to purchase and to finish, I doubt borrowing it would do more than deprive either of them of their console for a few weeks with no real use of it coming from me. Ever since graduating from Uni and working full time, I haven't had as much time to game as I previously did.

As a result i've sort of loaned my Xbox 360 to one of my cousins and he's had it for so long that he's bought an extra controller for it and multiple games. I don't think i have the heart to take it away from him now, he not really a fan of his wii anymore, although his dad loves it. I'm currently focusing on ps3 and PC gaming for now.

P.S. Thanks for replying guys

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sobleck
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 7:11:49 PM

@Ben I'll admit, the 2d zeldas do make me feel 'warm and fuzzy' inside, and they do have a very different feel from the 3d ones, but I can't help but love both for the most part.

@No goat 23. Actually both my cousins have Wii's, but I've already got such a long queue of Games to purchase and to finish, I doubt borrowing it would do more than deprive either of them of their console for a few weeks with no real use of it coming from me. Ever since graduating from Uni and working full time, I haven't had as much time to game as I previously did.

As a result i've sort of loaned my Xbox 360 to one of my cousins and he's had it for so long that he's bought an extra controller for it and multiple games. I don't think i have the heart to take it away from him now, he not really a fan of his wii anymore, although his dad loves it. I'm currently focusing on ps3 and PC gaming for now.

P.S. Thanks for replying guys

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:06:42 PM
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Whoa, the Wii? Again...WHOA!

Hey, there are other games besides SMG2 that warrant a purchase.

Going to download Joe Danger tonight!

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:24:09 PM

Ben, Nintendo might use this endorsement in a coming ad campaign.

Ben from PSXExtreme : "I want a Wii!"

A $20.00 game I recommend from when the Wii first came out is Zack and Wiki. Very little known, but highly graded puzzle game.

Don't forget Wii New Super Mario Brothers. And if you have never played, you must get Pikmin 1 and 2. Originally for the Gamecube, but Pikmin 1 is now on the Wii, and Pikmin 2 is supposed to be release on the Wii. It is already in Japan. Pikmin 3 is due hopefully this year.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:02:10 PM

Joe Danger is awesomely awesome.

And yeah, trust me...if I get a Wii, I will have to search for other games to play besides just the one I bought it for.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:05:48 AM

Joe Danger is a blast, loving it.

With the Wii, you are in a position to really only worry about playing the best of the best though.

With your job, you have so many games on the PS3 monopolizing your time. When it comes to the Wii, you can afford to be choosy. In that sense, I would bet that you will likely grow quite a fondness for the Wii because your only experiences can be the true ACES of that system.

Now if it were your only system, and you had to reach on a lot of games trying to get your gaming fix, you would probably come away with a much different oppinion of it on a whole. They can't all be Triple A Nintendo Exclusive games!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:49:04 AM

It's just that with the PS3 and 360, I feel like I actually have cutting-edge AAA exclusives...with the Wii, it just feels like nostalgic, too-bad-they-can't-compete-but-they're-still-fun exclusives. ;)

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:53:29 AM

With your take on the matter, I get it, I respect it, and I wonder how you will feel after playing through the best of the best. Maybe it won't change at all. Nothing will be able to top Uncharted 2, but some of the games rank up there with some of the AAA bests for PS3 and Xbox, just not in the graphics department. And, I know that you don't play games JUST for the graphics.


I just ping'ed Jawknee that HELL hath freezeth over, Ben is going to dip his toe in the Wii waters.

I still can't believe it. When I read it, I blacked out for 10 minutes. When I came to, I re-read it to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. I blacked out again. I now have a concussion from hitting the floor with my head. I just learned Obamacare won't cover. Stay tuned.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:10:40 AM

lol Frozen over indeed.

Ben, anyone who likes plat-formers will like Mario Galaxy 2. Some of the level design are the best I've seen.

Other games i suggest:

Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Super Paper Mario
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition

I know you didn't like Ocarina of Time but if you can find a friend to loan you a copy of Twilight Princess, it's at least worth a try. :)

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:24:00 AM

Jawknee, I think he already played Twilight Princess a "Wii" bit on his brothers Wii. Not sure how many brothers he has, so I would auld assume it was none other than CharlesD's Wii. Don't think he much cared for it, if I recall.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:46:24 AM

Word.

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:42:03 AM

thats why i got my legend of zelda twilight princess for the gamecube. the guy from gamestop kept trying to push the wii version on me and went as far as to say that the gamecube version was canceled. i told him to look on their computer like they were taught to do when they dont know what they're talking about. sure enough, i got my copy. i also got a strategy guide but they only had wii strategy guides. i found it pretty weird that the maps in the wii strategy guide were the mirror opposite of the actual gamecube version of the game. guide says treasure chest is on the right, game puts the chest on the left side.

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frylock25
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:16:11 PM

@ john the reason the maps are reversed from what i remember is that they flipped everything so link would hold his sword in the hand you use your wii mote on the wii. im pretty sure that is why it wont match your wii guide

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:09:42 PM

Yup, Frylock is correct. Link has always been left handed but since the Wii seems to support a right handed configuration they had to make Link right handed.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:14:03 PM
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I bet Jaffe gave Campbell a good scoff in the head for that little slip up. Good thing for them that you stuck to your word, Ben.

So how did the exclusive interview come into play? A good faith offering from Eat/Sleep/Play? Extortion? Blackmail?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:59:13 PM

No, a straight-up good faith offering from them. Jaffe told me to contact him at E3.

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main_event05
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:46:19 PM

Awww, Extortion sounds so much better.

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main_event05
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:14:37 PM
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I'll be the first to say I'm not really upset about MGS Rising. just a little "cautious".

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Random_Steve
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:04:15 PM

it's by Kojima so i fully expect it to be at least good

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:43:32 PM

sigh....

it's not by Kojima. Hes not writing or directing the game. The only association he has with it is producer and his companies name on it. Hes left this game in the hands of an independent team and hes made that clear on a number of occasions. In fact he seems to distance himself from the game anyway he can when asked about it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:15:25 PM
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Well I was right about that little interview of yours was I? Good deal.

I'm not especially attached to MGS but it is sad to see a name used to sell something that doesn't appear to hold the core gameplay. Which is why I was disappointed with FFXIII too.

Juggling lots of games lately, another Heavy Rain playthrough, Fallout 3 DLC, RDR (which I am nowhere on) and I should finish the last battle on Star Ocean The Last Hope tonight or tomorrow. Ben, it's too bad you gave up on that one; it really is the best in the series despite a few flaws.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:44:48 AM

Update: FINALLY beat Star Ocean, that bad guy had millions of HP. Great ending. That's how you're supposed to make a JRPG.

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:45:44 AM

since i watched my brother beat the game and figuring out the plot half way through, i have no inclination of buying star ocean 4 right now. i was going to wait for the ps3 version which i knew was coming and was excited for it. then my brother who hates rpgs bought it. i started to loose interest as he kept playing. especially every time i heard that little girl talk.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:38:59 PM

meh, that's standard anime fare.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:16:43 PM
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Ben,
I know you probably won't, but you can always save a lot of money by going my route & just buy a used Wii system.

I'll bet there's millions of "hardly used" pristine condition Wii's sitting boxed up in someone's closet, just awaiting new adoption papers.
Just make sure to check that it came from a kids-free home.

That's exactly how I'm going to get my Wii later this year.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:28:33 PM

Thats what I did. A Wii, Two remotes+nunchucks, wii fit board, controller charger station, SSBB, all for $200, and this was almost a year ago. There were other games as well, but they werent good. I know Iron Man and Ultimate Alliance were two of em, there was one more that I can't remember. There is also a charger for the Wii Fit board and a cooling fan, but we haven't used either of those. I bought it from my boss. I think I went into too much detail.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:59:53 PM

It's a possibility. I have no concerns about Wii reliability, so I might do that.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:54:17 PM

They are very reliable. Had mine since launch. Only issue i seem to have is it takes longer to load the game the it used to and only sometimes does this occur.....and this is after my dog managed to snag a wire as he ran out from behind my TV yanking it to ground hard enough to crack the casing.

Still works.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 12:56:26 AM

Say what you will about Nintendo, but they have always made an unbreakable product.

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Bugzbunny109
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:22:09 PM
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I was really impressed with the Twisted Metal E3 demonstration. I can't wait until they announce the lauch date; or have they?

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frylock25
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:46:09 PM
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personal gaming update: i went and bought Heavy Rain, played for over 5 hours the first night and a few hours the next day. amazing!! then ironically we got a heavy rain and it wiped out power all over the place. i didnt have power for 2 days. that sucked, we lost a lot of frozen stuff and are forced to eat what isnt bad. well whatever. any way back to playing Heavy rain tonight i love the way the game is turning out.

still workin on mag also but my gf is tired of watchin me play that and really only that lately so i picked up heavy rain so she could enjoy it and she thinks its cool.

@ Ben you only want the wii for part 2? not the first one? if i ended up getting a wii i would score both of those and the other super mario bros game they made that looked cool.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:01:15 PM

Yeah, I might play them both. It would make no sense to me to own only one game for a system.

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frylock25
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:52:50 PM

Ben i want to say if you do score a wii and the mario games id like to hear your opinion on all of it. i kind of like the black wii and the mario games look cool. but maybe ill wait for it to be cheaper...

if you ended up scoring a wii and a few games, after playing them it might be cool to maybe do a little editorial on it. just an idea. you know it would not seem right to have a review like you do for Playstation stuff but throw up a random sunday editorial... kind of like the car stuff you guys are doing. we all love PS3 but we are all here for gaming.

if its good play it.

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:49:18 AM

man, i was blown away by the heavy rain story when i played it. after beating it the first time i thought WTF kind a game did i just play. i mean that in a good way of course.

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Shams
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:55:50 PM
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Super coverage on E3, Ben. You must've been exhausted.

Me, I'm psyched about Rising, too. I only got in to the series recently (a couple years back). I played MGS1 and MGS2 before I broke down and played MGS4. I was able to follow the story well enough, but I admit, I kinda felt a little burned out...like how you feel after an overnight cram session for a test back in the school days... They seem to be using the same graphics engine for Rising as they did for MGS4, except this time, there clearly is more of focus on action... The DVD-Nerf effect is gonna guarantee a downgrade in many things, though, like cut-scenes, and sound, and textures...but as long as the action is there, I'm good. I'm a total NG fan.

I'm enjoying ModNation Racers these days (beautiful game), and I'm playing through Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on Master Ninja difficulty, and I've remembered how much of an adrenaline rush that game packs...Awesome. I'm also playing LBP in chunks, and just finished my fourth playthrough of U2 on Crushing (that game never gets old). I'm thinking about playing Dead Space again, and I'm pondering over downloading Pixel Junk Shooter, Soldner-X series, and Joe Danger.

Oh, I also sold my 360. I figured my hands were full with my ps3 library (understatement), and I might as well get the most buck I can from trading my 360 2005 model now. Alan Wake, Mass Effect 3, and Gears 3 just didn't get me excited enough to keep it. Maybe, I'll pick up a used one later (preferably the new one).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:00:39 PM

I've considered selling the 360 in the past because it gathers more dust now than it used to. But it stays just for a few exclusives I really don't want to miss (Alan Wake, Gears, etc.)

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:08:38 AM

When I first played Gears 1, I was pleased. MS actually doubled the RAM of the 360's graphics card as per Cliffy B's request, and the game shows that. And Marcus Fenix was a cool character, in a selfless, man-of-few-words, heroic kind-of-way, and the new texture-rich world with the lens-magnification during the roadie-run was all very cool, and I was psyched about the sequel.

When I played the sequel, my hopes were up. The graphics were hardly an upgrade, but still impressive (like when you got to shoot up the brumac in the face, and see all the polygons fall like gravel). The game lacked the wow effect of a new game, because the world was the same, the whack-a-mole action quickly became repetitive, lacking variety, and the story felt tacked-on and it dragged on. It showed glimmers of inspiration at times (like the exchange between Marcus and Carlos that took place as they debated searching for Carlos's wife), but it just dragged on and got really dreary to the point where I ceased to care.

Mass Effect 2 was also cool, but I found myself pushing through everything to just to see the story play out, in the same way. And though I played through it twice, it wasn't exactly a memorable experience. It was plenty of fun while it lasted, doing upgrades, getting new skills and characters, and doing side-missions, but after wards, it just didn't leave enough of an impression.

The thing is, they both used the Unreal Engine, and the gameplay of both games reflected that, and it all felt the same. Characters are not very maneuverable, and so the actual gameplay just doesn't invoke as much fun as games like Uncharted 1 and 2, or inFamous do.

A.Wake seemed like a cool game, but I was expecting a survival-horror experience, and from the reviews, it seems less of a Dead Space and more like an action-adventure, almost like an Uncharted-in-the-dark, just not as polished. So, it's safe to say after playing Uncharted 2, A.Wake can't even hold up a candle. And so, I can pass.

And honestly, after Ninja Gaiden 2 got released on the ps3, I just didn't have enough reasons to keep it.

This may change though, depending on how good Gears 3 and Mass Effect 3 are. I may just get another 360. However, the problem with reviews for the 360 games, is they usually hype up the games unrealistically, like they're getting paid to do so. And user reviews (other than psxextreme's of course) are garbage, because they're either 10's or zeros. So I don't know. I'm more than happy with my current collection. But if MS manages to snag a couple of GOTY-worthy titles in the future, I may just have to try them out.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:43:45 AM

By the way Ben, I'm totally agree with you having all consoles. As a reviewer and journalist, having experience with all systems gives you a better idea of the general, industrial standards of quality, adding even more weight to your reviews, which works out for us, especially to those who happen to have multiple consoles.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:23:16 PM

Just to be geeky and specific. MS didn't double the video memory available to the graphics card in the 360. There is no video memory on the graphics card as such, because there is no graphics card. Both the CPU and GPU are integrated on the motherboard, the GPU isn't on an expansion card like in a PC.

The 360 uses a unified memory architecture with 512MB of RAM that is dynamically allocated depending on the video render mode that the developer uses. I'm not sure what it was that CliffyB asked MS to do, but they didn't do it, the architecture already allows a game developer to allocate as much as they want from the 512MB (minus the amount used by the resident portion of the OS).

The other RAM in the 360 is the embedded RAM in the GPU package. The so-called embedded RAM isn't embedded on the actual GPU die, it's on a daughter-board (or was, with the die shrinks they've done, it should be possible to put it on chip now). At the time it was implemented there was no way to include the embedded memory on the same physical chip as the GPU, it would have been nigh on impossible to manufacture. So the GPU is supplied as an integrated package with the embedded RAM embedded in the package that is then integrated as the GPU on the 360 motherboard.

But the thing is that RAM was sized to handle the full anti-aliasing of a full-resolution 576p image, not an HD resolution. Whether it's a coincidence or not I don't know, but the limitation of the 'free' anti-aliasing and other tricks that the embedded RAM allows is 576p resolution (or there abouts), and not an HD resolution like 720p. A very curious decision really.

Anyway, whatever it is that CliffyB was supposed to have asked for, more embedded RAM on the GPU would have been a great idea.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 7:55:16 PM

My bad on the terminology. Just before release, 360 had only 256MB for Shared Allocated RAM to be used by it's ATI Graphics Chip. Cliffy B asked for 512MB instead, and demoed what Gears would look like before and after the upgrade to MS big suits. So the head of MS Gaming division conceded, but said that his request would cost MS 1 billion dollars more. Cliffy B's response was that request will sell 1 billion more xboxes.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:51:29 PM

Shams: I've always been interested in the best of the best. I don't care if I have to play it on a toaster.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:56:49 PM

@Shams,

OK. But as far as I know the system was always designed to have 512MB of RAM. I'll have to go back and do some research, as far as I can remember the design for the 360 always included 512 MB of ram, it may have been limited to 256/256 with a hard partition. I'll have to check for my own reference. What MS may have done is removed a 'hard' partitioning and allowed dynamic reconfiguration of the memory half and half between the GPU and CPU or something.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:14:15 PM

Here you go, Highlander: http://planetgearsofwar.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=2

There's a short description under the section titled "Emergence" that details the last minute change in RAM. Not very technical, but does mention the change from 256MB to 512MB.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:38:25 PM

@Highlander: Please refer to the link above. It doesn't get technical, but it covers the last minute change in the 360 design pre-release.


@Ben: Yeah, i hear ya. But I don't eat burned toast. Gears2 was burned toast. Halo was the closest thing to first-party excellence that was available on the 360, and now that series is burned toast, too. So I'll stick with the reliable toaster...the one that consistently turns out first-party exclusives.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:36:54 PM

Thanks Shams, I will read them. there were so many changes in the final spec of the 360 that happened, there were changes to 'announced' features such as the inclusion (or not) of an HDD with every model as well. But I shall definitely read the article. Thanks.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:54:21 PM

You're more than welcome, Highlander, but I suspect you're right about that whole partition business. By the way, how's the Missus doing? I trust things are looking bright?

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Highlander
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:01:16 AM

Thanks for asking Shams, she's doing well. Hopefully the doctor this week will tell us that everything is going well, and we can begin to relax.

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Temjin001
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:37:17 AM

Shams, Nice clarification on the 360 memory boost leading up to it's launch. I remember distinctly when the upgrade went into effect. In fact, there was an interview with Itagaki (Team Ninja) that asked what he thought of the RAM upgrade while developing DOA4 and the interviewer stated that tears came to Itagaki's eyes while responding to the question.
I still believe to this day that 360's longer term success has been majorly affected by that one decision to double the RAM.

Also, I hope you the best on completing Sigma 2 on Master Ninja. I haven't owned up to tackling that mode as of yet.

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Shams
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 10:45:22 AM

@Temjin: Exactly! I'm glad I'm not the only one whose thought to himself along those lines. That critical change in RAM that Cliffy B advocated I'm sure brought tears to many eyes in the industry, and is the major reason of 360's success with 3rd party developers. However, it allowed them to be inefficient, which is why we still see that despite having virtually doubled amount of RAM at their disposal, their games still don't approach the excellence of the likes of Sony's first party exclusives.


Oh, and Sigma 2 on Master Ninja is a real hair-puller. I've never thrown a controller in all my years of gaming, but I had to resist punching the ground a couple of moments this time. Resaving at save-points, and reserving heal-points is extra critical at this level of difficulty (where only a single hit can spell death), and for that reason, requires a lot of backtracking. Although I haven't really played much of Demon's Souls, I imagine it's a very similar experience in this regard.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 @ 3:15:02 PM

Shams, yah I can imagine. I have a buddy who has completed it on Master Ninja. And he described times where he wanted to pound his head against the wall in frustration. I determined then it probably wasn't going to be healthy for me to attempt it =p
But props to whoever can get through it.
Have you tried the original NG2 on Mentor, worse yet, Master NInja? I started my way through on Mentor and it was pretty aggravating. Definitely harder than Sigma 2's mentor difficulty.

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Shams
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 @ 11:12:06 AM

Yup, I finished Mentor in NG2, and was about halfway through on Masters when Sigma 2 came out. One difference in gameplay I noticed (besides the obvious additions/omissions of blood, moves, weapons, gameplay modes, areas, characters and bosses) is that though there are couple more enemies typically in the busier battles, they tend to just circle and swarm you and spam projectiles, while in Sigma 2 it's obvious that the AI was totally redone, and enemies appear strikingly methodical, pacing, feigning, and luring, like they were in Sigma. The bosses seem to be a bit more forgiving, and the standard fights are more involving, and entertaining for that reason. So while NG2 was a nightmare on the harder difficulties, where you rush through the standard fare of enemies while worrying about the impending stress of the boss battles, Sigma 2 is just a more enjoyable experience the whole way through, in addition to being much better looking with upgraded textures

So overall, as petty-minded as it seems, that is the primary reason I traded-in my 360. My favorite game on the 360 came to the ps3 even better than before.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 10:58:55 PM
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There were so many great games shown at E3 I'm still in unbelief. Being a supporter of the 3 major consoles it's almost overwhelming.
Many games looked better than I anticipated.

For PS3 I thought Gran Turismo 5, KZ3, Twisted Metal, and Infamous 2 all looked great. And I like the more gamer-centric angle that Sony took when introducing the E3 crowd to Move technology. However, I'm concerned about the quantity of quality software that will be available for the peripheral.

Being a fan of MGS since PSX I don't really don't mind Rising's unique design. Playing as Raiden in MGS2 just made me want to play as Snake. However, after viewing the awesome abilities Raiden learned since then in MGS4 I totally welcome a game that will cut out a unique slice of the MGS universe for Raiden-pun intended =p

For 360. Gears 3 impressed me. I was beginning to think the series was about to hit a wall in ingenuity, but Gears 3 is looking very nice indeed. I also dig the organic lush looking levels. And despite the totally sub-par Halo ODST I have faith the series can still pull off a great game. For me, I still can't tell yet if Halo Reach will be a homerun, or merely a ball hit in deep outfield.


I haven't played through a Zelda since Ocarina of Time and when I started reading about the new Zelda's one-to-one combat motion tracking I became pretty interested. Though, after watching the E3 demonstration of the game the combat still looked real rough and surprisingly difficult for even the creator to control.. I have my doubts that the Wii's now dated control interface can handle what they're trying to achieve.
I will say that the new 3DS has me a lot more intrigued now that I've seen what it can do. I wouldn't have ever expected it but their are some real good quality games coming down the pipeline for it. MGS3, Ninja Gaiden, DOA are a few that took me by surprise. It also helps that most hands-on impressions I've read are very positive. The Digital Foundry has noted that the 3D display is surprisingly impressive.

My only real disappointment was that PSP2 was a no show.
How can I fend off wanting to buy a 3DS in favor for a PSP2 when Sony hasn't given me a glimpse of why I should hold out.
I also would've liked to have seen something PS3 from Insomniac, and Tecmo.

Okay, I've rambled on and on and strayed from the topic.


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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 7:15:48 PM

Hey Highlander, these are for you!!!!

BTW, Being a non-techie, reading this was mostly "all Greek to me", so the article gave me a serious case of brain-freeze.

But with your background, I know you'll handle it just fine & You'll keep sucking on that oversized "straw of knowledge". LOL

And hopefully these articles will give you that much more ammo against MS.
"so...."Lock & load"!

Inside the Xbox 360, : procedural synthesis and dynamic worlds (Part I)

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/05/xbox360-1.ars

Inside the Xbox 360, Part II: the Xenon CPU

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/06/xbox360-2.ars


And just for an extra case of "s***z & giggles",
Just look how far we've come since the PS 1 days(as this article was written in 2000, just before the PS2 was coming out).....

The PlayStation2 vs. the PC: a system-level comparison of two 3D platforms

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2000/04/ps2vspc.ars

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Highlander
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 1:06:07 AM

Thanks Biker, I'll add those links to my reading list for tomorrow. I think I remember the Arstechnica series on the 360's GPU, but it's been a while so I'll read through it regardless.

BTW the most interesting thing about the PS2/PC comparison article is that it was written 10 years ago and yet it could be written today as a comparison of the PS3 and PCs. In fact almost the same breakdown of how PS3 games would work was written in 2005/2006 when the PS3 design became more widely known.

I remembering arguing with all and sundry that the PS3 was an evolution in architectural terms of the PS2. Granted the processor is lots of times faster and has a higher clock, but the approach of making an architecture focused on moving streams of data through the system is precisely what the PS3 and Cell BE are designed to do.

I've long said that PS2 developers really should already have had the mindset required for PS3 development, and I still maintain that is the case. The PS2 had a MIPs core with two independently programmable vector units in addition to the Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) design ethos. The PS3 has a single PowerPC core with 9 independently programmable vector units (7 of which are SPEs, and two are the dual issue VMX units in the PowerPC core), the CellBE is specifically designed to be a SIMD powerhouse.

Sony has been very consistent in their approach, I wonder why is is that so many people do not see this?

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kraygen
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:01:42 PM
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I'm not a MGS life long player, my first was MGS4 and I'm sorry the gameplay graphics for rising aren't as good as MGS4. Secondly it's just a hack n slash.

Rising will be on both consoles, but it will sell less than MGS4. That's my prediction.

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natho86
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:31:33 PM

I think it will sell pretty good especially that its going to have 40 mil extra console owners who have a chance to pick it up. Granted i dont belive it will be the same class that MGS 4 was but i have hopes for it to be a good game.

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BikerSaint
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 5:43:33 PM

Highlander,
I forgot to mention in that 360 links post above, that those specs links are for the new 360 SQUAT(I refuse to call it a "slim")

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:23:02 PM
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I'm in for Rising.

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mehrab2603
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:25:00 PM
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Didn't anybody like the new NFS trailer?

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natho86
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:33:27 PM

Hell yeah that was pretty sweet, glad that they have taken it back to Hot Pursuit very good move for the series.

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FM23
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:26:22 AM

I sure as hell loved the NFS trailer. I grew up on Twisted Metal, but for some reason, I am not as hyped up for it as I thought I would. Hot Pursuit was a big part of my childhood and I am stoked for that game...don't know why. I don'r mind the new take on MGS as I grew up on that too, but if the melee controls are as complicated as MGS4, this game might be a workout...lol. Hope Rising delivers, as well as that Transfomrmers game next week.

@Ben, Mafia II didn't impress you? Are you going to review Transformers WFC?(Would love your input)

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:55:53 AM

i just find it funny that theyre using the title need for speed hot pursuit again. i remember playing need for speed hot pursuit back in the ps1 or ps2 days, i dont remember when exactly. i think you could unlock that el nino car too. using the same name kinda leads me to believe is a remake of that game.

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SoulController
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:29:26 PM
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First FF and now MGS! WTF! I understand the neccesity of having to keep a series fresh but these japanese developers need to stop! They are completely out of touch and dumbing down all of the classic series. RE5 too is one game a lot peeps forget totally got stupified.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, June 19, 2010 @ 11:34:09 PM

MGS Rising isn't a dumbing down of the series as far as I can tell, just a different direction for one game. If Kojima decides that he wants to make another MGS for PS3, I'd guarantee that it would be up to par with his other works.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:39:50 AM

How is rising not a dumbing down? The gameplay has transitioned to "slice everything in the environment".

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:54:54 AM

I agree with Guernica here, it's not necessarily a dumbing down of the franchise, just a different take on it. (That's from a gameplay perspective of course, the story is another matter entirely.)
Peace.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:14:38 AM

They are taking a unique franchise and turning it into a hack n' slash with little emphasis on story.

I'd say thats a dumbing down.

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GuernicaReborn
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:50:07 AM

Well, the way I see it is that I thought it would be cool to do a couple missions as Raiden in MGS4. If Kojima has enough confidence in his team to take this project on, then I'm willing to give it a shot and stay open-minded. And Jawk, how do you know there will be little emphasis on story?

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:00:11 AM

kojima is just there for pr and to fool people by putting his name out there with a metal gear that he basically have nothing to do with. he looked like he hated to be on the microsoft stage for e3 both this year and last year. i man all the guy did this year was introduce the director of rising for a "passing of the torch." kojima wanted to be on that microsoft stage like how Gabe wanted to be on the ps3 stage after being introduced to Kevin Butler, VP of sharpening things.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:48:48 AM

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/7290.html

from the horses mouth.

MGS is a series with humor, deep story telling, deep character developement and unique gameplay. All those things are being taken away from the franchise with this installment. They are callig it a spin off while tryig to fit it in the MGS time line. We have another FFXIII on our hands. Jap devs want more western sales so they tale their unqiue games and turn them into cruddy, bloody action games. It sounding to me nothing more then a hack n slash with non of the Kojima story tellig greatness.

Also this 'cut where you will" feature they are hyping sounds nothing more then Dead Eyeish system but with your sword instead of a gun.

I'll still play the game, though I probay won't be getting it on day one.

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GuernicaReborn
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:52:06 PM

I know John, but do you think he would let a team he didn't trust do a game for his franchise? I don't. Besides, Kojima isn't gonna live forever. Maybe his successor is working on Rising right now.

Well, I'm gonna give it a chance, you guys obviously don't have to agree with that.

And Jawk, you haven't been approved by a mod yet. I'm guessing you posted a link to a quote about little emphasis on story, right? I don't remember hearing anything about that but I haven't been following MG:Rising news too closely so I very easily could have missed it.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:13:21 PM

Yea, i just linked the article about Rising from PSX a few days ago. You can find it if you scroll down a bit on the main page. From what they are saying it sounds like we are not going a very deep story like most MGS games have.

Not saying it wont have one just that it wont be what we are used to with MGS. Good or bad? i don't know i guess, but since Kojima isn't writing or directing the game, i have a feeling bad.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:23:52 AM
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Hmm.....but isn't MGS Rising a spin-off?
Unlike FFXIII which was a main series in the franchise.

And so Ben, you mean they never intended to let you know about the exclusive but they slipped it out instead?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:49:42 AM

Right.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:16:13 AM

Well they are claiming that it takes place after MGS2 and before MGS4 and if you recall Raiden talked about how he spent his time after the Big Shell incident trying to save Sunny from the Patriots. Thats when he was captured and turned into that cyborg.

Sounds like its apart of the story arch to me.

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Axe99
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:42:02 AM
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I'd urge caution before getting a Wii - if you grew up with Mario and have an emotional attachment to him, SMG was undoubtedly a great game, but if you didn't, then it was a platformer that didn't match the standards of the top-tier PS2 platformers (Sly and R&C 3), beyond the visual presentation. And that's without taking into account the impact of the inaccuracy of Wii's motion controls on the precision of your waggle attacks. I've got a Wii (got if for SMG, in fact, but also gave MP:Corruption a run), and I wouldn't go near it again unless I was paid too - the Wiimote was imprecise and buggy, the wireless connection last-gen and very low range.

Not saying you shouldn't get it, but I'd much rather you went in with low expectations and enjoyed it, rather than listened to the hype and were disappointed with the reality, because the distance between Ninty's hype and reality is comparable to the distance between the Earth and the Moon!

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:42:13 AM
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Oh Ben, no matter how burned out you are, you know that it would be all but impossible for any person to speak entirely using monosyllablic words. I tried it. I only lasted about ten minutes...

Rising interests me because I like hack 'n' slash titles and I love MGS. However I imagine there is reason, much like yours. I only played Sons of Liberty about two months before MGS4 was released and I have consequently purchased MGS4, subsistence and substance and am on the look-out for a copy of the original. 'twould be so much easier if I had an e-bay account I imagine.

As for FFXII, never played the earlier ones, but the ATB annoys me. Is it turn-based masquerading as real-time, or the other way around? Press X four times, watch the actions, get destroyed as you wait for the bar to fill again, rinse and repeat ad nauseum. I know it'll fill out and get more complex later on, but right now... meh.

E3 is just great. The whole thing. But if I had to say a highlight, it would be the announcement of a release date for GT5, I finally have a concrete reason to get an internet connection, if only to find out if a good friend of mine was lying when skiting up how good he is.

As for your Wii situation, I'm keeping out of it. It doesn't seem worth it to me. A bunch of great Mario games, a hundful of other good to great games and a landfills worth of shovelware, not to mention a hundred and one useless peripherals. I'll stay happy with my PS3, and maybe, just maybe the Move later on this year.

Personal update.
I finally finished Lolita and switch to the Time Ships. I need to get more books next time I'm in the city...
I finish another segment of Once Were Brothers, bringing the page total up to 157-ish, I don't know. Writing it by hand and with all the half pages it makes it difficult to count properly. With that done, I take a sabbatical from it to go back to Winding Paths. (My stories.)
I finished watching the first season of Dead Like Me, and have started on the second.
Got out of Mexico in RDR, wondering how much longer to go. Played about an hour and half of FFXIII, didn't like it a great deal, and will continue playing it in pieces until I finish RDR and Valkyria Chronicles.
Helped Dad make the gate to keep the dog in, 'twas quite fun. And have had a rather nasty head cold (or perhaps something more sinister, my throat is killing me) for the last couple of days. Also, work sucks. That is all.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 12:55:31 AM

I hated Lolita. Can't figure out the worldwide fascination with it. I can recommend some excellent classics; personal favorites include Eliot, Wharton, Marquez, Mann, Tolstoy, Collins, Thoreau, Woolf, etc.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:02:51 AM

I just liked that it offered up a completely different perspective that most anything else I've read before.

I've got One Hundred years of Solitude on my shelf over there. I've been looking for Love In The Time Of Cholera, Cat's Cradle, War and Peace, The Waste Land, Odyssey, The Divine Comedy, Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, Paradise Lost and Dorian Grey among others, but I'll take any suggestions whatsoever.

Thanks, I'll make sure to write those down somewhere and keep an eye out for them.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:50:14 PM

Both Solitude and Cholera are unbelievable, although Divine Comedy is daunting for just about anyone. As for War and Peace, I would suggest reading Anna Karenina first; if you like that work by Tolstoy, you'll be much better off for starting his definitive saga. Anna remains one of my favorite characters in literature.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 2:05:58 AM

Is Commedia as daunting as Ulysses? Because I swear, I tried like all hell to read that, but had to give up halfway. It kept throwing me off. I might try again in a year's time or so, but for now, that's a no go zone.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 10:15:52 AM

Far more difficult than Ulysses, although I suppose it depends on which versions you're reading of each.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:53:30 AM
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Twisted Metal ps3 will be amazing

People need to understand that these guys want a fun game. This is coming from the guy who made God of War and from a guy who made Warhawk (FUN game).

Of course, they also created Twisted Metal so they know what's fun 'bout the real TM experience.

There will be a lot of twisted destruction when the game comes out. Hope to see more of it as the year goes by.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:01:35 AM

I know man can u imagine TM with all the ps3 power thats amazing, and online is just the cheery on top.

As for Wiii, I dunno never been a fan of mario ever, Zelda has a good story but the gameplay doesn't entice me . so no Wii for me

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:05:49 AM

i liked that team mode they showed, nuke. but i want to know how that ends up with regular gamers playing it. that missile area should be pretty big because you'll have everyone in there. plus i'm also unsure of the sniper thing in the game. i see a lot of camping going on with people just using sniper rifles. i want to see more info on how that works because when they showed it, it didnt look like it took much skill to snipe someone.

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___________
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:09:28 AM
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im really looking forward to metal gear rising the footage they showed at E3 was really impressive!
i was really disappointed by E3 this year, where are all the big blockbuster announcements?
crytek making a 360 exclusive was a shock, cant wait to find more about that.
twisted metal i cant wait for, its about time they brang back the king of car combat.
but besides those E3 gave me nothing.
E3 normally explodes with blockbuster announcements, like last year both sony and M$ had like 5 each.
this year we only got 3 out of the both of them!

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Snaaaake
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:22:51 AM
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If I were you Ben, I'd ask to get the copy of Twisted Metal EARLIER than EVERYONE.

Make that 1 month earlier XD.

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GuernicaReborn
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:05:30 PM

Yeah! Exclusive EARLY Review, only at PSXExtreme!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:48:25 PM

Trust me, I'll be requesting early. ;)

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FxTales
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:30:07 AM
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Can't imagine it's a favour they will forget.

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 3:33:14 AM
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by the way, they finally added final fantasy IX on psn.

the last zelda game i bought was twilight princess for the gamecube. I love the zelda franchise, in fact, its my top franchise of all time. I'm definitely buying legend of zelda skyward sword on day 1, limited edition? bring it on, i dont care. this is the only game franchise i would buy a wii for but since my sister has one, i dont need to waste money on it.

I usually only buy ps3 games because thats the only system i completely own. my bro owns the 360 and my sister owns the wii. i never buy a game for a system i dont own even if i have unlimited access to one. why? because when my idiot brother sold his wii, my mario galaxy game was still inside of it. and knowing my brother, i'm never getting that back. so even though i want to try out a game for the wii or 360, i'm not going out of my way to buy it with my own money. but for legend of zelda, i'm willing to make a day 1 exception.

by the way, i was trying to find out what that lemon comment was about after kevin butlers monologue and somehow i ended up on a nintendo forum. wow, they really hate kevin butler over there, hahaha. i think it was an official nintendo website forum too. people just cant take a joke.

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sawao_yamanaka
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 7:23:33 AM

If I remember it was a reference to the modnation match kevin and jack tretton where having. It was a funny commercial.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:00:53 PM

John, I don't think, or at least I can't ever remember, Nintendo making any kind of limited edition for anything. Can you?

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:42:24 PM

I don't believe Nintendo has ever done a special edition Zelda. If they did i would own them all.

HA!

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:07:35 PM

i had a gold case legend of zelda 2. i think i have a gold cartridge majoras mask or ocarina of time but i cant remember which one since i cant find it right now. thats as close to a limited edition i've had with zelda games.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:10:03 PM

For Ocarina of time there was a "gold" Limited Edition cartridge ;)

Which I have

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:35:23 PM

I thought just about every release when Nintendo still used the cartridge format was gold?

Now that i think about it I do remember the Gold being Limited for Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, so i suppose those count as Special.

I still have my NES The Legend of Zelda Gold cartridge. Still works too.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:06:32 PM

My NES Legend of Zelda is gold too. I doubt they made anythine OTHER than gold though.

So is that all you get with a "special edition", a little gold coloring? Blah! I'm surprised they don't make special editions, that are actually...special?

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:26:37 PM

I have Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition if that counts for anything, has "The Legend of Zelda", "Zelda II: The Adventure of Link", "The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time", "The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask"

All packed into one disc, it's pretty neat. I also bought Twilight Princess a couple months ago. And what's funny is that i never liked any of the Zelda game's until i actually had some quality time with them and I'm loving it.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:04:45 PM

Clamedeus proves my point

A lot of you sound like you've never played a Zelda game through and THROUGH

It's like some of you just watch some of it at Gamestop and start bashing it.

To enjoy a Zelda you gotta give it the same respect you give a Final Fantasy

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:13:36 PM

@scarecrow Indeed that's what i did, you really have to have hands on experience with it, and then you will enjoy it. But the only thing i didn't like was the cartoon feel to the graphics but it doesn't bother me anymore. It's still fun though.

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Vivi_Gamer
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:00:25 AM
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Not all long-time FF fans found Final Fantasy XIII disappointing, In fact I found it one of the most exhilarating experiences I have had in a game this gen. But I am going to save the rant; I have been through it far too many times already...

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:11:20 AM
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you know what irritates me, sony can come up with amazing games with great stories but why dont they have a game that stands toe to toe with Legend of Zelda. i mean i dont mind if they use their formula of dungeon after dungeon with a new item in each one. if they have a good story to go along with it, that great. link is hyrulian, call their main character an elf for all i care. with the sword, shield, and other various gadgets they can make a zelda game set in king arthurs timeline. they can even use magics.

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JackC8
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:59:33 AM

I've been thinking the same thing - if Sony wants the Move to be a success with casual gamers, they need to create a big name AAA franchise aimed at them and advertise the living crap out of it.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:06:58 PM

So agree. If they could make a Zelda style game, with the graphics of Uncharted 2? Dungeons, forests, mountains, gigantic creatures. I would love to see it.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 1:43:59 PM

Without the creative direction they have over there at Nintendo though, not sure, what ever Sony does, would or could compare.

Here hoping I'm wrong though and Sony surprises us with something to complete with Zelda.

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Mavfan321
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:04:15 PM

Not too sound like I'm hating on Zelda once again but Zelda has followed a very familiar gaming arch since A Link to the Past, nothing too creative about that. I love Zelda but once more I have to say I would like to see the game changed a lot to keep my interest in it. Not just better motion controls and brighter graphics oh and random new items that serve the purpose of hitting switches and enemies.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 2:35:32 PM

They have kept a lot of the same mechanics i agree but they always come up with new tool and interesting ways to use them along with great new bosses, environments and story telling.

Which is top notch in my opinion.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:26:32 PM

John,

No offense, but what precisely makes Zelda unique in terms of game play? I mean characters are one thing, but you have basically said that Sony should do a zelda style game in HD. Considering the scale of Uncharted - for example - I can't see what more you want than what there already is? What is it that needs to be done?

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 7:58:59 PM

Highlander, I didn't quite understand your comment. Since Uncharted has been made, we are all supposed to be satisfied? Now Sony doesn't have to come out with anything else? If we want a Zelda like game on our PS3, you would say here you go, and plop Uncharted 2 in our hands? I get the feeling you have not played a Zelda game before?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:47:49 PM

"Toe to toe with Zelda?"

...what are you kidding me?

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:01:38 PM

@Worst,

If you just want an argument you'll need to look elsewhere. The comment was made "you know what irritates me, sony can come up with amazing games with great stories but why dont they have a game that stands toe to toe with Legend of Zelda."

My question was what about Zelda makes it so unique or different to games like Uncharted that Sony somehow can't come up with it. I don't see it. Sure Zelda is a different story and character set and genre, but the comment was made and I was asking. If you want to take that as being anti-Nintendo, that's fine, but I suspect you need another comment forum for that attitude.

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MyWorstNightmar
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:50:38 PM

Highlander, very interesting. The impression you give (to me anyway) is you can question others, and you are not arguing, but if others question you, they are looking for an argument?

I dunno. Your comment was strange, and I explained why I thought it was strange. No harm no foul.

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johnld
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:55:34 PM

@highlander and ben

let me be clear by what i meant toe to toe with zelda. it may be a poor choice of words on my part. I wasnt saying that zelda is the best game out there. i just meant that they would make a zelda like game, gameplaywise and of course the zelda type feel to it. i didnt say it was unique at all. i just wanted that zelda type of experience on the ps3. i didnt mean to say that zelda completely wipes the floor out of every game out there. quality wise i know uncharted beats zelda hands down. but for me, theres always room for a zelda game.

I love all the games that sony came out with so far like uncharted series, killzone 2, and metal gear among other things. but the closest i came to that zelda feeling was 3d dot game heroes and that was basically a homage to the old 2d zelda games. i cant really put into words why i love zelda games. all i can say is that i'm definitely buying it. i love the story (granted that its not the best out there)and the gameplay. its just that when i play any zelda game, i feel pretty good. i dont care how old it looks or that its not in HD, i just love playing it. I'm even planning to play the every game in that zelda collection for gamecube, windwaker, and twilight princess back to back. Sure the basic premise is princess is taken, you enter a dungeon, get new item, repeat till the last dungeon, final boss. but that for me is fine. i'd play it and have no problem with it. I will freely admit that Zelda is my #1 franchise of all time but there are a lot of other amazing games out there and some if not most are better than zelda quality. zelda is zelda to me, it doesnt matter how old it is, i'll still play it and have fun.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:44:22 PM

@Worst,

If you want an argument go for it.

As for Zelda, I played Ocarina of Time and wasn't that impressed with it. Granted it was a *long* time ago. However as I remember the game play it was almost like a 3D action platformer and not so much like an RPG. I just don't see or remember anything in a zelda game that is either revolutionary, or different to what we've got now. Granted characters and story are different, but other than that a cartoony action adventure plays very like a cartoony action adventure/platformer such as R&C. You may disagree, but I've yet to hear anything that tells me what it is that anyone thinks Sony should do to somehow emulate Zelda.

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Zorigo
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:12:23 AM
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i like how Gabe was worried because Kevin Butler was the VP of sharp things :D

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JackC8
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:57:01 AM
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I feel the same way about the Final Fantasy franchise as you do about Metal Gear Solid Ben - I came to the franchise very late (XII was my first), so I don't mind the new direction. FFXIII is sitting on my shelf, next in the queue.

I ordered a 500 GB drive for my PS3 this week, so I've been transferring all the data off the old drive - on my 2 GB thumb drive lol. Even though the only stuff left is a few copy-protected game saves, a TV show and maybe a few themes (oh, and the Killzone 2 game install), it's still got around 4-5 GB worth of stuff on it, so I had to order an 8 GB thumb drive to back that stuff up. I'll be waiting excitedly for the mailman to arrive each day this week :)

Been playing Killzone 2 all week. I'm not a huge shooter fan, but it's pretty fun. Excellent combat mechanics and a good variety of environments and situations to keep me entertained.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:24:49 PM

What drive did you opt for? There is a 500GB WD drive designed for extra reliability and to be extra quiet and cool that I've been looking at. But I haven't made the purchase yet. My existing 320GB drive has been throwing errors and needs to be given a low level surface scan and low level reformatting.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:37:27 PM

Highlander, is there any benefit to one brand or another?

I was going to get a Samsung HDD but people seemed to think it was a piece on Amazon. The 500gb, 5400 rpm Toshiba HDD seemed to be the more favored one. Couldn't really tell why other then reliability from the Amazon forums.

Samsung usually makes solid stuff but i went with the Toshiba instead.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:58:42 PM

Stick with the tier 1 manufacturers and you should be good. I usually check the reviews of the items on multiple retailer sites and check somewhere like Tom's Hardware Guide for a comparative review of 2.5 inch SATA drives. You should be able to make a good choice that way. My PC has two WD drives, one SATA and one IDE. Both are well over 5 years old and used daily and have never given me an ounce of trouble.

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Riku994
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 8:56:55 AM
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Ben if you're into the medical field at all or youre just looking for a half decent wii game to look into, you should look up trauma team. It's not bad.

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XxNoir
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:04:55 AM
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I may be an odd ball but i got into the final fantasy franchise pretty late(bought FF8 off the the PSN store this past january) & i was still disappointed with final fantasy 13.Guess i must have played one the best in the series huh.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:04:28 PM

as I'm concerned u already played the best u should try the next best: ffvi then ffX and finally ffvii. but 8 was so awesome. have u read the theory that after the second disk when squall gets killed by edea it was all a flashback before he dies, to me that what made it 10 times better, not to forget Zell and selphie bickering.

The game was awesome, gameplay,story and characters wise, played it over 6 times on PS1 just to get doomtrain :). the only game with Uncharted that I have beating more than once

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Gone
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:37:06 AM
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I will Xbox your Wii if you take away my PS3.

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Gone
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:45:15 AM

C'mon it was just a joke, I am not bashing anyone's system. To each is their own.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:09:00 PM

dont worry we have some douches in here but most ppl are cool, take it from the master, ppl will downvote u for the simplest reasons man...to lift ur sprit up here is 2 thumbs up :)

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eLLeJuss
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:45:25 AM
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Heyyy im a long time fan of FF series and I didn't think ffxiii was disappointing. I Felt disappointed at FFXII, and alot of fans were too.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:36:28 PM

Its a hit or miss i suppose. I'm the complete opposite.

Loved every Final Fantasy I've played, even XII but i think i hate XIII.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:46:57 PM

ellejuss

Same here I didn't play it that long as my Ps3 in another continent but I kinda enjoyed what i played, does it rank among the best ,hell no, is it enjoyable hell yeah, it's different than all other ff (didn't play 12 my ps2 died ) .

Jawknee

still giving me the silent treatment .Lmfao
doesn't sure look like silent treatment if u are downvoting everything I say

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:53:25 PM

When have you said anything to me that required a response?

Hardly giving you the silent treatment when there's no comment to respond too. Silly comments like the one above TEG is the reason people thumb you down. If you don't have anything relevant to the topic at hand to say to me please don't post it.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:08:44 PM

JAw would u for f**k sake chill man, this aint a braniac group, I said what I had to say, i responded to a comment should I name some facts and stuff so ur majesty could agree, then I tried to mend some fences but apparently with this response Ur being a B**ch so have it ur way mr..

P.s. I don't care for the voting system anymore, if i'm not crossing the line (insulting anybody) I know they are just haters.

would u care to elaborate how my comment is silly ???

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 12:54:36 AM

Stop.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:06:34 PM
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God dammit I just saw videos of TM, Ben please let me have the early copy and do the review I can give u the review right now.

review rundown

we start with the name of the game which is TM then we jump to a complete 10 ..... satisfied :)

its like crack to me

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:20:31 PM
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Zelda and Metal Gear Solid are like

If you complain 'bout Zelda's gamepaly you also have to complain 'bout MGS's gameplay, or even Resident Evil.

Funny, the Zelda games introduce more new gameplay tools and strategies than a lot of games out there.
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I believe many here don't even play the Zelda games are just bad-mouthing it from what they see on youtube or any other site.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:38:30 PM

I like your comparison. They have both kept a consistent formula while introducing new tools, ways to use them, bosses and good story telling.

People who want Zelda to change should also be consistent and welcome change in MGS via Rising.

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 4:42:29 PM

scarecrow

I never badmouthed it. As I said before I'm not a big fan of nintendo so I can't Judge them

P.S. I have tried some Mario and zelda games but never truly played any they bore me to hell I'm a Sonic kindda guy

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Alienange
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:49:06 PM
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Joe Danger? Color me confused. You reviewed Joe Danger before ModNation Racers?

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:54:57 PM

I imagine Joe Danger might take less time to review?

Seems to be a much smaller game no?

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Scarecrow
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 5:55:15 PM

I still don't get it either...

It's like neither Ben or Arnold (or John) like Modnation

I know they don't have unlimited income either. But Modnation's a game we all wanted to see a review of...

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TEG3SH
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:04:42 PM

Modnation is the best kart-go game ever, believe me u don't need a review,

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Alienange
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 6:35:03 PM

You'd think they'd have time for the PS3 exclusives at the very least no?

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ryu
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:02:03 PM
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whatever the crap happen to that Tri-Ace announcement?!?!? i thought they were up to something!

you lied to meeeeee~!!!!!!!!.....

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kraygen
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:17:04 PM
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Why hasn't this been shown anywhere Ben? You need to make a post directly for this. Check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O6E46S/ref=s9_al_ft_i6?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_r=00BEHQ1FB1W0B38MMX7V&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=1266691142&pf_rd_i=1000510541

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:51:54 PM

Yeah, just did a story on it now. It's starting to make the rounds.

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:56:18 PM

Sweetness!

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Shams
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 11:57:53 PM

Now it makes perfect sense why Sony never opted for a first-party mouse/dongle for the shooters. They had something better in store for us!

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Snaaaake
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 9:38:57 PM
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Does anyone thinks that FF Versus XIII will be shown at TGS?
Though chances are slim but I'm still hoping for a gameplay footage.

And I'm very interested to Kojima's taboo game, could be something revolutionary.

Some Zone of the Enders 3 footage would be brilliant, since Kojima said it's been put on hold, that means development is already underway and that's a goddamn good news.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 20, 2010 @ 10:40:48 PM

Don't know. They were supposed to have a big unveil weren't they. Has that date passed?

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CharlesD
Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 12:16:11 AM
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I am a fan of FFXIII, in fact I would consider it one of the best games in my collection and that's saying something considering the big ones like RDR GOWIII UC2 KZ2 ACII etc. etc.

As far E3 goes, well I knew about Twisted Metal but Sweet-tooth coming out on stage in the stylized ice-cream truck not only was surprising but was absolutely bad ass on almost every conceivable level

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