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Dante Needs Cole's Plastic Surgeon

Well now, it appears we have another image snafu on our hands.

You probably remember the first one. It had to do with an unexpected character overhaul that generated quite the backlash; the bad-ass that was the original Cole in Sucker Punch's inFamous disappeared and in his place, a backpack-toting, skateboardin' douchebag (or so he was often called) appeared. But thankfully, said backlash was severe enough and the fans were vocal enough, and the developers did something rarely seen before: they reacted to fan feedback and changed Cole's image. We didn't get the original Cole back, but new Cole is better; you can get a good look at the re-overhauled hero in this recent gameplay video.

But will Ninja Theory do the same thing? It might be too early to tell, but if one were to take an early litmus test of the average fan's mood, the results would be clear: nobody seems to like the new Dante. And the worst part is, the developers and Capcom remade the character specifically to cater to the Western audience...and that audience hasn't responded well. If you missed it, you can check out the first screenshots and the debut trailer that premiered at the Tokyo Game Show this past week. The action is nice and Ninja Theory probably has what it takes, but it's just that image...the "emo loser" description seems to be flying around the Internet. Now, whether or not it's young Dante or a whole new Dante is currently unknown but that clarification almost seems irrelevant.

The question is whether or not the backlash will get big enough, and if it does, whether or not the designers will do anything about it. But maybe this is jumping the gun. Maybe only the naysayers flooded in first with their replies because...well, because the hostile fools that tend to populate most message boards have massive inferiority complexes and simply must be heard in a virtual space. They're ignored in reality, after all. But anyway, what say you? Should Ninja Theory follow the same route as Sucker Punch? Or will it not matter at all? Great games tend to override such matters and we're guessing the gameplay in the new DMC is gonna be awesome. But when we have a main character nobody seems to like...

9/17/2010 Ben Dutka

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Comments (77 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 9:54:39 PM
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the new guy, he looks like he could be a young inexperienced-in-demon-powers and not-yet-scared-silver Dante. He clearly has the same attitude, wheres Cole was changed into a surfer or skateboarder or something.

But if they go and change it back I got no problem with that either. The moral of the story is that Westernization pisses off Westerners. We tend not to like it very much.

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Shams
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:23:50 PM

Agreed. I initially made a comment of the game (not having seen the vid for myself as our office network blocked it). What i was most worried about is that we'd be seeing a repeat of DMC2, arguably the weakest game in the series.

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Shams
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:06:20 AM

But the new junkie look was definitely salt on an open wound.

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:25:38 AM

I agree with TWEWM. The new young Dante looks like a teenager with anger issues, which is, I think, precisely what the developers were going for. He's inexperienced, he hasn't learned how to fully control his abilities yet, and he's pissed off. The look works for that. Maybe by the end of the game we'll see a little more of the original Dante come through, but if not, meh, I'm pleased.

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Karosso
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:07:46 AM

Yep, it does not look that bad but, changing a character that much is just strange, it takes something away from the game...
Now... HELP, HELP, HELP, HELP!!!
Sorry World for going of topic on your thread but, my PS3 just keeps giving me the message "The hard disk's file system is corrupt and will be restored" I tried to run the restore a bunch of times but no dice :( does anyone knows if I can still pull my saves out of it somehow? Does any of the Linux live CDs can read PS3 partitions?
Many thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide!

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keo7
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:19:00 AM

One thing that hit me so hard is that Dante never smoke or drink but he drinks strawberry sundays. Which is his style and never should be change. Of course the new look will be quite hard to accept by fans since it is same for previous 4 games.

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Rings0fUranus
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 9:56:43 AM

He looks like something out of Twilight or something...

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Wissam
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 7:02:50 PM

I have a strong feeling this will be anther silent hill. the trailer was a pain for old
DMC fans.

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Snaaaake
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 10:19:52 PM
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I was a bit upset about this before, but now I've calmed down. Ninja Theory handling DMC is not all that bad, they are after all a proven studio.

Again, I was upset they changed Dante but the more I look at him, the more I like, but the problem for me is that he look nothing like Dante. Remove the fighting scene from the trailer and you wouldn't know it's friggin' Dante.

If they can do this to one of their big franchise, I have fear that in the future Mega Man will be holding a gun instead of shooting from his arm.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 10:36:08 PM
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I don't like the new look. At all. I mean, Nero can't have been any older than twenty-ish and his hair was silver. It doesn't make sense for Dante to be a brunette, or blackhead, or whatever colour you want to call it. He's half-demon and the white hair is a series staple.

I think that, no matter how large the fan backlash, Ninja Theory will not change Dante back, simply because they are a new developer working on what they consider to be a new take on the franchise, rather than another entry into the existing canon. Another thing that bothers me is why in the hell are they not doing Devil May Cry 5, and rounding up all the unresolved plot points of the series before rebooting it. Who exactly is Nero and his relationship to Dante/Sparda? What happened to Dante after the end of DMC2 and how did the guy find Yamato in DMC4? More importantly, is Vergil really finished?

Oh, and Capcom promised me DMC: Dance of Sparda. I still want that, even though it was cancelled. Scrap NT's project and give me that instead. Let NT work on an IP all of their own rather than forcing them to b*stardise one beloved by many.
Peace.

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Kangasfwa
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:09:19 PM

"Who exactly is Nero and his relationship to Dante/Sparda?"

Maybe this guy is a younger Nero? We don't know his history before joining the Order or how his devil trigger was awakened. Maybe his hair turned white when his DT was awakened. Maybe he lost his arm and was saved by the Order. We don't really know anything beyond a kid wearing a red cloak while fighting demons. Capcom made an origin game after DMC2 so maybe we're getting an origin game for Nero now that he's part of the series.

I can't offer an explanation for why he calls himself "Dante." Unless we're getting a reboot. Which I agree is stupid.

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Temjin001
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:17:04 PM

I'd be real upset if Tecmo ever re-booted the look of NG while it was still an on-going series. DMC isn't as close to my heart as NG so this change isn't too hard for me to swallow. But more of a concern is how this re-design will boil over onto other japanese games. In a way, I hope it performs worse than DMC4. THis way no other company will try and follow Capcom's lead.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:40:43 PM

I'm not the biggest fan of DMC, only having played the latest two, but it sh*ts me to tears to know that there are so many things unresolved and they are planning to leave it as is.

Kangasfwa,
But Nero's DT first activated during the course of DMC4 **SPOILERS** when he got a hold of Yamato. **END SPOILERS** Unless you're referring to his demonic arm. Which is another unresolved question in the series.

Master Temjin,
Given the popularity of the current gen consoles now and when DMC4 was released, I can only see this selling far better. Following your logic, we may well see this happening a great many more times, starting undoubtedly with Resident Evil and slowly spreading outwards. Dare I say Parasite Eve, Yakuza, Persona, perhaps even Suikoden will get 'Western' reboots? BTW, wasn't NG already rebooted from its days on the SNES and SEGA consoles, or were those storyline all wrapped up before the modern incarnation?
Peace.

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Kangasfwa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:14:59 AM

Yeah... I messed up there. I was thinking of Nero's devil arm. (-_-)

Wasn't Nero's devil trigger a little weird though? It was right handed--Nero is left handed remember--and a huge spectral-thing instead of a physical transformation like Dante or Virgil. If Nero is a descendant of Sparda then why doesn't he physically change? Strange...

And maybe the devil bringer is the sword shown in the trailer. Could the "devil bringer" sword become Nero's right arm? We see the sword extending to grab a car and the devil bringer did "extend" in a way.

Anyway, it's a better idea than a reboot, IMHO.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:18:42 AM

Yeah, Lawless. NG has been around for a long time. There was a major gap, though. It hasn't been an on-going series because of the nearly 3 generation gap between the new and old.

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Temjin001
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 10:48:23 PM
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I think the whole redesign will be further reaching than just Dante's look. In the case of Cole, the whole vibe of the game seemed intact from before other than the new look for Cole. In DMC's case, the whole game is being rebooted so expect to see all kinds of changes.

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SixSpeedKing
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:05:15 PM
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Just make his hair all silver. Other than that it seems ok to me as it is supposed to be a young Dante or maybe a totally new Dante but either way he's gotta have the silver hair.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:55:55 PM

He does have silver hair on his head in patches but you have watch the trailer closely & pause it in certain spots to catch it though. I mean maybe as a feature of the game as you progress through the story unlocking new abilities his hair will eventually turn completely silver.

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jigokunohoono
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:11:50 PM
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well i hate the new dante, i think he looks like a lesbian in the mug shot...

at all other times he look like an emo drug addict and like he got his ass all beat to hell and back which shouldn't happen, but i think the worst part is that MvsC3:FTW still uses the real dante and he doesn't appear in his own game what the hell is the logic in that?

how does a scrawny drug addict appeal to westerners more than the actual dante?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:40:50 PM

Lots of scrawny drug addicts in the west.

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naruto316
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:37:13 PM
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i love the DMC games all of them, but i have to say this all western touch thing is really annoying. just give us a true DMC game like always. also not sure about Ninja Theory doing this game especially what what they did in the new metroid game the reviews for it suck. i have to say right now i do not have hope for this new game, but things may change down the road i hope they do and yeah the image of this dante truly does not install the DMC feel like in the other games.

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jigokunohoono
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:39:32 PM

team ninja did metroid, ninja theory did heavenly sword

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GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:59:06 PM

They're strong suit is action games like DMC not shooters.

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FxTales
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:42:29 PM
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You know it's a real shame, they talk about westernising their games, they're just doing it in all the wrong places. These pretty boy designs are typically Japanese, why not westernise this area?



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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:44:26 PM
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You guys DO know that the white/silver hair is just a staple of Japanese Anime right? It isn't unusual for a youngster to have white hair. It is unusual for a western character under 60 to have white hair though, so they changed it. Which is kinda stupid, but it isn't inconcievable that they would plan to tell us how he changed from a badass mental patient to a well-honed bar-owning badass whose hair got F'ed up when he came into his full powers.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:53:21 PM

Okay, so white hair is standard japanese fare when it comes to characters. I'll accept that. But, you must remember that even before Dante activated his DT in DMC3, his hair was still white.

Besides, from what I've read about the trailer, 'Dante' appears to be in full control of most of his powers and attacks from the previous games. Again, as I mentioned above, NT and Capcom consider this a reboot, so while it may indeed show Dante becoming... well, Dante, it isn't really canonical to the other games which sort of negates your whole argument.

Although I hope to all hell that you're right.
Peace.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:15:28 AM

I was just postulating Friend, things change in reboots. Look at the Batman films. But that's neither here nor there. All I was trying to say was nobody was addressing the fact that the hair was Anime, and that is going to appeal to the anime fans the most concerning that character.

What is interesting is that many say they dislike everything anime and have no clue they have already enjoyed it's influence. The first Matrix for instance was sometimes lifted scene for scene from Ghost in the Shell.

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GuardianMode
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:52:03 PM
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What! This is DMC?? I thought it was "Twilight The Game?" >.>

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Scarecrow
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:01:53 AM
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No more Trish/Lady...

Meh, this is a bad reboot.

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sunspider13
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:08:17 AM
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I watched the video 3 times now. It's nice. I'm not liking the new look Dante. I saw Ebony & Ivory, that gives me hope. However until I have more details about story and if this is a reboot or not, I'll take a wait and see stance.

As for NT handling it, they made me take notice with HS. I think they can make it a decent game. But this whole trend of 'westernization' is making my head hurt.

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DIsmael85
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:17:46 AM
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"well, because the hostile fools that tend to populate most message boards have massive inferiority complexes and simply must be heard in a virtual space. They're ignored in reality, after all"

After saying that, I wouldn't think they'd Change Coles design if this was true. I would think there would be way more vocal fans of DMC than Infamous. I don't like this new look and think it's very arrogant of Ninja Theory if they don't listen the fanbase. Oh well we all need a Video Game Martyr, why not Ninja Theory.

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Sol
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:29:10 AM
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I can tolerate the new Dante...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:18:51 AM

Methinks it comes down to the fans, I like DMC, but was never hardcore about it so I can deal with it. The guys who have stuck with it are likely to be much more upset though.

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Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:57:39 AM
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The new look is not good by east west north or south standards. Skunk hair, queer clothes and trying to make smoking look cool like he's from the 50s?

Why couldn't they just make a new character for the DMC series? Are they all out of names? Gotta call this new peacock Dante?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:17:42 AM

The 50's ARE cool. Fallout 3 = 1950's

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 2:09:26 AM

Bioshock = 1950's.

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Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:05:26 AM

I'm SO buying New Vegas. One more month WorldEnds, ONE more month.

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leatherface
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:30:20 AM

Resistance 2 = 1950's

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:16:46 AM
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When you are in a mental institution you do lose a few pounds... not that I was ever in one, or that the White Coats asked me nefarious questions...

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:19:16 AM
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Not diggin that Dante so much. He looks unhealthy and unkept lol. But the trailer looks good!

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Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:11:32 PM

no it doesn't man. you do realize instead of making the graphics better they just made it look like RE5. i don't wanna know how bad the game play suffered.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:31:38 AM
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Reminds me of the goober from Twilight.

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Kangasfwa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:37:16 AM

"Team Belmont" t-shirt:

http://www.splitreason.com/product/898#

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___________
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:17:03 AM
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what is it with developers and making their characters look like teenage delinquents lately?
cole, dante, whos next?

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Kangasfwa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:06:32 AM

Lara Croft?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:12:12 AM

Ben Dutka?

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Snaaaake
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:58:42 AM

Agent 47 will grow a dread and wear bling bling.

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___________
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:31:03 AM

47? o dear god no not him!

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:44:25 AM
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You're missing the quotes from DMC's creator on Twitter about how he dislikes this new look as well. That would'a cemented it. Heh.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:47:31 AM
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I didn't buy DMC 4, hell I didn't buy 2. I'm not buying this.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:11:39 AM
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I hated what they did to Cole, I can kind of understand this move, but why oh why does Max Payne have to be a fat bald guy? As gamers, we must change this as well.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:22:58 AM
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On another note, I really hope SE knows what they are doing this time. I'd hate to see a second game in a row get Munsoned out in the middle of nowhere.

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Jawknee
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:27:30 PM

Roy?

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Ergi
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:23:12 AM
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It's not the hair that bugs me most though, it's his outfit, he just doesn't look cool/badass.
Reminds me of those rebellious "rocker" kids in southpark only worse.

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FxTales
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:02:22 AM
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Actually if you squint your eyes he kinda looks like Hillary Swank. It's the hair.

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TEG3SH
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:11:10 AM
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I find nothing wrong with the new dante, the old is cooler hands down but this DMC is a reboot so a character change is needed

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:25:46 AM
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It's not just Dante thats the problem, it's the fact that it's a REBOOT. Once again i blame the rise of the comic culture. They never stick to their source material accurately. constantly going back and changing everything. It's the same the movies Batman, Spiderman, Star Trek. It's just not something i welcome because it either makes the previous installments irelevant, which would be sad because the story of 1&3 are fantastic along with the characters and everything really. Or we can just hope this will be a one off that fails miserably and next time we will get DMC5.

Also With silly mash ups which are now affecting the gaming industry like Tekken vs Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat vs dc universe. Which i just do not want to see. They can make their own games like Marvel vs DC, thats fine becuase i can ignore that, but i can't ignore when they infect my favourite game series.

I'm also annoyed becuase i was actually contemplating getting DMC4 again, but now it just feels a big waste of time.

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Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:14:35 AM

You're bang on there. It's as if they lack the talent to make a new IP. They use the name people recognize but give us a completely new look and character so they can take the series in any which direction they want.

I'm not one for repetitiveness in a franchise, but I do think certain things should never change. One of them being the main character himself. People are drawn to characters and personalities. Seeing their favorite character in different situations is what draws them in. Seeing how the challenges affect and ultimately shape him/her.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:57:06 PM

I'm in the same boat Ultimadream.

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Ole_Gunner
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:29:43 AM
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Emo Dante is pretty lame imo. He seems like a twilight character shoved into a DMC game.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:44:46 PM

Indeed.

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JackC8
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:52:24 AM
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I wouldn't have minded the new Cole if it weren't for that pencil-thin sideburns that extends into a goatee thing - that just screams douchebag. This new Dante doesn't bother me, he looks like a nasty smart a$$ that would probably be killing demons for a living. This game is looking like something I might pick up.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:17:42 AM
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I'm not buying this DMC, that look just completely destroys the DMC feel. No more DMC for me.

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:26:41 AM

Even if it plays exactly the same if not better, and if Dante's new look is there to show just how immature he was at the time, you still won't play it?

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:24:24 PM

Nope, I'm sure as he was young he still had silver/white hair. You don't change things like that, see what happened to Cole?

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gangan19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:39:54 AM
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looks like he doesn't eat

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Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:07:05 PM

from the scenes i saw he wasn't allowed to, looks like someone had him captured. still lame but still.

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tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:53:27 AM
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Although I didn't play any DMC's except for the DMC4 demo, Dante has always been a character that's easily recognizable. I feel for fans of the series, because I didn't like the change that was made to Cole. I do like the new, new Cole.

This seems to be more influenced by western developers and not the Japanese. Like someone in the west is telling them that this is what's needed to grow their fanbase. This makes two character changes to franchises under western development. Even though inFamous was a western product to begin with.

The west could be where the idea of changing the lead character's looks originated.

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Hezzron
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:22:19 AM
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If they weren't selling enough DMC's, then I guess something had to be done. I don't know if they could back out from the new young look too much. The story seems to be centered around him being that age.

Was everyone here bitching when Snake went old?

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tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:57:34 AM

I'm not a fan of the series, but I can't make the connection that he's Dante. Damn brain cells of mine work too well. I've been trying to destroy them as of late, but it seems to be a vain attempt.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:34:38 PM

Well aging is understandable, but in Snakes case the machines in his body was forcing him to age so i accept that.

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Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:04:48 PM
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Ninja theory needs to drop out of it. they know nothing about the DMC series, character or the fans of the series and character.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:16:09 PM
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I don't believe any of the ppl sayin they're not buyin this game cause of the new look simply because I think Ninja Theory will do this reboot more than justice, they know how 2 come up with an engagin story which was honestly missin from DMC series 2 begin with & they know how make action more interactive. I personally think this game might even be better than DMC3 (which was the best in the series)& when those high score reviews come out all you're asses will get curious & be running to either Gamestop or Walmart 2 buy. Then you'll be putting your foot your mouths for talkin so much trash about you didn't think would be good because of Dante's new look, Meanwhile I'll be laughin at you all while enjoying this game when it comes out.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:21:37 PM

You don't know people very well then, I'm not getting it and i don't go back on my word i can tell you that right now.

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DjEezzy
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 4:34:37 PM
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His clothes are the same... Even down to his grey beater. His clothes just look different because he's a tad skinnier almost Teen like. I think it's cool and i'm totally looking forward to this game. I'm a follower from the first game and i'm not upset at all. Things change. So many people pass judgement and they haven't even seen any gameplay yet. It amazes me. While everyone is worried about how he looks, i'm more interested on the direction they're going to take it and how bad ass and stylish it will be. Who cares what he looks like. This isn't another game in the series. It is a reboot from a different team of developers. I swear too many people complain about the wrong things. I'm glad they changed him and hope Ninja Theory keeps him that way.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 1:03:29 AM
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@Clamedeus whatever dude you saying that now but when gameplay comes out will see. I really don't know what every bodies problem is with the new look which hasn't really changed aside from his hair & eyes. They're changing it because the series just wasn't sellin not only here in the U.S. but also in Europe, here's some knowledge 4 you between all 4 previous DMC games probably sold roughly 10 million copies, THATS ALL 4 GAMES 2GETHER NOT INDIVIDUALLY (which isn't alot) keep in mind that about majority of that is japan. So if they're putting all this money into making this game & it ain't sellin somethings gotta give, & they shouldn't change him back cause the few hundred thousand of you who did get throw tempertantrum's like 3 year olds when you don't your way your can't always have your cake & eat it 2.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 11:28:05 AM

It doesn't matter how much it sells they still will say it wasn't enough. And the reason why people don't like the new look is because they like the original Dante, they don't like the new look, everyone that i know who was a hardcore Devil May Cry supporter didn't like it.

It's obvious you can't have your cake and eat it, the people who don't like the new look won't buy it it's as simple as that. I don't like the new look.

And who said i was throwing a temper tantrum? I don't approve of the new look, i don't care if they don't change it back I'll just skip the game, It seems like you were the one throwing it at me because i didn't like the look.

It's not like i was swearing screaming and throwing bricks at people because they changed it i was voicing my opinion on the matter and that's it.

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