If You Don't Like Uncharted, You Need Help

PasteNuggs
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 9:33:16 PM
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Uncharted is simply amazing. So far ahead in so many categories.

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Cpt_Geez
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 9:40:25 PM
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Strongly agreed

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sirbob6
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 9:41:32 PM
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Uncharted is pure, unadulterated fun wrapped in one of the best stories in videogame history mixed in with some of the most talented voice actor around. This delicious cake is then topped of by some of the best graphics this side of the PC.

If you do not enjoy it I do believe there are help centers for people like you.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 9:51:23 PM
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I lent Uncharted 2 to a mate... He played it for two hours, said it was like Splinter Cell and that he didn't like it. I sadfaced. Damned CoD-ites. But then, he does need help. I'm saying that right now :)

Uncharted is just like an action movie , transplanted into a game. The new Indy, if you will, and what's not to like in that?

As for universally awesome, I'd throw inFamous in there. Who wouldn't find that fun? That's about it really.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:03:36 PM

I was about to mention this very thing as a friend of mine did something similar. He thought the opening stealth sequence was the game. GAWD

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:03:06 PM

Just like Splinter Cell...?

Well, maybe he was referring to that craptastic mess that was Conviction. That'd be more forgivable because most of the stealth was gone and it was in third-person. The similarities end there of course.

...yes, he still needs lots of help.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/26/2011 11:03:35 PM

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:53:29 PM

Nah, he's never played Conviction... Stuffs me what he meant, as even the opening sequence is action-y. :/

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rogers71
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:18:54 AM

I have almost the exact same story as you. I loaned my copy of Uncharted to my friend because he didn't have any games to play. He gave it back to me the very next day. He said he didn't like the controls and the third person layout.

He said it would have been better in first person with COD controls. I threw out a few expletives and told him he lost his mind. Oh well.

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Fane1024
Monday, August 29, 2011 @ 1:04:23 AM

SC is always third-person.

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Riku994
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 9:52:28 PM
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Ben I do agree that Uncharted is an awesome series and that to not like it is a longshot, but to say "anyone" who doesn't like it is touched? I think that's a bit of a stretch. Some people just enjoy the simplicity of a platformer or the challenge of a puzzler and yes Uncharted HAS those elements, but it's not JUST those elements. Now if you were to replace "anybody" with "hardcore gamers" then I could agree with you. If you replaced "the game" with "the story" or "the technical standpoint" then yeah I could also agree with you. But just the case of "everyone" or "anybody" makes me have to disagree. And trust me, I do hate disagreeing with you because a lot of your points are very valid.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:05:15 PM

I think, in this "lighthearted" manner it's okay to say anyone and everyone meaning all gamers.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:04:26 PM

I tried to make this as breezy as possible. Everyone has proven very sensitive concerning just about everything lately.

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Riku994
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:25:53 PM

I'm sorry if I seem overly sensitive Ben, I just think you're over-generalizing it a bit.

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Stabs88
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:28:20 AM

Ben you cant say anything with out getting someone upset. Everyone is extremely sensitive now a days. Not just in here...everywhere!! Cant say 1 thing, even your own opinion or sparks fly.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:05:07 AM

Yeah, I know. It just didn't used to be like that in here.

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Axe99
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 4:51:52 PM

Technically speaking, there's likely to be no one-size fits all game, even Uncharted (which is a most excellent series in my eyes) - and if one were being serious, then you could suggest that saying if peeps didn't like something they would be crazy is trying to force the world in our image (even if just talking about gamers - I could imagine hardcore Sims fans might not be into Uncharted, as some hardcore strategy fans might find it not there thing as well), but Ben made it pretty clear he was just saying it as a lighthearted bit of fun :). Those stories of action gamers not liking it are just plain disturbing - goes to show how narrow people can be in what they like/dislike!

For me, I'd find it pretty strange for a console gamer to not like Uncharted, but then when the first Uncharted came out it only got average reviews (on average - although strangely enough everyone including most of the original reviewers thought it was a best-in-industry game by the release of the second - which just goes to show that it takes time to change people's minds, and that change is slow ;)).

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bebestorm
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:01:06 PM
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*Raises Hand Slowly*
Im one of the ppl not into Uncharted. Its not that I hate or dislike it Im just not interested. Just so you know Im not a twitcher the only fps I'll playing this fall is Rage. I did play the first one and completed it. I bought the sequel and never finished.

Last edited by bebestorm on 8/26/2011 10:02:00 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:05:55 PM

That's okay bebe, we allow special people here :)

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jlch777
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:30:27 PM

lol

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NLCanada
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:03:50 AM

Uncharted is a great game, but to say if someone doesn't like it " there is something wrong " is well, wrong.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:25:42 PM

Yeah I'm not that into the Uncharted games either however I do recognize and appreciate how popular the franchise is although lately is seems to be getting overshadowed by MW3 an BF3.

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fatelementality
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:06:15 PM
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As much as I know I'm gonna get thumbs down for this, I do see Halo & Gears as "universally appealing" to most people. As far as PS exclusives, I'm drawing a blank (save 4 Uncharted obviously). Ben, I know u won't give me a hard time about Gears at least :) God of War 3 seems close unless you have a weak stomach. Metal Gear would lose out due to peoples short attention spans. Never seen anybody shy away from Tekken, but that's Multi-plat now. Guess you could throw Arkham Asylum up there as appealing in some way to all. I mean, who hates Batman?

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:14:10 PM

Gears maybe, not Halo. But then, both suffer from the sci-fi setting as that doesn't appeal to some.

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Temjin001
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:23:06 PM

Nah, see I love the look of Gears, and it deserves props for helping out with the pop 'n fire genre of action game, but it controls like a thick large turd sliding down a slope. It does. It's not being unfair. It's slow and lumbering. And only Bethseda can get away with locking the cam to the player's back. I wan't my action games ACTION-Y and fast!

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Riku994
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:29:18 PM

I have astrong stomach and watching Helios' death make me cringe.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:05:41 PM

Halo is closer than Gears in terms of universal appeal, IMO. Just because it's a straight sci-fi setting and a FPS.

I do prefer Gears but that's me. :)

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Axe99
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 4:54:43 PM

Universally appealing to most people?! They're both very much meathead shooters - and games that I'd personally enjoy, but I know a tonne of gamers who reckon they're pretty average (including many who had a 360 before a PS3). But don't forget that gaming includes racers, puzzlers, strategy (and real strategy, not just top-down action games like Starcraft ;)), RPG (particularly around here :)), flight, platformers and so on. Gears and Halo are pretty limited in what they do, in the scheme of things, no matter how well they do it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:16:30 PM
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I must admit, I never liked Tetris.

I think the folks who don't enjoy Uncharted have patience problems. They can't imagine doing a puzzle or doing platforming between the action sequences and shootouts. For them it has to be shootouts 100% of the time and I worry about gamers that can only game that way because they are missing out on some of the best entertainment ever made.

The only thing I need to debate is whether I smash Uncharted 3 into my schedule when it releases or just wait for Xmas.

I think the inFamous series should appeal to all as well. You don't need to love superheros or superpowers, the plots are really good and the gameplay is universally addictive.

Edit: And the LBP series. I can't stand any game that looks to be directed at kids but if LBP doesn't melt your heart and show you a fun time then you are the Tin Man.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 8/26/2011 10:19:18 PM

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Riku994
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:30:42 PM

LBP I can agree with more than Uncharted, it has that new puppy feel to it. If you don't like LBP, you don't like puppies.... Or something to that effect

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:06:05 PM

Your aversion is puzzle games is long-standing and bizarre. ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:27:39 PM

I like it when they toss them in like GOW and Uncharted do, but I can't stick with puzzle after puzzle after puzzle. Feels like homework.

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rogers71
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:21:24 AM

Hey World, I am guessing you didn't like Limbo?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:32:20 AM

It wasn't really my thing, but I scored it well because it was a fine production. The puzzles were quite frankly ingenious little challenges, but I felt no desire to go back to it.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:00:08 AM

@World: "Feels like homework." lol oh man that was an *excellent* way to put it!
I disagree with you cause I like puzzles like Limbo (I *hated* Braid though), but I can so totally relate to that comparison.

Last edited by Beamboom on 8/27/2011 3:02:53 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:28:24 AM

Well, it's not supposed to FEEL like homework. It can if it's not done correctly, though.

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Kevin555
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:20:31 PM
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I think i might book myself in to see a doctor then, as i am clearly tapped ;) Sh!t joke aside, i love the Uncharted games & will be grabbing Drakes Deception come release day.

I agree with this article in a way as i feel the same way when it comes to fighting games. For example, after playing VF5 Final Showdown last year i thought to myself "What possible reason would there be for a fighting game purist not to appreciate in Final Showdown? It has great visuals, sound, balance, indepth mechanics & a plethora of replay value & custumisation options" & when i do hear people say that they don't like it i question why because i truly feel that there is no reason not to like this game if you call yourself a fighting fan other than perhaps it requires a steep learning curve. So yeah i feel the same way but in a different genre.

Overall, a good read. Not many sites have the hairy swingers to write an article like this. None that i know of anyway.

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Temjin001
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:11:28 AM

I know some dudes who don't like VF because it's too technical, too complicated etc. I couldn't call them purists but those who skewed more towards dramatics. The MvsC lot.
VF is awesome because it's incredibly detailed, refined and carefully tuned in balance. Though, the VF series had always struggled with visual flair and appealing attitude. The game has horrible one liners and arguably the blandest character designs. I like the 80's guitar riffs and stuff personally but I'm sure there's many who don't. Anyway, at the end of the day its about competitive depth and mad skillz. Nothing in gaming has ever been more rewarding to me. It's one thing to think your good against AI in any game, but it's an entire different world when competing against human logic. Endlessly entertaining, and the only real way to gain understanding of how good you actually are.

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Kevin555
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:41:43 AM

@Temjin,

Alot of the criticisms i hear are about the character designs being too bland as you said. But to me, in Final Showdown in particular, that is a moot point now with the sheer amount of customisation you can do with each character. Just have a few looks at some tournament vids & you will see Sarah looking Geisha, Aoi looking like The Grudge or Ju-On & Kage looking like Ryu Hayabusa. You can basically transform a character with the use of skin colour, hairstyle etc. So anyone who doesn't like the default designs can alter their characters at their leisure. So personally i don't find this a real issue.

Also, during the console announcement interview they mentioned even more customisation items for DLC. So character appearance shouldn't be a problem. Considering SEGA are always tinkering with this game releasing versions A,B,C etc it is surely only going to continue to improve each upgrade.

My only real complaint with the console release as a whole is that there will be no spectator mode but if fans beg & grovel enough they may include it in before release. So i am hopeful.

I agree with you though that really, it's all about the gameplay & to me nothing is more fun than learning with a character & taking your skills online against human competition instead of unforgiving AI. But mate, some of those Korean players are ruthless!!! You've got to be on your game.

I look forward to playing you.

Last edited by Kevin555 on 8/27/2011 8:43:55 AM

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Temjin001
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:07:46 AM

yeah, custom creation goes a long way. Now if only they could do something about those voices: "Better run home to mama now!" "I've done handcuffed lightning!" "Catching some Z's down there?" "What a knucklehead" "Wah wah wah WAAAAA!"

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LittleBigMidget
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:21:54 PM
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lol how anyone who doesn't like Uncharted has to have something "wrong" with them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:51:43 PM

could you elaborate?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:07:23 PM

World: Don't encourage him. He mostly exists to cause trouble.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:28:18 PM

I suppose, I'm a "give them enough rope to hang themselves with" kinda guy though :)

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:25:57 PM
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I think gaming has become so broad and in many ways dare I say tainted by mainstream marketing and big studio mentalities right now that the idea of universally appealing titles just doesn't exist like older classic games.

Uncharted is a brilliant experience of this generation. In the end though it still has your basic shooting mechanics at it's heart, many many people just don't relate to that, at all.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:52:54 PM

I think it has a lot more at its heart than that though.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:24:16 AM

I agree World, so much more. I'm talking a psychological hurdle for people though. The idea of the 3rd person action part of it all.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:53:04 AM

I see, and agree.

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hellish_devil
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:45:11 PM
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I liked Drake's Fortune more than Among Thieves.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:53:20 PM

That makes you weirder than someone who doesn't like the series.

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tridon
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:11:42 PM

I enjoy the original Uncharted more than Among Thieves, too. The setting, the story, the characters... all better in the first game to me. Obviously the play mechanics, especially the CQC, are better in the sequel, but the original game is just more appealing to me.

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Bandit1
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 1:24:58 PM

I enjoyed the story of Drake's Fortune much more than Among Thieves. Something about three or four people taking on an organized army seemed a little far fetched to me. Idk. Both are two of my favorites though. Drake's Deception looks like it will top them both.

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FM23
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:48:56 PM
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Uncharted is great, but that doesn't mean people should or do like it...what was the reasoning behind writing this article because this reads like a reaction to someone who doesn't find Uncharted great. But I agree, its kind of hard to label Uncharted as meh

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:55:04 PM

I think it reads like a piece trying to stir up community discussion on what elements would make up a universally appealing title while using Uncharted as a benchmark.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:09:04 PM

Christ. Forget it.

Obviously, it isn't possible to write anything without someone reading into it that was never there. Even with clear disclaimers, which I shouldn't even need.

Maybe I'll just stop writing anything even remotely interesting and just start churning out the normal fluff everyone else does. The PSXE crowd is taking things waaaaay too seriously.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/26/2011 11:10:20 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:29:06 PM

I think there is some kind of cultural malaise causing this.

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Riku994
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:45:43 PM

I think I had a valid point in my comment Ben, and really what I'm seeing is people voicing their opinions against yours; something that I think this community is proud to be able to do because in most other places that just spits out fluff, you can't do that without being attacked.
I'm gunna use books as an example here. I personally don't like to read, and I know you do, so imagine if you will writing an article stating that anyone who doesn't enjoy the best book ever written is a bit touched in the head. As someone who doesn't enjoy reading, I think I would be a bit offended by that. I'm sure I could enjoy the story of it and the writing style, but being told I need help because I don't like the book would more than likely offend me.
All I'm trying to do is let you know that articles like this will offend some people and just because some people disagree, that's not a reason to think you need to start putting out crap. As I said before, I hate disagreeing with you and I respect you and your writing to the ends of the Earth, but there are some things that me and other members here just have to speak up against.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:14:31 AM

Riku: You're not getting it. This is not anybody's opinion against mine. It's just for FUN. It's called TONGUE IN CHEEK. It's how the article is written.

People obviously don't read enough. They can't understand the context in anything. You said above I'm "over-generalizing," as if you're taking what I wrote literally. Yes, I believe you're mentally retarded if you don't like Uncharted. ...really?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:16:08 AM

World: I's not cultural malaise; it's the fact that nobody reads. Most won't read an entire article and if they do, they can't understand tone and context.

Nobody who actually reads frequently would misconstrue this article as anything but lighthearted. They also wouldn't take the headline literally; that'd be impossible.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:29:14 AM

Chiiill Winstoooon

I got it Ben... The comments honestly don't feel THAT bad. There have been much more heated moments on here. Even then I havent considered that bad at times. It's been healthy discussion. Sometimes yeah. It's been kinda shat but by and large this is a tremendous community, not just a gaming site.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:55:21 AM

Are people really that dumb? I'm pretty cynical. I think they are purposefully using this as an excuse to be obtuse.

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Riku994
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:25:08 AM

I guess I'm just so used to you telling it how it is all the time I can't discern your .. I can't think of a word better than sarcasm but I know it doesn't really fit here, but I'm using it anyway. Sorry for reading too much into it.. or not enough into it, whichever you want me to say sorry for :P

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rogers71
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:28:53 AM

Ben,
You are correct on all accounts. I think something gets lost in the translation when reading blogs or website postings. That is of course, unless you do read books frequently. Then you can pick up context and understand what the author or originator of an article is trying to convey.

With that said, I just think some people like to argue and disagree no matter what you say or write about. As for anyone that was offended by Ben's article....really?....offended?.....by what exactly?

HA HA....watch out for all the egg shells next time you take a step Ben. :) Keep on writing bro, I get what you were trying to do here completely.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:36:12 AM

The way we read things is heavily affected by the way we read other things. If any part of you wants to be upset by something the chances are you will be. I can't say that if I was in a particular frame of mind I might not feel the need to push back against articles that seem to laud one franchise over all. The key is to not read into what is actually there I think.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:03:36 AM

I think we're going to make a new rule about Comments, just to avoid any future problems. This shouldn't have to be said but obviously, I think it does.

From now on, the only Comments that will be permitted will pertain to the article in question. The subject at hand, and that's it. No more regarding WHY it was posted, and how it supposedly effects PSXE. If you have a problem with the content of the site, just don't post.

You can be as negative or as positive as you want, provided the subject is actually the article, and not ME or my decision to post it. I love you guys, but that just shouldn't be in the Comments.

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Temjin001
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:09:31 AM

*Temjin looks up malaise*
... ... ...
*Temjin assimilates a new word*

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:52:35 AM

People still have trouble in English, that's the answer right their.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 8/27/2011 10:55:32 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:08:20 PM

@ Temjin, lol.

@Ben, sounds like a decent enough rule. Maybe we all got too familiar with you here.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:20:59 PM

@Ben: Uh oh... Oh no, please reconsider. That idea spells trouble. It will only unleash a tirade of accusations about censorship, your inability to handle criticism, and so forth. It's not a good idea at all, qute the contrary. As new readers arrive, they will all be surprised by such a practise - it's close to unheard of on the net.

Instead, take a step back and don't get so involved in the comments field, or so easily offended/provoked. As long as people express themselves reasonably civilized (like FM23 here) let us share opinions also about you and this site. It's part of a healthy, living community.
You got the articles to express your opinions. Let the comments field be the readers arena.

Last edited by Beamboom on 8/27/2011 2:25:42 PM

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Axe99
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 4:59:31 PM

Hang in there Ben! Unfortunately many people don't read things that closely, but I'd feel sad if you stopped writing your fun stuff, it's part of what makes this site great :).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:26:31 PM

Beamboom: You're not getting it, either. This has nothing to do with differing opinions; it's about keeping the comments on-topic. If someone wants to present a different opinion about anything, fine.

In no way are comments in existence for people to tell us what content we should or shouldn't post. That avoids the subject and topic entirely and attacks PSXE; it has nothing to do with me. If you have a differing opinion on the subject at hand, you're always welcome to post, provided you can be civil.

If you don't like the content, DON'T POST.

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FM23
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:57:58 PM

HAHA...damn, this broke out into nothing. @Ben....I enjoy articles like this, so don't trip off my comment. I wasn't calling you out or anything. I wasn't even going against your opinion, just stating how I felt and kept it pushing.

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FM23
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:01:16 PM

@Ben, yeah...that rule isn't a good idea because it limits expression kind of...I don't know, its your site so do what you see fit right?...right

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Beamboom
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 5:50:56 AM

Ben, with all due respect but it seems it's you who don't understand me here. I talk about the consequences, not the intentions. Let me use some examples to illustrate:

Just imagine the reactions if, say, IGN started deleting all comments that criticized IGN and/or the writer (and not the topic of the article). Just imagine. What would you yourself have thought about such a policy, had this been just a year ago...!

Also, will you then delete just off topic critizism, or off topic flattering too? Like, "this was an AWESOME idea for an article!" - would that be accepted, but "this was a ROTTEN idea" would get deleted? If so, how do you think *that* would have been perceived amongst the readers? And if the compliment would have stayed: Why? That's just as off topic! One thing is certain: Both types of comments will be posted!

There are also other off topic posts that has nothing to do with the article, like general community chit-chat. Like Highlander and me in one of our longer discussions that tend to stray well off topic at times. Is that due for deletion too, now? Where is the line drawn?

I'll leave it at that, I wont keep nagging about this, I just felt I had to warn you. This has all the hallmarks of a Bad Idea.

Last edited by Beamboom on 8/28/2011 6:31:29 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 29, 2011 @ 9:16:48 AM

Beamboom: All OT comments should be deleted, anyway. It's in the policy. I've let it slide for a long time.

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Zorigo
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 10:59:53 PM
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frankly Uncharted: DF still is my favourite.
So far both have been awesome in every way, as will most likely U3 be, what with fantasticly engrossing stories and brilliant gameplay, but i think it's because a uncharted df was suprisingly good.
I opened the game with no expectations and was like OMG that was fudging brilliant! (fudge... Mmm)
But that caused so much anticipation that U2 couldnt ever suprise me at how good it was. (i set the bar quite high. It reached it tho, wonderfully!)
I was suprised U:DF was fantastic, whereas i expected U2 to be fantastic. Thus, U:DF my fave

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Havoc
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:12:14 PM
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Don't stroke the game to hard its not even out yet. It should be as good as uncharted 2 but its never good to praise a game that no ones even played yet. I think if anyone gave at least two hours to it Shadow of the colossis (not sure how to spell collosis, must be drunk again) is undeniably incredible.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:21:28 AM

He's speaking of the series as a whole... I know he mentioned Uncharted 3 a few times, but the article isn't singling out one game every one should enjoy, it's the whole series most people should enjoy.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 8/27/2011 10:22:03 AM

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Russell Burrows
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:25:46 PM
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@ Ben.

Uncharted is good!

I was watching Knight and Day after playing Uncharted 2 and a few minutes into the movie I said thats Nathan Drake in real life AKA Tom Cruise and then I said thats Elena? AKA Cameron Diaz.

And watching Shrek when I hear the voice of the Princess I think thats Elenas voice the real life version Cameron Diaz.

The same thing when I watched Mission Impossible and I see the actor but my mind says Nathan Drake then I have to stop for a second and say no, no its Tom Cruise.

I guess if it talks like Nathan Drake and does crazy stunts like Nathan Drake then thats the first thing that comes to mind instead of saying thats Tom Cruise??

As an experiment watch the movie Knight and Day and then go play Uncharted and tell me your impression??

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:30:18 PM

I've seen it, and I see no connections between Tom Cruise and Nathan Drake or Elena and Cameron Diaz.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:23:20 AM

O me either, sorry man Tom cruise and Cameron Diaz? ...really?

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BikerSaint
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:35:04 PM
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Off topic for a sec.....

Hey Ben.
Just wondering if you're in the path of the Hurricane that's coming up the Eastern shoreline too?

We're under a mandatory Evac here in Southern New Jersey, but I'm waiting till early morn to take off out the area before the rain starts up.

They're talking about a 10 foot wave surge between Saturday & Sunday, on top of a rain soaked ground already from torrential downpours causing flash floods that we had over the last two weeks already, plus be a "first" moon that will cause higher high tides too, so I'll be stuck for at least a couple days at some school that they've set up as a emergency Evac center, a way's up inland from our shoreline.

I just hope we have a apartment complex to come back to later, & that our roofs are still intact, or that it hasn't flooded out & I don't lose all my gaming consoles, among everything else.
If all goes well, I'll be back here sometime next week, but if I'm not, that means everything's gone.

Anyways, wish all of us all along the Atlantic seaboard areas good luck, everyone!

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:45:47 PM

Hope you come through it alright, Saint, along with anyone else in the way of that thing.

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Geobaldi
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:52:52 PM

Best wishes from here on the Gulf Coast. I've been through more then my share of them, including Katrina. My guess is that things shouldn't get too too bad unless you're right by the water (I'm 7 miles from it here)but don't be surprised if you have no power for a few days and/or weeks.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:57:02 PM

Very Indeed, I'm in New England to so I hope everything turns out well.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:21:44 AM

Yes, I'm in SE CT. You're more directly in the path than I am, though; NJ/NY is looking to get harder than us. But we'll still get it. Not sure what the power situation will be like.

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Axe99
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 5:00:51 PM

Good luck over there everyone, fingers crossed at this end it passes as without incident as possible.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:51:50 PM
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Reading over the comments here, I can't help but laugh. People seem to be taking offense to the article when there is none to be found. Ben isn't saying that you absolutely must love it, only that it's only logical that it's near impossible not to find SOMETHING to like in the series. The whole "touched in the the head/need help" phrases are just to poke fun and emphasise the point that he's trying to make, if indeed there is a real point.

This is just a 'for fun' article, it isn't meant to be taken seriously. Sure, feel free to voice your opinion, but don't go calling Ben out when it simply isn't warranted. Hmmk?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:12:56 AM

People can find a problem with anything lately. I do something about how everyone might be entertained by BF3 and MW3, the LEAST inflammatory article on the entire damn Internet concerning that subject, and there's still an issue.

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 7:53:32 AM

@Ben, this is the internet. Did you honestly expect anything less? Someone, somewhere, will ALWAYS take offense. It should be a Rule of the Internet.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:07:49 AM
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If u don't like outdoor nature thrills this game series is not for u.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 8/27/2011 12:09:07 AM

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Alienange
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:51:52 AM
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Yes. Everyone should at least be capable of appreciating Uncharted for what it is. To turn a blind eye to its value as entertainment is just ignorance.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:44:55 AM
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Uncharted is the James Bond or Indiana Jones of the gaming industry. Expensive productions, impressive visuals, good actors, well directed.
... But utterly predictable, ultra-traditional, family friendly entertainment clearly tailor-made for the masses. Only thing missing is a cute pet that makes everyone go "awwww" at regular intervals.

There's nothing wrong in not liking that. Some would even say its more wrong in uncritically hailing it as the pinnacle of modern gaming.

There /really/ is no universally appealing product. And we should be happy it isn't. Cause if there were, we'd need some serious help.

Last edited by Beamboom on 8/27/2011 1:52:12 AM

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 1:45:52 AM
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I hate UNCHARTED.

Oh wait! No I don't! What's that other thing I hate???

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:38:40 AM
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Obviously no product will appeal to everyone, but it's interesting to theorize about such a product.

If anything, we should be happy it doesn't exist because anything with overly massive appeal causes ripples that damage other franchises by watering them down to fit that mold.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:41:20 AM

Let's theorize then :)
What would it take to make a game that *everyone* would love? What are the requirements?

Well, for me I *have* to be given the illusion that I am my own master, even if it is just an illusion (as most often is the case, both in games and real life). To me, freedom of choice is the essence of what gaming is all about.

Others want to be served a story, and value the narrative more than the freedom. Some seek intense confrontation, others enjoy strategy or evasion. Some want to run, others want to crawl. Some want to command, others want to be commanded.

Can a single game tackle all these challenges?
Many say it is impossible but I am optimistic. I am able to imagine such a game, where the world is so detailed and intense that the narrative is all over the place and can be told without forcing the player down one path. It just require way more computing power than the hardware can deliver today. But if there's one thing that is for certain, it's that the future holds hardware that are many times more powerful than today.

Can't wait to see what that future will bring. Maybe The Universally Awesome Game awaits in the horizon!

Last edited by Beamboom on 8/27/2011 4:13:35 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:11:07 PM

I guess a true life simulator would be universally appealing. Add VR to the experience and there just isn't anybody who wouldn't want to pop into a game that plays like real life. The universal game really is star treks holodeck.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:28:51 PM

Omg... The holodeck. Of course. Mr Roddenberry knew it right from the beginning.

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Qubex
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 1:51:47 AM

Holodecks would be a dream come true... Beam me up Beamboom :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Gordo
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:03:27 AM
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I love Uncharted but can definately see some areas of improvement. Istanbul stealth - poor. Running from zombies and big blue things - tiresome. Some of the climbing sections dragged as well.

Apart from that, everything was fantastic. The collapsing hotel scene is one of my favourite all time video gaming moments "of all time!".

Something for everyone! Just hope there isn't a zombie around the next corner...

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:29:54 AM
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Y'know we can put this theory to the test.. pretty sure ____________ didn't like uncharted. Just kidding XD

Completley agree. I sat my dad down to play uncharted and he LOVED it. Now bearing in mind he is 56, he is a carpenter who's traveled the world all hes life, he isn't someone whos had the time and/or patience for games. He doesn't strike me as the sort of person that could appreciate a game like uncharted. But I was wrong..he literally watched me play uncharted 2 all the way through, and when I was done he wanted me to let him play Uncharted 1. He sucked horribly and it took him like a month to complete but he wanted to get straight on with Uncharted 2 so I can tell he enjoyed it. He was even saying things like 'The expressions in the cutscenes are so real...its like a film!' or 'Must've took them ages to build this game.' So someone who isnt into games (albeit he does play FPS from time to time..usually wolfenstein from like, 2001 lol), they can see how awesome Uncharted is..

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___________
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:16:58 PM

where did i say i dont like it?
i do, i said it has the story of a michael bay film!
actually no, thats not fair on michael.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:20:08 PM

Actually, you said numerous times you didn't like the linear nature of it. Alright you aren't flat-out saying you hated it but..whatever I was only kidding anyway.

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johnld
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:19:00 PM

i can also clearly remember your great dislike of the cover/roll button, which noone really had a problem with. I remember it clearly because it was just a rediculous complaint.

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___________
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 9:40:53 AM

how is it a ridiculous complaint?
if your dying a gazillion times because your sprinting away from a grenade or enemy fire and press circle to roll and instead of rolling you take cover.
just common sense, its like having 2 guns looking exactly identical, only one a real gun and one a lighter.
and putting them exactly next to each other.
only a matter of time till you grab what you think is the lighter and end up shooting yourself in the face!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 11:08:00 AM

That isnt actually a fault with the game; rather the person playing. It depends how accurate you are with rolling. If your just rolling in any direction, you can only expect to cling to a wall. Pressing circle isn't supposed to be just a 'get of jail free' kinda thing, jus sayin. :)

EDIT:
Your analogys are getting more wacky by the day. xD

Last edited by Ludicrous_Liam on 8/28/2011 11:10:00 AM

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bigrailer19
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 12:33:19 PM

__________

I remember something to the lengths of you dying a lot in Uncharted, so you didnt like it... I think it read kind of like you last post, and you kept getting frustrated.

But either way, it appears you really do like the games.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 8/28/2011 12:41:15 PM

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Ultimadream
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:36:53 AM
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Uncharted excells on all levels, story, characters, gameplay, score... everything. There is no reason to dislike the game. The problem I have with a lot of 3rd person over the shoulder shooters are the sluggish characters. In Uncharted Drake moves like silk, the animation and sense of motion is so smooth its just so good to play.

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AnonymousPoster
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 5:32:16 AM
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I must agree with a few of the comments in here. Uncharted keeps itself so thoroughly in the "safe" zone, trying as hard as it can to appeal to everyone, without taking any unusual risks, that this alone might put some people off. After my first playthrough of Uncharted 1, I was a bit "meh" on it, for just this reason. Other than a couple impressive sequences, there wasn't anything in particular that jumped out at me and said, "This game is special and innovative in a way I haven't seen before." This is especially true with the story; it's so outrageously cliché that, at points, I was laughing scenes for being so predictable and by-the-book.

What finally made me fall in love with it was when I pushed the difficulty up, and I started to realize how well the environments and levels were designed so that it always catered to the difficulty you were on and allowed the player's skill to shine, instead of being cheap or having just one way to win, like most other games are on their upper difficulties. I fell in love with the gameplay. The graphics, story, characters and everything else are very well done, but at the same time, often rather vanilla.

If I hadn't stuck with Uncharted for a repeat playthrough, I'd probably still be in the camp that thinks it's not so amazingly great. Like the beginning of this article said, there's no universally appealing product. They could improve the bits I just mentioned, but then they would likely lose a different segment of the fanbase because the story would be /too smart/ (this happens, often). I don't fault anyone for not caring for Uncharted, as long as they gave it a chance. Like I said in another Uncharted piece, I don't like Zelda, but I gave it a chance--several, actually. People say there's something wrong with me for that, because, "How can you not like Zelda?"

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:07:00 AM

Ah, you said it better than i ever could.

I have trouble explaining my problems with the game, but your 1st paragraph does it for me.

I completed U2 once and didn't fully enjoy it due to your above reasons, but with what you say about your replay, i may have to try again at some point...but i do believe that i will never realise the game as a personal best.

But you don't like Zelda?! Blasphemy!!!

Just kidding.

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Robochic
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:08:26 AM
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I will admit I didnt' like it the first time it came out due to the aiming but then they fixed that with a patch and I loved it and have since then, can't wait for the 3rd.

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Sanjuro
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:53:52 AM
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i lent uncharted to two guys i work with, they both LOVED it, they never heard of it before (one one of them only plays COD) and then bought the second one, another guy i work with ask if he could borrow it as the other two told him how great it was, he HATED it kept getting stuck and dying, we all tell him hes crazy for not liking it.
(and just for the record he takes no offense)

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VampDeLeon
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:19:00 AM
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I wasn't sure if I would like Uncharted since it seemed average looking when the first one came out. I tried the 2nd one when the demo came out as multiplayer and I had a blast with how the characters moved along with the third-person view and camera which got me to play and enjoy both games now.

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___________
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:15:09 PM
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ok, now that is the most pathetic thing i have EVER heard!
heaps of people i know dont like uncharted, hell the guys 21st i just got back from played 2 half way through then got bored of it and took it back.
44M ps3s sold last time i checked.
uncharted 2 sold how many units?
so are you saying 40+M people need "help"?
sigh....... when will the flame bait articles end!?

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:49:56 PM

Really? The article is lighthearted man... In that obviously the game won't appeal to everyone. Moral of the story though is that give the game a chance and theirs a million things Uncharted does right. If you still can't find something you like in the series, then yes something is wrong.

If you read like you write/type, it's no wonder you can't read how this article is meant to be read.

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karneli lll
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:52:03 PM

Wow bigrailer, you just made it sound so much worse.

Underscore guy, using the 'how many copies did it sell' talk is, to put it mildly, very ignorant of you. Something does not have to sell well to be great.

Last edited by karneli lll on 8/27/2011 12:55:08 PM

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johnld
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:22:07 PM

i was kinda waiting for what idiotic comment _______ was going to make. but this is just too stupid for me to really pay attention to. i'll say these though, thanks for making me feel like a genius.

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BIGRED15
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:41:52 PM

Oh brother... It's not flame bait. Ben is clearly joking and those with a chip on ur shoulder should really stick to talking about the games and games only. Ben doesnt deserve all this flak. Uncharted will b considered one of the best sagas EVER. does it matter what a handful of people say. The ayes have it and the reviews tell all. It will be among the most elite. U don't like it? Fine. It's a little wierd considering the facts and statistics. But whatever. To eaches own.

The argument about the ammount of ps3s sold ever vs the amount of consoles sold because of uncharted couldn't b more irrelevant. Uncharted 2 was uncovered in 08 and ps3 was released long before that. Now if u had a statistic about the consoles in which UC2 has been played on or a survey based off of console sales that occured the year of UC2, then we can talk

Last edited by BIGRED15 on 8/27/2011 3:52:06 PM

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 3:59:52 PM

How did I make it sound worse? Really, explain that. I think you missed something here, sorry man.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 8:23:37 PM

Guys, I thought by now you'd know enough not to take this guy's comments seriously. He's completely insane, if you hadn't already noticed.

I stopped reading his posts a long time ago.

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___________
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 9:45:29 AM

ah thanks ben now i know why your readers act the way they do.
they gotta get their attitude somewhere.
enlighten me oh great one!

btw, i was not using the how much did it sell comparison to say its obviously bad because it did not sell.
you obviously have never read what i write because i have said countless times if ive learned anything this gen its that sales do not indicate quality!
i was using the how much did it sell remark to refute the rediculous claim that if you dont like uncharted you need help.
allot of people found it as entertaining as watching grass grow!

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karneli lll
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 12:50:40 PM
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I dont think its tongue in cheek if you say uncharted is the best and everyone should recognize,add a joke about it and finish with a 'seriously, uncharted is great'.

I also think the whole filtering of comments is kinda messed up, im just saying.

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Warrior Poet
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:04:58 PM
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I definitely like Uncharted, but I think Yoshi's Island takes the cake. Man, there was something about those rotating levels...

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Minishmaru
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 2:55:56 PM
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I <3 Uncharted, I think I can confidentally say its my favorite series so far!

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 11:19:09 PM

I agree. It's tough cus I'm a huge God of War fan also, but Drake and treasure, those two things are very fascinating! Drakes character is so well written, while the alternate "lost" treasure stories that fascinate me because of the history, makes it fun yet very intriguing!

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BrillantED
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 4:50:16 PM
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Although i agree with Ben about Uncharted being one the greatest franchises in gaming so far (I've got platinum trophy for the 2 first titles) i could not blame someone if they dont like it all...and it is fine with me.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 5:03:05 PM
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I love Uncharted 2, awesome game. It's one of my favorite games.

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tes37
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 9:28:54 PM
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I like Uncharted but I still need help.

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Danny007
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:17:43 PM
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Every person who owns a PS3 should have a PS3. If you haven't played it yet, there is still time and Uncharted 2 continues to have a big online community.

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tes37
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 10:39:13 PM

I totally agree with the first sentence.

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Teddie9
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 4:16:55 PM

Yes the logic is wonderful isn't Tes ;p

(Sorry Danny, just teasing your typo)

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Qubex
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 1:54:20 AM
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Just for the record... I loved Uncharted... can't wait until number 3!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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UK_MrSim_UK
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 6:42:22 AM
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I love Uncharted, but you can bet CoD junkies and Xbox fanboys will just say "It's tomb raider"

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Kevin555
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 6:54:45 AM

Nice assumption.

Anything else you'd like to pull from your arse?

Last edited by Kevin555 on 8/28/2011 6:58:58 AM

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 11:12:48 AM

Ah, give the guy a break. In his defense, the game was called 'Dude-raider' at one point. I don't see the resemblance (DRAKE DOESN'T HAVE MAN-BOOBS!!?), but there ya go.

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Kai200X
Monday, August 29, 2011 @ 10:08:27 PM
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I love Uncharted too much. I need help too

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