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Ben's Week In Review: October 2

September was busy...October is gonna be even busier. :)

David Cage's dedication is encouraging

As far as I'm concerned, we can put Quantic Dream boss David Cage in the same "visionary" category as guys like Hideo Kojima and Kazunori Yamauchi. In reading Cage's comments concerning his outlook on game design, it occurred to me that provided such guys maintain their passion and creative drive, gamers will continue to benefit. More importantly, innovation and revolution won't ever die. Interestingly enough, it almost sounds as if Cage is apologetic when he says other game makers have other things to think about; i.e., family stuff. Doesn't it sound like he's apologizing for not growing up?

I really do sense a little regret in his words, but the cool part is that he can't help it. He loves what he does and he seems 100% authentic. Once again, I have to thank all gamers who rewarded Cage and Quantic Dream for the amazing Heavy Rain; that success allows the studio to take the next step, and I can't wait to see what it is.

"Greatly damaged?" ...no sh**, Square Enix

You've gotta be kidding me. You're blaming the downfall of the Final Fantasy brand on FFXIV? That's why the brand is "greatly damaged?" Look, I understand that Nomura was specifically asked about FFXIV, but why didn't he take that opportunity to talk about the legions of long-time series fans that essentially had a meltdown when FFXIII came out? You know, after all that, I never once heard Square Enix acknowledge the negative response that game generated. Not once. I heard sales updates, but that's about it. It's why I've said in the past that they simply don't listen to the fans.

And yes, I'm aware that FFXIII was a great game. I know it was a great game. I put over 100 hours into it and I didn't regret it (well, not entirely). It just wasn't a great Final Fantasy, nor do I really consider it a full role-playing game. These are hardly unique ideas; a great many fans say the exact same thing. And somehow, Square Enix has either missed or ignored it all. Well, whatever.

Personal gaming update

Well, after finishing a bunch of games recently, I thought I'd finally be able to conquer Catherine before the fall onslaught arrived. Not quite. I'm still convinced I'll finish Atlus' excellent puzzler (I have to see how the story turns out!) but right now, it's all about RAGE, Dark Souls, and the surprising Atelier Totori: Adventurer of Arland. Now, I can't really talk about the other two until this week, but I think most of you know that I love RAGE. That's the only hint you'll get, however. ;)

As for Dark Souls, I'll just say that it's brutal and punishing, and I'm not convinced that it's better than Demon's Souls. I have some control and camera concerns...but I have to keep playing before I pass judgment. On a different subject, if you're looking for something invigorating and fresh, I would recommend Child of Eden. You've never really seen anything like it before and visually, it'll blow your hair back.

Lastly, we should be having our Home party this Thursday for the PSXE Show Episode #6. It isn't confirmed yet but hopefully, we're good to go for that. Also, look for more old episodes on our YouTube Channel. Oh, and unfortunately, Level-5 didn't have time to answer our WKCII questions...I got the feeling that the team isn't too happy with the game's reception here in the West.

10/1/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (98 posts)

Lawless SXE
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 9:40:52 PM
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Shame about the L-5 interview falling through. Ah well.

Cage is an interesting guy, but he's also the type that should just let his projects speak for themselves, not because he doesn't have good and interesting things to say, but because his games are so unique and so downright amazing that he needn't say anything to defend them or himself. The guy is amazing.

Personal Update:
Haven't been around much this week, obviously. Spent two days moving furniture over 150km, which ultimately meant that I had almost no gaming time, but I did fool around in FFIV for a little while. Same goes for reading, really. Though I did pick up one of two Sherlock Holmes collections, and I'll hopefully be picking up the other in a couple of weeks.
Ran off the road due to tiredness the other day, resulting in some damage to my car, which sucks, but everything is all good.
I intend to finish Bad Company 2 this week, and maybe play through Dante's Inferno or something before getting stuck into the Uncharted trilogy. We'll see, and I hope I can get back to being around more...
Peace.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 1:44:22 AM

Lawless,
Glad to hear you're OK!
And hopefully your car's still drivable.

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:51:06 AM

Yeah, just lost one of the rearview mirrors, flare over the rear tyre, brake light.. That's about it really.

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 9:42:48 PM
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Ben, you are a 1 man wrecking crew when it comes to playing new releases and preparing their reviews. Looking forward to your Rage and Demon Soul's reviews.

Oh and I'm thoroughly looking forward to David Cage's next game.

PGU: Battlefield 3 beta (I think this will fair better than MW3 with critics....not with sales unfortunately), GeoW3, and soon onto Ico.

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PasteNuggs
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 9:43:15 PM
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Yes I agree David Cage is a visionary. Also, I never thought of a Heavy Rain sequel. I mean with all the possible endings how would they make a sequel that makes sense?

PGU: I got Gears Of War 3 Monday and finished it Wednesday. I'm still playing some online and Horde mode until it gets boring. I must say that Epic did a really great job with the game.
The worst thing happened last night. I had to choose between Ico/SotC collection, GOW: Origins, Deus Ex, Dead Island and Catherine. So I ended up getting Ico/SotC and Dead Island. I feel regret I think because I just want them all so badly.

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 9:49:08 PM

You know of the amazon deal right now? Buy 1 PS3 collection get the 2nd for half off. You should check it out if you didnt already open Ico/SotC

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BikerSaint
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 1:55:32 AM

jimmyhandsome,

Yeah, I was all over that page the second Amazon sent me the flyer, but unfortunately there wasn't a big selection of games there.

Fortunately though, I didn't leave empty Handed as I was able to at least grab Crysis 2 & Uncharted 2 GOTY Edition.

I also wanted Mass Effect 2, but I couldn't find one other game I wanted to bundle with it (not even in all the other console & handheld categories either). So I'll just keep looking for a deeper price drop on that one.

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Riku994
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 10:01:24 PM
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Remember when SE was surprised at all the fans that wanted a FF7 remake?

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 10:15:16 PM

Don't remind us. How out of touch can they be?

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Riku994
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 10:51:59 PM

Apparently worse than we thought. The only competent team leader there is Nomura :P

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:57:28 AM

That's why I want Nomura out of Square-Enix and to start his own RPG studio with Sony. S-E will then see most (if not all) of their PlayStation fans bid them "Sayonara!"

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 6:38:12 AM

Next, Captain Obvious Nomura is going to realize: "Wait... We're supposed to make RPGs?"

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:43:01 AM

Wada is Captian Obvious, not Nomura.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:24:32 PM

With the total disconnect between S-E and its (former) fans under Wada's so-called "leadership", he's more like Captain Oblivious.

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Ishkur
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 11:06:35 PM
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yeah since ffx i haven't finished them, and havent cared to... its as if they're just catering... catering to someone.. but not me

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main_event05
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 11:47:11 PM

I haven't really cared to finish one since 12. and boy that was that most anticlimactic boss fight ever.

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SoulController
Saturday, October 01, 2011 @ 11:47:50 PM
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David Cage is the man. I love his passion for gaming and understanding the importance of having his own lane. Thats how its done Squeenix!!

Speaking of which, Im sick of them. Unless Versus is good and Wada steps down, I will never buy another game from them. We all as gamers need to do it because its the only way these boneheads will get it. They're friggin playing with our minds I tell ya..

PGU: I platinumed Chains of Olympus this week and Ill platinum Ghost of Sparta as well, just not as quickly because of my crazy backlong. Its really crazy; Deadspace Extraction, Enslaved, Castlevania, Undead Nightmare, Valkyrie Chronicles, Vanquish, New Vegas. wow! I just bought the ICO collection, Dark Souls is a must and Uncharted 3 is preodered. What the hell is wrong with me lol

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:26:46 AM
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I loved Heavy Rain and it's it's awesome to have people in the business that care about games that much. It is their job and they started doing it because they loved it. Some just need to remember that passion they had before.

Squeenix has a lot to do to make me love them again. Who knows it may never happen. At least I still have the classics.

PGU: I finished R3 on Superhuman last Saturday. Did it on co-op and have a blast. The game is great and plan on finishing up everything else for the plat soon.
I finished Crysis 2 on Superhuman last night. Man it really wasn't that hard since I had upgraded everything playing it on easy first. Plus I just really snuck through all the levels. Overall the game was enjoyable. I earned about 65% of the trophies and have called it quits. I have to many other games to work on and I just don't feel like grinding the MP.
I'll be picking up Rage Tuesday and can't wait to dig into it. Game looks amazing and from the way Ben hints it's fun. My backlog is to big to list but a few new ones are Dead Island, and GoW:Origins. Plus this month I'm also picking up Batman:AC, BF3, and November is Uncharted 3. I'm hoping to also get The Ico collection soon.

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FxTales
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:40:26 AM
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How come Dark Souls wasn't a ps3 exclusive? I didn't play Demon's Souls but I knew that it was exclusive, did they give a reason why?

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Claire C
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:53:53 AM

Dark Souls is called a spiritual successor. That way they avoided the exclusivity of it being a sequel with "Demon's" in the title. I guess technically there could still be a Demon's Souls 2 someday, which would then be PS3 exclusive.

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FxTales
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 6:49:40 PM

Ah I see thanks Claire.

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:43:09 AM
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Ben, as you said, you can't really say to much.

The one thing though I would love to know at this stage, is simply this; technically do ID prove once again that they know what they are doing - yes/no - because comparing their tech to the Frostbite2 engine will be very interesting for me?

I am particularly interested in their Mega Texturing technique which I think all developers should look at adopting. More needs to be backed into the textures rather than having "floating" objects literally floating above the ground - such as in BF3 :( Even the bushes float in BF3 when crawling past them along a wall... incredibly bad and very sad to see... Rage may be a better bet than BF3 at this point...

PGU: The Battlefield3 Beta

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:44:26 AM

If BF3 looks better than RAGE, I'll be surprised.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:26:35 AM

speaking of bf3 and frostbite 2.0...what a let down. i know it is just a beta but i doubt we will see any major graphical upgrades between now and when the game ships. there are some nasty looking textures and shadows going on in this supposed advanced engine. in a lot of ways it looks very similar to the medal of honor mp which i thought was a kind of ugly looking game. there is also a noticeable amount of screen tearing. i have come to despise screen tearing over the years. it just looks awful having a screen tear on a huge hdtv. all of these problems add up to unimpressive looking beta. you would think that after months of listening to ea/dice carrying on like a crack addicted hype spewing furbie they would be a little more careful with their bf3 beta. oh well, it is what it is. bf3 may still end up fine but ea should watch what they feed their hype monster becuase it may come back and bite them in the a$$.

square has its problems for sure. they have lost a lot of talent over the years plus i think they have poor leadership at the top. there has not been an elite ff game since ff10 imo. i am very much looking forward to ff10 hd.

pgu

i bought the re hd games. if you are a plus member you can get them for half price. for $20 you get both hd games plus you download re1-3 for free as well which is pretty cool. that's a great deal for people who love the resident evil series. i am playing through code veronica x right now and i love it. the music and atmosphere are great. atmosphere is so important in re series. that is something capcom totally forgot with re5.

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___________
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 8:50:51 AM

on consoles it looks pretty crap, but on PC it will melt your face!
i wont be surprised if it actually looks better then RAGE.
the builds still a month old, they will make heaps of improvements to it by the time its out.
i remember the visual upgrade uncharted 2 had from beta to release.

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:20:30 AM

Thanks Ben, that is all I needed to know... I will go and pick up Rage as soon as I can get my hands on it...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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BikerSaint
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:03:47 AM
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Ben, I can't wait to see your reviews on Rage & Dark Souls.

As for Cage, I always thought of him as a genius ever since he released Fahrenheit(Indigo Prophacy in NA)

About my own PGU....
Not much of one this week cause on the 15th of Sept, Verizon notified me that they were going to upgrade my DSL from 3Mbs to 7Mbs(at no extra charge).
But...... what a f*cking circle-jerk fiasco that turned out to be.

The very next day UPS was at my door with a new upgraded Verizon modem that's also has wireless too now.
Well guess what? From the 16th till just this past week, I had almost a completely non-existent internet, plus even my phone service was cut off too until last Friday, and with no frigging way to even contact them about it.

But just before my phone-line cut off, I called Verizon's tech support(which is actually outsourced to India) 3 days in a row & they were no frigging help at all.
Besides me not being able to understand their strong accents & dialect, when they couldn't correct the problem they would just put me on hold & then disconnect me altogether. After this happened 3 different days with 3 different tech support, I'm convinced that it's their standard business practice over there to cut you off if they haven't fixed the problem within 25 minutes of starting your phone help.

Anyway there were 3 days where I managed to re-set everything myself, but my DLS would slow down until everything just bogged down(BTW, I took many ping & speed tests to prove it) & then my DSL would kick off again within 3 hours, for another couple days or more.

I kept playing around with it & I finally got it to work right for good since myself last Friday & now I'm averaging around 6.4Mbs instead of that measly, sporadic, -2Mbs I was averaging before(so far)
"Knock on wood"

(continued below)

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BikerSaint
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:04:14 AM
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(continued from above)

But all my down time wasn't a total loss!

I managed to come into some money, & just before clearing out all my overdue bills, I made sure I paid myself first so I wound up taking another of my Wild Game Safari Hunts.

I picked 2 more PSP 3000's for my collection(MGS green camo & Hannah Montana metallic lavender). I picked up a re-certified 750 GB HD that I'm going to pop in my 320 GB Slim Move Bundled Princess, some 32GB M2 Micro(PSPGO), SD Micro, ProDuo, & flash drive memory sticks/cards, with assorted adapters, & ton of accessories for almost all of my systems, and a couple of 320 & 500 GB external HD's for backing my PS3 up. I also ordered a slew of assorted retro gaming & HDTV related accessories from Hong Kong.

I also picked up over 80 games = 11 PS3, 7 PS2, 14 PS1, 5 PSP, 4 360, 1 Xbox, 3 Wii, 7 GameCube, 3 GB Advance, 4 Dreamcast, & 1 Genesis(so far, but I'm still looking, & it's still early yet).

But my sweet Slim Princess(Phat Princesses much younger sister) has really gotten the major bulk of my joystick's fondling ...
a new "off/on" switch adapter
a 2nd set of Move & Navigator controllers
2 Move Pistols
a Sharpshooter
a Nyko Skill Shot Tacticle Rifle
a PS3 compatible Text Link remote w/slide out keyboard & controller buttons
a wireless handheld mini-keyboard w/touch pad
a PS3 official Sony wireless stereo headset


The new games I've just added into my PS3 collection
Dead Rising 2
Brink
Bulletstorm: Limited
Deus Ex: Augmented Edition
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Lost
Lost Planet 2
Hellboy
NFS:Carbon
Spit/Second
DJ Hero 2 bundle(w/ turntable)
Tony Hawk Shred bundle (w/board)
Power Gig: Rise of the sixstring
RE 5
Wall*e
Bourne Conspiracy
Crysis 2
Uncharted 2 GOTY Edition
(Move games)....Eyepet, Playstation Move Heroes, The Fight: Lights Out, The Shoot, Start The Party, & TV Superstars

Plus I'm still hunting for another refurbed 60 GB Phat Princess(hopefully within the next few weeks) & the new Flex-Fire Move Rifle that's about to come out.

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Claire C
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:05:58 AM

O_O Wow, you put me to shame.

Nice collectin! =)

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frylock25
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:38:50 AM

Biker if it werent all video games i might call you a horder! lol ha ha video game horder

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:46:57 AM

Damn, I wish you're my next-door neighbour I could call out to for a round of multiplayer gaming. LOL You put everyone on this site to shame with your huge collection of video games and consoles! You really should consider joining Sony's newest fan competition sir. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're a shoo-in!

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Lawless SXE
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:20:51 AM

Damn man, How do you ever plan to find the time to play all of those?

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:24:46 AM

An incredible feat really... will done Mr. Saint... now please haul the US economy out of its doldrums...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 11:27:33 AM

@Qubex: ROFL!

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Snaaaake
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:18:19 AM
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Just played the BF3 beta and wow, Frostbite 2 is arguably the biggest disappointment this year so far.
Even the Resistance 3 demo looks better, the beta was buggy and the graphic isn't all that impressive.

Yes it's a beta but we're less than a month away from release.

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:46:56 AM

So was Crysis 2 when that beta was released and it turned out fine aside from obvious overuse of motion blur.

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:27:06 AM

Have to say the Crysis 2 engine was actually very good. I like the way they dappled the edges of all the shadows... it is a great way to soften them. Unfortunately DiCE will not do this for Frostbite 2.

Jawk, they are going to have to really improve this baby to make me forgive'm this time... Otherwise its Rage and Killzone 3 for the collection.

By the way Jawk, are you still playing Killzone 3 multiplayer?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:30:22 AM

I haven't popped Killzone 3 in since before I went to Europe but I certainly plan to. It's multiplayer is a log of fun.

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___________
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:24:55 AM
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it was really encouraging to read that interview a few days ago, though i just wish we could get a heavy rain sequel.
just the story of it was so interesting, and something we have really never seen in a game before.
i wish they would do a HD collection for IP since i never got a chance to play it.
i cant wait to see what hes new game is, i just hope this time the ending and motives are a little more believable!
far too many games these days are far too far fetched!
one of the most important things in storytelling is to root your story in reality, either in past history like assassins creed, or in future history like mass effect.
the only reason why people love both those stories so much is because they feel like if you went to their time you could totally see the games events taking place.
they feel real they dont feel out of place at all!

as for $E, well i just had to piss myself laughing when i read that.
then my next reaction was, what IV ONLY!?
come on $E, allot more then just that game has ruined the series!
if you seriously cant see that, then god dam your so blind not even jesus could heal you!

i got the ico collection the other day, my god i have not disliked a game that much since, well, EVER!
SOTC is far too repetitive, its travel to this colossi, spend 20 minutes climbing him, then another 20 minutes because you fell down because the controls are so unresponsive and clunky, then spend another 20 minutes climbing him because again you fell down because again the controls are so unresponsive and clunky.
rinse and repeat!
i thought there would be some platforming or some combat or something to separate the colossi battles up, but theres not!
its just travel to colossi, kill colossi, travel to colossi, kill colossi, rinse and repeat.
thats gotta be the most simplistic, most repetitive formula ever put into a game!
i mean come on, ive played plenty repetitive games before but this has gotta be the first time ive seen a game made out of 1 level repeated several times!

ico was ok, just FAR too outdated!
i mean its a freaking ps2 game for crying out loud, but theres no checkpoints!
WTF?
FREAKING PS1 GAMES HAD CHECKPOINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even the puzzles feel so outdated, almost every puzzle involves moving a box around.
but you can only move it back and forward not left or right.
WTF?
again, freaking ps1 games let you do that!
SOTC is the most repetitive game ive ever played, and ICO is certainly the most outdated!
the combats really boring too, just mash square as fast as you can and you only have 3 attacks before its repeated.
it gets really annoying too, you have to kill far too many enemies before the game lets you move on, and when you do finally get to move on your only allowed to take 2 steps before more enemies spawn!
you spend 99% of a level killing enemies, and 1% actually platforming and solving puzzles!
this has gotta be the first time where i have picked up a game, played it for like a hour, then switched over to its spiritual sequel, played it for a hour then taken it back.
normally i try and force myself to finish it, or at least get half way in hopes it will change, but with this i just cant do that its boring the f*ck out of me!
and i use to say GTAIV is the most overrated game of all time, i think i know now what its replacement is!
this has totally killed all the excitement and anticipation i had for TLG!
which is probably a good thing, because by the time that comes out my great grand kids will have great grand kids!

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Lairfan
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:08:22 PM

This proves once again that you do not know what you're talking about.

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___________
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 8:12:44 AM

you should talk!

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Underdog15
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 8:21:48 AM

He doesn't need to. 10 thumbs down... 2 thumbs up. One from yourself, and one from Beamboom who likes to play devils advocate... not because he agrees with you.

Predictable as ever.

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:45:34 AM
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Ugh!!!!! Just wasted two hours trying to beat that damn scorpion in God of War III on chaos. That crap is cheap. There aren't enough check points. I kept getting to the end of the first half then I would screw up the quick time event! Ugh!!!! It's times like this I hate video games. Two hours wasted and no progress. Too frustrated to continue or to sleep. I need a glass of water. :p

By the way, I got that PS3 wireless headset. It's freakin awesome. Been playing while the baby and wife sleep. They can't hear a thing.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 6:31:16 AM

Try the Archdemon from DA:O on Nightmare. Took me 4 straight hours, no break.

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:29:32 AM

Jawk, I am thinking of getting it as well; but what I wanted to know is that can it accept a feed from any audio source, and not just the PS3?

If yes I will get it for sure... I wanted it to be multiple purpose and not just for the PS3...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:32:45 AM

In the instruction booklet it said it can be used with the PS3 and PC only. If I am reading it correctly. the sound is quite good. I have only tried it with the Battlefield beta and God of War. Can't wait to try it with Killzone.

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 1:15:16 PM

Playing games with a headset is so much better, more of the thrill is actually keeping up with the player.

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Underdog15
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:38:23 PM

I hate QTE's. You spend nearly the whole game doing one type of gameplay, then at rare occasions on bosses, you're expected to expertly execute QTE's. They are always SO much different than the majority of the gameplay. I wouldn't mind them so much if your success wasn't so dependent on doing them perfectly.

I mean, sure... add them to gain upper hands on bosses if done well, but I hate it when they -NEED- to be performed to beat a boss. I just really dislike draining a boss' health bar without ever getting hit only to make a small mistake on a QTE and have to either start the process over, or get a game over.

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 3:34:23 PM

I don't mind them. I actually like them in God of War. That last few minutes of the battle got my heart pumping. Finally beat it this morning by the way only to now get stuck in the labyrinth. Blagh! Chaos mode is indeed chaos.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 4:27:58 AM
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If it is true that L5 cancelled the interview because of the reception then I gotta say; what kinda defensive, sulky attitude is that??? If they ever want to get anywhere on this market they should not retreat but go forth and communicate, consult, initiate a dialogue!
And on top of that, psxe is one of the very few sites that rated this game high...!

Were it received better in japan (is there a japanese metaranking site?)?


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Excelsior1
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:31:56 AM

@beamboom

was it better received in japan? it's funny you should ask that. the first game was not that well received in japan either. famitsu scored it low and was very critical of the dry story and online elements. it took forever for it crack 1 million copies sold(worldwide)as well. it's not just the west that has picked on wkc.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 9:39:38 AM

Is that so? Anyone can confirm this? Cause then, why are "everyone" blaming the western world and our reception if it was the same also in the east?

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Teddie9
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 9:45:48 AM

No they didn't score it low (maybe by diehard fan standards)Famitsu gave it 33/40 which is like 83%, higher than what Ben gave it.

As far as sales go I can't comment on that, it's sad in that regard.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:41:50 AM

the first wkc got a 29/40 from famitsu which translates to a 72% score. that's definitely significantly lower than this site scored it. just do a google search on the term wkc famistsu score and you will see multiple headlines stating famitsu does not like wkc. i know famitsu can be tough but they scored other jrpgs a lot higher. the sequel did fair better.

as for reviewers killing off jrpgs...let's just say i think it is way more complex than that. the first thing i would blame is the huge drop off in both quanity and quality we have seen this gen in jrpgs. i only have to look at my extensive jrpg collections for the ps1 and ps2 to see that. there has been 1 elite jrpg released this gen imho. that would be the lost odyssey, and that game was on the wrong system.

i would also point out ms did a lot of things at the start of this gen that distorted the jrpg market and hastened its demise. when jrpgs did not sell on system with a huge shooter contingent puplishers just assumed there was no market for them. i think those jrpgs might have faired better on the ps3 but becuase of ms we will never know.

there is the argument that the west has turned into a bunch of mindless twitchers as well. there is no doubt shooters are extremely popular, but i think the success of games like mass effect 2, la noire, deus ex, and fall out 3 shows that games with some depth can succeed. we aren't just a bunch cod drones. there is room on the market for games that require some thought.

it's hard to guage the impact reviewers have had on jrpgs this gen becuase there are so few titles to judge. especially elite jrpgs. i would put reviewers way down on my list of reasons jrpgs have declined. i would also note that it's not just jrpgs that have suffered this gen. the entire japanese gaming sector is in decline. the only series that i can think of that has not had a drop in quality is the mgs series.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 11:21:14 AM

"we aren't just a bunch cod drones. there is room on the market for games that require some thought"
Indeed we are not, and indeed there is.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:15:43 PM

Excelsior: It's true that we don't have many straight JRPGs to examine, and also true that we don't have as many elite JRPGs this generation. But it's absolutely true that most critics for major sources are not fans of "old-fashioned" battle mechanics. It's not so much the Japanese part they dislike, it's the fact that such games aren't "keeping up" with the rest of the world.

What they fail to realize, of course, is that such mechanics work extremely well and the fans continue to love them. Maybe a good example would be to see how a game like Atelier Totori is received. It hasn't been handled by a big source just yet, but I'd keep an eye on that. The game deserves at least an 8 and more like a mid-8. If you see 6s and even low 7s from the big sources, it absolutely means they're biased against "old-fashioned" styles.

Because from an objective viewpoint, there's really nothing glaringly wrong with that game.

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Highlander
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 8:17:37 PM

Excelsior, stop trolling it's becoming tiresome. WKC1 got a lower score than the sequel, but bringing up the original's Famitsu score which is something like three years old seems pretty stupid when talking about the western response to the second game now.

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Underdog15
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 8:25:05 AM

I think the first year of the 360's life had a couple AAA jRPG's. But xbox'ers have never been interested in jRPG's... the original XBOX had how many jRPG's again??? Why would early 360 adopters want them?

Microsoft saw that PS3 had loads of jRPG's that sold and MS wanted a piece of the pie. They succeeded, but not in a way they anticipated. Instead of offering them as an option, they effectively killed the genre off for half a decade.

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Highlander
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:16:20 AM

MS nearly killed the genre in the west. Look at the reception WKC2 has had. Do you think it would have had that kind of reception in 2004?

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FatherSun
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 4:36:56 AM
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I agree that Cage is a visionary. Along with Kojima And Kaz. You have to respect these guys. Yeah, they can pop out a game in a year if they really wanted to. Potentially making millions more, but no. Their artistic integrity prevails and true gems are created. I always look forward to any of the projects they work on. I say thanks for the memories to each of them.

Square-Enix is on dangerous ground. I have lost faith in them some time ago but now they may lose something far more precious: HOPE. Right now they are straight tripping. It's one thing to stumble but another to remain calm and humble. 10 points to whoever figures out that reference.

PGU: It's all about Ico and Shadow. Timeless classics.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:47:09 AM
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PGU: bugs and glitches aside, im having a crap load of fun with BF3.
Also started playing thru xenogears again, my third time going thru it. been so long since i last played it, forgot how long certain sections of the game are

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 6:29:18 AM
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I nearly worship the ground David Cage walks on. Being a writer myself, he's been such an inspiration ever since I first played Indigo Prophecy. To hear him say what he did about maintaining creativity and such, has really hit home with me. It's great to know that there are still some people with a sense for the arts and what they're actually supposed to mean. Maybe Cage should give SE a good talking to. I'm sure he could do some damage control.

PGU:
Not many new games have passed my way, as I'm still laying in wait for that first day of November. Other than trying out the BF3 beta - which is really pretty great for an FPS - nothing new.
To get myself pumped up for UC3, I've been playing so much of UC and UC2. I already Platinumed UC, and need to do so with UC2. Only about 2 trophies away from achieving that, but I've been lazy around that. I'm somewhat hoping that I can Platinum UC3 within 5 days like I did with inFAMOUS 2 :D

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Qubex
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:33:51 AM

This issue is this... it is all very well not to "worry" about money until the day comes that you really need it. Cage is brave... if something were ever to happen whereby he was not able to work in video games anymore, for what ever reason that may be, it is times like this that one needs a plan B, and maybe a plan C... including having some money behind oneself as a safety net.

I think one can be safe and still be creative. Cage is still relatively young and can spend a few more years yet taking risks... problem is that doesn't last for ever... one really does have to think of the future... and the future in today's world is that finding and keeping a job is difficult. Getting well paid and retaining your benefits are difficult... every dollar counts today... and one, quite simply, can't have enough to secure ones future adequately...

But... as you say; it is encouraging to see creatives like Cage stick it out... take risks to stay true to his vision, and then actually pull it off successfully... a damn difficult thing to do in its own right. All credit to him and it will be interesting to get some news on Quantic's next project, whatever that will be...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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SolidFantasy
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:30:14 AM
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I completely agree with you been about FFXIII. It really is a slick game. The problem is that after 12 and earlier the world has come to expect bar setting RPGs that blow the competition out of the water. Crisis Core was the closest thing to most recently. And even then I want a AAA mother console Final Fantasy. Like the old days.

PGU: I know square can do better because I'm playing through FFIX right now and loving every second of it. I would still rank VIII and VII ahead of it, but it really is true FF gem.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 9:30:37 AM
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Pgu:
Dead Island: my coop buddies and I has given up on that game now. Will trade it in, even. Beating dead guys gets boring remarkably fast, and being three like we were, beating and kicking a seemingly defenseless individual just felt so very wrong. Really, it did. We all said it almost at the same time. It looks ugly.

Resistance 3: So my main coop buddy and I has returned to R3. And I gotta say; that game has quality written all over it. The animations of the mobs are absolutely splendid and the gameplay is excellent. It is a simple game, sure, straightforward action but does not deserve to be ignored by the ps3 crowd.

Deus Ex: I deliberately progress as slow as technically possible to delay the ending. Absolutely love it, but it also has made me miss what I wanna call "real" rpgs. Miss more interaction with the characters, customization, non-violent content. I miss BioWare rpgs. But I'm not complaining, these are good days for gaming!

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:35:24 AM

For some reason Deus Ex is failing to grab me. I started playing it before I got the GoW: Origins Collection which distracted me for it and once I finished that I picked up GoWIII again. Lol

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:58:55 AM

I can totally understand how Deus Ex is failing to grab some gamers. DE is not for everyone, but those kind of games tend to be more for those it's for... If that made any sense. :D
It's probably my personal favourite game so far of the ones released after Crysis 2.

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Claire C
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 6:23:12 PM

Deus Ex Human Revolution is easily one of my favorite games this generation.

I'm looking forward to trying Dead Island.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:10:06 PM

Loooved Deus Ex.

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Claire C
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:40:33 PM

XD

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Teddie9
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 9:42:11 AM
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Sigh....Bennnnn....I didn't plan to get rage, but now...sigh I'll read your review.

PGU: Got the ICO/Sotc bundle, in truth it's all about sotc for me - not a big fan of ico at all.

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:37:40 AM

Rage actually looks like what Boarderlands should have been. I never cared for Doom or his other games but Rage looks brilliant.

I absolutely loved ICO. It took about a half hour to grow on me but once it did I couldn't put it down.

Thanks again Limited Vertigo! ;)

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 11:15:31 AM

@Jawk: It *looks* like what Borderlands should have been, yes, but imo it miss what made Borderlands so great: The 4p storyline/campaign coop. As a single player game I don't think I'd even bother beating it. As a coop game though it goes straight into my top 3 coop experiences so far on the ps3.

I have however no doubt that Rage is an awesome single player game. As such it *must* beat Borderlands.

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Jawknee
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 2:17:19 PM

Boarderlands was just too plagued with Unreal glitchiness and terrible animations. I couldn't get into it. I always wanted to play a Falloutish game but the Fallout series is too buggy. Can't wait for Rage.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:09:36 PM

Rage rapes Borderlands in the single-player department. That's all I can say.

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Claire C
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:59:52 PM

That quote should be on the box. lol

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Beamboom
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 2:11:14 AM

Oh yeah Borderlands were far, far from perfect. It was plagued by a lot of things. It was also far too easy and the story had big gaping holes, not to mention the half-implemented features like colour setting on your clothes that are reset each time you load a game, likewise with a non-persistent custom character name that are not even used in in the game whatsoever, loads of details like that. They quite clearly had to finish their work at a stage. This game smelled like a strict budget production where it's success were far from taken for granted.

But these things are what makes me so optimistic for next years Borderlands 2. Now they know their concept is well received by a large crowd and they can work on the sequel without a bunch of nervous investors on their back.
I expect Borderlands 2 to be better than the first in every possible way with maybe one exception: The DLCs. Cause they already rocked in B1.



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Highlander
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:14:51 AM

That quote should not be on any box. I'm not sure when the word 'rape' transitioned from being a verb that described an intense violation of another person sexually into a verb that conveyed the meaning of being badly outdone.

Truly, I find it offensive that people use the word incorrectly. In my opinion using it in this matter devalues and minimizes the actual meaning of 'rape'. If ever there was a word that deserved to hang onto the depth and intensity of it's meaning, that is one of them. Let's please try to find another term instead?

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Underdog15
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:26:51 AM

Ya, sorry guys... I'm all for letting things go when people don't mean anything offensive, and I also think people get overly worked up about words...

But "rape" does hit home for me. I have a sibling with a very unfortunate past. It's one of those few things in life that actually makes you want to severely hurt someone. Even if you aren't a violent person.

Sorry to make an issue of something. I don't mean to be "that guy".

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Fane1024
Wednesday, October 05, 2011 @ 3:48:04 AM

Technically, "rape" means "seize, carry away", but I agree its casual usage is in bad taste.

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BIGRED15
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 10:58:50 AM
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Pgu:

Really I mean REALLY captivated by the battlefield beta right now. I mean this game shows a lot of promise for shooter of the year. The beta graphically is well sloppy, but we all know that. Regardless though I love how thr beta is basically the full game with one map and a very tricky map at that. I like most people was skeptical because this beta was released and the game comes out in less than a month. That's when I was thinking WTF?

Fortunatley I did some digging and DICE spoke out on Twitter that the beta is a slimmed down version using dated coding I believe from the closed beta. The assured that most if not all the bugs have already been corrected.

Regarding its graphics the beta is unimpressive but I heard jimmy fallon was doing a special on BF3 on the ps3. Yea no one should have to worry about the graphics. They will still blow ur mind. It's gonna probably get my shooter of the year regardless

Oct 25th and counting down the days...

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 11:19:19 AM

Thanks for that update, I am crossing fingers and toes for BF3.

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JDC80
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 11:19:30 AM
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PGU: Finally in the playoffs in both NHL and NBA 2k11 about to sweep the Minnesota Wild with the Red Wings and in "NBA 2k11" I'm 3 wins away from moving the Pistons to the second round. About to enter the sewers in "Dead Island". Going to get "Spider-Man edge of time" sometime next week from Gamefly.

Games added to the collection: I got "Dead Rising 2" for 4 bucks and since the Christmas is coming up so when I put my family gifts on layaway I'm going to put at least one or two games up for myself.

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duomaxwell007
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 12:06:00 PM
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umm isnt happy with WKC2 reception? It sold 53k copies in the US in the first week, thats more copies total that EU has sold since it came out back in June.. thats great for a game like WKC which has a bad rep anyway... surely they didnt expect a million copies sold in the first month type of game now did they?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:08:24 PM

I'm not talking about sales. I'm talking about reviews.

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Highlander
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 8:20:34 PM

Ben is talking about the media's reception of the game which has been nigh on xenophobic. Having played through the game there is not one major criticism of the game I am able to found grounds for. The comments about the story being weak might be fair based on the first game, but the second part of the story is - in my opinion - far stronger. Not to mention that the cutscenes in this game (the second part) are almost entirely generated within the game engine, and they look nearly as good as the pre-rendered ones from the original, with the exception of minor lip-synch issues. The western media is extremely hostile to this game, and I have no idea why.

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duomaxwell007
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 7:48:00 AM

speaking of reviews you should check out the gametrailers video review... first time Ive ever seen a review where the reviewer mention things that are downright incorrect... the whole time Im watching this review Im thinking "umm did he actually PLAY the game before reviewing it?"

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Highlander
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:08:57 AM

*sigh*

I'll just say that having played through about 90% of the total game so far, I have not yet found as much as a shred of evidence to support the harsh criticism the game has received. White Knight Chronicles has somehow become a chew toy, or whipping boy for the game media in the west to abuse.

Review scores in the 4,5,6 (out of 10) range are a travesty. But it's truly ugly to see how some of the reviews approach the game. I can't honestly blame Level 5 for being hurt or disappointed by the reception in the west. Personally, I would be insulted by t if I were them. It is insulting.

Ben's review here was about the most accurate. I think that if he'd had time to play the majority of the story himself, his review score might have been higher, maybe an 85/100. I know I rate the game highly, but there is simply no way at all that this game rates the low review scores or criticism it's got elsewhere, nor does it deserve the xenophobic ridicule it get's at some sites.

Ben wrote that editorial about reviews killing the JRPG - this game (1 & 2 together) is a microcosm of that very thing. I really would like to know, truthfully, why it is as it is. It's unfair, and just plain wrong. It's also preventing a lot of JRPG fans out there from enjoying one of the generations best PS3 JRPGs.

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Lairfan
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:16:08 PM
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Man, I can't wait for your review of Rage, Ben. And for that matter, I can't wait to get my hands on the game on Tuesday. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it looks like the only other FPS this year that could take away the "Best FPS" award from R3.

Sure, BF3 is fun (and the beta is nowhere near as bad as people are getting at), but I feel a distinct sense of "been there done that" when I play it. Plus, from what I've seen, BF3 does absolutely nothing new at all in terms of gameplay.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:24:19 PM
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Currently playing the Uncharted 3 Subway demo. It's almost the same as the previous beta; updated menu's, control upgrades are the only changes. There's three new maps too - London Underground, which, at the beginning, has the best opening sequence EVAR! It's like the tunnel vision from UC2, but with two trains side by side, villians on one and hero's on the other...it's really fun when your constantly jumping from train to train, chasing after people. The next map is this desert village one, which is ordinary enough, but after awhile theres a sandstorm which is AWESOME! ...in that you can't see a thing. :P Last map is kinda meh, its the Syria map from the coop in the beta, and it feels really un-inspired. The rest of the maps are fantastic though...really can't wait for Uncharted 3 now. Oh and the soundtrack now includes guitars with some high-tempo drum beats, which feels peculiar (for uncharted) but really adds to the adrenaline you feel when its the last 30 seconds.

Thank god they took out that stupid 'transform into a spider' kickback though, that was stupid.

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Danny007
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 5:47:29 PM
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So Ben, which game of October are you most looking forward to?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 7:08:44 PM

I would say Rage, but I already have it so that may not count. ;)

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Danny007
Wednesday, October 05, 2011 @ 9:27:32 AM

It counts, I'll ask that question again in November, but I'm pretty sure I know the answer... :)

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Highlander
Sunday, October 02, 2011 @ 8:24:03 PM
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Ben,

"Oh, and unfortunately, Level-5 didn't have time to answer our WKCII questions...I got the feeling that the team isn't too happy with the game's reception here in the West."

Yeah, well, this to me sums up the situation in general for far too many games. The media reception for a game like WKC2 here has been really poor. Not sure why, and the deeper I play into the game the more I question the validity of the majority of the reviews. Honestly, many of the reviews were not written by people who'd played the game. That much is painfully obvious when you have played the game and look at the content of some reviews. Ben, you are an exception, but I think that even your review would have been higher if you'd had the time to play through the game.

You wrote a piece a while back about whether reviews were killing the JRPG/RPG genre. I think that Level5's disappointment with the critical reception for WKC2 is a perfect example of that. Whether or not there is a WKC3, I have no doubt that if there is, we will never see it here. Thanks biased and superficial gaming media, we love you.

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Underdog15
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:30:32 AM
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Hey Ben, I know it's a little late and you probably aren't checking this thread anymore,

But by any chance, when they didn't have time to field questions, did you make them aware of the review score you gave it?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 5:30:41 PM

I did but I don't think that mattered.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 04, 2011 @ 9:51:22 AM

Ah well... I wrote them a letter to PR apologizing for the western reception from reviewers and letting them know that there are fans who appreciate their work.

Worthless, I know, but I wanted to say something. lol

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