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Hey Guerrilla, Take The Duke And Fix Him

Duke Nukem Forever was a mess. A travesty. But I've decided that Duke doesn't deserve to go out like this and after hearing Kamiya volunteer for the Devil May Cry reboot, I got to thinking...

Who can resurrect Duke? Who can raise him from the TKO he just suffered? If anyone can do it, it's Killzone developer Guerrilla. They could add that intensity and brutality we love in the KZ franchise and no, I'm not recommending a complete change in style for the Duke. The brawny, sunglasses-wearing hero is all about lewd, crude, over-the-top cockiness. And we can keep that, but I still think if we're going all out, we should add some blood and gore. Keep the strippers and the cheesiness; just add in some of that patented Guerrilla flair.

Of course, other competent FPS developers could give Duke his just due. DICE and Infinity Ward come to mind, as does Insomniac. I only list the latter because their experience with the Ratchet & Clank series means they're familiar with the term "lighthearted," and they could create a brutal yet comical Duke title. Does anyone else have any bright ideas? And don't say Valve unless you add the caveat that they make a new engine for the game; if they use that archaic Source engine, Duke will just remain mired in the past.

I'm still miffed at the whole DNF fiasco. I was willing to tolerate so much, but that was just...horrid.

6/17/2011 Ben Dutka

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556pineapple
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:36:24 PM
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Provided with the new engine you speak of, I actually believe Valve could do a great job with it. Just look at Team Fortress 2. Gory yet lighthearted. Also, very, very fun. That's one game I really like to play online because it's just not meant to be taken seriously, like a lot of people treat CoD. Going for that style, I think they could give Duke the treatment he deserves.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:07:57 PM

I don't think so... TF is silly and lighthearted like you said. Duke is not. Duke is funny but it is not a *lighthearted* funny. More like a dark creepy evil perverted funny. I don't think anything valve did comes alongside the same thinking wavelength as Duke Nukem.

Last thing I want to see is the Duke going soft.

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manofchao5
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:04:04 PM

guerilla, dice or insomniac is good or even them altogether would make a great game, but if infinity touches it and turns it into mass produced shit, i would have a stroke and then sue them for it

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gray_eagle
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:40:09 PM
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my fav dev, R*, or maby SuckerPunch.
i've never played a Duke Nukem game or tried DNF. just going by what i read here at psx, imo, DNF was a slap in the face to Duke fans.

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SayWord
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:05:15 PM

I'm a duke fan and I really enjoy duke nukem forever!

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Geobaldi
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:35:53 AM

As am I SayWord. It's nowhere near as bad as the media says it is. Even Metacritic says so as currently there is 68 more positive reviews then there are negative across all versions of the game.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:56:38 PM
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Why not Digital Extremes, or Starbreeze? The Darkness devs, I think could do justice on the violence, and the creativity they displayed with the tentacles... It could work. The thing is, anyone can do that vulgar humour, but working in old-school gameplay is something that no-one likes to do anymore. It does depend on the route that one wants to take as some developers are just more apt to work in certain ways.

Why not whoever did the Matt Hazard games, or People Can Fly? Give it to Remedy to give us a third-person Duke. They did well with Max Payne. Why not Vatra after they're done with SH: Downpour. Branch out their reach a little bit?
Peace.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:11:53 PM

Yeah those people from the Darkness might cut it. But I think gearbox is pretty good too. I really am enjoying the current new Duke. They only need to work on the graphics and load times. But I don't want them to make it any easier. The game is not broken and plays well. The monster truck drives pretty much like how you drive in GTA4 seriously.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:57:20 PM
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I'm sure Gearbox could make a good Duke game if they started from scratch. I had absolutely no expectations for DNF. No matter how talented the dev, its tough to work on a project that old. Gearbox just wanted to get the game out, and i understand that, but they could have made a great DN by scrapping everything and starting with a blank canvas.

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SayWord
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:07:07 PM
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If 2K do indeed have the rights to the duke nukem franchise as of now I'm sure gearbox could pull it off. The whole game was made by 3D realms. Love to see what gearbox could do.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:08:49 PM
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I said in Ben's "Platinum ready for DMC" article that Epic Games and People Can Fly would be best for Duke.

With Bulletstorm, they nailed the cockiness, over-the-top action and humour you'd see back in the day of Duke at his finest, and the game mechanics were pretty awesome too.

If you loved Duke back in the 90's, check out Bulletstorm, then tell me if I'm right or wrong in suggesting Epic and PCF should develop the next Duke game.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:43:59 AM

Very wrong. Bulletstorm is inspired by Duke, but a lot different too.

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mastiffchild
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:58:48 PM

Bulletstorm was a massive let down for PCF and not even in the same league as Painkiller while if DNF proved anything it's that he just doesn't WORK today and certainly not in gaming where storytelling is in it's stone ages and lacks anyone with the talent to do Duke subtly enough for today.

Along with the game play giving nothing to today's shooter OR Duke's memory I just felt DNF was a bit of a waste and was better left a massive joke which would have actually made a reinvention a better bet with JUST the rights rather than staying hamstrung with 3DR's messes and trying to fix clearly outdated level and character designs.

I WAS a DN an in the day but the day passed and PCF just moved DOWN the talent pole rather than up it and you'd first need a writer as good as Salinger to properly reinvent DN and that's without even thinking about differentiating the gameplay in today's shooter soaked market. Is there even ROOM for a better DN let alone the one we know and used to love?

It's a big, expensive job and I don't think there's enough money to be made in bothering.

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Pandacastro
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:19:44 PM
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Do 3D realms still make games? Can they bring the other Duke games on psn?

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:29:38 PM

They're still around, but after laying off all it's development staff in 2009, & with only about 35 employees now, they're nothing more than a shell of their former selves & have nothing in the can now to work on.

BTW, Gearbox bought the Duke Nukem franchise, so unless Gearbox want's 3D Realm's advice or help, then I doubt 3DR can do anything more that's Duke related.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:32:48 PM

Nope, they're shut down.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:53:03 PM

I stand corrected. Saint is correct here. They are apparently reduced to publisher status.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:21:31 PM
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I think Gearbox and 2K can do it easy provided they start from the ground up. I know expectations for Duke were high but let's not forget not all of Duke's games were great back in the day either.

I only hope DNF has the curiosity sales and fan sales enough to warrant them working on an all new venture that does exactly what everyone wanted from Duke. I maintain that there IS a way to bring him into this more serious age of gaming and still have him be awesome. We just need someone to do it, rather than polish up an old turd.

That said, I'm still having fun with aspects of DNF, it does have things that are just missing these days in your basic on-rails military shooters and such.

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mackid1993
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:23:05 PM
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DICE is definitely a good pick. They have put out lighthearted games in the past. Also, Starbreeze comes to mind as well as Raven.

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PorkChopGamer
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:44:43 PM

Starbreeze. Excellent choice.

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cLoudou
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:24:05 PM
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Valve, Insomniac or Gearbox.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:50:48 PM

Not Valve. Not the kind of studio suitable for Duke. Too classy yet old-school in a Half Life sense.

If Gearbox were to start from the ground up and bring Duke into the PS3 generation, then we might have something awesome.

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hellish_devil
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:28:50 PM
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Or 3D Realms can resurrect and do it as they did DNF, just release it before it seems outdated.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:39:00 PM
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Not Valve, they would take another 12 years to make one.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:40:16 PM
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Then the PS3 haters in the gaming "media" would just say the story sucks.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:53:41 PM
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I think Duke should just be laid to rest. Or come out as an arcade download like Serious Sam has now.

Duke is a throwback to 80's and early 90's stereotypes, which kids these days would not get.

I think it's time to bury the Duke or give him PSN and Live space with a quieter celebration of his comeback. This DNF review fiasco has almost become unbearable!!! Such high hopes for a fun game, even if it was archaic.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:05:16 PM

I disagree, satire is always relevant. If it stayed with the Duke 3D formula and hadn't gone on to be overly focused on the environmental aspects (which would have been a cool innovation in 1998) a refocus on all out action and what's happening today could make him great. The few references to Dead Space and Halo are hilarious, but there's got to be a more sustained rip against today's cultural norms and popular media. Pig Cops just aren't funny any more ya know? But plenty of other stuff is.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:38:04 PM

"kids" probably shouldn't be playing Duke Nukem anyway.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:48:58 PM

Or cod for that matter Jawknee, melts the brain.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:10:02 AM

Indeed.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:21:17 AM

You would be surprised what kids can catch on, that you think they wouldn't. And yes they shouldn't be playing it as well what Jawk said.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:06:09 PM
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Putting the high-res version of Duke 3D on PSN would make me very happy.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:54:01 PM

Me too.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:21:36 AM

Me 3.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:46:46 PM
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I agree Ben, I was talking about this in the review comments. I saw Starbreeze up above and thought that was a good ideas as well. Starbreeze took Riddick and stunned the gaming community! I have Dark Athena with Butcher Bay for the PS3 and they are great! This is not the end of Duke. Now more than ever there will be another Duke because any gamer/dev who loves Duke wants to do him justice.

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Palpatations911
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:01:43 AM
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Ben,

You're kinda saying the same thing about duke that I was saying about dungeon siege 3... The game hasn't really evolved much over the past decade, just like dungeon siege 3. I'm not going to sit here and call you butthurt over it like you did about me, but there is some irony in your article which I didn't bother reading because of your comment to me which I found quite rude. I think the title summarizes the entire article

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:09:04 AM

Terrible comparison.

DNF was a broken game. It actually kept the attitude of Duke - as I said in my review, if you had actually read it - so that was hardly the problem. It wasn't changed in any way.

You were just annoyed that DSIII wasn't anything like past DS games and came up with trivial reasons to hate it. ...I fail to see the similarity.

If you actually read articles before commenting, maybe you would make actual points.

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Ultimateps3king
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:08:30 AM
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Is warhawk still working and if it is I have all the maps and everything but there not on my game for some reason

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:25:50 AM

There are different rooms in the server list. Some do have all the maps available some don't. You need to read the room's descriptions on the side.

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Milonakis
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:27:23 AM
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Running with scissors is an excellent developer and has a lot of experience with comedy in their games AKA Postal 2. They could make a lighthearted yet still fantastic game. Still looking forward to postal 3 though.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 2:39:55 AM

Do you work as a mail-man in that game? LOL

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Geobaldi
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 4:57:07 AM

Postal 2 was bad but not quite as bad as the original. Postal 3 looks terrible too. And don't get me started on the sorry excuse of a movie that Uwe Boll made based on the series.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:29:26 AM
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Killzone's Rico anyone?

If they can capture that kind of acting in Duke Nukem style they have me sold.

Not a big FPS fan but even I liked some of the over the top DN flair. It was all about fun and blowing stuff up.

Guerilla has the graphics down, they can do a well scripted story, taking you through a coherent scene to another, and giving you a COMPLETE gameplay experience. Really some of the best display of what an FPS should be like.

Only problem is it being multiplat.

Nonetheless as long as Duke gets a just "next-gen" chance again we'll accept whoever it is. I don't think he'd fail twice.

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lateralus27
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:55:28 AM
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My bright idea is to agree with Ben.The KZ2/3 engine is grand and the thought of Duke on it makes me dizzy.I don't have a 360 so I don't care if it's a PS exclusive.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 2:38:29 AM
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I have a hard time believing a top developer would pick up a now-dead franchise; let alone Gurellia. Can you imagine the sales? They'd be poor indeed. I never played Duke so I don't see the reason behind ressurecting him :P

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___________
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:57:07 AM
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no offense but thats the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard!
GG would be the WORST devs for this series!
1 all they care about is graphics.
2 the graphics are so dark and gloomy so little color, dukes quite the opposite completley different tone!
3 there so serious, everything has to be realistic!
4 there again so heffed up on realism allot of dukes traits would go out the window!
amazing cool weapons, holowduke, and the ability to carry as many weapons as you want for example.
5 duke needs a chalky cheesy story, GG cant even do a normal war story, let alone a creative humorous cheesy story!
6 there games are always so short and linear again going against the series grain.
id much rather gearbox keep duke and give us another one then GG!
in fact i cant think of a worse developer to give the series to!

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:19:51 AM
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Is this a joke?

That is one of the most laughable things i have ever read here.

GG delivered another technically brilliant, but yet another military, generic shooter...the thing Duke opposes in theme. Its the exact opposite of Duke and Duke set out to antidote those kinds of games from us.

This is getting destroyed by people over at Gearbox site by people who like DNF and don't. I don't think i should link again lol.

People, even here, are enjoying DNF...they're confused at the reviews...why? Here's your answer...

This video is the definitive video/review on DNF. The best i have seen on the game and one that actually knows what he's talking about. http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Th2z0xT-X5s&feature=player_embedded#at=1535

MUST WATCH.

It even got Jon St Jon (voice of Duke) to comment on it!

This guys got balls of steel. Calls all out for talking crap on this game and challenges them aswell as giving the most fair look at the game too.

Another site posted that DNF highlighted all the crap talking reviewers of the industry that either unjustifiably marked it too high, or too low and posted all the names never to be trusted again....PSXE was listed lol I found that funny.

In response to this joke, IF DNF was a bad game and a failure, the most perfect studio to develop a Duke would be Gearbox...you know, considering they have many decade old ex 3D Realms staff on the team and Randy actually developed the Atomic Edition of DN3D....not to mention that Gearbox have developed Borderlands, a heavy hitting, crude, Duke inspired arse kicker...AND now Furious 4, another Duke inspired game with balls.

Anyway....My review is coming along nicely.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:33:28 AM

Oh yes, Borderlands and Duke are...so very similar in terms of theme and style. 'rolls eyes' And of course, Guerrilla can't make an FPS, but Gearbox can. Sure. Makes perfect sense.

Yes, a bunch of right-minded unbiased people at the Gearbox forums. Praise to high heaven when I say we shouldn't take Duke so seriously, but when reality hits, they can't handle it. Of course, the fact that I'm a big Duke fan, that I wanted DNF to be better more than ANYONE; that fact is tossed by the wayside because it doesn't fit in with their bashing agenda. I'm a fan but I hate it, so I don't count. ...and you APPLAUD these people? Has the "against the grain" trend you follow to a huge fault finally blinded you?

By the way, considering that just about every major source on earth gave DNF a score like mine or lower, none of them are ever to be "trusted" again. GameSpot gave it a 3. Guess they're out, too. ...but hey, what do we know? We're just stupid critics. We just don't "get it." It's "the people" who are the gaming geniuses, as always.

...wait, let me roll my eyes again.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:57:29 AM

Ha!

Yes, Borderlands is similar....Duke was also one of Randy's inspirations for it and wanted "the Duke tone". Care to argue with him? Your arrogance is getting a bit silly Ben. This "write up" is hilarious and ill informed.

At the Gearbox forums, people are FAR from bias, people are split right down the middle on Duke...however, they are educated enough on it to know what's venom and stupid, the latter being this editorial. Only some prased your Why So Serious write up...as i said, split. This editorial is all around slammed and laughed at.

You say you're Duke fan and post this? Didnt you also say that DNF should be a total run and gunner like it's predecessor? Something it's predecessor is not?

I could argue you easily as long as you like, Benjamin, but i could just link you this, your own editorial, each time and be done with it. You really surprised me with this one....and it's funny you chose a PS3 exclusive aswell...is this to impress the people at the PSblog again? I don't know.

Anyway, the video posted says it all and answers you for me about why we call stupidity on such "reviews".

I also wouldn't refer to you as a critic, i came to this site to see a more laid back approach to giving opinion on games....that's how i see it here....and that's all good btw.

Also, who here said GG can't make an FPS? the stupidity is that they could never do Duke...im still laughing.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:07:46 AM

My friend, the game is bad. You can all scream and cry about it, and pin blame on critics, and desperately try to point out that Duke is still Duke and that's all that matters...you can do all that.

The game is bad. It's so painful, everyone sees it. My mother would know it's bad.

And I really don't give a rat's ass what Randy said; find me ONE person who will sit down, play Borderlands, and then play DNF and go, "oh yeah, I see the resemblance." But seriously, believe what you will.

Write up your review, ignoring 99% of everything that's bad and trying to find justification where there isn't any. You were predisposed to liking the game from the get-go. There's no chance you wouldn't have liked it. Those are the ONLY people who think DNF is worth playing: those who went in with that mentality. Will you at least admit that it wouldn't have mattered how the game turned out? You HAVE to admit it; the game is awful and you're on your self-righteous horse again.

I'm a fan. But I was a fan who was able to see it for what it was: a colossal failure. Don't worry, it was hard for me to accept, too.

And by the way, if you wish to continue insulting me by calling me "stupid," I would suggest not posting again. I don't appreciate that from someone who is so absurdly predictable, he obviously never has an original thought in his head.

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cLoudou
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:52:51 AM

Not only did he continually call you stupid, he called you....'Benjamin'. Them is fightin' words.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:35:52 PM

Of course he called me stupid. Anybody who doesn't agree with him is just an ignorant moron. He "gets" what DNF is supposed to be, but nobody else does.

So instead of just being a secure, mature individual and disagreeing respectfully: i.e., "Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is.

Got no problem with people liking Duke. Pretty sure World likes the game just fine but he doesn't go around ranting and raving about how the people who don't like the game are idiots. And I CERTAINLY never said gamers who enjoy DNF are idiots.

No, only the put-upon blinded fans are hostile. Ironically, they're the ones screaming about the "hostility" in reviews when in fact, there's no more hostility in any of those bad reviews than there is for ANY game that sucks.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:13:09 PM

Lotus, you're being delusional. DNF failed...and just because Guerilla made a military type shooter doesn't mean they don't have the artistic flair to pull off an over the top shooter like DN.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:23:30 PM

GG can't do a DN game? I don't know they never tried, I wouldn't go around saying they can't if they haven't even tried doing one, developers can surprise even the most harsh critics.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 4:29:53 PM

I feel like most the people who bought it and wanted it to be good, are let down but feel like they have to defend it. I don't know I havnt played it yet, my roomate just got it so we will see, I'm very open towards games so it's gotta be be pretty bad for me to say so.

If you like it for your own reasons that's one thing, and very acceptable. But just telling people their view of it is wrong, because yours are somehow more correct, that's just ridiculous.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:26:07 PM

Lol.

I'm being called delusional by people being delusional.

I never called people idiots for not liking the game.

Never called Ben stupid, rather, this editorial.

Never have i stated i like DNF or that i am having fun with it.

Instead, i am being bombarded with hostility for backing up a "broken game"...isn't that what i was accused of?

There's so much defensive behaviour from you Ben, you must be unsure of your own editorial.


Your putting words in my mouth..."anyone who doesn't agree with him is an ignorant moron" are you name calling these people because i have never said or given off any such hostility. Your getting defensive.
""Well, I'm having fun with it," he has to tear down everyone who isn't as "advanced" as he is." again, i never stated whether im having fun with it...and never torn down anyone else here about it...look back at your review thread, did i challenge it? As advanced as me? You're putting me in this light, i've not done anything to put anyone below me. You're getting defensive.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:36:42 PM

I'm not screaming about anything. I stated many times that i was merely balancing things out. It's just a game.
There you go again with the arrogance (something im accused of), challenging the designer of Borderlands on his own game. The game is loaded on 90s gunplay with adult humour.
My review isn't even written up and you claim i'm ignoring 99% of what's going on, where's the logic in that? Oh, right, i'm predictable. I will review it as any other game. If this game is shat, than that's my view....

I remain calling this editorial atrociously stupid...because it is. This editorial is not your view on the game, it's what you have said should happen to it...and it's astonishing. A laughing stock.
So no, stop being defensive/delusional, i didn't call you stupid...and whatever else you accuse me of.

Oh and my promised rebuttal - *Links your own editorial*

:)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:36:46 PM

Right. Saying what I wrote is idiotic and stupid isn't the same thing as calling me stupid.

...way to split hairs on that one.

But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:45:05 PM

Well outside of all this triviality, I think Borderlands is much closer in *style* and *approach* to Duke Nukem than any other recent gen titles. Not in story or gameplay but just the vibe it lets off.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:12:20 PM

That's because it's basically the only non-military shooter anybody even knows.

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Neo_Aeon666
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 7:11:26 AM

yeah I guess so but not only that. Like the attitude of the characters. They look like badasses who don't care and the way they speak and things they do. The story is also silly but there is a lot of gore (even if cartoony). I know in the core they don't look like each other Borderlands being mainly a shooter rpg but in the attitude I am pretty sure they are the most alike.

Borderlands is still softer than Duke but if you played it... Don't you remember all the things the bosses said and all the stuff we could do and the dark humor and art everywhere and sexual innuendos? That is the reason why I think they are similar in attitude and vibe. Since they already had the guts to go that direction I would think they would be well suited to do the sequel. They messed up a bit and we can't deny it but I still find it lotsa fun and I hope they do one more and fix it all.

On that matter I think bulletstorm devs would do good also. I just don't want Duke to have to start comboing and juggling monsters XD

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Lotusflow3r
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:52:58 AM

"Right. Saying what I wrote is idiotic and stupid isn't the same thing as calling me stupid." ...lol no it's not, Ben. Oscar Wilde wrote awful things about women, but he's renowned for his intellect....and no, Ben, i am not comparing you to a great poet...merely making a point.

"But whatever. You know more than everyone, so make sure we all read your editorial so we can be educated. One guess- you've never admitted you've been wrong about anything in your entire life, have you?" ....Have you?

"That's because it's basically the only non-military shooter anybody even knows."
Half Life 2
Quake 4
Bulletstorm
Resistance
Wolfenstien
Prey
FEAR
Timeshift
Singularity

All well known and none military. All but one (if that) have no relation to Duke. Borderlands does...take your own advice and "admit it".

*links your own editorial*

Neo - You see the obvious....no reply to that though because it means owning up to being wrong.

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Serakek
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:13:19 AM
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I believe that Gearbox can make a good Duke Nukem game, but they have to build it from scratch. Broussard and 3DRealms royally screwed this game up, Gearbox polished it the best they could and shipped it. As the old saying goes "You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd".

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BTNwarrior
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:00:55 AM
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the guys who made singularity know how to pull off a good fps, why don't we let them take a crack at it

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Excelsior1
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:41:42 PM
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i don't think gg is a good fit for duke. they arre kind of dry and technical which is the exact opposite of duke.

gearbox seems like a good fit. it just does not look like they put a whole lot of time into this game. most projects with troubled developement cycles often run into this problem of not meeting expectations. there a reason dnf did not get released over those 12 yrs. it wasn't good enough.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:59:19 PM
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Well for one I do not think any Dev can fix Duke Nukem if we are looking at all the other current games out this gen. None of them dared to put all the crap they put in Duke Nukem. Dood did you ever see another game published in america where your main character starts off by getting his thing blowed. Or a game that has females put in a very weird situations revolving around tentacles. Or a game that had all those freaking dark funny stupid comments.

NO. They all lack the balls to do so and they all fear the ESRB ( Heck I wonder how this new Duke got past the ESRB without AO rating ). If any other Dev takes Duke Nukem the game might have better graphics but it will become a soft Duke, *lighthearted*, boring. Duke is not silly. Duke is violent, egocentric, perverted, macho and a total badass.

If anything I think 2K gearbox is the only Dev that came close to Duke with Borderlands. Now lots of people don't like it but I like it the way it is. All the other devs would make this game just another boring war game with some mild lyrics. I am not saying all the other games are boring but Duke is meant to be the way it is at the moment. Plain stupid funny entertaining and freaking gore and perverted. lol and I dont think any other Dev would dare to do those things.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:33:07 PM
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I was fair to the Duke with my 6.5

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:48:36 PM

That's very fair.

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thj_1980
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:43:40 PM
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It would have to be a Playstation exclusive then.

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solidsnakins
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 1:56:59 PM
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I rarely post comments here, but i read almost every article this site post's. But the guy bashing Ben for writing a negative review on a game is just ridiculous, GET OVER IT!. I enjoy the articles but i rarely read reviews. I don't know why people let reviews affect their decision making so heavily. I buy a game because i want to play it, if you like something that someone else doesn't who cares. I am actually enjoying DNF and disagree with what the reviewers are saying, i don't think it should be a 3, but its no where close to a 10. It should be a 6 maybe 7. On topic i think gearbox could have done better with a fresh start, GG might have done better, insomniac would be an interesting choice as well.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:15:48 PM

Some people are just delusional solidsnakins. Ben's idea was just that...an idea.

No need to go all over how it's the worst idea in the world blah blah blah.

Seriously, some people need to shut the F down. I respect your love for Demon's Souls and White Knight Chronicles Lotus, but you're acting like an arrogant a-hole with this Duke Nukem fiasco.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 5:21:34 PM

i've never seen such a low scoring game defended so much by a select few. it would be like me trying to argue nuaghty bear was great when it got a 3.8 i think. i mean i get it. it's nostalgia.

if some people enjoyed the game good for them.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 7:41:47 PM

I have never challenged Bens review. Others have, i haven't. I have called out Venom filled reviews, though...and i never linked Ben's review to that. I believe my own words to his review were "i echo much of what Ben has said".

Never said i enjoy the game (I may do enjoy it, though, if you care, read my review)...and stated over and over that i am balancing things out because some still enjoy it or believe. Too much negativity isn't a good thing.

Again, i have not challenged any review of DNF here...

But, hey, i'm the one that's supposed to be delusional.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:38:55 PM

Lotus, stop desperately trying to defend yourself. It's pathetic.

In your first post, you called what I wrote stupid. You asked if it was a joke. Later you said it was absurd. You hinted that PSXE won't ever be trusted again because of its DNF review. You said, "I find that funny." You linked to someone who "knows what he's talking about" with the obvious implication that I don't.

Stop backtracking, be a man, and just accept that you overreacted with your characteristic MASSIVE ego.

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Lotusflow3r
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:49:42 AM

I hear discriptions of yourself with your words for me, Ben.

It just seems your the one unable to deal with being wrong.
AGAIN, i was laughing at this editorial, not your review (even IF i may not agree with any point of it ).

You took my words "i find that funny" in a negative sense...was that me agreeing when i said that? If anything, finding it funny hints more at laughing at that notion...but you read it otherwise...which again paints you as unsure of your own thoughts.

You're the one getting defensive, not me. I'm just correcting absurdities that you accused me of which would get me banned if i had done the same to you...you're reading too much into my writings because you may be insecure of your own editorials or whatever. You're just outright labelling me and making up scenarios about me.

And back-tracking? How am i? Please help me out there. If anything i doubly labelled this editorial with negative descriptions in follow up posts...surely i am still going forward.

Yes, a massive ego...ok, Ben.

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Nlayer
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:18:41 AM

I honestly think that Ben has the larger Ego. But that's just me...But I am really enjoying reading this discussion between the two of you! =]

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Zorigo
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 5:18:02 PM
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Yeah Guerilla does seem like the types to do it. Either them or the guys behind Bulletstorm

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 8:47:20 PM

oh yah I forgot about bulletstorm. Well as long as you dont have to start jugling with your kills like in Bulletstorm it could be good. Their style fits.

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teus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:33:36 PM
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it strange the people who are playing it even those duke3d fans... are having a blast playing it.. a ton of reviewer are being harsh on the game comparing it to games of today... yet we knew months ago that it isnt going to look better than the current games...

keep in mind that this game is exactly how george envisioned the game to be down to every last detail... gearbox just finished it so it can be released.. and from what i understand randy does plan on doing another duke game,

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Nlayer
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:28:02 AM
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Interesting idea, but I'd like to see what GearBox can do by themselves this time around. I'm really enjoying DNF right now, it's very fun! All the people I know, fans or not, are also enjoying it immensely. I'm not sure why the critics hated it and I probably never will. At least most of the people playing the game enjoy it. Critic, fan, or regular player; we all have different tastes. For example, I didn't enjoy inFamous all that much even though a lot of people did. Does that make me wrong? No, it makes me different. Which we all are! I think Critics might have tried to review it too hard. If that even makes sense. But I guess that's their job.

Anyways, I'd give DNF a 7 to 8 out of 10. That's my personal view on the game. I hope GearBox knows that a lot of people actually enjoyed the game. =/

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:12:22 PM

Gearbox do know a lot of people enjoy the game and Randy said the "critics" will be held accountable. I agree.

Anyway, that's all i tried to say regarding DNF lol that people are enjoying it and don't undestand the hate, so i offered alternative independent reviews for example. They see it as unjustified. I guess that video i posted hit home a bit lol.

As soon as i platinum the game and reach at LEAST level 25 in multiplayer, i think then i will have a solid opinion on DNF to write a detailed review and post it to many outlets.

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 7:03:30 AM

Take Two has already stated that there will be more Duke Nukem in the future. So perhaps they will be able to do the game that Duke truly deserves. Though this one is still enjoyable.

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