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If The Generation Ended Now, Who's The Winner?

We keep talking about the impending generation, despite insistent claims from Sony and Microsoft that a new machine won't arrive any time soon.

But what if the generation ended today? Who would you say came out on top? Of course, gamers have more criteria than overall sales numbers; those come into play of course, but the fans care most about their quality of entertainment. So which manufacturer has given you the most entertainment? The best entertainment?

We assume we know what our readers will pick, but defend your choice! Give a rational explanation. Anything can be considered a factor: maybe your machine crashed a bunch of times, maybe some games didn't turn out the way you had hoped, maybe you had a bad experience with customer service. Maybe you feel you spent too much and weren't justly rewarded, or maybe you have something against a certain business policy, or aren't convinced about a certain service (for instance, the stability of the PSN).

My reasons bounce all over the place. There are many reasons as to why PlayStation has been my platform of choice for almost 16 years. For the PS1, it was simple: I was a huge role-playing fan; it's basically all I played at the time, and the PlayStation was the undisputed king of the genre. The N64 didn't really even have one (arguably), and the Dreamcast didn't have many, either. Besides, I hated what Nintendo did with the N64 after the glory that was the SNES. Actually, I haven't liked Nintendo since those 16-bit days. Sadly, we have parted ways.

The PS2 gave me all the RPGs I still craved plus a huge, diverse library and a reliable machine. Same goes for the PS3, although I will say I wouldn't have bought the PS3 when it launched if I hadn't needed for work. I didn't really care about any of the launch lineup and I thought $600 was ridiculous. But over time, the PS3 has once again given me ample reason to keep gaming on a continual basis. How's about you?

9/9/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (90 posts)

Cpt_Geez
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 9:52:54 PM
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That's easy Ps3

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Bonampak
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 7:00:31 PM

Yes, for us its the PS3.

More so, because Sony managed to come back from the early grave that many in the media wanted to put the PS3 in. They bashed the system ever since it launched with a retail price that they considered to be excessive. They started rumors about rootkits and for many sites, the PS3 was their favorite punching bag.

For instance, Slashdot branded the PS3 as "nothing but a DRM in a box". Some others even went as far to accuse Sony of having a "boyz-in-basements' sexist image". EGM featured several editorial and articles mocking the PS3 (remember the cover with the PS3 hit by tomatoes?. I could go on and on about how the media bashed the PS3 during its first 2-3 years of life.

But after some false starts, Sony finally fought back and created an advertising campaign - with Kevin Butler - that put to shame anything else in the gaming industry.

Sony deserves praise for what they did. Unlike Microsoft, who spends BILLIONS to drive the market into a particular position (like they did with the Kinect - 4 billion to advertise it, including give aways), Sony is actually now making a profit with the PS3. And more importantly, they will not end in the RED as MS will.

However, I am man enough to give credit to MS and especially Nintendo, for this Japanese company did what many thought was impossible. Put the Big N on the top of the hardware and software charts again. If they only did so by catering to non-gamers and casuals. It was basically the only option they had to survive. So I give them kudos for that.

And I give them credit, because I want the traditional gaming market to continue being the driving force in the gaming industry.

I would hate to see Apple and the other time-wasting game makers out there, to replace our way of gaming.

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djbool
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:08:05 PM

Boondocks are coming back

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 9:53:10 PM
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Dreamcast.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:14:46 PM

4 Life.

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Fabi
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:14:55 PM

FOREVER.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 6:10:44 AM

Its all about the games. DC 4 LYF.

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Stabs88
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:51:41 AM

I wanted one soo bad, and saw my couz in college have one...think I was 13? Couldnt afford it myself sadly, but soon after that my parents get my the PS2. Glory days!

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wenezz
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 9:54:41 PM
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that easy 3DS XDlol

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Phoenix
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 5:33:21 AM

Honestly, I'd say either DS or PSP if we're talking about all the toys because I love me some RPG goodness, but if we're talking consle only, I'd prolly say... Wii... Really, Nintendo is the only 1 to really put out solid games this gen so far, they've put out Mario games, Zelda, DK, and a whole lotta others that have just been good games. Sure the Wii isnt the strongest system out there, but when it comes to exclusives, Nintendo is king still, plus you can buy all those great games from older Nintendo systems with their online store, pure win baby!

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 3:04:36 PM

@Phoenix

Man, oh, man, are you joking??

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:20:54 PM

Seriously man? I mean preference is ok, but really?

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Axe99
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 5:35:53 PM

Has to be sarcasm from Phoenix, don't think we have to worry about that ;). That, or they need some _serious_ counselling (speaking as a Wii owner here).

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Phoenix
Monday, September 12, 2011 @ 12:36:36 AM

No really, when it comes to exclusives this gen, ps3 just doesnt do it for me, and xbox... well, enough said... Atleast the Wii has FUN exclusives.

Looking at my PS3 titles , I honestly cant find 1 that I couldnt live without, this is a 180 from past sony machines... I dunno, I just want a great RPG I guess, and I aint getting em.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 9:58:22 PM
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"The one who ultimately wins a battle is the one that never realised there was a battle to begin with."


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GuernicaReborn
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:00:59 PM

Hey I have some chopsticks in my back pocket if you want to go catch some flies.

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Douchebaguette
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:02:17 PM

I do that already in my spare time =P.

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Riku994
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:09:09 PM
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PS3. Best library, 2nd most reliable, more than likely second best sales NOT including 2nd+ consoles, best graphics, best online features, best controller... It's the clear winner.

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JDC80
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:17:12 PM
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If you mean Sales overall: The Wii it's the crack for little kids and hipsters.

If you mean games and quality: The Playstation 3 first party games stellar. And third party companies are taking advantage of what the PS3 can do. Free online, PS Home and internet browser.

If you mean All Cattle no Hat: The 360 is the champ a system that stays a float with two series and treats COD as an exclusive even tho you can get it on the PS3 and the Wii.

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Fatcat3788
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:25:30 PM

This.

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Stabs88
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:54:28 AM

I agree with these facts. And it is interesting to see the 360 above the completion with just Halo, Gears, and CoD

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 12:09:38 PM

I don't even like the fact that u have to pay 60 bucks a year just to play online. 360 is more of an multiplayer machine, the way I look at it.

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FatherSun
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:20:46 PM
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Sony is the industry leader. No matter what. The PS3 has THE Best Exclusives. The clear winner to me. It is in growth mode as well which will allow it to survive longer than the others.

To be fair, Microsoft has entered the industry strong and has aquired substantial market share in a short period of time. I must commend them on that. They play dirty but they have accomplished their goal.

Nintendo sold many Wiis!

They are all winners, but the biggest winners are us GAMERS!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:21:36 PM
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My 80 gig (now 500) fatty has never so much as hiccuped at me. Sony has brought the best exclusives a human being of varied taste could possible ask for (not just shooters), I don't have to pay for online, I don't have to put batteries in my controller, my PSP has somebody to have sex with, PSN has the best available innovative experiences plus PS1 games, and on and on and on.

Who wins? I do.

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Qubex
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:48:30 PM

If you win World, that means Sony has won this generation hands down :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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SolidFantasy
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:31:18 AM

Haha!! It took me a while to figure out what you meant by "my PSP has someone to have sex with"

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 12:11:10 PM

can u put a terabyte in a PS3?

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faraga
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:02:00 PM

500 GB isn't a terabyte, 1000 is. But still, if you can find a laptop drive that contains 1 TB of space, then it will fit in your PS3. I recently bought a 500GB HDD for my PS3 too, but I've also seen 2 TB ones on the market. I just don't need one. My 500 GB laptop isn't even full yet, and believe me, I try.

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Underdog15
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 6:41:39 PM

You'll need a 2.5 inch HDD. Look up online to see what speed it needs.

Some people have reported issues getting their PS3 to partition off any more than half a TB. I'm not sure if it has to do with slims vs. phatties, or if it had more to do with the HDD itself.

Either way, the information is easily accessible online via google searches.

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Bandit1
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:27:35 PM
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I'd have to say PS3 just because of the exclusives. We've had 3 stellar installments of Resistance, about to have 3 amazing Uncharted games, 2 Ratchet and Clanks plus a downloadable one, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, Little Big Planet 1&2, God of War 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, 3 Motorstorm games, and I know I'm probably missing some.

As far as XBox 360 goes they've had some Halo, Gears of War, Forza, and Alan Wake. I think that's about it.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:28:07 PM
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If they moved to the next generation?

Easy.

PS3. Why? Because no one will buy 360's anymore. PS3 will continue with Sony's support as they promised, JUST like the PS2 did.

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Danny007
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:30:07 PM
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So, you want to know which "GAME" console is the winner? Clearly PS3, because well, you know... Uncharted, Heavy Rain, Motorstorm, LBP, God Of War, Twisted Metal, Resistance etc... yup definetly the best "GAME" console.

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Temjin001
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:30:55 PM
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PS3. easy
Wii doesn't exist and 360 stopped being interesting like over the course of a year.
Though, from 06-08 I preferenced 360 and it's games for several reasons. The strength of their early multi-plats. Exclusivity of major beloved franchises like DOA, Ninja Gaiden, Halo. With other hot headline grabbing hits like Mass Effect hitting the seen. Exclusive, like Gears. Others loved games like Bioshock, where it would later come to PS3 suffering as a port. MS's early momentum seemed so much more on top. Back then Xbox lIVE was actually a lot more established it had compared to PSN. It had Netflix way sooner. Trophies didn't exist and PS owners like myself had to really clamor for games that actually made good use of PS3's hardware.

Then things started to change....
The RRoD debacle was for real. I can't tell you how many console cycles that went by with supposed system failures being voiced by small but very loud individuals, which were by and large false. But as soon as all of my friends and my brother started having their system die, even multiple times. It was reality. THe 360 was built like garbage. Then MS just sort of gave up with Rare. They also gave up on so many of their home grown gaming ventures. And then many of those at one time 360 exclusives started pouring over onto PS3 with enhancements--NGS2 thank you very much =)
THird Parties were getting a grasp of the PS3, some multi plats were actually turning up better on PS3. And all of Sony hard fought for efforts in launching tons of new IP's, or restoring them, started bearing much fruit. Then the heavy dogs like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and GoW3 land. Hits every one of them. And MS is out to lunch bringing little to nothing new to the table. They're in such a sorry state right now. It's like they just didn't have a plan for this year and next. Well, there's KINECT... but that waste of time and money is joke to the audience they've bred. They're looneys now. Now I read about their bullish publishing guidelines and now I think they're a bunch of jerks. I no longer want to pay for LIVE. I no longer want to even give them my money because they're directionless and so worried about throwing money around to protect their visibility and perceived identity in the market. I really don't care to engage in any more CoD talk or BF3. It's tired. It's over for me. It's a sport. It is. Military online shooters is basically today's new football. But more for teenage kids and slack off gaming junkies who are always the nation's best in something. Anyway, like I said, it's like a sport. It won't go away. It won't change. Testosterone fueled men will always think it cool to shoot people competitively in a military theme. I know, over the last several months I've worked in a facility with tons of the military as a civilian. The US military and shooting games are PB & J.. okay. I'm done. I rented Deus Ex. I'm going to relax and eat a bowl of Colossal Crunch Berry cereal.

Sorry my post is grammatically written like crap. I'm tired. don't care.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:39:37 PM

You sound tired, but you're right. MS has kind of become your mentally unhinged Uncle who is trying to get you interested in his new and hopeless business venture (Kinect). Their lack of first party support is so bad it could make them completely harmless in the next generation if they aren't careful. Since 3rd party exclusives are dead now and MS doesn't have squat for game making studios there won't really be a reason to own a 720 over a PS4 unless you love paying for online that much.

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Karosso
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:09:30 PM

@ World
That is so true, MS has bribed everyone, made enemies of many small developers and dismantled their first party holster... They got nothing on Sony for the fight for the next-gen.
I just hope Sony learns something from this generation, and keep the development process for the PS4 similar to that of the PS3. Just give us a supper PS3... more Cores, More memory, a built-in Fixed SSD + a regular HD, a supper powerful nVidia Fermi GPU and we are in business. Well, try and keep the price down to 400 bucks and they have the next-gen in the bag. This being Sony the games are a given :)

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Temjin001
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:58:55 PM

I think I read the MGS4 guy they got to work on Halo 4 left 343 because he felt so creatively restrained. hehe
Anyway, yeah, I got some food in me, sleep comes soon. Less crabby then. Anyway, Deus Ex is cool. Don't think I'd have the game doing what it does from 1st to 3rd person like that, but I can get used to it... I think. But anyway, yeah, MS just isn't doing it for me these days. It's like they've totally redesigned their strategy from a few years ago and their model has taken full shape. It's a boring bleak one, with redundancy and over priced DLC. Anyway, I'm beginning to think their next Xbox really needed to be readied for next year. They just aren't doing much with the hardware they have outside of the silly motion camera.

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DazeOfWar
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:33:56 PM
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I use to be a 360 only kind of guy but then I finally bought my PS3 which was only for exclusives at the time. Well that lasted for about six months and then I sold my 360 and went exclusively PS3 for everything. That was 3 years ago and I love the system and have never looked back.

I now have over 100 retail games and probably about 100+ PSN games. I see nothing but greatest in the future for the PS3.

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Fox hounder
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:37:52 PM
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Top notch exclusives and great multiplat's, imo the PS3 wins hands down. I will still be growing my collection even after the PS4 come out ( i got a backlog a mile long i'm still trying to catch up on).

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cLoudou
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:09:08 PM
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Gamers are the real winners. This Gen had and will continue to have great games. The only thing we seen to he missing this Gen is the Epic, story driven, Turn-Based RPGs, which were more abundant in the previous generations.

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mexgeo86
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:09:34 PM
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For me, a major factor in determining a console purchase has been the controller. Growing up I had an NES and then an SNES (good times). Upon the PS1 and N64 releases, I opted for the PS1 since the controller resembled the SNES controller more closely and so I felt a sense of familiarity. I didn't even know how to hold the N64 controller.

With the ps1 came an interest in racing and rpg titles (GT, Legend of Legaia). I got a ps2 mid-cycle as I had to save up for it on my own. With it I got GT3 and FFX as my first titles. Onimusha, Devil May Cry, God of War, and Prince of Persia titles would follow.

Upon graduating college in 2008 and getting a real 'job' I realized that though I could get both the 360 and Ps3, there were several turn offs from the 360, namely the controller, the abundance of FPS titles and the fee to play online. On the Ps3 side I saw a blu-ray player, free online gaming and a reliable piece of hardware. I didn't care for the Wii as it was too casual.

As Tretton said at E3 in '08 or '09 "It's all about the software." I've been following some of these franchises for a while and I will continue to do so on their console(s) of choice. My current ps3 library is about 30 titles, most of them exclusives in varied genres. So while I could easily go out tomorrow and get a Wii and a 360, I still can't justify either purchase. To be somewhat fair, I'm still not sold on the Move either...waiting on more titles *cough 'Sorcery' *cough

Perhaps I've become too biased in Sony's products, but hey, I've enjoyed countless hours of fun and enjoyment. Also, see my first note on the controller.

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BikerSaint
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:10:14 PM
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HMMMM,
Out of the 2,120 games I have on 36 consoles & handhelds, 1,182 of those games are all from the fine family of Playstation!
That's over 1/2 of the games totaled, from all my collections combined.

"Enuf said!"

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:17:55 AM

Damn man!! If you played those games for an average 10 hours each, that's a total of 21,200 hours (or 883 days) of playing time in your life!!!

Of those games, how many make up your 360 collection? Just curious.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:27:40 PM

Dancemachine55,

That would be 115 for the 360.

But besides a few Halo's, GearsOW 1&2, ME1, GTA4, Alan Wake, and a few others, basically the rest of them are just cheap used older under-privileged bargain bin buys bought as fill-in's for my collection(whether I liked/played them or not).

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Lawless SXE
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:11:39 PM
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Xbox 360, because sales are all that matter. Even multiplatform games sell better on the 360 90% of the time, and who cares about the PS3 exclusives. They're all overrated anyway.
/s

No, PS3 by no small margin, if only because of the games. Sure, the 360 has a few that are well worth playing: Alan Wake, Tales of Vesperia, Gears, etc., but they don't match up to the likes of Uncharted, inFamous, Valkyria Chronicles, Heavy Rain or LBP. Reliability is better, Blu-ray puts the PS3 in the top tier of home entertainment. It really is a no brainer.

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kokoro
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:42:51 PM
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Microsoft will always be a massive failure to me because everything they produce is either an obvious ripoff or a glorified imitation.

On the rugby world cup website you need to install "microsoft silverlight" to watch videos- you'd think they'd be normal and have embedded youtube like everyone else.

Though one thing I love doing is using the Bing search engine to get to google- try it, it's surprisingly very satisfying.




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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 1:08:04 AM

lol, Bing is so gay.

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Excelsior1
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:43:24 PM
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all the systems have had their problems so it's tough to say. nintendo came out of no where which was a surprise to many. the problem there it was not a hd system and it had a lot of shovelware. the 360 has picked up a lot of marketshare and has best online service(paid) and in general has better multiplats. they also had the rrod fiasco but strangely did not seem to take much of a hit for it. the hardware is much more stable now but ms has to be called out for making such unreliable hardware at the start of this gen. i also don't like a lot of ms tactics as well...they stuck their noses in jrpg market for no other reason than to cock block sony which i think helped hasten the demise of jrpgs.

finally we get down to the ps3. it's hard to call it the winner when sony went into this gen with so much momentum then kind of fell flat on their face with one of worst luanches in recent memory. ben saying he would not have bought a ps3 at luanch unless he needed it for work says a lot. they are in last place which is surprising considering how popular the ps1, and ps2 were. to their credit they have turned it around and have great exclusives. i'm a sony fan but it's hard to call a system that has faced such an uphill fight and is in last place the winner.

in the end the ps3 is the best platform for me. it has a lot to offer outside of gaming and is great multimedia device as well. the multiplats are much improved and the ps3 enjoys great software support. the only thing it is clearly lacking is cross game chat. in general i think sony will do a lot better next gen. they have weathered the storm, and i am sure they have learned some painful lessons this gen. i think all the first party developers they have lined up positions them for a great luanch next time.



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Temjin001
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 1:28:21 AM

Why does it seem everyone is so quick to attack Sony's first year of PS3 games where 360s first year was worse?
Many of those early 360 games were more like half step generational games. It took until GRAW before glimpses of the future came into view. Then it finally materialized with Gears at the end of year one. Out of the gate Resistance was better than every 360 FPS at the time. Year 1 of PS3 capped off with Uncharted and Ratchet, leading up to that a better version of Oblivion. Other games like NG:S, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Motorstorm, VF5, and Burnout Paradise all debuted during PS3s first year.

Anyway, not to cram crap up butts but Ive been tired of seeing all the lamenting of how terrible ps3s first year was, implying that 360 fans somehow had it better from the start. Maybe you didn't mean that exactly, I just saying. Food for thought.
EDIT:: so burnout was like just outside of year 1, big deal.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 1:48:00 AM

I stopped reading at cross game chat...

J/K, I agree with a few of your points. But don't agree Sony (PS3) is in last place. Maybe here in NA in comparing sales but it's a very, very different story in Japan. So you could still say the PS3 is on top, even if it is elsewhere. Sales don't mean anything in this argument because that's not what this is about. It's about why the console wins this generation by providing the gamer with satisfaction. At least thats what I got from the article. But sales should be considered just not as a whole.

The PS3 has come the furthest since it's launch, which means it's come the furthest in the shortest amount of time with its direct competitor. They've added so much to what the system can do, and we've seen so much progression not only as a home entertainment system, but also in terms of software development. You can't say that about any other system out there. The 360 is At a stand still with new software both graphically and introducing nothing new or great, but promoting multi plat games (cod) as exclusives and continually pushing Halo (great series for the console). The 360 is doing nothing innovative, and don't try and tell me kinect is, when the technology was introduced in the PS2 era. Motion gaming was very relevant with the launch of the PS3 and came with the six-axis and although it struggled as a large part of gaming and developers didn't take full advantage, and the wii did very well with it (wand and nunchuck), the ability was still there in the six-axis controller. Also with the introduction of "move", Sony set a whole new standard in motion gaming, and critics largely agree, again contributing to the fact the PS3 has come so far!

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Excelsior1
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:35:41 AM

@temjin

it wasn't just the games on the ps3 at luanch. it was how they looked and $600 price point. the ps3 was supposed to be more advanced but there were really no games that showed it. that combined with price point really turned people off i think. i remember even in the official playstation magazine they expressed real concern about that. they said rfom was the best luanch game but did not look nearly as good as the likes of gears of war. maybe it wasn't fair to compare a second gen 360 game to a ps3 luanch title but people were. they were also comparing the multiplats. cod looked worse. madden was running at 30 fps compared 60 fps on the 360. it's no wonder some people turned on ps brand. it was just an awful luanch as whole...tons of negativity around the ps3 at luanch that seemed to linger for awhile. i agree the 360's luanch was mostly unimpressive, but was by no means the train wreck the ps3 went through. i never really seen anything like it before...it seemed like every media outlet out there seemed to revel in sony's demise. anybody remember the famous egm issue that featured a tomato splattered ps3 on front?

but hey what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right? i am almost positive sony will make sure their next system is easier to develope for. if they show up for a more expensive system i'm pretty sure there will be games that justify it. sony deserves tons of credit for righting the ship, and are well positioned going into next gen. the only reason i bring up cross game chat is i know it is a small factor in why some go for the 360( at least my friends always bring it up), plus i enjoy online gaming. cross game chat just makes it easier to get a game together. i'm almost positive sony will add that feature next gen.

@big railer

i know many 360's are just door stops but they still count as a console sold technicly. i also know ms has given out a lot 360's as well. i agree ms sales numbers are artificially inflated.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 9:25:52 AM

Resistance was impressive from start to finish and saying the original Gears of War looked better is CRAP.

There may not have been a lot of games for the PS3 to start, but RfoM absolutely proved to me and a lot of people the potential of the PS3.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:01:48 AM

@ben

i respectfully disagree, and that is exactly what john davidson said in the opm about rfom. i still have the issue of that now defunct magazine. i don't think rfom looked as good as the original gears. in fact i would say gears was the first game that i saw and thought wow that looks significantly better than what we saw in the previous gen. the textures in gears were great at the time. that's just my opinion, though.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:54:15 AM

just to make sure i went to metacritic and looked at lot of the original gears reviews. gamespot said: "gears of war is a game that capitalizes on all of the promises of the next generation of gaming. it looks more than a few steps beyond what the consoles have been doing to this point."

that seems to be a common theme in a lot of the reviews. a lot of reviewers were saying gears was the best looking game at that point so it's certainly not a bunch of CRAP for me to say that.

i'm not ripping on resitance. it was a very good looking game for a luanch title and did show the potential of the ps3. i just don't think it screamed next gen like gears did.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 1:20:26 PM

Exilcisor-

Here's what frustrates me about people, and Temjin touched on it a little. The Xbox360 release a full year before the PS3. It is completely unfair to compare games and development of games, from the PS3's launch to a full year of games for the 360 at that point. Developers had time to learn the ins and outs of the 360 by the time the PS3 released. So it is unfair to compare Resistance to Gears, although they are very comparable from a graphics standpoint.

With that said Gears released a full year (roughly) after the 360 was available for retail. So let's bring up Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, and let's throw in MGS4 ( it release a year an a half after the PS3) and compare titles. Obviously there is no question which games look and perform better (Uncharted, MGS4) When comparing the major releases a year after each consoles release. Although Uncharted had a few hiccups there's no question, it looked and felt like a cinema experience, and is such a great looking game, and for MGS4 it was obviously a bar setter for any and all technical achievements at that time (until KZ2). Now thats a very fair comparison.

What this proves is that yes it takes time to understand the architecture in a console, and despite coming out a year after the 360 the PS3 was already ahead in terms of software development, given that R:FoM can an did stand next to Gears (which launched 1 year after the 360) as a true next gen title, as a release title. The launch titles were not great for the 360, nor the PS3 but at least the PS3 had a gem in Resistance which still today IMHO stands up tall as a definitive next gen LAUNCH title.

Gears was not a launch title...

Edit: sorry I said KZ2 originally, which debuted in 2009, 2 years after the PS3 launched.


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Temjin001
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:24:06 PM

I didn't read all of the long text walls, sorry if it's been said already. But two things excelsior, resistance was a FPS and Gears was TPS.
Resistance was more impressive by way of volume, like most insomniac games, and Gears was impressive by way of details, a very UE3 centric approach. It's also worth noting FPS games have you looking down the point of a barrel where TPS games have you behind the characters. Texture detail almost always appears lesser with FPS because you're closer to the texture. Go load up Gears 2 and watch and see how many textures fall apart in muddiness when you zoom into them down a barrel. It really is a matter of perspective, literally.

Second, you'll need to eventually realize that the grain of this community doesn't like to be rubbed in the wrong direction time and time again. We all have good reasons to feel like we do, but sometimes I think you're way too hung up on matters that are way too eccentric to be sympathized with with members here. It'll always be walls of posts in defense if you dot realize that sooner or later. It's not about right and wrong, it's about learning to mingle with the crowd you're engaging. You'll burn yourself out otherwise, causing a lot of friction where there doesn't need be any.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:55:33 PM

@bigrailer

i know gears wasn't a luanch title. that's why i said maybe it was not fair to compare the ps3's luanch titles to a 2nd gen 360 title, but i distinctly remember people doing that. unfair? yes, but it did happen.

@temjin

i understand what you are saying. you are right about me, i am eccentric and tend to harp on things. i'm also open minded and try to be respectful. i don't expect people to sympathize...i am only expressing my personal opinion. i try to be nice abouit it. thumb me down if you do not like it. i will totally understand. i assure i am not trying to cuase friction.

for the most part i think this is a very mature web site, and most members can handle different view points without big problems. it's the only gaming site i know of that has that quality. i tell you what temjin since you brought it up i will be mindful of what you said and try to do better. again, it's not my intention to cuase friction. peace.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:22:56 PM

Excelsior-
You agree it's unfair, yet your still doing it! I see you contradict your self a lot.

That's not so much the issue though, as pointing out the factual evidence as I tried to. To me every system this gen did something great whether it was sell a lot, have healthy promotion, or offer first class exclusives. But there's only one console I see that grew as a platform, media center, and home entertainment center, year over year, offering new and many improvements. That's the PS3, the others, well they did nothing to improve the quality of gaming or viewing media like Sony did.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 6:03:49 PM

Instead of constantly quoting other people, Excelsior, why don't you support what you're saying with your own opinions? Did you even play the first Resistance? At all?

I played both Gears and Resistance the instant they came out. In no way was Gears significantly better in any way, and in no review I can find is the reviewer even comparing Gears to Resistance. You're the only one doing that.

Gears 2 looked better. But the original Gears? Sorry. A mass of gray and black and a few nice details. Yay.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 12:20:50 AM

ben

the only reason i qouted other people is you called my opinion CRAP and i wanted to back it up. yes i played resistance and thought it was a massive grey box as well.

it's interesting bring up gears 2 becuase i actually thought the texture work in it was not as good as the first gears. both resistance 2 and gears 2 had better colour palletes imo.

@bigrailer

after rereading your posts i think we agree on many things. i tried to be fair and mention both positive and negative things about each systam. i don't see the problem.

as i reflected on this subject today about which system won i really had a tough time picking a clear winner. i want to say nintendo becuase so many wrote them off, but i feel pretty conflicted about that choice. the more i think about it there was no clear cut winner. i guess you could argue they all won.



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Excelsior1
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 4:09:02 AM

ben

i said gamers were comparing gears to resistsance and many reviewers were calling it the best looking console to date. it was also brought in opm's ps3 luanch review and opm did say rfom was the best looking luanch game not look as good as gears. they even had tiny little scrren shot of gears in the write up.

now i think i know what temjin means by burning myself out. first i get told my opinion is CRAP by you then you call me a liar basicaly. not cool. the resistance series has never been known as graphical powerhouse. i can't believe we are even arguing about this.

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Warrior Poet
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 12:04:52 AM
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If we're talking about who "Won," that would probably be the highest sales, right? The Wii, then. No contest. It really does have something for the whole family (including "real" gamers who like Metroid!)

My personal favorite? The PS3 had many more great exclusives and of course the multiplats, but I'm the kind of guy who thinks Twilight Princess is a better game than Uncharted 2 (which was definitely awesome). PS3, but it required some thought, actually :)

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gray_eagle
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 12:18:37 AM
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ps3 imo, i have two PS3s, my regular ps3 slim and a retired fat ps3.
they both needed service at different times. sony's customer service was imo, excellent.

my xbox 360, theres nothing i really like about it. the controler is bulky, you really
can'nt do anything unless you sign into xbl. about the nices thing are the visuals
when listening to music.

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StubbornScorpio
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 12:40:30 AM
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The PlayStation 3 takes the crown this generation. Customer support actually helped me when my save files got corrupted, Sony handled the PSN hack quite responsibly, the addition of Blu-ray has expanded my movie viewing experience, and most importantly the games have been phenomenal. From the downloadable front with games like Super Stardust HD, Wipeout, and Flower, to heavy hitters like Uncharted, Resistance, inFAMOUS, etc., there really is no competition. Sony brought it's game in full force.

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The X Factor 9
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 1:34:43 AM
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I would say the Xbox 360 because it has taken over the younger demographic here in America. Kids are brainwashed by Xbox Live and Call of Duty. It is a sad state of gaming.

That said, I love being a PS3 owner. I think that although it is not as popular as it once was, the PlayStation brand name, holds a lot of customer loyalty. I love PS3 exclusives! I use my PS3 3:1 compared to my Xbox 360.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 2:13:56 AM
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Highest rated games - PS3

Best online service - 360

Best backwards compatibility - Wii

Best exclusives - PS3 or Wii

Best multimedia functionality - PS3 (with blu-ray alongside media streaming and a web browser for video content web sites)

Highest console sales - Wii

Highest games sales - PS3

Most innovative technology - Kinect (360)

Most awarded technology - PS Move controller (PS3)

Highest selling game this gen - CoD Black Ops (360)

Now, this is just going by numbers, but any one of these categories can be argued for any other console. Xbox Live is a great service, no doubt about it. But with PSN starting to catch up, and the fact that it's free, feels like the quality gap is starting to close.

Notice that Wii won the highest selling category, but 360 and PS3 are prime to take over within the next few years.

Judging by my list, to say that 360 is the winner of this console generation would be the words of a 360 fanboy. PS3 has far too many pros to warrent it a place behind 360. Sure, Xbox Live revolutionised online gaming with Halo 2 and achievements, but PS3 has it beat pretty much everywhere else!!!

The Wii is in a league of its own in terms of sales, but the number of high rated games is few and far between on the system. Wii Sports, Mario Kart, New Mario Bros, Just Dance and Super Smash Bros are the only high selling games on the console, even if sales numbers tower above any PS3 or 360 exclusive.

All in all, based on personal opinion, I would go with PS3. Sure, it might not have the highest sales, but the quality of the games and power behind the console have just wowed me this gen. Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Gran Turismo, God of War, Resistance, MGS4, Killzone, Littlebig Planet, Motorstorm, Singstar, Buzz, Valkyria Chronicles, ALL of these games are my fave of this gen.

Fable 2, Halo Reach and Gears 2 were my favourite on 360. Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Resident Evil 4 Wii Ed, Xenoblade Chronicles and No More Heroes 2 were my favourite Wii games this gen. Even with these two consoles combined, the number of AAA PS3 exclusives is STILL HIGHER!!!

To me, the console I use the most is the winner of this gen, and for me, it would be PS3. Blu-ray player, web browser, more AAA exclusive titles than I can count, free online play, an open network for things like Steam, I honestly can't see how PS3 could NOT win this gen!! (except with Wii console and game sales, then... yeah... Wii wins this gen)

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kokoro
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 3:07:07 AM

Lol, kinect= innovative? It's just a glorified Eye Toy. Also I wouldn't be so sure about 360 having the best online service.

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Beamboom
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 3:42:41 AM
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My candidate is the only platform that can offer all of the following:

- Backward compatibility: You can run most games from the 90s on a new rig today with no problem at all. Many of them even look and play better today out of the box than they did back then.

- Lowest price: The multiplat games are usually cheapest on this platform and drop much faster and further in price. Therefore, to a hardcore gamer that buy a lot of games it is the cheapest platform.

- By far the largest selection of peripherals.

- Widest genre range: The clearly best selection of smaller genres, like good, deep strategy games, simulators and mmorpgs.

- Widest usage: This platform leaves the competition behind in the dust when it comes to usability.

- Open platform: Make it into whatever you want, use it however you want.

- Keep your favourite game alive for the rest of YOUR life, thanks to the modding community. Or participate yourself and learn a *lot* about game design.

- Longest usage value: Even after it is replaced as a gaming machine it still has many, many years left in it for other purposes.

* * *

The winner is... <drum roll>: The Personal Computer, also known as "PC" for short!

(noone really expected that I would argue for the ps3, did they? ;))

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Beamboom
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:24:00 AM

Oh bummer, I didn't notice it was narrowed down to only "consoles" in the ingress on the front page.

OH well. Playstation then. *sigh*



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Lawless SXE
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 6:30:10 AM

I thought you were on about the Wii until halfway through... Then I realised you were about to shoot yourself in the foot and chuckled to myself.

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Beamboom
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 8:48:49 AM

lol - yeah I tried to cleverly arrange the arguments, felt real smart and all.

... But to my defence, not ONCE in the article is the word "console" mentioned! :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 9:27:29 AM

Oh, see, I would've recognized it more easily if you had just said- "Zero innovation since 1998 and about one exclusive a year worth playing." ;)

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Qubex
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:27:31 AM

Beamboom... I have to admit that Ben is right about the "innovation" part. There are some good titles on the PC, but where does the majority of innovation come from in the industry?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Beamboom
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:59:01 AM

Hehe - well, seeing how the consoles just *now* has discovered online gaming I would not speak too loud about being innovative here. ;)

(I really miss mmorpgs. Other than that I am happy!)

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Axe99
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 5:47:37 PM

There are still some _really_ innovative games on PC - the ease of publishing on PC relative to either PSN or XBL (XBL's apparently tougher than PSN, but Steam or GamersGate or similar are easier than both) mean that indie devs put out a lot more on PC. Sure, there are no big-budget exclusives any more, and the indie games that hit big often come to console as well, but there are some great ideas on PC.

That said, there's also a whole lot of pain-in-the-rear fiddling to get every second (on average) game to just work normally - I only use the PC for what I can't get on PS3 ;).

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AshT
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:23:40 AM
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ofcourse PS3, best exclusive titles, better graphics, free PSN service and more

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___________
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 4:35:14 AM
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defiantly the wii.
1 because its sold the most, i mean look at it its given the term selling like hotcakes a whole new extreme!
2 its delivered the most fun games, spent countless hours ripping zombies apart, thinking up sick sadistic new ways to kill enemies in madword, perfecting my platforming skills in new mario brothers wii, or being as competitive as possible with mario kart.
3 its by FAR the most reliable!
i have had my white wii since launch and it has NEVER stepped a single foot wrong!
everyone i know have a total of 35 wiis and not a single one of them have gone wrong!
me alone has been through several ps3s and i think the one i got at a few months ago is on its way out been freezing allot lately!
then everyone else i know, hell my cuz who got his new ps3 set about 6 weeks ago now i was over his place today and his drive stopped reading blurays the same thing that happened to my original 60GB.
wii first because its done everything right and by far the best.
360 2nd because of its sheer content.
ps3 stone dead last because of its unreliability, and because of the lack of humour.
as ive said a billion times ps3 games are far too stale, too serious, wheres the tong in cheek humour?
if ps3 exclusives were human, they would be german.
so so serious, not allowed to make a joke everything has to be so stale.

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Temjin001
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 9:53:19 AM

You crack me up, man.

I just gotta be sure of something. The Wii like the majority of that post was sarcasm right?

=p

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Zorigo
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:58:23 AM

LBP and Uncharted are tooo serious are they?

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bigrailer19
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 8:23:23 PM

The 360 has content? Hmm

I didnt realize the PS3 was unreliable. Thats funny because even after MS addressed the RROD it still has a failure rate higher than the PS3. Your logic boggles my mind.

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SmokeyPSD
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 5:55:13 AM
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No one won. Thanks to Microsoft bringing in a culture of hate and eroding creativity into the gaming industry and community.

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Zorigo
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:55:17 AM

did you FORGET about activision?

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friction
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 9:08:51 AM
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PC

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:05:14 AM
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I used to play my Xbox 360 alot more than I do now. Most of my gaming time is dedicated to the PS3. This year alone I've purchased 0 exclusive 360 titles and 5 exclusive PS3 titles. I'd say as of right now, the PS3 won it for me. That's not to say that the early years weren't great for it though.

But if the generation ended now I wouldn't have Uncharted 3!

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Zorigo
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 10:54:28 AM
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Sony.
MS are ahead in sales for only two reasons;
1. They released their console a year earlier, more time for sales
2. Many people have to buy more than one xbox. EVERY person i know that has/had an xbox 360 has had at least 3 (i'm not even exxagerating, that is actually the truth).
Because of that, primarily the second reason, you cant take sales as an accurate protrayal of which is better. You could say the x360 obvs must be quite good if people buying it still keep it after their first/second crashes on them, but it took a mate of mine 3 broken xboxes before he decided to try the ps3. He told me he much preferred that.
Network numbers wouldnt be an accurate valuation of consumers either, the group of tools i used to hang out with from my science classes had 3 psn accounts each. and theres like 20 of them! (it was so they could look good on online games, learn the game inside out on a rookie account then play on their best account)

And as for software its clear that Sony by far exceeds MS.
Gears of war, halo and alan wake and fable and PGR and Forza as desirable exclusive titles on the 360 (DESIRABLE being key remember)
Uncharted, Motorstorm, GT5,God Of war, heavy rain, infamous, killzone, LBP, MGS, resistance, twisted metal on the ps3.
which list is longer...?

When it comes down to it, for software, quality, consumer support and incredible functionality (bluray support, PS HOME, all the subscription supports...) its Sony the winner by far.

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firesoul453
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 11:42:48 AM
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In terms of sales. The WII

In terms of games. The ps3

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Axe99
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 5:55:18 PM
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Easily the PS3 for me - even after inheriting a PC that I can dedicate to gaming that is more powerful than my little black box, the PS3 is still my go-to gaming device of choice. Great controller, great system, great graphics (the benefits of PC _are_ there, but the gap's mainly in texture resolution and framerate rather than polygons, and there's a lot of diminishing marginal returns to extra power issues there as well, something everyone will have to deal with for the next gen).

And, of course, the PS3 had competing consoles as well, but the 360's library was more limited in terms of experiences (wider range of game experiences on PS3 - even in the shooter genre somewhat surprisingly - sure, there are more shooters on 360, but how many arcade shooters does one need?), online that was as good and sometimes better if you didn't care about cross-game chat (peer-to-peer online is peer-to-peer online, whether you pay for it or not, and peeps that tell themselves they're getting better connections when they're actually paying for cross-game chat and MS profits are deluding themselves) - the better reference is to the dedicated servers for some Sony exclusives - Warhawk, SOCOM, MAG, KZ2, KZ3 and a few others).

Oh, and a Blu-ray player and pretty handy media server to boot, with good support for third-party peripherals using bluetooth or USB.

I'm glad MS are in the game, as competition from them has made Sony better, but they need to lift their game or (like Ninty - Ben's done a good opinion piece on this) they'll struggle next gen.

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Raze22
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 7:33:43 PM
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So if we were to include the handhelds this gen then I definitely have to pick the DS. It is not only the #1 selling handheld and video game system this gen, but #2 selling video game system of all time. It also smashes in software sales, having at least 139 games that sold at least 1 million units as of march 2011. It has tons of exclusives and a wider dem. It wins at everything except in technical specs which it is the weakest out of all the video game systems this gen.

If handhelds don't count then I choose the ps3. #1 in software sales, technical specs, lifespan, and exclusives compared to the other 2.

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godsdream
Saturday, September 10, 2011 @ 9:20:26 PM
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PS3 fo sho!!! Best games of generation. Good price for what you get (I have a 60 gig, now 120 gig, launch ps3 fatty. $600 totally worth it!). More reliability, no online cost, Backwards compatibility (for me). Controllers. Great sense of keep innovating with time for the console. HOME. Bluray and multimedia. Do you need more things or may I say facts?

It's a clear KO here. PS3 wins let's say in round 7.

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gangan19
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 2:18:05 AM
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I win! I got to play mgs4, uncharted 1&2, killzone 2&3, resistance 1,2,3. I could go on but there is just to much!

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Veitsknight
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 2:17:41 PM
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THQ is already known to be greedy with the online pass. The only reason they want the future to be digital is so they won't have to spend on manufacturing and earn more income thats if they keep the $60 price tag of games.

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