Hey Guerrilla, Take The Duke And Fix Him
Duke Nukem Forever was a mess. A travesty. But I've decided that Duke doesn't deserve to go out like this and after hearing Kamiya volunteer for the Devil May Cry reboot, I got to thinking...
Who can resurrect Duke? Who can raise him from the TKO he just suffered? If anyone can do it, it's Killzone developer Guerrilla. They could add that intensity and brutality we love in the KZ franchise and no, I'm not recommending a complete change in style for the Duke. The brawny, sunglasses-wearing hero is all about lewd, crude, over-the-top cockiness. And we can keep that, but I still think if we're going all out, we should add some blood and gore. Keep the strippers and the cheesiness; just add in some of that patented Guerrilla flair.
Of course, other competent FPS developers could give Duke his just due. DICE and Infinity Ward come to mind, as does Insomniac. I only list the latter because their experience with the Ratchet & Clank series means they're familiar with the term "lighthearted," and they could create a brutal yet comical Duke title. Does anyone else have any bright ideas? And don't say Valve unless you add the caveat that they make a new engine for the game; if they use that archaic Source engine, Duke will just remain mired in the past.
I'm still miffed at the whole DNF fiasco. I was willing to tolerate so much, but that was just...horrid.
6/17/2011 Ben Dutka
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:07:57 PM
Last thing I want to see is the Duke going soft.
manofchao5
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:04:04 PM
gray_eagle
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:40:09 PM
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SayWord
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:05:15 PM
Geobaldi
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:35:53 AM
Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:56:38 PM
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Why not whoever did the Matt Hazard games, or People Can Fly? Give it to Remedy to give us a third-person Duke. They did well with Max Payne. Why not Vatra after they're done with SH: Downpour. Branch out their reach a little bit?
Peace.
Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:11:53 PM
NoSmokingBandit
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:57:20 PM
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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:08:49 PM
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With Bulletstorm, they nailed the cockiness, over-the-top action and humour you'd see back in the day of Duke at his finest, and the game mechanics were pretty awesome too.
If you loved Duke back in the 90's, check out Bulletstorm, then tell me if I'm right or wrong in suggesting Epic and PCF should develop the next Duke game.
Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:43:59 AM
mastiffchild
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:58:48 PM
Along with the game play giving nothing to today's shooter OR Duke's memory I just felt DNF was a bit of a waste and was better left a massive joke which would have actually made a reinvention a better bet with JUST the rights rather than staying hamstrung with 3DR's messes and trying to fix clearly outdated level and character designs.
I WAS a DN an in the day but the day passed and PCF just moved DOWN the talent pole rather than up it and you'd first need a writer as good as Salinger to properly reinvent DN and that's without even thinking about differentiating the gameplay in today's shooter soaked market. Is there even ROOM for a better DN let alone the one we know and used to love?
It's a big, expensive job and I don't think there's enough money to be made in bothering.
Pandacastro
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:19:44 PM
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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:29:38 PM
BTW, Gearbox bought the Duke Nukem franchise, so unless Gearbox want's 3D Realm's advice or help, then I doubt 3DR can do anything more that's Duke related.
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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:53:03 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:21:31 PM
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I only hope DNF has the curiosity sales and fan sales enough to warrant them working on an all new venture that does exactly what everyone wanted from Duke. I maintain that there IS a way to bring him into this more serious age of gaming and still have him be awesome. We just need someone to do it, rather than polish up an old turd.
That said, I'm still having fun with aspects of DNF, it does have things that are just missing these days in your basic on-rails military shooters and such.
mackid1993
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:23:05 PM
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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:50:48 PM
hellish_devil
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:28:50 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:39:00 PM
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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:53:41 PM
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Duke is a throwback to 80's and early 90's stereotypes, which kids these days would not get.
I think it's time to bury the Duke or give him PSN and Live space with a quieter celebration of his comeback. This DNF review fiasco has almost become unbearable!!! Such high hopes for a fun game, even if it was archaic.
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:05:16 PM
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Jawknee
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:38:04 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:48:58 PM
Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:21:17 AM
WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:06:09 PM
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CrusaderForever
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:46:46 PM
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Palpatations911
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:01:43 AM
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You're kinda saying the same thing about duke that I was saying about dungeon siege 3... The game hasn't really evolved much over the past decade, just like dungeon siege 3. I'm not going to sit here and call you butthurt over it like you did about me, but there is some irony in your article which I didn't bother reading because of your comment to me which I found quite rude. I think the title summarizes the entire article
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:09:04 AM
DNF was a broken game. It actually kept the attitude of Duke - as I said in my review, if you had actually read it - so that was hardly the problem. It wasn't changed in any way.
You were just annoyed that DSIII wasn't anything like past DS games and came up with trivial reasons to hate it. ...I fail to see the similarity.
If you actually read articles before commenting, maybe you would make actual points.
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Ultimateps3king
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:08:30 AM
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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:25:50 AM
Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 2:39:55 AM
Geobaldi
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 4:57:07 AM
Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:29:26 AM
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If they can capture that kind of acting in Duke Nukem style they have me sold.
Not a big FPS fan but even I liked some of the over the top DN flair. It was all about fun and blowing stuff up.
Guerilla has the graphics down, they can do a well scripted story, taking you through a coherent scene to another, and giving you a COMPLETE gameplay experience. Really some of the best display of what an FPS should be like.
Only problem is it being multiplat.
Nonetheless as long as Duke gets a just "next-gen" chance again we'll accept whoever it is. I don't think he'd fail twice.
lateralus27
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:55:28 AM
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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 2:38:29 AM
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___________
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:57:07 AM
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GG would be the WORST devs for this series!
1 all they care about is graphics.
2 the graphics are so dark and gloomy so little color, dukes quite the opposite completley different tone!
3 there so serious, everything has to be realistic!
4 there again so heffed up on realism allot of dukes traits would go out the window!
amazing cool weapons, holowduke, and the ability to carry as many weapons as you want for example.
5 duke needs a chalky cheesy story, GG cant even do a normal war story, let alone a creative humorous cheesy story!
6 there games are always so short and linear again going against the series grain.
id much rather gearbox keep duke and give us another one then GG!
in fact i cant think of a worse developer to give the series to!
Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:19:51 AM
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That is one of the most laughable things i have ever read here.
GG delivered another technically brilliant, but yet another military, generic shooter...the thing Duke opposes in theme. Its the exact opposite of Duke and Duke set out to antidote those kinds of games from us.
This is getting destroyed by people over at Gearbox site by people who like DNF and don't. I don't think i should link again lol.
People, even here, are enjoying DNF...they're confused at the reviews...why? Here's your answer...
This video is the definitive video/review on DNF. The best i have seen on the game and one that actually knows what he's talking about. http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Th2z0xT-X5s&feature=player_embedded#at=1535
MUST WATCH.
It even got Jon St Jon (voice of Duke) to comment on it!
This guys got balls of steel. Calls all out for talking crap on this game and challenges them aswell as giving the most fair look at the game too.
Another site posted that DNF highlighted all the crap talking reviewers of the industry that either unjustifiably marked it too high, or too low and posted all the names never to be trusted again....PSXE was listed lol I found that funny.
In response to this joke, IF DNF was a bad game and a failure, the most perfect studio to develop a Duke would be Gearbox...you know, considering they have many decade old ex 3D Realms staff on the team and Randy actually developed the Atomic Edition of DN3D....not to mention that Gearbox have developed Borderlands, a heavy hitting, crude, Duke inspired arse kicker...AND now Furious 4, another Duke inspired game with balls.
Anyway....My review is coming along nicely.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:33:28 AM
Yes, a bunch of right-minded unbiased people at the Gearbox forums. Praise to high heaven when I say we shouldn't take Duke so seriously, but when reality hits, they can't handle it. Of course, the fact that I'm a big Duke fan, that I wanted DNF to be better more than ANYONE; that fact is tossed by the wayside because it doesn't fit in with their bashing agenda. I'm a fan but I hate it, so I don't count. ...and you APPLAUD these people? Has the "against the grain" trend you follow to a huge fault finally blinded you?
By the way, considering that just about every major source on earth gave DNF a score like mine or lower, none of them are ever to be "trusted" again. GameSpot gave it a 3. Guess they're out, too. ...but hey, what do we know? We're just stupid critics. We just don't "get it." It's "the people" who are the gaming geniuses, as always.
...wait, let me roll my eyes again.
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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:57:29 AM
Yes, Borderlands is similar....Duke was also one of Randy's inspirations for it and wanted "the Duke tone". Care to argue with him? Your arrogance is getting a bit silly Ben. This "write up" is hilarious and ill informed.
At the Gearbox forums, people are FAR from bias, people are split right down the middle on Duke...however, they are educated enough on it to know what's venom and stupid, the latter being this editorial. Only some prased your Why So Serious write up...as i said, split. This editorial is all around slammed and laughed at.
You say you're Duke fan and post this? Didnt you also say that DNF should be a total run and gunner like it's predecessor? Something it's predecessor is not?
I could argue you easily as long as you like, Benjamin, but i could just link you this, your own editorial, each time and be done with it. You really surprised me with this one....and it's funny you chose a PS3 exclusive aswell...is this to impress the people at the PSblog again? I don't know.
Anyway, the video posted says it all and answers you for me about why we call stupidity on such "reviews".
I also wouldn't refer to you as a critic, i came to this site to see a more laid back approach to giving opinion on games....that's how i see it here....and that's all good btw.
Also, who here said GG can't make an FPS? the stupidity is that they could never do Duke...im still laughing.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:07:46 AM
The game is bad. It's so painful, everyone sees it. My mother would know it's bad.
And I really don't give a rat's ass what Randy said; find me ONE person who will sit down, play Borderlands, and then play DNF and go, "oh yeah, I see the resemblance." But seriously, believe what you will.
Write up your review, ignoring 99% of everything that's bad and trying to find justification where there isn't any. You were predisposed to liking the game from the get-go. There's no chance you wouldn't have liked it. Those are the ONLY people who think DNF is worth playing: those who went in with that mentality. Will you at least admit that it wouldn't have mattered how the game turned out? You HAVE to admit it; the game is awful and you're on your self-righteous horse again.
I'm a fan. But I was a fan who was able to see it for what it was: a colossal failure. Don't worry, it was hard for me to accept, too.
And by the way, if you wish to continue insulting me by calling me "stupid," I would suggest not posting again. I don't appreciate that from someone who is so absurdly predictable, he obviously never has an original thought in his head.
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cLoudou
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:52:51 AM
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:35:52 PM
So instead of just being a secure, mature individual and disagreeing respectfully: i.e., "Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is.
Got no problem with people liking Duke. Pretty sure World likes the game just fine but he doesn't go around ranting and raving about how the people who don't like the game are idiots. And I CERTAINLY never said gamers who enjoy DNF are idiots.
No, only the put-upon blinded fans are hostile. Ironically, they're the ones screaming about the "hostility" in reviews when in fact, there's no more hostility in any of those bad reviews than there is for ANY game that sucks.
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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:13:09 PM
Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:23:30 PM
bigrailer19
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 4:29:53 PM
If you like it for your own reasons that's one thing, and very acceptable. But just telling people their view of it is wrong, because yours are somehow more correct, that's just ridiculous.
Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:26:07 PM
I'm being called delusional by people being delusional.
I never called people idiots for not liking the game.
Never called Ben stupid, rather, this editorial.
Never have i stated i like DNF or that i am having fun with it.
Instead, i am being bombarded with hostility for backing up a "broken game"...isn't that what i was accused of?
There's so much defensive behaviour from you Ben, you must be unsure of your own editorial.
Your putting words in my mouth..."anyone who doesn't agree with him is an ignorant moron" are you name calling these people because i have never said or given off any such hostility. Your getting defensive.
""Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is." again, i never stated whether im having fun with it...and never torn down anyone else here about it...look back at your review thread, did i challenge it? As advanced as me? You're putting me in this light, i've not done anything to put anyone below me. You're getting defensive.
Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:36:42 PM
There you go again with the arrogance (something im accused of), challenging the designer of Borderlands on his own game. The game is loaded on 90s gunplay with adult humour.
My review isn't even written up and you claim i'm ignoring 99% of what's going on, where's the logic in that? Oh, right, i'm predictable. I will review it as any other game. If this game is shat, than that's my view....
I remain calling this editorial atrociously stupid...because it is. This editorial is not your view on the game, it's what you have said should happen to it...and it's astonishing. A laughing stock.
So no, stop being defensive/delusional, i didn't call you stupid...and whatever else you accuse me of.
Oh and my promised rebuttal - *Links your own editorial*
:)
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:36:46 PM
...way to split hairs on that one.
But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?
Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:45:05 PM
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:12:20 PM
Neo_Aeon666
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 7:11:26 AM
Borderlands is still softer than Duke but if you played it... Don't you remember all the things the bosses said and all the stuff we could do and the dark humor and art everywhere and sexual innuendos? That is the reason why I think they are similar in attitude and vibe. Since they already had the guts to go that direction I would think they would be well suited to do the sequel. They messed up a bit and we can't deny it but I still find it lotsa fun and I hope they do one more and fix it all.
On that matter I think bulletstorm devs would do good also. I just don't want Duke to have to start comboing and juggling monsters XD
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Lotusflow3r
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:52:58 AM
"But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?" ....Have you?
"That's because it's basically the only non-military shooter anybody even knows."
Half Life 2
Quake 4
Bulletstorm
Resistance
Wolfenstien
Prey
FEAR
Timeshift
Singularity
All well known and none military. All but one (if that) have no relation to Duke. Borderlands does...take your own advice and "admit it".
*links your own editorial*
Neo - You see the obvious....no reply to that though because it means owning up to being wrong.
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BTNwarrior
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:00:55 AM
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Excelsior1
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:41:42 PM
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gearbox seems like a good fit. it just does not look like they put a whole lot of time into this game. most projects with troubled developement cycles often run into this problem of not meeting expectations. there a reason dnf did not get released over those 12 yrs. it wasn't good enough.
Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:59:19 PM
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NO. They all lack the balls to do so and they all fear the ESRB ( Heck I wonder how this new Duke got past the ESRB without AO rating ). If any other Dev takes Duke Nukem the game might have better graphics but it will become a soft Duke, *lighthearted*, boring. Duke is not silly. Duke is violent, egocentric, perverted, macho and a total badass.
If anything I think 2K gearbox is the only Dev that came close to Duke with Borderlands. Now lots of people don't like it but I like it the way it is. All the other devs would make this game just another boring war game with some mild lyrics. I am not saying all the other games are boring but Duke is meant to be the way it is at the moment. Plain stupid funny entertaining and freaking gore and perverted. lol and I dont think any other Dev would dare to do those things.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:33:07 PM
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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:48:36 PM
sha4dowknight05
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:43:40 PM
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solidsnakins
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:56:59 PM
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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:15:48 PM
No need to go all over how it's the worst idea in the world blah blah blah.
Seriously, some people need to shut the F down. I respect your love for Demon's Souls and White Knight Chronicles Lotus, but you're acting like an arrogant a-hole with this Duke Nukem fiasco.
Excelsior1
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 5:21:34 PM
Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:41:47 PM
Never said i enjoy the game (I may do enjoy it, though, if you care, read my review)...and stated over and over that i am balancing things out because some still enjoy it or believe. Too much negativity isn't a good thing.
Again, i have not challenged any review of DNF here...
But, hey, i'm the one that's supposed to be delusional.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:38:55 PM
In your first post, you called what I wrote stupid. You asked if it was a joke. Later you said it was absurd. You hinted that PSXE won't ever be trusted again because of its DNF review. You said, "I find that funny." You linked to someone who "knows what he's talking about" with the obvious implication that I don't.
Stop backtracking, be a man, and just accept that you overreacted with your characteristic MASSIVE ego.
Lotusflow3r
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:49:42 AM
It just seems your the one unable to deal with being wrong.
AGAIN, i was laughing at this editorial, not your review (even IF i may not agree with any point of it ).
You took my words "i find that funny" in a negative sense...was that me agreeing when i said that? If anything, finding it funny hints more at laughing at that notion...but you read it otherwise...which again paints you as unsure of your own thoughts.
You're the one getting defensive, not me. I'm just correcting absurdities that you accused me of which would get me banned if i had done the same to you...you're reading too much into my writings because you may be insecure of your own editorials or whatever. You're just outright labelling me and making up scenarios about me.
And back-tracking? How am i? Please help me out there. If anything i doubly labelled this editorial with negative descriptions in follow up posts...surely i am still going forward.
Yes, a massive ego...ok, Ben.
Nlayer
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:18:41 AM
Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:47:20 PM
teus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:33:36 PM
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keep in mind that this game is exactly how george envisioned the game to be down to every last detail... gearbox just finished it so it can be released.. and from what i understand randy does plan on doing another duke game,
Nlayer
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:28:02 AM
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Anyways, I'd give DNF a 7 to 8 out of 10. That's my personal view on the game. I hope GearBox knows that a lot of people actually enjoyed the game. =/
Lotusflow3r
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:12:22 PM
Anyway, that's all i tried to say regarding DNF lol that people are enjoying it and don't undestand the hate, so i offered alternative independent reviews for example. They see it as unjustified. I guess that video i posted hit home a bit lol.
As soon as i platinum the game and reach at LEAST level 25 in multiplayer, i think then i will have a solid opinion on DNF to write a detailed review and post it to many outlets.
Geobaldi
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 7:03:30 AM

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