Ben's Week In Review: January 15
I keep forgetting that it's 2012. I have to stop writing 2011 on everything.
Genre blending: a good thing or not?
Those comments by Hitman: Absolution developer IO Interactive concerning the changing stealth genre really got me thinking. I distinctly recall a time when most games could easily fall into one category. It would take all of five seconds to categorize most any given title. But as technology has advanced, designers have been able to implement a variety of gameplay mechanics, meaning the lines between genres are getting blurrier by the second. It's just that so many gamers remember a time when, for example, stealth was stealth. You couldn't play Metal Gear Solid with a run 'n gun attitude. It's just not possible (at least, not really).
And so, when we see all this action-oriented gameplay in titles like Absolution, fans of the genre get all bent out of shape. They're not realizing that the action should be - according to the devs - entirely optional. It's just an expansion; i.e., more choice for the player. But do you think this is a good thing? Or would you rather have more defined genres as we used to have? It was a little more straightforward, after all...
It's true that all major regions are different, but...
I'm not sure I like Sony's statement about how you can't predict anything based on the Japanese launch of the PlayStation Vita. I mean, first of all, Japan really seems to love their portable electronic devices, so if a handheld doesn't fare well there, I'm not sure it'll explode elsewhere. Secondly, while I certainly understand the inherent demographic and cultural differences, you can't tell me there's nothing to be learned from the Vita launch in Japan. We shouldn't be passing judgment or making far-reaching predictions just yet, but in many respects, gamers are gamers. A gamer who likes handheld entertainment in Japan can't be that much different than a fan of handheld entertainment elswhere...can he?
Me, I don't want to complicate the issue. I just think that despite all the considerations and factors, it really comes down to price and available games. It seems the Vita has the games, but the price may be somewhat restrictive. There's also the question of mobile gaming (tablets, phones) versus dedicated handheld gaming devices, but let's face it: if the Vita was a hundred bucks, it'd sell like mad, right?
Personal gaming update
I'm at the end of Gears of War 3 (I think) and I guess I'll have to be on the lookout for Final Fantasy XIII-2 in the next few weeks. I liked a few things about the playable demo, like the fact that the game isn't automatically over if the leader dies, but I have plenty of reservations. I'm just not that excited about it. However, although it's too heavy on the QTEs, that Asura's Wrath demo was pretty wacky. Games that are so unabashedly over-the-top are really quite entertaining in a lot of ways; sorta refreshing in a way, too. One always thought all video games would head in this direction back in the '80s; every single game had an over-the-top theme then.
Not much else to report, although I should add that after 7 years with my old cell phone, I finally caved and got a new one. They were offering the Samsung Stratosphere 4GLTE for free with a two-year contract (and there was an upgrade available on our family plan). So whatever; $30/month for 4G worth of data, which I'll never use up, and $10/month for the insurance. I can live with that. But don't ask if I'm sitting in the living room playing games on it. If I'm playing games in the house, it's on the freakin' TV. ;)
1/14/2012 Ben Dutka
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PasteNuggs
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:15:55 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 11:17:13 PM
Beamboom
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 12:55:40 PM
Neo_Aeon666
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 2:43:20 PM
Tablets are another thing though but I'd rather have a laptop. New slim and slick asus laptops are pretty neat and pretty much the same price an Ipad 2 64gb is... But you get to do much more. Tablets are for PC newbs who don't want to bother learning how to use one. Pretty much sums it up... Ain't really a bad thing but I don't think your mom will ever play real games on a tablet. She doesn't care. Much like 80% of the tablet users. They use it to check mails... Read the online news... And show pictures to their family.
Leave gaming to the real deal: Gaming handhelds.
PS: I am part of the market and I'll never buy a phone or tablet for games. And the phone and market you are talking about mostly do not give a crap about games. They buy it for it's main fonction: phone. Or for the tablet: Pc extension. I am sure most gamers feel the same way. It's the same as what happened with the Wii. Casuals are getting into it and falsify the numbers. Lots of Wiis out there but I bet there is much less *real* gamers on em than on PS3 or Xbox. Mostly casuals who want to exercise XD. Just like phones... Mostly casuals who *angry bird* their free time. (Gotta say though these days I see alot of fruit ninja in the subway too. lol)
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Beamboom
Monday, January 16, 2012 @ 11:08:20 AM
I'm sorry to be the messenger of bad news here but no matter where your heart belongs: Do *not* underestimate the iOs and Android based platforms. That is a huge mistake.
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PasteNuggs
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 9:54:27 PM
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As for the Vita. I'm not to worried. I think it will pick up in Japan once it gets some jrpgs on it. I know I will be getting it day 1 or shortly after. I got a nice surprise in my mail today. I had an escrow surplus so I may just go preorder it this week
PGU: I finished Ace Combat this week and now I'm on stage six of Catherine and it just got a lot harder. I'm loving the game though. The controls are little touchy sometimes though. After that I think ill dig into Alice: Madness Returns or go back to Mortal Kombat and finish that.
PasteNuggs
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:13:41 PM
La_Bete12
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:07:27 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:32:29 PM
La_Bete12
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:36:59 PM
Temjin001
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:19:09 PM
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ANyway, aside from those two demos I squeezed in, I've played practically nothing. I'm just so busy with school and stuff.
hellish_devil
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:31:13 PM
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If anybody knows what can I do I'd really appreciate any suggestion.
Temjin001
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:56:53 PM
Jawknee
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 1:38:29 AM
bigrailer19
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 4:16:44 AM
Theres probably some YouTube videos out there or try googling a quick fix.
Edit: I googled PS3 laser repair and a good step by step video came up. I watched It and it is fairly easy, and only take about 10 min. Also found some other websites and forums saying they fixed it without getting a new laser but I didn't look into those, because I don't know how reliable that is or would be.
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Excelsior1
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 5:05:08 AM
It does sound like a potential laser problem BUT I ran into the exact same problem on one 60gb PS3's...I bought GE lens cleaning disc at by local video store and used it. IT WORKED!!! So there is some hope.
Now I did have a Blu ray laser failure on another 60gb machine and nothing could help it.
The blu ray laser failure happened to my Sony refurb unit they sent back to me approx 7 months after I sent my first 60bg off for repairs. I did not even get a year out of the Sony refurb!!! :(
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hellish_devil
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 9:24:37 AM
And this sucks because it happened just after christmas and black friday and all the sales time.
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dmiitrie
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 10:38:53 PM
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As long as devs do what Hitman is apparently doing and keeps the original gameplay at the center, I don't mind genres bending a bit. More options are rarely a bad thing.
As for the Vita, I'm also not buying Sony's claim that you can't tell anything from the lackluster Japanese launch. As Ben pointed out, the Japanese market is much more enthusiastic about portable consoles than the US market is. And if that market wasn't able to support the Vita as much as expected, I doubt other markets will be able to.
PGU: I got distracted from MGS3 and am currently playing RDR. I've been on a western kick lately, watching Tombstone, True Grit, and Lonesome Dove in the past week and this game has fit in wonderfully. Can't believe I waited so long to play this one.
Temjin001
Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 11:00:21 PM
Warrior Poet
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 12:48:07 AM
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Besides that, most genre-benders I've played have this dichotomy between both of their genres and the gameplay feels thrown together, neither side really fitting the other. They also add nothing new to gaming since they're combining two existing ideas.
It's when they incorporate elements from other genres but know what they are and accomplish what they want - that's impressive. Sly 2 is a great example of that. Full of well-executed ideas as well as originality and creativity all over the place.
556pineapple
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 2:38:03 AM
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Speaking of genre blending, Metal Gear Solid, and running and gunning...
I'm playing Peace Walker now for the first time, and I'm enjoying it so far, especially the team and weapon-developing elements. They remind me a bit of RTSs in a way. But did anyone else notice that the game seems pretty... well, easy? At least compared to the main series? I bring this up because I was trying to show a friend the comic book style cut scenes by breezing through a level. Whenever I did that in any of the other games, I always got spotted, and in this one, I never raised the alert level once. Granted I'm still within the first three hours, so I imagine it will be getting harder, but in MGS3, (which I just finished for the 3rd time,) there is no way I could have gotten away with it, even so early. I'm still enjoying it, but it doesn't feel all that important to really be sneaky...
Excelsior1
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 6:10:52 AM
Excelsior1
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 4:42:51 AM
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The Vita had a good launch and sold 320,000 consoles in 2 days. There was every reason to believe that the Vita was going to sell 200,000 consoles in its second full week(analysts were predicting that). Then, something happened. It only sells 72k in its second week, and then follows that up with 43k in its third week. That is a huge drop off. Way worse than the drop off the 3DS went through, and that drop off had Nintendo scrambling to right the ship.
I have wondered about the Vita's launch line up of games. Does it really have a true system seller for Japan? It has a large and diverse line up, but I'm not sure how strong it is. Hot Shots Golf was the Vita's best seller by far...that's going up against Monster Hunter on the 3DS. Not exactly a fair fight.
There has to be an explanation for the drop off in sales. It's either the Vita's price point, or its games.
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SmokeyPSD
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 5:07:42 AM
Excelsior1
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 8:36:57 AM
I have said this before but I have experienced a severe case of deja vu when reading Vita headlines. Late out of the gate vs a major competitor. Check. Huge decline in sales after intitial launch. Check. Negative headlines surrounding the product and rumblings that a price cut may be necessary. Doublecheck. This feels strangely familar somehow. I know it's still early but like World said above me in this thread... if you can't sell a handheld to the Japanese you are in big trouble.
Underdog15
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 7:33:10 AM
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Look at Heavy Rain, the first in "Interactive Drama".
As for too much option, yes it's possible. I wholeheartedly believe that NEW ip's should blend genres and make their own identity from what they think works. However, well established franchises need to stick to the genre they are in. I say this because of the criticism FFXIII received (and 10 points lower on metacritic than FF's should be getting), Front Mission:Evolved, Resident Evil 5, and more.
Well established franchises try to branch out, and wha'd'ya know... it gets heckled and isn't the same success it's predecessors were.
People WANT that consistency. But they want new as well. Which is why new ip's that create new genres, like Heavy Rain, and games that blend genres, like Mass Effect, should be the ones to do so. They are the successful ones because they've created their own identity. Old franchises that suffer an identity crisis.... do not.
I believe gaming should be diverse enough that there are LOTS of genres and LOTS of games everywhere between those genres. Then everyone benefits, and the industry will grow in both relevance and creativity.
SmokeyPSD
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 7:55:02 AM
Excelsior1
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 3:42:28 PM
bigrailer19
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 8:34:18 PM
"RE5 is great example of a game straying too far from gamer's expectations in an attempt to blend genres"
Same could be said for FF13 as well. Thing is both were great games. Well I havnt played FF13, but I've heard enough about it. But they just wernt good sequels in the franchise.
There's been a lot of that this gen. Socom has gone completely away from the stealth focused mp to try and be more like an FPS. That's my biggest let down this generation. At this point I just want Socom 2 HD.
Beamboom
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 10:03:55 AM
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There you chose your playstyle as you go, with the skills you invest in. Like me who invested in sneaking abilities (and thus opted to NOT become a shooter specialist), there was no way whatsoever I could survive a gun fight. To me, Deus Ex became a 100% stealth game. A buddy of mine chose the 100% confrontal route (health/dodge/gun skills etc), so to him this became a shooter.
That's how they should do it I think, that's player freedom without being too generic. You shape your own game the way you want it to be - with the restrictions that follows with such a choice.
SubjectiveTruth
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 12:03:07 PM
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Many may disagree but I believe that Splinter Cell Conviction actually did this fairly well, or at least made the first step in a good direction. Keep the hunter game mode in mind while reading this because that's what I have in mind. When played on easy the game is too easy and run-and-gun works very well, also the mark and execute function really takes away a lot of fun. Now if you play the game on realistic with gadgets turned off (and maybe pistols only turned on) you'll find that running and gunning becomes much harder. Also the lack of the goggles, which were overpowered IMO makes for a challenge. You really have to watch the proximity of enemies you kill because they will hear silenced shots and takedowns. I really like playing this game mode and I find it a great blend of action and stealth. If anyone wants to play it add me on xbox live I'm DJ Downy.
I think the days of purely stealth games like the original splinter cell games are over, the majority of people just don't have the patience for it anymore. Even myself, I find that I like a little bit of action thrown in with my stealth, I just hope it doesn't go too far. I think the perfect mixture is that stealth is the more fun, strategic way to play and having to run and gun should be a sort of punishment that is a pain in the ass that you try to avoid by being stealthy but it should not just be "game over" if you get spotted.
I'm really excited for Absolution, been a fan since Contracts and I loved Blood Money. The Hitman series is in my top 10 favorites.
Ben,
Glad to hear you've joined "the smart phone revolution". I bet it wont be long before you find yourself playing jet pack joyride or something similar at home. I've heard there are some great RPGs for the mobile devices, I'm not a fan of the genre but you clearly are. The thing with playing these games at home is that you find yourself on a commercial break and you start playing and end up missing your show because you get so into it. Give it a chance it might take you by surprise. I hope to hear in a future week in review if you find anything you like.
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Beamboom
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 12:56:27 PM
SolidFantasy
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 2:35:02 PM
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Was in Italy for a little while where the internet is scarce. For some reason this site was blocked the whole time. Thought that was rude. It was nice to catch up on some good articles. I enjoyed reading the end of the awards. Now I'm in the Czech and shortly on my back to Italy. Hopefully there will be internet but I'm not going to hold my breath. Made a little money this week. Might look into a new gaming quality lab top, but if the remote play features on the Vita are as good as they sound I might just go for that instead and get a cheap minimal computer when I need one.
Been play some old school Quake. I really like the style of having to side strafe and back track to stay alive. It's a fresh change from the duck and cover of this gen.
Once I'm done with my book I'll get back into FFIX on my PSP.
I think genre blending is a double edged sword. Hopefully not every developer abandons there game roots.
And I so sorely want the Vita to do well. I think the vita is a good example of the benefits of not genre blending. It specializes in hand held gaming. Not thousands of apps, phone calls, and half baked games like the smart phones.
Beamboom
Monday, January 16, 2012 @ 3:48:55 AM
DjEezzy
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 @ 12:42:07 PM
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Asura's wrath was cool but the qte's really kind of made it boring. I hate to say that because i really want to love this game, being an action game fan. I guess we'll see when it actually drops. I'm just hoping that the qte's don't get in the way of owning. LOL.

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WorldEndsWithMe
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Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 9:46:30 PM
It kills the fun of playing a game in a genre if it is too flexible, unless it's something like Skyrim. Genre blending has killed so many franchises this gen.
I'm still gonna get FFXIII-2, it may not be what I want but it resembles a JRPG and it should be pretty good. I just hope my CC company hurries up with that Amazon gift card I exchanged my points for.
No offense to Vita fans but I think dedicated handhelds are just about finished now that everyone has their tablets and smart phones. I hate touchscreen tech for games but I guess the current market doesn't.