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Are Nintendo's Console Days Over?

Yes, I'm aware that we're a PlayStation-centric site but as we put games above all else - and I remain a Nintendo fan simply due to the impact the company has had on my life - I believe this is a worthy topic.

And I'm also aware the Wii U will soon be here. However, I was one of several journalists to say the Wii was a passing fad, simply because Nintendo wouldn't support it with AAA software. A piece of hardware can only rely on a gimmick for so long and in the bigger scheme of things, despite the millions the Wii raked in, it was a flash in the pan.

Did something besides Xenoblade Chronicles even come out this year for the Wii? I mean, in using Metacritic and GameRankings, I'm seeing about a half-dozen titles that even scored over an 8 for the Wii in all of 2011. I just don't hear anything about the Wii anymore, besides the occasional article about how far sales have fallen and how Nintendo is essentially relying on their handheld business now.

What happened to the Wii U? Typically, you announce a new game system, and it grabs headlines on a routine basis until it arrives. But that thing got announced, a whole lot of people went, "mm-hm, whatever," and that was it. As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo doesn't have much of a reason to try to compete with Sony and Microsoft the next time around. The Wii U doesn't qualify as competition and I seriously question Nintendo's dedication to support it with AAA software.

I admire Nintendo for doing something none of us expected with the Wii: they managed to cater to non-gamers and dominated the industry for a few years. But without software, without continued reasons for consumers to keep picking up the controller, the Wii had a very limited lifespan. I've said that since the beginning. The Wii U doesn't look to be anything all that fantastic; they've obviously given up from a technological standpoint.

Maybe it's time for Nintendo to just focus on the portable market and leave it at that. I honestly can't remember a year where Nintendo has basically ceased to exist in the console headlines, but I just realized: in 2011, do we ever hear anything about the Wii or the Wii U? Really, maybe it's time, Nintendo. If you look at the top 10 biggest games - or maybe even top 20 - this year, I don't think any of them are on the Wii.  ...that says it all, as far as I'm concerned.

10/28/2011 Ben Dutka

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Comments (144 posts)

Stoner420
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:10:33 PM
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@ ben , u should realse more skyrim info please

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Underdog15
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:48:33 AM

OT.

You should just send him an email with your request.

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Deleted User
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:00:05 AM

Stoner420? Seriously? Your post reads like something somebody would type while on the Mary-Jane.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 9:33:40 AM

Mary-Jane? Peter Parkers MJ?

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:30:31 PM
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well said.

no offense, but to me, Wii games and Wii gamers are just a joke to me, if even close to be called GAMERS at all.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:34:00 PM

So someone who plays games isnt a gamer if they dont choose the correct console? So people who racer tuner cars arent "real" racers because F1 cars are better?

Elitism and self-enititlement is the worst thing about this generation

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:24:50 PM

What a foolish comment. I like the games I have on the Wii. Am I a joke to you? Zelda is about to come out and it's bound to be one of the best games of 2011. Is that a joke to you?

What utter nonsense.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:55:37 PM

That's harsh man.

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johnld
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:05:56 AM

i wont agree with bigboss that wii games and gamers are a joke. there are a few wii games out there that can hang with the best this generation, mostly first party games. someone completely ignoring those is THE joke. i will say this though, there are a lot of crap games out there. i blame that on squarely on nintendo, they allowed that to happen. now they're only known for their top franchises (first party) and a lot of shovelware. it was surprising to me that they actually outsourced metroid. you dont let a third party studio handle one of your top franchises, the game loses that nintendo touch that keeps us coming back for it. what do you call a nintendo franchise/game without the nintendo touch? the mediocre metroid other M. granted i havent played it yet, i'm going by what i read around the internet. i completely lost interest in the game. maybe because its not nintendo like anymore (cant explain it) or maybe its just the motion control thing.

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Shams
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:55:51 AM

I think the number of wii owners who opted for big N specifically for Mario, Zelda, and Metroid (as few as they are as compared to the masses who jumped on the bandwagon knowing nothing more than wii fitness) are still more "gamer" than the *vast majority of ps3/360/pc owners who play COD/Battlefield, and nothing else.

*Not a knock on COD or BF. I'm referring to the large demographic who plays COD or BF, who haven't even played or completed the sp campaigns in either game, let alone other games such as Uncharted or Alan Wake, or even knowing about them, yet have sunk 100's of hours in the mp modes (that are great, I'm sure).

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Underdog15
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:51:14 AM

I actually think the more games you want to play, the more hardcore the gamer you are. If you restrict yourself to only one console (exceptions, of course, for people who can only afford one) then you aren't a joke, but you're certainly more of one by pretending you're the "real gamer".

Face it... all consoles have top quality games worth playing exclusive to themselves. You can say which one you think is better, sure... but your comment is a little brazen.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:32:40 PM
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Yeah, Skyward Sword isnt getting any press at all...

The fact is that a nintendo console can live on first party titles alone. LoZ, Metroid, Mario and all the stuff that comes with Mario, Kirby, etc.

Why would nintendo stop making consoles now? The Wii sold more than MS or Sony could ever dream of and they are rolling in the money.

But people are always spelling Nintendo's doom simply because the games arent "mature" enough (ie not enough tits and swearing), or because its not HD or some nonsense. They arent going away any time soon.

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:32:11 PM

Skyward Sword is not getting any press? There has been at least an article a week on IGN promoting the game since this the beginning of the year and they have nothing but good things to say about it.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:43:49 PM

More than sony could ever dream of? I'm pretty sure the ps2 is the best selling system of all time, as well as the ps1 still having sold more than the wii also ;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:40:08 AM

One game? This is the problem with Nintendo, and has been for about a decade. They release ONE game that can be considered AAA a year, and we're expected to all bow down to the aging mascots.

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:24:06 AM

No one said you're expected to bow down. Only that you accept that this is how Nintendo does things. Let those of us who are satisfied with Nintendo enjoy them for what they are. What difference would it make to you if they stop making consoles or kept doing what they are doing? You wouldn't support them either way.

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oldmike
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:36:37 AM

if they made games for other systems i get them
BUT one game every other year dose not make it worth getting the system

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:52:36 AM

Jawk:
I'm terrible at sarcasm. Even when speaking, so you can see how difficult it is for me to be obviously sarcastic when typing. SS is being hyped like crazy, as was Xenoblade and the new Kirby. Nintendo doesnt need to hype up 50 games a month to make a profit.

Ben:
To "core" gamers (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) it may be a problem to get one over-hyped game or so a year, but to investors it doesnt matter. Nintendo is making more money on less games and moving more consoles because of it. To stop making hardware now would be nothing short of moronic. I dont know what is keeping people from understanding basic economics, but if what you are doing is making more money than any of your competitors, you dont stop doing it! Personal bias against nintendo means nothing when they have more money than god.

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oldmike
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:33:49 AM

smokeing you know that there stock has been droping a ton lately

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Norrin Radd
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:36:22 AM

@ oldmike

I think that truly depends on the game. IMO, the Zelda series has generally justified the purchase of a Nintendo system for me. Although, after Twilight Princess, I'll be more hesitant to jump on that bandwagon. Wind Waker is still one of the best games I've played. Ever. Period. End of story. And I'm a shooter/Uncharted fan! I'm looking forward to SS. Hope it's as good an experience as WW was for me.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 3:53:38 PM

oldmike:

20+ years of growth + 1 year of their stock lowering, during a depression, at the end of a generation = death to Nintendo?

Yeah, no.

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Underdog15
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 6:13:14 PM

NoSmoking, I encourage you to look at the bigger picture again.

Sure, Nintendo is doing poorly in a time like you mentioned... however, one thing they don't have that other major consoles do have, is positive anticipation for future release. If it's all because of the recession (not depression), then why is Sony continuing to see a rise on their end?

Both Microsoft and Sony have positive press in regards to the future consoles they may or may not be beginning to bring forward. VITA is getting a ton of positive press, for example. The Wii U is -not- getting a good outlook. And the 3DS is not doing well, either.

No one is spelling out their doom, as you claim they are. But there is definitely more than legitimate information out there to warrant discussion concerning the future of Nintendo's gaming future in household consoles.

And although the 3DS isn't doing well, DS continues to thrive. So, it's unlikely Nintendo will all out fail.

Of course... the article doesn't say it will, either.

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Phoenix
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 6:21:17 PM

While I dont think anyone could agrue that the Wii is a total gimmick system, it does have quite a few great games for it, and to me it's worth owning any Nintendo system just for thier mascot games, Hell I bought a GC for RE4 and LoZ:WW, and I bought a Wii for LoZ:SS lol... heck sometimes I'll plug in the ol NES just for some gold cart zelda action. I think Nintendo will be just fine aslong as they stop with the gimmick stuff, you'd think they would have learned from the whole Virtual Boy thing...

And lets be honest here... it's not like the ps3/xbox put out top end games ever month do they? ofcourse not, hell imo the PS3 has been a flop this gen for games, I know ur all going to be mashin that thumbs down button this beign a ps3 site and all, but this is how I feel about it this gen sadly... prolly cause I LOVE RPGs, and the PS3 really hasnt put out any good ones... not that any1 else has either mind you.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:42:04 PM

Jawk you seem pretty convinced about Skyward. What I am scared of is that... We will be playing U3. Which is also an action, adventure, small puzzles title (granted in a totally different universe but... Still going to outshine it in every *technical* aspect)

So far Skyward does not impress on a technical standpoint being limited by the Wii. The sword attacks are responsive but make Link look like a broom.

The only thing going for it is it's name and the familiar feeling of playing a *Zelda title* I think. I am also not so convinced about the *going to school* and copy paste of the classical japanese anime childhood friend portrait in it.

I will wait and see how it fares before jumping on it.

On the other hand, I would like to know what makes you think it will be so good? Like I know you prolly don't give a crap about me buying it or not, but if you had to sell it to me... Like what would you say?

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:47:37 PM

Zelda is my favorite franchise of all time. So of course part of me is excited for it because it's Zelda. On the other hand I am excited for it not so much from a technical standpoint since it is limited by the Wii hardware but I absolutely love the orchestrated music that is always present in Zelda titles and even though it's not an HD game with graphics on par with the PS3 or 360, Nintendo has done a fine job in my opinion taking my attention away from that with their artistic vision and presentation. I love the art direction. 

For me Zelda has always been an instant winner. I have never been disappointed with a Zelda game. I'm also looking forward to using Wii motion plus. I have yet to try it out with any game and from what I hear it works great with Skyward Sword. Other than that I can't say much more since I haven't played it yet. I'm sure the reviews will be dropping soon. From what I read so far from people who have played it, it's going to be a gem. 

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Neo_Aeon666
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 11:25:13 AM

Thanks for the reply!

I'll be looking foward to early reviews too. I really hope it will be something special.

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Underdog15
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:12:12 PM

Phoenix... I agree there hasn't been many great jRPG's. But to say this gen has poor games for PS3 is downright brazen.

Perhaps not many games within a genre you like (I also prefer jRPG's), but it's really shortsighted to say the PS3 has few good games this gen... then to follow it up saying, oh... yeah, the others don't either.

That's a reflection on the industry. Not the PS3. And regardless of your preference, your point is flat out wrong. PS3, in my opinion, has the largest variety of AAA titles of any platform.

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Riku994
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:34:28 PM
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Skyward Sword is coming out in a month or so, that'll be rated fairly highly.

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:27:04 PM

Edge has already given it a 10/10.

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oldmike
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:37:32 AM

Edge is one of the worst game raters
talk about fanboys

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:52:06 AM

That's funny, Jawknee. Not long ago, you were one of many to rail against Edge for having a bias against PS3 games.

And now...gee, what's this called again?

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:56:06 AM

I know they're biased. They also rarely give out perfect score. To me that says something.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:47:34 PM

Well it does say alot if they are favoring the Wii first parties over the other systems. XD

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GuyverLT
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:39:55 PM
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We won't really know until the Wii-U comes out and has been out for a couple of years, I don't know what to make of Nintendo ideas of late I mean I REALLY did think the WII would fail and it didn't but who knows we just to wait it out a little longer and see how well the Wii-U does b4 having this convo

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Highlander
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:51:26 PM

Perhaps it's time For Nintendo to go into the software business and write games for other platforms, and a Wii/Gamecube emulator for PS3?

Here is what I consider to be Nintendo's biggest problem. Sony and MS will probably show their new hardware at E3 2012, even if it's not due to launch until 2013. WiiU essentially plays catchup to PS3 and 360. So, when Nintendo is making lots of Noise at E3 2012 about the WiiU, Sony will have Vita and the new PS4 to shout about, and MS will (presuming they still want to be in the game) have the 360's successor to talk up. WiiU will be seen as yesterday's technology compared to the new systems from Sony and PS3. Nintendo painted themselves into a corner, and now they will pay the price.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:45:03 PM

I wish they would go software only, though president said they're rather close business than do that.

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:11:41 PM

Why? They have no good reason to do software only.

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johnld
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:09:25 AM

if nintendo goes software only, you can guarantee that microsoft would throw a hell of a lot of money towards nintendo for some type of exclusivity. they're really running dry now. i mean their next big release is a halo remake/update.

either way, nintendo's first party franchises will be enough to keep them going for now.

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Temjin001
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:21:07 AM

I think read a statement just recently where Nintendo stated they will always provide their own hardware for their games. This was in response to the ongoing speculation that Nintendo will move over to Apple based hardware. Who would be an exclusive provider of Nintendo's licensed games.



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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:05:59 AM

@highlander

a wii/gamecube emulator on the ps3? the ps3 is not even powerful enough to handle ps2 game emulation let alone the more powerful wii or gamecube games. the only way the ps3 could do proper emulation of the ps2 was with help from the hardware(ps2 chips built into the ps3). those chips have been removed from the ps3 becuase of costs thus no bw compatability. i seriously doubt a wii/gamecube emulator could run on the ps3. the games would have to be ported over.

i think this is just crazy talk. the last time i checked the console sitting in last place is not made by nintendo. people have written them off for dead before....then nintendo storms out nowhere and GAINS a ton of marketshare while another console maker has LOST about 40-50% of its marketshare. nintendo will be just fine. they have a dedicated fan base that are happy with what nintendo offers. all nintendo needs to do is to transistion current wii owners over to the wii u. ofcourse they could manage to screw that up much in the same way that sony failed in bringing ps2 owners over to the ps3, but until i see evidence of that i'm not going to dismiss them yet.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:52:52 AM

Excuse me, but did Excelsior just say the PS3 "isn't powerful enough" to play PS2 games? Did I read that right?

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:52:11 AM

i said ps2 game emulation. yes, the ps3 is not powerful enough to do ps2 emulation on its own through software only. it had to have the rsx chip built into the ps3. that chip is history now thus no more bw compatabilty.

the first ps3's which were fully bw compable had both the ps2's emotion engine and rsx chip built into the system to offer full bw compatability.

then sony removed the ee and had only the rsx to help with partial bw comaptabilty. that chip was removed and now we have no bw compatability. i've read it's not even possible for the ps3 to handle ps2 emulation through software only, and bw compatability will never return. apparently the ps2 had some kind of monster rsx and the ps3 can't emulate it through software alone. sony has researched this a great deal.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:22:52 AM

You're not making any sense. So what if it needed the RSX chip? That doesn't mean the PS3 is incapable...it's obviously capable, it already did it.

It would take some maneuvering, but of course the PS3 could do GameCube games if it wanted. It just wouldn't make much sense as it would require too much on Sony's side, and it wouldn't be worth it. The RSX chip wasn't worth it financially, either.

To say the system itself isn't capable is not the issue.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:57:53 AM

yes, i'm probably not making sense. i'm caught up in highlander's word of emulation. i asked myself could the ps3 handle full gamecube and wii "emulation". probably not through software alone. you are correct they would have to do some manuevering and make the games specificly for the ps3. as for full gamecube and wii emulation on the ps3 i just don't see how that's possible. they have to be made from the ground up for the ps3.

it would be great if the ps3 could handle ps2 emulation through software alone. they could restore bw compatability through a a firmware patch. hell they could put up all the great ps2 games on psn.

i am a proud owner of a fully bw compatable ps3. best freaking console ever made. it's like 3 consoles in 1. the extra ports are great becuase i use a headset and keyboard. in fact i am using my ps3 right now to post on this site. plus it's great to go to gamestop and pick up all the great ps2 games i missed and be able to play them for cheap.

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Underdog15
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 6:02:32 PM

What's funnier about Excelsior's comment, is that this past week, PSN debuted the first batch of PS2 classics.

Big ol' "lol" on that one.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:04:41 PM

underdog

those ps2 classics were worked on so they can run on the ps3. ported over if you want use a technical term. they are not the same code as the original ps2 games...they have been worked on to some extent. funny how a ps3 can't run a ps2 game now without being ported over. lol. ps3 can not run ps2 games without that rsx chip. if it could then we would still have a bw compatable ps3...duh.

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Highlander
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:41:32 PM

Excelsior,

1) PS2 emulation req

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Highlander
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:56:59 PM

Excelsior,

1) PS2 Emulation requires Graphics Synthesizer (GS) emulation. The GS has specific hardware capabilities that are extremely difficult to emulate simply because of the *huge* data bandwidth required. The only thing inside any current console that has a hope of emulating the GS is a CellBE, and if it were doing that, the bandwidth requirements would essentially max out the processor. The Gamecube and Wii contain some nice hardware, but nothing like the PS2's GS in terms of the difficulty of emulation in software. That doesn't mean that the PS2 was somehow better than Wii or GC, just that it's hardware is more difficult to emulate.

2) The PS2 games that are being released on PSN are a very select group of games for which an emulation can be tailored. The games are not altered in any way. However they use the PS2 SDK in such a way that all the functions of the hardware used by the game are available in emulation. There are PS2 games that have veru low level hardware level drivers optimized to take specific advantage of the physical hardware in the system. These are less likely to work than other games because they use hardware specific function or performance that cannot easily be emulated. Let's say that 90% of the GS functionality can easily be emulated, and half of the more difficult functions can be emulated, but only by configuring one or more SPUs in a particular manner to function as the GS did in support of that specific game. Lets say that the remaining 5% of functionality is not available in emulation. Of all the PS2 games some will only use the 90% of GS functions that can be emulated, some will also use the functions that are more difficult and require specific emulation, the remaining group of games use functions that cannot be emulated.

What you will see is that some PS2 games are more easily brought to PS3, and some will require game specific emulation. But they are all the original games running under emulation.

There will though be a large group of high profile titles that cannot be run under emulation. Those are the games you might see in HD collections, but won't see via emulation.

You can say what you want Excelsior, but you're showing a total lack of understanding of the problems inherent in emulating the PS2 in software. Emulating the GameCube would be easier than emulating the PS2, simply because the GS is a completely bespoke GPU with unique capabilities that allow it to match the performance of hardware that on paper should be more powerful. The GS has a far more conventional GPU design and uses a PowerPC core. You may remember that the PS3 uses a PowerPC based CPU design and modern, conventional GPU. Emulating the GC on the PS3 would present far, far fewer problems than emulating the PS2 - no hardware required. The Wii is in hardware far closer to the accusation of being two gamecubes surgically joined. Emulating it on the PS3 would not present much issue, so long as the GPU could be emulated. Emulating the CPU would not present a problem at all.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:14:38 AM

thank you for the in depth reply. if those ps2 classics wern't altered in anyway then how come my sister's boyfriends copy of godhand won't run on his ps3? is it just becuase his ps3 won't recognize ps2 games? are you saying we could have some bw compatability on the ps3 without the rsx? there was somebody over at sony's european division who was questioned about ps2 game emulation and he flat out said it was not possible through software only, and sony had researched the matter extensively. it sure looks that way from a distance considering we went from full to partial then no bw compatability.

you could be right. maybe the gc and wii are easier to emulate. i just assumed since the ps3 could not emulate the ps2's games properly without the ps2's chips built into it that it would run into the same problems with gc/wii games. that sounds logical to me but i defer to your expertise on the matter.

when you really think about it's a pretty moot point since we are going to start a new cycle of hardware soon anyways. even if nintendo flamed out with wii u by time they did we'd likely already be moving onto the ps4. what do think the chances are the ps4 will be bw compatable by the way? will it be as hard as it was on the ps3?

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Highlander
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 3:47:28 AM

ps2 backwards compatibility is a hardware feature on older ps3s. New ones don't have it, so new ones will not recognize PS2 games. The PS2 games being sold on PSN are like the PS1 games, they are packaged for download. ONly the games ship with a bespoke emulator. Basically a PS2 emulator that is tailored to exactly the functionality needed for the game.

The emulator will include an EE emulation that runs on the cellBE, and a GS emulator that runs partially on the CellBE and partially on RSX. The GS has an internal databus that is capable of moving data at - and this is phenomenally fast - 48Gbyte/second. Remember, GS runs at only 147Mhz, so to move that amount of data per second is amazing. It has a 2560bit wide databus split into three channels, 1024bit read, 1024 write and 512 read/write. When you consider the overhead of implementng this in software, and the fact that the CEllBE can't read/write to system memory that fast you get am idea of the problem. The thing is, most of the operations the GS handles use a fraction of that capability, and so they can be emulated. So the PS2 emulation will contain a partial GS emulator. Normally in this kind of situation the emulation will be dynamically configurable to only support the required functionality to enhance emulation performance. So it can be configured specifically to each game.

The games on PSN are the original games packaged with a game specific version of the emulator.

So these downloadable titles will work, but the newer PS3s still won't recognize the discs.

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Underdog15
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:15:45 PM

I have a PS3 that plays PS2 discs... And none of your points, excelsior, changes the fact that saying the PS3 isn't powerful enough to play PS2 games is downright WRONG.

There's a very big difference between being powerful enough to do something, and having the right tools.

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bebestorm
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 9:51:06 PM
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Nintendo days are no more over than anyone else's though many would like see them gone all together.

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BikerSaint
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:06:23 PM
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I'm not sure what to think about Nintendo anymore.

IDK, it seems like they're all about this new Wii-U that I see more as a controller than an actual console(at least, that's how I've seen Ninty portraying it)

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johnld
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:11:37 AM

i see the wiiU as nintendo trying to apologize to the core gamers they practically ignore saying "look, now you can play those games on our system too". but it still seems to me that their keeping their focus on the casual market.

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Karosso
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:13:25 PM
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I hope they stick around as a console manufacturer. I think that if they go away, the industry would be the poorer for it. Also I don't mind their games being tailored to the younger generation, somebody is got to do it, and Nintendo does it with class, like very few devs can. I have a bad feeling about the WiiU, I think its going to flop eve harder than the 3DS but, I've been wrong before with the Wii so... The WiiU feels like a little too little a little too late...

"Valar Morghulis"

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Geobaldi
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:14:12 PM
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I don't see Nintendo getting out of the console wars anytime soon. Even with an inferior console, compared to the technology of the competition, it still basically won this generation by sales alone. The Wii U will probably be a big seller as well so there's no reason for Nintendo to give up on consoles just yet. Though I don't think it'll sell as well especially since Yen values keep going up.

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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:23:22 PM
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The Wii may have printed money for Nintendo, but it really lacked support for games for the hardcore gamer. You know, the ones who made Nintendo who they are now?

I'm not a fan of Nintendo, but I know how much they have contributed to the gaming industry and respect them fully for that. I also don't want them to close shop just because of that. But when the gaming press talk about hardcore games, it's mostly the PS3 or the 360 they're talking about. The Wii comes up when Ninty releases new info on their stalwart franchises.

I am really not sure why Ninty relies too much on their established franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, and few others) even after several console generations. I mean, there's nothing wrong with making a game from those franchises, but why do they seem so reluctant in introducing a new IP? Heck, even third-party publishers probably introduced more new IPs this generation than Nintendo did.

It's exactly for that reason that Sony is doing so well right now. They might not be the clear market leader like in the PS2 era, but if not for them, we won't have amazing new franchises to get excited over. It's sometimes unbelievable that Uncharted, Infamous, and Resistance only came out this console generation. Uncharted, obviously, has cemented itself in gaming history in such a short span of time.

It's ironic that a company who prides itself in being innovators struggle so much in the new IP front.

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johnld
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:18:36 AM

nintendo relies on their first party franchises because them alone can keep them relevant to core gamers/long time fans. besides, when they release those franchises, its always something big. it may not be that much different from previous iterations but they work, thats what we want. i can say right now that the legend of zelda franchise has never let me down so far.

on a side note, i usually buy a strategy guide for all zelda games i buy because that how i collect them, i have to have the game and guide together. apparently i bought the wii version of the twilight princess guide and the gamecube version of the game(standard controls ftw!). turns out that the maps in the gamecube version is a mirror image of the wii version.

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ima420r
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:24:06 PM
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Nintendo does need some software. The WiiU has already gotten some big names behind it and it will be worth buying if the games are there. I haven't bought anything for my Wii in 2 years except a few AAA Nintendo made games. I have had my 360 for the last 2 years and have maybe 150 games for it.

I should add I bought a ps3 maybe a year ago and only have 20 games for it, all ps3 only titles. While the Wii may be somewhat inferior to the others, the ps3 is just not as fun to play as the 360. I think it's the controller and lack of friends who own a ps3.

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SirLoin of Beef
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:46:57 PM

You aren't playing the right games then. Games like Uncharted and the inFamous series are a hoot to play on the PS3, even though I have (maybe) 3 friends with a PS3 compared to about 30 with a 360.

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:26:14 PM
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No, but it is getting a little tiresome that some seem to wish they would stop making consoles. If you don't like what Nintendo has to offer then don't buy their consoles or their games. Simple as that.

I for one will have fun playing their games. Because they are fun...

Why would they stop making consoles when their first party titles routinely outsell some of the biggest games on the 360 and PS3? New Super Mario Bros. Wii outsold MW2 on both the 360 and PS3 combined. That doesn't indicate to me that Nintendo would chose to or would have to stop making consoles.

Seriously, what is this obsession with some gamers wanting Nintendo to bow out? They target a different consumer base than those who enjoy their 360 and PS3. Why not just let them do that and be happy with what you have?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:44:01 AM

Has anyone ever told you that you get crazy defensive when you think someone is attacking someone you like?

Calm the hell down and think reasonably for a second. Of course a new Mario and Zelda is going to sell more; there are a gazillion Wiis in the world and oh yes, there are NO other options. It's not like a Wii owner is going, "gee, I have to choose between Uncharted 3, Battlefield 3, Dark Souls, RAGE, Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Skyrim, Modern Warfare 3 etc, etc, etc. all in the span of a few weeks." Wii owners are flat-out starved for ANYTHING that can be considered an elite title, so yeah, I'd rush to buy the one AAA game per year, too.

You can't impress me with one great must-play game a year. I'm sorry, you can't. The Wii is sadly the king of shovelware and you KNOW that. Everyone does. Lastly, nobody is attacking your precious Nintendo, and nobody is saying they should disappear. I'm saying that with the almost complete lack of software support for the Wii, and the TERRIBLE reception the Wii U has been getting, it just might be conceivable that Nintendo should stick to portables.

Really. It's just a thought, from someone who loved Nintendo since the beginning. Stop freaking out and instead of turning this into a hate/fanboy thing, try approaching this from a logical - and VERY - obvious perspective.

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:30:41 AM

I'm not freaking out. I'm just a little burnt out from reading this stuff. I think this is the 3rd editorial I have read by you wishing Nintendo would stop making consoles. As I said before, what difference would it make to people like you? If they keep doing what they are doing you won't support them, if they stop making consoles there wouldn't be one to support or refuse to support. I don't get the logic is wishing they stop making consoles for those of US who actually enjoy them for what they are.

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Shams
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:44:10 AM

Come on, Ben. Don't tell me you don't choose your wording to occasionally incite "discussion" ;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:44:26 AM

Jawknee, there have been ZERO editorials by me saying Nintendo should stop making consoles. Zero. There was one where I said I wouldn't be buying current Nintendo products, and there was one where I said Nintendo could go third-party like Sega did, both of which had entirely different main points.

But because you're so blind and you're obviously not capable of having a mature argument, you just keep whining for no reason at all. Don't insult me with the "people like you" comment. Don't hide behind the sh**-ass, "oh, we like them for what they are" comment. What they ARE is a company that has STOPPED supporting the Wii. They've even admitted it and yet, you can't.

Even when you DO admit it - like below - you still find a way to make it sound like everyone else are idiots because they don't think like you do.

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:57:57 AM

You're the one getting angry an I'm the one who is in capable of having a mature conversation?

Wow... Not saying you're immature, I'm just astonished you would level that kind of accusation.

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:18:12 AM

And I didn't say or mean to imply that you're an idiot. I wouldn't visist this site daily if I thought you were an idiot.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:24:52 AM

You do it unconsciously. Saying "people like you" can't appreciate what Nintendo is doing is insulting.

Blatantly over-exaggerating and saying you're sick of seeing all these editorials about how Nintendo should leave the console business - when in fact, there are none - is inflammatory for the sake of protecting your opinion.

Maybe you should re-read your posts.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 3:57:48 PM

looooooool at both of you.

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Fox hounder
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 10:59:10 PM
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Well said Jawknee.

I personally think the hate boils down to fanboyism. Everybody counted Nintendo out at the start of this generation, and now Wii holds a lead over both the PS3 & 360. I guess the fanboy's want Nintendo out of the console market so that doesn't happen again. Folks shouldn't put so much stake in the sales numbers.

I want to note that what i just wrote isn't directed at ben, he asked a journalistic question, and that i respect.

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Jawknee
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:09:08 PM

I don't understand it. I like having choices and variety. Nintendo offers first party games that Sony and MS do not. There are obviously millions like me who enjoy their games. Why can't people just leave it at that and be thankful they have a PS3 or a 360 without wishing another Nintendo consoles demise. A console they don't even play mind you.

It's pretty annoying.

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Fox hounder
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:44:16 PM

I don't understand it either.

Its hard to believe, but there are some people who prefer a one size fits all for things like this, folks who would rather everybody conform to their tastes instead of everyone having their own.

Not to bring MGS into this, but there are some who hate MGS4 because it allows folks to play it as an action game, these people would rather it play like MGS2 and limit the players to strict stealth.

Some people are strange.

Side note: i ment to hit the reply button for my first response to your comment, but i got hasty and forgot.

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johnld
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:21:26 AM

frankly, i dont see nintendo a rival in this generation's console war. they're practically in their own world doing their own thing. sony and microsoft is trying to break into that world but nintendo is well established there. aside from their amazing first party games that dont come often (to me thats a good thing), they dont seem to have much presence outside the casual market.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:48:05 AM

Jawknee, the only thing more annoying than ignorant gamers are those who embrace something blindly and then defend it to the death without conceding a single solitary point.

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Jawknee
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:45:08 AM

It doesn't bother me that they only release one AAA game a year. They are worth the wait. I'm not blind as to what Nintendo has become. And I do know the Wii is the king of shovel ware, I'm not denying anything you have said. I just don't care about all the negitives because I still find their first party games enjoyable. You know Zelda is my all time favorite franchise. I'm getting the Wii-U and if they only release two Zelda games its entire life span, it will still be worth it to me. You want me to look at this from a logical perspective but I just don't follow the logic that says they should quit making consoles because they don't release as many core games as Sony or MS.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:47:59 AM

Of course you follow the logic. You just don't WANT to.

Logically - if you look up the definition - no human on earth is going to say a video game console has any right existing if ONE game per year is worth buying. YOU can say it's worth the wait. Whatever. Fine. It's hardly "logical."

It isn't difficult to understand. Zero software support for the Wii. The horrid Wii U reception thus far. That just might - just might, mind you - translate to a very obvious, LOGICAL question, like the one asked in this article.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:42:09 PM

I still retain that the only reason the wii sold as much is because it was way cheaper then the other 2 consoles I mean comon you got the 360 which was $400-$500 the PS3 $500-$600 and then the Wii $250, with the economy the way it was (and still is) I think it was pretty obvious choice what system parents were gonna buy there kids.

I really doubt the Wii would be in the lead in sales if it had been priced in between the 360 and PS3.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:38:25 PM

Guyver: Well, of course. That, and they quite clearly marketed to the non-gaming crowd. It's why all TV commercials for the Wii had either senior citizens or women in their 30s playing.

It wasn't in competition with the PS3 or 360; that's why it succeeded so beautifully.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:29:13 PM

At Jawk ( First post ) On why people hate on Ninty

I don't think anyone really hates Ninty... but on the Nintendo fanboys (the hardcore ones)

I work at a big game selling store so trust me.

Most of the people are normal. They like games and are mostly unbiased.

Some people like to confirm with me that their choice of system is the correct one. And you can see they have a crush for their one system. I am a neutral entity as I have to sell them all. So I confirm all the good points about his system ( let it be Wii, PS3, 360, DS or 3DS)

Sometimes I meet Sony fanboys. They go like yeah I'll take that game on PS3 cuz PS3 always gotz the best picture yaknow... They are pretty ignorant BUT they still listen to reason if I tell them they are wrong for that particular game they better buy it on 360... Blah port on PS3 is ok but not as good (exemple). Most Sony fanboys listen to reason. (I don't do that if they only own 1 system lol way to crush their hopes and lose a sale XD)

Now advanced Xbots are a bit of a dumber breed. It takes much more effort for me to make them understand their beloved 360 isn't the answer to everything and they tend to resist to reason.

BUT DOOD the Nintendogs are BY FAR the worst. They have no consideration whatsoever towards other systems. They want Sony and MS to burn LITTERALLY. Their logic is twisted and the Wii produces the best graphics. The first party games are flawless and shovelware is like Uncharted 3 in their mind. Completely closed and they look at me like I should die if I mention an upcoming Sony or MS game to one of their PS3 owning buddy lol... They are like religious freaks. Completely no common sense in regards to other systems.

Now I won't say there is no utterly dumb ps3 or xbox fanboy out there. But I never saw a PS3 or 360 fanboy that I couldn't put back to reality or impress with other games on another system. Or make them acknowledge that X game is pretty nice on the Wii. Nintendo is not really an arrogant compagny. They do great games on OK systems. But the problem lies with the core Nintendo crowd. These guys are rotten and they are great in number. They also make nintendo look bad.

Thus my theory that people are not really trying to bash on Ninty but on the Ninty fanboys themselves.

(Just want to make it clear that I am not saying this because of the article but to answer Jawks question as to why Ninty seems to be getting hate)

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Dancemachine55
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:08:30 PM
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I love Nintendo's first party franchises, and I thought the Wii was a pretty cool idea of how to play games differently from your average 2 analog stick controller.

But while the Wii had a great start, it didn't have the power to support the biggest franchises of today. Good luck running Assassin's Creed, Dead Space, Uncharted, Gears of War, Killzone or HD CoD on a Wii system. Yes, I know CoD was on Wii as well, but sales were terrible compared to 360 and PS3.

I think Nintendo have created something really cool with this touch screen controller. If the Wii U is built to support 2 at once, along with full backwards compatibility with Wii software, I think I might just be tempted to pick one up.

All I know is this. I will fully support Nintendo if they keep making quality hardware and fun first party games to go with them. They are a close second to Sony for me and far more worthy of my money than Microsoft.

If it weren't for Gears of War, Fable 2, Halo Reach / Anniversary and my friends all owning 360's, I would never have even bothered with that hunk of junk. In fact, I have Gears of War 1 and Halo 2 on PC, and Fable 3 is on PC too!! (even if Fable 2 was better IMO), so really the only reason I have a 360 at all is because all my friends have one and I want to play online with them.

At least Nintendo have great exclusives.

Anyone in the same boat as me about the reason you own a 360?

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Highlander
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 4:05:41 AM

"I think Nintendo have created something really cool with this touch screen controller. If the Wii U is built to support 2 at once, along with full backwards compatibility with Wii software, I think I might just be tempted to pick one up."

Um, Nintendo flat out stated that it would only be engineered to support one of the new controllers.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:07:16 PM

Nintendo did mention they were exploring 2 screen controllers running on a single system, but to produce 2 video images wirelessly sounds complex and requires a lot of power on the Wii U's behalf.

I don't think it'll happen.

I might get a Wii U if I find it for under $300 in Australia, long after many first party games have come out for me to play. I still think Mario is the most fun I've had on a console by myself, and next to Rock Band on PS3 and Just Dance 3 on Kinect, the best mutliplayer party games I've played with friends are Mario Kart Wii and Wii Sports Resort.

Wii is all about fun, and I like that about Nintendo. You don't have to lead with gun-toting, head blasting, blood spattering franchises. Sure, Gears 3, Uncharted 3, Halo Reach and Killzone 3 were excellent games, but Mario and Donkey Kong and Kirby are a nice reminder of why I played games as a kid in the first place!! To have fun!!

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johnld
Friday, October 28, 2011 @ 11:55:18 PM
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all i can say about nintendo is that they're starting to slip up. why? because they kinda lost focus on whats important, their core audience. it seems like they ditched the loyal gamers in order for casual gamers. sure theres the occasional first party games and established franchise for core gamers but those dont come too often. i like that their top franchise arent yearly releases but they cant just count on those when new and successful games are popping up everyday(not really everyday but something to that point).

They seem to be making ammends by the wiiU specs though. theyre finally going to get completely multiplatform releases but i see a couple problem. they dont have a capable online network to work with yet. i tried smash bros online and i hated the experience, not the game. lets hope they put some of that money to create a great online network.

another problem i see is that the system still seems to be geared more towards the casual crowd. It still seems gimmicky to me. right now i'm apprehensive to play skyward sword because the motion control might just ruin the franchise for me. i just want to sit down, with a controller and play/get lost in the game. i'd be real pissed if skyward sword doesnt have the option of standard controls.

one thing that really bugs me about the wiiU is that they said you cant buy additional controllers separately. so if its a multiplayer game, you share that tablet type controller? i'm guessing they'll allow multiple tablets to sync with a system but i dont really know what nintendo is thinking right now. the dumbing down gaming has got to stop.

final problem i see is that they need better quality control. just because the game is geared for younger audiences doesnt mean that they should let developers half @$$ their way to releasing a game. enforce that nintendo seal of quality ive seen in older games. hell, make it mandatory. Their tried and true franchises maybe all they need to stay afloat but they cant afford to be only known for their main first party lineup. right now when i think of nintendo, only first party games come into mind. thats not a good thing when games like uncharted, gears, killzone, halo, heavy rain, etc are popping out everywhere.

for the record, like that wii, i'm not completely sold on the wiiU. motion control is fine and all but always allow standard control for the big/established franchises. the ONLY reason why i am looking at the wiiU is because of an uncharted quality or close to it zelda game. that is if skyward sword doesnt turn me off the zelda franchise. i just hate mandatory motion control.

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tes37
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:23:42 AM
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Who is Nintendo? .......Oh yeah, aren't they professional thumb twiddlers? I hear they make videogames sometimes.

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Temjin001
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:27:37 AM
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I'd be willing to do more things Nintendo, like Zelda, Wave Race, Pilot Wings, Mario and Metroid if they'd just get something HD where it's not looking like crappiness on my LCD TV.

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DVE2k
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:18:20 AM
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Nintendo can never end up like Sega because it has a strong first party support end of discussion. Nintendo struggles at 3rd party support, and They had these aging mascots foreva lol. A Zelda and Mario game is always gonna score and sell like crack. People are doing it again underestimating WiiU. It is not even out yet. I wonder if dejavu is gonna happen again. Lets say Wiiu is gonna be the weakest console, history says that the so called weakest system outsells the others. But Nintendo is going back the hardcore route bringing in the Wiiu for HD purposes in gaming. I dont want no PS4 just yet so just let Nintendo start of the next gen consoles and enjoy our PS3's before PS4 comes around the corner O_o

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SnipeySnake
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 1:45:27 AM
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I was extremely disappointed when they showed off the Wii U controller. It just ruined everything there, again.

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Oxvial
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:04:33 AM
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No thanks, it would make me sick watching Mario on the new XBOX.

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:42:29 PM

New xbox release!!!

Mario OF DUTY.

Amazing new online multiplayer. 2 Hours SP campaing! Crazy arsenal including SPIKY extrem Mushroom Stomping hammer and The AKarnivor Plant launching riffle!!!

NOW WITH BLOOD AND MINISKIRT PRINCESS!!! loll XD

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Vivi_Gamer
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:12:15 AM
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I don't think Nintendo have anything to worry about, sure they're not appealing to hardcore gamers like ourselves much, but the reception the Wii got from casual/fmaily gamers was through the roof. It got more sales than the 360 and PS3, so Nintendo has nothing to worry about, It wont be a repeat of sony's PS2 utterly anihilating the Dreamcast + There is a new Zelda this fall which I know the 'Hardcore gamer' audience within the Wii is looking forward too.

I despised the Wii, I think their version of motion controls are just silly (Same with PS3 move.) waddling around the living room with a stick is not my idea of fun. I actually liked the idea of the WiiU tablet until I heard that you can only use one per-console (Is this still true?), If that is the case it is a disaster. Especially for a console which target audience is for a family, why create such an isolated device. I know you can use the Wii-motes, but like I said I just dislike them entirely.

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Pandacastro
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:55:49 AM
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I really want that new Zelda game since it used to be my favorite franchise but I don't have a wii and will probably watch a playthrough. Good luck to nintendo.

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___________
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 4:25:31 AM
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yes, the publisher who has sold by far more units then any other this gen is finished!
........ seriously, is that even a question?
the world would drown in tears if ninty stopped making consoles and games!
we need more zelda, mario and diddy kong god dam it!

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 4:50:50 AM
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nintendo has said over and over they will continue to make their own hardware. they were wriiten off for dead this gen and yet they have survived. might as well ask are sony's console days over. they managed to squander around 40% of their marketshare this gen, and lose billions. only 1 division in sony shows a profit. billions is net worth just gone. they can't keep that up forever.

we know nintendo has the wii u planned. they have the 3ds. i don't think their console days are over by any means. i also think it is foolish to underestimate them after what they managed to do this gen.

i want nintendo in the console war. they are another competitor against ms. ms is a company that has a scary net worth and the ability to out spend sony and nintendo combined. if nintendo is out of the console war then ms only has sony to worry about.

are nintendo's console days finished? no, and frankly i think it is a stupid question to ask.



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tes37
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:46:07 AM

Where did you get these fairy tales about Sony, from Microsoft? They have never been that bad off. All divisions except one were profitable just over a year ago. There's no way in hell they'd be around with losses that severe. Don't tell me your challenging ________ for his jester crown.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:30:30 AM

fairy tale numbers? just type in sony has lost billions in net worth on google. the first article that comes up is the ps division in sony alone lost 4.7 billion dollars. ironically that is 1 division in sony now that is profitable. i would point out that it's estimated that ms lost around 4 billion getting the 360 out the door, but the have other profitable divisions unlike sony right now.

sony had a net worth of around 56 billion dollars in oct of 2004. as of oct 2010 it was 47.5 billion. wikipedia as my source. a lot of companies have lost billions in this economy though, and it's important to note how weak the yen is now against euro and dollar. they are getting hammered in exchange rates.

another thing i noticed is how tiny a company nintendo is compared to sony and ms. 18.8 billion in net worth. no wonder they did not want to face ms and sony directly in the console war.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:50:18 AM

Excelsior has been saying this forever.

He fails to see the billions Nintendo JUST lost in the last report. He doesn't bother with the fact that the Wii has no software support, sales have bottomed out, and everyone appears to dislike the Wii U.

He uses old numbers, inflates them, and makes it sound like Sony is going bankrupt tomorrow and Nintendo will buy Disney. 'rolling eyes' Just ignore it.

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tes37
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:02:24 AM

Yeah, fairy tales. Look up their net profit and then subtract 4.7 billion and see what you get. They made around 32 billion in 2010. Sony is very profitable.

Great advice Ben, will do. :)


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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:37:29 AM

hey,
i never said sony is going bankrupt. sony has not posted a net profit for 2 years in a row tes. i do not see why you have to be so damn condescending in your replies ben. it's just not cool. if i'm wrong say it without being so damn snide about it. maybe i just messed up...i'm only human. if my numbers are old and messed up please tell me where i can get the correct numbers so i don't screw up again. i promise i didn't do it on purpose. i believed what i was saying.

i'm not even trying to defend nintendo. they have lost millions themselves recently do to the 3ds. they have made mistakes just the same as sony and ms have. big deal. the console is still selling. they have the number 1 selling console of this gen so why are asking this question? becuase nintendo gave a bad press conference? until we actaully see how the wii u does we just don't know. might as well ask the question about any other console maker.

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tes37
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:14:01 PM

I pulled that number from your suggested Wiki site that also stated Sony's gross profit was close to 77 billion. That of course isn't net profit, but what I stated when saying Sony is profitable is a fact.

When losses are posted, that doesn't mean they didn't make a profit. You seem to be overlooking something. Here's an example for you. If I make fifty billion and lose ten billion, I still made a profit but suffered a ten billion dollar loss. That's what you seem to be misunderstanding.

Sorry for my obvious hypocrisy by replying again after I said I wouldn't.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:56:58 PM

tes

it's cool you replied...if i messed up i want to know. i don't want to replace blank line as psxe's jester. in fact there are so many numbers floating around it's pretty hard to sort it out. there are lots of headlines about sony losing billions, but that's true of many companies in the electronics sector. there lots of old articles up there as well...i'll try to be more precise in the future.

for the record i don't think sony is going bankrupt. i'm only unhappy with their overall position in the console war. that's it. sony has done a great job of turning the ps3 around but it was a tough uphill fight. the ps3 enjoys great software support. things are looking good for sony as far as the ps3 is concerned. na is a concern but i think overall sony is pretty well positioned for next gen.

oh and to be fair. nintendo has lost millions lately themselves. they screwed up the 3ds's luanch with and over priced system and no games. sound familar? i don't know... it seems nintendo is off doing there own thing. they really aren't a direct competitior so i don't think we can hold them to the same standards. maybe 1 triple a game yr is enough for n fans. where nintendo is the weakest is third party support and no real online gaming service. they have neglected the hardcore gamers for so long. the real question is does nintendo really even need those gamers. they have done fine without them up until now.

finally i said this below but the talking heads have been horrible at predicting the outcome of the console wars. in fact they are never right. last gen was supposed to be a tight 3 way race remember? this gen nintendo was supposed to bomb...nope.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:20:53 PM

Look up the definition of "condescending," Excelsior. I'm being ironic.

You always post about how bad Sony's sales numbers are. We all know you do. I was merely pointing that out.

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Highlander
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:04:54 PM

Perhaps Excelsior should remember that last reporting year Sony made a very healthy gross profit. However due to the way that tax laws work in Japan, Sony was able to take a monstrous extraordinary accounting loss on their books which nudged their net results down. The underlying profitability of the business remains healthy. Gaming is actually profitable for Sony, and the PS3 has returned it's investment - especially when you factor in the contribution that PS3 has made to BluRay, HD and 3D adoption in general. Yes the PS3 was very expensive to develop, but a lot of that investment has also paid off with other product lines.

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aaronisbla
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 6:05:17 AM
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id get a nintendo console system if they dropped the gimmicky ass controls and had more third party support. and not the 'well ps3 and 360 will get the definitive versions, while nintendo gets the half baked version' third party support either.

All of the main systems have must have titles that are exclusive. But in between those titles, you need some damn good third party games and/or new ips to keep the fun times rolling. ps3 excels at this with 3rd party support and a slew of new ips. Hell, even the 360 gets by extremely well due to 3rd party support which helps 360 owners get over the fact that they have fewer must have exclusives.

After the zelda games or the mario games or the metroid games (not counting that god awful last game), its hard to name a reason why a core gamer would use their system. Its not like their mascots are raining games on gamers year round either. And thats why i agree with this article for the most part.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:48:29 AM
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na console sales sept

360 438,000
ps3 260,000
wii 240,000

well at least sony is not sitting in their normal last place spot but they would be if not for the price drop. the wii trails by just 20.000 units so its sales are comparable to sony's. it's still selling. nothing to worry about yet for nintendo.

frankly i'm more worried about sony's na numbers. there is no reason they should be getting blown out like it with the recent price drop. it's almost unbelievable. na is a territory sony owned for 2 gens in a row. wtf happened? i just don't understand it. all i know is sony needs to address those na sales are they will always have an uphill battle in the console war. if i were sony i would fire whoever is in charge of marketing in na and bring in somebody who can get the job done. i would argue the ps3 has an image problem in na. that is something that is hard to reverse but it can be done. i would love to know how much sony spends on advertising in na compared to ms.

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Deleted User
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:09:48 AM

Sony sold 370,000 PS3s in September, not 260,000. Second, with all the banned and broken consoles, MS continues to syphon money out of sheeple with peer pressure issues. Third, Sony kicks both consoles asses worldwide. All you care about is the U.S., a market filled with people who don't know any better it seems and believes anything some "game journalist" tells them.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:54:56 AM

If you're so intent on bashing Sony and its sales, I keep wondering why you even bother to post. It's just always a doomsday scenario with you, and it's NEVER right, from either an analyst or business/financial standpoint.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:27:40 AM

@bighat

you are correct i got the wrong year. that is a big improvement. i also messed up the wii's numbers it was 264,000. oops. somehow ms numbers are right. i had to look them up seperately. it's hard to get sony's numbers becuase they don't release them rfor some reason. so i usually run into eedar/wedbush forecast which i have jusy learned can be off a lot and are difficult to track yr to yr.

ben

i never said doomsday. i just want sony to do better in na. what's so bad about that? is that really bashing? i live here and i care about how sony does here. it's just frustrating. they are in last place and that has bugged the hell out of me this entire gen. if were not for na it would not be that way.

i post about a great many other things than that by the way. you should know that. the main reason i post here is interact with the great community. that's why i bother, okay?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:27:26 AM

I just go by what I see. Every single time sales of any kind are discussed, you immediately post about how the PS3 is selling like crap. Usually, someone has to fix your numbers because they're wrong, and you never cite the 9-10 months after the PS3 price drop where it outsold most everything in North America.

I'm just not sure why you keep getting those numbers wrong; it almost seems intentional.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:51:11 AM

I honestly don't care what place Sony is in, I'm not looking at it like it's a race or something.

I'm looking at it as a gamer who loves games. And honestly Sony is doing a good job of it. They are making good games and keeping me happy and others who enjoy them. As long as Sony is stable and can make a profit I really don't care what place they are in.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:15:24 PM

To me the numbers mean squat anyways. Why judge somethings success on it's sales? I pointed this out last week with you Exilcisor, regardig Uncharted 3. I don get why your so bent over the impression that only games that sell 10 million copies or consoles that are selling at the wii's pace are, to you, considered a success. I'm sure Sony would like to have more sales, but I'm certain they are happy with the statistics. I seen something the other day that said the PS3 outsold the 360 in NA by 1 million units this year. I don't know the truth to that cus I don't buy into sales figures. I can honestly say the PS3 has grown far more, and has succeeded in more ways than the 360 had, regardless of sales numbers.

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Highlander
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:06:58 PM

Excelsior, check the Global sales, European sales, Japanese sales, and sales in the rest of the world. Comforting as it may be to you to focus on the NA system sales, globally PS3 is doing rather well right now. You also neglect the fact that 360 is decelerating, PS3 continues accelerating.

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Stoner420
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:03:21 AM
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if nintendo stoped making consols then there would be no more mario,zelda,pokemon and those were the building blocks to my gaming history

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:46:38 PM

Well it could also mean they would do their games on other systems... Man I really want to play an Uncharted like graphics POKEMON!!! lol It would be so awesome. Just dreams for now XD Hoping the WiiU will be able to show us some good stuff.

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Stoner420
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:10:02 AM
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they souldnt quit making consoles they sould just make better games

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 8:48:36 PM

Well nintendo makes pretty decent games already. Let's say they should have MORE of those decent games and not only 1 or 2 per year...

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Snaaaake
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:24:43 AM
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The loss they posted was massive indeed, but 2012 will be Nintendo's comeback for sure.

I'm looking forward to how the Wii-U performs.

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Qubex
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 10:32:27 AM
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Personally I feel the more choice about in the market place the better it is for gamers.

Competition is good!

The Wii hasn't been direct competition to the likes of the 360 and PS3, but they are still here, in the "mix" so to speak; and in some ways do keep the industry interesting.

I am sure, in their own way, Nintendo have influenced decision making at M$ and Sony, and that alone is a good thing in itself.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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hadouken
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:33:28 AM
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I use to love Nintendo back in the day, but now it seems like they don't care anymore.

It might just me but there should at least be 4 aaa titles on your system a year. One or two isn't cutting it.

With Wii U I hope Nintendo steps up because I still like them and I hope they don't make you play with the motion controller.

There should be an option, not like that class controller that only supports very few games.

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Raze22
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 11:33:31 AM
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It is going to be funny if nintendo pulls a 2nd upset with the wii u. It is kind of like how everyone thought bush wasn't going to get a 2nd term.

Even I right now highly doubt it, but after this gen surprises?! We haven't even seen what sony or microsoft have in the tank.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 12:05:34 PM

yeah this gen shows ANYTHING is possible. we have 1 console go from worst to first and the 1st place winner from 2 gens in a row go to the back of the bus so to speak.

gamers are fickle bunch aren't we? the talking heads have been HORRIBLE at predicting the outcome in the console wars. last gen was supposed to a tight 3 way race. it was not anything like that. nintendo written off for dead this gen...nope. that did not happen either.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:36:35 PM

Excelsior, I'm sorry, but that's not right, either.

The so-called "talking heads" never said anything about a "tight 3-way race." In fact, most analysts didn't think Nintendo had a snowball's chance in hell. That's why the Wii's success was so surprising.

Furthermore, most people weren't saying Sony would relinquish its #1 spot. They didn't really change their tune until they found out the 360 would beat the PS3 to store shelves by a full year.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but you have to trust me when I say that sometimes, you should just do a bit more research. That's not condescending or anything; it's just friendly advice.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 3:34:48 PM

i said tight 3 way race last gen. did you even read what i said? they got that wrong just like they got this gen wrong. hell they did not even get the ps1 era prediction right. they have never been right. their predictions for this gen could not have been more wrong if they tried. nobody predicted the wii to be the hit that it was, there were some rumblings the ps3 would have trouble at that price point but nobody expected the ps3 to perform as badly as it did at the start. bottom line the predictions in the console wars have been awful. might as well draw a random name out of a hat when trying to predict a winner.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 4:26:15 PM

If you want to go last-gen, nobody has much faith in Microsoft entering the console realm, either.

The idea that analysts are just "never right" is false. I read the investor notes all the time. More often than not, they're spot-on.

But believe what you want.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:55:31 PM

i don't know about investor notes, but i do remember egm's editor in chief predicting a tight 3 way race. i have no doubt investors were skeptical of ms's attempts to enter the console war. they were probably even skeptical of ms this gen considering the xbox division lost money for years. that's part of the reason the 360 did not have a manditory hd in it. they wanted to lower costs.

can we at least agree they have been horrible at predicting nintendo's fate? i don't think you know what's going to happen to nintendo anymore than anybody else except maybe my sister.

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DemonNeno
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:09:53 PM
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You're absolutely right and it makes me very sad and frustrated to see the end of Nintendo. Realistically, it ended for me just around the time of the N64, which clinched me about as much as the original Xbox - Not at all. It was the first time I looked for something new.

Sony's fallout with Nintendo on their jointed efforts, that soon turned solo and into the Playstation, was the devistating punch that handicapped their innovations. This had bad news written all over it. What was interesting was the trend that led to downfalls. Sega with their Add-on unit, Neo Geo with the same and ultimatel Nintendo in the days of Cartridge gaming that failed to transition.

In all honesty, I don't think the N64, GameCube, or even the Wii were Nintendo's plan A. Instead, I firmly believe their broken partnership with Sony burned their bridge to progression and competitiveness. If anything, these systems were nothing more than an valiant attempt to stay relevant while they tried to restructure their efforts.

What they lost were their most important gamers. They lost their devoted fans. They lost those who loved their RPGs, fighter games and original platformers. Sure, the transition to 3D gaming did little to help their cause, but there were plenty of untapped positive approaches to reincarnating many titles into this new realm. Instead, they chased FPS gaming, something they ended up biting off more than they could chew.

Instead, they fell second to none in mediocracy.

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daus26
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:10:48 PM
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I'm liking the arguments here. They are both strong ones imo. I also really appreciate our own site owner taking his time to discuss such things with the members. Not very many sites do it at the level I see here (although it gets too personal sometimes), and it's actually one of the reasons I love this site. If you're gonna have somebody run things, they that somebody would have to stick with what they believe in, and have a reasonable argument to counter those who disagrees.


Anyway..

With the way Wii U is going to be, they still seem like the casuals are their main target. Sure, they'll support the hardcore games, but are they hardcore games of this gen, or next gen? It'd be too late if it was for this gen. If they do support next gens of hardcore games, it'd probably be the dumbed down version.

Nintendo has become a company where it is heavily dependent on the casual market, and its legendary franchises. If that's all you have going for it for the foreseeable future, how far can you really last? You can only make so much Mario and Zelda games. They already tried making Mario do all sorts of things, and it goes as far as depending on N64 REMAKES for their success especially the 3DS. I thought it was clear that you can't always depend future successes based on past successes. We as a world tend to evolve.

MS and Sony on the other hand, has innovative, and new franchises to look forward to, and with a high spec gaming system that is capable of doing more things.

But HOLD ON. The casuals are a bigger market than the hardcore. If Nintendo can keep the casuals interested, then I don't see them going anywhere. Sales is the absolute evaluation for a business, not the opinions of the hardcore crowd. Sure, they only release few AAA titles every year, but do the "casuals" depend on AAA titles? They just care about the "fun factor" for parties and such, not the technical side of things like graphics, replay value, sound, etc. Or am I wrong?

TBH, we haven't seen what the Wii-U is fully capable of yet. We'll know for sure this upcoming Spring.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 4:10:09 PM

@duas

i agree with everything you said. best post on this thread...especially the parts about this site and the hold on section. does nintendo really need more than 1 AAA game a year? does it really matter what the hardcore gamers think of the wii u? maybe not as much as we think. i will admit i was one of those people who thought nintendo was toast this gen. i based that on what the so called experts were saying...i could not have been more wrong.

sales are the ultimate determining factor when it comes to judging the success of a system. it does not mater how many headlines wii or wii u gets when/if they managed to move a lot of hardware. i just don't think the same rules of console war apply to nintendo when they have shown an ability to create their own market so to speak. any talk of nintendo's console days being finished is just wild speculation at this point. for me personaly i am not going to make the same mistake of writing them off again.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 2:24:44 PM
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People will eventually learn that you don't sign up with the word "fanboy" in your username, with zero intent of contributing beyond one article.

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Warrior Poet
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 3:57:58 PM
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The Wii definitely has a lot of great games. Other than Skyward Sword, though, none are coming out this year in America. Skyward Sword will be a day-one buy for me! That hasn't happened for five years. Zelda, Metroid, and Mario really are the reason I have a Wii. There are also more great Nintendo games like Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros, Kirby...and then there are the third party games like TvC and Bit.Trip.

All the same, I do agree with you that Nintendo's business strategy is way off. I do hope they keep making consoles instead of just putting their games on PS or XBOX - their pride and probably the quality of the games would stuffer, having to cater to a completely different audience. I know Call of Duty and Elder Scrolls fans who don't even know there's a new Zelda coming out! They'd probably be in trouble.

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Gordo
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 5:53:36 PM
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Just been given a Wii for free (I'm a poet and I don't even know it).

Any good recommendations for cheap, good games? I can't justify spending PS3 game prices for Wii games so old cheapies will be all I am willing to pick up.

(Sorry if its off topic).

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piratedrunk
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 7:32:35 PM
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As long as Nintendo keep making games I want to play I will buy them. I don't regret getting a Wii in the slightest. It doesn't get used nearly as often as my ps3 because of admittedly few quality releases but when Nintendo does deliver they deliver big and I would hate to miss out on such great gaming experiences.

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Mr Wright
Saturday, October 29, 2011 @ 9:58:28 PM
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I don't know if Nintendo's console days are over, but I can definitely say that they lost me personally when the Wii came out and the graphics didn't make any leaps like every console released had up until that time. I was so disappointed. It's always been about the new console coming up is going to have way better graphics and I felt like them staying in the stone age basically, was a slap in the face to gamers that had always supported the Nintendo brand (needless to say I never got a Wii). I did play the Wii a little bit here and there at friends houses, but I honestly have to say that I don't think hardcore gamers want to move around while they are playing games (at least not at this point). I want to relax while I game, not jump up and down.

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firesoul453
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:04:51 AM
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The wii does have plenty of good games, and basically perfect compatibility of game cube games. Its worth getting a wii.


The wii almost certainly cost a large percentage less than its competition and yet hasn't been that much cheaper for most of its sales.

I can't really imagine first party nintendo exclusives ever being considered "hard core" games but I can't image them just being 3rd rate multi platform games either

If nintendo becomes the next Sega, then the gaming world will lose something great

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Laguna
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:35:55 AM
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the drama in the article comments is unbelievable, but i digress.

I don't want Nintendo going anywhere. They can take their first place high in the clouds for all i care. They don't matter and don't factor in my eyes.

They have their gems once a year, i believe people rate them so damn highly because there are hardly many amazing games on the wii...so they overreact!

There is no denying that these AAA Nintendo games are high quality though.

that being said, their hardware is dated and their support had died. Why can't they just give the US the three most desired rpgs?

Having Nintendo at the top means Sony and Microsoft will try harder. Nintendo is harmless at the top, they aren't even in the competition.

Let Sony and Microsoft duke it out. Sony essentially paved a road with the ps3, building exclusives for themselves rather than relying on 3rd party exclusives.

Oh, and those 3rd party exclusives from last gen that went multiplat? They haven't been faring very well... (DMC, FF, VF, etc)

I don't want Nintendo to go, i have use for them to entertain my children when i have some, but i will always buy sony or microsoft consoles from now.

I don't trust Sony or MS to the right thing when they are on top. Nintendo didn't do the right thing either, but once again, they are harmless.

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Underdog15
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 12:25:05 PM

Hey Mario, I'm wondering if you got my earlier reply to you.

I was just wondering when you planned on getting some more AAA friends to hang out with. I have lots of AAA buddies on my shelf. I could introduce you if you'd like to make your games for a better system. I'll even introduce you to some multiplat games you've never been good enough to hang out with!

They're all nice, too! I can introduce you to Kratos, some Helghast, Ezio, Altair, Lightning and her friends, Nathan Drake and his friends, Sack Boy, Cole MacGrath, the dudes from Nier, Modnation, and Resistence, perhaps Hawke, or the chic I control in Fallout3, Leonard, the characters from ICO and SotC, the cast from Heavy Rain, Ratchet, Clank, hmm....

and I know I'm forgetting some people, too. I can go into more depth if you allow me to branch outside the AAA realm...

Anyways, while my pals are dining at the longest supper table in the world (you know... so they can all fit), you Link and Samus can huddle in your corner of the lunch room. I'm sure at least between the three of you, you can agree on being the very best and biggest group of cool kids. You even have fancy wiimotes for pew-pew-pewing the competition!

You certainly are clever enough to make a counter point to Ben, now aren't you? *rolls eyes*

Come back when you manage to get your GED by your 35th birthday.

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Beamboom
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 2:30:43 PM

Did you ignore ALL my heroes on PURPOSE, Underdog? ;)

People like the Courier, Alcatraz, Shepard, Capelli, The Warden... Well, at least you mention Hawke. :)

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Underdog15
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 5:18:19 PM

lol, oh yes, feel free to add in any i have missed.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 8:39:02 AM
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The Wii has really fallen off in 2011. It's like it doesn't even exist. It still sells decent numbers because of its price point and pack-ins like the PS2 did but there's no new software.

The 3DS is nice but it just isn't anything special beyond the 3D effects. Maybe once Super Mario Land 3DS and Mario Kart 3DS arrive, things will change.

As for the Wii U, ever since Satoru Iwata's "awkward" announcement at E3, we have seen very little about it. While Sony heavily promotes Vita, Nintendo has been silent. I think they know that people aren't impressed with this new console. I even think it WON'T come out in 2012. I feel they might be planning to beef it up. However, whatever the technology, it will dwarf whatever the PS4 and Xbox Next has.

I'm a big fan of Nintendo to this day and I felt the Wii had some great software beyond its gimmick but now I see a company that is paying the price for not changing with the times. They need to stop with the notion that video gaming is for kids and families. Most video gamers are adults who want mature games 70% of the time.

I don't see Mario or Link ever appearing on other consoles. Nintendo has said their franchises will appear only on Nintendo.

I think they need a new approach, new franchises and to dispel Sam Tramiel's long time belief that Nintendo has never been known for their hardware. Good luck seeing them change, though.

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 6:09:21 PM
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Maybe, I think the whole screen controller is cool and all but it would be pretty big, so I was wondering maybe console should have a seperate accesory that let's you stream video signal to smaller screen to carry where ever you go if somebody wants to use the tv?

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bentl78
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 9:03:07 PM
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I will pick up a WII U, just to play all the mario and zelda and their first party titles in HD.. just like i have xbox to play thier first party titles.. but. it seems xbox has less and less that interest me.. the last 2 i played was fable and alan wake... but nintendo has lots to offer from its first party franchises, which I have been dying to play, but I cannot stand the SD graphics anymore..

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Zubair
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 4:18:54 AM
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XBox 360 and Wii in the same boat, after Forza 4 and GOW 3 they have nothing.

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Robochic
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 11:59:08 AM
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I enjoy playing on the Wii now and again, I enjoy just like Jawknee Zelda and I do not see Nintendo really going anywhere. I do get annoyed that not much comes out for nintendo once the system starts getting a few years old they did it with the Gamecube as well but they are here to stay no denying that.
@jawknee can't wait for the new Zelda either, did you get a new 3Ds?

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Jawknee
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 5:25:06 PM

Not yet. I'ma try and pick one up this week though along the new Wii Kirby, Ocarina of Time and StarFox on 3DS. They have a buy 2 get 1 free sale this week at Target.

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DrRockso87
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:50:29 PM
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I've loved Nintendo's games and console since I was 4 years old (back in 1991) and continue to love their games. Their consoles though... I agree, Ben. Maybe it is time.

Looking at the Wii now, I see so many games that I still love but honestly, I'd much rather have them on the PS3 and 360. Imagine playing Donkey Kong or Metroid in 720p, 60fps with trophies, online capabilities, etc.? I think about that whenever I think about Nintendo.

I know the Wii-U will soon arrive with 1080p graphics but after that the PS4 and Xbox 720 (or whatever the hell they're called) will arrive with much more power. I think Nintendo is too far behind now. Just go third-party, guys. I mean, I'd hate to see Nintendo end up like Sega (blegh) but I want to enjoy my games on current-generation tech.

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