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Editorial: The Current State Of The RPG

What is the current state of the role-playing game in our industry? Well, it's complicated.

Turn-based, real-time, hybrids; it all comes together in one big jumble, and while hardcore fans of any given style will defend it to the death, all the while likely casting multiple aspersions on the other side, all forms have their merits. Having played a good 50 or 60 RPGs in my time (I've honestly lost count), ranging from the purest form of old-school turn-based to FPS/RPG hybrids like Deus Ex, I do believe I have the requisite information to perform an accurate compare and contrast concerning the state of the RPG. So many things have changed...

There's what's known as "pure turn-based," which is usually only found in strategy/RPGs like Disgaea or full-on strategy titles; this is when speed is not a concern. The player places and moves all his units and then the computer does the same. Simple. It's just very rare; even games like Final Fantasy Tactics may appear to be "purely turn-based," but in fact, because speed is a factor, they really aren't. Furthermore, unless you put Final Fantasy VII on "Wait," the enemies will still move whenever they get their turn; you can't have an infinite amount of time to decide on your decision. But while we're on the subject of speed, what exactly is "turn-based?" Remember, even in the games that appear to be entirely real-time may have time bars operating in the background, which essentially designates "turns."

In my eyes, any hacking and slashing makes an RPG real-time, which is why Nier is certainly real-time but Dragon Age: Origins - as you can always pause, issue orders, change things up, etc. - is "turn-based" even if there are no "turns," per se... But you see what's happening here. What even separates an RPG from the rest of the genres, many of which sport obvious role-playing elements in this generation? Is it only decision-making and player freedom that can be considered the defining attribute? Some always said if there were levels and experience, it'd be an RPG, but that'd be downright ridiculous to say now, right? But what about all the fresh stuff? Last year's Demon's Souls was unquestionably an RPG but really...what the hell was it?

My favorite game series of all time is Final Fantasy and that's because I always loved that particular turn-based style. Yes, I understand Baldurs Gate was also technically "turn-based," but we all know the inherent differences in how the two games are played is very clear. I've always been partial to that JRPG style and I will always claim it's one of the best ways to play a game. But they're all gone now (although I know they still exist on handhelds) and anything new won't be played like the early FFs or Suikodens or Wild ARMs or whatever. I accept that. But I can't even put my finger on what an RPG is right now; there's Fallout 3 and there's Eternal Sonata and there's White Knight Chronicles and there's Dragon Age...they're all blending together and yet...they're all very different.

So in the end, I answer the question at the start of this article, "what is the current state of the RPG?" with the following answer: I have no goddamn idea.. Sorry I couldn't clear that up for you. I just know that defining "role-playing" today is a tedious and potentially combustible trial.

P.S. The reason I used a FFVIII pic is because we post FFVII pics enough and quite honestly, VIII needs some lovin'.

7/9/2010 Ben Dutka

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Comments (121 posts)

Scarecrow
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:38:04 PM
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VIII > VII

So finally good to see the right game up there.

That said, FFX had the best battle system of all the FF games imo.

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As far as what an rpg is? Well it's hard to say.

Zelda for example is an Action RPG. Yet you don't level up (well you kinda do 'cause you get more life, better weapons, etc. as you progress)

Either way I can't really say that FFs battle system was my fave. All the FF battle systems were great, but there were also other jrpgs with great battle systems, imo.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:40:37 PM

"VIII > VII"

Wrong. But close. ;)

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Highlander
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:44:14 PM

(FFVII >= FFVIII) AND (FFVII <= FFVIII)

There, that should do it...

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:56:06 PM

I like IX personally more than both =P But I also feel ( VIII > VII ) < VI

LOL.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:04:00 PM

Say what you want about X-2, but it had an even better version of the ATB than X.

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neighber
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:41:46 PM

I agree that they are good but still most of the time you would spend pressing the same button, but the Legend Of The Dragoons(Ps1) jumped to the top of my list with their additions.It took timing little skill and good memory to make battles go through smoothly.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:52:59 PM

World: It did, but it hardly had a better story.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:06:57 AM

You got me there Ben, I was so underwhelmed that I did a rush job on it, not knowing there were multiple endings and got the bad one.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:27:42 AM

Oh, I did my standard FF thing...100+ hours and got the best ending. :)

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:29:01 AM

X-2 had the best battle system out of the majority of the ff games, shame the story was gutter trash

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Scarecrow
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:39:07 AM

FFX's battle system was better imo
The pace was better imo

200+ hours on FFX-2, loved every minute of it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:31:26 AM

Ben did you do your standard FF thing with XIII?

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johnld
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:46:01 AM

playing ff13 again seems more like a chore to me so i wont be playing it all over again. i like FFX battle system because you can actually use everyone in your party by switching members on the fly.

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webberfan
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 5:02:46 AM

i loved ffVIII. best soundtrack ever. still rock out to it today.

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TEG3SH
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 7:19:15 AM

Scarecrow strikes again FVIII> FVI>FFX>FFIX>FFVII.

Damn, all those replies !!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:06:32 PM

I did...sort of. 100+ hours to turn my characters into Gods as I always do, but when I realized they weren't really "Gods" even with stats of 3500 and 3000 for Strength and Magic for my characters...I lost interest.

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johnld
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:45:10 PM

thats what i thought too ben, i'll make my characters godlike then it would be easier to S class marks. then i tried S classing one of the easy marks and i still couldnt get it. gave up on that game.

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Vivi_Gamer
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 8:06:11 AM

I got the Paltinum on FFXIII :P and loved it all the way through finsihed it at around 110 hours.

as for rankingthe FF series i say VII, VIII, IX and X are in a whole league of there own, i dont even debate it any more i just class them all as masterpieces.

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Highlander
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:38:48 PM
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I'll comment on that image for now....

Nice. I always liked the Rinoa Heartilly character.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:05:25 PM

Me too, even if she was a bit ditzy, her being an airhead helped offset Squall's overthinking everything.

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Highlander
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:07:26 PM

It didn't hurt that she was cute... ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:09:10 PM

She was such a cutie in her little spacesuit...lol

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:13:17 AM

Ha I was going to post about Rinoa too. Too late.

She is a cutey.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:30:54 AM

kinda hurt when they showed the glass on her space suit helmet cracking, looked kinda morbid back then at first look

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Vitron
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:06:26 AM

Rinoa wasn't my favorite but she is cute :)

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johnld
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:47:52 AM

i kinda liked the fact that she didnt have a rack as big as tifa. the advent children tifa is great though.

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SolidFantasy
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 11:24:04 AM

Rinoa and Squall? I guess opposites attract.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:39:59 PM

They should ALL have a rack as big as Tifa, and that leather vest that restricted her in Advent Children was a ripoff to fans of that rack!

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:45:54 PM

Lulu from FF 10 had mighy fine bossoms as well.

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FullmetalX10
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:44:47 PM
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Stating it like that got me wondering as well, seeing as I had the same argument with one of my xbots who was saying halo(or gears of war, can't remember exactly which one) was sort of an rpg, because you could level up certain weapons and whatnot, so of course I went like, hell no, halo isn't an rpg, that obviously an fps. "But then are those leveling up parts rpg elements" asked the clever xbot. And you know, I can't tell you, you do get xp and use that to level up your character's attributes, but does this make it an rpg?
I don't know. To me an rpg still holds that image of a Japanese game like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts, always relying on awesome stories and great gameplay.

Also, shoutout to Karosso for helping me fix my pc, since most of my internet related things didn't work and the whole thing was overrun by viruses, now it's as good as back to normal again.

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Karosso
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 8:15:50 AM

Was glad it worked, some of this virus can ruin your Windows Operating System and nothing short of a clean install can fix it.
I feel the same way about this so called Third Person RPGs, it just feels wrong to call them RPGs even thou I loved Oblivion... Hope I'm not turning into a Roger Ebert LOL

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:49:31 PM
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I think the only way to answer the question these days is by saying "It feels like an RPG" and that's about as close as one can get to a definition.

However I won't accept that turn based on consoles is dead, I have faith that if a Suikoden VI and/or a Persona 5 show up, they will hold to their respective styles.

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Alienange
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:32:42 PM

And don't forget Dragon Quest. The day Dragon Quest is no longer turn based is the day I shed a tear... on the inside.

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kraygen
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:20:33 AM

If only dragon quest hadn't been crapped out onto the ds, should have been a ps3 game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:49:32 AM

I do wonder if DQ will ever return to consoles though. World hits slime. -2 Slime.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:50:35 PM

Well Trinity Universe is turned based and it just came out for PS3 only. Its yet again a new fresh way of implementing the turn base style so I don't believe its dead either.

Just need a game dev to start leading the way again. Like Metal Gear Solid creator was saying, Japanese Devs have somehow lost their motivation and innovation.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:50:35 PM

Well Trinity Universe is turned based and it just came out for PS3 only. Its yet again a new fresh way of implementing the turn base style so I don't believe its dead either.

Just need a game dev to start leading the way again. Like Metal Gear Solid creator was saying, Japanese Devs have somehow lost their motivation and innovation.

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Highlander
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:51:58 PM
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I think we're back to that old discussion about RPGs. Is it sufficient to call a game an RPG, or does there need to be a sub-genre classification?

For example, JRPGs, SRPGs, RTRPGs, and so on.

Perhaps the trick here is to accept the wider definition of RPG and instead to look at the genre within the overall RPG classification. I've aregued long and hard that SE is making a mistake by lumping all gamers together and trying to serve them as one market. We gamers are obviously not a single group. So why do we talk of RPG games in that way? Should we not also recognize that there are different genre of RPG within the overall RPG classification?

Let's take turn based JRPG games for example. The traditional turn based JRPG is alive and well, in Japan on the hand held consoles. the fact that it's not made much of an appearance on the home consoles yet is a pity, but the genre isn't dead. If we talk of RPGs as if all are now real time and turn based is no more, we ignore so many games, even games on the PS3 and 360. So I don't think we can do that. But I do think we can define those sub-genre better.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:08:03 PM

I think the sub-genre issue is mostly for deciding on a purchase. I know to stay away from SRPGs because I hate 99% of them, but am intrigued by all JRPGs.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:37:15 PM

@World,

Trust me there are some really great SRPGs, starting with Valkyria Chronicles

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:09:28 PM

So far Valkyria Chronicles is the only SRPG I have been able to stomach since the SNES days. That's why I said 99%. VC is awesome no matter what.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:34:45 AM

wouldn't FF Tactics count as an SRPG? if so its one of the best ones

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Vitron
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:18:53 AM

How bout disgaea? Well if you can't stomach it, its okay, its just amatter of opinion anyway.


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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 11:49:18 PM

I did rent Disgaea 3, but it was so tedious it was either return the game or shoot myself in the brain. I returned the game.

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frostface
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 9:52:03 PM
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I loved Dragons Age Origins. It was the first RPG I played that I really enjoyed. Everything from building my charactor and allocating stats to them, very cool. But I never expected it to open up my world to games like Nier, Resonance of Fate or to go back to the store and pick up Fallout 3 after returning it prior to having DA:O. Glad I did re-purchase that game.
Nothing ever braced me for Demon's Souls though. It's ruined me that game. I can't play other games for very long now without feeling the urge to farm up some souls and grind myself through Boletaria. I would of said DA:O was my favourite RPG after clearing it, but I have to say Demon's Souls is my favourite game of any genre.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:10:13 PM

You better gear up for the strip of New Vegas, it's gonna be a blast.

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frostface
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 5:40:29 AM

Combined with me outta work, with all that time on my hands makes having that game, a bad bad (but oh hell yeah good), combo.

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Alistair
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:03:58 PM
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My favorite so far is Dragon Age Origins, altough I love White Knight Chronicles, and Demon's Souks, and like FFXIII and the series. I for one am psyched about Dragon Age 2, I'm definitely picking it the day it comes out, long live Dragon Age Origins :D

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:13:40 PM
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there is literally still no "CLASSIC" textbook sample of JRPGs this gen on PS3, the only one that is close to that "CLASSIC" feeling is Lost Odyssey, but unfortunately only on xbox360.

many times, I am just wondering why cant they just inherit all what is great in the PS2 area for JRPGs? -- deep music, big world map, turn based magic and battle system and customization, mini games .... you know, the only change needed from the PS2 JRPG from this gen JRPG is the HD graphics --- so I just wonder why cant they just do that.

Sadly enough, there is even not one single developer willing to do that or thought about that simple method; instead, everybody is talking about revolution, revolution of what??? revolution to go backwards, revolution to lose the great recipe. that's all I have seen this gen so far -- they have gone too far, so far that you don't even know what great things they have lost.

nothing more to say

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Temjin001
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:14:28 PM
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One of the funniest moments I've experienced in gaming happened with FFVIII. It was hilarious when Squall asked the students in their cafeteria to hide all the hot dogs from the invaders. "Don't let them get any of 'em!"


hehehe Good stuff.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:39:41 PM

lol, I don't think I ever chose the hot dog option.

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Scarecrow
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:41:20 PM

Oh god!

I miss comedy in rpgs

that's one of the things I REALLY do miss......
Amazing how all ps1 FFs had a bit of that :D

Not just FF though, many of the ps1 rpgs were very comical at times. My fave has to be Thousand Arms. It also helps that it's an anime style rpg :). Ah...the good 'ol days.

Stuff like Barret getting mad or Wakka not trusting Rikku and going "OMG we can't side with them!" lol

man...

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napoleon85
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:45:04 PM

I remember that part, nonetheless the funniest moment in my opinion is Snow's expression when Vanille shows her lie cieth mark in FFXIII.

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Vitron
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:21:26 AM

Squall ordered that?! :)

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Temjin001
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:58:18 AM

I think Lunar had some references to Mountain Dew. That was pretty cool, and un-expected.
Dew was part of games even before Halo.

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SayWord
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:36:35 PM
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I loved final fantasy 8 more so then 7. I miss the classic jrpgs. To me an rpg is amazing character interactions with tons of character growth and development. A story that is deep and emotional that ties into the characters. This allows time for you to grow and love the characters in that rpg. You really only get that in jrpgs, but it seems japan is loosing its faith in what made jrpgs what they are!:(

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SayWord
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 10:41:29 PM
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I'm so passionate about jrpgs that I have to say something else. I grew up only playing jrpgs besides mario and what not and this still hasn't changed to this day. I get frantic with each jrpg that comes out only to get disappointed (not always). I know a lot of you grew up playing those wonderful rpgs and now it feels like we are forgotten, dismissed. This is really out there but I'm blaming microsoft and that damn 360. With the release of the 360 brought the release of twitch games. And oh boy they sold! With developers mind set in those are the only games they sell we see less of the type of games we grew up on! Less platform, rpg and what not. This also ties into japanese games as well! They thinl all north america wants are fps or games where you don't even get enough time to get invested into the emotions of other characters! Ahh ima stop sorry lol

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Highlander
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:01:04 PM

Welcome, brother, you will find a welcome home here. It appears that you share our opinions on many things, especially twitch gamers and Microsoft.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:06:57 PM

You might not be too far off the mark insofar as the 360 release seems to have coincided with Japanese developers completely flushing their old formulas down the toilet in order to cater to that market, no matter that the thing won't sell in Japan. They liked the kickbacks.

Because of this there isn't even an attempt to cater to fans of PS1 and PS2 era JRPGs because they all assume that we have become twitchers due to the fact the the 360 sold so well in America.

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SayWord
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:39:40 PM

Aren't americans to blame as well? I have nothing against america, I am canadian with tons of family all over the states. I love it there and most of the time the people are awesome. But its nostly their fault for supporting the 360 like it was their lord and savior. Same goes with all the fps out there.
I'm heavy into modnation racers and I love anime, so 37 of my published mods are all anime or jrpg game characters. You know what? They get downvoted the second I publish them! I spend hours naking these things for people to appreciate (lol they are actually really good mods) and it just shows the ignorance of people toward japanese games and culture:(

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:09:05 AM

Haha Sayword has been around for awhile.

He's right though. I agree with him 100%. Gone are the days of Final Fantasy greatness all because of the 360 and it's twitch gaming nonsense.

Sayword, I wouldn't blame anyone but the devs. They didn't have to jump on the twitch band wagon. Look at kojima. He stayed true and it payed off. Peace Walker and MGS4 are two of the best games this gen.


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Vitron
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:11:14 AM

I'm just new on PS3 and haven't played any PS2s or PS1s but my favorite JRPGs are on portables still: Golden Sun 2, Megaman Battlenet, and Brave Story

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Lawless SXE
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:06:10 PM
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When I read "I have no goddamn idea" I laughed. So rare for Ben to be out of ideas.

For me, an RPG is an RPG, but what can be called an RPG? Valkyria Chronicles, yes. Oblivion, Fallout 3, yes. I haven't played enough of Demon's Souls or FFXIII yet to form an opinion. Some say Bioshock has RPG themes, but no. GOW, no, even with the weapon levelling. GTA: San Andreas, yes and no.

I'm not sure. For me, RPGs represent the freedom. They have a relatively deep levelling system, an open world is preferable, but not necessary, a focus on the story with levels, each of which has a definite focus, not unlike chapters of a book, a goal. That last one is, I think, what marks an RPG. But that would make Uncharted an RPG... damn. I mean, Fallout and Oblivion each has the story divided into different missions that require a certain outcome, VC has the chapters of the book, so in my mind, that combined with a levelling system is one decrees RPG.

And you can say that most games are divided into chapters, but are they really? Most games splits still focus on getting you to the final goal, while RPGs do not. They focus on completion of a set goal, then set you up for what comes next, never really looking towards the ultimate goal until it is just beyond reach.

But then, my RPG experience consists of five games, so that automatically discludes me from being right in my assumptions.
Peace all.

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tes37
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:22:59 PM
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Lol at your assessment of the current state of RPG's. I may have had a similar answer if posed the question, but I doubt my answer would have been as professional. I'm being light-hearted and not a smart *ss.

FF is my all time favorite turn based RPG because the style is unique ( or used to be ) to that particular franchise. Although I really like White Knight Chronicles, it doesn't compare to FF's of old.

I was so looking forward to SE blowing me away with the ps3, but it looks like that'll never happen.

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Alienange
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:40:44 PM
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RPGs aren't just about stats and leveling up. RPGs give players a world to live in. People to talk to. Vast choices of weapons and equipment. They make a player grind out battles to raise their level so they can take on more advanced side quests and so forth.

Having a shooter with RPG elements certainly doesn't make it an RPG. What it's doing is adding a single RPG feature in order to make the gameplay more addictive.

Of course you're going to get the occasional hybrid game that "feels" like an RPG, but that's just because devs want to be innovative. Sometimes those innovations even work out.

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CHAOS THEORY X
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 11:44:33 PM
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Good article. IMO FFVIII>=FFX>FFVII>others.
I enjoy the more open world in VIII. and flying the ship...which is always a big plus haha. it was also my first

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:15:13 AM

I always thought VII, VIII, and IX were always similar as far as being open world.

X was defiantly more linear. Linear like XIII but 100X better.

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CHAOS THEORY X
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:25:17 AM

ah, yea well I was rating the story of the three. and with VIII and X being close to #1 I put my reason for choosing VIII over X. You are correct, though.

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mad pony
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:11:55 AM
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So hard to understand why the RPG makers seem to have abandoned playstation this gen. Kinda makes me a bit apprehensive of the next gen.

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eLLeJuss
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:22:12 AM
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Asian definition of RPG : "Build a party with characters of different personalities then save the world against the evil bad guy which will turn out not too bad after all at the end"

American definition of RPG : "Roam around an open world, making/customizing your own weapon and choosing between being good and bad. Also alot of gore included"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:53:01 AM

That's pretty close, except Dragon Age has many varying characters instead of one, but the bad guy is still super bad.

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:24:20 AM
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Growing up I could never get into anything rpg unless it was Final Fantasy. I tried other games like Vagrant Story and Eternal Sonata, but i just can't get into them like Final Fantasy.

This is sad for me because haven't been able to get into anything since DragonQuest VIII.

This is so sad. I want 1997 through when ever DragonQuest VIII came out back.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:53:32 AM

Play the Suikodens dude.

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johnld
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:38:46 AM

dragon lord armor for dragonquest 8! i kicked that dragon challenge's ass. i forgot my monster team though. i didnt even think about buying dragonquest 8. all i wanted was the ff12 demo. glad i played it though i found it pretty funny that if you put the right clothes combination on the girl she changes outfit. she was a bunny girl for most of the game, hahaha.

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Temjin001
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:55:45 AM

The Suikodens have duck people. Never played any of them (except for a little of the first). I just know they have duck people.

What's not to like about that?

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 2:32:00 AM

Which one World?

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kraygen
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:48:23 AM

start with the first jawknee, it's the only one I've played, because so many of them are hard to find, but you can get the first off the psn, woot!

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Jawknee
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 11:56:16 AM

Cool. Thanks Kraygen.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:35:29 PM

The absolute MUST plays are II, III, and V

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kraygen
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 2:35:28 AM

Only problem is that 2 is one of the most rare games in existence apparently and costs a fortune to buy if you can find a copy.

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Jawknee
Monday, July 12, 2010 @ 12:25:25 AM

I have a pal who owns every single one. I can probably get him to loan it to me. He bugged me to play them for years and i ignored him. ha!

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kraygen
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:34:57 AM
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Just because a game has an element of rpg, doesn't mean that's what it is. When watching movies, if a drama makes you laugh once that doesn't make it a comedy.

Personally ff7 is my fav of all time, materia over magic draw any day. The gunblade aspect was also a little to arcade-like for me during battles. Other than that, they both have an amazing story, but ff7 is the only game that ever made me cry.

Currently playing ff9 for the first time and loving it so far, definitely not been disappointed.

I know a lot of ppl love ff 10, but the one thing about 10 that drove me nuts was Tidus. Had to be the most brain dead character ever. I won't give anything away for those who haven't played it, but the fact that he didn't get what was going on until they explained it to him, man I just wanted to knock him upside the head the entire game and be like "Wake up ya moron!" Other than that it was great.

I love a variety of rpgs, I really enjoy games with a lot of options, free roaming, leveling, equipment choices. Any game with a great story, exploration, customization, leveling, and great characters, those are my rpgs, regardless of what anyone else thinks of them.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:42:04 AM

9 has like the BEST ending out of the ps1 main FF games, imo. If you are loving it already, trust me it only gets better, im currently replaying it now, on disk 3.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:46:52 AM

Tidus is one of the best male leads in FF

His world was different, his life was different. You really can't expect him to know everything from a world he has barely lived in.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:58:33 AM

Not sure who thumbed you down for saying what you like and don't like AND explaining it, BUUUT in the way of defending Tidus it was clear to me that they were trying to take the main character's person in a way different direction. Cloud was deluded but tough, Squall was top of his class, Zidane was your typical rascal, but Tidus was the first time they used a Jock. Jocks... well, they aren't historically intelligent and are largely emotionally disrupted by their fathers. And even though he wasn't a fighter at first, his competitive will made him one.

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Milonakis
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:13:07 AM

IX had a disappointing end. It just kinda ended, I didn't like it.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 3:04:46 AM

just kinda ended? to each his own but to me it had the best closure out of ps1 FF games and it was pretty moving. Much better than 7's ending, now thats an ending that just kinda ends, i expected more from the ending but then it just cuts off and flashes forward some years and we see RedXIII. If it wasn't Advent Children that ending would still feel pretty damn empty

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kraygen
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:59:45 AM

@ world

True Tidus was a jock, I never got along with jocks, never liked them, thought most of them were pre-pubescent brained morons. Kinda how I felt about Tidus. LOL

Haven't finished 9, so please no spoilers for it, but I can already tell that it's not going to be my favorite. I simply love everything they did with 7, 9 is great so far, but the learning abilities and magic through clothing isn't really my favorite. I do however like Zidane and his 2-handed weapons. Thats pretty awesome.

Honestly 10 was a little too linear for me, not being able to do a majority of the side missions until you're at the end of the game is kinda a bummer for me, they're side missions not end missions. Also I've only played it once and didn't realize that everyone could share the same abilities, it doesn't explain it very well, so oops. Also if you used Yuna the game was super easy, just summon and you win, even boss's were easy. Just my thoughts on the game any way. I'll definitely play it again tho. I enjoyed it, just not my fav of the series.

FINAL FANTASY 7 ***SPOILER ALERT****

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I really loved the end of 7, it appeared as tho they had succeeded in saving the planet which is what they were trying to do. Life goes on, that's true and I happened to love it.
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TEG3SH
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 7:24:10 AM

I dunno, Tidus and Zell were my favorite characters of all FF universe. and Sin was super hard, not as ultimicia though

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:37:24 PM

Milo? Did you stick around for the end after the credits in IX? Cuz the only way I can see it "just kinda ending" is if you didn't

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aaronisbla
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 12:35:13 AM

World thats kinda what i was thinking

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aaronisbla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:40:05 AM
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Not sure how to word this so i'll just say it. Real gamers who play rpgs know one when they play one. Its not something you can easily describe to an outsider looking in but we know it in our gut when its an rpg

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 12:59:30 AM

bump

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:00:33 AM
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I would like to say something (as if I haven't spammed this thread enough) WHY oh WHY is that banner Ad constantly up in my grill? Why can't it stay on the bottom where it belongs? Can't somebody please do something about this obscene error in my line of typing and reading!?

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Milonakis
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:14:15 AM

Just use firefox with adblock plus and it gets rid of every banner ad including that one. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:31:45 AM

I have it, and it's on!

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kraygen
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 5:01:33 AM

in that case world, you should be able to right click the banner and add it to the ban list.

It's odd tho, because I've never seen an add here using add block plus. Thought about turning it off a couple of times just to see what everyone's always talking about. lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:43:26 PM

Thank God for you Kraygen, I blocked that sh*t ice cold.

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johnld
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:35:23 AM
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i dont really get why square thought that releasing their rpgs exclusively on the 360. i mean, all the 360 fans, even the original xbox fans, are mostly if not all shooter fans. they seem surprised that their rpgs are tanking here in the west. Most 360 users have short attention spans that if the game wasnt a shooter or instant gratification, it will be ignored. Although not an rpg, alan wake had a good concept but it required players to think, which just scares away 360 users. the square enix....scratch that, squaresoft fans are on the playstation brand. Cater to your loyal fans damn it. and if the quality of the game is really amazing, those 360 users will buy a ps3 system to buy it. the same way some ps2 users bought an xbox or and xbox 360 to play halo. That may be a bad game comparison quality wise because final fantasy games are way up there while halo is mediocre at best.

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___________
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 1:39:41 AM
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its not how it use to be, which is disappointing but there are some fun interesting RPG styles that replace the old.
ive kissed RPGs of old goodbye, i really cant see many new games of the old style releasing it seems that developers are not interested in them anymore no matter what their fans want.

though RPGs like borderlands, fallout, mass effect and alpha protocol are decent substitutes.
elder scrolls is the closest thing we have to the older styled RPGs, close but not quite there yet.
shame, id love to see a new digemon game.
its funny, i hated the pokemon games but loved digemon even though it was almost the same game.

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Ultimate_Balla
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 2:14:16 AM
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Yo. Where does Metal Gear Acid fit in? You had a turn, then the enemies did, you moved about with cards, additionally more could be acquired in certain stages to strengthen your deck of 30 to your liking.

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Ergi
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 7:44:16 AM
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I just purchased final fantasy 13, and started playing it last night. I still don't know what to think, it feels weird. I'm refusing to use AutoBattle, let's see how long that lasts. Allot of genres are blending and as mentioned, it's getting harder to classify games. Which i don't really like, somehow ff13 made me feel like I was playing Bayonetta or something. I'm glad however that i can still enjoy it.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 7:57:24 AM
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Funny, because the genre RPG seems to have the most variety of gameplay mechanic.

Ranging from hack and slash, shooters, tactics and turn-based.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 9:08:12 AM
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This is the problem i have with modern most modern-western RPG games:

They're games like Fallout and Fable, the main character is completely customisable, from appearance to personality. while it is god and fun to play still the problem with hacving the character you control so customisable is that they always have no personailty, i think back to Fallout there arent really any memorable characters unlike Final Fantasy or Star Ocean.

It is also due to the structure of the story, Fallout an Fables story is more based on what you do, while in Final Fantasy you have a set out story which you play through, FF's way is just structured beteer for more character development. we see the lead characters from a 3rd person view rather than 1st.

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LightShow
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 9:56:59 AM
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ive always thought that games like fallout or even borderlands that call themselves RPGs are inaccurate labels. so the character isnt a stagnant element that never changes. that doesnt make it an rpg.

RPGs had this thing going for them back in the day, that the more you played the more powerful you became. duh, right? nobody else did it. well, almost nobody else did it. zelda kinda did it. point being, just because the RPG was the first genre to incorporate character development does not mean its an RPG trait.

(therefore we can conclude that everyone else is simply playing catchup by incorporating so-called RPG elements into their shooters or football games =D)

RPGs were all about a story sucking you in and making you feel like you were in it, like a good book. you played the role of a person (or group of people) in a story that the game told. all these western RPGs are misnamed, theyre no more an RPG than a "pick your own adventure" book is a fantastic story like The Hobbit.

(thats not to say they arent phenomenal games in their own right)

so, i feel the current state of the rpg is that since people dont have the attention span for classic rpgs anymore, the things that they had going for them are being incorporated into the different genres. i have a feeling it will be hibernating here for maybe 2 years before it surges back in popularity.

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GamerO1
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 11:18:49 AM
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If you want a true JRPG for the PS3, get the new Trinity Universe. I'm loving it!!! However, it's got "Japan" written all over it. You have to be able to enjoy a lot of cut scenes, humor, Turn Based, Creation, and a lot more. It's Fantastic!!! Great Anime, Good English Translation, and a whole lot of play time!!!
Also, my personal all time favorite SRPG is Vandal Hearts for the Playstation. The First One. Fantastic Story, Great Control, Hidden Objects, and much more. Try playing without losing any characters - a Real Challenge, but doable!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 5:57:38 PM

Is it a strategy game? That's what I was worried about before I get it. I'll do traditional JRPG, but I can't do something like Disgaea.

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SolidFantasy
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 11:31:06 AM
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I should hope that sooner or later some developer has to put together the effort and bang out a AAA title "old school" RPG. The ones that Ben mentioned.

We may be a small group in comparison to the twitch gamer crowd. But a strong group never the less. I mean come on in our current state of RPGs I'm sure the hard core old school gamers would pull through and make such a game profitable.

I'm looking for the kind of RPG that has absolutely no consideration for the FPS fan. One that would give the twitch gamer the middle finger if he tried to comprehend such a story driven and strategy demanding game.

Someday RPGs will rise again.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 2:35:28 PM

That would be an amazing comeback!

Sucks that Sony doesn't do rpgs anymore. They should form an rpg division again. I love and respect Level 5, but they can only do one rpg at any given time.

I think Sony needs to form an rpg division like they did in the ps1 days and bring back what made jrpg great.

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SuMtOnE
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 2:11:15 PM
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Final Fantasy VI =)

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Pandacastro
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 4:59:19 PM
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I never really like FFVIII because at the last boss battle all I did was keep on using aura on everyone to use there limit breaks and there was no point of summoning monsters no more. So far I like FFIX because its makes using everything I have fun.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 5:11:15 PM

really, i did not find that with IX, I never felt the need to use Freya or Quina because of there rubbish abilities, and arnet replaced Eiko as the healer. In FF8 you could pretty much change to a character of your preference.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:45:42 PM

Quina was the ultimate failure of a character.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 12:45:35 AM

Quina was a complete waste of a character. At first i thought maybe Quina would go totally underrated and then boom, beast of a character. Sucks he was just a space filler

I thought he'd be like Peco From Breath of Fire 3. Peco sucked ass at first glance until people started realizing if leveled up in the right path with the right master, he was the strongest character on the game bar none. In fact, BoF3 players often refer to using a beefed up Peco as Easy Mode lol.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 12:46:15 AM

and Freya was probably the worse Lancer on a FF game to date.

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WolfCrimson
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 3:32:42 AM

Wait wait wait... Quina and Freya, rubbish? Quina was the ONLY character that had Wind and Earth magic, heat, freeze, vanish, MIGHTY GUARD, and a superb MP destroying move, Magic Hammer. Not to mention his unique support abilities like Millionaire. Freya is the only character with the 'Initiative' and 'Dragon Killer' support abilities, which came in pretty handy, and had a mass Regen ability. Plus, Jump rocks.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 5:15:50 AM

All of those skills and they decide to give it to Quina, horrible choice of character design on Squares part. He had damn near no story worth mentioning. At least Cait Sith from FF7 actually played somewhat of a significant role

Jump is awesome till you realize that its not offering as much of a significant boost ( till you learn high jump ability ) and Zidane, Steiner and Amarant can do just as much damage if not more without the wait. The only dragon skill worth using besides the Reis Wind is Dragon Crest, but its dependent on how many dragons you've killed with her in the party

The only times i actually have to use Quina and Freya is during the battle with Ozma, it kinda makes the fight easier with the right set up on them but doesn't change my opinion about them being damn near useless



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FM23
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 6:08:22 PM
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Never was a fan of 'back in the day' RPG's, but I do love Fallout 3 and Demons Souls.

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Slime
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 5:28:40 AM
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In my opinion the -state of the rpg today- is fine there are plenty of good rpg's around I personally really enjoyed Darksiders, Dragon Age and Enhanted Arms even FF13 and soon diablo 3 will be out.

But the -state of the rpg I want to play today- is very poor because I want a Final fantasy game with beautifull grafics and it to be a mixture of the best parts for me of FF7,8,10,10-2 and I want the option of playing with the wait command on so I can sit back and relax while playing.

And here lies the problem rpg's are many different things to many different people for me its Final fantasy to other people its Fallout or Oblivion
yet for others FF prior to 7 where the best.

So in the end it seems I may have the same problem as ben as there is a myraid of rpg's and styles to play but I'v gotten old and crotchety and I want to play MY style of RPG and not anyones elses but the game developers arent listening to crotchety old people stuck in there ways, ha bugger my mother warned me this would happen one day and I never listened :(


Things I like about final fantasy games are:

Epic storys
Beautifull Grafics in a otherworldly way that only square seem to do
Fantastic music
Sephiroth
Spira
Materia
Summons
Sphere Grid
Triple Triad card game
Tetra Master card game
new game + in ffx-2

Some things I dont particually like are :

The cutesy grafics of FF9
Blitzball
The active Dimension Battle system of FF12

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BikerSaint
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 9:05:51 PM
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Man, I don't know what is is but I just never been able to get into the RPG's.

I've got tons of them in my PS1 & P@2 collections, and have sampled every one of them hoping that I'd enjoy them, but I found I really can't get into them & I get either bored out of my gourd, or I get totally frustrated with all the spells, magic, taking turns, etc, etc right away.

I've even tried to go back & play FF7 & Tactics every few years, just in the hopes that they can finally sway me, but still to this day, it's to no avail.

I've also played my PS2 FFX, FFX-2, FFXI, & FF XII too, and although they were 100% more interesting to me, I really couldn't totally get their game-play either.

FYI, I did get much further along in each of my PS2 FF games, but mainly cause I just wanted to immerse myself into the art itself, of each game.

And the whole time while playing them, the only 1 constant thing I kept on thinking was "Damn these games really a grind, but they're so beautiful that I just wish they was done as movies, rather than games".

But I don't think I'm ready to sign up a Twitcher 12-step program just yet, cause I still enjoy playing almost anything else, except for sports, or most strategy games.

BTW, I just happened to come across a 2003 PS2 game called "Culdcept" yesterday & the cover art alone sucked me in(not even realizing it was a RPG & a card game at that).

Well, It was in mint condition, with a perfect manual & case so I wound up buying it for $6 to add into my collection.

Now, I only had enough time last night to do little more than just to pop it in & watch the demo & also quickly skim through the manual.

It looks like some of the game's graphics are great, but....
Holy Shite, after seeing how much frigging stuff that's in the manual, that you have to do, I think my brain's going to be fried sunny-side up in just the first couple minutes.

But I'm always game(pun intended)to try any game that's new to me, so I'll go in with an semi-virginal open mind & give this RPG a chance to win me over.

BTW, just curious here....has anyone actually played this "Culdcept" game, and by using in game-cards, would it still be considered as a real/true RPG too? And if so, did you consider it a decent RPG, or at least a good game???

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cyoung101
Monday, July 12, 2010 @ 1:33:50 PM
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Software developers seem to have given up on RPG's this generation. I would say for every 10 RPG that come across the PS3 only two are good ones. The old dogs like Square have totally sold out to short action based gaming.

I think it's up to gamers that know code to create good RPG's. We need innovation not based solely on profit like the creators did with the original counterstrike.

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