Would You Ditch Physical If Digital Was Cheaper?
View Large ImageAnalysts say it's inevitable: at some point in the industry's future, all games will be in digital format. Physical media will die. It might take some time, but we're already starting to see evidence of the shift, and developers and publishers are supporting it.
As usual, it always comes down to a question of money. Developers have been complaining throughout the generation that games have become too expensive to make, and taking risks is ill-advised. At the same time, gamers continue to complain about the supposed high cost of games (the fact that a SNES cartridge cost $60 nearly 20 years ago doesn't seem to matter to such complainers), and publishers have made it plain that digital delivery is simply more efficient.
So if both the manufacturer and consumer gets things done for a cheaper cost, isn't that a good thing? It's a no-brainer for the game makers, but will gamers who value their physical, tangible game collections opt for a digital copy of a game if it's cheaper? How much cheaper would it have to be? Of course, if we don't even have the option between digital and physical, this isn't even a question, anymore. But we should have the option for quite a while, right? What would you choose?
In my experience, people talk big about what they want, but the instant you save 'em a few bucks, they change their tune. It's a little depressing, but that's how things work.
11/4/2011 Ben Dutka
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Cpt_Geez
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 9:44:18 PM
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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:43:46 PM
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Qubex
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 10:01:24 PM
Gamers who have not spent the extra money, would simply get the game as the would normally. Idea is you could have a very nice virtual collection with all the trimmings.
I guess it will never be the same as actually owning the box itself right?
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Last edited by Qubex on 11/5/2011 10:01:54 PM
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manofchao5
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 5:34:34 PM
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Excelsior1
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 9:42:03 PM
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i have bought some games on psn. they are on my hard drive. it's just not the same as looking at big gaming collection.
BIKERSAINT would probably have a stroke if we ever went to an all digital medium since he's an avid collector of games.
my answer is no.
Last edited by Excelsior1 on 11/4/2011 9:42:42 PM
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Axe99
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 5:48:44 AM
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 9:45:34 PM
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Ever since Steam I see all the benefits to digital over physical. Especially since I seldom if ever resell my games.
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bigrailer19
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:31:03 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:34:39 PM
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dmiitrie
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:13:53 AM
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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:20:17 AM
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:25:09 AM
You can get a 1tb PS3 hard drive for under $100. I honestly don't get how people can complain about space when HDs are so cheap now. I see it as a bogus complaint to justify not downloading digital content.
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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:02:35 AM
Now I would think it would most likely be more than double the HDD space, to download a digital copy of a game, than it does using the disc to install the same game. I could be wrong but indications say otherwise. Again I'm talking about consoles.
That's just games though. What about those who like to have music, movies and other forms of media on there consoles? There's a lot to this conversation.
I agree for PC's it's probably epic and great. For consoles though, it's not a very beneficial thing.
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/5/2011 1:12:03 AM
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oldmike
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:51:27 AM
cant do that with any full size game downloaded
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:34:49 AM
I agree some games are massive and require a large amount of space (Rage requiring 25gigs) but as a whole I don't see a problem with space and my massive digital collection.
@oldmike
Steam allows you to download games days before they actually release and unlock them the day of release. I usually end up playing games sooner than my friends that pick them up at the store due to this. While they're on their way there or waiting for a delivery I already own and am playing the game.
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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:58:41 AM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:36:25 AM
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Rtk_13
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 6:11:33 AM
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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:25:45 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:09:00 PM
I have my PS3 content backed up and while some of the data is protected I haven't had a problem with a majority of the data I have. So I think a majority isn't protected while a small amount is.
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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 4:32:09 PM
Sorry yea your right. I re-read my paragraph and I mixed some things up. Yes probably very little data is copy right protected although some is. But what I was getting at is if you have an installed game, say something from the PSN your not backing up the install, just the saved data file. I've backed up my system 2x recently and only a few games of mine have copyrighted files, I believe RDR and Transformers: WfC for certain. Obviously I can't transfer my digital games, just the save data for them.
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tes37
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 9:47:40 PM
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gray_eagle
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 10:06:09 PM
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going digital will just save money from shipping and putting the game on
a disc, but it wont be any cheaper creating a game.
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cLoudou
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 10:10:23 PM
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Clamedeus
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:09:21 PM
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tes37
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 6:14:10 AM
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Excelsior1
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 8:17:14 AM
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Jawknee
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 9:23:26 AM
Oh and I have also been busy playing Starfox and Zelda on my new 3DS. ;)
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telly
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 10:10:08 AM
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Jawknee
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 1:16:52 PM
Hit the Switch.
Hit me up on PSN. I'd like to here more about your music.
PSN ID: Jawknee1
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dkmrules
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 11:26:59 PM
Last edited by dkmrules on 11/6/2011 11:27:33 PM
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LunaticFringe
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:01:37 PM
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Also, games are so expensive to make. I hate seeing game developers go out of business because of poor sales. If games cost less, we can buy more games.Wouldn't games be cheaper to make? Then we could buy more games. Smaller studios can begin to make better games and stay in business. Cheaper games. More games to buy. Better variety of games. Everyone wins.
Last edited by LunaticFringe on 11/4/2011 11:02:24 PM
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CanadianGuy420
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:01:55 PM
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Mr Bubbles IGR
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:04:21 PM
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Solid state drives should be in every future game system that has digital media only. There are no moving parts, so it wont fail and its alot faster than standard hard drives. Which would allow for better download and install times.
Last edited by Mr Bubbles IGR on 11/4/2011 11:05:25 PM
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Geobaldi
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:05:52 PM
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SubjectiveTruth
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:10:34 PM
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WTF happens if you don't like it?? This is a serious question. I fully expected to be blown away by Red Dead Redemption, I liked the first and I love GTA so why wouldn't I like it? So I bought it over some other game I can't remember. I ended up hating it and thank god I was able to sell it to a friend for 40 bucks.
So either digital games will some how have to be able to be refunded or developers will have to release demos that are long enough to represent enough of a game that you sure you wanna whip your credit card out. I'm sure we can all recall games that were awesome for the first couple stages and then got repetitive.
Also, what about people who have band width restrictions?
There is a lot to this and in my personal opinion I think physical media should be here to stay for anything that costs more than 20 bucks.
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bigrailer19
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:37:06 PM
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I won't ever support all digital for two reasons. One I like my copies of games. Short n' sweet. Two, hard drive space is too limited. Especially with the PS3. You are literally limited to one HDD per PS3, as soon as you re-format a new HDD the old is out along with all the saves. I'm only using the PS3 as an example, to point out how restricted and limited all digital would be. I'm not one to buy a game then have to delete it so I can clear space to buy another. I can't imagine the size GT5 would be if it wasn't on a disc, and I further can't imagine how long it would take to download. The idea is insane, at least for consoles.
Last edited by bigrailer19 on 11/4/2011 11:38:26 PM
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Warrior Poet
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:38:40 PM
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Areas in the world with no or slow internet would be cut out, as well as people who just like collections.
As for me? I'll just stop buying consoles if everything goes digital. Heh.
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79transam
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:44:36 PM
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VampDeLeon
Friday, November 04, 2011 @ 11:49:43 PM
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JackDillinger89
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:07:15 AM
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Russell Burrows
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:27:09 AM
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And BD500 and BD1000 for more advanced games for me.
Digital? no thanks!! I have Infamous in digital and I am not pleased since I want a disc instead.
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King_Krollen
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:41:01 AM
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dmiitrie
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:49:40 AM
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Wendell
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 1:12:48 PM
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CrusaderForever
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:43:32 AM
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dmiitrie
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 4:06:24 AM
And, although Internet is obviously required to DL games, it is not required to play them. Total lack of Internet though will always be a giant problem for digital access. Hopefully though, when this becomes the norm (IF it becomes the norm), Internet access will be much more widely available in more parts of the world than it currently is.
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firesoul453
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:02:33 AM
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not unless it was like a %75 difference and even then only on some games
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godsdream
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:35:50 AM
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Hmm... Maybe someday my complete collection of Final Fantasy games will be worth thousands of dollars!!
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godsdream
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:28:27 AM
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556pineapple
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:40:04 AM
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Beamboom
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:19:28 AM
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556pineapple
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 1:30:49 PM
And another thing. I was in a serious financial pinch earlier this year. As much as I didn't like it, I had to liquidate most of my collection of PS3 games. If it were purely digital, I wouldn't have had that option unless I sold my PS3, and then legally I couldn't have sold those games with it. It's just not to the point where I think digital distribution can be a legitimate substitute for physical media, but that doesn't mean I don't think it ever will be.
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BikerSaint
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:32:21 PM
If someone allows their discs to get scratched up, especially with these much more resistant Blurays, then they don't take care of their games & they surly don't deserve to even touch any of them IMHO.
BTW, that's why I'd never buy a used rental game from places like Blockbuster, etc, cause you know that since it doesn't belong to them, that most kids won't bother taking care of it while it's in their possession.
Hell, just look at some of GameStop's trade-in's, lots of the USED games for sale on their shelves are are missing the manuals or cover art, and/or even the case itself is screwed up.
So, as far as I'm concerned, people don't take care of their games, aren't gamers at all, they're just grade-A a$$-holes.....
.....and you can quote me on that!
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johnld
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 10:13:48 PM
rental stores usually have pretty good deals with them but like you i dont trust the quality of their games. so heres what i do, if theres a good deal at a rental store like blockbuster, i'll buy it. then i'll buy the same game from gamestop used. i take what i want like manuals and the game disc, then return the blockbuster copy to gamestop for a full refund. they never ask you whether you bought the game at gamestop with everything or not because they just typically buy the game back then put it straight on the shelf after putting a price on it.
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BikerSaint
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 2:23:52 PM
The only Blockbuster around me closed down over 4 years ago, now there's only kiosks about 4 towns away.
I only tried buying used games from BB one time when it was open & it was a rotten experience.
All 7 games were sealed in cellophane, so I asked if all there games were complete, and with the manuals, which the register biscuit said they were.
But once i got them home, not one of them had any manuals, so back they went for a full refund.
And I've never dealt with Blocbuster since.
Besides GameStop(where I can actually inspect every game myself), I mostly deal with 2 mom & pop stores, where all their USED games are cheaper & they make sure that the condition of their trade-in's are in tip-top shape(plus I'd much rather keep my money recycling right back into my community than going to corporate GameStop).
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___________
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:11:47 AM
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30+ bucks maybe, but its also nice to have the box and manual and stuff to enjoy.
plus if its DL then no trading in or lending to friends or selling.
unless they find a way around that then i doubt id buy anything DL only unless it was significantly cheaper, like 80% off.
recently picked up NFS most wanted, carbon, undercover, and hot pursuit off steam for 40 bucks!
if they were that cheap then yea id definitely jump in, but otherwise no point just far too many cons up against the pros.
everyone likes saving money, but not at the cost of a pain in the a$$!
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Beamboom
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:15:45 AM
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Today I have transferred to 100% digital music collection, I've even digitized all my CDs and records and sold them, and I never look back.
And yes, I still buy music, I am a quite good customer at Beatport.
Also, I've bought quite a few games on my mobile, and it's not really that bad. Especially since the games are *so* cheap.
So, my answer is "yes", based on experience.
Last edited by Beamboom on 11/5/2011 3:23:49 AM
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Coffeya
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 12:39:46 AM
edit:
this comment wasn't suppose to be a response to beamboom, but the article in general.
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Ershin
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 9:10:56 AM
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Snaaaake
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 10:23:59 AM
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1)Being 30% cheaper
2)File size not being too big
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friction
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 11:06:03 AM
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BikerSaint
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 11:45:52 AM
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"NO"
FYI, although I do have about 10-12 DL titles(EX: From Dust, & inFamous:Festival Of Blood), no matter how good they may be, I will forever "HATE" on these DL games just because I can't see them up on my shelves, all nestled nicely, & alphabetically, among my other 2,293 physical games.
And IMHO, that's the most horrendous of crimes against all of us hardcore collectors.
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Rogueagent01
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 7:46:09 PM
Just like the music industry many people thought it was going to go digital only and the funny thing, is that you can still buy vinyl so sorry it will never go all digital. Where there is customer there is also a business person ready to take advantage.
Honestly if everything went digital only it would be time for me to take on some new hobbies.
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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 11:48:23 AM
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Skatejimmy5
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 11:50:53 AM
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You won't ever get that same feeling of sensation from downloading a game from the Store. I'll never stop buying physical media. The same goes for movies and music as well.
That's just the way it is. ;)
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burnedknight
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 11:56:53 AM
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shadowscorpio
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:26:02 PM
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Douchebaguette
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 12:45:45 PM
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I believe the biggest issue the majority have with converting to digital is trust. When you break a disc, it's your fault (or your dog's/brother's etc.). But with digital, where there's possibilites of bugs, glitches and no refunds, you will instead Rage Against the Machine.
I personally reckon they'd take advantage of price when such an outbreak eventually consumes the market. I'd also miss the new book smell along with the excitement of making a journey to the city centre just to awe at it's plastic seal and bask in it's warm glowing warming glow.
Won't happen for a while though. Place with a terrible standard of internet connections in various parts of the world wouldn't be able to viably enjoy videogames, which would lead to a lack of sales for consoles, especially Sony. And Sony won't be evil by ditching their fanbase, which is why I like them.
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DjEezzy
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:00:03 PM
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DjEezzy
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:00:46 PM
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dillonthebunny
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 2:14:46 PM
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but since the psn has been doing full games, my attitude has changed.
some games I feel that you want a piece of history, I still own the Ico and SotC originals with the art work, I still own the Ltd ed JP GT4 pack, but what of the new games?
if it was cheaper, yeah.. I could be swayed. I like my PS3 to be the swiss army console, you know.. its does everything! its the way I run my psp, its the way I run my phone...
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AugustoDeItalia
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 3:54:05 PM
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GuyverLT
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 4:13:32 PM
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mk ultra
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 5:48:33 PM
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By the way, HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY EVERYBODY!
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BigBoss4ever
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 7:13:58 PM
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Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 9:00:07 PM
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trumpetmon65
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 9:17:18 PM
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johnld
Saturday, November 05, 2011 @ 10:22:23 PM
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i dont want to do a backup either because its going to take a long time to backup everything on your hard drive. not only does it take a lot of time to back up your hard drive, sometimes the restore function wont work properly. i remember when i was upgrading my ps3 from a 250 to a 500 gb drive. i actually spent more than 2 days backing up and restoring my data. everytime i did a restore, it kept telling me that the system restore didnt work properly. i had to keep deleting files in order to get my system backed up and restoring properly. my backup went from 200+ to about 4-5gb because i had to delete everything but the save files. then i had to redownload the games i bought and each updates to my games.
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xnonsuchx
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 1:37:52 AM
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djbool
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 6:14:13 AM
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telly
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 10:23:53 AM
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If and when internet speeds improve enough to the point where downloading a blu-ray's worth of data takes a few seconds, then I think digital download will become the overwhelming favorite for game buyers. Until then, I just don't think it's possible.
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Wendell
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 12:59:01 PM
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BikerSaint
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 2:35:05 PM
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I think the only perfect solutions towards not screwing all us old school gamers would be if every new game coming out would be released in both physical & D/L form, and that way every gamer can get what they what just the way they want it.
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dmiitrie
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 12:09:45 AM
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Ather
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 7:47:45 PM
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Caanimal
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 8:28:54 PM
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And no, I would never go digital only because then you never truly own the product, just buy the rights to play the game at THEIR discretion(carefully read the ToS)... I still prefer to have an actually book in my hands than one of those damnedable "E-books"....
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SS4
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 10:11:33 PM
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Let me explain:
To me it seems that you are free to use physical media the way you want and digital media feel like you are renting them with all the limitation imposed on them. I'm looking at you DLC (especially with new politics on it...)
So if I buy something its mine. If not then physical will remain my prefered choice until i can actually OWN digital media in a decent way.
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SonyPuppy
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 12:36:14 AM
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Gabriel013
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 12:55:10 AM
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Considering I can buy a £40 game and get roughly £20 for it when I trade in, I don't think digital will ever be cheap enough to pull me from the pysical versions. I can also pick up games new for £15 if they've been out a while. The digital versions are still £30 .
The new releases are a stupidly priced at closer to £60!
That's right people, I said £60. No box, no retailer mark-up. Straight from the PSN £60.
I say screw that.
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Rogueagent01
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 7:53:47 PM
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Reaper_505
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 10:10:27 AM
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SS4
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 1:18:36 PM
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There is also the case of throttling because theyd rather do that then upgrade their infrastructure to once again bring in more money by giving crappier service and promising speed that are available for short periods during the day only and help you bust you monthly cap faster if you use your speed too much....
So thx to the big telecom being greedy we get crappy speed and low download limit and that just makes it really bad for digital content distribution. Some Indie ISP offer unlimited internet but they still use the big telecom network so they will have to man up and upgrade their infrastructure otherwise we are still stuck. Lets hope everyone switch to Indie so the big telecom will be forced to change their ways and upgrade to world standards.
Sry for the rant :P
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rounan
Monday, November 07, 2011 @ 7:59:50 PM
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Tuesday, November 08, 2011 @ 10:24:57 PM
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1. Not only would the used game market be dead, but the rental market would also be dead. Think of how long it would take to download a game just for a rental!! And don't say you can just download a demo cause there are some people that use Gamefly to rent a game, beat it, and send it back. You would be forcing people to buy it if they want to play it. No more selling a game after you beat it either because it would be authorized only on your console. It would put companies like Gamefly and Gamestop out of business for sure.
2. No more borrowing games from friends or bringing a game to a friend's house to play it there. You would have to bring your whole system over just to play 1 game!
3. Who would house all these games for download? PSN would be overloaded if it was just them!! Can you imagine 7+ million people trying to download a new release like MW3 on release day?!?!?! Would other stores have the capacity to offer these downloads? If not, that would pretty much monopolize the market for PSN and XBL.
4. They would have to reduce the price to about $10 a game for me to go digital. I rarely buy new releases except for some of the big ones. I generally wait til the price on Amazon dips under at least $40 before I buy a new game.
Bottom line there are too many factors to consider here. No way games will go all digital. I too still prefer having a book in my hand instead of a nook. LONG LIVE PHYSICAL MEDIA!! lol
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