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Ben's Week In Review: July 4

July 4th...maybe the only day of the year I ever eat a hot dog. I admit healthy food doesn't really fit on the 4th. :)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII...is nearing completion

Or so we'd all like to think. The instant the news hit that Square-Enix had completed the scenario and character designs for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, all anticipatory role-playing fans got very excited. It seems clear now that we'll get the long-awaited unveiling at the Tokyo Game Show in September and with this "complete" information, we're hoping for a release date, too. We've talked about this game at length before but right now, I'm taking bets: I'll give y'all 3:1 odds that it'll be exactly what FF fans desire, and 5:1 that it'll live up to the hype. Square-Enix has a lot to prove this generation and although other titles like Deus Ex: Human Revolution appear to be immensely promising, we want a Final Fantasy that feels like a Final Fantasy. FFXIII was a great game; there's absolutely no doubt about that. If it had had a different name, it would've been much more highly revered. But the fact remains: the hardcore FF followers feel jilted.

And so, they may or may not be setting themselves up for disappointment by tossing what remains of their eggs into the Versus basket. The details we've seen thus far are certainly encouraging and sort of points towards a more traditional RPG, although I'm sure it'll just be more real-time combat. The biggest problem is the pressure this game is under...what it has to achieve might be impossible.

Don't go all Move-crazy on me, Sony

I have no problem with the PlayStation Move, and I have no problem with promoting it. However, now that we know Sony asked Quantic Dream to focus on a special Move edition of Heavy Rain, sadly at the expense of that downloadable content we all wanted, I'm starting to wonder if Sony's pushing too hard. Thing is, David Cage said he very much wanted to deliver that DLC because he knew the fans really wanted it; Sony specifically told them not to bother and focus on Move Edition instead. That's a little worrisome, in my eyes. It sort of points towards the possibility that Sony could tell other developers to ignore certain projects in order to focus on Move. If you continue this train of thought, perhaps they'll also start asking more designers to include a 3D option for their games, which could result in delays. Who knows? I'm not saying any of this will happen but after E3, where Sony clearly put a ton of emphasis on Move, I have a sneaking suspicion they might be a little too enamored with their own advanced-Wii-like system.

If possible, Sony peeps, just keep doing what you're doing and add Move into the PlayStation equation; please don't sacrifice anything normally planned for the sake of motion-sensing stuff.

Personal gaming update

Like I said last week, I really don't have much to play right now as I'm fairly well caught up. However, I do intend to borrow a Wii so I can play Super Mario Galaxy 2 and now, I really want to finish Singularity (review going up in a few minutes). You'll gather as much from the review, but I really like it and I'm super surprised that instead of trading it in, I wanna finish it. Didn't expect that. But it's good to have a new game to play; I've heard that Naughty Bear isn't so hot - that's unfortunate - so I'll probably be passing on playing, although I'll have to get the review done. I have no idea what's coming out in July, although I suppose Mafia II could be intriguing when it launches towards the end of August. The fall will be insane as always but in the meantime, it's all about catching up. And I've done that, so...

I was thinking about downloading one of the 3D PSN options but they're all retrofitted to the technology and I'd rather wait for the big stuff (GT5, KZ3, etc.). Besides, I'd have to drop another $200 on the glasses and I don't see the need just yet.

7/3/2010 Ben Dutka

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Comments (89 posts)

fluffer nutter
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:14:52 PM
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Is Heavy Rain going to be re-released with the Move functionality, alone, or is SCE going to release an update for those that already own the title? If it is being re-released on disc, how much do you want to bet that the episodes are included as surprise bonus content?

I wanted to dive into Naughty Bear but the reviews were very, very dismal. I was even hoping for a "it's so bad that it's so much fun" scenario. Damn...

Going to get back into ModNation Racers and design some mods and karts, tonight, and I found two packages at my door. One of them is probably Blur so I'll give that a spin. For $10, I don't think I'll be disappointed.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:19:07 PM

Get Singularity instead of Naughty Bear.

As for Heavy Rain, I really don't know...I think it's a separate release. Not sure, though.

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Cpt_Geez
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:20:41 PM

What website did you get blur for $10 from?

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SayWord
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:24:26 PM

I was really skeptical to buy naughty bear. But oh man, I'm so happy I did haha. Its actually really fun. You even have to be steathly! Very stealthy:p

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StangMan80
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:25:46 PM

$10 bucks for Blur where?!?!

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fluffer nutter
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:35:08 PM

I wanted to get Singularity but nothing about it has really appealed to me, enough, to go out and grab it so I'm holding off until I have more time. The $25 game coupon from Kmart was enticing but the store closes soon and then no more deal.

Blur was the Amazon Deal of the Day, last Sunday, for $19.99 and I had a $10 game credit so $9.99 shipped was good enough not to pass on the deal.

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___________
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 3:03:14 AM

oh god dont waste your money on naughty bear!
i thought fairytale frights was crap!
i thought you could not make a game any worse than that............. oh how wrong i was!

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:20:57 PM
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I'm back. Did ya miss me?

It seems to me that the completion of scenario and character designs is one of the first things that should be done. Unless there are a lot more characters than we have thus far been introduced to, I'm not holding hope for a release any earlier than 2012. (I'm talking Versus XIII here.) Another thing that I was thinking, is that they could be referring to the world modelling, which of course puts it much further along in a time-span. All they really have to from there is the battle system and polishing right? Whatever. Bring on TGS and my Versus info. While you're at it, give me Agito info too.

I think the cancellation of the Heavy Rain Chronicles is unfortunate, but when I think about it, would it not be faster to implement Move into the game than to do the DLC, and therefore letting them get onto Horizon faster? That's the way I'm looking at it. And no, it has nothing to do with the fact that I can't get the DLC, I just want more games. Oh well, que sera sera, right?

Personal update.
I wrote about three thousand words this week, which has me feeling good, even if I used to write that in one day :/. I'm onto the last 'book' of the Time Ships, and have nothing to read when I'm finished with it.
Finished watching Dead Like Me, seriously best show ever, and have started watching Firefly.
I found out a workmate has a copy of Demon's Souls, but he won't let me borrow it, and I can't find it anywhere. Nor can I find Peace Walker, which is bloody annoying. And I just finished Chapter 7 of Valkyria Chronicles.
Oh and I've restarted my exercise regime. I'd kind of forgotten it recently, but now I'm back on track. There was something else too, but I've forgotten it.

Have a good Independence Day, you Brit killing Americans you. (No, I don't actually know why you celebrate July 4th, a heads up anyone?)
P.S. Ben, isn't the 3D PSN stuff free? I mean, sure you may need to shell out for the glasses, but a preview for what is to come can't be a bad thing, can it?

Peace all.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:37:44 PM

The 4th is our Independence Day. July 4th, 1776 is when we signed the Declaration of Independence.

Yes, I know the 3D patches are free but $200 for a retrofitted PSN game? Nah, I'll wait.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:42:44 PM

"Have a good Independence Day, you Brit killing Americans you. (No, I don't actually know why you celebrate July 4th, a heads up anyone?" That was pretty ignorant man. and it should be obvious, the entire world knows why we do, The American Revolution?

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frylock25
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:58:49 PM

@ jmo

i understand why your sayin that but contrary to belief america is not the center of the universe. the whole world doesnt revolve around all of us over in in the states. not everyone in the world knows why we celebrate the holidays we do here just like i bet you cant tell us why every nation celebrates theirs.

hell i bet there are americans that dont really know why we celebrate the 4th and in your post you say it was cuz of the war. it was because we declared ourselves a free nation on the 4th never to be run by a king again.

not to be rude to you jmo but it seems that attitude is why the rest of the world hates us. (part of it)

my point in this is that lawless just seemed to be makin a joke. at least he tried to learn what it was he didnt know. in all honesty i dont see what was so ignorant, as we (not directly us but people in the american revolution) are actually "brit killers" who do you think we were fighting and killing indians?

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FatherSun
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:35:20 AM

If I read correctly CAGE stated somewhere that HORIZON is NOT Quantic Dreams next project. He stated that they are working on another innovation. I enjoy their work ethic. Not juicing Heavy Rain as a franchise. Not that I would mind a sequel. Some games do merit it.

Too bad about the DLC. SONYs doing and unfortunately MOVE is to blame. Were the Taxidermist sales dismal? I ask cause if they weren't I can't understand why they would't do both. I hope they suprise us.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:41:18 AM

frylock: I would just like to add that although the liberal propaganda wants all white Americans to wake up every day and punch themselves repeatedly in the nose for being white Americans, I won't be doing that. ;)

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:13:24 AM

Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed that it had something to do with the Civil War. I really meant no offence to anyone.
Oh well, can't please everyone, and if you try you only piss off everyone.

Peace.

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:23:08 AM

Don't worry, Lawless. You weren't offensive, in the least. What jamo put was pretty ignorant. It's what many Americans do best. ;)

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Godslim
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 4:47:29 AM

@frylock25
lol all the world hates America!

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 10:22:06 AM

The world doesn't hate America, tyrants and wannabe marxists hate America.

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Highlander
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:00:51 AM

@Jawknee
You're wrong. The world in general mistrusts and dislikes the USA. It's not the people, it's the country represented by our foreign policy, our military and intelligence services and our corporate, economic and cultural imperialism. When one country is dominant, others are dominated. Dominated people seldom like those that dominate them. The US has been pre-dominant in the world for decades. Right or wrong, that is what it is. It's got nothing to do with tyrants or wannabe Marxists - not that there are many (if any) true Marxists around any more. That label has become just another label to hurl at people who's views we neither understand or like.

Anyone who has lived in other countries understand that the world dislikes America, that some portions of the world hate America and unfortunately, they have their reasons.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:16:51 AM

America has been the worlds becon of freedom. People who don't value freedom but government control will natually dislike America. I don't buy this imperialism nonsense. The only land or spoils America asks for when we win wars is a plot to burry our dead.

I liken America to the kid In school who was never popular because he didn't let the bullies and jocks push him around. When governments like the ones in south America and Iran trash America, i'd say were doing something right. Most of this "the world hates America" is mostly liberal propaganda anyway.

Seriously, everyone hates America yet everyone comes here for freedom and opportunity? Marxist thought is alive and well. You only need to turn on liberal media to hear arguements based on race, gender, class and sex. All arguments made by Karl and still made by liberal media today.

Are you a fan of Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn Highlander? I'm not trying to patronize you. I'm just curious.

If you rebut my comment, send it to my PSX inbox. I'd like to better undersand your position. I'm not going to post any further here for obvious reasons.

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Highlander
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:32:02 AM

@Jawknee,

I'm sorry, but you are deluded.

Look, I'm not saying that the US is an evil country or something, I live here. I live here because this is where I want to live, I love living here, and I love the US and will defend it against anyone. But your view of how America should be viewed is not the reality. Just because you think that the US is a beacon of freedom does not make it so, nor does it mean that the rest of the world sees it that way.

I'm sorry but when you say things like;
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Most of this "the world hates America" is mostly liberal propaganda anyway.
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You are just utterly deluding yourself and not living in reality. Stop speaking from a soap-box, this isn't a political rally. I was attempting to offer you a view of someone who has lived the majority of their life outside the US and has seen and experienced the way in which America is viewed abroad. I see now that there was no point in that attempt.



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King James
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:38:15 AM

No disrespect intended, Jawknee. But U can't leap to conclusions like that. U sound like FOXNews, when you say opening statements like that. There is truth to what Highlander said.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:41:13 AM

"I'm sorry, but you are deluded."

Oh Highlander i expected more from you.

KingJames, I don't even watch Fox. Can't stand cable news.



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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:25:15 PM

It was in no way to start an argument as all of you thought it was, I just thought the joke was pretty insensitive on this day is all. I could care less if the rest of the world hates me, it comes with living in a successful nation. I am well aware there are other countries, but today is all about this one I am in so back off. I consider it common knowledge (July 4th) around the world being that America is taught about in just about every country regardless of what you want or not. I was simply saying that he had to of honestly thought we were simply just "brit killers" to have made the joke. I don't hold anything against him at all, just not the time for the joke is all. All I said in response was the American Revolution, which is exactly what you restated frylock. "Hell i bet there are americans that dont really know why we celebrate the 4th and in your post you say it was cuz of the war. It was because we declared ourselves a free nation on the 4th never to be run by a king again." I said American Revolution. Which happens to include exactly what you said and the war which happened to a be a pretty damn large portion of it. So next time you want to tell me I'm the cause of America's image, take your little thumb down and shove it up your ass frylock.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:36:34 PM

jmo, c'mon man. Lawless didn't mean anything by it. Too many American's don't know why we celebrate Independence Day. Can't expect the rest of the world to know either.

Also i suggest you tone it down. There's no needs for name calling. Frylock25 wasn't trying to hate. Hes was just expressing his opinion. We are all entitled to one and it can and should be done with out offense or name calling. I think you should edit that last part if you can.

Besides, i think enough has been said. This isn't the place for this.

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:41:21 PM

I know he didnt, I said in the post I have nothing against Lawless, I cant edit it it hasnt been 10 minutes I should be able to but I dont have the option to. Well in advance I apologize but still, dont ever attack my knowledge or love for this country but Fluffer Nutter you can take frylock's spot in that post of mine

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:08:37 PM

Read your original reply, jamo and then rethink your last few responses. Not trying to be offensive but you can't say one thing and then contradict it. You had no reason to attack anyone and then start the name calling. That was quite ignorant.
Enjoy the 4th, everyone (that it applies to).

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:12:00 PM

I apologized frylock, I apologize to you again. Are we fine, I will let it go right now. and I never called anyone names BTW

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:12:22 PM

@Fluffer nutter,

Oh i will. Already have my Patriotic Beer ready to go.

Sam Adams anyone? ;)

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:17:59 PM

We've all been fine, jamo so don't worry about that. It's just a conversation so just relax. No need to get all huffy and tell us where to put our thumbs. That's my wife's job. ;)

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:22:24 PM

OK good, and Jawknee you have to tell me, are you in that band The Titan Courageous? I saw it on your user CP and I just wondered.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:27:32 PM

Yea i am, well was, kinda still am but not really. Ha.

The singer had to take off for a while, hes in another state still working on new songs while he tries to piece things back together. Was having a hard time finding decent work here in Denver. The band is still a work in progress. Just taking a break for now. Well probably have some big announcements in the next year or so.

By the way, if you decide to glance over at our Myspace, I'm not Johnathon Sonmore. Some people think that because my PSN ID is Jawknee.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:28:56 PM

The way I see it is that Highlander is dead right. It's not that the world hates America, but rather distrusts it as a result of it's political standings and military might. It is viewed as a threat to the way of life of many third world countries, and countries in the middle east, such as Afghanistan.

You can argue that America's involvement in those countries is a good thing, but think of it from the view of the locals. You have come uninvited and unwanted, and have enforced your own ideals of what life and the political sheme should be, rather than letting them tell you what they want.

If they can do that to these smaller, out of the way countries, what is stopping America from doing the same to countries that have a strong political standing besides the treaties that are in place? I know that I am probably completely off-base here, but I liken the possibility to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. It was invaded to seek out WOMDs, and when none were found, attention was turned to the atrocities committed by Hussein. He was ousted, and ever since, the Americans have been trying to keep the peace in the face of overwhelming opposition to their presence.

@JMO, I'm afraid that the world does not revolve around America. The closest thing that we came to being taught American History in school was the two World Wars. I have some knowledge of some of your history as a result of my own research, but I have never been terribly interested in it, so I didn't go any deeper. Also, I thought the American Revolution was to rid the country of British rule, ergo, 'Brit Killers'. I'm not defending what I said. I should not have said it.

Anyway, I did not mean to start a political debate, and I feel I should apologise to Ben for doing so.
Peace.

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:36:13 PM

Well I was just wondering I really did like what I heard. Western Latitudes was great. Any who I'm going to ignore you Lawless as it's over now. and I don't believe the world revolves around us, I simply know that America is taught about in a lot of other countries around the world. As to what you are taught I do not know specifically I assumed it would include the American Revolution as it pertains to what the world is today.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:38:37 PM

Thanks. We worked hard on that one. :)

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:43:09 PM

That was a very well thought out response, Lawless. I do not see why you would be ignored but then, you weren't the one that started this mini debate thread. It was started by a single, misguided response. That is the person who should apologize.

Think of all of the kittens... in my oven. Muuahahahaha!

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:44:21 PM

Yes I did assume you were Jonathon haha But I suppose I was wrong, So you are Ray R. correct? and if so what part do you play in the band? Oh and is there any place I can download these?

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frylock25
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:47:46 PM

jmo

i was never trying to attack you or start a fight. all you said was because of the american revolution, when that really doesnt give lawless any info. not every person in every country is up on american history.

you are allowed to have your opinion. so is lawless as the rest of us are. in this land of freedom that has spread to hopefully where ever lawless is, there is free speach. including writing. lawless wanting to call us "brit-killers" is fine by me as i took it as a joke, you may not have.

i also did not say you are the cause of americas image. more of the attitude you gave off about america is #1 and every person on earth should know every fact of americas history regardless of location.

as it is im not gonna hold a grudge over stupid comments. instead of saying something is ignorant, calling names or telling people to put things in rears, offer the information in detail and explain.

what makes everyone so uptight these days? is it not ok to joke about stuff any more?


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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:49:37 PM

@jmo

I play the bass. I am Ray R.

Can't download them, but if you like, give me your email. I can email you the tracks we have recorded.

You can send your email to my PSX inbox if you want.

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:52:50 PM

I apologized, what more do you want from me? I never said America was number one in any way. I've talked to a lot of people from different countries and they told me they are taught a lot about America and it's history I was simply going off of that. I know it was a joke, just an inconvenient one, which I pointed out. You guys took my comment the wrong way. Just let it go. and I will do that Jawknee thanks.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:54:48 PM

No more guys. Please. Too much has already been said. If it must continue email one another or something.

:)

Word, jmo. I'll send them to you asap.

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 2:04:00 PM

I really appreciate it man. :)

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Highlander
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 5:11:54 PM

Burgers and hot dogs at dawn, it's the only way to be sure...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 8:33:42 PM

I knew I should've put a stop to this.

Look, I'm making a rule here and now: there will be no more political-based posts of any kind at PSXE. It's always a mess, no matter how civil people try to be (and I'm not necessarily blaming anyone).

I'm entirely apolitical for a reason. There is no real truth to be found and there never will be.

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StangMan80
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:23:28 PM
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summer looks prety boreing right now game whys. I have to finnish UC2 I might try GOW 3 but other then that nothing. I almost picked up the Kill Zone 2 bundled with a black duel shock but I didn't( I might regrate that later)
I am not getting into 3D yet but I am going to have to later for GT5, kill Zone 3 and MotorStorm:Apocalyps.

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frylock25
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:44:10 PM
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ugh you had to remind me about the dlc...

anyway personal gaming update: i have been working on heavy rain playing it over and over. i am one trophy away from platnum and i am hoping to get it as i write this. sooo many endings.

i keep thinkin about getting plus. the more i look at it, it seems worth it. i just hope i get stuff i can use with games i already have.

yes and i did it! platnum heavy rain! sweet! im just under 900 trophies now.

has anyone here scored a 3d tv besides Ben? like with the glasses and is using the current 3d stuff?

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SayWord
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:52:26 PM
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I'm playing and loving trinity universe. Great rpg.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 11:37:58 PM

Review for that coming soon.

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kraygen
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:58:23 PM
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Ben I'll take those odds, I have a feeling that FF versus will have the exploration and freedom, towns, and all that what not, but I'm afraid it's going to have the same combat as ff13 or even worse just be an action rpg.

Either of those 2 correct and I'll be disappointed. I want it to be good, but I have my doubts and SE has done nothing to dissuade those doubts.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:10:46 AM
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While I'm still keeping up with Versus XIII, it's going lower and lower on my to-buy list.

Mainly, because there's no gameplay footage, the likes of infamous 2 and Killzone 3 are now high on my list.

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drew
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 4:48:00 AM

didn't nomura state from the beginning that it was going to be an action rpg? that ff13 was the traditional rpg and versus was the action rpg. it was supposed to be a fusion of final fantasy and kingdom hearts and kingdom hearts is a far cry from traditional rpg. plus, just look at the trailers. it looks very much like an action game through and through.

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/interview-tetsuya-nomura

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Highlander
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:06:58 AM

Drew, I think that the difference is that Versus is anticipated to preserve the mood of the original FF games better. Somehow. So the fact that it's an action game from the get go isn't an issue. Perhaps.

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CharlesD
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:24:34 AM
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Final Fantasy Vs. XIII seems to be a fairly straight forward title. Now, I may just be entirely misinterpreting the entire thing but it seems to me that it hints at this being a version versus the XIII meaning giving the original FF fans more of what they expected w. XIII in the first place.

I agree Sony is pushing Move a bit hard but they are probably a bit worried that it wouldn't hit the market hard enough otherwise. Still not sure if it's worth it yet. As far as impacting other games, well.. I better get that HR DLC at some point. Even if it's after the move version of the game is released (which I really hope is just a patch from the PSN) I'll be happy.

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FatherSun
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:26:35 AM
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Ben, I am hoping that you hit the Final Fantasy Versus XIII nail on the head. I am sure SE is aware that it has alienated the FF user base and intends to make amends. Fingers crossed.

It is IMPERATIVE thas SONY implement MOVE properly. They are already being accused of copy-cat syndrome so they need to display the awesome power that a TRUE motion controlled HD console is capable of. With time this will be exhibited. But please SONY, as Ben stated, DO NOT force feed the new technology or it may jeopardize the current momentum that you have created.


Not even looking into a new game at this time. Wife and daughter are in love with Super Mario Galaxy 2 and I have a backlog that needs my attention. Unless something spectacular surprises me then I am good at the moment.


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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:40:26 AM
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It's actually my birthday as we speak, so happy 4th of July guys and happy birthday to me!
I FINALLY got around to buying myself a Toshiba 320 GB external HDD for my PS3 and I just finished backing up my files. Been playing Gow 3, Uncharted 2 and LBP lately as well.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:45:05 AM

Happy birthday! I can't give you a physical gift so I hope you enjoy a thumbs up!

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frylock25
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:36:57 AM

happy 4th birthday of july

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Oyashiro
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:41:44 AM
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Happy 4th Ben!

And that goes to all of you that celebrate it as well. And to all of you that don't, Happy 4th anyway, hope you all have a nice day.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:13:48 AM
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lol Thanks ^^

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Qubex
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 3:00:47 AM
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Ben, I am worried to about the Move move... Sony should really refrain from doing such things. I really do wonder what will happen next?

A plausible explanation could be that generally, from a business perspective, Sony have their targets set against the performance of both their rivals, M$ and Nintendo... I think, broadly speaking, Sony really want to establish the Sony PS3 as an alternative to the Nintendo Wii, and are prepared to do "anything" to achieve that goal.

That sets a dangerous precedence as you have noted above. Not least in that it could drive loyal fans away from the platform over time and attract a more "casual" Nintendo crowd. That doesn't necessary bode well for the platform and for the wider industry.

We all agree that Sony has actually been of huge benefit to the industry because they were prepared to risk on new innovative I.P. What happens in the future if they start to depend on more casual games that can be churned out quicker and quicker because their very base has begun to change... I shudder at the thought.

This whole episode must have been very disappointing for Cage... in fact it makes one wonder that incidents like this are the start of something more ominous whereby Cage decides to head off to M$ to accomplish what he wants to do...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in SinCity, Singapore

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Highlander
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:03:44 AM

Sony wants Move to have both hardcore and casual games. HR is a game that is in a way uniquely suited to Move. It's no surprise then that it is a priority for them. But i'd hardly take it as evidence that Sony is going to somehow focus on Move instead of games. move is complete for Sony, it's all manufacture and retail now. Their focus is, as always, on new releases of games, many of which might benefit from the inclusion of Move. But like anything else, without content Move will wither. So they are pushing content for Move to ensure that when Move hit's stores, there are games that support it.

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Qubex
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:21:17 PM

Highlander, let us see how these "hardcore" games turn out and whether or not people actually enjoy playing them with the multi-coloured dildo's.

Move may really work out well for some; I am happy to stick to my controller, far more comfortable I would think.

Bet you a dollar that you will have deluge of party games and Nintendo Wii-esque rip-offs... but even those might not be so bad if Sony keeps up the quality of these titles and makes them good, however small and insignificant they may be...

I just don't want my PS3 platform to be cheapened...

If Move succeeds great, if it doesn't it doesn't bother me either...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

*Currently in SinCity, Singapore

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:37:19 PM

I agree with that sentiment Qubex. We should be worried about Sonys stance with the PSMove. If they are going to cancel promised content for a game which sold a fair number of copies to incorporate Move capabilites, what is to stop them from doing so again? It does set a dangerous precedent, and the first steps down a path that I would not like to see them follow.

Do I think that Sony will leave their 'hardcore' fanbase behind? No. They know where they have built their fanbase, and they have rarely deviated from it, yet at the same time they have amassed that fanbase by offering such a massive variety that everyones desires have been catered for.

It is because of this that I highly doubt we will be seeing a massive influx of Wii-toos. On the other hand, they may have no choice, what with developers having for the hots for multiplatform games, and yes it is easier for them to develop for the Wii, but the PS3 offers more sales, and a chance to do it better, so what will they do?

@ Highlander,
I agree that it is solely to have more games capable of utilising the Move upon its launch, but I still don't like it.
Peace.

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___________
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 3:12:53 AM
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its funny getting my wii has made me want to get all my MP games for it!
suddenly i dont care it has the graphical capabilities of a freaking ps2!
wii has made me want move all that much more!
though i wont be getting it till it gets a MASSIVE! price drop.
ill be in the cold hard ground long before i pay 240 AUD just for motion controls!!!!!!!!!!

is this being made by sony or M$?
i thought it was M$ that charges ridiculous prices for products.......... oh right sony does that too, and have been for a very long time!
i went over to a old friends place yesterday, he got a new bravia 3D TV.
it cost him....... are you sitting down?
FIVE F*CKING GRAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when i went to QLD last month i saw the panasonic neo plasmas which were larger than his TV, AND OMFG i have never seen a TV that looks as good at that!
and its cost? three grand!
how the ^%$# can sony charge 2K more for a TV that is not even half as good?
no wonder there bleeding money!
they release sh*t and charge a arm and a leg for it, than wonder why there getting TROUNCED! by samsung and other TV manufactures.
i was in parra westfields today and asked the guy at JB why they had so many sonys in stock, and he told me because they have a back flow.
there coming 5th in the sales department, behind samsung, panasonic, toshiba, and LG!
there getting beaten by LG for gods sake!
they cant even make a reliable toaster, let alone a freaking TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 10:24:28 AM

For the love of god, the Wii has better graphics then the PS2. Bette then the original xbox and gamcube even.

Take a look at Skyward Sword and tell me that was possible on PS2. Not even God of War 2 looked as nice.

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JackC8
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 7:00:59 AM
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I really have no idea what to expect from Versus XIII. Which is sort of exciting :) As far as the Move, I'm not very pleased with the Heavy Rain thing. Sony wants to sell peripherals, Sony wants to sell mega-expensive TV's. These are accessories to enhance the gaming experience - they sure as hell better not start thinking they're more important than the games themselves.

I'm still playing Final Fantasy XIII. I'm still blown away by the breathtaking graphics and visuals. That's the best thing about the game by far. The characters on the other hand are completely one-dimensional and a gigantic step backwards from the characters in XII. The gameplay is repetitive, and who's idea was it to have the stupid camera keep moving after you've quit moving the analog stick? That's starting to get on my nerves. Still, the graphics and environments actually make up for almost all of it.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 10:54:50 AM

Graphics in XIII are a mixed bag for me. did you notice their PS2 fingers?

Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't that impressed with it after playing God of War III.

I expected more from Square.

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JackC8
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 3:04:44 PM

Funny you should mention that, I just noticed that Lightning had some man hands in one of the cutscenes last night :)

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Macavity
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:03:39 AM
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Talking about move, my worst nightmare will be GT5+Move=GTforever.

Btw, I still don't have a concrete idea about FFvs13. But why can't S-E release FF14 PS3 version along with PC version? Instead, it will be 4 months later than PC's launch? (It says Sept 22 for PC CE version and March 2011 for PS3 version on the official website.)

I am very disappointed with SE.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 10:38:08 AM
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I'm going to pretend Versus XIII doesn't exist until they actually show some gameplay. Just waiting for that multiplat announcement. >_<

As for gaming update, just finished Red Dead(mostly) and Metroid Prime. Started Metroid Prime 2 Echos. Fantastic games. Anyone who owns a Wii and likes FPS in the least should play them. It's amazing how much stuff in those games seems to be popping up in new FPS. I had forgotten how good they are. Probably my favorite FPS of all time. Graphics aren't PS3 quality but they can still stand the test of time. Especially the Trilogy Nintendo released. Updated textures and sound from the Gamecube versions.

Still playing Peace Walker too. Finished the story missions about a week ago but I still can't put it down. Tons of stuff to do outside the story.

Can't decide which PS3 game to play next. Kinda want Transformers but I think I'll wait till the price comes down. I guess I could go finish Final Fantasy XIII. Sorta feels like a chore. Ha!

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Scarecrow
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:02:16 AM
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All I want them is to show FFXV already

On the Move bit, hopefully they make games that are specifically for Move instead of forcing devs to implement it in any/all games.

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King James
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 11:31:52 AM
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After completing the easiest, cheesiest FF in my life (FF13), I gotta say that I honestly can't trust what Square-Enix has to say about the FF series anymore. I still can't believe I waited almost 5 years for this game! Such a disposable experience. I never thought I'd ever say that about an FF game.

I do believe FF13vs will be cool. But I doubt it'll hold up any FF standards. From the very beginning, it was never supposed to. Its a darker,more mature game (not FF). And, its a action RPG like Kingdom Hearts (not FF).

So I guess what I'm saying is....to all the ppl out there that expect FF13vs to be all that FF13 wasn't? Don't hold your breath. Read the facts and don't ignore them. U'll be a lot happier w/ FF13vs if you take the game for what it is and not for what you want it to be.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:01:03 PM

Finally

Someone who's actually reading the facts

FFXIIIVersus is not what people should be hoping for. It's not really a FF

It's a Kingdom Hearts/FF spinoff type of game.
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I warned you all 'bout FFXIII

Game looked bad when they started to show more of it. I knew it was gonna bomb.

We need to move on to FFXV already or FFXIII will end up being the only FF this gen.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 12:08:31 PM

A bomb that sold over 5 million copies very fast. lol

Though some on PSX are chattering about it only costing $5 bucks in Japan now. Sellers practically have to give it away.

I don't expect Square to give us anything remotely close to the PS1 and PS2 Final Fantasy experiences. They just aren't that Square anymore. I'm sure Versus XIII will be better then XIII but i don't count on it being the Final Fantasy we have all been waiting for.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:02:59 PM

Sadly there are a lot of sheeps

it's just like Cally of D00ty
Crap game, but sells a lot

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fluffer nutter
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:14:41 PM

Sheeps? Really? What about the meeses?

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 1:45:32 PM

Yeah, unfortunately FF Versus XIII, won't be the definitive FF of the generation. We must instead hold out hope for XV to be finished in time for the PS3s final hurrah. If it is good that is. I predict that it will be a very good game, and hopefully it is not at all dissimilar to previous iterations in the franchise, but I believe it will be a real time battle system. No random encounters. etc. I think the key to knowing more about the battle system lies in knowing more about the world of the game. I understand that the main characters have magical capabilities, and they are facing off against human opponents in the onloy trailer I have seen, and it does not seem like the kind of style that goes hand in hand with turn based. I get the feeling that it will be ridiculously fast gameplay, and taking on tons of enemies at a time.

It will feel like a first person shooter, or a third person shooter, but hopefully it still has the depth that can set it apart as an RPG.
Peace.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 8:36:21 PM

Uhhh...either someone hasn't ever played a FF before FFXIII, or they're forgetting.

FFXIII is arguably the most challenging FF ever. They've actually gotten tougher with each successive installment; take it from someone who has played every last one and invested at least 100 hours into all of them. The ONLY downside of FFVII was that it was SILLY easy. You wouldn't even come CLOSE to dying.

In FFXIII, you die a ton. Eidolons are extremely difficult and nothing about the final stages of that game can be considered "easy," even if you spent a lot of time grinding. I took down every ultimate challenge in every FF...I've done it all. To claim FFXIII is the "easiest" is entirely incorrect; in fact, it's the exact opposite.

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Underdog15
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 9:27:37 PM

No... FFXIII was not the cheesiest. You forget FFX-2.

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Jawknee
Monday, July 05, 2010 @ 11:00:09 AM

Yea X-2 was complete cheese. I didn't know if i was playing a Final Fantasy game or watching some crap Japanese drama with J-pop music.

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King James
Tuesday, July 06, 2010 @ 12:58:45 AM

Kinda late but I got a reply:

@Ben
IMO, the amount of times a player dies in a game isn't a determining factor in determining difficulty. But maybe I used the wrong diction. I won't say easiest. How about "least challenging"? "Most uninspiring"? "Least compelling"?

I consider FF13 the easiest b/c of that battle system. Its got some good ideas and looks great while running, but I never thought at any moment when I died, in that game, that I (meaning the player) did something wrong and that is why I failed.

In previous FFs, I couldn't say this with a str8 face. When I died I would sigh, retry, do the exact same paradigm shifts as b4 and win. THAT is not game difficulty to me. That's just beautifully rendered dice-rolls no working in your favor. I did nothing wrong. My characters are strong enough. I have the right equipment. I used the right Paradigms. It was just the luck of the draw. And in FF13 you crap out a lot. Plus, the game doesn't open up till Chap 11 out 13. Terrible.

BTW, FF7 was one of the hardest games I can recall playing a kid. I don't think I ever beat Ruby Weapon (wuz that the one underwater?).

@Underdog & Jawknee
True, but at least FFX-2 told you it was gonna be cheese. We all knew that game was gonna be corny. FFX was corny at times. HOWEVER, don't give me a expensive piece of chesse (FF13) and tell me, "This is gonna be the best meal (my RPG fix) I'll ever have this gen."
"No S-E, this is just cheese." I reply.
(FYI, the story in FF13 is throwaway imo)

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frylock25
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 2:17:38 PM
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anyone else see a MOVE based 3-d final fantasy coming at some point?

what if versus has move or 3d support?

i dont know if anyone else has brought this up but i think it is likely

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 2:29:44 PM

I given up on Square. They don't even seem to try anymore. ha

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 4:53:20 PM
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To be fair Heavy Rain could get even more intense with Move capability.

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Temjin001
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 5:25:01 PM
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FFVIII.

Okay, dang it.

So I found the White Seed ship sitting in a secluded area, but Ellone isn't there and the retard captain keeps kicking me off his ship.

Where do I go ?
I'm at Fisherman's Horizon. Lost.

Happy 4th everyone.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 6:30:51 PM

Did you get the letter from Edea? I think Ellone is in Esthar at this point.

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Jawknee
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 7:20:07 PM

Oh the memories. I downloaded FFVIII to my PSP but have yet to complete it on my PSP. Haven't played the entire game since high school.

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Temjin001
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 8:55:52 PM

@WorldEndsWithMe

Thanks, and I can't remember and I don't see any kind of log for the key events that have taken place in the plot. I'll go ahead and check out Esthar.
I started this game earlier in the year and then stopped. Every time I think about going back to play it some more I keep thinking about how I don't know where to go..

@JawKnee,

Yah, first time I played it was back when it first released and I got passed disc one. Then like many RPG's for me some other big game comes out that steels my attention away and I procrastinate coming back to the RPG until I resolve that I'll start it over again.... some day..... and then never do..

I'm trying to prevent FFVIII from swirling all the way down the toilet like it did many years ago hehe. Gotta keep it close to the top of the pile of games I have to play.

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Jawknee
Monday, July 05, 2010 @ 12:45:47 AM

That's how i have been with most RPG's this generation for some reason. Can't seem to finish. I finished VII, VIII and IX multiple times back in the day.

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sunspider13
Sunday, July 04, 2010 @ 8:23:22 PM
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Happy 4th to all the Americans here, to everyone else good day, lol.

Waiting to see what FFVXIII is going to be like, I passed on FFXIII to wait for it so here's hoping.

Gaming update...beat Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 a couple of weeks ago. I had a blast. Also beat Dante's Inferno Friday and it was fun for what it was. The combat was passable but the art direction is what stood out for me. But was fun nonetheless.

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