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Ben's Week In Review: June 19

Well, obviously, it was the start of a new era for PSXE this week. We're happy it has begun. :)

Of COURSE you lost fans with DAII

I still say Dragon Age II is a great game, but the fact that it was sub-elite bugged me, and the fact that it lacked standard hardcore role-playing elements bugged me even more. One town, a complete lack of exploration, and we can only fully equip the lead character, which we also can't build from the ground up. The thing that confuses the hell out of me is why it was ever done in the first place. Why? BioWare knows RPGs. They know what the fans want. I'm sure they do. I'm just desperately trying to figure out how these design ideas succeeded...how in God's name did all these new features - or lack thereof - get approved?

How could they not know they'll be irritating their fans? It's just too bizarre. I can't figure it out at all. One could make the argument that they wanted to make a more "mainstream" game, but Dragon Age is very clearly for the hardcore, for the niche RPG lovers. Nobody in the mainstream/casual group will touch it, and a few more "action-y" elements won't change their minds. So why compromise the winning formula? I don't get it.

Yeah, you better keep Gears on the 360

Because it may be the last Xbox exclusive left that I care about. CliffyB says PlayStation 3 fans have "zero chance" of getting Gears of War and I'm just fine with that. If it went multiplatform, I'd probably ditch the 360 entirely. Well, I would if we found out the next Alan Wake would be on the PS3. As it is, the 360 gathers a sh** ton of dust; I have little to no reason to touch it, so by all means, let Microsoft keep Gears. As time goes on this generation, I have to question the reason to even own a 360; it seems so...superfluous at this point. Gears is enough of a reason for me to keep it, but other than that...

That being said, I'm sure I'll end up with the next Xbox, just because I really like having two platforms each generation. Eventually, one platform typically ends up being the dominant one in my entertainment center; a long time ago, that used to be something with "Nintendo" on the box. But for the past three generations, it has never been Nintendo and really, it has never really been close...

Personal gaming update

People can bi*** and whine all they want; Duke Nukem Forever blew. I wasn't about to torture myself any further. Dungeon Siege III was good, though, and I'm glad to finally have a decent old-school dungeon-crawler this generation. I also have to get going on F.E.A.R. 3 for next week and I have high expectations for that one. However, that's all work-related; I really just want to get back to inFamous 2. That game rules and it's painful to be away from it for so long!

And yes, the PSX Home Show is here and we hope you've seen it. Don't worry, more are coming - Episode 2 might be up for this Thursday - and as I said earlier, we're making that PSXE party a routine thing for every debut of a new show. We'll be sure to keep you informed right here, and don't forget about the possibility of more giveaways. Maybe a "bring a friend to the PSXE Show, and be entered to win" deal...

But anyway, hope everyone is satisfied and at least a little excited for the future. :)

6/18/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (165 posts)

Riku994
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:53:53 PM
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I wanna give DS3 a try if it really is like Champions...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 9:55:09 PM
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Yup, DAII had its shining moments but overall it was tedious, claustrophobic, too actiony, and ultimately without a point. DAIII is now a a wait and see. If they don't bring back a traversable world and the old fighting mechanic I will reduce it to bargain bin status and weep softly into a pillow at the death of another promising RPG franchise because of the "faster and dumber" approach, to quote Ben.

Yeah Duke is pretty bad, but it's not without it's old school charm. I really do hope this game doesn't finally kill off Duke Nukem. He deserves better and deserves a real comeback title. Make it happen Gearbox, do it as an apology for releasing that game.

I'll beat Duke at some point because I just have to. I'm also playing and loving Alice: Madness Returns. So glad I didn't cancel that preorder. The game doesn't deserve a lot of the low scores, it's just a dated style of action adventure but it's still really good.

Recieved Mirrors Edge and I've got Dissidia 012 on the way, add my backlog to that and I'll be plenty busy until WKC2 arrives.

Reading Moby Dick again, I don't think it's supposed to be as funny as I find it but I love Ishmael's commentary and Queequeg's bizarre behavior. The book just cracks me up.
This time I'm going through with a highlighter to pick out the best quotes.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:45:42 PM

I liked Moby Dick but there's one part where Melville just goes WAY too far describing the whole whaling process.

Nobody ever needs to know that much about whaling. Not even for the purpose of the book. 'yawn'

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:23:12 PM

yeah I remember that part, it's pretty well skippable.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:41:25 PM

If you liked Dissidia World, you're really going to like Dissidia 2. Especially Lightening and Tifa.

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Palpatations911
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 12:31:01 AM

Your friends can't use their characters or collect loot when playing multiplayer in DS3

For a game that is best experienced with friends, that really hurts the game.

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Danny007
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:10:31 PM
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I got to hand it to you Ben. You really told it like it is in this Week In Review.

By the way, I really want to know when the Hero Edition of Infamous 2 is going to be on sale on Amazon. I'm just a few dollars short of buying it at its current price of 94.99

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Riku994
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:17:12 PM

It's on sale at EB Games...? :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:32:10 PM

Don't wait too long, they may just run out.

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johnld
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:51:21 PM

i dunno world, killzone 3 helgast edition went down to 60 at frys within a month. they still have helgast editions there for 50 bucks right now.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:25:16 PM

You're probably right but I don't know how the inFamous 2 sales will shake out. Killzone just can't seem to get its just dues or the sales it deserves. The same is probably true of inFamous.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:35:36 PM

I will never understand why these games aren't given their due credit. I had to check out Metacretic, inFamous 2 got an 83 while inFamous 1 got an 85. I'm not sure what these "better" games are that people are playing. I'm pretty sure they don't exist. If I were to review inFamous, I would give it a 9/10 and inFamous 2 a 9.5/10. These games are just brilliant. Haters are going to hate I guess.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:13:53 AM

Tell me about it Jawknee, inFamous is just WAY too good. I'd like to know how games can get more highly rated. They're both incredibly solid, and just about the most fun I've ever had with a game.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:01:56 PM

I agree with you jawknee and lawless. Jawknee and I have been talking bout it over PSN and both games are just so well done and inFAMOUS 2 improved in all areas over the first. Such good games again not getting their just due. But that's fine because I enjoyed the crap out of both and even after finishing i2 a couple days ago am still addicted to the solid yet very fun gameplay.

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matt99
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:11:09 PM
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I got into a bit of a debate with a friend the other day when I said MS completely dropped the ball with the 360 and that it's kinda pointless to own one, and the only comeback he had was "well the ps3 has terrible network security". I laughed.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:24:10 PM

You should of said, "At least the PS3 has games. Where is the rest of the 360 line up? " :P

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Claire C
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:36:12 PM

Or, "what are you on, like your 6th 360?" =)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:48:33 PM

It's always strange to me how the argument of the 360 fanboy never, EVER seems to be about the actual games.

...odd, I thought that's why we all did this.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:40:06 PM

I think it's because 360 fanboy's care more about who has the bigger junk than they do about games. Funny how your friend failed to realize LIVE has been hacked a number of times. We just didn't hear as much about it because the gaming media is stuck on MS's nuts.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:53:47 AM

Trying to talk games with any fanboy is pointless. Fanboys are very much mired in ignorance. It's almost as if praising another system without a side note(Alan Wake is good, but those stupid Xbots didn't appreciate it or PSN is good, but those Sony guys never use mics. It's like a ghost town.)somehow diminishes their favorite system, which is tantamount to diminishing them as a person.

For games, I could point out the mental toughness it takes to best a Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn or Zak and Wiki; the great art design and gameplay of a Sin and Punishment 2: Star Successor or Muramasa: The Demon Blade; the platforming masterpieces of Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and New Super Mario Bros. Wii; the endearing nature of a Little King's Story or A Boy and his Blob or Kirby's Epic Yarn; the amazing atomosphere of a Fragile Dreams - Farewell Ruins of The Moon or Monster Hunter Tri; the countless lost hours in Rune Factory: Frontier or Animal Crossing: City Folk; or the twisted fun insanity of a Warioware: Smooth Moves, which has you shaving a guy's beard in one instant, fanning a giant robot off the side of a mountain the next, and picking a giant nose the following. Now, is pointing out those games to change one's view of the Wii? Is it going to validate it in any way? Of course not. If the Wii is deemed crap, then crap it must be.

I could point out the great RPGs the 360 has in Fable 2 and 3, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2, Too Human, Tales of Vesperia, and Infinite Undiscovery. The greatness of Alan Wake. Great snowboarding in Amped 3 and Stoked: Big Air Edition. Shmups like DeathSmiles 1 and 2. Great XBLA stuff like Limbo, Super Meat Boy, Comic Jumper, Trials HD, Shadow Complex and Ilomilo. Quirky, off the wall titles, like Deadly Premonition, Earth Defense Force 2017, Viva Pinata and Operation: Darkness. The craziness of a Condemned: Criminal Origins and Ninja Blade. Strategy gems like Halo Wars and Culdcept Saga. Or you could delve deep into why Halo: Reach with Forge is the best console fps multiplayer around. But listing those doesn't make the 360 more attractive to anyone that has already said they don't want one or make anyone have any more respect for the system.

So if you read all that and didn't say. "Hm. Maybe i should check some of those out." then my point is made. Debating games is futile.

PGU: Record of Agarest War Zero with a light dusting of inFamous 2.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:18:16 AM

I'll admit Porky, that some of the Wii games are very interesting indeed. However, not everyone is enamoured by the motion controls, and while some of them may be playable on the classic controller, not all of them are. As for the 360, as I've stated countless times, I'd love to play Gears and Alan Wake, hell I'd even be willing to throw Vesperia and Lost Odyssey up there, but that's all. For me, that simply isn't enough to warrant spending $450AUD on, especially when looking at the line-up going forward.

That being said, I'll admit that I can be something of a fanboy, but at least I'm willing to see the merits of a system, even if I choose not to acknowledge them. That being said, the above discussion was more about the people themselves, rather than the system or its games, and I have to agree with the others. I haven't yet had a 'discussion' with an 360-only owner that didn't result in their falling back on what the system has that the PS3 doesn't rather than the games on offer, simply because the *blockbuster* line-up isn't comparable. You can list second and third rate titles all you like, but when you choose to talk about the known quantities, the titles that everyone knows and the highest rated exclusives out there, there is no comparison whatsoever.
Peace.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:48:23 AM

Right, you can't compare them. But, not in the way that you are implying, with superiority being on the PS3's side in every instance. How do you compare Gears and Uncharted? Their aims are polar opposites. How do you compare Heavy Rain and what some deem it's counterpart, Alan Wake? Two entirely different games. Same with Halo vs Killzone.

And honestly, even if you were debate them, how could your mind be changed? You like Uncharted and what's important to you in that game (characters, gameplay, graphics) may not be important to another gamer so Uncharted is not the gem to them as it is to you. But if they really love Gears, can they convince you it's better?

That was kind of my point. Even if it were to fall to a games debate, it's futile, so it's not a big deal that it never does.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:58:20 AM

And just because it's not a known quantity does not mean that it a 'second and third rate' title. That's the fall back of the uninformed, friend. Like 'I don't like the PS3 because I don't like Uncharted or God of War', 'I don't like the Wii because I don't like Mario or Zelda.', or 'I don't like the 360 because I don't like Gears or Halo.' I hear that a lot and the only response I can give is that each has much more to offer than what's dubbed 'best', 'well-known' or 'elite'.

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Kevin5
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 4:51:01 AM

@matt99,

The 360 is kinda pointless to own? Are you a comedian by any chance? It's your opinion so i'll let you off my whinge radar but imo i find the 360 a great console personally. Your friend has a point, SONY's online service isn't that great but hey it's free so i won't complain.....

The exclusives are good ones to me; Dead or Alive 4, the original Dead Rising, Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, Gears of War, Forza, Alan Wake, the original Mass Effect & the love for arcade fighting games that Xbox Live have available at the moment really makes me proud to own one. The PS3 is also a great console with great exclusives, they both are good actually.

& seriously, a fanboy is a fanboy; PS3 gimps are just as bad as xbots, so don't kid yourself & group hug one another like a team, PS3 fanboys are just as bad on 360 only sites & vice versa. It's a disease & no matter what platform your tongue is planted too, fanboys will act like fanboys. We really do need a cure one of these days. I know this is a SONY site, but open a window & clear the fog, just because within the confines of this Playstation love circle you see some xbots about, doesn't mean they're the only ones that god breeds. I know it's difficult, but let's quit the monkey logic.

PGU: I played Duke Nukem, wish i didn't but i did, & yeah i reckon the game stinks but i know alot of Duke fans that will defend it. Cute for them. I've also been playing some Alice: Madness Returns & i'm loving it. The art style is great & the game is a genuine surprise to me.

I am also hugely anticipating that Silent Hill collection, Dead Island & the new Tomb Raider, Among many others.

This year will hurt my bank balance.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 4:59:21 AM

Porkchop,
I agree with most of your first comment. What one person finds appealing doesn't necessarily fall in line with what another person would. As for comparing games, it really does depend on the games in question. I, for example, do think that it is fair to compare Halo with Killzone. Both are sci-fi FPS games, and even though the style of gameplay that you are asked to utilise is different the fundamental elements remain very similar. The other two I will gladly agree upon though.

As for your second comment, would you really consider Amped, Condemned, Earth Defence Force, Too Human or Viva Pinata to be AAA titles? While they may not be terrible titles, they simply can't match up to the big names and that is why I consider them second rate, not necessarily because they're less well known. Quality does very much play a role in the choices of many a gamer.

Finally, at no point did I mean to imply that the PS3 is superior in every way. The games may not align, but in terms of sheer number and diversity of the high class titles, it is indisputable that the PS3 wins out. That is what I meant with my post.

Kevin,
Y'know, it's funny. Civility reigns here, I think because most people have fairly similar tastes and ideals, but taking a look around the internet at sites that deal with all consoles, you'll quickly find flame wars on damn near every article coming from all sides of the fence. It's quite sad really that it isn't ended more quickly by the moderators. Even with the size of sites such as IGN and CVG, it should be more than possible to stamp out the rampant BS that seems to be carried on almost constantly. But yeah, you're definitely right about culprits springing from every direction, and that it needs to end somehow. It's ultimately pointless to carry brand loyalty to the point that you're willing to actively jump up and down and carry on like a braindead lunatic just to get across the OPINION that your choice is better than anothers. Ah well. That's society for ya...
Peace.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:23:59 AM

Well, Lawless, I read for the second that you think that Forza 3 is a second-rate simulator with what I percieve is minimal play time. So, I'm not sure how you can say such a thing without significant time on the controller, but if it works for you to keep repeating it, good on you.

As far as my picks, none of them are AAA, but they are all great. But when did I compare them to AAA titles? You're acting as if it's not elite, then it's not worth mentioning, and as a gamer, that's a strange thing to say.

Like i said before, and stick by, all three systems have great games. Delving title by title to say 'Look! See! We got THIS one! You don't!' is for fanboys who need to assure themselves constantly that their decision is right and superior. I don't need to do that at all.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:53:34 AM

live was not hacked in the same way psn where EVERY account was lost. the xbox live accounts were taken over by obtaining info from the isp's, and other third partys. it wasn't live itself that was hacked but rather a third party. totally diferent kind of hack that only affected a small number of accounts.

listen the 360 has some good games and its not to blame everytime a sony exclusive gets a score that's lower than what ps3 fans expect. to use one of ben's phrases, i think there are a lot of butthurt ps3 fans that like blame ms for every single problem sony has had. a game gets a slightly lower score...it's becuase of xbox fans. nobody's talking about the games themselves. it's a vast conspiracy against sony.

PORKCHOP makes a lot of good points. i would love to play gears, lost oddessy, aw, crackdown, and halo. i don't have a 360, but i'm not stupid enough to say the 360 has no games. it didn't get where it did by not having games.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:23:25 AM

Ah, Porkchop, I'm afraid that you misjudge my intent. I will admit that my time with Forza 3 is not as great as I would like it to be, but it is clear that the simulation aspects are not near as accurate as GT5, though as I have stated, it is infinitely more playable as a game. I have stated that each time, and I stand by it, which makes me believe that you are simply trying to pick apart my previous statements to find an argument. A most unsavoury tactic.

I believe that we are operating on different wavelengths as to the AAA ideal. To quote yourself - "And just because it's not a known quantity does not mean that it a 'second and third rate' title". In my eyes, AAA is the absolute top-tier of development, and as such anything below that is to be considered second rate. That is how I came to the, admittedly wrong, conclusion that you were comparing them.

Perhaps I should have clarified that in my initial post, as I feel that it is a simple misunderstanding on both parts. I said that each of them was worth taking note of, but that they are of a lower quality standard, and most gamers will simply glance over them were they to see them upon the shelf. Time is precious, and most people have not enough of it, nor money, to try out every title. That being said, I'll gladly purchase lesser titles after a considerable price drop if they interest me. I meant only to take the view of the average gamer in this respect.

If you have plans to continue this discussion, I welcome it, though I must soon go to sleep. By all means, post and I will get back to you in the morning, if I have time, or tomorrow afternoon.
Peace.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:57:00 AM

That was a joke by the way, if you can't take a joke you guys need to take a chill pill.

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Temjin001
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:02:00 AM

But Clamedus, Ninja Blade, Blue Dragon and Too Human are quite possibly, and not to mention arguably, some of the greatest games of all time.

All of which are third only to Haze and Lair.

=p

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:08:26 AM

Excelsior, accounts have been stolen from MS. You need to get your facts straight. Granted it wasn't on the same scale but it did happen. Also Sony was targeted for malicious reasons. Just because it hasent happened to MS on the same scale doesn't mean it can't happen especially given their poor track record when it comes to security.

Kevin, seriously, where do you get off lecturing anyone with your smug and self righteous attitude? As Lawless said, civility reigns here and it's obviously something you lack. Ben was the one who initially said it's becoming pointless to own an Xbox as this gen moves on. Why didn't you take issue with what he said? Are to you much of a coward to confront Ben, so instead you have to attack a commentors for having a different opinion than you do? Knock it off, your posts are irritating to read.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:26:36 AM

Lol Temjin. xD

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Temjin001
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:01:02 PM

But joking aside, I like you Porky, I do. But man, here's you and Lawless having a thoughtful discussion. That's good and all, but the evidence Porky. I mean, seriously. The greatness found in many of those games are few and far between, and if several of those games are to be considered "great" then you just as well consider 90% of every game released as great.
360 had about 3 great years for gamers like me. Between the better optimized multi-plats and the handful of timed exclusives, the momentum was in their favor for a while. But for those keeping score, with release dates and firsts aside, there's no denying the lineup MS has going forward to is anything but outstanding and especially disappointing by someone like myself.
In fact, they're being downright offensive with their KINECT front they're trying to pull over on everyone. Shame shame.

But to be agreeable to an extent. I understand what you're saying about the guarded emotional boundaries fans create for themselves in terms of dismissing what could be considered praiseworthy if only their hearts weren't hardened to the opposition.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:24:21 PM

Temjin,

The change of culture at MS is saddening. The old guard made an honest attempt to release good games. Now they are on cruise control. Now, I don't have a problem with Kinect, per se. I like the fact that MS supports the peripheral that 10 million people purchased. I'd like even more 'hardcore support', but it's not like great studios are a dime a dozen. Maybe they are gearing up some for their next system. I have no idea.

But you are speaking the truth, the gap between the 360 and PS3 is ever widening.

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Wissam
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:25:57 PM

Xbox = westernizing our good old games to become as popular as cod or GTA enough said. I would call it the worse console ever released in the market.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:17:38 PM

the attacks on live accounts were social engineering attacks involving taking ownership of someones id with another company(webhosts, email) and is a failing those companies security.
it has to be done on an individual bases, and is not considered a network hack.

to compare those tiny attacks on live to psn's 70 million accounts breached is nuts. not to mention the huge psn outage.


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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:43:38 PM

i did look it up. it's not like i'm making it up. those were not considered network hacks. if you took off your sony glassess you might see that. to compare those thousands of hacks to 70 million. jesus.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:47:52 PM

I am not going to argue with you out about this Excelsior as you seem to be impervious to simple facts and universal truths. To steal an analogy Temji used once, it's like trying to catch a rodent with my bare hands. I'm not talking about the "social engineering attacks" or whatever you want to call them. I have linked it before, I am not going to do it again. You're a big boy, you can go look it up for yourself. Xbox LIVE has indeed been hacked were personal data was stolen. Frankly, I am getting a sick and tired of you trying to carry the anti-Sony presses water. Please go regurgitate your propaganda else where.

Also, Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with this so watch your mouth.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:59:17 PM

Jawknee,
I believe he's referring to the current 'hack' which is actually just a bunch of login details from a whole bunch of sites, and no real way of knowing what password belong to which user. XBL included among them.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:14:31 PM

i don't want to argue either. i did look up the live hacks on google and all i could find were minor things like the social enginerering attacks that are employed to trick a third party into giving out info. i also found instances of phishing hacks on live where idiots gave out there info to get xbox live points. i couldn't find an instance where the network itself was hacked. i will keep looking though.

the bottom line is this. was live ever hacked in a way that disrupted service? no. they did have an outage for 14 days becuase of server overloads. that's a pretty big outage that i always try to bring up when debating with xbox fans, the funny thing is nobody remembers it.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:56:38 PM

I know what hes referring to. It's besides the point. The point is it has been hacked before, the severity aside, it has happened. The hack I am referring too happened a few years ago were personal data was indeed stolen.

Excelsior, I already said severity aside, LIVE has been breached in the same way just not on the same scale.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:29:04 PM

after going through 5 pages on google of xbox live hacks i can find no hack where live itself was penetrated and info was taken out of it. i certainly can't find evidence of a hack that cuased any outage. i can't find a hack that occurred the same way sony's did. firewalls were not breached and info taken out.

i think the less said about hacks the better for sony and ms. although i think ms track record with live security has been better than sony's with psn where they lost info on EVERY single account they had. i just don't think those small in scope hacks on ms are a valid comparison to sony's extensive breach.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:34:25 PM

First of all I never said it caused an outage. Secondly this wasn't that hard to find. My point still stands. LIVE has been hacked and peoples accounts were compromised.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen/131


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SympoziumPawa
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:56:16 PM

i don't know....Its an endless cycle are they really gamers? is it a trend?

So I heard someone in college saying the Playstation 3 is for nerds. Fanboys? no its a new breed following sports that have been born since the fated popularity of the games industry, EA sports and Call of Duty.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:56:53 PM

not saying it didn't happen but it must have been small in scale. i stand by my statement. ms hacks tiny in comparison to sony's. i think i have no more to say on the matter unless this link shows a big breach in live itself then i concede it did happen but my god it's burried in the internet.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:55:06 PM

Excelsior, you seem to be trying to argue against a point I never made in the first place for the sake of starting and argument. The only point I made was that LIVE has been hacked before and peoples info was compromised and/or stolen. I never said it was on par or on the same scale as the PSN hack. Only that it has happened and can happened again at anytime to anyone. Now just drop it and move on. This conversation s boring the hell out of me.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:41:18 PM

you were the one that said live has been hacked a number of times. i just pointed out that most of those were different kinds of hacks and not the same extent. i don't even know what we are arguing about but you always have to have the last word. tiny hacks vs every account lost.

i know that's a bummer for people that have sony goggles on. to use one of your phrases. man up and deal with the fact there is no comparison between small isolated hacks vs an entire network hack on psn that cuased sony to loose data on every account they had. live has never been knocked down by hackers.

this reminds me of when i said sony could be a class act but i thought jack trentton had made some rude comment that were almost greenburg like. you said i committed slander. all i said was i thought jacks qoute about the ds being a baby sitting tool and no self respecting 20 yr old would be caught with one was almost greenburg like in tone. yet, i got called out for expressing my opinion.

again, my opinion is most of those hacks on live were not network hacks, but social engineering hacks and are not to same extent or scale on live. i think we agree on the scale part of that at least. peace.





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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:56:24 PM

You are quite possibly one of the most insufferable and annoying commentators on this site. You just do not know when to quit.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 7:01:54 PM

btw, i find a lot of your posts equally irritating. especially when you make rude comments to people for just expressing an opinion or pointing out a different point of view. i forgot you are the one that thinks sony is perfect and pure. there are no bad multiplats, either. everything's just perfect.

you can't let things go either. a pattern you have displayed for awhile. you always have to have the last word.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:18:21 PM

good now the link is up the discussion can move forward. that zd.net one of 2007was one of the first ones i found on xbox live hacks. if you dig a little further though you will find that those were considered social engineering hacks where people tricked bungie.net(third party), and ms customer service(over the phone) into giving out info. i just don't consider that a network hack. you said ms was hacked in the same way sony was but link to non network hack in my humble opinion. that's what the debate is about. i don't live was hacked the same way sony was.

is tricking third party into disclosing info or getting ms customer service to do the same over the phone really considered a network hack? sure live accounts were comprimised, but was on an individual basis. not really the same as a network hack. i will concede live account were compromises, but not in the same way.


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Underdog15
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:23:49 PM

Actually, Excelsior, you could argue that Microsoft was hacked to a larger extent.

SOE experienced a few stolen card numbers, but that isn't PSN and they were numbers from a long time ago. Most of them are expired, in fact. PSN was fudged with and Sony took it offline almost immediately. However, PSN accounts themselves were never hacked and no one lost credit card info, etc. etc. And Credit Card Companies have acknowledged this. Also, the US government says Sony handled it perfectly and everyone else should follow their example.

Microsoft, on the other hand, while Live was only taken offline once for two weeks during a holiday season in 2007, has had -actual- accounts and financial info stolen. If you ask me, that indicates that hackers actually took customer info which to me is "to a greater extent" than Sony was hacked. Don't forget, most of Sony's downtime was self-imposed to provide a better overall product.

I'm just not jiving with Excelsior's arguments. Interesting enough, Excelsior, but I think perception plays too big a role in this one. To me, a hacked personal account is greater than a DDOS attack, for example.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:14:28 PM
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*claps for PSXE* Where's the new people at?

Haven't gotten around to Dragon Age yet. For some reason I just keep forgetting I have it, but with no new game purchases between now and Resistance, unless Deus Ex excites me yet more, I may just be able to get to it.

As I've said, the only reasons that I'd buy a 360 are for Gears and Alan Wake. With the sequel to the latter apparently not being published by Microsoft, it only makes me wonder why people keep supporting the 360. It has Forza, a second rate simulator, though slightly better game than GT. Halo, I personally think, is nothing special. But why would anyone pay full price for the Anniversary when the only real change is a graphical boost. The same may be said for the Classics HD sets, but they have more than one game and sell for halfprice. And Kinect... heh.

PU:
Still reading Emma, and loving it, though Emma's actually quite annoying at times.
Playing inFamous 2 at long last and LOVING IT! I'm blinded, but it is simply a fantastic game on every account. Very highly rated, and I can't wait to blitz it then go back to evil both back-to-back.
Playing KZ: Liberation on the PSP. It's kinda blah, but the graphics are good. Still, can't complain at $6.
Thanks Ben for putting my L.A. Noire review up so quickly, I was expecting to wait a day as usual. And, I'm done.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:34:19 PM

I tried to play Liberation too, I gave up after a few minutes, lol. Went back to Crimson Gem Saga.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:41:28 AM

It does get better World. Or maybe I've just gotten more used to it...

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:17:30 PM
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I don't understand Bioware's motives either concerning the direction of DA2. I was really wanting to become more involved with this franchise but the negativity, among a few other things, has warded me away. Which is fine, there's plenty of great games and other RPG's for me to play.

So Duke Nukem was fail to the king ;) Can't say I'm too surprised. My bro seemed to like it well enough, though, he did play it on PC, which handles itself marginally better, particularly in loading. I do know for myself I wont be playing or trying it.

As for Gears of War, whatever, Cliffy. I think you're being foolish to place all your eggs in MS's basket. Whether MS is treating you right, or not, there'd be big profit potential to place the 3 games on one BD and reap the sales of an easy conversion with the already in place UE3 PS3 engine. BUt I'm sure MS has padded your wallet nicely, as I don't see any other conclusion making more sense than that.

I'll also be on board with the Next-Box and PS4. Disclaimer: If the Next-Box is a gimmicky Kinect centric, bing talking, RRoD machine I may just hold out for the PS4. Wait and see. And the Wii U is out of the question. I romanticized the notion of one for a short time. But no more.

PGU: So been playing tons of Infamous 2. I've done a lot. With 74% trophy completion and only a hard play through with evil Cole holding me back from the Platinum at this point. Of the games I've played this year, Infamous 2 is in there with the top 3 most enjoyed.

I snagged FF13 from AMazon last night for 16.99 new, a free shipping with the book my wife got. I beat the game already but there's a lot I wanted to do yet. I read a FF13-2 feature in Game Informer. The new game sounds promising and I just can't get enough of Square's masterful art design. The series nearly sells me alone with it.





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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:55:53 AM

although i would like to see gears appear on the ps3 i understand why it won't. ms will market the hell out of gears3 for epic. that's a great deal for epic. i would not be surprised if it sells 10 million copies.

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Temjin001
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:19:25 AM

Gears 3 won't sell 10 million. You don't think Ice T is that popular do you? =p

At this point in the game, I don't think Gears on PS3 really matters, seeing that there's so many hot games to fill everyone's time today on the PS3 alone.

Gears would've been nice for PS3 gamers during the dryer slower '06 - '07 era, but for the coming months and years I'm sure it'd be regarded as a peripherally desired game by those who were at one time hopeful of a PS3 side release.

But if it did release in the coming year or two, I suppose guys looking for a reason to offload their Xbox would have one if Gears was their only attachment to the box.


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Shams
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:06:01 PM

Playing as evil Cole is so much fun. Fire striking enemies, than bioleeching the last man standing right off the knockdown, giving you temp unlimited charge, then decimating large enemies with a furious barrage of hell-fire rockets, never gets old.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:38:43 PM

maybe 10 million is reaching. but i think it's possible considering that gear of war 2 sold over 7 million copies back when there were a lot less 360's. it's a powerful 360 exclusive that has a lot of fans.

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Temjin001
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 8:56:01 PM

I started playing as evil too Master Shams.
I have to say I feel a bit uncomfortable thumping innocents with my Amp for exp points and a trophy.
The plot changes are a bit interesting, though.
Like how Kuo responds to you having blown up the village in the bayou.

@excelsior
It could happen. But I do have my doubts.

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TheCanadianGuy
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:24:27 PM
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would anyone else consider duke the let down of the generation or am i just being over dramatic ?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:31:04 PM

Oh, it's easily the biggest disappointment of the generation. WAY bigger than Haze.

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johnld
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:52:39 PM

from what i read they just released the game that was being made years ago instead of making the game their own.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:24:55 PM

Just depends on who you are I suppose. I never cared for Duke so I had no expectations about DNF. Resident Evil 5 was my biggest disappointment of this generation.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:08:32 AM

NOOO! Resi 5 was my first this-generation title! I loved that game so much..YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:18:57 AM

haha i liked RE5 as a straight up action game (not so much as a RE game) it was a huge let down compared to RE4 but thats considered 1 of the greatest game of all time so wasn't easy to live up to that. hopefully RE6 gets back towards what made RE4 ( & all the old school RE games) so amazing. ( night time. all alone. hell dogs jumping out of nowhere.)

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:27:37 AM

I could see how people could like RE5 if they accept it for just an action game but as a long time Resident Evil fan, since the first game on PS1, it was such a horrid Resident Evil. Capcom killed the franchise with that single installment.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:34:35 AM

Well, ya see I never liked resident evil..

Once I went down my mom's friends place, he was playing Resi 1. Bearing in mind I was 5 or so. Okay so he was playing the bit where he's in a room, with nothing but a bed and a wardrobe. He checks the room, nothing. Turns around and about to walk out...AND A FREAKIN ZOMBIE JUMPS OUT OF THE WARDROBE!!! I ran away and hid behind the sofa; I swear I was mentally scarred for life. :P

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:59:48 AM

BTW jawk what was your favorite RE game ? i'm a longtime fan to RE2 is my favorite. i was a little young to know how to play in 98 but i remember being scared $hitless watching my cousins play. it was also the first game i ever finished by my self few years later.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:09:33 AM

2 and 4 are my personal favorites.

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:44:10 AM

I liked RE5 a lot, but I know it isn't the RE game I really wanted.

I never played RE1. *cries*

Code Veronica I think was my favorite of the 'tank controlled' RE games. RE4 is great too. =>.>=

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:54:11 AM

If you have a Gamecube or a Wii the remake of the original Resider Evil is a must play.

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:56:49 AM

Oh, I have played the GC remake (although I don't remember it much), just not the original on PS1. My bad. Hee hee =)

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:05:59 PM

Gotcha, if you played and liked the remake there really is no need to play the PS1 version.

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:15:16 PM

2.3.4 are my favs i don't like any of the spinoffs especially the outbreak games those were god awful.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:33:11 PM

re5 was a big letdown for me, too. about the only part of that game i enjoyed was the boss fight with u83. i remember when my friends 7yr old nephew asked me why are the zombies riding motorcycles. that made me luagh, and its a pretty good question. re5 is not a terrible game, but it lost a lot of feel of past re games.

i loved re2, and re4 the most. re3 and code veronica were pretty good, too. code veronica had some brutal sections. i had to restart my game becuase i saved at a terrible time with low health. that part where steve burnside mutates and runs after you with that giant axe was tough. i couple of hits and you are dead. thank god i had enough health items. also that section with moths that keep respawning was tough becuase they could poison you. you had to backtrack through that area a lot. the best thing to do is run for your life and hope you don't get poisoned.
ah, re evil. so many great times.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:31:01 PM
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Everything you said about Dragon Age 2 was pitch-perfect. I bet DA2's worsening is from the desire to make it more like Mass Effect, and also because the developement time was kinda short.

With Gears the only thing I want to do is look at it because it's so pretty, but I don't want to play it.

I'm interested in Dungeon Siege 3. So many games are on the horizon though, it'll be hard to commit to a purchase. I've been playing lots of Infamous 2 (love the New Orleans lookin city!!!) and also Final Fantasy IX on PSP (I could kick myself in the head for not playing these back in the day).

I was thinking about picking up 1 or 2 more PSX classics and about Grandia and Legend of Mana in particular. I was curious what people thought of those two or any others they might recommend.

Thanks,
Claire =^.^=

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:41:16 PM

Grandia is a classic, it's a bit rough around the edges and a tad juvenile in tone but I had to buy it and it is good fun with a cool old battle system. Looks best on PSP of course. Grandia 2 and 3 are great too, I'd kill for a trilogy in HD. Never played Mana but Suikoden is pretty good, but a bit stiff compared to others in the series.

If I had to pick 2, it would be Grandia and Xenogears.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:46:55 PM

Never played LoM?!

Legend of Mana quite possibly features the most amazing hand-drawn artistry you'll ever see in a game. The gameplay itself wasn't too fantastic, IMO, but the beauty of that colorful 2D world is more than enough to warrant a look. :)

Grandia is technically a better overall game, though.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:11:21 PM

Thanks, I appreciate it. Yah, I have Xenogears already but I'm not quite sure I'm ready to play it yet, seems a little intimidating.

I forgot to ask, what about Parasite Eve? =D

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:25:17 PM

PE is super fun. A little different, but still great. Hybrid turn-based and real-time with an interesting story.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:28:46 PM

I like PE, it's sort of like survival horror meets JRPG. I never get far though, it's wicked easy to die.

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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:30:15 PM

Parasite Eve is one of my favorite PS1 RPG's even to this day. It's definitely worth getting.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:38:33 PM

Thx! I'll prolly just get all three. =)

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sirbob6
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:36:50 PM
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Well, my week has simply been lots and lots and lots and lots of inFamous 2. The game is simply amazing!

I will also look into DS3 when there is a price drop because I really enjoyed Champions back in the day.

Also sorta sad I couldn't go to the PSXE show, my internet usage about to go over. I will try valiantly to go some time in the future though.

On another subject, another reason DAII lost some fans may have something to do with the story. A lot of people I know that played DAO played simply because they enjoyed the story so much (and in some cases of most women, Alistair) Many of them were turned off by the story of DAII.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 10:44:33 PM

Why on earth would anyone who enjoyed gathering allies from all races across a big map to save the world from a vast horde of evil monsters be disappointed by a political scuffle inside a single city?

</sarcasm>

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:55:39 AM

Not to mention that "Origins" (the title, not the actual game) suggests that the other DA games would follow the same characters, ME-style. DA2 seems like an offshoot rather than a true sequel.

The unoriginal title (i.e., no subtitle) is the first clue that Bioware weren't doing their best work.

R:FOM > R2



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Jawknee
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:29:19 PM
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It's been a nonstop inFamous 2 fest for me since I got back from California. About to complete my first play through as good Cole. Just trophy hunting as much as I can right now. Few more side missions and one more Blast Core to go and I'm done. I might go back and finish up the Evil game I started for inFamous before I start a new game as Evil Cole in 2. That game is so addicting. inFamous is by far my favorite open world franchise and inFamous 2 is my favorite game this year so far. I really can't get enough of this game. I really hope they are planning a third installment.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 11:35:25 PM

...God yes... INFAMOUS 3!!! XD

I wonder where it would take place. =>.>=

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TheAgingHipster
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:19:59 AM

@Jawknee, after you beat inFamous 2, I want to hear your thoughts on how they could continue the story into a third installment. The endings feel much more... definitive, than did those of the first installment. I've been trying to figure it out for a couple of days now.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:40:51 AM

For sure. Add me if you want. I'll send you a message when I'm done. :)

Jawknee1.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:07:02 AM

San Franciso style city Claire. Lots of hills, plenty of street cars, and a cable grinding tour across the Golden Gate Bridge.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:12:02 AM

Good idea World. I was thinking Southern California but San Fran would probably be better.

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FM23
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 4:38:16 AM

But based on the ending (good), how can they make a third one?...But I hope they do because Infamous 2 is my GOTY so far since ME2 came out last year.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:16:37 AM

Really FM, are you trying to ruin it for other people?

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Temjin001
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:32:15 AM

True that, FM23. What an ending!

Who would've thought Beast was Cole MacGrath's father.






*a complete fabrication of actual Infamous 2 events*


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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:40:20 AM

LOL! nice save Temji. ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:46:08 PM

I'll try not to spoil anything, but if you pay closer attention to the very last second of the ending you'll see how.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:59:11 PM

Yup, my buddy just mentioned that World. I'll have to go back and watch the final cutscene again.

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Dreno
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:00:58 AM
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To be honest, after reading all the negative feedback about dnf, I havnt even thought about playing it at all.

Maybe ill snag it up some odd months down the line when its a 20 dollar game at wally world.

I can't wait forthe next psxe show. I keep going into the theater to see if any of you guys are in, to meet you, but so far that's a negative. So ill just wait for the next show.

Oh and a question ben, since you said there may be a bring a friend type give away, would the friend actually have to go to the theater with you? If so, I'm not gonna be able to take my girl to the psxe show since we've only got the one ps3. Wich would mean id have to introduce some of my buddies to the psxe show, but their all hard up on codblops and bc2 to be bothered with anything else. So I was jut curious.

Anyways, PGU: lost my save data for wkc, so had to start over again...

But that's fine, I'm just gonna grind the 4 rebirths and get to (hopefully) gr 8. That way I won't be as far from gr20 in wkc as it would be from gr0. Read it was like 18+mil from 0 to 20. And I guess spear users got screwed over, as the arc knights will probably be the tanks (mostlikely) in quests, and spear damage got reduced a lot taking the dps from spears.

So, I think ill be doing short sword dual weild in wkc2. Maybe weild some knives so I look like a twin blade from .hack. that would be sweet.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:25:02 AM

I'm not sure how we'll do it yet, actually.

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PasteNuggs
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:06:17 AM
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I was really hoping Duke would be good but I always had the feeling it would bomb. I never planned on getting it day 1 because I have an enormous backlog. I'm not getting very far on it either. I haven't finished a game since April and really haven't been playing. All I've been doing is remodeling my house which is the reason I haven't been contributing to the site lately either. But I think I'm finally getting done with everything thaat is keeping me from my games. So hopefully by resistance 3 ill finish up AC:B, Borderlands,LA Noire, Dead Space 2 and Alpha Protocol which I'm playing now. Even though it has a lot of technical issues and the voice acting is horrible I am really enjoying it.

I also missed the Homw show but I plan on being there next week.

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bebestorm
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:09:02 AM
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Bioware should of called it DA The Champion. It felt like a side story instead of main entry. At least we know Bioware won't screw up ME3!

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SolidFantasy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:46:15 AM
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PGU: I'm making good progress on DA:O. Orzammare sure is big though. Wipe Out HD shines brightly. I refuse to play LBP until I'm done with DA:O.

And I met someone, had a good time, only to be let down the following day. So now I'm really bitter. Can't have nice things I guess

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GHOST67
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:52:34 AM
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we don't need gears of war

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:05:45 AM
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Sony should just invest in a first party Gears killer. Sh*t wouldn't be hard to do.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:13:56 AM

Using the God of War 3 engine with shooting mechanics like like Uncharted. drool...If Gears wasn't made with Unreal, had better character designs and ditched the clunky tank like controls, I could dig it. But...yea.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:27:45 AM

A Gears killer? lolwut? Can you elaborate? Because nothing is going to kill Gears as a first party Sony IP.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:32:03 AM

Alright... first party company suggestions: GO!
Sony Bend - If they can do Resistance Retribution, create Syphon Filter and now work on UC:GA, I think that they can do a solid, pure TPS.
Zipper - SOCOM really doesn't seem to be as relevant as it used to be, so give them a five year break before the next one to allow them to take on this as a side project.
BigBig - They've done only PSP/Vita games, so why not introduce them to the bigtime with this?
Guerilla - Their Halo killer was anything but, though who knows what they can manage with a TPS.
Outsourcing - when all else fails.

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RadioHeader
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:40:12 AM

"Guerilla - Their Halo killer was anything but"

I hope you mean in sales. In which case, whatever.. I'm not a shareholder so I'll side with the better game.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:26:06 AM

Yeah, I meant in sales, but also the original KZ got ripped apart by the critics, and they were, in general, none too kind on the third either. The series has simply not managed to bring the beast to its knees. KZ2 was sublime.

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 7:04:37 AM

Better idea: Sony keeps making original games and leaves Gears clones to less talented development teams.

I see no point in "[insert title here]-killers".

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:26:23 AM

I'm with Radioheader, sales and biased reviews aside, it's not hard to see which is the better game. Halo is dated.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:50:28 PM

Competition is good, even if you have no real interest in the Gears series you have to admit a first party Sony studio could make a far better game out of a constant action TPS than anybody alive today.

Not that quality ever beats out popularity, but even patient, level-headed, old school World likes a mindless shootout now and then :)

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:00:23 PM

Then you should have gotten Vanquish a long time ago. ;) There really is no other game that is best described by what you just said.

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SympoziumPawa
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 4:01:52 PM

The Mobile Suit Gundam games by Capcom (I think) are better than the silly covering shooters, thats just a opinion but its true its getting old.....

Man we really need a Armored Core killar

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:36:16 PM

I'll get Vanquish when it's cheaper, but I was actually thinking of something with multiplayer I might enjoy. FPS multiplayer is boo.

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JDC80
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:55:07 AM
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PGU: Still working through "InFamous 2", clinch home court advantage throughout the playoffs in NBA 2k11 and I'm almost at the All-Star break in NHL. Still holding onto "Mass Effect 2" to pick up the remaining trophies might get MLB 11 as my next game from GameFly. I was thinking about getting Duke Nukem but something told me not to.

As for "Gears of War" never coming over to the PS3 can't say I'm broken up over it. It looks fun and all but with games like InFamous 1-2, Uncharted 1-3 and KillZone I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:59:27 AM

Duke is only worth it for the nostalgia, and it even doesn't do that well in that department.

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Pandacastro
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:01:31 AM
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Is there a way for me to find out how many shards I have in infamous 1? Can I find out how many shards I collected in each district ? Can I free roam when I beat the game?

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:05:41 AM

The total shard count is displayed on your save file. Just quit out of the game and look it up, but there's no way to tell how many you've got on each island. And yes, you can free roam after you've completed the story to get the rest of the shards, dead drops and territories.

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mk ultra
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:13:30 AM

Beat me to it. But there's no need to quit the game, you can access the save file from the pause menu.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:19:59 AM

Aww yeah... I just never leave it long enough to let the info load :P

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:50:32 AM

Best way to find all the Blast Shards is to grind the train tracks, cables and run up and down the outer edges of the islands and main streets while constantly clicking L3. It took me a bit but it's defiantly doable in a reasonable amount of time. I already found all the Blast Shards in 2. Was easier this time around.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:09:11 AM
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no, no and yes

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:23:30 AM
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I haven't played a single video game in over 5 months... I'm practically dying. I no longer have a PSP or PS3. I need a get rich quick scheme and make use of this damn summer vacation. The last "new" game I've played is Uncharted 2. SMH. I need help!!!

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:06:34 AM

Egads.... someone ship this guy an unused GameBoy STAT!

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 7:10:03 AM

No wonder you look bored and disconsolate.

p.s. the pun was unintentional but pretty sweet IMO

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:52:55 PM

dude what the hell happened to your game systems?

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:34:36 PM

And people said me changing my avatar was annoying, it really does help get my point across. But anyways World to address your question, The PSP went out on me around November I have no idea what happened it just wouldn't hold a charge and I tried all of the 6 batteries I had for the thing and no luck, so I just scrapped it for parts. My PS3 was stolen during a nasty break up between my mom and her now Ex-Bf. The douchebag's son took it during the process of us kicking them out of our house along with other items and we have since then filed a lawsuit against him, but we all know how our legal system is now-a-days. Chances are I'll never see it again. On top of all that I really would hate to get a new PlayStation of any sort as my account was personally hacked around January and I haven't had it straightened out with SONY to change my password just yet. The way I see it I'll just let the idiot rack up points and Trophies for me, then take it back.

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___________
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:32:45 AM
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well, that was to be expected when you turn a beloved series on its head of course your going to loose fans!
my 2nd biggest gripe this gen is exactly that so many series this gen are totally different to there predecessors.
RE5, DMC4, lost planet 2, FFXIII, are nothing like what there predecessors were!
........... hey, theres a pattern developing!
i wonder why...........

i dont want gears on the ps3 simply because its nice to have a game exclusive to a system no matter what system it is.
im sure they would do a fantastic job of it, but there would always be the thought this could of been so much better if it was exclusive, bringing it to the ps3 has held it back.
when your making a exclusive all your time and money is on that one system, making it MP splits the time and money.
not to mention making a game for a console you can make the game on the consoles strengths, but if your making it on 2 different systems it makes it allot harder to bring the best out of both, you would end up half and half.
im glad i got my 360 again, simply put PSN just does not offer the games XBLA does!
PSN has one game i love joe danger thats about it!
XBLA has so many, i could spend weeks playing super meat boy, limbo, shadow complex, both dishwasher games.
its got a oldschool portal PSN does not offer!
gotta try ilomilo when i get a change, seen allot of reviews and heard allot of good things about it.
sigh.
so many games not enough time to play them all!

just finished infamous 2.
really enjoyed it except the story, why oh why sucker punch?
WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????
i have not been this disappointed in a games ending since, well........ EVER!
the original infamous had such a good ending!
had so many cool twists, and had such a cool ending you will remember forever!
infamous 2 though had few twists, bad twists that make you say thats just stupid!
makes no sense either!
then the ending your left in disbelief, banging your head on the wall screaming WHY!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
and i thought DNF had a sh*t ending!

dunno what it is with developers lately and these stupid crappy endings!
so many games this year have had decent stories, but then had them destroyed by silly stupid endings.
so disappointing!
to be frank i expected SO much more from sucker punch!
you know what this game feels like?
it feels like sony went up to them and said hey guys this is the last infamous game were funding, so make sure anything you want to do you do now.
just feels like they were in a muddled mess trying to add everything they can, and sealed it with such a stupid ending!
why?
ill be having nightmares for the rest of my life screaming that!

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JMO_INDY
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:21:27 AM

How DO you live with yourself being this negative all the time?

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 6:38:25 AM

Negativity is easy to deal with. You just have to keep thinking of all the things that you like and want to achieve. That being said, I'm actually really glad that I'm past my most negative.

The difference is, DA had one game, while the others are all well established. Bioware thought themselves safe in changing things around, as they assumed people would adapt to it, but they were wrong. People are fickle, and they forgot that DA was primarily an RPG with action elements, turning that into the inversion.

As for the inFamous 2 story, I'm up to the 35th mission and rather enjoying the story so far. The twists are no more farfetched than they were in the original, and they certainly aren't bad. The identity of The Beast really threw me for six, but it does make sense, and Bertrand... well. I love the way that they've really branching out with the Conduits. And the game makes perfect sense with itself. Anyway, I really hope that I'm not in agreeance with you about the ending. I mean, to feel like that would just be the ultimate betrayal after such an awesome ride between the two games.

As for it feeling as though a real conclusion, that falls directly on the heads of Sucker Punch. Sony never commissioned them for the games. SP took inFamous to Sony as they wanted to do something other than Sly and Sony took the IP for them. The heads of SP said that they'd like to move onto a new IP after inFamous 2, but that they would also go back to it if the demand was there, and I firmly believe that it should be. Either way, I can't wait to see what they've got coming next. Here's hoping it's a further evolution of the style they've created with Sly and Cole.
Peace.

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Teddie9
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:39:35 AM

Maybe your talking about the infamous ending cause I thought the hero ending was excellent, not to mention the little twist they made at the end with the karmic choices was cool. Also really they both had about the same amount of worthwhile plot twists. I know why your upset, (can't reveal cause it's a major spoiler) but the events in no way make the ending poor. I actually found the final battles themselves a tad underwhelming - but that would be a design/gameplay issue. Nonetheless I was greatly satisfied.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:13:32 AM

The question should be "how do others who know this guy live with themselves?"

Your negitivity and unhappiness is no one elses problem No Name. You're probably making your friends and family miserable and you don't even know it.

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___________
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:02:54 PM

but why change it?
i dont see ferrari saying ok lads were world wide famous for making exotic supercars, so now lets go make exotic hatchbacks!
im sick to death of developers taking my favorite franchises and turning them on their heads!
if you want to change the game so much why not create a new IP?
ill tell you why, they wont create a new IP because they know it wont sell well.
its the greediness of publishers thats causing the problem.
the millions of fans we have with the series is not enough we have to change it so we can bring in more.

how does it make sense?
ill leave it at that, i still remember last time i spoke about things like this........
the ending is so self destructive!
the original had such a fantastic story, this though has to go down as one of the worst endings in history!
LA Noire i could understand, it fitted the tone of the game, and the choices made....... but this?

its does not feel like that, it feels like sp wanted to do so much more with the series but sony said no more so they had to finish it all up with this.
GT5 i think is the best way to describe this game.
a million things in one package, but sadly like GT5 all of those things are below satisfactory.
the only twist in infamous 2 was the beast, thats it!
the original had way more then that, they made sense, and they were intriguing.
this one though just destroys the game completely!

theres allot of plots brought up in the story that are not fully explored either.
what bertrand is doing, who hes selling them to, why, was john right about the first sons?
so many cards are brought to the table and only one pair is turned!
HATE it when games do that, just leave things up in the air.
the boss battles, the powers, the controls, the story, EVERYTHING feels rushed!

i was really worried this would happen.
ive said this time and time again and every game seems to be suffering from it.
developers are so freaking heffed up on graphics these days the gameplay, story, everything else goes down the drain!
infamous had poor graphics, but fantastic level design, fantastic boss battles, fantastic story.
infamous 2 has great graphics, but poor everything else.
coincidence?


O Jawknee and JMO_INDY.
do me a favor, if your not going to add anything constructive to the conversation dont post!
otherwise ill reply to every of your posts and insult you, how would you like that?
god yous are acting like my freaking 8 year old nephew!
GROW UP!

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:02:56 PM

'How do you live with yourself?'


lmao, reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where the fireman asks George that very same question (after trampling women and children while running out of an apartment he thought was on fire). hee hee =)

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 12:07:30 PM

LOL! Going forward, I am changing CowPatty's name to George Costanza.

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sirbob6
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:33:17 PM

Out of curiosity which ending did you take?

Also they do explain what Betrand is doing, selling to and why.

Also what are you talking about with John and the First Sons?

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JMO_INDY
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:47:59 AM

Anyone else notice the irony when he said if you're not going to post anything constructive don't post at all? All you say George C. is destructive. BTW Claire and Jawknee I laughed so hard when I read your guys' posts hahaha

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Beamboom
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:34:54 AM

George Costanza is *the* character from Seinfeld - I love that guy!

I saw Seinfeld live btw, just two weeks ago here in Norway!
An insane display: One tiiiny man alone on the stage in front of 25.000 crazy Seinfeld fans. That was quite an experience.
I'd prefer a small club of course, but this was all I could eveer hope for so I'm happy…

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Beamboom
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:56:09 AM
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"a little excited for the future" -> Oh I am, but not because of Home. :)
I actually wish PSXE were not built on Microsoft technology but technology I knew, cause then I'd offer to help out writing some code to add features. And I really mean that.

I really look forward to the FEAR3 review.
I've played FEAR2 a lot lately and I gotta say, that game is just super fun.
I'm such a coward when it comes to scary stuff so I am in no way able to handle stuff like Dead Space. FEAR2 is un-scary enough for me to dare keep playing. And I *love* the handling in that game, feels so natural.

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Stabs88
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:12:18 AM
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Loved the PSHome set up. Looks great, glad to be apart of something that cares about their readers. = ) Only thing i think you might need to work on is the video cliping, but that comes with time/getting someone who knows how to edit video well. Other then that looks great Ben

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Teddie9
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:31:54 AM
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Still have to get around to buying DS3, Duke Nukem never interested me, and to be honest I'm not even all too crazy about the original DA.

PGU: Finished I2 good ending a little while ago and playing through some UGC when I'm bored. Fantastic game.

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Underdog15
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:03:04 AM
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Great Week in Review, Ben.

I'm wondering if you've heard anything from Level 5 recently for any PS3 games. Perhaps I just missed a thing or two, but I was playing Dragon Quest 8 again (amazing, amazing jRPG) and got to wondering what Level 5 is working on right now.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:33:03 AM

I am eagerly awaiting for news about Another World(Ni No Kuni). That game looks brilliant. Level 5 needs to give us something to chew on.

And agreed. DQVIII is great. My number 2 favorie JRPG of all time. Right behind FFVII. The voice acting is great for a Japanese game as well.

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Underdog15
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:05:33 PM

Where's Highlander? He said he would try DQ8 out. I plan on holding him to it. It's 100% his kinda game.

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bebestorm
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 2:08:28 PM

@Underdog Level 5 just announced their developing a Gundam rpg.

@Jawknee Another World is a game I look forward to as well but its going to be a looong wait considering the ps3 version doesnt have a release date in japan. The DS version came out in december there.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:30:08 PM

Good to know the DS version is out. At least they are making steady progress.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 8:13:11 PM

Not sure, actually. Loved DQVIII, btw.

I am trying to get an interview for when WKC2 arrives, though.

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Dreno
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:36:41 AM
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Happy fathers day fellow dads out there in psxe land an beyond.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:49:03 AM

Thanks. You too. :)

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Underdog15
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:06:01 PM

How about us dad's to be? 18 weeks to go and counting!

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:50:52 PM

Congrats meng! I remember some time ago you mentioned you and your wife were trying. It's a lot of fun.

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Underdog15
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 4:19:48 PM

trying? or being a dad? ;)

lol

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 8:12:33 PM

Congrats Underdog!

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:15:52 PM

Both Underdog. Haha in all seriousness though, when the wife told me she was pregnant, I was a little worried but once she arrived it was the best day of our lives. Just wait till you make him/her laugh for the first time. It's an awesome feeling.

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Underdog15
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:25:20 PM

Thanks Ben!

And yeah, Jawk, I'll look forward to it! :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:00:21 PM
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I'm terribly sorry Ben but as your name has appeared on some random website's bizarre attempt to discount Duke Nukem Forever scores I can no longer trust your reviews:

http://www.xentax.com/?p=303

</sarcasm>

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Dreno
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 1:27:19 PM

Whoever wrote that crap is seriously the king of douche. They should be strapped to a chair in a cabin in the middle of the woods from the evil dead movie and have to listen to the "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar" son. On an infinite loop.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 3:37:57 PM

LOL! The douche wants to call all these people out yet he doesn't even allow comments for feedback on his own site for people to dispute his petty claims.

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NoOneSpecial
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 5:30:58 PM

lol Exactly what I was going to say Jawk.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 8:11:44 PM

I'm always surprised people like that think they're hurting the sources they dislike.

Firstly, the same people who read whatever twaddle they produce wouldn't read real stuff at a real site. Secondly, all it does - especially if you link to the sources you bash - is give them more attention.

...genius move, that. Maybe I should write and thank him, especially for sending over people who found his crap reprehensible and found a clean, safe haven here.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:40:59 PM

ben,

i doubt you will loose much sleep over those comments at that site. at least it's publicity for psxe, right?. by the way i did make it to home and watched your show. i enjoyed the section on ff13 a lot. good to see there's another ff13 fan out there.

i guess the dnf part of the show was old footage. i would love to see a section on dnf now that you've played it. you could talk about the phenonem of people defending such a low scoring game. maybe, another idea is to take us through your favorite rpgs and talk about what makes them great. good show, i will try to find a friend to bring to next show.



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sunspider13
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 1:18:32 AM
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I agree let MS have GeoW. It's one of the reasons that I go over to my friends house. I'm slowly but surely getting him to finally buy a PS3.

At first he was a die-hard MS fan, he even tried to gloat when the outage happened. But since exclusives are few and far between right now on the 360, I've been bringing over my PS3 every so often and showing him some of the PS3 exclusives. Just recently I showed him Resistance 1 and 2 (he's a big FPS fan), Uncharted 1 and 2, and inFamous 1 and 2. I beat the good ending of I2 at his place and after the credits were done he said "Wow, I want to play this." That bodes well because his wife wants both Little Big Planets and her birthday is next month. My work is done lol.

As for inFamous 2 I got the platinum trophy last thursday. Both endings were amazing and I hope BEYOND hope that there is another one. I would start playing at 8pm, thinking I would only play for an hour or two and I would look at the clock and it would be 3 or 4 in the morning. So far my GotY and I do know it early yet. But man oh man what a fun ride. Kudos Sucker Punch. I really hope that people buy I2.

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