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Dear Nintendo: I'm Sorry But...We Must Part Ways

For a kid who grew up during the dawn of gaming and gazed upon Super Mario Bros. with fascinated awestruck eyes, this is a heartbreaking moment.

It's difficult to do. It's the end of a love affair. The end is long overdue; it has been in the making for a very long time (really, since the latter days of the N64 and the onset of the GameCube). And now, with the emergence of the Wii U, I'm afraid we must go our separate ways. I desperately tried to love Super Mario Galaxy 2. I wanted so badly to desire every Nintendo system produced since the Super Nintendo and only now do I realize I've been deluding myself; I've been living in the past.

A couple days ago, I found myself watching the unveiling of the Wii U with that old-fashioned kid-like glee, and for a while, I was saying things like, "Hmm...that's kinda cool" and, "Yeah, that definitely has potential." And I would let all my favorite mascots work their way into my head; there's my buddy Mario, who was always there for me, there's Link, who was one of the first memorable heroes, and oh yes, even Samus in her nifty hi-tech futuristic suit. She sure can move. But then the presentation ended and cold hard reality set in.

I no longer care. Truthfully, there isn't anything about Nintendo's new machine that even remotely interests me. I understand they went a different direction with the Wii and they totally lost me, but for some reason, I've always believed Nintendo would recapture me as a fan. And the bottom line is that Nintendo has clearly chosen a path...and it's a path I don't wish to follow. I've chosen another path now, and you can call me what you want; "graphic whore" or whatever. I've long since decided I want the best of the best in gaming and sadly, I don't see the Wii U having any part of the "best of the best." It's just not what the avid gamer wants, in my opinion.

Honestly, it's a completely different form of entertainment now. It isn't Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception and it isn't Gears of War 3 and it certainly isn't Heavy Rain. ...maybe I've finally grown up. But I'm sure all those hardcore Ninty fans out there would just take that as an insult, so I shouldn't say that. Trust me, I would want nothing more than to love Nintendo again. We always try to lie to ourselves and rationalize, and give ourselves a hundred different reason to return to our first love. But sooner or later, you have to understand you've grown apart.

'sniff' Goodbye, Nintendo. You'll always have a place in the form of the SNES in my bedroom. But that'll have to be good enough.

6/10/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (134 posts)

thj_1980
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:49:32 PM
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awe nintendo no more for you??



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manofchao5
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 9:37:53 PM

i never had the opportunity of owning a n64 which i hear many things about but imho, the nes and snes were the best, i play em both more than i have ever played the wii sitting in the house

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PharaohJR
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:57:27 PM
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LOL i dunno if its cause my herbal medicine but this post made me lol while reading.

ahhh yes... nintendo the 1st vg system i held in the early 90s left me breathless & amazed in a new way as i seen the italian plumber mario eat shrooms & do unbelievable things lol.

i followed mario & nintendo to N64 & i enjoyed the systems they made in between. something happened though.... as i aged nintendo didnt age with me..

i love nintendo all the way to N64. after n64 they just did something i dunno its hard to explain... i play systems damn near all genre of games & graphics isnt my focus its THE FUN in every game offered & nintendo i dunno is on some other delivery that no longer captures me... i would rather load up the old nintendo & super & n64 & have fun like i would with PS3 today.

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mindmurderer69
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:27:15 AM

the awkward controller on the 64 did it for me and the few good games.

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PharaohJR
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:29:02 PM

i remember when i was playing N64 the 1st time i used the controller i sat there thinking WTF is this lol. it took me along time to get adjusted to it.

when gamecube released i tried to accept the controller but i just gave up.

when wii released i said ight koo.. motion sensing but the graphics didnt improve from gamecube to me. then playing VG 2am & acting like im 7 years old i couldnt do it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:58:34 PM
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I had to let them go with the Gamecube, the Wii just solidified that position. And this new thing, I wonder if it will succeed. It is an interesting attempt to remain "different" while introducing a new gimmick. And now they will be able to offer hardcore multiplat titles as well (Though I'll be upset if development for Wii U slows things down).

In any case it should prove entertaining to watch this system sink or swim. I just don't know if people can acclimate to that giant controller no matter what it does. Look at Kinect though, gimmicks DO fool the masses.

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sticklife
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:02:59 PM

Haha no kidding.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:40:06 PM

I hear you World. I feel the same as Ben. You know I wonder if Nintendo should instead go the route of their former old time competition, SEGA. It might be time for Nintendo if you ask me. I think they'd do good as a game developer/publisher company. Plus, it'd be a good way to keep their well known franchises alive.

I would really hope that Nintendo would consider doing this before they considered hanging up shop for good. 2012 and onward is going to be interesting.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:48:46 PM

Well Shadow, if this new Wii fails and it might if people don't take to the tech, then I really hope they do software. I'd love to see their top tier franchises like Zelda show up on the PS4.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:01:04 PM

Nintendo said that they would rather go out of business than to ever make games for other's console.

This was also proven by the Sony-Nintendo relationship after SNES. Sony wanted to make a console with Nintendo but Sony wanted more control (or share it) with Nintendo. This is how Sony just went their own way and made ps1.

But seriously, I don't see Nintendo ever making games for other's consoles.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:21:26 AM

Scarecrow,

Nintendo broke the deal with Sony and went to Phillips for the CD-ROM element to their system - SNES-CD. Nintendo wanted to freeze Sony out of anything to do with the games. Essentially Nintendo only wanted Sony to supply the CD mechanism. Sony on the other hand had developed the entire SNES-CD add-on, it was essentially a stand alone console (developed by Sony) that attached to the SNES. Nintendo figured out (*after* signing the contracts and working with Sony for some time on the project) that Sony's lawyers wrote the contract in Sony's favor - unsurprising perhaps since Sony were creating the SNES-CD for Nintendo - Sony wanted Game revenue, and Nintendo didn't want to give any up. Nintendo broke the deal, Sony reacted by appointing Ken Kuturagi to work on their own console, and he later formed SCE with other Sony executives and established the PlayStation brand. It's interesting that Nintendo were the ones that broke the deal, yet your own synopsis portrays it as Sony's fault. I wouldn't say Sony were entirely innocent, but Nintendo did sign the deal with Sony, so they accepted the terms that they later rejected - breaking the deal.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:38:39 AM

I'm sure Ninty has tons of cash from Wii, but for arguments sake it's easy to make statements to the effect of rather going out of business than making software but it's a whole other matter when you are actually facing bankruptcy.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:36:42 AM

Scarecrow, the true facts are exactly as Highlander just said.

Plus, Nintendo even went as far as doing asneakily abrupt blindsiding of Sony at their supposed-to-be joint announcement proceedings at the 1991 Consumers Electronics Show, when Nintendo suddenly announced they were going with Phillips instead of Sony, disregarding all the work Sony had already done to put out the SNES-CD unit.

And as Highlander already stated, that's when Sony decide to make their own gaming console, & the rest is history as the PS1 was born.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:37:18 AM

It'd be a shame if Nintendo really went out of business and ended it all without considering the option of becoming a software company. Heck, I can respect Sega because they showed some humility when the failed as a gaming console hardware provider when and started to develop games. We got some good ones from them too. Of course, Sony did influence some of that.

I'm by no means saying Nintendo is going to fail but as some of us here are saying, the new Nintendo console isn't really going to take us away from what Sony is offering. Sony is comprised of real gamers and I think that this is one of the reasons they truly get the industry. I don't know that I'll ever turn my back on Sony.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:39:49 AM

@ Highlander

How is it that you always have sound information no matter what the topic when it concerns gaming amongst other topics?

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:07:35 AM

It's a combination of age (I've seen most of it happen), ADD (I truly am ADD, but I love video games and remember pretty much anything to do with the subject that I read and lastly, one of the things I do the most in my current work is to find and evaluate information quickly - I am an analyst, and although video games are not an area of professional interest, they are an area of personal interest.

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:25:45 AM

Very cool.

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BTNwarrior
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:06:54 AM

Even if the wii u happened to fail, nintendo would still be raking in enough cash from whatever ds variant they happen to be selling to stay afloat

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sticklife
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:01:07 PM
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=( I think I'm starting to feel the same way about pokemon games. I'm sad because for a very long time pokemon, metal gear and ape escape have been my favorite games. But now I can't even finish black version.

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Temjin001
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:04:13 PM
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I'm intrigued by the Wii U. While I have a bucket load of reasons to doubt it'll be able to fully measure up to my expectations, it has at least a shimmer of potential compared to what the Wii had. Which was, simply put, the least played gaming console I ever purchased.

I don't want to close any doors to Nintendo's potential future, but Nintendo will have to compel me to walk through any door that they may open.

Seeing that Wii U isn't out until... what, late next year? I suspect either Sony or MS will squash any excitement for the Wii U by eluding to what their horizon has waiting in store for their customers.

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:11:06 PM
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Nintendon't there, Ben?

I'm kind of liking the new controller, but I have yet to see what the console itself will actually do & look like(that mock-up or something different???).

But what I Nintendon't like is that you'll only be able to use "1" Wii-U controller with it, as the Nintendont's new console can't power up 2 Wii-U's at the same time, plus they don't plan to remedy that huge fault in the future either.
And because of that, you can't buy a Wii-U controller separately from the console either.
Oh, and the fact that I didn't see any games I really wanted either.

But since I will need one for my gaming collection, I'll wait a few years after it's come out & buy a used one just like I did last year with my black Wii.

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Sol
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:13:37 PM
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Well, when you grow up, the consoles grow with you. As a gamer and a consumer, you know what you like. That's what's important. I still have my Sega Gen and Gamegear, along with my early Nintendos for that very reason. Though I do enjoy the Wii U's concept and find it interesting, it doesn't make it high up on my gaming priority list.

I'll get one, but it's further back than the 360 is.

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Temjin001
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:07:32 PM

That's the thing with Nintendo. Identity. Nintendo's identity in the market is approachable family fun. They've gone on record saying in the past that people don't care about things like "story and graphics" in video games. Re-enforcing their pedigree for the "fun" in conventional game design.
Nintendo won't change this identity anytime soon as that's who they are in the market. They won't "grow" into something different, like we do. Because they have that market cornered and to leave it is to die. It's exactly why they're fearful of Apple's looming presence. but that's a different topic.

Sony on the other hand does make an effort to offer premium hardware and software in all of their business avenues. That's their DNA and history of their existence. It's always been their M.O. to innovate new technologies, shape consumer trends, and bring home software experiences that demonstrate the fruit of their efforts.

We know what to expect from both Nintendo and Sony....

Now it's time for me to attack MS.. yeah, we knew it was coming.

MS enters the market playing a set of cards to appeal to the dedicated older Sony gamer. Promising the most power, and most ground breaking experiences. Their identity wasn't all that dissimilar to Sega's bad boy attitude from the 80's-90's. BUt seeing that this market wasn't as profitable as they thought, and they weren't in a position to facilitate their own hardware standards, they had to think up of another way to grow their business.

Their new plan, stream line their offerings by foregoing the identity of hardcore power and cutting edge experiences and instead put on the image of popular culture sensible fun to just "jump in." The success with Xbox LIVE was their cash cow, and still is, a coveted service of they're protecting. They are now scrambling to broaden the "value" of Live before a paradigm shift in the hardware market happens that could potentially draw away a massive amount of subscribers, and never return. Basically, what I'm saying is MS's identity is trying to congele. They haven't found their "zone" yet and here they are trying to tap into another market with KINECT and try to centralize themselves of the Walmart of consumer media entertainment. Anyway, I'm done. Sorry, I know. I can be intense =p

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Nas Is Like
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:16:36 PM
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It's actually quite the opposite for me. I didn't really care for Nintendo at all, but I knew they had some great games that I was a fan of. Now that I've seen some of the amazing things the Wii U can do, I'm thinking of buying one when it comes out. It really blew me away and drew me in as a potential fan.

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Fabi
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:41:28 PM

Nas is like... sex to a nympho.

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Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:38:46 PM
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You know, I still respect Nintendo as a games company, although I do think that they have relied on the same four franchises for nearly 30 years, and you know, it's time for a change.

Anyway, I completely parted ways and lost respect for them this year. Their E3 presentation was a complete sham.

Perhaps it's harsh, but with respect to WiiU, this is where I stand. Nintendo didn't show the actual console because they don't have a console to show. It's the emperor's new clothes all over again. They didn't have 3rd party video of *anything* running on WiiU hardware. Even their own Zelda stuff was little more than tech demos, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn it was running on a Wii in 720 mode and then scaled up.

They showed the controller because it's easier to mock up, but it only ran two tech demos, neither of which will be future games, so in essence Nintendo showed *nothing*. It was actually a masterful performance because they fooled much of the gaming media and nearly all the Nintendo fanbase into thinking they were seeing something that literally was not there. The 3rd party game footage was PS3 and 360 sourced, and their own stuff wasn't run live and could have been pre-rendered on a test rig, or a development Wii.

Even their biggest games for the 3DS were simply ports of N64 games.

Nintendo showed *nothing* and people lauded them for it.

That emperor is naked you know, bare, running around in the buff, unclothed. It is a nude emperor.

Nintendo you can fool me no more.

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shadowscorpio
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:45:00 PM

You bring up a good point. Like you said, they survived 30 years on the same franchises. If that's not a company fooling people, I don't know what is.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:52:04 PM

It isn't unheard of to show something made up, show no games, and simply offer up a mock-up video that shows what the tech should capable of. Does any of that sound familiar?

hint... Kinect.

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Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:56:40 PM

@Worlds, do you not remember when I compared Kinect to the Emperor's all new wardrobe last year? Seriously, I'll call a spade a space, if Sony did this, I'd be just as vehement about it. But Nintendo outdid even Microsoft this year.

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Mog
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:10:19 PM

Zelda, Super Smash Brothers, Mario, and Pokemon.. Are those the four franchises?

Your right, it is time for a change especially in Zelda. I want to see some character development!!!! For every new game link is always the same.....as much as it hurts to say this... but he feels like a mindless puppet who simply follows orders.
Thats just the way I feel though.

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Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:39:35 PM

I was thinking Metroid rather than Pokemon, but include all five, they all illustrate the point.

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:26:23 AM

I agree with you, Highlander. It seems that Nintendo was more interested at trying to make a splash at this year's E3 with the "next big thing". After all, they did essentially create the nonsense that is motion gaming that has spread across all 3 major consoles like a plague. So people were waiting for them to "innovate" even further this year. But what they failed to do, was actually show us ANYTHING. A reel of PS3/360 footage? HD Zelda footage that probably isn't running on the Wii U? A console with very vague details? A tech demo of hide and seek to really showcase what this fancy new controller can do? Then information slowly starts to come out that the system will most likely only be able to support one tablet controller at a time. Their whole E3 show seemed sloppily put together in a rush. I don't doubt that the eventual console will be able to support games that look equally as good, if not better, than PS3 games, but I'm tired of them trying to convince everyone that they're revolutionizing gameplay with these gimmicks. They did the same thing with Wii.

The Wii was my least played console that I owned, and also one of the very few that I sold (and used the proceeds to buy a PS3, best decision ever). Wii Bowling was obviously a blast, and what got me hooked on buying the stupid thing. Outside of that, Mario Kart, Super Mario Bros New, and Mario Galaxy... things got old, and quick. Nintendo seemed more than content capturing a different kind of gamer than what I consider myself, and obviously they hope to somewhat continue that momentum with their new console. Having Wii in the title indicates they clearly want it to be known that its the orginal's successor, and being compatabile with Wii Remotes is a huge turn off for me.

The new fancy tablet they have for their controller doesn't really impress me much either. Seems gimmicky, and the fact that they showed off a game of "hide and seek" to showcase its features makes it even more clear to me that I have no business purchasing their console.

And now that its revealed that there will be only one of those controllers compatible with the Wii U it makes it even less appealing. What about all these hardcore games that they're showing off? You can't possibly play those with the Wii Remotes; so what, there is going to be a THIRD kind of controller for use with the system? Seems a bit excessive, and its a turn off to keep track of 3 different kinds of controllers to use with any given game.

Sorry Nintendo, but you lost me after Nintendo 64. And after the Wii, I don't want to fall for your tricks again.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:19:22 PM

Jimmy,

Great post, and lots of really good points you made there. As it happens I think Wii bowling was a phenomenal game that could so easily have been a product in it's own right. Sell a unit with that game and a couple of the other standards embedded in it, a single wii-mote and a price tag of under $99, and even I would buy the thing. I can talk up High velocity bowling any day, but Wii-bowling was a great party game.

You make a great point about the supposed new hardcore games they say will be on the WiiU. As you say, controlling them from the Wii-mote isn't going to satisfy, and neither is playing them from a Nintendo branded iPad with thumb circles.

I don't understand where they are going this time.

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Deleted User
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:43:47 PM
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I'm going to wait and see but some of the stuff I've been hearing is concerning. I've heard only one person can use the Wii U controller; everybody else has to use the nunchuk and remote. I would also agree that the Wii U probably will have the power of a PS3 or 360. I don't think Nintendo cares about competing with Sony or Microsoft.

Will people buy it? Well, they bought the Wii in droves during its first 4 years. Will they buy its successor? Time will tell.

All I know is that the damn thing raised more questions than answers for me.

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Scarecrow
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:06:23 PM
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I'm a huge Nintendo fan but that Wii U presentation was sad. Other than the beautiful Zelda clips (that better be a full blown game!) there wasn't anything else that was impressive.

That controller is sad...they didn't show me any reason why I should use it over a regular controller...................if my friend is playing another game or whatever I can just play on the 3DS or psV.

I don't know what they were thinking...It would have been better if they didn't even bother with that controller and showed us real games* A couple of jaw dropping (Uncharted quality) games along with that new Zelda would have been more amazing than that controller.

There's still time until the release of the Wii U but right now I would choose to buy Dark Souls, Uncharted 3, and White Knight Chronicles 2 over that...

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Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:38:35 PM

The Zelda footage was more akin to a target render than actual Alpha or even pre-alpha code.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:31:11 AM

and everyone remembers that famous "zelda" footage premiering for the GameCube. Where a few years later to everyone's E3 dismay, Nintendo unveiled everyone's happy little tunic wearing star in all of his cell shaded and Warner Brother'ish splendor.

I think FF7 fans would take it to the streets if Square Enix unveiled a cell-shaded anime stylized FF7 remake after all of these years.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:41:49 AM

Don't forget the new Zelda isn't even for the Wii U, just the regular old Wii.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:09:43 AM

yeah, skyward sword. or something. i really did try Twilight Princess, but the antiquated blocked together hallway map segments and graphics that look hideously bad on 40 inch 1080p TV's was just too much for me to swallow.

You know, Zelda is cool and all with it's simple text dialogue and warm friendly Peter Pan like aura. Like how Fisher Price toys and Legos have warm nostalgia, where I may stop and squat next to my daughter and help her build a little colorful lego fort for some mild amusement.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:47:17 PM

There's nothing wrong with cel-shaded graphics.

And if there is than Sly Cooper's in for some real trouble.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:49:05 PM

There is nothing wrong with cell shaded visuals but there is something wrong with presenting the vision of your new platform with a trailer featuring a more adult Link in more vivid detail (eluding to what's in store for us) and then two years later unveiling the much anticipated flagship Zelda game as a younger centric cell shaded game.

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PorkChopGamer
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:15:45 PM
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I adore Nintendo. When I'm not in the mood for headshots, breaking necks, blistering shootouts, I can kick back with a cold can of pop and save a princess again. My timing and skill vs. the programmers' designs. Just because I can No need for cutscenes and all that razzmatazz to give me purpose or direction. Nintendo represents the innocence and wonder that seems to be sorely lacking in most games of today. They've done it their way. And I admire that they have never turned their backs on their fans for acceptance from the 'hardcore'.

The Wii U has great potential. Power, anyone with money can do. Trying to redefine the experience of gaming, that's much harder. Thumb analog for 3D gaming, Force feedback, motion. Nintendo has set industry standards before and I have no doubt they can do it again with the Wii U.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:24:19 PM

I notice how nobody can make an argument for Nintendo without mentioning the word "innocence."

...I'll just leave it at that.

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Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:37:46 PM

How can you be so bullish, they showed *nothing*. You're working almost entirely on blind faith here. Is Nintendo going to join Apple on matters of blind faith? Are we supposed to believe them because they say it will be wonderful?

Wake me when there's actually a WiiU to show along with alpha copies of 1st party games and demonstrations of the new controller attached to a WiiU (not a Wii) and running something other than a tech demo.

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DazeOfWar
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:59:16 PM

The "hardcore" were their fans. I use to love Nintendo but they just don't do it for me anymore. I had a Wii launch day and ended up selling it 1yr later. I tried and tried to enjoy it but I just couldn't. I ended up buying another one for my daughter and she would rather play EyePet.

The Wii U is the same thing all over again but this time I can't see myself wasting money on it. All the trailers they showed weren't even for their system. By the time the thing hits the market Sony and MS will probably have the specs on their new systems.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:07:12 AM

@ Highlander

Faith is okay sometimes. You see, fancy tech stuff and specs is your thing. You can process all that. It's a little above my pay grade,though. I care only about games and if there is one thing I can trust Nintendo to do without seeing as much as a pixel, it's produce great ones.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:24:18 AM

Porkchop, it's not about the specs, as it happens the specs I've seen are pretty good and definitely more powerful then either PS3 or 360. I know that the technology can get pretty deep and over a lot of people's head quickly, that's not a problem - it's specialist knowledge after all.

But that's not my point. Nintendo didn't show anything. I'm not saying people should not believe that the console will be powerful - I think it will more powerful than either PS3 or 360. The blind faith I refer to is the fact that people are acclaiming this console as being all sorts of different things as if it was just shown to them, and actually exists. The trouble is that they (Nintendo) didn't show one, and can't because they don't have one. Nintendo don't even have early development systems or prototypes to show - if they had them, they'd have shown them.

That's what I mean about blind faith, they (Nintendo) don't have a product and yet a lot of people are lauding the WiiU as being some incredible product and the next best thing since sliced bread. The problem is that the product exists only in name and an empty casing. There is no console - yet.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:37:31 AM

Oh. I think the controller was the most important part, though. That other stuff will fall into place as it typically does, I guess. I'm just going to file it under 'Great' until Nintendo gives me a reason to change my mind. No real harm in that, right?

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:41:41 AM

I dunno, when I think of "blind faith" I think of faith without good reason to support it.

While I know Nintendo hasn't actually shown much hardware-tech-spec for the Wii U, they do have many fans who trust Nintendo to deliver the goods for legitimate reasons. So in that sense, I wouldn't call it blind, because there's nigh 30 years of experience backing them up to have "visible" faith in Nintendo's pedigree for innovation in fascinating interfaces.

Though, I won't disagree that Nintendo really seemed to have shown this thing pretty premature as it's still some ways off.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:47:00 AM

I agree that Nintendo still sets industry standards, but they are in the business of setting a whole different kind of standard these days. It used to be the best games, now it's a specialized experience that uses smoke and mirrors to make you think it's more than it is. What's the different between swinging a Wiimote and swinging a Wiimote while you can see your golfball on the controller you placed on the ground?

But they definitely are trying to cater also to the hardcore with some emphasis on trying to have multiplat games that Sony and MS have too.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:05:22 AM

Haha. The golfball thing WAS a little hokey. But imagine you're playing LA Noire and being able to look at your notes and the person your questioning at the same time. Or being able to mark entry points and targets quickly or giving orders for where to take cover in a tactical shooter. Or in an RPG, just drag a potion over a charater's avatar that will set up a healing or while current attacks are happening on screen, being able to map out your next ones. Or creating custom plays in a sports game on the fly. And I could see some cool things done with a game like Fatal Frame.

The possibilities are there. Will they come to fruition? I dunno, but I'll definitely keep my fingers crossed and hopes up.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:58:43 AM

Temjin: Deliver WHAT goods? The same four franchises with virtually nothing else that's even worth looking at?

I think we all have to admit a few things-

The Wii was - and is - the undisputed king of shovelware. The vast majority of everything released on that system is either mediocre or just plain junk, and THAT'S because it was the very first video game system to thrive on a hardware gimmick, and didn't require software.

Plus, just like the GameCube, it produced about 1 - and I mean that almost literally literally - elite title per year. If that. This is the Wii's 5th year and it has exactly 5 games that have average scores of 9+ (I'm not counting last-gen remakes like RE4 and Okami). When they release the average review score for all software on a platform, Wii is dead last but a HUGE margin. I'm sorry, but in my eyes, that's entirely unacceptable.

The games just aren't any GOOD. A couple Marios, Zelda, Metroid. That's it. And I've tried them all; I don't consider them to be elite titles in comparison to what we have on other platforms. For me, the software is what matters and Nintendo used to be the software gurus. That really wasn't the case with the Wii and I don't see it being the case with the Wii U.

It isn't about hardware and specs. I really don't care if it looked like the NES. I play the SNES and original GameBoy still. It's about the GAMES...the Wii's top-notch offerings are too few and far between, and even those I'm not impressed with.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:44:49 AM

Well, yeah, the kind of goods Nintendo's base desires. All of the Mario's and their infinite spin offs, all of the Zeldas and Metroids and their other franchises like Pikmin or whatever. I have no doubt fans of that stuff will keep eating it up with Wii U. I would imagine at some point many of these fans will grow out of the stuff and move into the more adult and advanced oriented content that we see on Playstation. in fact, it's for this reason I think Nintendo keeps recycling the same stuff, because their lineup of game characters sporting simplified designs and plain primary and secondary colors is what attracts that gamer demographic generation after generation. An because the stuff is geared like it is I don't want to suggest I think NIntendos stuff is low quality, it's good for the scope of it's design. They don't need to change because their audience would rather have a cute rotund plumber over an ominous Helghast.

Personally I've largely grown out of NIntendos line up of stuff.






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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:12:22 PM

Oh, there's no doubt that Nintendo has fixed on the younger demographic (and the non-gamers; the senior citizens and women), so they have the market cornered in that respect.

And because just about anyone who likes gadgets or other family-forms of intriguing video entertainment will probably try the Wii U, Nintendo knows what they're doing. Or at least, I think they do.

But when it comes to actual gamers...I think those people have long since moved on.

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:16:05 PM

Agreed, Ben

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:23:26 PM

The thing is Ben, that people who buy gadgets may be scared off by the price of this thing. Also, it's OK trading on games that kids like, but the nostalgia that Nintendo lives on is waning.

Lastly, you talk about gamers moving on, what about all those people who bought a Wii, and found it covered in dust or hiding in a closet over the last year and decided that they want real gaming action? As those consumers move on, they move away from Wii.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:00:37 PM

The only "Blind faith" I've ever liked was back in 1969 with Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood & Ginger Baker, along with a couple of their other bands too, "Cream" & "Traffic".

(Damn, I'm really showing off my age here, LOL)

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kokoro
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:45:12 PM
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Wii U= dreamcast.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:48:15 AM

Dreamcast is good arcade fun, Wii U is some kind of Frankenstein.

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kokoro
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:00:53 AM

Some thought reveals that they have quite a bit in common: (I will be referring to the Wii U in past tense)

1. They were both released way earlier than the next generation counterparts of the consoles with which they were competing;

2. They both had a screen on the controller;

3. They both boasted greater graphical power than the consoles with which they were competing with at the time;

4. They both failed.

(That last one is a joke btw)

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:42:44 AM

No!

IMO, the Dreamcast had more great games in it's way too-short run than the longer running Wii ever had.

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:16:11 AM

Wii U is late, not early. Really late.

If it's more powerful than the PS3 (I trust High's opinion, but since it's still smoke and mirrors, I'm not sure any specs mean a thing), it will still be ballpark, not next-generation.

It's more Xbox (really late Xbox) than DC in terms of its timing and power.

You are right about the screen, though.



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LividFiction
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:50:51 AM

Actually, the Dreamcast controller didn't have a screen, the VMU did. (The VMU was a removable component.)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:36:45 PM

Dreamcast fell apart because multiplat devs didn't want to dev for it, so that could happen to Wii U as well. But another reason it was in trouble was it had a smaller disc format, but 30 survived with that lol.

Makes u wonder what format Wii U will use.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:25:34 PM

The specs I've seen for it put it in the ball park with the PS3 on CPU terms and better in regards to the GPU. But, it's not out of the same class as the PS3. The WiiU literally is Nintendo catching up with 360 and PS3. They are, as you say 5+ years late to the party, and unless they're carrying a keg under one arm and a case of really, really good vodka under the other, they're not welcome to the party.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:26:43 PM

World,
Not sure if you meant that there's around 30 games, or that you owned 30 of them but if it's the former, there were actually a lot more than 30 games, as I have 49 Dreamcast games in my collection so far.

Fun facts for all:
The Dreamcast had a total of 720 games in it's short lifetime.

And over 500 of those games could also interact with it's tiny portable VMU controller plug-in game module(I own 19 of them, in solid cream, clear blue, & clear green).

There was also a voice activator controller plug-in module too(I own 2, from my "Aliens Frontline" & "Seaman" games).

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 2:53:44 AM

@ Saint

World meant "360 survived...".

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556pineapple
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 11:54:01 PM
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I enjoy playing games on the Wii at my brother's house with him and his daughters, but the games I really enjoy playing offer me a lot of nostalgia (i.e. New Super Mario Brother's Wii.) I just don't buy into the whole motion gaming yet. I have an appreciation for what they're trying to do, but I really don't see the point of doing it. It's worked for them, but it's just not what I'm looking for. It is kind of sad for me, as I enjoyed playing Super Mario Bros, Contra, Duck Hunt, Rad Racer, etc. when I was just starting out with elementary school. That NES was the last Nintendo system that had a place in my home. I got the Sega Genesis, then the Playstation. It holds nostalgic value for me, but that's about it. The only reason I would get a Wii or Wii U is for the virtual machine or if they released a lot of retro style games, and right now, it's just not worth it. I still may return to Nintendo some day, but right now my Playstation 3 (original 60 GB fatty model) is giving me all of my gaming needs.

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RX78Zero
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:49:25 AM
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Early in my life i've obtain an emotional devoted attachment to the PlayStaion brand and soon after, Sony as well.
I like that Sony is broad company that is capable of striving for new pieces of technology, trying defferent ideas, and the developers who work hard to make their games on Sony's radical machine.
I grew up playing PlayStaion 1 games and i'm still able to on my 500gb PS3 slim.

Pray that what influenced you is not lost or forgotten here after.

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StangMan80
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:25:52 AM
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If you say the Wii is cool then you haven't grown up yet. The new Wii U(Horrible name bye the way)looks like it's for a 10 year old.
Hey, guys, How about becoming a true gamer and come up to the big boys. At least the 360 can be considered a game console and not something that looks like it belongs on a stores shelf next to leap frog.

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Dreno
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:45:15 AM

I'm sorry dude, and no offence. But that's just ignorant in my opinion.

Saying that someone hasn't grown up because they still like nintendo and having faith in a company that's been around for a long time. Calling someone out on their age because they may think that nintendo will deliver?

That's like saying that because someone likes jeeps over mustangs isn't grown up, or like saying that because someone likes cereal over bacon and eggs hasn't grown up. ( both probably bad analogies, but they get the point across @ 6:40 am )

You can't say someone hasn't grown up because of their preferance. Well you can, but that's not cool. At all. Especially the part about becoming a true gamer and coming up to the big boys, that's just ridiculous. And reeks of fanboyism imo.

After all, isn't gaming about preferance? If someone likes nintendo still, than by all means, enjoy. If you like playstation, which by this website is all of us, than enjoy. If you like the xbox, enjoy.

We shouldn't be divided because of what system(s) we haveand play on but shouldt be united as gamers.

Apologies for the rant.

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StangMan80
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:46:49 PM

I don't hold anything against you for your "Rant" and their is no need for you to apologize. I actually agree with everything you said.
I just personally didn't like the Wii and the new Wii U.
I can see how some of you didn't agree with what I said. But their is one thing I want to get clear. I am not a Fan boy, of anything, even Mustangs. Yes, I do think that the Mustang is the best car on the planet But I enjoy cars period. I enjoy going to car shows and talking to people who might own a Chevrolet camaro or a Dodge Charger. Back to the topic where most of you would want to read, I bought the Nintendo Wii when it was new. Owned it for a while but got rid of it. I didn't like it and the games on it. I found my self doing things on it like bowling and golf that I would rather do in the real world. The 360 on the other hand I never bought because I had family and friends who got one so I played it that way. I did not like it so I never purchased one of my own.
I grew up with the Super Nintendo, PS1 and the N64. And out of them all my favorite games are MGS, Spyro and Crash. Which were all PlayStation's exclusives then. Ever since, pretty much since the begging of the PS it has been my favorite because no other system but Sony can make me say "This console is the greatest ever!"
The Playstation gives me games that I like. That's why I have always owned one. I guess I didn't put it in that point of view in someone elses shoes who Nintendo giving them games that they enjoy the best.
I apologize to all of you who enjoy the Nintendo and even the 360. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean you have to too. I still say the PS3 is the best, haha, But I am sorry.

Happy gaming! (:

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Dreno
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:05:28 AM

in complete honesty, when i made the referance about jeeps and mustangs, i had completely forgot that you psxe name and avatar were mustang related. i feel like a d*ck, so for that i apologize. when i wrote my reply to your comment this morning, i was still half asleep so i didnt at the time make the connection to my referance and your psxe persona.

actually, i didnt make the connection until i say your reply to my reply.

i stopped being a nintendo fan after the gamecube. but i bought my gal a wii because she liked them, so i play it from time to time. i just wanted you to know that there are still some nintendo faithfull out there, but i didnt mean to come off as a d*ck in the way i posted.

and personally, i agree with you 100% that the playstation console is hands down the best consol out there.

im looking forward to reading more posts from you, after reading your reply.

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PSTan
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:28:29 AM
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I love Nintendo as much as I do Sony.

But what the heck is a Wii U? Seriously... it's a console in limbo (at least from what we've seen so far), it's jumping into HD and features a tablet like controller.

If i wanted any of these things in my games, i have other alternatives. Seriously, Nintendo is running out of ideas. They've been at the top because of their innovation and timeless franchises.

Perhaps the only thing that can save this new console is a library that can rival it's competitors. Every idea the Wii U has running for it is already found in their competition.

Then again, we could be wrong, and this will be another Wii-nomenon. Only time will tell.

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RebelJD
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:05:22 AM
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I stand behind Nintendo 100%

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DIsmael85
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:10:54 AM
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I feel you on this Ben. I grew out of Nintendo after the SNES. I played Mario 64 and own the 'Cube for the Resident Evil Remake, but other than Nintendo died to me a long long time back. When the PS1 was announced. I still love some old SNES, but I've been Solid Sony since 1995.

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mindmurderer69
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:33:42 AM
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like i have said before, nintendo should go the way of sega and focus on hand helds and bringing out great games that are multi plat. they definetly seem to have dropped the ball on consoles. i have had every piece of nintendo hardware they helped revolutionize the industry, a lot was great concepts but in reality duds. please nintendo i still love your games please keep making them...just stay away from consoles...use the move if you have to its lighter and a better fit than a overweight big stick.

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:38:53 AM
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I'm in the same position with regards to Nintendo that I have been since I bought my first console (PS2). Unlike M$, they have a chance to sell me on their system, but they have to do it based on the quantity and quality of the games, since I have zero attachment to their franchises.

I believe that Miyamoto's games are excellent, though I take long-time gamers' opinions with a grain of salt to counter the nostalgia factor, but to me they have no more pull than well-reviewed no-name-brand games.

I considered buying a GameCube. I considered buying a Wii. I have bought neither, because there haven't been enough games I want to justify the price of the console.

Plus, all three controllers (Wii U included) seem like a big step down from the DualShock. :D

Despite the stupid name, the Wii U still has a chance, especially since it will play 3 generations of games (?), but the gimmicky s*** ain't helping.

I really just want Nintendo to spend some of that Wii money on the Mariners.



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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:27:46 PM

Nintendo lives on that nostalgia Fane, and you know, I think that the nostalgia is fading.

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frylock25
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:49:42 AM
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nes was my first home console. we had other consoles in my house before that but i would call them my dads. nes was probably the last time my dad actually played video games. duck hunt and mario bros. that was the day. i still have a tshirt that says "know your roots" with a nes controller on it. i can still remember being a kid and playing my nes all the time. actually i had 2 one at moms and one at dads. i didnt have another nintendo system til gamecube. i played snes but didnt own one.

at this point though i do feel like nintendo isnt offering anything i want. i tried the wii and just was not impressed. some fun games but not enough to pull my from my ps3.

i dont feel like this new nintendo system will do anything that my ps3 wont be able to do. i fully want a vita regardless of the name.

ha ha i was just thinking vita means life, so im gonna buy a life later this year or next. ha ha

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tes37
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:51:25 AM
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I was kind of hoping Nintendo would produce a console that would make me want to own multiple systems. That controller of theirs' is just flat out silly looking. The way I act sometimes, you would think I'd be right at home with silliness, but I take my gaming seriously.

I've spent more money on gaming this generation than the last two combined. Unfortunately Nintendo won't be seeing any of it.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:31:03 PM

I recently had a clear out of my games, and I have 2-3 times more games on the SP3 than on PS2. In fact, I probably have as many PSP games as I have for the PS2. This generation has seen very high levels of spending from me on games and hardware, and I love all of it, but none of it is going to Nintendo.

My son had a DS, he never, ever played it. He has a PSP now, and plays more often, in his opinion, the games are better. He has a good mix of PSP titles and PS1 classics.

My wife loves our PS3s too, and has been responsible for a lot of the games we have too. All in all Sony really captured this family with this generation. We're already looking at being a multiple Vita household, and I can't imagine we'll skip the PS4 either, especially if we can keep all the stuff we have now thanks to backwards compatibility.

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___________
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:57:13 AM
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im quite the opposite, i always wanted to buy a wii because i love allot of the old nostalgic games only ninty offers, but i simply could not stand the bloody wii remote and crappy graphics!
now both are gone i could not be happier!
cant wait to finally get to play a new mario brothers game with a proper controller, and better yet in HD!
will definitely be getting one, but not on launch EB has it set at 600 bucks!
f*ck that!

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:32:27 PM

Have fun waiting, there will be another 18 months of nostalgic anticipation for you to endure before ponying up your $600 for it.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 6:56:09 AM

@highlander

there is no way that nintendo will release a $600 console. i think sony proved that pricepoint will just be rejected by consumers. sony had a ton of success with ps2, but could not bring those consumers over to the ps3 at $600. i don't see how nintendo can even attempt that with its more casual audience. i predict a price of around $400-$450.

i'm interested in nintendo's next console. if it has 3rd party support and some decent online functions i'll probably get it. it would be silly to underestimate nintendo at this point. if they really focus on the hardcore gamers the console war will be very exciting.

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Highlander
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 4:03:38 PM

$600 Australian dollars - Mr Underline is from Australia, I think the WiiU will come in at $400 (USD) but I think he's right to be concerned that they'll charge $600 (AUS) for the thing.

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dmiitrie
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:20:17 AM
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I'm with you Ben,

I've wanted to love Nintendo for the past 15 years, but just couldn't. And the reason has always been the games.

During their first two gens, they won the console wars based solely on the strength of their game library: yes, they had Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. But the also had Castlevania, Megaman, Final Fantasy, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Star Fox, FZero, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, and a whole host of others that I'm probably forgetting.

But with the N64 and onwards, they've embraced gimmicks at the expense of games. And as a direct result of that they've lost all of their major third party support. Sony offered (and still offers) the best tech and now all they have are thier in-house games. And that's just not enough for me. And the truly sad thing is that even if they got multiplat support back, it wouldn't be enough (for me at least). They've been out of it for too long and as much as I may want to play Zelda again, I'd rather have Uncharted.

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Eld
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:27:55 AM
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WiiU is likely heavily influenced by the success of handhelds in Japan and beyond.

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CrusaderForever
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:35:27 AM
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Nintendo = Heaven! Really!!? Not anymore, that's for sure. I have owned every Nintendo system for 3 reasons and 3 reasons only....Zelda!, Mario and Samus. I will own the WiiU as well to play those 3 characters. But, for the first time I will not be buying a Nintendo system D1P. I will get the WiiU when it drops in price. Nintendo caters to the preteen and that is insulting. Everyone that played the NES has grown up! All Nintendo has done is alienate the fans that made them a gaming juggernaut. Games are not all about graphics yet they are!!! Visually, games are graphics and with this in mind there is no reason to turn away from a beautiful way of expression. Nintendo could have still put a power house console together and called it the Wii! They chose not to! They chose to keep it cheap and ride the gimmick train. They think that gamers will not buy a system that's 300-400$ and they are wrong. The WiiU will hurt, not kill Nintendo. The "Wii" name will die with the WiiU as it won't sell half as well as the Wii did. Nintendo will be forced to come out with a TRUE NEXT GEN console 5 years from now. They will wash their hands of the Wii name and try to finally compete with Sony and Microsoft. Final nail in the casket is that I have heard Nintendo is possibly going to make the WiiU a SINGLE PLAYER CONSOLE!!!!! Obviously online MP will be available. But couch COOP or friend get-togethers with WiiU Sports could be dead. Nintendo needs new management as the current management sent this company directly for the center of the whirlpool! FLUSH!
Edit - Also whatever happened to the Nintendo golden seal of approval! Remember back in the NES and SNES days Nintendo would scrutinize every game to make sure it kept to their high standards? They must have fired/laid off that division because the Wii had the highest total of crap games released in the history of gaming!

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BikerSaint
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:40:16 PM

CrusaderForever and Darwin,

Just a thought.....

You guys should try chopping those long posts into paragraphs, cause trying to read them this way makes my eyeballs want to bleed out, so I wind up skipping on them.

And that's a shame cause both of you guys might very well have some great comments worth posting back on.

Just saying.....

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Darwin1967
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:50:30 AM
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Ahh, Nintendo. The company I hate to love and love to hate. We go way back, Nintendo and I. I worked the hallowed halls of Nintendo from 1988 to 1996. Those were booming years for Nintendo, but beneath it all, there was a building arrogance that all they touched turned to gold. When I first layed hands on the Virtual Boy, we knew that a dud was about to be foisted upon the public. The Power GLOVE, yet another horse apple. The debacle that WAS Mortal Kombat was a nightmare. Who can forget Nintendo's decision to not allow blood in that game...and to see Sub Zero perform his infamous spine rip,only to emerge 'empty handed'. Nintendos reasoning; to protect the family. They clearly were not listening to the game fans. When the the disc based games emerged via Sega, Nintendos response; they have long load times which consumers will hate and the cartridge based systems will remain the dominate force in VG systems. In other words, "we allowed our joint venture with Sony to go corrupt and we have 'nothing". When we played both the SNES with the Sega Saturn system side by side, we knew Nintendo was falling behind and when they eventually brought in the Playstation, we were all blown away. The employees knew the future, and Nintendo for whatever reason, was NOT willing to see what we saw. Yet, we were given the company mantra that Nintendo is the dominate leader, people follow Nintendo...Nintendo does not follow others. While true for their earlier existence, it was not the shape of things to come. I replaced my SNES with a Play Station the first chance I got (bought it with one of my last bonus checks from Nintendo). However, I have a fond place in my heart for my former employer and did purchase a Wii for my daugters, hoping to give them a slice of what I loved about Nintendo. They are awesome little players who LOVE mario and love the sports and dance games. As I watched this years CES show, I too was hoping to see something 'AWESOME' from Nintendo. Perhaps a truly next-gen jaw dropping console...when I heard the words Wii-U the first thing that popped into my head; virtual boy. As I watched the demo, I was struck by the insanity of the Wii-U. From the persepective of a parent, it looks like a nightmare. My 9 year old won't be able to hold the controller in her petite hands and my older one, who I lovingly call 'thunder horse' would decimate that controller, if placed on the floor, under her size 5 shoe. What idiot thought that it would be fun to create a controller you can place on the floor?! All in all, yet again, Nintendo is ruling with arrogance and not listenting to gamers. No internal HD, in this day and age, that's just plain dumb, but I have to remember, they also once said that Cartridges were superior to dics. There is nothing in the Wii-u that looks the least bit enticing. This new Nintendo system is not a platform changer. As for motion control and games of that nature, I'm seriously looking to add the Xbox Kinect to our gaming shelf...and am pretty sure that if we do that the Wii will make its way out to the garage where I have lovingly stored all my previous Nintendo systems and games.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:35:18 PM
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There will always be a soft spot for Nintendo in my heart. I haven't watched the Wii U presentation yet so l will reserve judgement. All I know is the 3DS seemed kind of gimmicky but once I had one in my hands, I loved it.

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godsdream
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:42:10 PM
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The only thing that interest me from Nintendo is Zelda. And I'll not buying a console just for 1 game, as I did neither for the Wii. Enough said.

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SympoziumPawa
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:20:48 PM
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Surely they can't just make the new controller a bit smaller? ITS MASSIVE.....I actually like the idea of seeing information of my mech if there ever was a Armored Core port, seeing tactics for my team on PES similar to the 3DS? and a map for open-world games. Do it Ninty make it smaller.... I guess.

Ok.... I will turn over to BBC News whenever a game loads for ages or installs, why would I want to continue the game. If I switch to a channel?

I'll take a year to see if the Wii U will have a great choice of games by Christmas... or else its again following the path that Nintendo have taken with the Wii. Awful games.... I just hope more is done is stop shovelware...

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Sancho
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:21:01 PM
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I lost interest in Nintendo when the 64 came out. I hated it. The controller imo was ridiculous. I was like 10 and didn't understand why the controller was shaped that way when the joystick operated essentially the same as the d-pad and the z button was there for either position. I didn't get it. I was a Sega fanboy I suppose. I loved the NES and SNES though. I in fact hated Sony for killing the Dreamcast. It should have survived....

I didn't care for the Gamecube either. I thought it was dumb to make it a cube shape to not fit in with your other devices like dvd player/vcr(vcr's were still relevant then) And it seemed less functional lacking a dvd player which at the time not everybody had one. I remember getting Spider-man on DVD for my birthday and having to borrow my friends PS2 to be able to watch it. I was into PC gaming at this point in time, being too broke to buy an Xbox and still having a grudge towards Sony.

And well the Wii... yeah it just never seemed worth while although I had about 20 minutes of fun with Wii Sports. There are a few games I'd like to check out, but those are exclusive RPG's that seemed pretty interesting.

I do currently own 2 Gamecubes and a N64 for my collection I'm trying to start. I want to own as much of gaming history as possible and have most of the systems regardless of preferences.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:54:50 PM

The controller was great actually.

It was what influenced the whole joystick on a controller idea and brought Arcade racers to consoles. It also allowed for more 3 dimensional control than a d-pad.

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Sancho
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 6:50:45 AM

The only thing about the joystick part is that Saturn actually had one in Japan on a controller that looked much like the Dreamcast controller. Maybe it wasn't just in japan and came a few months later, but it was released around the same time.

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blakkternalx520
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:33:35 PM
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yea, lost hope in nintendo when all they could bring is a new mario game very now and then. if this system fails like i think it will, nintendo would be smart to just go the route of sega if they want to make money on their big hits.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:17:53 PM
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If Wii U fails the best thing Nintendo can do is side with Sony and bury microsoft with ps4.

Then they can compete with Sony again with ps5 and whatever Nintendo makes.

Nintendo-Sony rivalry is a better one. Microsoft is just a Playstation clone and is only this generation where they became a mini-PC filled with FPSs

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AbsoluteZer0
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:42:04 PM
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Well, I've always been a fan of Nintendo and they have my trust. Obviously, that can't last forever, but they still have it. I know that when I play a Mario platformer I'm gonna have fun. I won't have to worry about who watches me play(I have three younger sisters, the youngest is six), I'll enjoy the scenery, there will be an actual color palate, etc. It's been this way for as long as I can remember. Now maybe it seems like a cop-out to you guys, this new controller. But consider this, Nintendo's trying to do something new. And in a way it's because they can't compete with Sony and Microsoft on a hardware front. But they *are* trying, did Sony innovate with the PS2? Microsoft with the Xbox 360? Not to be fanboyish, but I think that Nintendo's still doing something unique here.

To address Highlander's complaints, no Nintendo didn't really show much. The system really isn't very old, and honestly, I'm pissed that they didn't show off more software for the 3DS and announce Xenoblade and Last Story for the Wii in the US. But it is not wrong to have (speculative and not blind)faith that Nintendo will deliver us experienced that we will enjoy and cherish. Nintendo showed us a concept. The main purpose of this, IMO, was to get devs on board. The 3DS launch was lack-luster, there was no killer app, software functionality was missing, and the battery life sucks. Additionally, there were tons of leaks. All in all, I think it was fair for Nintendo to showcase what was finished on the system. It's not fair to hate on it yet, it's not done. Though I will not be buying one at launch, I really think this has potential.

To address Ben, Nintendo does not run on nostalgia, at least, not for me. I own both Mario Galaxy games, Smash Brothers Brawl, New Super Mario bros Wii, Mario Kart Wii, I have nearly finished Twilight Princess, and I own several other high-profile Nintendo games for the system. All, excepting Mario Kart Wii, have provided exceptional experiences, usually unmatched in their category. I'm sorry, but my PS3 has not had anywhere near as many quality platforming experiences as my Wii. Truth be told, I haven't had my PS3 as long and haven't bought as many games for it, but that's how it stands. There are some things that my PS3 has blown the Wii out of the water with. Modnation Racers for example. PS3 does really well with some things. And yes, the Wii does have a crap-load of shovel-ware. What do you expect? It's cheap to develop for and everyone and their grandma(literally) has one.

But finally, I'm (kinda) surprised at this article. Ben I've seen this site as a (mostly) fanboy-free place. But this sort of article is just provocative to the few Nintndo-lovers that frequent the site. I know this place is a bastion of all things PlayStation, but for a while it seemed like it was also a haven of level-headed-ness and respect for other platforms. I've enjoyed the smart commenters (I'm looking at you, Highlander), the humor, and the usual high-brow nature of this site; but it's become harder to come back as it seems like I'm seeing the ugly side of PSXE more and more. My apologies if this sounded overtly like a fanboy doing his best to defend an inadequate old company that may be on its last legs to you guys. And my further apologies if you feel like I wasted your time with this column of text, but I felt like I needed to remind PSXE why I was first attracted. Please try to do better, I know you can.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:52:07 PM

This was an extraordinarily respectful article in regards to Nintendo. Don't lecture me on "doing better" because I'm allowed to be a gamer, and I'm allowed to have preferences, stated in a respectful way. I think it's pretty plain that I'll always respect Nintendo, and I'm ALLOWED to say they just don't have anything that appeals to me anymore.

This is a site for gamers. Not just PlayStation fans. That's what it has always been and what it will continue to be. Sounds to me like your allegiance to the Wii has completely blinded you, and if there's even the slightest negative thing said about Nintendo, you immediately resort to accusations.

That isn't really appreciated.

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Darwin1967
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:02:04 PM

Actually, I think that most of us 'LOVED' Nintendo. This isn't a fanboy slam on the company, rather, I think it's more of a heartbreak for most of us who truly enjoyed and loved our Nintendo experiences. From a person who started out on Pong and Donkey Kong, there was no other system in my life other than Nintendo, until they decided to get involved with being more of a gimmick system and not keep pace with available technology. I still believe that Nintendo has ALOT of life left in their company, I just don't think that they are listening to the majority of gamers, but are still more focused on young players (I will almost guarantee you that the majority of Wii systems were sold to 'families' with young kids, which have for the most part been the Nintendo base since the first NES rolled off the assembly line. They seem to forget that the gamers who sat for endless hours on their NES, SNES, etc. are growing up and their techonological tastes are changing. The Wii-U while an interesting concept and achievement still, I think, falls short of Nintendo's ability. I stand by the fact that the controller will be a hinderance as a selling point for parents....and that's not a customer base you want to make leary of your product. Had Nintendo truly put forward a next-gen system, one that they are more than capable of making, but seem reluctant to do....I would have been first in line to pick one up.

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AbsoluteZer0
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:08:03 PM

@Ben,
I just re-scanned your article, and, to a degree, I was wrong. You are definitely very respectful in the way that you state that you have left the realm where Nintendo appeals to you anymore. I do need to apologize for this. But I do still believe that the theme of the article sets itself up as flame/troll bait. This being said, I stand by my words regarding the Wii U and Nintendo in general.

I don't believe that I am, as you said, blinded by my allegiance to the Wii. If I was, why would I come here? Why would I own a PS3? In my opinion, both consoles are inadequate. I love my Wii, but it's not a graphical powerhouse, it doesn't have that many really great games, the ones I love aren't really deep on the story, etc. I'll be the first to admit Nintendo's shortcomings.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:28:03 PM

It's easy to interpret anything not related to Sony at PSXE as "bait" of some kind. I know that, so I understand your reaction.

But as you can see, I tried to go out of my way to explain the place Nintendo will always have in my gaming history. :)

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Axe99
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:34:29 PM

@ Absolute Zero - I think you're a bit harsh here - what's astounded me on the internet is that so few sites have posted thoughtful commentary on the Wii U (it's all "OMG it's so good" or the polar opposite). However, I've had a very similar view to Ben - I loved the N64 (I was a Sega man before then, although I did enjoy the SNES games I played), and persevered through the Gamecube (I still own one) but the Wii was the first console I was _glad_ to trade in. While I think it's awesome that Ninty brough the love for Ninty gamers, for gamers that grew up on different stuff (I had a Sega/PC/Playstation background), everything I tried other than Metroid Prime:Corruption felt dated and, from my perspective, had been surpassed during the PS2 era. I wanted to love the Wii, I really did, but it left me colder than a winter day in Siberia.

And the Wii U looks like more of the same in terms of Ninty's approach. I've held that 'Ninty gamers' (people who enjoy the standards of the late 1990s games and prefer them not to change) and gamers more broadly (who've been following the innovations and changes since then) have been moving apart for much of the last decade, and the Wii U looks to further solidify this shift. I'm not saying one camp is better than the other - sometimes the classics are better - so don't take my comparison up there as a flame, just telling it like it is. However, I'm not a 'Ninty Gamer', and doubt I will be again given the direction they're going.

Yet it seems like actually saying this on the internet is grounds for excommunication. Why is this so? Are people that unable to look beyond the rose-coloured glasses and see it like it is? Ben's article is the first on the Wii U that I've seen that does this, and does it respectfully. He doesn't have a dig at Ninty Gamers, or Ninty - he just notes that Ninty have moved away from what he (and the broader group of gamers) see as cutting-edge interactive entertainment. He doesn't say whether it's good or bad (it's not always good on the bleeding edge ;)), he just says it. I see it as another example of the quality journalism we get here.

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AbsoluteZer0
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:51:42 PM

@Axe99
I agree, I was too harsh, and I did try to eat my words. I can't honestly say much about the Wii U other than that I know Nintendo has tried with the Wii and DS(can't say so much about before that) to bring some innovation(in the form of gimmicks, yes) to its new systems. This is a two-edged sword, on one hand it has meant that they aren't pushing the graphical-realism borders, I see this as good as it means for me that I'll see more lush colors, there'll be some cool applications of the gimmick, and there'll probably be less guns involved(it's a bit odd to explain, don't ask). On the other hand, it means that a lot of games are likely to focus on this gimmick/there won't be as many deep experiences because most games'll be for kids/etc. etc. That's part of the reason I have a PS3, it provides a lot that the Wii can't. I'm not sure about endorsing three console ownership, but I can endorse two console ownership quite easily. :)

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:02:52 PM

Did Sony innovate with PS2?

Well, let's see....DVD? (I'm sure that PS2 is generally mentioned every time someone wants to explain the rapid uptake of DVD.) EyeToy? HDD (the interface was part of the design always before being included by default. Built in ethernet. USB ports and accessories.

Yep, not at all innovative, and that's excluding the hardware side with both a custom CPU that was a beast, and a GPU that was so much a beast we still can't emulate it in software..

No innovation there at all right?

And regarding Nintendo, I would not be harsh on them at all if I saw them investing in first party developers and *new* IPs, but I don't, and haven't in a long time. I would have been far less harsh about their E3 show if they'd either a) had a prototype or even an early development test-bed on display running demonstrator code or b) not tried to pretend like the WiiU was the greatest thing on earth when in fact all they are really introducing at the show is the 'N-Pad' controller.

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godsdream
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:10:05 PM

I think, 95% of us have Nintendo in our hearts. So they gain my respect just for the fact.

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 3:10:55 AM

IMO Heavy Rain is innovation, while waggle is not.

Being unprecedented does not make something innovative. It also has to be an improvement.


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AbsoluteZer0
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:19:09 PM
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Oh crap. I've misspoken. Ugh, um I guess I really do have to pretty much take it all back. I really did over-react. Maybe not take absolutely everything back, Nintendo does have more than just nostalgia. I do really think their games are still great. But I am sorry. I'll try to keep perspective a bit harder next time.

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AbsoluteZer0
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:28:32 PM
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@Ben,
Out of curiosity, what do you play on your SNES?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:37:45 PM

Super Mario Kart, Madden '93, NHL '94, Super Mario All-Stars, Street Fighter II, Secret of Mana...I'm missing A Link to the Past, but I refuse to pay what it costs. :)

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CrusaderForever
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:17:07 PM

LOL! Awesome Ben! NHL 94 is THE best EA NHL game EVER! I estimate I have over 100 hours into that game. So fun, just a great all around fun NHL game. One Timer FTW! :) But my all time favorite SNES sports game is Super Tennis! Never been done as good as this. All Tennis games fail compared to Super Tennis! Ahhh, great memories :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:12:11 PM

Hell yeah! You realize you can typically score by going around behind the net, coming to the front, crossing in front of the goalie, and shooting in the opposite side, right?

My record in a standard game with 4-minute periods is 17-0 with the Boston Bruins. :)

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CrusaderForever
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:31:47 PM

Oh yeah!! I remember the moves! My favorite was the breakaway deke to the left and back to the right for an easy back handed goal! I don't remember my highest score but I just remember playing with a friend and dominating! Defense was huge too, with back breaking checks that would open up to unrelenting offense! To fun!
ONE TIMER!!

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Jed
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:53:04 PM
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I was never a big Nintendo fan. I had the NES when I was pretty young, then had a Genesis. I had fun with some SNES games at my friends house, but never really wanted one.

I had good experiences with the N64. WCW games, Starfox, Ocarina of Time was one of my all time favorites, and who can forget Goldeneye?

After the N64 I was rocked by Dreamcast and, of course, the Playstation. I had no interest in the gamecube whatsoever, in fact, the only gamecube came I've ever really played was on the wii when I found a copy of the Zelda Ocarina/Majora's mask combo.

I had a wii for about 6 months. I liked Twilight Princess, I loved Resident Evil 4 on the wii, but nothing else ever got my attention.

Even though I've never been a big fan, I would have loved to see Nintendo come out with a powerhouse console with some hardcore titles being developed. Unfortunately the wiiU has really convinced that Ninty has nothing left to offer.

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Highlander
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:07:38 PM

N64 was the home to the *very* best Star Wars console games of the generation. It was worth it just for those. But that level of third party support and exclusivity is no longer there.

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ima420r
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:34:09 PM
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I cant wait fir the WiiU so I can see what it will do. The large controller is a little off putting, but they can do so much with it. And the fact that 3rd party developers have had one for 2 years means there might be some good games.

I won't knock it til Ive tried it. Can't be worse than the Wii. :)

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Mr Wright
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:05:02 PM
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I loved the N64(Golden Eye was all I needed), but after that they fell off. I felt like the Wii was just a joke. The newest consoles were always about making the graphics way better and nintendo just side stepped that whole process to try and make me move around more while I play video games. I understand it was a cool idea and all that, but I'm old school, I want better graphics and kickass games.

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godsdream
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:11:41 PM
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I also have Nintendo in my heart, but since PS came to life, I never returned. And I'm not a fanboy, I'm just a fan of good things. The only thing I miss is Zelda as I said before, but one game won't make me to purchase another console

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realmadpuppy
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:34:29 PM
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I was never a big fan of Nintendo my family had an Atari 2600,5200 and after that I went to the Commodore64 and left consoles behind until the genesis and then I went into the PC world and PC gaming, the next console I ever owned was an Xbox one which I sold and replaced for a 360 on launch day after that nightmare I bought 2 PS3's and never looked back. maybe that is why I never understood why "everybody" got excited about playing the same games over and over again from the big "N", I often wondered how you can just be happy with tired old concepts and characters polished and re-released over and over again. no innovation...no imagination. It was like all those pathetic tools that cried when Nintendo announced Zelda for the Wii...what a bunch of boors.

Even Hollywood isn't as bad as Nintendo when it comes to beating a dead horse over and over again.

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Qubex
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:35:35 PM
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The Nintendo WiiU is still a question mark for me. I can see what Nintendo are trying to do, and, if used properly it could be quite innovative. Again, it will all be about the software.

I am going to reserve judgement until I know exactly what is up with the hardware and how it may be used with innovative games and the like.

Main issue for me is they don't have the innovative real estate they once had. They are trying to tap into the hardcore gamer with specifications that are on par with the PS3 and xBox, but don't realise that times are a changing quickly, and the PS3 and xBox will be moving on soon...

We will see if they have made a great miscalculation... first few months of sales figures will be a very interesting indicator indeed...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:29:37 AM

The thing is Qubex, we'll have to wait 18-24 months to see the first few months of sales of the WiiU. As you said, things won't wait for Nintendo.

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Alienange
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:08:57 PM
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The nostalgic allegiance to Nintendo that some gamers have is borderline insanity. If ever there was a system with no games it's the Wii. Now all of a sudden Nintendo has ANOTHER system coming. One that will be supported alongside the Wii? Mwahahaaa... I doubt it!

Nintendo, more than any other publisher, is guilty as sin for doing nothing more than releasing the same games over and over and OVER. The Wii U is nothing but another excuse for them to put out HD versions of the same old games. It's a HUGE goodbye from me as well. Way to say it like it is Ben.

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Robochic
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 8:20:29 AM
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I love nintendo and will always have a warm spot for them in my house, if not for the kids but for me, but Ben I do agree that since for me the gamecube nintendo really hasn't brought out the big guns. The Wii U will be something I will wait for as right now the only thing that my Wii gets used for is Zelda and Epic Mickey I am sad that they haven't brought out more with this console and it took them so long to bring out a new zelda for the Wii. I have a 3ds I love the crap out of it, I think really they are concentrating more on the ds's then they are their console not saying thats bad but if you are going to have 2 at least balance the software out for them. We'll see what nintendo does for this console but I am in no rush to get another nintendo console at this time as I am happy with my PS3 and my 3ds and soon my vita :) once they release that.

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Mornelithe
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 10:30:09 AM
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Agreed Ben, it's really hard to get excited for anything that Nintendo does. And really, it goes back to when Reggie and Co. came out and said that Nintendo's first party studios weren't interested in making adult games.

I, too, understand the path they've chosen, it's the same path they were on when I first found them so long ago. The problem is, their path continues in one direction, it has no branches, it has no need, want, or desire for any branches. And by branches, I mean, delving into other genres of gaming that they _could_ expand into, but choose not to.

You cannot win back the 'core' 'harcore' oh screw it, those are simply terms to avoid using the word 'adult' gamer. When I was 7-8 yrs old, Nintendo's core was me. Now that I'm 32, their core is certainly NOT me. I applaud them for their success, but, I do feel a sense of loss because I'm not a part of it anymore.

But, it's ok, Nintendo has their niche, and they, in their own way help push innovation not just in RAM or CPU, but in other ways as well. And many many people still trip over themselves to revisit Mario, Zelda and Samus' worlds.

...And I have my PS3 and my PC.

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Mounce
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 4:17:57 PM
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I've chosen the same path you just picked when the Gamecube came, sure Gamecube had a few hidden gem and underrated title, just last year even I went out, found and bought all of them and yes even Eternal Darkness, was amazingly quite easy to get for me and a good chunk of luck.

Nintendo wants to be 'innovative' as a means to look serious in being a leader-figure in doing 'amazing things', which gives people the belief that by them buying the console, the delusion is that they wish to be a part of Nintendos history so one day they can look back and act all proud as if they were a part of something great. Truly there's NO future and this is almost similar to how people and religion mix, being a part of having 'faith' in Nintendo, is whats blinding the Nintendo fanbase to keep buying Nintendo stuff. If anyone were to lose their sense of nostalgia and grow up a bit, they'd see what you just saw, Ben.

Nintendo tries to do different things to look as they are, while Sony and Microsoft now are just butting heads and making power-consoles and rely on the Games, from 1st party, 2nd party and 3rd. The only plus side of the Wii U is that it'll help the fanbase by now collecting multiplatform titles so it's not left out in the dust in great 3rd party games, developers will surely chase after the opportunity to increase the sales of their games by distributing their games on the Wii U and the 360 and PS3, unlike the Wii where it just didn't get ANYTHING but shovelware.

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thj_1980
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 5:29:00 PM
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I personally think it looks decent, but I still need to see more of what this system can do.

All test systems were locked up with the back and sides closed off.

Personally I think the wii looks better than this, mainly because I am used to it.

We'll see if my opinion changes over time or not?

However anybody else thinks the wii looks more modern???

I personally think this looks like a car cd player from 1999 painted white!

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phade2blaq
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 9:00:04 PM
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I have to say I agree with this article ! Looking back, I remember playing the original NES and Mario and boy was it fun but as time goes on, Nintendo seems to stuck in the mid 1980s to late 1990s and that just isn't where gaming is today !

The kid themed games from those days were fine but Nintendo has never understood that they must change with the times ! You can only last so long on the backs of Mario, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus and other Nintendo classics !

I stopped buying Nintendo consoles after the N64 and I'll probably never buy another Nintendo console !

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Caanimal
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 10:16:11 PM
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Like many I lost interest in what Nintendo was releasing way back in the later N64 days... Once the majority of game manufactures began moving away from being on a specific system to being multiplatform I just didn't see a reason to stay w/ the system just to play the latest iteration of the same games I've played at least 3 times prior.

Anymore Nintendo is nothing but the masters of remaking the same games over and over, when was the last time they released a NEW character that actually did reasonably well, Kirby? Nintendo relies WAY to heavally on their stable of well known (and long loved but VERY out-dated) characters to keep them afloat while 3rd party titles go absolutely no where.

As for the name of the new syste, Wii U, I was thinking it would have been more fun if it was named the Wii II(2), or Weeeeeeeeeeeeee.........

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DarkSeed
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 11:35:16 PM
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Really? I wouldn't turn my back before seeing what the system can do. No. Before seeing what the developers can do with the system. How you feel is kinda depressing but I don't know why this showed up in my news feed. This could easily pass off as being emo. But if you really feel that way than I can only feel sorry for you and say. "Give them a chance. They're trying to leap in the core gamers direction while sticking to their innovative concepts. How will you know what it can do(what it can bring to the table) unless you give it a chance?"

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telly
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:01:21 PM
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Like pretty much everyone, I have priceless memories playing NES and SNES with my friends, throughout years of my childhood. Like Ben, I hung in there through increasingly disappointing consoles -- it was all downhill for N64, and Nintendo, after Mario 64, as far as I'm concerned -- and the last straw really was Wii. Wii U is getting credit for offering HD graphics -- PS3 and 360 have been offering that for five and six years, respectively. I, too, am probably ready to lift anchor and leave Nintendo and never look back.

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Sky_Genesis
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:35:17 PM
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I agree with Ben..Nintendo hasn't been the same since the 64...and everything after that went to hell!! the wii had potential ..but alas they did nothing with it and its store, they were too busy vying for the casual gamers and thus everyone else took a back seat. Now with the Wii-U ( Stupid name I might Add ) I have absolutely no interest in it what so ever...

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The Iron Jedi
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 7:34:00 AM
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I was reading this article over, and even though I love Nintendo, so much of what you all say, does echo with me.

I owned a Nintendo system all the way up to the GameCube, and I did buy a Wii recently, but decided to trade it back for PS3 titles.

As time moves on, you grow apart from things, and I really I think the GameCube was the last straw for me.

I did just buy a 3DS, but it's back on eBay, as I realised that I made a mistake, and I intend to get a PS Vita when they come out.

I really worked out that I've had PS systems for longer that I've owned Nintendo systems now, 12 years vs about 10 years.

Something died in me with Nintendo almost when the N64 came out, sad but true. Nothing will ever reach the heights of the Super Nintendo for me, when it comes to Nintendo.

Coming back to the Wii U (Yes, I hate the name), I did consider it, but I think I've just moved past the Nintendo characters, and I'd have to say Nathan Drake is my favourite character now. Why would I buy a console when having the PS3 and PS Vita is going to do exactly what I want, AND I already have a PS3, and it's awesome.

Nintendo it's been a great memory, but I've moved on.

Is it time for Nintendo to do so aswell, and become like SEGA?

I think perhaps it is.....

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