Okay Ebert, We Forgive You

"I should not have written that entry without being more familiar with the actual experience of video games."

This is straight from Roger Ebert's blog and although he doesn't concede that video games can be considered art, he does admit she should've known more about the subject at hand, and even admits gaming could be become art at some point in the future. He's obviously reluctant to say so and he honestly doesn't believe it but you know, the admission is enough for us.

Our biggest problem with this whole fiasco was the fact that Ebert seemed to have a lot to say about an entertainment venue with which he wasn't very familiar. And when we say "very familiar," we're being kind; it's unlikely he fully understands just how far we've come since the days of Pong. And you know, TV commercials don't help; unless you actually sit there and pick up the controller, you won't fully comprehend the appeal and - in our opinion - artistic nature of the interactive entertainment medium. We further appreciate this:

"My error in the first place was to think I could make a convincing argument on purely theoretical grounds. What I was saying is that video games could not in principle be Art. That was a foolish position to take, particularly as it seemed to apply to the entire unseen future of games. This was pointed out to me maybe hundreds of times. How could I disagree? It is quite possible a game could someday be great Art."

Remember when Ebert first made his controversial statements, and gamers immediately responded with examples like Heavy Rain and Flower? Well, thatgamecompany's Kellee Santiago offered Ebert a chance to play Flower and although it seems he has yet to play it, he continues to add that "art" may indeed be subjective and that games might be "art" to those who partake of the hobby. The blog post in question really is excellent and he makes a lot of concessions, all the while providing us with plenty of interesting insight concerning his own observations and thoughts, and his reactions to our reactions.

Come on guys, in all honesty, we shouldn't ask for more. It takes a big man to do that, doesn't it? We forgive you, Roger. And please, when you do get around to playing some very artistic games, we'd be interested to know what you think...

7/2/2010 Ben Dutka

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Qubex
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 9:57:33 PM
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Why do people make comments like this in the first place. We all know video games are an art form in themselves. Is Uncharted 2, GoW III, The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy etc not art?

...not to mention that typically developers actually have large art departments!

Epic fail Ebert!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in SinCity, Singapore

Last edited by Qubex on 7/2/2010 9:58:25 PM

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nilos95
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:30:43 AM

GoW3 is art? Come on, it just kills greek mythology despite offering a great experience. It is worth a 10, but calling it art is a bit too much(we have to decide on a universally approved definition of the word art). The other examples are definitely art though

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SolidFantasy
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 6:11:55 AM

whether or not GoWIII is art or not nilos95 is right. The term art can have a broad range of interpretations.

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Qubex
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 6:48:28 AM

Well, I think GoWIII is art from a technical perspective... I mean it is a beautiful looking game... the artwork is incredible in it, so is the modeling and texturing... so for me, the game is a piece of moving art work...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in SinCity, Singapore

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 8:12:21 AM

All games start in the same place that every other art form begins. In the imagination. I would take it as far to say that all games are art because of them starting as thoughts brought to life. Just like in the world of books, poems, paintings or music there are a lot of bad ones out there. Bad or not, it's someone's expression.

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Zorigo
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:52:42 PM

nilos, you're wrong there, the way it takes on greek mythology is excellent. the whole pandora's box thing was epic in it's own right.
They wrote their own story and made it fit nicely in with greek mythology but still their own. it was very artful.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 4:29:57 PM

Well an artist once said Art is emotion. GOW brims with it.

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Axe99
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:10:00 PM

Aye - killing a certain topic doesn't disqualify it for being art. The LOTR trilogy was definitely art, but there were parts of those movies that I'm sure had Tolkien turning in his grave! Same can be said about many movies, paintings, books, you-name-it.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 6:18:36 PM

Regardless of the "perspective" even in the stage of creating videogames you're utilizing aspects of what it takes to "create art".

Just about everything is art even writing. Its actually harder to find something that is not art. For instance drinking water is something that I would not consider art but hey maybe someone can prove me wrong.

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djduke316
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 10:02:21 PM
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"he does admit she should've known more about the subject at hand"

HA!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:02:33 AM

"and even admits gaming could be become art"

same sentence farther down. Ben must have been pretty tired when writing this =P

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Snaaaake
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 10:10:08 PM
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Realized your mistake and I forgive.

Nothing more to be said.

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frostface
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 10:12:04 PM
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Well he said what he said and was not obligued in any way to apoligise, no matter how ill informed an opinion it was.
So I say fair dues to him for at least been man enough to admit being wrong. He needs to just stick to his movie reviews and the balance of the universe will be maintained.

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SixSpeedKing
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 10:16:45 PM
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Yeah I feel he shouldn't have made those comments in the first place but at least now he has realised his mistake and admitted he was wrong.
A bit of an aside here but I strongly believe that many games are of great artistic value and are indeed art. Nobody can take that away from the truly deserving titles no matter who they are or what they say.

Last edited by SixSpeedKing on 7/2/2010 10:17:22 PM

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Jawknee
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 11:20:38 PM
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it's nice to see him at least consider our position on the subject. Not something I'm used to seeing him do when expressing his views.

Last edited by Jawknee on 7/2/2010 11:22:00 PM

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 11:27:58 PM
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He did the exact samething with Blade Runner. On release he said it was a shallow fair. He since has said he was completely wrong, it's a visonary work.

I have a great deal of respect for the man simply for this ability. Not many so called "critics" have the capacity to say they were mistaken.

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BikerSaint
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 11:39:13 PM
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Well, I don't accept false spin-doctoring from him, just as I don't accept obama's either!

I can see right through Ebert's "so called" semi-apology, and he hasn't apologized even one little bit.

Go ahead, read Ebert's own blog, he's only saying that he just should have kept his thoughts & comments to himself.
And he also states that games still aren't art, just by his comment that "MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, GAME MAY BECOME ART".

And even though he's been given a chance by someone in Sony offering to deliver a PS3 to him, plus the game "Flower, and a bunch of other artistic games, he's deliberately nixed the deal by pussy-footing all around the deal

So where's this apology????

Ebert is just a stubborn mule that will never get it because he REFUSES to get it!

There IS thing I can feel for Ebert though, and that is.....pity.

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Underdog15
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 11:53:01 PM

ew! politics! lol.

But seriously though, why not show a little heart? He has his philosophy, and I'm sure most people have philosophies that are tremendously flawed that lay on grounds we would never be willing to recant. To me, this is "good enough". Afterall, only the sith deal in absolutes!

I'm currently working on a bonafide research study presented in a sort of blog format (for the inclusion of media) about video games and art. I currently have lots and lots of references footnoted, and I hope it's something that can contribute to our point of view. I'd love to share it with you all when I'm done!

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 1:54:40 AM

It does kind of seem like one of those "non-apologies."

"Sorry if you misunderstood me." kinda deals.

ha.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:06:45 AM

politics......gaming. lets keep them separate, already get enough of the former as it is, last thing we need is for it to invade articles about games

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main_event05
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 1:07:16 AM
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Flow.

'Nuff said.

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 3:17:15 AM

no, more flow. I mean Flower.

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Qubex
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 6:49:14 AM

Actually, both...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in SinCity, Singapore

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main_event05
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 8:49:38 AM

I've never played flower so i can't comment.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:08:07 AM
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I think those expecting more from Ebert are expecting too much, its as good of an apology as we will get from him.

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WolfCrimson
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 3:19:23 AM
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How old is this guy? Surely by this age he should have learned that it's not right to just give an opinion about a topic without actually having required knowledge about said topic.

At least he admitted his mistake.

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Him
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 3:26:41 AM
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I don't think this guy even knows what art is. I think he's failed to realize that art is everywhere we look, even your computer is art. Its run using software architecture and architecture is art. I could go on and on about this but i think you get the point.

ART lacks a satisfactory definition. It is easier to describe it as the way something is done -- "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" (Britannica Online) -- rather than what it is.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:00:37 AM

I don't think anyone in Holly-Weird knows what art is anymore. They turn out garbage year after year. They've seen video games surpass their mega status so naturally they are bitter.

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Fane1024
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:33:49 PM

"Art" is a poorly defined term for sure.

Technically, it just means "skill"; the ability to do something or the practice of doing it (e.g., The Art Of War).

The word is, however, most often used to reflect some ineffable quality which makes some creations "special", more than utilitarian. That is, no doubt, the context of Ebert's comments. Nonetheless, he is wrong, even using such a restricted definition.

Personally, I prefer a wider usage, even less tied to aesthetics than the one Him quoted.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 7/3/2010 5:39:18 PM

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A2K78
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 3:46:10 AM
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until pornography is also deemed art, then video game are NOT art.

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:04:01 AM

You're daft.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:42:58 AM

That's the dumbest thing i heard all year.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:06:59 PM

and to think Roger Ebert had been commenting among us fellow gamers all this time....weird

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kraygen
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 4:25:37 AM
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I think every one has an opinion and they are welcome to it. It doesn't really matter if he thinks it's art or not, it's only his opinion.

Whether I agree with him or not, I don't think he really needs to apologize anyway, his thoughts may be heard by lots of people, but that doesn't mean they are right, just that lots of people happen to know who he is.

Let him think video games aren't art, I know how I feel and he's not changing my opinion regardless of what he says.

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Axe99
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:12:39 PM

Agree he's entitled to an opinion, but as a public figure with influence, that critiques art, there is also some responsibility to back it up. As someone who'd played two games in his life, in both cases many years ago, and then _refused_ to play another when he wouldn't have even had to leave his house to do so, is pretty poor in my opinion. It's like he was saying "I've stuck my head in the sand, and it's staying there" - now, for a published critic who has spoken out on the topic to do that is arrogant and makes him look pretty pig-headed.

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Fane1024
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:41:56 PM

Axe is right. Critics should be held to a higher standard.

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FatherSun
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 6:11:29 PM

I would respect someone more if they make a decision and stand by it. Heck, even if they change position that is ok with me. Everyone has a right to change their mind. He did none of the above. He just addressed the issue in a way that leaves him more open to comment on the subject at hand without being bashed. This tells me that he is more concerned with the opinions of his audience than that of his own character.

Last edited by FatherSun on 7/3/2010 6:24:31 PM

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JackC8
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 7:18:56 AM
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Yawn. Just some daft old fool trying to act intelligent and failing. He hasn't got the tools necessary to have any insight into anything. Hell, having a basic understanding of something would be a pretty proud accomplishment for Roger.

Just stick to sitting on your fat a** and commenting on the latest Hollywood dreck Mr. Ebert.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:31:06 AM

You might actually want to read his post.

You can dislike him all you want; I know enough about him to know he's pretty darn intelligent.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:57:34 AM

Yea Jack, it's not intelligence Ebert lacks, it's wisdom.

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JackC8
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 12:59:10 PM

I read his article. He says "I declared as an axiom that video games can never be Art. I still believe this"

I'm actually quite familiar with Ebert. I've been a movie buff for many years and have read quite a few of his blog entries over that time. He states his opinion and, when challenged, immediately resorts to excuses instead of reason (precisely as he's doing here - I wasn't wrong, I just expressed myself incorrectly). When he feels threatened, he can phrase his sentences in a way that draws attention to the fact that he did, in fact, receive a passing grade in his college English classes.

I'm terribly sorry, but that stuff quit impressing me about 15 years ago. It's not intelligence, it's just meh.

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 8:13:32 AM
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@bikersaint - it good to have place to dialog about gaming. To try and poison it with politics and hatred is not cool you dumb ass.

Anyway, Ebert really didn't apologize. He's just another old guy who see's gaming getting bigger and bigger and he's mad because he hasn't been in on the fun so he's basically bashing. If you really think about it the really good games like uncharted are more than just art. If you can watch a movie and call it art, then what do you call something you can watch and interact with like Uncharted? That's more than art. You'd figure his old dumb ass would've figured that out already.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:59:00 AM

Hey, hey now. BikerSaint has been around here along time. He's not a dumba**.

Besides, he only made a comparison. He went no further. The comment was harmless.

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Underdog15
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:57:33 PM

As if 2 plus you people gave you a thumbs up for calling BikerSaint a dumba$$...

Even if amzngskillz had a good point somewhere in his post, why would anyone encourage downtalking a regular to this site. If I call someone a name or the like, I fully expect to get downvoted, and I hope people do.

My first time through this log, I didn't even read the rest of your post after what you called him. To me, it invalidates any points you make.

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NeoHumpty
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 8:22:59 AM
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I still think he's a self centered douche, if only for thinking that he has the right to decide what is and isn't art. F'em.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:01:27 AM

A lot of these Holly-Weird Elites are self centered douches. It comes with the territory.

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fstop
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 8:25:56 AM
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The very first (and best) example of video game as art is, Ico.
From each scenery right down to the emotion portrayed by Ico and Yorda.
I swear the first time I played, Ico, it was as if I stood in front of a painting and started to imagining I could control the characters movements.

The problem is Ebert sees the like of Halo, Call of Duty, Resistance, God of War and he gets put back by all the violence in them. His mind then shuts down (as most peoples do) and then begin to think of nothing but disgust.

What he needs to do is sit down with a game like Ico, play it in its entirety then move to other forms of games that are similar.
From there he should be able to see the statement of video games as art holds truth.

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tridon
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:12:50 AM
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"She." Hahaha. That made my day.

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CharlesD
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:44:10 AM
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Every video game is art. I have trouble seeing where people don't understand this. If you do not have some form of artist ability you cannot create a video game. The characters must be designed by artists, the environments must be created and designed by artists. The stories and personalities must be crafted by writers, writers are artists. Texture, color, depth, emotion, story, all of it requires art to create and a literal team of artists.

I am glad that he has seen the light, well kinda seen the light as he not played any great games himself. Oh, and if you've never played Heavy Rain and are making comments like video games can never be art... don't make the comment. I am very glad he reassessed his obviously incorrect statement.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:58:08 AM

I wouldn't call games like Saints Row or Manhunt art.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 2:09:11 PM

Well Jawknee yes technically they are becauese I see things the exact same way CharlesD does. From a technical standpoint yes, from a class and tastefulness standpoint hell no.

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:49:43 PM

Like the way someone made a statue of the Virgin Mary out of poop.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:10:24 PM

I wonder if Ebert would call that Crucifix Dunked in urine art?

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Phoelix
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 4:28:23 PM
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I claim that game design is an art, even if the other stuff somehow isn't.

I still believe we should ignore this guy. "It is quite possible a game could someday be great Art."

He has no idea, does he?

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FatherSun
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:13:08 PM
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E-BERT is not excused in my book. This was what I call eloquent DAMAGE CONTROL. He said so himself. He was hit by so many of his readers negatively that he felt the need to re-evaluate his position. And that position has not changed. He only stated that video games may POSSIBLY in the future may be considered art. MAYBE.

VIDEO GAMES are an EVOLUTION of many forms of art. Melted together is such a way that can only be described as an EXPERIENCE. Interactive ART. Not all games may fall into this catagory but for developers who put their blood, sweat and tears into the games they create this was an INSULT. Are they to blame for an old fart refusing to accept that the future opens up new possibilies every single day.

Right now someone somewhere in this world may be IMAGINING something so new and so unfamiliar that the world may even change because if it.

EBERT.. someday I may forgive you.. but you are not excused.

Last edited by FatherSun on 7/3/2010 5:19:31 PM

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Axe99
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:18:13 PM
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While Ebert's contrition is a step forward, he kinda has a bet each-way with this response, as JackC8 pointed out above. While the man may be knowledgable in movies, his refusal to even play the medium he's speaking out about (even when people made it _ridiculously_ easy for him to do so) really do make him sound pretty dumb (and emotionally crippled).

I was also unimpressed by the "The conscious creation of art seems to be one area in which humans have a monopoly among living beings.", which is incorrect - a number of animals (bower birds are the big ones) create artistic structures to elicit an emotional response, and much of human art is still related to mating (and, it could be argued, mating is where art came from in the first place).

His post has "arrogant, pig-headed sod" written all over it. If I hear he does a lot of charity work, then I can had "big-hearted" to the above description, but beyond movies, he's done little to demonstrate his intelligence (his argument construction/logic, for instance, is pretty damn average).

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FlyingKickPunch
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 5:52:20 PM
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Speaking of "video games as art", who cares if video games are art?

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:18:41 PM
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@Jawknee & Underdog & Bikersaint - I don't care if its a New Jack rookie or a veteran to the site. The site's about gaming. When you try to quickly lob a political grenade into the conversation you deserve to be called a dumbass. I've read post after post and his is the first political snipe I've seen. Gaming unites people. Politics divides people. Lets keep the integrity of the "gaming" site intact.

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:32:32 PM

Where's the integrity in calling someone a "dumbass"?

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:39:37 PM
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@ Underdog - I couldn't care less if you didn't read my post. You more than likely agreed with Bikersaints snipe thats why you're defending him. When someone tries to inject their own hatred into a non hate arena they deserve the be called whatever. You sound like an idiot on a high horse saying my point was invalidated. As if you're some type of authority. Stop smelling yourself and learn how to write clearly.

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:29:29 PM

What makes you think I care about American politics? lol

I'm Canadian, foo!

And as if you would call me an idiot for defending someone who really didn't do much of anything in the first place....

Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/4/2010 9:31:20 PM

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:46:13 PM

Also, did you not notice earlier when I said "ew! politics!" ?? Yet another reason to invalidate yet another one of your posts.

P.s. I smell like "Crisp Glacier". So it's rather pleasant to continue smelling myself. It's not overpowering, either. Very faint. You're welcome to take a sniff.

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:49:56 PM
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@bikersaint - You put your address on here challenging me to come to New Jersey and say it to your face. You sound like an immature teenager. I'm grown son, I let my lawyers fight for me. By putting your home address and telling me to come all the way to Jersey to fight you is something only a dumbass would do. Thanks for proving my point.

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:37:27 PM

You're lawyers didn't call me a idiot. You did. Them's fightin' words, "son".

lol

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:55:31 PM
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@Jawknee - no beef with you. I've read your posts and they are pretty much intelligent and on the money.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:09:15 PM

No worries. None taken.

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:41:47 PM

lol at this and siding with CharlesD.

That's classic 'transference', in the psychological world. Try your best to make 1 or 2 people singled out, flame them, then surround yourself with allies to help somehow validate you have a point. But really, and truly, it's not us you're mad at. Neither of us did anything to deserve the flaming you've done.

Basically, you saw a small glimmer of something from us that reminds you of some misdeed done to you in the past, and even though we've done very little to nothing wrong, you've transferred the entire identity of the one who harmed you in the past onto us. This is why you get so angry at basically nothing. Next step someone suffering from transference takes, is to then surround themselves with people who might sympathize based on your version of the story.

Honestly, it's like straight out of the text-book. I'm no idiot. And I smell wonderful. Like "Crisp Glacier", in fact. So I'll continue to smell my delicious self, thank-you!

Last edited by Underdog15 on 7/4/2010 9:43:45 PM

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amzngskillz
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:59:04 PM
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@ Charles D - I couldn't agree more on your comments. If only Ebert read your breakdown he would probably give a real apology instead of that lukewarm vague reference to a slight apologetic feeling.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:26:08 AM
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I'm 57, son!
So where did you ever get that lame assumption that I show hatred in my original post???
And all I've seen from you was just a lot of gibberish trying to racebait this site.

I don't dislike our current Commander In Chief cause he's black, I dislike him cause he's nothing more than a PROVEN spin-doctor.
So sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but I wanted Colin Powell as President.

But as for both, you, & your lawyer, f*ck you both. There's nothing either one of you can do about it even if you did come here(as if anything you say to me, or anyone else for that matter, has any relevance at all).

So just keep hiding behind a computer and thinking a lawyer can hide you you from the real world!

"Dream On" kid, "Dream On"!!!!

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Superman915
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:49:29 AM
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how did I know some idiot was SOMEHOW gonna try to throw politics in to this? The address was surprising though, that's really a new level of ignorance.

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, July 05, 2010 @ 12:15:00 AM

how did my comment get posted under superman??

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:16:26 AM

dude, just shut up! you're making this whole thing into something that it doesn't need to be

Last edited by Qwarktast1c on 7/4/2010 11:17:25 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 8:42:35 PM
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Woah...I didn't realize this happened, but Biker and amzngskillz: stop.

Biker, I took out the post with your address in it, simply because it really isn't a good idea to publicize personal info on the 'Net.

amzngskillz, YOU started this by flaming someone (in direct violation of our posting policy) simply because you THOUGHT he said something overtly political. As far as I can tell, Biker merely mentioned Obama's name, nothing more. YOU made it into something else, apparently in a knee-jerk reaction to defend Obama.

Political everything aside, you're at fault for flaming. And for the record, yes, trusted, veteran posters of PSXE will indeed get the benefit of the doubt. You have to prove yourself around here, my friend.

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Superman915
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:53:14 PM

If you really gave him the 'benefit of the doubt', you would've left his address up, just like he wanted. According to him, he's 57. I would hope someone that age knows what he's doing.

Hope he likes pizza too.

Last edited by Superman915 on 7/4/2010 9:54:15 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, July 05, 2010 @ 12:59:03 AM

No posting personal information. Just think of it as a rule.

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