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PSN Drama: Okay, I'm Officially Bored

All right, that's it. You've done it. Congratulations, game industry, you've given me a video game-related story I can no longer tolerate.

I love games; hence, I tend to revel in all sorts of big news, even if it doesn't necessarily appeal to my personal interests. It's just great to see video games get so much attention; for example, as indifferent as I am about Call of Duty, I really don't mind writing about new sales tallies or other hype/controversy surrounding a new title. In short, there has yet to be a super huge news story in the past four years that managed to embitter me; that completely soured me on the entire issue.

But it has finally happened. Endless headlines concerning this PSN/Qriocity/SOE fiasco continue to explode all over the Internet and as time goes on, they're loaded with more inaccuracies and more absurdities. But more than that, I just don't care anymore. This all boils down to a bunch of common pickpockets (which is all any hacker is) with massive delusions of grandeur, thinking they're patriots or humanitarians or revolutionaries or some such laughable label, committing criminal acts. Got it. Big damn deal. The planet somehow continues to turn.  I'm not impressed; I'm not all that annoyed (the PSN being down has had little impact on me), and all I can do now is roll my eyes.

Really, it's all I do. I hate looking about for news now because I look, roll my eyes, and move on...only to roll my eyes again ten seconds later. Then I have to leave the desk and get a glass of water. Then after I force myself to slog through the mess to find some decent stories, I have to avoid the Internet like the plague. I go row or read or take a drive. I just can't deal with this crap any longer. I'm not one to complain much and I usually don't rant in any of my editorials, but I've reached the breaking point. Anonymous, Sony, identity theft, blah blah blah blah BLAH.

A little while back, I did an article about how the PSN problem turns our attention to more important things. Now I'm not willing to give the ordeal any attention whatsoever (even though I'll have to for the job), and I refuse to attribute any life-altering significance to this ugliness. I'm done. I'm gonna go play the Final Fantasy IV: Complete Collection. Leave me the hell alone, Internet.

5/6/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (181 posts)

Sakaxxxx
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:49:02 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:51:50 PM
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I'm in the edge of handing on to this PSN outage. My Ps3 hasn't been turned on in a while. I just need PSN back up, but unfortunately that wont happen any time soon. Looks like SOE breach affected PSN outage too... Hopefully soon, they will announce when PSN will be back up and running again. In the next few days, I hope to see an estimate time of when PSN will be restored.

Let's just hope this is a restoration, where Sony's online services wont get hacked again.

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main_event05
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:57:20 PM

lol, look at that do-do-do-do-douche bag

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:11:46 PM

Why not grab some single player trophies instead of waiting on the network?

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:07:33 AM

@World, when I buy a game, I tend to Platinum it(with the exception of Brotherhood). I did everything I needed to, even before the outage happened, I just needed to do Socom 4 witch I did already. All I need is an Online trophy for my Platinum. Just patiently waiting on PSN.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:40:26 PM

Gotcha; no idea why people downthumbed you for that. lol

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:39:14 PM

Meh, if you have enough downvotes people will read your comment. Like fame, like hatred.

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 10:50:45 PM

BTW i wasn't calling killa a douche, just his avatar. its from some song

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TheAgingHipster
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:53:01 PM
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Wow... This is definitely the most bitter version of Ben I've ever seen. Good job, interwebs.

But, I'm right there with ya, Ben. I stopped following it a while back for precisely those reasons and have instead used the time to try and finally plat InFamous.

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jaybiv
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:54:11 PM
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Welcome to the world of 24 hour news cycles and blogs Ben. There is no escaping this story. No matter where I go online, I'm am reminded that I cannot log into the PSN. I'm feeling like a crackhead in jail right now. I can't wait for Sony to flip the switch.

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Riku994
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 9:58:12 PM
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But Ben, if the Internet leaves you alone, you won't have US anymore :(

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Shams
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:00:27 PM
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I approve this message.

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Doppel
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:49:37 AM

I second this notion.

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 9:22:42 AM

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite message at the Citadel.

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frylock25
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:03:32 PM
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i want to go back online and play multiplayer. i didnt think i would miss it this much but i do. i want to ride the west with my friends and shoot at people. i want to play some little big planet 2 online and play others levels. i want to play some multiplayer in killzone 3, i barely got to do any of that before it went down. ive had mod nation sitting here, unable to race online. i cant forget mag, i want to go on mag i just miss it.

i am really sick of this whole thing just dragging on. everyone making sony the bad guy and bashing them all day long. this world is really getting ass backwards. M$ can pump out a broken console and everyone eats it up and buys 3 of them. sony puts out quality and people sh!t on it and ignore it. sony gets attacked by basically terrorists and eveyone hates sony for it.

is it just me or has this felt like longer than it has been?

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johnld
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:18:44 PM

yeah, i want to play online again. i dont even turn on my ps3 anymore. my ps3 lost video while using the browser, tried holding power button but it took longer than 2 sec, a lot longer to turn off. its working fine right now but i just want to sync everything so i wont have to do stuff over in case anything happens. i got all these trophies and beating games on toughest setting plus all collectibles. i dont have a copy of crysis 2 gamesave because the damn thing is copy protected, so i cant copy it. i guess i'll try borrowing games for the wii for now.

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frylock25
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:36:37 PM

i went through a little phase where i wasnt playing my ps3 as much at the start of all this. i had also just got portal on my pc and was playing some half life 2 also. im back on my ps3 playing new vegas and im enjoying it.

one thing that bothers me is that there has not been any news from sony other than all this hacker/network down crap. like i understand what is going on but it shut sony down as a company all the way. its like they are a pc reformatting themselves and will reboot when done.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:14:26 PM

Hey John, when you get your free month of PSPlus you'll be able to access your Crysis 2 save if you put it on the cloud.

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Jawknee
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:38:24 PM

John is already a Plus member. Has been since day one I think. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:39:41 PM

Can you not save your copy protected crap on the cloud then?

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Naztycuts
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:46:14 PM

@Frylock It temporarily set back the online part of the company, which is a big deal, but as a whole Sony does have plenty of other sources of income. It isn't as if it's the end of Sony more like a much needed opportunity for them to step back and look at how they're doing things compared to how they need to be doing them to remain secure.

I have a feeling this whole thing is going to amount to a whole lot more than us having to change our passwords and sign up for theft protection. I'm sure any big corporation with sense is upgrading their security as much as possible, because in reality it can happen to any of them. This whole incidents huge and the way the media blew it up, it could change the internet as we know it forever. Soccer moms unite and change the world!

Thanks Fox, CNN, and CBS for taking advantage of another opportunity to make video games the devil. I really dont want to know how much of suburbia thinks their individual consoles are being hacked by computer geeks and that their CC info is hijacked and being sold to cyber terrorists. With Bin Laden gone I guess we have a new enemy. Cyberterrorists!! They're even scarier than the traditional terrorist because they ARE your neighbor! Excuse me while I roll my eyes so hard I see the back of my throat.

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Jawknee
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:57:59 PM

World, Yea you can. John mentioned the 150mb they give you wasn't enough for him save all his saves so maybe he ran out of space.

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Highlander
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:09:36 AM

You don't need to put all your saves there, just the copy protected ones and the save files for games you are actively playing. The rest you could backup to a thumbdrive. I'm about 50% on my cloud save storage. But I only have the game saves I really need there.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:00:33 AM

@world
yeah, i'm already using the cloud save. however, i only finished crysis 2 and socom 4 on hardest and all collectibles after psn went down. so right now i dont have access to the cloud to make a copy or get a copy. so if my ps3 craps out anytime before psn gets back up, i'm gonna have to redo crysis 2 again for trophies and gamesave. luckily socom isnt copy protected. i'm pretty sure this thing with my ps3 is a one time glitch though but i'm just being safe. I still have to start littlebigplanet 2 and i think i'm buying brink next week too.

@highlander
thats what i'm doing, any other non copy protected files i save on a memory stick pro duo. card readers on the launch ps3 is awesome.

@frylock
yeah, thats the thing that bothers me with sony's updates. its all the same noninformative posts. it always says the same things but nothing of actual information or update.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:19:56 AM

@jawknee
heres how i got plus. i bought a used copy of transformers war for cybertron at gamestop with a gift card i had. beaten the game then returned it for cash. went to best buy and bought psn cards to get plus. I kinda regret "borrowing" transformers though since it was a good game. i want to get it when price went down but cant seem to justify a purchase because i already beaten the game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:03:16 AM

Why would your PS3 crap out? You know it's not an xbox right?

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Fane1024
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:07:37 AM

World,

A lot of people here have had a PS3 crap out on them. Mine's YLOD'd twice. Fortunately, PS3 "deaths" are rarely final, but let's not be like the Xbots and pretend it never happens. We're better than that.

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:15:14 AM

Yea world, I use my PS3 exclusively for hours at a time for days. Especially with the 24hr races in Gran Turismo 5. I've had this Ps3 for almost about two years now. Im mostly worried about it crapping out through the outage due to PSN being down, because I cant sync my trophies or deactivate my account. I have 2 other Ps3's here so if I YLOD, I got 2 backup temporarily solutions.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:41:45 PM

I always take reasonable breaks, never had a problem on either of my systems.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:56:03 PM

@world
i'm just taking a precaution. my ps3 lost video while using the browser. i tried holding the power button for 2 seconds multiple times and it wont turn off. i tried holding the button longer and it finally did, about 30 secs i believe. since i never had this kind of "glitch" before, i'm just being cautious. did something like this happen to anyone else?

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Deleted User
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:07:49 PM
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As a mostly solo player, the PSN outage hasn't stopped me from playing MLB '11: The Show, Yakuza 4, or Tiger Woods PGA Tour '12. However, I am getting a little antsy. I want to play Portal 2 online; my 7 year-old nephew isn't a very good co-op partner LOL.

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packersfan66
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:11:09 PM

Yeah the show has been holding me over, not to mention Crysis 2 which i got for the 360 with the sole reason being I had 0 games for it lol.

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Lord carlos
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:11:44 PM
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Ok thats it!!
I shall unleash my hooded hoards & find those responsible.
SEEK......

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Dustinwp
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:17:04 PM
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THANK YOU BEN!!! This is the only site I can even tolerate lately.I don't get up and get water though, I get up and grab a beer. The PS2 era wasn't even that long ago,do people forget what it was like to actually enjoy video games without a bunch people talking over a mic?

I just got my plat on KZ3!Also, enjoying TRINITY:Souls of Zill O'll,Socom 4,and Motorstorm:Apocalypse.I like to drink beer on the weekends play BFBC2, but I don't think PSN being down is a, life or death situation.People act like they're console doesn't work if it can't do multi-player?I pity the people that can't enjoy the hobby in it's purist form.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:15:48 PM

How can you play Trinity? The demo scared me off.

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Dustinwp
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:46:04 PM

Ha ha! Yeah,I'm a sucker for Japanese games good and bad.TRINITY to me is like an Adam Sandler movie,no matter how cheesy it is, I can play/watch it over and over again. I also like Dynasty Warriors so.... there's no defending my taste in games.I think it takes a certain type of person too like games like TRINITY.;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:55:29 PM

I liked Billy Madison :)

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:04:04 AM

@world
i wish i had a study session like that..... i'm talking about the woman, not the man by the way.

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Deathstriker
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:28:33 PM
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I must say, I have been with Sony for like 13 year's now? I am still with them. I can't let go... It's like its my own kid, I love it to death.

I do feel let down though...

Sony I go the playstation when I was like 6 I never let it down, I have been a gamer and it all started with Resident Evil 2, GTA2, and MGS.

I just still am disappointed with you, but I will always love you.

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:29:51 PM

I love big corporations too.

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Deathstriker
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:31:01 PM

I could have done a little better on my english, but lol right now I am half asleep so IDC.

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:35:51 PM

/ I wasn't commenting on your English.

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:29:15 PM
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I just want to play my Mortal Kombat and my InFamous 2 beta. Looks like it'll be up on Saturday or Sony will just delay this thing again.

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marcusfrommo
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:29:22 PM
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I was so bored without my ps3, I went out to see Thor. I strongly don't recommend seeing it. If you do, go to rush hour at the nearest and cheapest theater, don't see it at a megascreen or in 3d. That's because you'll feel less cheated.

By the way, how many days is it till it comes back on? Is it 7 days or 14? This is just me, but I would rather everything come on at once. Whether it took one week or two.

Did you hear? There's a rumor that xbox may be releasing the 360 sequel at e3. (I strongly doubt it.)

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:30:58 PM

I saw Thor, pretty bad movie. HI kinda think it was too late to bring out a Thor movie anyway, he just isn't as popular as he used to be.

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frylock25
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:40:04 PM

well its not really if he is popular. its that they want to do avengers. you cant do avengers without Thor. they needed an origin story there it is now they move on. Thor will be in avengers but if there will be a Thor 2 will be based on sales.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:17:34 PM

I could tell Thor would suck balls by the previews alone. And previews can make ANY movie look good these days.

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Jawknee
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:40:31 PM

Thor looks pretty bad. Kind excited for Captain American though.

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:14:15 AM

I heard rumors that EA already has the new Xbox, which I highly doubt.

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LazyVigilante
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:54:07 AM

I like Thor very much..the character I mean...the movie I haven't seen yet.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:44:41 AM

I'm sick of comic book movies, action films no longer exist, its all just comic adaptations >:(

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GuyverLT
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:42:57 PM

I disagree agree it's a fun little popcorn movies it's definitely not the best superhero movie it is an Ok action movie. I would recommend to anyone who has time to spare and doesn't have anything else to do.

@Ultimadream

Uhh Fast Five is an action movie and it was pretty good action movie in my opinion.

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Excelsior1
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:36:29 PM
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i'm just worn out over the whole thing. there's no doubt sony is taking a pounding out there. what's really frustrating is i can't do anything about it. the headlines just keep coming. the announcement of the second breach plus info coming out about sony not running latest security updates on their servers are pretty damning in my opinion. no firewalls installed? that's what being reported out there.

that's over 100 million accounts when you add up psn and soe. that is going to make news. it's the extent of the breach that's driving the headlines and drama.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:19:36 PM

No firewalls built into the software, I seriously doubt Sony didn't have plenty of perimeter firewalls. But you know, they call them "hackers" for a reason. They hack through anyway.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:00:00 AM

They had firewalls. Excelsior just likes to regurgitate the anti-PS3 propaganda he reads on other sites.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 10:33:08 AM

anti sony propoganda? unbelieveable. it's what has been reported out there. the hackers used a known exploit on apache. one that there was a a security update for. sony employees knew about this for months and did nothing even though they were under threat from hackers.

i know they are called hackers for a reason, but there are some minimum steps that sony did not take on security. so much data was leeched from their network that i remain convinced they were not monitiring closely. the initial reports sort of confirm that.

if my computer got hacked and i wasn't running the latest security updates i would blame myself.

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Lairfan
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:42:23 PM

Dude, Excelsior, you need to be a little less pessimistic man. This isn't the end of the world for Sony. There have been far bigger hacks than this (although few were as well-publicized, but still), and once the PSN's back up, people will forget pretty quickly (and most analysts agree with this line of thinking apparently). Remember how quickly the whole leap year thing last year got resolved and forgotten? Yeah sure, that was a smaller problem, but it was very similar to this one.

As far as it being Sony's fault that they were hacked, Sony can't exactly control the hacker's, now can they? Sure, the hackers got through Sony's defenses, but you've gotta admit, 3 to 4 years is a long time for this kind of thing to happen, especially since Sony said when the PS3 released that the PSN was unhackable.

And all these people saying they're selling their PS3s and moving on are a bunch of liars. Maybe 1 out of 60 people will do that, but the others are just using the anonymity of the Internet to vent. Overall, Sony's not in danger of losing too much business. Sure, people who want to vent or who just hate Sony will give them a pounding on Internet forums, but unless that forum talk turns into physical selling of PS3s for 360s, there's not much reason for concern.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 9:47:38 AM

my god, there must have been a million reports about sony not having a fiewall, or the latest security updates. all i did was repeat them. they are not blameless here. that's my opinion. call it pessismistic, but i think it's more of a realistic view. the extent of the breach was just massive. they lost info on every account they had.

again, they knew they were under threat from hackers, but did nothing. sony employees were noting the security wholes for months b4 this attack. at least that's what was said at that hearing. it's not like i'm making this stuff up. the thing that bugs me the most is the "known exploit" on apache. just how seriously were they taking network security if they didn't even have the latest security updates installed? that's just negligent.

i just think there's a reason the victim card hasn't worked this time for sony. i just don't buy that a multibillion dollar comany was totally helpless and could do nothing to keep this from happening.

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Danny007
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:49:34 PM
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What I'm angry about is that they said it would be back this week! If they weren't sure about when it would be available again then why did they announce that?!

That just reminds me of friggin game delays. As you get more excited about a game and the release date creeps up on you the developer announces that the game will be available an extra month later. (Friggin GT5), I still don't believe that game is available yet. JK

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:05:59 AM

Think of it like remodeling a room in your house. You think you'll just tear down the old plaster and put up some fresh, new dry wall and the put your old trim back up.

Then once the wall is down you realize there wasn't any insulation, so you better put some of that in there. While you were pulling down trim some of it broke, so you gotta buy some more of that.

Oops you accidentally cut through the phone wire when bringing down the wall. Just goes on and on. So a project that you though might take a few days had unforeseen complications.

That's how most things are in life and when guessing how long anything will take, sometimes you hit your mark and sometimes their are unforeseen complications.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:51:47 PM
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I was very worried about it for a while. Then I went to the bank and found out that the PSN hack wasn't actually that big a deal. Don't really care what other websites have to say.

PS Blog, my bank and Highlander have given me all the info I need to know about this whole ordeal, and I feel so much more at ease.

All we have to do now is ignore the idiots on those other dumb bias websites who are out to destroy Sony's reputation and wait for PSN to be switched back on. Not long now.

I haven't visited IGN in days. I just can't handle their bias "articles" slandering the Sony name anymore. And all the idiots who friequent that site claiming they are trading their consoles towards a 360, just cos their service is still up. IT'S CALLED PATIENCE!!!

Seriously, I worry about our youth, it seems all patience has flown out the window. Everyone wants everything NOW!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:21:21 PM

It's true, this whole thing is only a big deal because it has been made one. In reality the biggest issue here is that people want more of a great free thing that went away for awhile. All the rest is BS.

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Fane1024
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:13:15 AM

*biased

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marcusfrommo
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:53:56 PM
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Littlebig..., I feel sorry for the people waiting and or paying for the megascreen/3d 12 am showing. 15 dollars just for the popcorn and drink, THEN add the 10 to 15 dollars for the ticket.

How are they going to do the avengers next year? What's the budget for that movie? When you include all the heroes, villians, there individual abilities, the special effects, and the actors and actresses pay? We'll see.

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frylock25
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:58:11 PM

its gonna be ironman, thor, captain america and not sure who else. most likely they will be trying to contain the hulk. not sure who else will be an actual bad guy in the movie.

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:02:29 PM

I have no positive expectations for the Avengers movie, its going to be odd considering they are planning to reboot Spiderman and Iron Man.

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Jawknee
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:43:34 PM

It annoys me to no end that Marvel used Iron Man 2 to set up The Avengers movie. John Favreau did such a damn good job with the first Iron Man. They should have just let him make a proper sequel instead of trying to introduce all those lame characters. It ruined the movie like Spiderman 3 was ruined with too many villains.

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:08:40 AM

They're not rebooting Iron Man.

Spider-Man yes, because those movies were done by a different studio and I'm quite thankful they are redoing Spidey.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:12:07 AM

@jawknee
avengers were kinda introduced in the first ironman after the credits. nick fury was shown but i guess the avenger initiative wasnt properly introduced till the end of 2. they're just trying to milk this avenger thing. i mean, noone really cares if thor had a stand alone movie. you can have thor be in the avenger movie and noone would care less about his origin. all they really needed was ironman and captain america. hulk cant really be used as a main character because he's too unstable, most he can do is a background character. i mean he's only hulk when he gets mad and even then all he does is break things. when he's not hulk hes just a scientist and who wants to watch just that.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:22:27 AM

Yea I know but they used the second movie to completely focus on building up some of The Avengers cast. It ruined the movie,

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Excelsior1
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:54:01 PM
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if only they had updated apache and put up a firewall.

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:15:31 AM

If only Geohot didn't release that exploit.

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___________
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:00:05 AM

what?
george had nothing to do with this!
his exploits have as much to do with this as mickey mouse does!

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 11:35:30 AM

It has everything to do with it. You seriously cannot afford to be this foolish.

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Lairfan
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:52:36 PM

Really Mrs. blank line? Are you really that naive? Mr. Geohot was the catalyst for this whole thing for crying out loud.

Saying you know anything whatsoever about this hacking debacle would be like saying Mickey Mouse is a dolphin. See what I did there?

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 10:53:42 PM

___________, you do realize that Mr. Mouse is the Devil.

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 10:59:44 PM
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Well I just found out that they delayed PSN reactivation......just great =/

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packersfan66
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:09:35 PM
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You would definitely hate ESPN radio

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:09:44 PM
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@Frylock, can't have an Avengers movie without Wolverine and Spiderman

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frylock25
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:27:31 PM

those characters have movies already is my point though. the Thor movie was problematic from the start. they just had to get it out there though. captain america looks better though.

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PorkChopGamer
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:39:56 PM

LBM, why do you need Wolverine and Spider-man? They aren't original Avengers.

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Jawknee
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:46:27 PM

Captain America looks promising. I don't even mind they picked the guy who played the Human Torch in those Craptastic Four movies. I guess Marvel is done with that series. Good riddance.

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:17:04 AM

I'm not sure about Wolverine, but Spiderman was an avenger. And whats up with that? with all the super hero flicks out there, there is never any mention of any other hero is any one movie.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:28:59 AM

They both joined New Avengers in 2005, but they weren't in the original lineup of the 60's.

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:11:30 AM

we won't be seeing wolverine because fox has the rights to the x-men, which is also why we don't see any of them in the marvel studios films or any mention of them. Also why they are redoing Spider-Man.

They are wanting to use Spider-Man in the avengers, but he won't be in the first avengers movie at least because the Spidey movie from Marvel won't be out until it's too late.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:23:31 AM

Sony owns the rights to Spiderman. Not Fox.

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Fane1024
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:19:33 AM

And, in fact, Sony are rebooting Spider Man so that the rights won't revert to Marvel.


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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:43:32 PM

Yeah, I know sony had the rights to spider-man because they did spider-man 1-3 and had the right to do a 4th, but after the 4th the rights were to go back to marvel.

Sony canceled the 4th films and so marvel automatically got the rights back and they are handling the reboot.

Fox never had spider-man, but they have the rights to the x-men.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:54:55 PM

@LittleBigMidget
The Avengers groups you're referring to is the NEW AVENGERS & the SECRET AVENGERS which includes Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Spider-Man, Ronin(Clint Barton), and Bucky Barnes who takes over the mantle as the new Captain America after Steve Rogers gets shot.

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Fane1024
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 4:17:32 AM

kraygen,

Spider Man 4 was cancelled, but The Amazing Spider Man is still a Sony picture. The rights didn't revert.


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newchef
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:10:21 PM
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im fine with this whole psn blackout...it gave me time to go through dragon age: origins again =)

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:17:55 AM

I just finished a few minutes ago, 65+ hours. I almose teared up at the end.

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RadioHeader
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:20:57 AM

I'm on the homestretch of a God of War-athon. Thoroughly epic from start to finish!

Next up; inFamous, even though I've got the Plat. Just old school vidya game enjoyment - no MP, no trophies.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:26:41 PM
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I'm with you Ben, this "story" has dominated EVERYTHING and it is just gnawing at my patience ten times more than waiting on PSN to be back up.

I guess, like with the Bin Laden story, if you have something embarrassing to let out now is the time because nobody would notice. Xbox could raise it's Live cost, burn down a few more houses, kill a hooker, and ban every console and it wouldn't even make the news through all the Sony hate.

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:19:31 AM

World this is totally off topic, thankfully imo.

I know you have a love for Tifa, so was curious if you have seen the Tifa PS3 theme? I'm not sure where I found it, but I know it's not on the psn or anything like that. Some ps3 theme website.

If you already have it, or can't find, I might be able to send it to you. It's all Tifa so I thought you might like it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:04:35 AM

No I'm not aware of it, hook a brother up!

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:15:39 PM

I'm noticing PSX is showing Tifa a lot of love. I just changed my avatar to a Tifa cosplay thingy.

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:52:31 PM

I have the red one, have never tried the other, but just click "more" under each pic to go to download page.

I just put them on usb then transfer to ps3 under themes, it's faster.


http://www.ps3-themes.com/?s=tifa

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Fane1024
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 4:23:37 AM

A while back, I was going to tell World about a Tika cosplay pictorial I saw but decided the content was inappropriate for this site.

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Culoslap
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:27:55 PM
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I can't wait for the last horse to leave the barn on this issue. Even when the PSN comes back up, I won't have time to play.

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thj_1980
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:45:55 PM
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My guess is PSN will come back on Monday a week after Japan's PSN return. Or tomorrow since they said PSN should return some time this week hope it's tomorrow.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:14:25 AM

psn japan is still down i believe. that news just came from people who had nothing else to do.

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Highlander
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:50:32 PM
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One aspect of this story that is seldom mentioned or reported among all the schadenfreude aimed at Sony. When the hackers attack Sony, they talk about attacking Sony as if it is this singular evil entity that tramples on hackers. Forgetting for a moment the issues of legality surrounding hackers of all kinds, let's just think about how this has all gone down. How many trillions of hateful scathing words have been written about the evil Sony, and how it needs to go down or be brought to it's knees or destroyed?

Alright, but ever last one of these people forgets something. Sony is not one singular entity, it's hundreds of thousands of people livelihoods, it's the people that work for Sony, their families and friends, the suppliers Sony relies on, their distribution partners. literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs are dependent on Sony as an employer. Not to mention the consumers that are the public collateral damage in all of this.

So we have a very small group of very annoying people who think that they can do whatever they like walking over hundreds of thousands of others. Who could I be talkig about? On many sites, that would be Sony. No, it's the hackers, a tiny number of people too clever to see the harm they are doing. They are choosing what laws to obey or ignore, and they are harming many, many people and consumers with their actions.

Ironically, that is what they claim to be fighting against.

Either way, in all the hatred aimed at Sony, and the anger, no one ever stops to think about all the regular working folks that depend on their job who could be very negatively affected by all of this. It's not just video games and hackers with delusions of grandure. It's real life for a great many people who are now very squarely in the target zone. If Sony suffers significant loss from all of this, they will have to shed jobs to regroup and recover. Who's fault will that be?

Yep, the criminals and cyber-terrorists behind all of this, that's who. It's time people started actually thinking about this instead of reacting. I agree with Ben, but in defense of all those people employed by Sony and their partners who could be harmed by this, I can't let it go.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:01:39 AM

YES! I was waiting for some one on this site to have a good reason tO use "schadenfreude". LOL! Funny word.

Sorry, I had a glass of red wine with my dinner. ;)

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DazeOfWar
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:34:06 AM

Well said Highlander. Many people don't even think about this.

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johnld
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:16:05 AM

what i hate is these idiot commenter on many sites talking about the hack like they knew everything about it. they believe its basically like sony left the key on the door and all hackers did is turn the key and open the door and nothing else.

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DazeOfWar
Friday, May 06, 2011 @ 11:54:20 PM
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I love it. I can't say how much I am glad to have found this site back when I did. It's nice to see you say what a lot of us our thinking. This is journalism at its best. Thanks Ben.

As for the downtime I have actually put time into games I have been wanting to play for quite some time. I'm actually not getting overwhelmed by wanting to always buy new stuff from PSN. I'm pretty excited as I am getting pretty close to earning the platinum for Borderlands.

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DazeOfWar
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:00:22 AM

I also forgot about the annoyance of people constantly saying they are done with Sony and trading in their PS3s. I was at Gamestop today and I asked the manger if they have had any PS3s traded in and she said "Nope."

I know that it's only the one store but I bet there hasn't been a lot like people say.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:46:13 PM

What's the point of trading in your ps3 to then buy it again for Uncharted 3?

This is why no one takes gamers seriously and mock them.

I'm a bit ashamed to even be mentioned in the same breath as most of today's gamers.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:27:55 PM

I try to play with old school gamers who act mature about matters like this, everything works out and we have a good time playing online and offline games.

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tornado03
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:07:44 AM
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I'm with you as well Mr. Ben. I think they should stop making broken promises and take the rest of May to get there affairs in order because all this rushing is going to make them miss something. Catch 22 though. If they wait to long with the network down then consumers will question Sony as an unstable company and might not trust them or possibly invest their business,money,and other legal ties somewhere else.

Another thing when ever the government truly wants something they get it! In other words Big Brother is always watching. They know who hacked Sony! they monitoring them right now they just want the big fish. They let us know what they want us to know. FBI,Home Security-they know how to do there job well and on the DL. The hackers didn't steal anything they just wanted to prove to Sony that they could. "Complicated system" please you created it! Please stop playing arrest those who's guilty and turn the psn back on already. I'm praying for quick justice and praying for restoration of psn and restoration for Sony as a whole. Jealousy, envy, strife, wicked attacks,lies Sony's had a enough.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:19:48 AM
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This is seriously how I'm feeling exactly. I'm not that big of an online gamer to begin with and I for one have had a great deal of respect at how Sony have handled things and want them to continue to do things right. I don't need to endlessly here specaclation of is this the end for sony, etc and such bs.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:29:40 AM
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Infamous 2, White Knight 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, The Journey, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian down the road.

I'm set :)

360 has nothing coming out for it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:41:29 AM
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I knew a lot of you felt the same way I did. :)

For the record, I won't be making a habit of rants. But I could think of nothing else to write tonight. ...I think the PSN crap is destroying my creativity or something.

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Highlander
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:08:05 AM

Indeed. It's a subject that has made my blood boil trying to read tech news over the last few weeks, and that's not even counting how annoyed I get that supposedly technical people write some of the worst technical analysis I've ever read...on the other hand, PSN will be back soon, i the meantime I have a teenage son who is a pain in the...and a PSP with Valkyria Chronicles 2. I'm busy.

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Fane1024
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:27:57 AM

Ben,

As far as I'm concerned, you can henceforth use the PS Blog as your sole source for information on this topic.

I'd hate for you to suffer unnecessarily for our benefit.

:D

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FM23
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:00:26 AM
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Yeah...this PSN thing is overblown and now everyone who owns an Xbox and is a fanboy can finally feel happy to own one I guess. It's crazy that losers pack the internet just to bash this PSN issue...people really need lives and need to stop being loyal to material names. Xbox isn't paying your bill and Sony isn't kidnapping your children. Seriously, its gaming and nothing more. But to some, this issue goes beyond their livehood. Much like irritating sport fans who think their team or favorite player is better than yours and needs to bash everything every other team/player is doing wrong to stregthen their best team/player argument. Close minded people=headache

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main_event05
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:24:23 AM

They have to justify their purchase i guess. Although I can't speak cause I think I've crossed over into fanboy territory, but I'm not rabid.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:32:19 AM

We're all waiting for you back in real gamer territory. The door's always open and we'll leave the light on.

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kraygen
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:15:30 AM
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I actually feel sorry for you Ben, it's your job to pay attention to gaming news so you have to be bombarded with this crap nonstop.

I have been trying to pretty much shut out the outside world because I'm sick of all the stupid lies surrounding the psn.

I swear some of these "journalist" just heard from a friend that psn was hacked and without any other information wrote some six paragraph story about how Sony had no security and every ones info was stolen without any effort and all this nonsense.

Makes me want to hit someone, thankfully I have sports champions and can play the gladiator games until my arms feel like falling off.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:25:58 AM

Uh, I think he can handle it. It's not that serious, is it?

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dante_zero
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:04:03 AM
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2 more platty and about another 200 trophys to sync up when psn is back up. I'm still good for game. At least with the money i'm not spending on the psn store like i usually do i've be picking up alot of pre-owned games of late.
Hust finally got and started playing Marvel Ultimate alliance 2. I'm loving that game.

With regards to the network i'm happy for it too be back when it's secure but i agree with alot of people on here that the constant Sony bashing and bittersness that i've seen on the net over the last couple of weeks and the recycled news storys are getting bothersome. So much so that like ben said it can be quite hard to find good reads on new games,annoucement and just general industry stuff.

i just hope that when PSN comes back on we can all get back to some sort of normality and news sites can get back to reporting on the things that matter to gamers. the GAMES!!!!

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BikerSaint
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:19:36 AM
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Sony, you take whatever time you need to take.

I'll still be here when you get back

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D1g1tal5torm
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:47:16 AM
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no psn = no formula gt for gt5.

I need to hit the online collectors to get this car.

Have been waiting quite a while now. Gettin bored.....have resorted to b spec. aargh!

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:33:28 PM

I need to work on my B-spec on GT5, I'm level 25/26 on A-spec. But I don't have a PS3 right now and money is tight, I'm hoping I can get enough money to get one I have a ton of games I need to platinum, but my bro won't let me use his because he is very selfish and doesn't know how to share. :/ You have to love siblings.

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Mog
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 4:43:40 AM
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I learn't about 5 new words reading this article. Though I know exactly what you mean. The psn is down so people should just get over it and make some effort to act civilised rather than acting like their right to 'freedom of speech' has been taken.

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___________
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:03:25 AM
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its looking like it wont be up for a while.
it was suppose to come up today apparently but theres a 3rd attack which started this morning and that has delayed it while sony assess the damage and get everything back in order.
god dam it i want my RFA demo!
i swear to god if PSNs still down when the DNF demo releases the worlds going to end!

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RadioHeader
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:39:13 AM

______________'s gonna fire his LAZORRRRR!

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Douchebaguette
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:00:51 AM
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http://www.splitreason.com/blog/?p=3728



^ To find some comedy from the situation.


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kingjose
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:03:36 AM
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That's why I only get one player games cause if this happens who cares cause all.my games are one player. Hopefully sony does a better job instead of turning a blind eye. Think about this if every psn member spends $1 a day that's 70 million a day y is it that the security is so easy to crack it should be like a bank or the government type of security all types of firewall but no all they want is are money if they expect me to just enter my new debt card and forget what happend they got another thing coming and what about when they come out with the new console come on sony step it up if we can cough up the money for ur system then cough up the money to beef up security

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:30:32 PM

Hehe!
So, you do not buy online games in case it would happen to be unplayable for a period of two weeks sometime during the coming years?

Why did you buy a playstation? Did you never think of what will happen if electricity get cut!!! It will render then playstation completely dead!

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:33:21 PM

"who cares cause all.my games are one player."

I love that people don't even try to hide their narcissism any more

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:11:39 PM

Hehe :)

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 8:28:23 PM

@kingjose

It doesn't matter what kind of security you have, it will be bypassed one way or another. Especially a very dedicated and skilled hacker.

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:10:14 AM
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As much as I want the PSN online, I can't say it's really affecting me, i'm just greatful I have so many PSP games to play, Though recently I did something I have never done, Complete FFX fully, I finally beat all the Dark Aeons and Penance :D, Now I can play through the story again without my mastersave being incomplete.

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Mog
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:56:42 AM

ALL THE DARK AEONS!? I accidently ran into dark bahumut once and the result of that battle made me lose hope of ever beating them.

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zork
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:36:38 AM
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Make a penutbutter and marshmello fluff sandwich Ben, and put tv land on and watch some threes company.

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VampDeLeon
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 8:57:02 AM
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While I'm patiently waiting for PSN to come back up, I unplugged my PS3 from the TV and hooked back up the PS2 to replay those great titles (MGS, PoP, Jak, Killzone, and SotC how I missed you so). And just for laughs/nostalgia even dug my original Playstation for all those Final Fantasies and Parasite Eve (I like watching the startup screen for it). This week it's been a bit of a routine to check up on the online status then hop off to go play some Triple Triad.

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Cole
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 9:16:02 AM
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If anything, this whole situation just proves how ridiculously dependant gamers are on multiplayer these days..

Our consoles still work.. our games still work..and yet people are complaining that they have nothing to play..

Then there's the annoying sense of entitlement... I've never seen such a large group of people insist on getting something for nothing.

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:11:54 PM

Now there's a statement I'm starting to get tired of reading. The "psn is free so stfu"-kind of statements.

It's time we climb down from that pink coloured sky. Online connectivity is an essential part of game systems of today, it is a requirement, it is part of what we pay for when we buy the hardware and games for it.

This is not Sony being Santa Claus handing out network services for all just cause they love us so and think it's jolly fun to host server parks.
PSN is there because of the calculations of large corporation whose goal is to sell as many units as possible at the highest profit possible, earning as much money for the share holders as possible. We all pay for psn just like we pay the salary for a whole bunch of people working for Sony. Same thing.

So essentially, right now a part of the playstation 3 product is defect. It matters more to some than to others, but that's beside the point.


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Cole
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:45:36 PM

When exactly did online play become a requirement? It's just a feature, nothing more, nothing less.

Last time I checked PSN was free. Unless you can provide some actual proof that Sony directly charges us for the service...?

Of course Sony aren't providing the service out of the goodness of their hearts. Everyone knows that. There's plenty of profits to be made via online distribution and networks.This outage is hurting them a lot more than us.

But the bottom line is, unless you are a PS+ or MMO subscriber, Sony doesn't technically owe you anything.

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:03:19 PM

It's a feature, yes, but an important one! It is not a "bonus", it is an essential part of a game system. A requirement for many gamers, they would not buy a console without it. Don't you understand?

And yes, of course it is us who pay for psn. Who else? Who do you think pay for it? What money is being used here? And where did that money come from? Is it founded by the japanese authority? A rich uncle in the US?

When you see an offer in a shop, "free coke if you buy three cookies", is the coke really free?

Hey! I'll give you a CAR for free! Just buy this house from me and you got it! For FREE!

Here in Norway it is even forbidden by law to call anything "free" if there is a requirement to buy something in order to get it.

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:04:34 PM

... Just for the sake of clarity: I am not of the opinion that Sony owe us anything for these two(?) weeks, that's not my point.

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Cole
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 2:04:07 AM

Perceived value.. That's what this comes down to. And it's entirely subjective. As you stated, many gamers see multiplayer as a must, but many see it as completely irrelevant as well. It's value lies solely in th eyes of the beholder. As they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

In case you didn't know.. Sony transfers a lot of PSN's maintenance cost directly onto developers and third parties. Devs are required to host and maintain their own servers. In addition , Sony charges them for any items that they want to distribute via PSN. Same goes for all the non game related content. Third parties have to pay Sony for this as well.

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Beamboom
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 9:16:48 AM

Yes I know about the licencing but that is ironically my entire point :D
When we buy a game, no matter who published it, a share of what you pay goes to Sony, exactly for these kind of things. So, by buying the games, we pay for PSN as well as other things, in *addition* to the development of the game.

As opposed to for instance games for PC. Have you ever noticed the huge price difference for the same game for PC vs consoles? Right there you have it, that's how you pay for PSN no matter if you use it or not.
It's all a matter of pricing policy, really.

(ps; thanks for replying with well argued points of view. To stay on topic is an artform in itself ;) )

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sirbob6
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 10:44:21 AM
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Well I have taken this time to play FF X-2. I also have 3D Dot Hero ready in case this downage last a while longer.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 11:11:25 AM
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i just got off the phone with sony and they said there has been no delay on the eta despite what the psn blog said. the eta of services being restored is still within a week of that press conference. at least that's what i was told.

i said that's good news so i should expect psn back on tommorow, and sony said yes. do i believe them? i want to, but i don't. maybe they will surprise me, though. we are overdue for some good news.

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Robochic
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 11:57:08 AM
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Nice article Ben.
I really want to see Thor, and the Green Latern cant' wait :)

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PANICinc
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:12:53 PM
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Completely 100% agree with you Ben. As a GameStop Employee I am sick of all the Xbots talkin trash, misinformed people making outrageous claims and downright ignorant gamers.
Had a guy trade in his PS3 to get a 360 cause he "heard" Obama (yes, the US President) had his credit card stolen from the PSN.
Ridiculous! I just started giving people the Web address for the Sony Blog updates and told them anything else they read is simply Slander.
It's all just become so annoying, even on this site.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:36:39 PM

obama's fualt? ha, that's one i haven't heard. i was at gamestop last sat and saw some guy trade in his ps3 for an xbox. when he got his 360 in his hands he started jumping around like a little kid. he looked like he was over 40. i just rolled my eyes, and thought wtf.

i don't know why he traded in his ps3 plus 11 games. he must have been a hardcore online gaming addict or something. i have no doubt that maybe some are getting rid of their ps3's, but i think that's a pretty knee jerk reaction.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:31:22 PM

He didn't say it was Obama fault. Read more carefully next time.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:07:39 PM

let's see. he traded in his ps3 becuase he "heard" obama had his credit card info stolen thus implying it's obama's fualt. don't know what i misread there.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 3:31:24 PM

Are you kidding me? Is English not your first language? In no way does that imply it was Obama's fault. It's no ones fault but the one who chose to get rid of his PS3 out of fear. Just because one heard that another person's CC info was stolen and decided to trade his PS3, it doesn't mean that the person who was a victim of theft is to blame for the others irrational fear and knee jerk reaction.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:13:34 PM

sigh...he traded in his ps3 becuase he heard obama had his cc info stolen. that's what the sentence says so i'll just leave it at that. pretty dumb thing to do, regardless. gamestop doesn't give very much on trade ins. he'll regret it when infamous 2 comes out.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 8:52:00 PM

obama only owns a Wii.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 9:17:47 AM

@jawk

i can read can you? goo goo. some people are too serious, and act strange.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 12:53:52 PM
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And this is enough proof to the notion that most gamers are a bunch of immature people with equally immature and unprofessional journalists.

Sorry Ben, I do acknowledge professional journalists like yourself but most are an embarrassment to the word "journalism"

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 1:35:16 PM

+1

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Minishmaru
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:07:20 PM
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Jesus christ people get a grip! Is the world gonna end cuz you can't hop onto the PSN? I'm sure you have other things you can be doing.

For the love of god look at your significant other and appreciate them for the mere fact they are tolerating you for yelling at them about the PSN still being down. I haven't stopped reading gaming relating things online in so long that all I see is "PSN still down, wah wah wah" with people commenting "I'm going to the more reliable American made console, xbox never has this problem, I'm not gonna buy anything from the PSN unless its back up now!"

Ok fine how about if they do bring it up NOW and what happens? They get this all over again, the next thing will be "Sony should've spent more time on it,way to rush it Sony!" Sony would rather be bashed on about how long it takes for them to put something they are not 100% assure of being ready than to have to do it again because they did a rushed job!

I've never skipped over sooo many articles and comments in all of my web surfing days until now.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:27:35 PM

No one is complaining except for a few, I'm well aware that it's not the end of the world I have a very high tolerance for things and I'm very patient with matters like this.

The way you put it seems like everyone on this site is complaining.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:28:55 PM

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Jesus Christ has nothing to do with this.

Also, why don't you climb down off your soapbox and read your own comment. The only one doing any whining seems to be you.

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Minishmaru
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:42:58 PM

I'm not saying that only the people on PSX are doing it. I'm supporting what Ben is saying, and i'm talking about how many people on different sites are complaining about it and how tired I am of the same complaints. Across the many gaming websites online.

Also, I know Jesus Christ has nothing to do with this. Moron

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Kingharris
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 2:53:31 PM
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loloolololololololol xbox rules.

No, but seriously, im genuinly getting bored now.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 5:06:12 PM
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i've researched this a lot, and i keep running accross stories that sony did not even have a firewall installed on psn. some in the comments have suggested that's not true, but i can't find any info that says psn did have one. just a ton of headlines about sony not having the the latest security updates for apache and no basic firewall.

those headlines came out of that hearing in congress. are people saying that what the security expert testified to is wrong? if he's wrong that seems like a pretty big deal to me. pretty much slander against sony.

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Jawknee
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 6:54:18 PM

Any computer you buy at the store has firewalls pre-installed. Firewalls are pretty much standard these days. There is nothing that is connected to the internet that doesn't have some kind of firewall in place. Stop regurgitating the BS you're reading from biased, hack, no nothing websites. Sony had firewalls. The hackers found an exploit an used it. Firewalls are not the be all end all of internet security. Even with firewalls, nothing is 100% safe. These tech and gaming sites have an axe to grind and are writing these sensationalists headlines to get people like you to click on them.

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Lairfan
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:17:28 PM

While I don't think Jawknee should have responded to you as harshly as he did, he's right Excelsior. If the PSN didn't release with a firewall it would have been hacked on day one, no question about it. Whatever you're reading is wrong, plain and simple.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:19:31 PM

so that guy was lying and every website in the world is after sony? i will admit there is a tendency to beat down sony, but those sites just reported what the so called expert said. i did not see the hearing. i only read what the reports said coming out of it. i will watch the situation closely, and if it turns out those headlines were wrong that would change my opinion on the matter.

i just hope everything goes smoothly on the psn rollout and sony gets everything back on track soon. i'm used to jawk's rudeness by now.

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Fane1024
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 4:35:29 AM

As I understand it, the so-called expert was drawing a conclusion from second- and third-hand information. It was not a statement of fact. Also, people have identified a possible ulterior motive for the expert to spin the situation.


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Beamboom
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 9:02:58 AM

I'd just like to add that it's not exactly right that all computers/operating systems have an integrated firewall installed and enabled by default. Most *consumer* pcs do, but that's not the kind of machines PSN is build on.
To my knowledge no Linux distro has any firewalls turned on by default, simply cause usually firewalls are operating at least one level before the computer on the network (it's a typical router job). It's the least ideal solution to have the firewall running on the same machine it is supposed to shield. That is, to put it bluntly, a "windows solution".

The job of a firewall is (simplified) to only let legit traffic through and deny the rest.
But a hackers attempts is usually "legit" from a firewalls point of view cause a lot of traffic is supposed to pass through, it's a service provider after all (as opposed to a personal computer who usually is not supposed to serve anything at all).

So it's too simple to claim that "no firewall equals getting hacked on day one". You can have a system with high security without a firewall, just as you can have no security at all with a running firewall. It's all a matter of the quality of the configuration and the software, and this is why there are experts for hire on these kind of jobs. :)


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Highlander
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:10:17 PM

Excelsior, you may have researched this a lot, but I have worked it, a lot. When you build a large distributed system with application servers that host millions of transactions a day, you do not build a single software stack on one server for everything. You just do not.

You build a strong perimeter with firewalls and monitoring systems to detect unusual activity, you build an authentication system that works with the perimeter to govern who gets in and what they have access to. You build the other elements of the system on their own dedicated servers. You potentially segment the internal servers on their own networks with firewalls in place between them to protect them, but more likely is that you simply use secure communication protocols and secure shell sessions to access the systems.

The reason that you don't load up every system with a firewall is the load on that system. These aren't consumer PCs or other general purpose systems with multiple tasks to perform, they are specialist high performance application and database servers. You build the secure network to host/protect the secure application servers. You layer on ether security such as secure shell communications, data encryption in your database, disc level encryption on the hardware, password hashing and monitoring, but the primary defense is that perimeter.

I'm sorry, but the criticisms of Dr Spafford about there not being firewalls on the database servers make great sound bytes but carry no technical merit at all. Whether you put a software firewall on a database application or web application server depends entirely on your overall security architecture. There are times when I could see someone doing it, especially on a smaller network. But it depends on the architecture.

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Lairfan
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:15:21 PM
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I agree fully with you Ben, and sadly I think the response to this debacle is going to set back the perceived maturity level of gamers by other people by a couple of years. And even if it doesn't do that, its definitely gonna set back gaming journalists' credibilities in the eyes of other journalists, seeing as how most of them are taking such an unprofessional attitude about it.

Truly though, I think this exposes a far bigger problem in our overall culture than it does in just the video gaming public. How the hell did we get to the point where we can't wait a couple weeks for better things (in this case, security)? How the hell did we get to the point where instant gratification is valued more than patience? And how the hell did we get to the point where, if we don't have our technology, suddenly we can't function anymore? I'm just saddened by what I perceive to be the depravities of our modern culture, and its displayed in no better place than this PSN problem.

I just hope we wake up to the fact that our culture's on a path to a bad place soon. Otherwise, issues like this will provoke far worse responses in the future.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 7:44:50 PM

i keep playing out different scenarios in my head. what if people lost their basic internet service, cell phone. or cable for a couple of weeks due to events beyond their control? it's only natural people would get upset and ask questions.

gamers tend to be pretty passionate about their hobby. that's not always a bad thing. ofcourse they miss an important feature of their console when it's gone. the websites are just reflecting a lot of the frusrtation felt by gamers. yes, they have beaten it to the ground, but it's a hot topic.

the comments in the psn blog are pretty outrageous at times. what's surprising about that is those are psn account holders going crazy. there are a lot more online gaming addicts out there than i thought.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 9:29:16 PM
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99% of these people crying the blues need to get real, a serious grip on themselves.
For all those whiners, this is nothing more than a minor inconvenience to you & at least you still have a PS3 to play on.


Just try having 127 BluRay games, & a completely dead smashed-up PS3, through no fault of your own.

Plus, without money to buy another one anytime in the foreseeable either now, due to me being let go as a blackjack dealer today, after 21 f*cking years of loyal service.
And just because new owners took over & did a second 10% head-chop today so they could further pad their already exorbitant million dollar+ yearly bonuses.

So now I've got to wait for my unemployment to kick in, which still won't be enough for me to afford another PS3.

So as I see it, none of the constant whiners have anything even remotely qualified to frigging b*tch about.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 9:57:57 PM

@bikersaint

that's just horrible news. my heart goes out to you. you would think 21 yrs of service would give you senority.

what happened to your ps3 is terrible as well. it did have insurance on it so imagine you will eventually get it replaced.

try to keep your head up. things will get better.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, May 07, 2011 @ 10:26:46 PM

That sucks Biker, sorry to hear that. :/ Hopefully everything gets better for you and you are able to get a PS3.

If I had the money I would buy one for you, but money is tight on my end. =(

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Fane1024
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 4:44:30 AM

Bummer, Saint; I thought you had dodged that bullet.

I also just got "down-sized", after 12 years, despite running a profitable division. The really obnoxious part is they must have spent more remodelling my office (twice!) than they would have spent buying new computers, which was their excuse for closing our division.

My ex-boss is a moron.

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Kagamin
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 8:14:14 AM
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I'm not even missing psn that much....I have a lot of psp games in my backlog to play right now. Just finished Trails in the Sky, awesome turn-based rpg I really recommend it, and now I'm back to Ys Oath in Felghana.
I just want psn back so people can finally move on and talk about something else.

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 5:24:08 PM

I may try that. Thought of picking that one up a few times actually.

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DeathOfChaos
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 5:23:14 PM
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I think all the REAL gamers are unaffected. I could care less about getting online and playing a game. The only annoyance I have is that I had just got Mortal Kombat like 2 or 3 days after it got hacked and I have a redemption code for a special outfit that I got with it. If I would have ot the game a few days earlier and put in my redemption code it wouldn't be as much of annoyance but even so, it's a very small one, lol. It's just I could have saved a few bucks and bought a used copy and the annoyance would be absent, lol. Oh well.

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Spanky
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 4:41:39 PM
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Wrong, wrong ,wrong, wrong...err no wait i agree.

My son was a huge huge COD fan and played to the point of obsession. We agreed it was best to sell the 360 and its library and keep the PS3 in my room so he wouldn't have easy access to it. It has worked well.

I've never been a big multi-player fan. Too old to care how I stack up against some 12y/o kid who plays CoD 16 hours a day. Not my idea of fun...shrug...

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richfiles
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 2:14:48 AM
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I still couldn't care less that PSN is down. This article was pretty harsh, and pretty insulting. I have an ancient computer, and I lost my nice paying job. Now I have a job at Gamestop, and a nicer paying part time job, that combined give my enough money to get by on, and more free hours. The pay gets me by, but i can not afford a decent new computer. I had been using the PS3 as a PC, using Other OS, since it was far faster than my lame old Mac.

Sony first goes and cripples the Other OS performance. GeoHot tries to uncripple Other OS by hacking Hypervisor. Sony then STOLE my PC. I couldn't justify the expense of either a second BC PS3 or a new computer, so I had to fall back to my slow pathetic Mac, and give up my fast Linux PS3 PC.

Not all hackers are criminals. I would call myself a hacker, but I don't do the same type of illegal stuff you seem all too happy to group us into. I build robots, I've strung out my ancient Power Mac into a 2 tower monstrosity, just trying to keep up with my needs.

Sony deserves every last Dollar, Yen, and Euro of loss over their unethical asshattery. I HOPE this costs them over a billion. I've already sworn off Sony's next generation.

Wah!!! I can't play my games online cause an unethical company steals functions from products already sold, plants spyware on PCs via music CDs, sues people who try to make their stupid robot dogs better, and more or less feels free to take a big steaming dump on it's customers without hesitation.

Sony makes the best hardware in the world, but they can't give one iota of respect to their customers.

Hurray for GeoHot...
Hurray for Grafchoklo...
Hurray for Anonymous...

Screw the idiots that stole personal info... Let 'em burn...

And most of all... Screw SONY!!!

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