Dante Needs Cole's Plastic Surgeon
Well now, it appears we have another image snafu on our hands.
You probably remember the first one. It had to do with an unexpected character overhaul that generated quite the backlash; the bad-ass that was the original Cole in Sucker Punch's inFamous disappeared and in his place, a backpack-toting, skateboardin' douchebag (or so he was often called) appeared. But thankfully, said backlash was severe enough and the fans were vocal enough, and the developers did something rarely seen before: they reacted to fan feedback and changed Cole's image. We didn't get the original Cole back, but new Cole is better; you can get a good look at the re-overhauled hero in this recent gameplay video.
But will Ninja Theory do the same thing? It might be too early to tell, but if one were to take an early litmus test of the average fan's mood, the results would be clear: nobody seems to like the new Dante. And the worst part is, the developers and Capcom remade the character specifically to cater to the Western audience...and that audience hasn't responded well. If you missed it, you can check out the first screenshots and the debut trailer that premiered at the Tokyo Game Show this past week. The action is nice and Ninja Theory probably has what it takes, but it's just that image...the "emo loser" description seems to be flying around the Internet. Now, whether or not it's young Dante or a whole new Dante is currently unknown but that clarification almost seems irrelevant.
The question is whether or not the backlash will get big enough, and if it does, whether or not the designers will do anything about it. But maybe this is jumping the gun. Maybe only the naysayers flooded in first with their replies because...well, because the hostile fools that tend to populate most message boards have massive inferiority complexes and simply must be heard in a virtual space. They're ignored in reality, after all. But anyway, what say you? Should Ninja Theory follow the same route as Sucker Punch? Or will it not matter at all? Great games tend to override such matters and we're guessing the gameplay in the new DMC is gonna be awesome. But when we have a main character nobody seems to like...
9/17/2010 Ben Dutka
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Shams
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:23:50 PM
Shams
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:06:20 AM
TheAgingHipster
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:25:38 AM
Karosso
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:07:46 AM
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Many thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide!
keo7
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 11:19:00 AM
FlyingKickPunch
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 9:56:43 AM
Wissam
Sunday, September 19, 2010 @ 7:02:50 PM
Snaaaake
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 10:19:52 PM
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Again, I was upset they changed Dante but the more I look at him, the more I like, but the problem for me is that he look nothing like Dante. Remove the fighting scene from the trailer and you wouldn't know it's friggin' Dante.
If they can do this to one of their big franchise, I have fear that in the future Mega Man will be holding a gun instead of shooting from his arm.
Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 10:36:08 PM
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I think that, no matter how large the fan backlash, Ninja Theory will not change Dante back, simply because they are a new developer working on what they consider to be a new take on the franchise, rather than another entry into the existing canon. Another thing that bothers me is why in the hell are they not doing Devil May Cry 5, and rounding up all the unresolved plot points of the series before rebooting it. Who exactly is Nero and his relationship to Dante/Sparda? What happened to Dante after the end of DMC2 and how did the guy find Yamato in DMC4? More importantly, is Vergil really finished?
Oh, and Capcom promised me DMC: Dance of Sparda. I still want that, even though it was cancelled. Scrap NT's project and give me that instead. Let NT work on an IP all of their own rather than forcing them to b*stardise one beloved by many.
Peace.
Kangasfwa
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:09:19 PM
Maybe this guy is a younger Nero? We don't know his history before joining the Order or how his devil trigger was awakened. Maybe his hair turned white when his DT was awakened. Maybe he lost his arm and was saved by the Order. We don't really know anything beyond a kid wearing a red cloak while fighting demons. Capcom made an origin game after DMC2 so maybe we're getting an origin game for Nero now that he's part of the series.
I can't offer an explanation for why he calls himself "Dante." Unless we're getting a reboot. Which I agree is stupid.
Temjin001
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:17:04 PM
Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:40:43 PM
Kangasfwa,
But Nero's DT first activated during the course of DMC4 **SPOILERS** when he got a hold of Yamato. **END SPOILERS** Unless you're referring to his demonic arm. Which is another unresolved question in the series.
Master Temjin,
Given the popularity of the current gen consoles now and when DMC4 was released, I can only see this selling far better. Following your logic, we may well see this happening a great many more times, starting undoubtedly with Resident Evil and slowly spreading outwards. Dare I say Parasite Eve, Yakuza, Persona, perhaps even Suikoden will get 'Western' reboots? BTW, wasn't NG already rebooted from its days on the SNES and SEGA consoles, or were those storyline all wrapped up before the modern incarnation?
Peace.
Kangasfwa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:14:59 AM
Wasn't Nero's devil trigger a little weird though? It was right handed--Nero is left handed remember--and a huge spectral-thing instead of a physical transformation like Dante or Virgil. If Nero is a descendant of Sparda then why doesn't he physically change? Strange...
And maybe the devil bringer is the sword shown in the trailer. Could the "devil bringer" sword become Nero's right arm? We see the sword extending to grab a car and the devil bringer did "extend" in a way.
Anyway, it's a better idea than a reboot, IMHO.
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Temjin001
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:18:42 AM
SixSpeedKing
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:05:15 PM
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GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:55:55 PM
Last edited by GuyverLT on 9/18/2010 4:57:35 PM
jigokunohoono
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:11:50 PM
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at all other times he look like an emo drug addict and like he got his ass all beat to hell and back which shouldn't happen, but i think the worst part is that MvsC3:FTW still uses the real dante and he doesn't appear in his own game what the hell is the logic in that?
how does a scrawny drug addict appeal to westerners more than the actual dante?
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:40:50 PM
naruto316
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:37:13 PM
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jigokunohoono
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:39:32 PM
GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:59:06 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:44:26 PM
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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:53:21 PM
Besides, from what I've read about the trailer, 'Dante' appears to be in full control of most of his powers and attacks from the previous games. Again, as I mentioned above, NT and Capcom consider this a reboot, so while it may indeed show Dante becoming... well, Dante, it isn't really canonical to the other games which sort of negates your whole argument.
Although I hope to all hell that you're right.
Peace.
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:15:28 AM
What is interesting is that many say they dislike everything anime and have no clue they have already enjoyed it's influence. The first Matrix for instance was sometimes lifted scene for scene from Ghost in the Shell.
GuardianMode
Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 11:52:03 PM
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sunspider13
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:08:17 AM
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As for NT handling it, they made me take notice with HS. I think they can make it a decent game. But this whole trend of 'westernization' is making my head hurt.
DIsmael85
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:17:46 AM
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After saying that, I wouldn't think they'd Change Coles design if this was true. I would think there would be way more vocal fans of DMC than Infamous. I don't like this new look and think it's very arrogant of Ninja Theory if they don't listen the fanbase. Oh well we all need a Video Game Martyr, why not Ninja Theory.
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:18:51 AM
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:17:42 AM
Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:05:26 AM
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:16:46 AM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:19:16 AM
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Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:11:32 PM
Kangasfwa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 1:37:16 AM
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Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:17:03 AM
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Snaaaake
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 7:58:42 AM
MadPowerBomber
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 3:44:25 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:11:39 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:22:58 AM
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Ultimadream
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:25:46 AM
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Also With silly mash ups which are now affecting the gaming industry like Tekken vs Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat vs dc universe. Which i just do not want to see. They can make their own games like Marvel vs DC, thats fine becuase i can ignore that, but i can't ignore when they infect my favourite game series.
I'm also annoyed becuase i was actually contemplating getting DMC4 again, but now it just feels a big waste of time.
Alienange
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 8:14:35 AM
I'm not one for repetitiveness in a franchise, but I do think certain things should never change. One of them being the main character himself. People are drawn to characters and personalities. Seeing their favorite character in different situations is what draws them in. Seeing how the challenges affect and ultimately shape him/her.
Ole_Gunner
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:29:43 AM
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JackC8
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:52:24 AM
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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:26:41 AM
Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:24:24 PM
Sogi_Otsa
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 4:07:05 PM
tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 9:53:27 AM
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This seems to be more influenced by western developers and not the Japanese. Like someone in the west is telling them that this is what's needed to grow their fanbase. This makes two character changes to franchises under western development. Even though inFamous was a western product to begin with.
The west could be where the idea of changing the lead character's looks originated.
tes37
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:57:34 AM
Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 12:34:38 PM
GuyverLT
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 5:16:09 PM
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Clamedeus
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 6:21:37 PM
DjEezzy
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 4:34:37 PM
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GuyverLT
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 1:03:29 AM
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Clamedeus
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 @ 11:28:05 AM
It's obvious you can't have your cake and eat it, the people who don't like the new look won't buy it it's as simple as that. I don't like the new look.
And who said i was throwing a temper tantrum? I don't approve of the new look, i don't care if they don't change it back I'll just skip the game, It seems like you were the one throwing it at me because i didn't like the look.
It's not like i was swearing screaming and throwing bricks at people because they changed it i was voicing my opinion on the matter and that's it.

Devil May Cry









WorldEndsWithMe
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Friday, September 17, 2010 @ 9:54:39 PM
But if they go and change it back I got no problem with that either. The moral of the story is that Westernization pisses off Westerners. We tend not to like it very much.