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Call Of Duty: What Fuels The Mania?

For the record, this is not designed to incite a war between the Call of Duty followers and those who just seem morally opposed to the franchise. I'm also not asking a rhetorical question that implies the series is devoid of quality and those who play it are sheep.

This is a legitimate question. Call of Duty: Black Ops is now the most popular video game in US history, and it begs a lot of questions. Firstly, it is unfair to compare the game to Super Mario Bros., for example, simply due to the drastic difference in the industry's growth and maturity. In 1987, gaming really was for kids and it really was not a worldwide, mainstream entertainment venue. The eras just aren't comparable; millions upon millions more play games now, so comparing the numbers means nothing.

As for quality, that's always a subject of much debate, but there are two strains of thought I'm starting to dislike: 1. the idea that anything CoD beats anything else in the FPS world. The idea that it's infallible. That bugs me. But #2 bugs me almost as much: the quickly circulating idea that Call of Duty is terrible, and that the sales numbers somehow prove the gaming industry is just like the movie, music, or book industry; i.e., trash sells. That irritates me because it's insulting to gamers and it is continually proven that better quality games almost always sell quite well.

CoD isn't terrible. I gave Black Ops an 8.8 because I think it deserved an 8.8. That's hardly a bad score. Does it warrant 13.7 million sold in the US alone...? Well, no. In my eyes, that's reserved for the elite of the elite, and there aren't too many of those. Therefore, the answer to the question, "what fuels the mania?" is more complex than one might assume: the CoD games are solid, or even great in some respects, and yet, not great enough to completely account for the entire phenomenon. And you know, we should discount peer pressure...nobody plays something they don't enjoy.

Brainwashing? Eh. Like I said, who wastes hours and hours of their personal leisure time on something they don't like? But I have a bad feeling. I think I know what accounts for the much of the crowd: this generation's fascination with instant gratification. Online multiplayer is 95% of the reason CoD is what it is, and nonstop, ceaseless multiplayer action is the epitome of instant gratification. You can turn your mind off and go. We see evidence of this mental change in all corners of the industry; it seems to have affected everything, from RPGs to the "necessity" of having online multiplayer in every game made.

So yeah, it's a combination of factors. And I can live with that. ...provided the insanity doesn't infringe on the quality of my entertainment that I prefer. And I hope that doesn't happen.

3/11/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (167 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 9:45:35 PM
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Interestingly enough, this coincides with some of my newer feelings on the subject. I think I might be too hard on the CoD fans. I will still likely have my issues with the popularity of the game, but I still issue this apology to its fans:

http://www.titanreviews.com/#/codapology/4549430527

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tes37
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:18:45 PM

Is that a website that you started?

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FatherSun
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:54:16 PM

I takes a big person to admit that he has wronged someone. Or in this case a group of someones. I commend you for that.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:19:59 AM

Nope, somebody else started it, I'm just writing. Alienange is too. And Highlander may contribute to reviews. We're trying to get it moving.

It really is a bad way to categorize people, by their entertainment preferences I mean. It's best just to lay complaints and critiques against the game itself if one has them. That's really my point.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 9:50:55 PM
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I dont think Black Ops is terrible, but its worse than most shooters on the market. At least it is a whole lot better than MW2.

Regardless, after i finished KZ3 i decided i'm going to stop buying FPSs altogether. I'm tured of paying $60 for a 7-8 hour campaign. Shooters used to be long and have a great story (Red Faction, anyone?) but have recently devolved into online-centric slop.

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crunchy_nut_kid
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:13:51 PM

i don't mind a short game, so long as the campaign is super fun (bulletstorm) or really detailed (killzone). but NoSmokinBandit is right, i would much rather play batman or uncharted.

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FatherSun
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:00:21 AM

I have made that same decision to an extent. I am limiting the purchase of FPSs and racers. GT5 has me covered for real racing and Burnout still satisfies my arcade racing needs. That is all. I get the CODs because I have two teenage sons who they themselves realize the repetitive mediocrity of the franchise. At the same time they state that it is a social outlet as well as a game.

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_______
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 9:53:14 PM
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Black Ops isn't a bad game... when it works. My problems are that the game is laggy online, the multiplayer spawns are a joke, bad matchmaking for zombies etc the list goes on. Treyarch denies claims about lag giving themselves an excuse to do nothing as with the rest of the issues. There are a lot of problems I have with CoD now days, and I have no hesitantion calling it a plague on gaming.

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FM23
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:35:10 AM

Sounds like any FPS

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manofchao5
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:09:31 PM

you obviously never played battlefield

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Underdog15
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:03:02 PM
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I liked the games alright. Are they my favorite? No. But I enjoyed them.

And even when it comes to the glitchiness: I know I need to expect that from games. But what I'm still really bothered by, is not the popularity, but the fact that despite how much money they make on it, they DO NOT issue firmware updates to fix the issues.

I honestly believe that if they invested more in making their titles a long term product at least 4-6 months into release, I would like it MUCH more. I just sometimes feel that annual releases prevent them from fixing any issues post release.

MW2's quick scope glitching? (Due to auto-aim malfunction) The hide-in-a-rock thing? And a bunch of other small things... just ignored. That's what keeps it from being a 9+ title for me. If multiplayer is what sells it, I don't get why people are happy to ignore their apparent lack of concern for issues. It makes it feel like they don't have pride for their product.

Aside from that gripe, I like it.

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StevieRV
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:05:13 PM
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black ops is good, but cod popularity its a viral thing, i play cod because i have friends that play it, none of my friends play KZ3 and resfuse to try it with an open mind, at least with my group we seem to have got stuck in a mindframe of any gameplay that is different to MW2 isnt as good, whichannoys me coz i always want to try new shooters but nobody else gives them a chance and the online multiplayer isnt as fun by myself, so im stuck playing cod, which isnt bad, its just nothing new

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:06:20 PM
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While I can agree that Call of Duty isn't "trash" it's still hard not to see it as the Britney Spears of gaming. Most of the people I know who play CoD religiously lack good taste in much of everything. Not saying my experience alone is concrete evidence, it's just an observation I have made. I suggest games like Uncharted, God of War, MGS, Zelda, Killzone, Bioshock, inFamous etc and 90% of the time I get meh and they go back to playing CoD. Now when I recommend Radiohead, Propagandhi, Bjork, Bad Religion, The Vandals, Boston etc to some of these same people, they will say meh and go back to listening to Lincoln Park or some crap like that. A lot of the CoD fanatics I know dress poorly too. Like their mom still lays clothes out for them on their bed in the morning. Ha.

I don't know what it is. Hard for me to see CoD only people as real gamers since they seem to lack the taste, variety and open-mindedness most of us here possess.

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GuernicaReborn
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:07:34 PM

lol the kind of people that play CoD 20 hours a week are the same people that will go see Battle: Los Angeles and say it was a good movie.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:09:48 PM

Exactly. LOL!

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:31:02 PM

Thinking about it, you've got a point Jawk. I know quite a few people who are really into CoD. I find their taste in films appaling, their general intelligence low, and their personalities overbearing. Style is nonexistent, and all but one of them smoke dope as if it's oxygen. People, eh?

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:38:33 PM

LOL! Indeed. Pretty much sums up the ones I know as well.

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Nas Is Like
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:41:56 PM

You sure do like to base your entire opinion from a small number of people you know, then stereotype millions of others.

I'm a huge, huge Call of Duty fan, yet my taste varies in music, movies and even games.

Your posts seriously annoy me.

And for someone that hates Call of Duty so much (and I'm pretty sure everyone on this site knows that), you sure do go to all Call of Duty-related articles and discussions.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:57:43 PM

@ Art of War,
Jawknee and I, I believe, have both made it clear in our posts here that we're referring to people that we know, and aren't making a generalisation about all CoDfans. Well, except the end of the original post, but that was a personal persepective.

And come on, the whole point of sites like this is to elicit conversation. Even if you aren't necessarily a fan of the topic at hand, you're perfectly entitled to throw your opinion up on the board, are you not?
Peace.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:05:34 PM

What Lawless said. And if you would read...I mean READ my post you would have seen where I said my experience is NOT concrete evidence. Now lighten up.

Though, I must say, your Bone Thugs avatar and your sensitive nature kind of fits my critique. Just sayin...Pot makes you irritable.

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rogers71
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:02:46 AM

@Jawknee,
I really like how, based on your post, anyone that doesn't like what you like is a mindless pothead.

I like all the bands that you listed above but I also LOVE lincoln park.
I like all the games that you listed above but I also LOVE the cod games.

Everyone has there likes and dislikes and just because someone differs from you and your opinion doesn't mean they lack taste or variety.

I have a friend that will not try Uncharted or Dead Space because the controls differ from COD. He only likes the control setup and first person mode of COD. He is a college graduate, very successful and highly intelligent. He just has his mind made up about what he likes. I don't ridicule him for his tastes. That is what makes the world what it is. Differing points of view.

Just my take on this topic and since I don't agree with you, I will go tell my mommy to lay out my clothes and hit the bong. Good day:)

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:11:42 AM

Sigh....do you people even read the entire posts before having a coniption fit?

Once again...IT'S AN OBSERVATION I MADE IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIANCE! NOT concrete evidence now relax. You're acting like a whiney baby. Maybe your mommy should teach you not to get butthurt over random comments on the Internet.

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Underdog15
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:48:24 AM

Of course it's a generalization! Of course it would be silly for me to say the same as Jawknee just because the youth at my youth centre love CoD and ONLY CoD and just happen to also be into drugs, are easily irritable, have little to no adult influence, or are teen parents. Or that they find little interest in the arts.

I would never outright say that it might not be a coincidence! That would be silly of me to assume that just because I have the exact same experience as Jawknee with many people that there might be some merit.

Don't worry, I would never say that!

lol, all jokes, of course. I play CoD with friends, although not in the last month or so.

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:11:08 AM

Typical hawk response. Boring

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:21:09 AM

Feelings mutual.

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:49:19 AM

Art of war pretty much nailed you down perfectly.

For someone who hates Cod, u sure like
Talking about it!

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:52:26 AM

I refer you to Lawless' reply to his whining.

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 5:03:05 AM

"Most of the people I know who play CoD religiously lack good taste in much of everything"

You play CoD as well, dont you?

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 5:20:29 AM

Playing it and playing it 'religiously' are two very different things man.

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:04:15 AM

so what if people like cod tho who cares lol its a decent series tho in my opinion has gotten worse after w@w and black ops which i cant stand.....but still i hate the way u compare games to music and movies.....i saw battle LA yesterday and quite enjoyed it......is it just cool for u guys to hate on really popular types of things or something.......the point is y do u care so much if people enjoy a game over others?

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 11:15:21 AM

"You play CoD as well, dont you?"

No, no I don't. But nice try.

And Godslim, cool your jets. I'll compare games to whatever entertainment medium I want.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:46:13 PM

@Jawknee

"You play CoD as well, dont you?"

In ur past comments, u even mentioned that u enjoyed COD MW1 and W@W. R u bulls***ing urself or what.

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:03:19 PM

never?

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:11:46 PM

never prestiged?

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NiteKrawler
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:35:57 PM

Seriously guys. Jawk made it very clear that he was not generalizing. Observation is what drives truth right? As for saying that he talks about CoD a lot for someone who hates the series, it is not very surprising. He sees a trend he does not much like and maybe he wants to effect a change. I'm not religious at all, but didn't Jesus mostly chill with society's deviant beings? He didn't go preach to the choir. You are all laboring under the delusion that Jawk was referring to each of you personally when the truth is he was just making an innocent observation of his current surroundings. If you would all stop berating him for that and actually made valid arguments, this conversation could teach us all something.

P.S. I do like Linkin Park a lot.

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:52:50 PM

"In ur past comments, u even mentioned that u enjoyed COD MW1 and W@W. R u bulls***ing urself or what."

For the last time, READ THE FREAKING POST! "Played" and "Play" are two different words. One meaning pasted tense the other not. Yes I have PLAYED Call of Duty, that doesn't not mean STILL PLAY it or will play it in the future. Also as Lawless pointed out, playing something "RELIGIOUSLY" is not the same as just "PLAY". One implies that thats all one played while the other doesn't.

Seriously, is a English lesson really necessary? Do you really not understand the words in front of you or are you just willfully ignoring what them so you can give yourself a reason to continuing flaming me like a child? I have made myself perfectly clear.

Also like NiteKrawler said,(as have I, numerous times) my opinion is based on my own PERSONAL experience. Do I know any of you personally? Obviously not so don't be so quick to assume I am talking about you. You're not that special, get over yourselves.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:10:22 PM

@jawknee

R u blind!, I used the word "enjoyed" in my comment not "played" or "play" so don't get to excited about ur comments.

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:41:09 PM

Your post is irrelevant. Just because I enjoyed CoD at one point doesn't mean I do now or will in the future. Me enjoying MW1 back in 2008 and World at War's campaign has absolutely nothing to do with what I think of the franchise in 2011. Bringing up irrelavancies to make you point doesn't help your arguement.

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Underdog15
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 5:51:48 PM

Yeah, I think you guys are being pretty unfair to Jawk. It's annoying to see such a complete lack of understanding for an original post I felt was quite clear.

It sounds like you guys taking what he said far more personally than it was ever intended.

Seriously, take a breather.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 8:22:49 PM

@jawknee

Never mentioned anything about me commenting that u do like COD now or will in the future.

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Nas Is Like
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 11:59:20 PM

I'm not a pothead, but thanks for the assumption. I don't even smoke weed.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 7:13:47 AM

dont worry art - jawk is quick to rise where cod is concerned.

The only thing worse than a non-cod player is an ex-cod player.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:23:22 PM

Right, nice I see your logic is as good as your reading comprehension because some one who has NEVER played CoD is more informed to have opinion on the subject than some one who has.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:36:04 PM

Read it again...

...Your lack of comprehension preceeds you.

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Underdog15
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:57:24 PM

Seriously guys... re-read the ENTIRE thread... I'm not siding with anyone on the issue, but you guys seriously do not understand what Jawk is saying...

It makes me want to bash my face with an iron pipe. It'll hurt less than reading your conversation again. It's that miscommunication and lack of attention to detail that causes the US to experience over a 50% divorce rate. lol

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 5:14:15 PM

Underdog - I understand perfectly.

In his limited experience knowing the very small portion of the 13.7 million people who play cod - he has formed an opinion.

Now in his view that's fair enough - but to slate people for enjoying a game of their choosing because they dont want to play a different one,does that really require him to be immature?

I think not.

What it should be about, is the freedom for people to pick and choose what they like to play. This is a fairly base principle.

The only think with Jawk is that his history preceeds him.

He writes about Cod as though it is the devils spawn, yet he has played mw1 and mw2 fairly extensively by all accounts. He should therefore understand that people do get enjoyment out of it, even if he is too short-sighted to see that himself now.

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Underdog15
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 5:38:56 PM

I personally, took his post to be more about the folks who more or less own their consoles just to play CoD. And not just the people that play it religiously or restrict themselves solely to that game, but more the ones who spend every waking hour of their day waiting to get home to play CoD. I think for the obsessively CoD driven folks, he has a point based on my experience as well. My wife also has made mention similarly (although less bluntly) based on the children and children's parents that partake in her before/after school program.

I get what you're saying too, and it is silly to lump everyone together, but there is a group that fits his description, and it isn't tiny. It certainly isn't the majority, but substantial enough that he would not be the only one out there to draw such conclusions.

I think it would have been far more fair for him to say that pot-heads and those not versed in art forms tend to love CoD. NOT CoD lovers are pot-heads and lack artistic abilities.

You know? Anyways, I think it's obvious that anyone who likes CoD isn't necessarily any or all of what Jawk said. But I can certainly tell you what game the oxy and pot dealers/doers in the town I work in play. They talk about it 24/7 when not dealing. (When working with impoverished youth, you run into these types.) >.<

Anyways, that's what I understood about what he was saying. Does that make sense? I'm definitely NOT saying if you love CoD you therefore are trash.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 5:46:06 PM

Aye, it makes sense, but he was talking about the people that he knows personally, albeit on his friends list.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 7:10:39 PM

Which also doesn't really say much for him bearing in mind the people he 'knows' he bad mouths behind their backs.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 7:56:05 PM

Don't assume to know that I am bad mouthing people behind their backs. My friends know exactly how I feel. We talk about it, tease one another and have fun. You assuming to know how these conversations in my personal life play out makes to look foolish.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 8:02:30 PM

I know enough to formulate my own opinion.

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 8:30:55 PM

Actually you don't. You just pretend to so you can continue this little charade of yours.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 8:37:28 PM

Jawk - now who's being juvenile?

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NiteKrawler
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 9:21:17 PM

D1g1tal5torm--"The only thing worse than a non-cod player is an ex-cod player."

Now who is making unfair generalized accusations toward a certain group of people? Hypocrite.

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GuernicaReborn
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:06:25 PM
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I think we need to look back to when the craze started if we ever will understand the craze for CoD. Modern Warfare is where it all began.

I always thought that alot of the popularity came about because it was taken out of WWII and thrust into the modern day. There was really nothing wrong with graphics or gameplay, and the multiplayer was very accessible. Activision marketed it well, and the quality, more or less, has stayed constant throughout the series. Factor in the instant gratification that you spoke of, and those are all the reasons I can see for the CoD franchise to be selling like it is.

Like em or not, Activision knew exactly what they had, how to market it and how to keep it in the headlines. If only it was something other than a twitchy FPS, but I dream...

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:21:57 PM

Argh, you beat me to it.

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FatherSun
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:06:01 AM

If its broke then don't fix it.

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:06:20 AM

i think it kick started because cod4 just put other fps games to shame....especially mp wise it was great fast action that worked perfectly smoothly and was very easy to pick up and play

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Riku994
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:07:27 PM
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CoD sells because the "gamers" that buy the game don't realize that they're buying the same game they bought a year ago. I dare Activision (or even the developing teams, all ****ing THREE of them) to tally up how many peolle have actually played the campaign mode of any given CoD game since 3. Do you know how many of my friends play CoD? One. And he legit plays the Modern Warfare games for the story, and I was legitimately surprised by this fact. It's horrible that gaming has been reduced to "BOOM HEAD SHOT" and calling someone a faggot because they got a kill off on you before you could realize you were being shot at. Good quality games are forced to suffer because companies don't realize that not every last North American doesn't like this genre and style of game.

This brings me to another point which I wanted to bring up in a previous article but wasn't feeling the writing mood. Bulletstorm. I believe it's doing so poorly because it's trying to appeal to the crowd of people who play "boring" shooters, when they should be trying to impress the fans of such games like Borderlands, which I for one absolutely adore. This game is doing badly in sales because the game isn't exactly what CoD fans want... Which is CoD. It's not what Halo fans want, which is Halo. It actually appears to have a storyline from what I've seen, and if a shooter doesn't have the title "Call of Duty" or "Halo" in it at this point, chances are it will do badly. The acception to this I believe is Borderlands, as mentioned above, because it's a good quality game appealing to the right crowd. As one who doesn't like shooters, I really like Borderlands.

TL;DR, CoD annoys me and Borderlands is great.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:27:27 PM

Did you know: The average campaign completion rate of video games is under 30%?
http://videogameform.blogspot.com/2011/03/game-statistics.html

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Riku994
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:26:18 PM

That is awful...

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FatherSun
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:08:49 AM

@Lawless, I am part of that 30%! I got to get my moneys worth.

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SvenMD
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 9:50:06 AM

I think my campaign completion rate is around 95%. I haven't finished Enslaved(which I'm playing now), and the only title in my collection never finished was Ninja Gaiden Sigma (I didn't like using the big boobed chick).

I'm a SP kinda guy, MP is neat, but I buy games for SP.

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dork02840
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:07:40 PM
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the quickest answer to your question is simple Ben. Brand recognition. much like pirates of the carribean, star wars, star trek, Lord of the rings....CoD has name power. yes that may sound too simplified but it is nevertheless true. i would be interested to see in a poll how many people by CoD for the name on the box as opposed to how many people buy it based off of demos, reviews, magazine/website articles. i am willing to bet the majority of the CoD crowd are much like the Madden crowd. people who will buy the name more then the game. much like any other consumer good, you have to believe in brand. whether its a WWE ppv, a car, a hdtv, a game, a game system, an mp3 player....you need to believe in it. CoD had both street cred, popularity, and a solid following that would did not care who developed the game or how great it was compared to modern warfare 2. the call of duty name alone sold them on it. truth.

i myself do not like call of duty. i can site several games of this generation FPS that i like more then CoD. Killzone, Wolfenstein, Clive Barkers Jericho. the only FPS that i have not been able to get behind are CoD and Resistance. i find them to be beaten to death genres: war/battle and zombie/undead/alien invasion. i have not beaten a single FPS since Doom 1. they do not hold my interest. the only game that came close was killzone 2. i am hoping Rage fills the void left by Doom of mindless evil FPS.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:24:32 PM

True. But Halo had brand recognition, too (still does, really), and even the great Halo can't seem to beat Call of Duty in a historic sense.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:36:08 PM

Ah, but Ben, Halo 3 sold over 8 million copies, did it not? Considering its platform exclusive, you wouldn't expect it to sell more than CoD. But even the popularity of that series has waned in the face of CoD. The sales tally for Reach (thus far)with under 4 million. I believe that does have something to do with people choosing to play CoD over Halo, which says something.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:03:34 AM

CoD wasn't really the CoD we know now when Halo 3 came out. As you said, look what happened with Reach in comparison to the CoD boom. :)

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:11:30 PM
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Sales-wise, CoD is, thus far, infallible. That's proven by the ever-increasing number of new game purchases of each iteration in the series. Quality-wise, it certainly is not. Battlefield is regarded by many to be just as good, and so are Crysis and KZ2/3. So, why do those not have the same level of sales success?

One is less brand recognition, and (keep in mind I'm assuming that most people that play FPS games play them for the multiplayer) if you're going to play online with someone, or talk about your experiences offline, the better choice is to go with the one that everyone knows, rather than that other one that no-one that you personally know has tried. Another, I'd imagine, is less informed consumers. The world is a democracy, and that means that what is most popular must be the best (not my philosophy; I can't rightly remember where I heard it). So, as more people buy it and word of mouth spreads, it becomes like a viral outbreak. There is nothing to stop it.

But you have to look at the root cause, not what there is today. How did CoD come to single itself out from the crowd with Modern Warfare? How did it take a hold of the public imagination, and create that initial, powerful fanbase? I hardly think that the idea of instant gratification had anything to do with it. More that, at the time, a modern war scenario was fresh and different. It offered something different to everything else on the market, and made people take notice. This, coupled with a strong advertising campaign helped to create the demand for it, which has since only grown as word of mouth has spread and the advertising has grown ever more abundant.

Just my take.
Peace.

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AnonWTF
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:32:35 PM
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COD could also just be a status or fad thing at the moment.

A guy at my work place one time was telling me how there are much better smart phones out there than the iphone. It is more of a status/fad thing to get it and it was awesome when it first came out compared to the rest of the market. You also have to factor in the popularity of the companies name (the people who are making it).

I don't know how much of this true nor do I have anything to back it up with, but when he told this to me. It sounded like it made since. So that is what I'm basically comparing to the COD phenomon or however you freaking spell the word.

I've never been into war games that much, I remember playing full spectrum warriors ten hammer and just not liking it at all. Everyone got different tastes.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:52:14 PM

Phenomenon. Such a queer looking word.

It could well be a fad, but if so, don't you think that people would be starting to get burnt out on it after four years? Sure, there are still people getting into gaming, and so the latest will be their first, but it's not an exponential growth. Besides, the very concept of a fad ties back to popularity and peer pressure. This might be enough to get someone into it the first time, but if they don't enjoy it, why would they go back time and time again?

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AnonWTF
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 9:58:17 PM

I have no clue, how about asking those people. Fads can definitely last for long periods of times.

What does homosexuals have to do with words?

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:04:34 PM

I tried. But apparently they don't realise that they're paying for almost the exact same thing every year.

And I consider queer an offensive term for homosexuals. As such, I NEVER use it in that context. I only ever use it as a substitute for odd.
Peace.

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Cabalavatar1
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 4:19:35 PM

@ Lawless:
At least in academia, where so much of the politically correct vernacular derives from, "queer" is actually the more appropriate term for non-heterosexual sexual proclivities. In fact, it's become such a pervasive term that "Queer Theory" is the official terminology for all theory and literature on the topic of non-heterosexual sexualities.
I don't mean to suggest that your reservations about the usage of such a term ("queer") are wrong, per se, but bear in mind that in the field in which it's most frequently openly discussed, "queer" is most CERTAINLY an acceptable and even preferable term.

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A2K78
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:40:40 PM
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What fuels the main? Maybe it has something to do with the fact the franchise have already had a strong following, particulary with PC gamers. Its no different when you speaking about the ElderScroll franchise...its another franchise with a strong PC past console-centric gamers picked up on.

Overall speaking of the FPS genre, the Crysis franchise beats everything out and why? It has something to with the fact that the developers really took time make sure the games aren't the "me-too" type of shooter.

"COD could also just be a status or fad."

COD a fad? to non-PC gamers,yeah, but if you want to see a fad when it come to FPSs when Killzone, Halo, and Resistance are the fads.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:14:39 PM

Yea, I'm sure the 120 people who played Crysis 1 would agree with you.

And the continued popularity of Halo since it's release proves you wrong. Not a fad.

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sawao_yamanaka
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:38:25 AM

Crysis is more style than substance and fact is the game was pirated and sold way below expectations. Killzone being a fad...now that's funny!

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:41:52 PM
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The problem with COD is that it is a rip-off. Every year, they come out with the same game with a different skin; and then slam a $60 price tag on it. It is a complete waste of time and money. One moment, I am enjoying a game, then a new one comes out; and the old one becomes infested by hackers; henceforth, becoming unplayable. There is no point in wasting money on an average game that becomes outdated faster than cell phones get outdated when I can be playing games like Uncharted, and Killzone.

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Nas Is Like
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 10:47:03 PM

If by different skin you mean new guns, new maps, mix of new and old yet improved perks, new killstreaks, new challenges and new theme...then yes, every year is just a new skin for a game.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:06:19 PM

...worse graphics...

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:54:37 AM

Nahhh. I'm starting to see this complaint all the time around here and it's been bugging me for a while. Black Ops may be running on the same engine as World at War, but the visuals are quite a bit better than W@W is. A lot of the reviews you'll read are written by people who won't be arsed to take the time and compare the two -- save from memory, much the same as most folks that are making the very general comments about the graphics engine. I, however, did. I slapped in W@W and played a bit of the campaign as well as all the zombie maps just for comparison's sake.

The engine may be the same, but there have been some drastic improvements in the visuals department between the two games; especially where facial animation is concerned. The explosions, the environments -- and atmosphere of those environments -- have all been improved.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:30:02 AM

I play the PC versions of COD, so idk anything about the ps3 copies, but Black Ops looked identical to W@W on my pc, and that was with every option maxed out.

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Underdog15
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:40:40 PM

When you compare CoD to itself, Black Ops is an improvement visually from W@W, for sure.

In the broad spectrum of gaming, however, going back to Black Ops after playing KZ3, you notice the difference. I'm not flaming, just being honest. There's a HUGE difference. You'd be silly to think otherwise.

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ColTater
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 3:36:53 PM

"If by different skin you mean new guns, new maps, mix of new and old yet improved perks, new killstreaks, new challenges and new theme...then yes, every year is just a new skin for a game."

Same gameplay, same gameplay, same gameplay, same gameplay,same gameplay. BORING! Oh, not to the ADHD/ADD twitchers.

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tes37
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:06:35 PM
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I've avoided FPS's since the PS1 days. Killzone 3 makes the first one I've ever purchased and I liked it. So I'm no longer going to avoid the genre but I'm going to be selective about what I get.

Reading articles and comments from Ben and the community of gamers here at PSXE, is what convinced me to try the genre again after 15 years. What I gather from it all, is that I would most likely remain okay with FPS's if I stick to Sony exclusives.

Call Of Duty may be popular, but I feel like I should continue to avoid Activision for the time being. Sony's pumping out the games too quickly for me to consider giving very much money to developers and publishers who don't push the PS3 harder.

As much negative press as Activision gets, I'm kind of surprised it doesn't impact sales. I guess people aren't blaming the developer for the actions of the publisher and for the most part that's fair.

It's possible that being at war for the last two decades has helped with the franchise's huge sales. Guns are popular among Americans and I know I don't ever pass up a chance to go target shooting. Games are are the next best thing if you can't wrap your hands around some nice weapons.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:11:21 PM

I love me some target shooting too. A lot more fun than playing a FPS...just a bit expensive nowadays. :/

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tes37
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:19:11 PM

Ammunition can get expensive, but there are plenty of wooded areas around me that I get to avoid the added cost of using a shooting range.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:23:43 PM

Yea, the range is the least of my expense. The cost of .45 ACP rounds is what kills me. When I can find some.

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tes37
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:52:52 AM

I used to own a Springfield 1911 .45, but I kind of favor the .40 caliber now because the accuracy is better with similar stopping power.

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:15:35 AM

Nice. I kind of want a Springfield Operator. I currently have a S&W 1911, S&W version of the tactical AR15, a S&W .38 Spec my grandpa gave me and a Springfield XD.

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:10:16 AM

"to avoid Activision" theres your problem in gameing u care too much about the companies and industry i couldnt care less tbh if a company good or bad makes a good game i'll buy it.....say if sony was the same would u turn down uncharted?

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:45:18 AM

Did you not read the 'for the time being' part? How about the part where tes mentioned his reasoning for not buying Activision games? You know, the part about being selective about FPSes, and wanting games that push the PS3?

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 7:46:47 AM

im talking about you guys and your feeling towards them in general

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 11:18:12 AM

If Sony and Naughty Dog were complete douches like Activision, yes, I would be consistent in my views and not buy their games. Thankfully they're not.

Boy, some of you people really having trouble with your reading comprehension today.

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tes37
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:31:11 PM

Godslim, the only problem I'm having with gaming is time and I do care who ends up with the money I work for. If you owned Activision I could see why you think I shouldn't stand by what I believe in, other than that you sound a little sensitive.

Thanks Lawless and Jawknee.

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:33:51 PM

guys this is just video games your telling me you'll pass up a great game because for some wierd reason u have a grudge with the publisher *sigh*

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:55:37 PM

Godslim, we work hard for our money and simply choose not to support a publisher we don't like by giving them our hard earned money for games we don't like. That's the beauty of Capitalism. We as free people get to vote with our wallets.

"Why do you care so much" how we spend our money?

Yea, you see what I did there?

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Underdog15
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:03:11 PM

@godslim

See below my response to Alienage's post. I clearly indicate that in and of itself, CoD almost acts as a pioneer to multiplayer gaming. And I give it just due for what it's great for.

But look at my complaints. It has nothing to do with the gameplay or graphics. I think my issues are closely related to Jawknee's. I find it hard to believe that most people don't experience the same frustrations I do.

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PasteNuggs
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 7:56:47 PM

@Godslim
Boycotting products is not that uncommon, not just in games, but other businesses as well. You can't blame people for not wanting to buy a game that does nothing to improve it's self. In this age of gaming there are so many quality titles that educated people are obviously going to reward the developers who always try to improve upon their foundation instead of reskinning their games. Everything about Black Ops is changed to fit the era but it all has the same function as MW2.

If ND didn't do what they did from UC1 to UC2 they would be bashed upon just as much as anyone else. But they strive to give us the best product on the market and currently they are doing it and I expect UC3 will be even more of an improvement.

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Godslim
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 1:38:42 PM

i just dont see the point in it at the end of the day this is justing gaming not some political change....gaming just enjoy games that are decent

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Godslim
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 1:42:02 PM

oh Paste2TheNuggs i aggree man i hate that they are doing that and not really improving the series that much with there stupid " if it aint broke dont fix it thing"

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:25:47 PM

""i hate that they are doing that and not really improving the series that much with there stupid " if it aint broke dont fix it thing" "

Yet you continue to reward this buy continuing to buy their games. Do you really not see how you are contradicting yourself? You want them to improve, yet you keep rewarding their non improvements.

::facepalm::

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Godslim
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 6:00:25 PM

only because i relised it with black ops.....which i never play the trailers and reviews for it are pretty damn good and well i brought it coz my mates were and cod is the social game

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kaygee_96
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:28:26 PM
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i agree and disagree with you black ops is a solid game but what i dont like about cod is that it actualey focuses around multiplayer not to brag but its good that multiplayer is being more focused on but what about the FPS fans that like games witha bit more storyline or should i say meaning to it?

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Clamedeus
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:57:27 AM

Maybe Single Player, but Multiplayer has some problems of it's own. Hit detection is complete garbage sometimes, and when you have a good host some how it manages to mess up the experience of playing. It just infuriates you sometimes.

Mind you it happens once in awhile but when it happens it's annoying, in some cases it'll happen a lot unexpected.

I don't have anything against COD, i play it once in awhile with buddies but, it has problems that need to be fixed.

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Bonampak
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:32:39 PM
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Black Ops sold those 13.7 million units in the U.S. with the COMBINED sales across Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, PC, Wii, and Nintendo DS.

I dunno if that's fair to bundle all those sales numbers that way... Because in some cases, those games were technically different. They only happen to share the same title.

It would be like Nintendo claiming that Mario is the best selling game ever, by combining the sales numbers of every Mario game ever sold in the US. How fair would that be?

I think a clue to Ben's question in regard to the enigmatic popularity of Black Ops, is given by the 2nd best selling game in the US: Wii Play.

It's merely a popular fad that has been eagerly adopted by millions of mainstream consumers.

And that is also hard evidence of how much power such a type of consumer currently holds in the US.

For better or for worse. That's how it is.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:37:48 PM

"Black Ops sold those 13.7 million units in the U.S. with the COMBINED sales across Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, PC, Wii, and Nintendo DS."

Aaaah...and the plot thickens! I forgot it was released on 5 platforms.

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Bonampak
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:14:20 PM

Look... NPD arbitrarily decided that it was okay to bundle all the sales numbers of every game with the title Black Ops slapped on the box.

That was fine by them.

Yet consider this:

They disqualified Wii Sports from being considered, because it was bundled with the Wii in the US.

So Black Ops COMBINED numbers can be bundled together, but Wii Sports is eliminated because it was sold as a bundle with the Wii.

That's why I call shenanigans on all that "best selling game in US history" headline.

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Jawknee
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:25:30 PM

I agree. :)

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LightShow
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:40:44 PM
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why do people smoke cigarettes? it used to be a cultural thing, now theres a significant sector of the population that cant imagine life without cigarettes.

COD used to be on the leading edge. now people dont bother to try something else because theres a learning curve when coming off COD. seeing as how each COD game plays the same as the one before it, you can play a brand new game without having to learn a brand new game. for more examples, see the Madden and Guitar Hero franchises.

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just2skillf00l
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:55:24 PM
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The COD franchise isn't bad, not at all. It's just that I feel with all the money they generate, the developers should be able to pump out much higher quality titles. Fixing the online portion to have no lag doesn't seem their priority. K3 online is lagless. Explain this? Maybe they could create a new engine? B3 did!

The problem I have with the developers is that it seems like they don't care as much about its fans as other developers like ND and GG does. Sure they give us another game every year but its just the same ol. They don't know how to WOW the crowd they just go on dishing out a slightly-better-heavily-familiar-last-year's-model. And for most people that's ok.

The sad thing is that it is ok. It's ok for a game that could be unforgettably amazing to be just grood (a mishmash of good and great). That's what keeps people coming back for more. Grood. A company that takes minimal if no risks at all and makes billions. I find it to be a very low bar to set for such an influential element to the gaming industry. It's making people like Ueda want a piece-a-dat.

But no one can do what COD does better than COD. And what do they do? Bring you back for more of the semi-same. Same feel...new background. Grood stuff!

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Alienange
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 11:59:43 PM
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Anyone who's played the multiplayer components of 99% of the games out there understand full well why there is CoD "mania." Online multiplayer in most games is by and far, trash. Poor lobby setup, poor friend invite (if there's one at all), poor control, poor map design, poor choice of weapons and on and on it goes.

CoD was nothing special either until CoD4 where gamers could see for themselves(in some rather brilliant advertising) that the game was going to offer them something they could relate to. Something they did NOT already have. No space marines, no demons from hell, no earth invasion, just guns and online battles in some of the best designed multiplayer maps we've ever seen.

Nobody wants to run around online with the super-shock-rocket-lock weapon of destruction from some silly sci-fi game setting. As a friend of mine once said, "CoD makes you feel like you're GI Joe." The sounds, graphics and action all combine to make you feel like a hero. And that's what the huge fps crowd wants.

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FM23
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:37:23 AM

Great way to put it!

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Underdog15
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 5:59:38 PM

I agree too.

I've never said, personally, that CoD's multiplayer is bad in and of itself. (I'm not saying you were saying I or anyone said otherwise, lol) I think it works very well, and there are some things many games could learn from it, and in fact, it could probably be said that CoD has pioneered much of the preferred online gaming styles of today.

What I still take issue with is the lack of reliability in the multiplayer. The reason I don't play Black Ops online anymore is because I'm sick of being frustrated of problems complete unrelated to the intended design of what the experience should be, if it were bug free. For me, over time, these many many bugs and unreliability and the lack of region restriction or the terrible host selection, some nights become unbearable to the point we just quit for the night prematurely.

Honestly, if it was done much much better, and if they would support the game enough to fix the issues, I would likely be willing to call it THE best console experience.

As is now, I just can't play it for long before getting angry at the inability to finish matches or restrict people with bad connections. It's the lack of support the top selling game has, that lesser selling games seem to provide that make it an unfavorable experience for me.

And that is why I dislike the mania. I really don't feel Activision and devs for their games will ever step it up... because people support their product whether they support it or not. I guess I just feel they limit themselves and that CoD will never be what it could/should be.

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___________
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:22:51 AM
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its simple.
its MP is plainly the best out there!
its supported really well, the devs give it heaps of attention, there constantly having competitions, there constantly having double XP weekends, theres heaps of map packs.
few games get these, most release and get dev support for a few weeks then the crickets start flowing in.
this though, well, look at MW2.
over a year and a half old, and its still one of the most played games!
hell IW just released a patch for it!
when was the last time you heard a dev release a patch for a 1.5+ year old ps3 game?
only if sony supported their games that well!

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Qubex
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:17:36 AM

To be hones I prefer the Killzone multi-player setup!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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___________
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 8:10:11 AM

as do i, there really the only 2 games i actually enjoy playing online.
MAGs ok, but gets frustrating spending 20 minutes traveling to the objective, dying and having to spend another 20 traveling back.
you spend more time traveling to objectives, then you do doing them!
that and every game i entered, no one would bother doing the objectives id be the only one there so i just gave up.
if i had a penny for every time i went to defend a base, and was the only one of my team mates there id be a multimillionaire by now!

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 12:34:22 AM
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I still believe the mania is fuelled by peoples love of the first Modern Warfare, CoD 4.

I still believe it was the best in the series. Great story variation in gameplay. Excellent action moments. Tight controls and good mechanics.

This quality title opened up many people to console FPS, especially with split-screen mulitplayer thrown in for fun parties.

When people buy new iterations of the franchise, they know they are buying the same quality standard that CoD 4 set.

In my opinion, MW2 was a huge disappointment, nothing new with Multiplayer and the campaign was horrendously short, and poorly paced. It was clearly an Activision cash-in, but the masses still bought it. Why? Cos it was the sequel to the best game of 2006, and people wanted more. Can you blame them?

Only reason I got Black Ops was cos I didn't have a CoD on my 360, my friends were all getting it on their 360's AND I heard there were fun improvements to the multiplayer, like one in the chamber, explosive RC cars and balanced perks.

I think that CoD mania will continue for some time until something better comes out OR Activision does the unthinkable, cancels the yearly installment and works on a new CoD with a new engine, graphics, physics, gameplay and setting.

It really is such a shame that people don't see the fun and quality games like Killzone 3 or Bulletstorm being much more fun and rewarding, but I like that difference and I got both games.

Quite frankly, me and many of my friends are over CoD. We've all agreed to stick with Black Ops and move on to Battlefield 3, and not bother with MW3 or any other CoD project in the works.

And finally, just to be clear, I don't hate CoD. I think it is a very good game. Just not the best, the deepest or the most fun. Deepest I give to Borderlands. Best I give to Killzone 2 and 3. Most fun I give to Bulletstorm.
What I hate is that so many people claim that it is the best when they haven't even tried other quality titles, and don't even bother trying it with an open mind. It's always about how similar or different it is to CoD, and that just makes me mad!!!

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Qubex
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:18:48 AM

Battlefield 3 looks awesome... but what happens if they release a futuristic CoD in an amazing setting... would that not tempt you?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:54:45 AM

It might, a futuristic CoD might be fun, but only if it had cool guns to toy around with, and changes to it's multiplayer formula. Nothing drastic, but just something more than a few perks.

AND most importantly, a long and highly satisfying single player campaign. Look at Uncharted 2. It had multiplayer but what sold people on it was it's fantastic single player campaign!! Single player lovers like myself are not being left out, Sony is already seeing to it.

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Godslim
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:07:38 AM

"I still believe it was the best in the series. Great story variation in gameplay. Excellent action moments. Tight controls and good mechanics.

This quality title opened up many people to console FPS, especially with split-screen mulitplayer thrown in for fun parties. "

have to aggree man!

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Temjin001
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:15:06 AM
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My guess is two major elements. Online connectivity and appealing subject matter that's easily engaging by the target demographic.

online connectivity: it's united gamers abroad in a competitive environment for seemingly infinite game play. The online competitive console boom happened with Xbox LIVE. I see this consumer entertainment paradigm similarly to the Wii motion controller craze but targeted at different demographics. Social structures, whether it be videogames and social communication sites like Facebook, youTube, Twitter, WoW, and CoD etc serve as a centralized hubs for each of their respective markets.

subject matter: WW2/Middle_Eastern conflict/NAM are all iconic in American history and it serves as an easily identifiable impetus for far reaching social attraction.

doh! out of time. I'll just post what I've done.
Good night y'all!

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Excelsior1
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:15:15 AM
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the multiplayer is a huge factor in driving cod sales. there is a lot of peer pressure to play it. the only thing i hate about cod sales is that it gets the likes of ueda saying they want in on the action. it's probably killing off a lot of game sales that might otherwise go to more unique titles as well.

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Qubex
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:21:00 AM

I think the multiplayer IS the number one factor... people wanting to be the first to have their names on the board with a high XP ranking. Showing the neighbourhood who is boss...

In other words - "gamer vanity"!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:18:51 AM

Also known colloquially as the E-Penis.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:56:41 AM

LOL Lawless!!!! You totally nailed it!

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Temjin001
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:14:02 AM

*Temjin looks up "colloquially" in dictionary*
...
*Temjin's vocabulary expands*

=)

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karneli lll
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:27:51 AM
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Personally, i think that anyone who only plays COD is a casual gamer and we all know what casual gamers did for the Wii! As much as there is freedom to choose i think these casual gamers are ruining it for the rest of us, because now games are being tailored to their patterns.Sooner or later they will get over COD but there will be another casual game to occupy them by then

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:03:05 AM

I must oppose that argument.

Introducing casual gamers is what made this gaming industry into the gargantuan mega industry that it is today. The Wii opened up a lot of people to gaming, people who would probably never hold a controller in their life!!!

It is a slow but steady transition of video games becoming the new medium of entertainment and story-telling for all. So long as the hardcore crowd lives, there will be great games like Uncharted, Killzone, Dead Space, Assassin's Creed, Demon's Souls, Dragon Age, etc.

It's just that it will be sharing shelf space and digital server space with casual games like Farmville, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty, Wii Sports and so on.

It's not a bad thing. The industry is just growing to adopt a larger variety of audiences. Who knows? Maybe a large amount might carry over into supporting hardcore games like the ones I listed above?

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karneli lll
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 5:03:30 AM

The Wii proves that casual gamers almost never become regular players, hardcore games like Mad World failed because the casuals do not care for quality and the industry has taken notice. Thank Sony for sticking to hardcore games at the cost of profit

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:02:13 AM

While I agree that the Wii is almost strictly for casual gaming, I can't agree about CoD.

I'd at least play the single-player campaigns, just because they can be fun. ...and I doubt I'm considered "casual."

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Alienange
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 11:23:10 AM

And we want Monster Hunter on the PS3 dammit!!

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Bonampak
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:25:33 PM

@karneli lll,

Madworld was a crappy game. Period. And I bet that it wouldn't have sold more on the PS3. Since we PS3 users are more aware about what we buy. Madworld was just too short and repetitive. So I don't think it can be fairly used as an example of a core game failing on the Wii. It was a low budget broken game with little value. So it deserved the sales it got.

Fact is, there are almost no AAA core game produced for the Wii. At least coming from 3rd parties. Most of their efforts are half-bake crap-fest. All of the big core games have gone to the PS3 and 360.

There have been some 3rd party success stories on the Wii, though. Goldeneye 007 already sold a million units (that's quite an achievement on the Wii). The CoD games on the Wii are also a perfect example of games that sell well in that console (Black Ops sold 2 million on the Wii)

And Nintendo has always managed to produce core games that have sold millions. Mario, Zelda, Metroid and lately, Donkey Kong Country Returns which has sold like 4.4 million units. So that means that it does have a core gamer user base.

On the casual front, lets not forget that Sony did that first. Not Nintendo. Sony branched out to reach non-gamers and mainstream audiences first, back in the PS1 and PS2 days.

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MadPowerBomber
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:57:07 AM
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it's essentially the facebook of video games at the moment. It has a lot to do with socializing between players of the game, connecting with friends -- a lot of military folks will connect with their units/platoons/whatever after service to keep the connection up, etc., etc.

Call of Duty is a social game, for the most part. That's what keeps it going.

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:17:01 AM
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The map design along with the modern setting in cod 4 started this phenomenon. Throw into the mix how accessible it is and you have the start of something big.

It instant gratification, bit then there is nothing wron with that.

Personally, I don't have the time anymore to devote hours of my time to gaming. I only play hardcore s&d, which to me involves tactics as opposed to just running round shooting.

Peace out CoD haters

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Ignitus
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 3:47:47 AM
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I haven't played a CoD game but if it is selling that much it's because it has to be that much fun.
Of all the FPS games that I have played, Halo is king, specially Halo 3, I just kept coming back for more online multiplayer bacause I found it so much fun. Nowdays, with my live gold suscription expired (and no plans to renew it while it has a fee), no more online multiplayer on the 360. Now I do my online multiplayer on the PS3 but I still haven't found a FPS as fun as Halo. That being the case I'm looking forward to bungie's new multiplat game.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 11:35:52 AM

It was fun for awhile but it never kept me to keep playing after a couple of months.

I've only played 1 and 2, but from the game play i have seen of the new ones it doesn't seem like it would make me want to play the new ones. It was fun mind you, but it can only keep you from playing for so long. One part i didn't like though is that people take too many shots to kill, that's one of the parts i didn't like about it.

It takes like 2 whole clips almost to kill him, i could see 7 shots maybe but it's too many.

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Cesar_ser_4
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 4:43:38 AM
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sounds like cod has turned into the fb of videogames

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BlueJelloXIII
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:44:50 AM
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It is my opinion that the COD-mania is not due to just one factor. Or even to just a couple of factors. I believe that this game series is designed to hit as many bulletpoints of mainstream gaming as possible in an effort to make it the biggest game series.
As much as some people dislike them, first person perspective games are the some of the biggest titles out there. From Halo, Killzone, Bulletstorm, Battlefield, Medal of Honor to Fallout and Elder Scrolls. These titles account for huge sales across all platforms.
Then you have the online multiplayer aspect. Like has been mentioned quite a bit some people just want to sit for hours upon hours killing each other. It's not really my cup of tea, but I understand the appeal.
Next consider single player campaigns. They need to be short enough for people to finish, and exciting and action oriented enough to make people want to finish them.
How about brand recognition? The name of the game can be what sells. If your mother, brother, father, sister, girlfriend, wife, etc has heard of the game it's more likely to end up a birthday/christmas present. When you have total market penetration by being on every console imaginable it makes it easier for these people to pick up the game. "Halo, yeah I've heard of that game! It's supposed to be really good but it's not available for Bobby's DS?" So when these customers are out searching the racks for a present the brand recognition is what's going to pop out at them.
I think of movies when I think of COD. Like Transformers 2 and Star Wars the Phantom Menace. No one will ever argue that these are great (or even good in some aspects) movies. Yet they sit in the top 25 grossing movies of all time. They have CGI, huge budgets, explosions, hot chicks running in slow motion and a excitement about them. When Jack and Diane are headed to the cineplex on a Saturday afternoon they're usually gonna go for the movie that looks the most fun, that they'll lose themselves for a few hours and maybe get some laughs and enjoyment out of.
And that's the last thing. Fun. When you have a game like COD with all it's different modes, especially Black Ops, there is really something for everyone. You have a action packed campaign, online multiplayer, zombies mode, zombies arcade mode & zork all one one game disc. You're bound to find something on there that strikes your fancy.
I think this series is just engineered to sell well. It hits as many big points of a bestseller that it can to move product. And I think the numbers prove that. Without bringing personal feelings about the series or the publisher in, it's hard not to see that. In the end they have a game disc that will appeal to a wider range of people, with the ability for everyone to play it.
Sorry for the length of this post but this is honestly a subject I've thought about for awhile. I find myself purchasing these games every year despite the feeling that I'm helping a series that doesn't deserve all the accolades it receives. I only play the games for their campaign which, while not the best, are definitely fun ways to kill a few hours. Thank you for anyone who took the time to read all of this. I hope you enjoy your days and keep enjoying yourselves and your gaming experiences.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:50:08 AM

I like it. A plausible, cohesive, unbiased view. And you're right in most (a personal perspective) of the aspects of your argument. Can't argue with logic when it's been put like that.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 7:31:08 AM

Great post BlueJelloXII. You are spot on.

Regardless of how you feel about the franchise, there is no denying the brand power, casual or hardcore gameplay and success behind this series.

I think you did a great job pointing out why this game is so popular without letting personal feelings or bias get in the way. Bravo!

And while black ops wasn't up for any GOTY awards, it definitely has everything needed to attract all types of gamers to it. It's the game for nearly everyone, but I think one of the biggest points you left out was the importance of peer selection. CoD is popular because you know it's what your friends will be playing so it's pretty obvious that if you wish to play with or against friends, you go with the most popular option and get what everyone else is playing.

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BlueJelloXIII
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 8:03:54 AM

DanceMachine55 thank you.
I did indeed forget to mention the peer aspect. How many of us are interested by things our friends are talking about? I know if everyone I know is talking about the snowmobile or airport (I know not Black Ops, but just as an example) scenes, it makes me interested in experiencing them for myself. I was able to hold off on Black Ops for a whole 3 days until just hearing about it was no longer enough for me. So yes, you are definitely correct in this point and I can't believe I left it off. Thank you again folks.

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Beamboom
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:44:15 PM

Very good post, had some points I never thought of.

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SubjectiveTruth
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 8:28:59 AM
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I think what makes it addictive for people is that it is fast and simple. It takes very few shots to kill someone, and you move really fast. This works in a lot of ways. For example, when a beginner starts playing, they get killed a lot but they still get that taste of blood because they get lucky with their position a few times in a match and they get to kill someone else. It helps if people get to win a bit because winning is what you get hooked on.

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thj_1980
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 8:37:24 AM
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it's getting killstreaks and pwning other people is what keeps on bringing people back to this series. Plus the satisfying kill you do apparently makes people fell good. This game can get boring pretty fast.

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airwedge1
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 9:17:09 AM
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For me MW 1 was the first game that I really played multiplayer, and the primary reason was because I had friends that also played. First it was only a couple, but then their friends also started playing, and now I have a huge group of friends to play COD with. When new games come out everyone wants to re-kindle that same fun factor of playing together, and everyone gets used to it. Since so many COD games come out, it's very hard for people to buy a different FPS shooter game, because of time, and money. By the time you get really bored of the game there is a map pack that re-kindles your excitement or a new game that comes out, and their simply isn't time to play anything else. Especially when we all have jobs and lives, so I at least maybe play 3 or 4 hours a week. I tried getting my friends to play Killzone 3, but they just wouldn't have it. In my mind Killzone 3 is a definite upgrade, and has most of the goods things about COD, and not the annoying things. The only thing that is missing in killzone, which I miss is is the kill screen. A lot of times you die, and you have no freaking idea how it happened. Playing COD Black ops for PS3 the multiplayer is horrible, the frame rate is really bad, constant freezing and connection problems. Because of the friend factor though, we'll never get away from COD, just because you really have to convince a group of people at the same time to pick up the new game, rather then one individual person. Killzone is the better game, but because my friends all play COD, COD still ends up being the funner game because of playing with friends.

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GodofWarFan
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:37:07 AM
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They are trying to reach as many people as possible

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Danny007
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 10:47:06 AM
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I bought Black Ops because I was impressed with the trailers. When I played the actual game I realized that it was boring and they already put all the cool scenes from the game into the trailers so I had nothing left to enjoy.

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PharaohJR
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 1:24:42 PM
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black ops is ok i think. its the online that sets COD games of & also the establishment of COD name itself makes them the 1st pick for shooters.

for it to be the game with the most sales i think its like you acknowledge the age group of gamers is larger than what it was in the mario days. now that consoles also have other entertainment options i think all age groups are purchasing consoles now. for folks that buy consoles for other purposes when they decide to purchase a game i think they go by word of mouth or what they see on tv & damn near everybody right now is looking for games that have multilayer.

the idea of being in a virtual battlefield with some tools they probably wish they had or thought bout buying & the task being compete with others around the world for a rank..... is the cause for these sales.

i have mw & mw2 but didnt buy blk ops & wont be buying another cod untill i see major improvments gameplay wise.

its the top selling game now but i put $$$$ on it if GTA5 stays with the same blueprint it will takeover CODBO.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 2:23:28 PM
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COD multiplayer can be fun but when I get in a match where it's hacked it ruins everything. The map packs r to expensive, wish they drop down the price by half but it will never going to happen cause to much money is not enough money for Activision. And they're alot of things to fix to within the COD games.

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bluedarrk
Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 6:48:39 PM
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I enjoy playing blackops, I mean it has its faults what game doesn't? I do think its pretty low that people trash cod players opposed to trashing the game. A lot of people say idiots play black ops but smart people play battefield. Will I buy the next cod? Probably because I enjoy playing them do bash other fps? No not at all. I own all the battefields, got moh and have all the cods. I typically play mw2, kz3 and blackops. I'll get homefront when that comes out as well as bf3. I like fps in general, but I play the cods cause a lot of my friends only play that. If there is a problem with cod is that their players only want cod nothing else. They are comfortable with that franchise and don't want to try anything else. But as gamers just stick to criticizing games not bashing each other its getting old.

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Nas Is Like
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 12:04:12 AM
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I've been a huge fan of Call of Duty since CoD 4, and have since been buying the games. Through all their issues, bugs and glitches (which, admittedly, can be really annoying at times) I love the game because of all the options I have and from the fierce competition online, which gives me infinite replay value for the game. I can choose from many different game types, use different guns, customize classes how I want them, the engine is fantastic and so is the response rate I use in the series that I haven't seen in any other FPS, and etc. The series is still great to me.

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shootu
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 9:35:16 PM

I have been playing since the first COD came out.

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BeezleDrop
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 4:57:52 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the cod franchise being great to anyone but why support the step-backward in the fps genre. The new cod dev's were asked if they were going to use a new engine and they said it would be "counter-productive" and this is my point. The engine has been tested and proven since w@w that it's garbage. Just a mess, thus a step backward, what do real and proper dev's do with their engines for the sequel? Update or rebuild, the common practical enhanced necessary to keep all gameplay variations fresh.

STOP supporting IP Fatigue, try other games like gt5, lords of shadow, or pixel junk shooter 2. You don't have to be a trendy gamer, supporting other games is true innovation.

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nath08
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 10:22:55 AM
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its because your average village idiot can be good at it

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KingFate
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 10:46:18 AM
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I kind of view the CoD games as a game you can just chit-chat with your friends on while you play a game that's mostly built on reflex. I did recently pick up Black Ops though(USED, I have too much pride to help out good ole Bobby). A majority of my friends list plays it on a regular basis I figured I'd opt for that over KZ 3(since the impression I got from the demo was less than stellar, I much preferred the controls in KZ 2)

I mean it's not a terrible game by any means, but it's not a good game either. It's just a game that anyone can pick up and play and be relatively decent. I think that's the appeal, now I do much prefer shooters in the vein of Bioshock it's a reminder of the FPSes I grew up playing where atmosphere was the #1 thing.

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evilmunkie
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 2:29:11 PM
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Personally, i have finished the last 4 COD games, W@W, Black Ops, MW1 & MW2 is the order i enjoyed the games from most to least storywise. friends got me into W@W and once i unlocked zombie mode i will say W@W saw more than its fair share of time on my system (including after i got MW1 & 2) till black ops came out. i liked treyarch's work till it became more than obvious that they put more care in the 360 version of black ops. the multiplayer is good, the only one i found annoying was MW2 since its the only one that allows you to equip a gun with a grenade launcher and another attachment at no penalty (got to use up a perk to use two attachments though) and it doesn't help when almost everyone has that set-up. it took me 3 COD games to 'get good' at the MP, but now i dont even play it often now that KZ3 is taking up my time. The real learning curves in COD games are learning the maps, learning where/what cheaters or campers stay/do, and learning what equipment/killsteaks suites you. you get that down and the game seems less erratic and twichy. Have none of you ever felt the rush playing these games? A good or lucky streak always gets my adrenaline going when all i want is to get my killstreak. I am sorry but i dont think i have ever felt that with any MP portion of a game no matter how much i enjoy the experience. I see it as a simple basic game with afew layers to keep it interesting. Its that perceived simpleness that has made me skip on COD this year and the next. Its all a little same-y so i should be good playing the MP from the ones i have for atleast a while.

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azarel_7
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 3:41:16 PM
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I think its simple, control wise at least. Aim, shoot. It has a very low learning curve so its not overly frustrating, plus the control scheme remains the same between the games so "old school" COD can just pick it up and play in addition to the new players..

You can play with multiple friends. Each game has several guns, several stages, each of which can be played in a different way...plus you can play against people 24/7..its easy to find lobbies online.

So its simple to pick up, but still can be very varied in a number of different ways, plus the sheer thrill of playing against other people just makes each iteration popular..

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Darkus
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 5:18:09 PM
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Hi. dont know if it is because i am from UK but i always seem to be one of the last to put a comment on so dont get a lot of response. ho hum.
Not trying to bait anyone but i enjoyed the early jawknee back and forth comments. when i first read what he said i thought it was a bit generalised and offensive but it is his personal opinion, and one that i think i share!
i have not played black ops but have played all other CODs on ps2 or 3. i have put this on other threads but the main reason i wont buy black ops is because everyone else has - i am not a follower by nature (rubiks cube, skateboard etc). my 9 yr old son wants me to get it because all his friends have it. its an adult game! but this may answer the original thread of why so many people buy it. we are social and want to play with our friends, so as someone said previously, yes its a virus. i am tempted as my friends have it but luckily i have persuaded some of them to buy BF2. no lie, but the friends that have BF2 no longer play black ops. does it make BF2 better? subjective as we all like different things, but i think it does. it is a much more balanced enjoyable experience.
some of the other reasons i got fed up with MW1 and 2 were :- so narced at the constant verbal abuse, hence i think jawknee is right about the IQ of a lot of players, they think it makes them clever to swear at others, duhhh; my friends and i were always getting kicked out of games due to connection - i realise this may be because of the volume of people playing but come on, get it sorted; i might have been a rubbish player but i found i was playing spawn and die games - not enjoyable.
BF2 is not perfect and there can be the odd game when you are thrashing others or being thrashed. i dont enjoy either as i like close competition. if my side is thrashing the others i will just as likely leave as when i am being owned. However, i dont have the same problems in BF2 as i did with the COD online experiences. i bought the game a year ago and play it still as if its new. that has never happended with any other game i own. however, everyone talks abot black ops (even those that have not played it), only people who own BF2 know how good it is.

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Godslim
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 6:06:16 PM

see i just cant aggree with jawknee i think his views on cod are bit odd.....but i do aggree dude cod is a social game now its easy to play with mates and is fun with them....personally i was very dissapointed with black ops and much prefer bad comapny 2 but the thing that sucks is more people have cod.....k3 is another example i love it but dont have many of mates playing on it

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Jawknee
Sunday, March 13, 2011 @ 7:59:27 PM

You don't have to agree with me Godslim but your views are inconsistent and make you look like a hypocrite. On one hand you complain about the lack of quality yet you continue to give them your money which gives them no incentive to change. If you have no problem rewarding their lack of effort then don't complain!

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 4:51:45 AM

Jawk - I dont get your responses.

Are you trying to persuade CoD players not to play CoD because you dont think they should like it based on your recent experience?

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DjEezzy
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 2:59:13 PM
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I knew this article was going to cause a flame fest. LOL. Geez people relax. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I like COD but it is definitely not my favorite game. I think there are much more games, even shooters, that are tons better. Having said that... I have friends with plenty of style and with good taste that only play COD BLOPS. I've tried to get them to play KZ3 and i even managed to turn them on to BFBC2. Really, people like what they like. Jawks comparisons about movies and music were fine. It's just his observation of who he knows. That doesn't mean that every COD player is the same. He didn't say that. Honestly though. The way some of you react to his statement kind of gives us COD players the image we have and also gives reason to other people generalizing. I've never seen so many touchy people in my life as i do with gamers. Please don't take that as a bad thing. Obviously we all take our hobbies seriously, but come on. Relax a little.

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Cabalavatar1
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 4:18:20 PM
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@ Lawless:
At least in academia, where so much of the politically correct vernacular derives from, "queer" is actually the more appropriate term for non-heterosexual sexual proclivities. In fact, it's become such a pervasive term that "Queer Theory" is the official terminology for all theory and literature on the topic of non-heterosexual sexualities.
I don't mean to suggest that your reservations about the usage of such a term ("queer") are wrong, per se, but bear in mind that in the field in which it's most frequently openly discussed, "queer" is most CERTAINLY an acceptable and even preferable term.

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Lairfan
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 8:03:11 PM
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Playing online with friends is the only reason most people buy this game. I don't know how many times I've heard, "Man, I suck at CoD, but its great to go online with the people from work." So 50% buy to play with friends I'd say, 35% are the CoD fanboys, and the other 15% are the people who legitimately like the series.

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somethingrandom
Monday, March 14, 2011 @ 10:53:55 PM
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I guess even though Black Ops is much worse than MW2 more people have just caught on to the series...

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Minishmaru
Tuesday, March 15, 2011 @ 2:31:48 PM
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I didn't like MW2 as much as the previous. But I did like Black Ops. I'm pretty sure most people didn't even play/finish the single player. Something about CoD and the multiplayer...is it cuz of how easy it is for people to hack the game? The fact that not everyone likes squad based combat like Bad Company? I really have no idea...its probably just word of mouth and peer pressure just like everything always has been. Hell even girls are flocking to CoD games! ::shrug:: the answer we may never know...

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Darkus
Saturday, March 19, 2011 @ 1:17:20 PM
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good opinions guys. i have to agree that i much prefer playing against mates online rather than strangers. before online (platform) came into being, i loved having mates round the house for split screen games, where you can safely swear and ridicule each other lightheartedly. i never thought i would have the same fun online with mates but having the whole TV screen to yourself is definitely better - although you cant throw popcorn at them. however, i find that swearing at strangers online (or being sworn at) usually ends in serious insults. thats not what i play games for!

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