What Classic Game Most Deserves A Remake?
View Large ImageRemakes or basic high-definition updates can be awfully popular, especially when a classic, even timeless title is involved.
So what game do you believe most deserves a modern upgrade? What game do you think would make that transition best, and would be the most popular among its die-hard fans?
To be honest, I still have to say it's Final Fantasy VII. But, there's a huge caveat to that belief, and it's this- I'd want it done a certain way. The game must remain intact from start to finish; if Square Enix wanted to toss in a few extra scenes here and there, fine. But don't subtract and for the love of Christ, don't touch the battle system. I remain on the fence about the addition of voice actors, although I suppose they'd have to be inevitable for a true modern remake.
Supposedly, we'll get Final Fantasy X HD at some point and I loved FFX, so I'd be all over that. But FFVII has this almost mystical aura surrounding it; perhaps it's partly due to a dozen years of that remake rumor circulating but whatever the reason, I'm pretty convinced a FFVII remake would be gigantic. But there are other candidates out there, don't you think? Is there another Final Fantasy you'd like to see remade? Or what about the original Metal Gear Solid? Maybe something a little less obvious, like Dino Crisis or Gauntlet or something?
1/11/2013 Ben Dutka
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ethird1
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:09:52 AM
End of Line.
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 9:28:03 AM
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Riku994
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 10:10:21 AM
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Monday, January 14, 2013 @ 9:30:15 AM
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Siris86
Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 10:29:04 PM
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firesoul453
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:11:29 AM
I guess they sorta remade it but still..
I would also love a remake of Donkey Kong 64 however microsoft ruined a chance of that happening....
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Knightzane
Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 10:47:53 PM
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Cloud X Blue
Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 10:54:50 PM
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Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 11:01:11 PM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 7:19:23 AM
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Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 12:53:48 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 11:08:37 PM
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Nas Is Like
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:07:51 PM
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Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 11:25:46 PM
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Friday, January 11, 2013 @ 11:35:04 PM
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Draguss
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:00:34 AM
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Unfortunately, I'm fairly certain nobody at Sony even remembers it ever existed...
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BikerSaint
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:02:58 AM
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(also add in DE:Invisible Wars for the PS3).
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Warrior Poet
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:06:41 AM
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A game that 'needs' a remake is a game whose gameplay should be expanded. If it's being remade for its aesthetics, shouldn't that add something new? If you can only imitate the old way without adding anything, it shouldn't be remade in the first place.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:33:05 AM
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:30:56 AM
It definitely adds to the experience by a huge huge amount. Imagine what a proper remake would do...
Remember those FMV's in Dirge of Cerberus that showed all the characters? awesome.
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Ultimadesires
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 5:12:16 AM
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:15:21 PM
But on midi music? Are you kidding me? I would take a well conducted orchestra for added depth any day. It's the same music. I spent a few hours replacing all the music files on my PC version with new music, and it's SO SO SO satisfying with the new music. I also found someone's updated SFX. Really nicely done.
Lastly, it technically wasn't midi music. Midi music is used in the original PC version, and it was crap. There's a weird psx version of midi that is much more advanced. That's what is used. If I find the official name for it, I'll re post here.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:46:56 PM
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ethird1
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:09:00 AM
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I would much rather play a fast moving FF7 mmorpg, myself. That or a complete remake of FF7 on a new system.
EXPLOOOOOOOOOSIONS!!!!!
End of Line.
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ryu
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:33:50 AM
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Teddie9
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:40:01 PM
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 8:39:03 PM
As for adding to the story, I think it does a tremendous amount for Cloud.
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BTNwarrior
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:44:32 AM
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Solid Fantasy
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:25:38 AM
Metal Gear 2 really foreshadowed Metal Gear Solid, even though they were a whole generation or two apart.
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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:16:34 PM
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Coffeya
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:59:13 AM
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Romancing SaGa 2 or Saga Frontier. The remake for romancing saga was well done (aka minstrel song).
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 9:32:59 AM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:38:03 AM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:51:39 AM
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Solid Fantasy
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:52:50 AM
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Also the original 8 bit Legend of Zelda would be cool to see!
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Gordo
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:00:26 AM
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The games of today are what they are due to decades of incremental improvements. Trying to go back to some arbitrary point in time to transport that gameplay wholesale to the future seems a little futile.
Like going to a school reunion and seeing your sweetheart as an old divorced mother of three. Some things are best left in the past.
Give me fresh ideas and the future any day instead of the ossified remnants of a simpler age.
I honestly can't think of a previous generation game that hasn't got a better current generation equivalent.
Can anyone?
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 10:53:53 AM
Can anyone?"
Um, yeah. Final Fantasy springs to mind.
I'm sorry, but the idea that all games in the past are inferior to all games today just because they were "simpler" is downright ludicrous.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:47:50 PM
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Gordo
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:54:16 PM
jRPGs have evolved this generation into wRPGs (as seen by the massive sales for wRPGs and the dwindling niche sales for jRPGs).
IMHO anyway!
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 4:32:44 PM
World has a point, most games play themselves now.
I think FF7 has more content that each one of those games that you listed, it easily beats ME3 and Fallout 3, I haven't played skyrim so I couldnt tell you.
I think most games this generation are inferior. For example I beat super mario world on the SNES 3 times in the last month just for fun because it is that good to me. Trying to speed run it while getting 96* rating.
Anyway yeah just opinions though :D
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:01:50 AM
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Ultimadesires
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 5:06:52 AM
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 10:34:31 AM
One thing's for sure, VI isn't plagued with retarded plotholes like VII is.
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:22:46 PM
I like how in FFVI, the villain is based on the philosophy of Kafka (Hence the name Kefka). Makes for a very interesting take on what maddness is and the idea of true enlightenment. That was well done as a commentary on a certain philosophy. However, as a character, Sephiroth is better. He is both believable, frightening, and yeah... you REALLY hate him. Don't forget, much of the greater story of FFVII was written before the game was made and was fleshed out after it's release. He was a good guy. A friend of Zack's. And discoveries between him and other firsts (crisis core actually went ahead and decided who those firsts were in Angeal and Genesis) led him to be suspect of who he is and how he is so strong. Then a series of ill-timed events convinces him of something that is not true. The game doesn't describe the influence Jenova cells had on his mind when he came into contact with Jenova, unfortunately, hence the narrative conflicts or why things seem unexplained in the game, but that is the intended interpretation.
Anyways, I would like a VI remake for PSP, for example. Would be nice. But I was happy with the sprite upgrades to Anthology.
Lastly, Hynad, I resent your use of the word "retarded" as an insult. (Ben does it too, so it's hard to really get upset about it here... and he's supposed to be a professional writer.) And what do you mean by plot holes? Are you sure you aren't just referring to unexplained pieces of story or conflicts in the narrative? I don't think you know what the difference between a plot and a story is. There aren't really any plot holes, although there are conflicts in the narrative, most of which can be blamed on the translation.
Certainly, in FFVII, translation is to blame for a lot of character inconsistencies in dialogue. "Ok everyone.... let's mosey!" lmao
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:49:47 PM
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:50:15 PM
If you haven't heard of the plot holes in FF VII (that's taking the original game only, not the revisionist sequels and prequels) after all those years spent on the internet, then I really feel sorry for you.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:00:22 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:04:00 PM
I'm well aware of the plot holes in FFVII. I'm well aware that EVERY SINGLE GAME in those days had massive plot holes because we really didn't have professional writers involved in the industry. But at least FFVII aspired to a LOT more than the banal, cliched, and utterly predictable story with dialogue an 8-year-old would write that we find in FFVI.
And if you're honestly basing the entire judgment of both games on story alone, than you really shouldn't be acting all high and mighty.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:18:46 PM
News flash Ben. FF VII had the same premise as VI. With an added pseudo ecologist message thrown in. And indeed, the convenient "I was lying all along" plot point. Like the "waking up to realize one was just dreaming" one that every literature teachers tell their students to steer clear of as much as possible...
The only part of the story that really stands out as an achievement is Aeris's fate. For that, bravo Squaresoft!
As for the "immature writing" you mention when talking about VI, I think it's funny of you to dismiss the game on this account. Indeed, I realize that around here, FF VII is serious business. FF VI didn't include censored curse words after all... !*&?#$#@ that &*$? pizza!
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And really... FF VII? Complex? Convoluted, ok. But complex?
It's only complex because it's badly told.
[EDIT:] Back then, when the game stood on its own and didn't have sequels and prequels to mess things up, the game was open ended and liked in part for that reason. Did the humans survived at the end? Did the planet make the choice to use them to heal itself? Buggenhagen hinted at that possibility and it was nice to come up with your own conclusions...
Back then, the story appeared to have a deeper meaning. But when you play the game now, with the way they milked it, everything that was remotely "complex" about it is ruined.
In the end, preferences are subjective. I prefer VI over VII. For various reasons. There's no point in trying to convince each other that the right answer is the game we favour. I could explain the reasons why VII failed to me, but that wouldn't make you change your mind. You'd still condemn me for not praising something you worship.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:47:34 PM
Problem is, they would have to fix and clean the writing while making sure the game can stand on its own the same way the original did.
Sequels and prequels to it released so far being optional in a "fanfic" kind of way. Because as far as I'm concerned, that's what they are. Fanfics, and "what if" stories.
The original didn't need sequels or prequels. It needed better writing, while keeping its open-ended nature.
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Geobaldi
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 12:45:43 AM
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Bevel
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 1:01:09 PM
Ben this is 4chan level childishness. If someone likes FFVI more than FFVII then that's fine isn't it?
Final Fantasy VI is a well loved title in the series and I think the opera scene would look great in modern 3D. Please don't lower the level of the conversation by resorting to attacks.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 8:50:07 PM
Without going into a tailspin explanation, all I'll say is that plot holes force the narrative to reach the ending without cause in many ways. FFVII does not do that. It constantly stays the course.
Narrative holes are in passing dialogue that might contradict itself in explanation, only. But it does not alter the course of the plot. FFVII admittedly does that, as I said before, mostly through poorly translated and insufficiently built on ideas. A lot of stuff gets missed in translation. Remarkably so. Those are related to "Story". Not plot.
The fact that future installments can seal up narrative holes is proof the plot was not hurt. Plot, in essence, is sequence of cause-and-effect events that are guided by the story. A narrative is a part of the story, but it is not the same as the plot. You can have holes in one, but not the other. Plot is, in essence, the foundation of a production. A table of contents, if you will. (Although much more than that.) People confuse plot holes with narrative miscues all the time.
Me pointing that out isn't a shot at you. It's an objective point that holds water in proving FFVII does not have plot holes.
I'm well aware of the errors made in the narrative. Please don't feel sorry for me. I'm both extremely familiar with the title in question (beat it every 2 years since release, have read all the literary translations available on the web, seen the movies and short films, and played all sequels/prequel) and well educated in how to break down a visual presentation.
I was not intending to insult you. The whole reason I said, "Most people make that mistake" was a way to buffer your inevitable feelings that come with making such an error in a public forum.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:33:37 PM
Otherwise, Hynad... buddy. Why do you think I'm coming after you? I didn't even DO anything this time. lol
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Bevel
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:40:23 PM
I see one such plot hole in FF:VII as Sephiroth's sudden about-face to evil after he learns that the source of his power is Jenova cells. It would have been more plausible had it been made clear that Sephiroth was being manipulated directly by Jenova without knowing it, but he consciously chose to throw away his friends and career in order to join jenova.
It's a trope in many anime where the character learns that their destiny was fated somehow, or predetermined, by events beyond their control and subsiquently loses the motivation to 'fight the good fight'. It seems clear to me that this is what the writers of FF:VII intended since so much of the rest of the cast follow anime tropes.
There is a clear lack of motivation for sephiroth to turn evil, barring the direct control of Jenova cells, and the whole scene in the library where Sephiroth learns his history directly contradicts the idea that he's being controlled.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:46:55 PM
That isn't a plot hole, but who cares what it is, really. We know there's a hole in how it's explained to us. (that's narrative) But again, we all know there's a hole or unexplained thing or whatever. (We are honestly just arguing semantics now) The only reason I hate people calling it a plot hole, is because when talking to people who think video games are not art or a joke or something for kids... it bugs me when people tell them it's full of plot holes when that's not quite true. But I admit, that's just an issue I should get over. haha
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Bevel
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:55:04 PM
Final Fantasy is about light warriors fighting evil and it doesn't need to be complicated. I think the only thing dragging Final Fantasy:VIIs story down is that they tried to add nuance where it wasn't necessary.
I think video games are an art form, anyone who argues otherwise has to explain how all the actual art, music, writing and acting that go in to games are invalid.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 11:12:53 PM
lol that doesn't explain it very fully. There are very long critiques out there of that philosophy and it's application to Kefka. It's quite ingenious, and part of the reason I think kefka is actually the TRUE main character of FFVI.
EDIT: FYI, there's a very fun read of a book called "Philosophy of Final Fantasy". A lot of it is silly, but it's still fun to read. But the Kefka thing is explained in full, and is very good. Each chapter is written by a different person. Most of it's authors are extremely well educated people (ph.d.'s, for example). Well worth the read!!
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Ultimadesires
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 5:05:32 AM
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PSN French
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:38:54 AM
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___________
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:48:01 AM
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said it once, twice, a billion times and ill say it again.
remake the first 5 games, 1,2,3,CTR, and bash in glorious HD and ill be set for life dont need nothing else!
made me sh*t my pants and scream like a school girl when i saw the original was being remade in cry engine 3.
than saw it canceled, and cried like a school girl for weeks!
:(
spyro would be nice too, would suit the more advanced technology quite well due to its more open wide nature.
the looney tunes games would be nice too, only reason ive kept my PSP is so i can play bugs and taz time busters whenever im out.
pandemonium would be nice too.
makes me wonder what a new game would be like.
id be a dream come true if crystal decided to go back once the tomb raider reboot was completed.
oh and GEX, cant forget that lovable lizard!
O, and ape escape.
subsequently speaking what the hells happening with that!?
$ony actually annonced 2 new ape escape games at E3 a few years ago.
one was the crappy move game which released, but they announced a proper full fledged sequel.
wonder what ever happened to that.
hopefully it was put on the back burner as a ps4 launch title.......
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gunblademaster
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:57:31 AM
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-_-
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Ultimadesires
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Underdog15
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Ultimadesires
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 5:04:37 AM
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I look upon the process of a remake to see what game wasn't such a success first time around and could turn out better with the opportunity or something which is terribly dated and I dont just mean graphics. I personally thing the PS1 series 'Fear Effect' would be a good one to bring back and continue, originally there was going to be a third one but it was cut early in production. The game runs on FMV's all the way through but it looks pretty bad by todays standards, thought it did offer a strong cinematic experience. The game also had nasty tank controls, I don't usually mind them in older games, but it was notably slow for this game. With a remake they could enhance the lovely cyber-punk world they created and really make it into something... just no QTE's please :P
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:34:28 PM
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Gordo
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 4:16:03 PM
I think we are missing adult games with a dark edge this generation.
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fatelementality
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 8:53:49 AM
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Geobaldi
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 1:38:49 AM
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 9:37:44 AM
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But remake wise I would like The legend of Dragoon, or Tenchu 2. If they remade tenchu 2 with remastered controls like they had in Tenchu 3: wrath of heaven I would be in heaven....no pun intended.
So I would have to say Tenchu 2 remade on a current engine with the controls of Tenchu 3 :) That would be the shizam.
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 12:35:48 PM
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Exceptions, of course, to the people that would still like an FFVII remake alright, but might prefer another FF that they favor more highly for personal reasons.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:02:48 PM
As if nobody is allowed to NOT masturbate to VII. ¬_¬
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:05:15 PM
P.S. And don't pretend to be all insulted after saying everyone who downvoted you started playing games with FFVII. I didn't. And I seriously doubt anyone else here did, either.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:20:10 PM
Sorry, sorry... I'll go masturbate to VII so I can be a part of the accepted group.
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Knightzane
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:45:06 PM
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 4:04:43 PM
I know, that's quite the argument there. But what can I say. -__-
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:26:13 PM
That being said even though it was my first it was NOT my favourite. Final Fantasy 9 is the best in the series in my OPINION, both in gameplay, story and graphics.
I think it is a little closed minded as well for underdog to say that the only reason you would not say FF7 is the best is if you are trying to stand out or be different.
It's like people who say I only hate CoD for the sake of hating it, or that I'm on some sort of bandwagon. Its counter intuitive to a discussion and makes it so someone who does have a different opinion is always wrong. They are either being defensive, a "hipster" or something else.
Personally I think out of the PSX final fantasy 7 is the weakest, then 8 then 9. But you can't argue opinions, I'm not going to tell you your stupid because you don't like the same final fantasy I do. But that is kind of what underdog is saying. Now he might have been trolling for fun, but if he is serious good lord, there are a lot of people who don't like FF7 for legitimate reasons.
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Clamedeus
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:41:06 PM
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 7:21:35 PM
Underdog15 Thursday, April 14, 2011 @ 1:57:34PM
"Sweet. I loved this game. Excellent story and tremendous artistry into the setting, symbolisms, music, and more.
This is a game that was held back by the tech of the time. There is so much wealth of ingenuity that went into the story and artistry of this.
I hope it comes to NA. It's a must buy for me if it does.
I actually understand exactly why people value this game over FFVII. I don't necessarilly agree, especially now that FFVII has a much fuller story to the whole collection, but I do understand where people are coming from."
Yeah. Who said anything about the need to feel different? Seems like you're one who just argues for arguing sake.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 10:03:12 PM
First, you have no idea who down-voted you. So accusing others of doing it is dumb because you can't possibly know. For the record, I never vote on anyone's posts.
Second, you're the only one insulting everyone else by assuming you're getting "jumped on" for liking FFVI more than FFVII. Nobody did any such thing. Anybody who responded to you did so in a civil, detailed fashion. I said the programmers wrote the script for FFVI because they did; it wasn't a personal insult. And yet, you're running around pretending you're being persecuted against, when the only reason people are getting annoyed is because you're acting like a DICK to them.
Third, I know writing. I know plot creation and character development. I dare say I know it a great deal better than you, although I can't guarantee that as I don't know you. Let's just say my experience in such disciplines is usually more than others because it's both a passion and a moderate talent of mine.
Therefore, I can say without any shadow of a doubt, OPINION ASIDE, that your assessment of FFVII's story is biased bullsh**. You're not giving it any credit for anything while at the same time trying to convince yourself that the amateur story told in FFVI is somehow superior because...well, just because it's simpler and something about milking or some such crap, as if FFVII had anything to do with "milking."
FFVII had plot holes. I admitted that as did just about everyone else. What it attempted, on the other hand, is to tell a story that reaches a lot further than that of the plot in FFVI, which was rudimentary at best. It screwed up in some ways. We get that. But the writers aspired to a great deal more, whether you like it or not. And you have yet to address a single gameplay point in your arguments and last I checked, gameplay remains the primary factor in this hobby of interactive entertainment. I'd just LOVE to hear how the gameplay in FFVI was better than that of FFVII. Although I wouldn't advise it, because me coming back with the diversity of Materia combined with a number of other elements would make you look rather silly.
Take everything into account that one would for a review. Doing so makes a comparison between FFVI and FFVII laughable and even the DEVELOPERS will say this. But of course, you know more than them, more than us, and you're just being persecuted against because you don't agree with us. No, it's not that you don't agree, it's that you sound like a complete ass when you disagree, and what you're saying ISN'T subjective. You're analyzing a story. And doing a really, really piss-poor job of it on both fronts because you're obviously predisposed to hating FFVII.
I'm done here.
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Hynad
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 10:31:34 PM
Funny how you say that I pretend to know more than them, although I never once even remotely implied that, while putting words into their mouths the sentence just before.
I currently am on my way out and can't give you a longer reply for now. But let me just point out that you're trying really bad to make your opinion as fact. And you find the nerves to call ME biased in the process. That's quite rich.
You're overly sensitive and defensive when people don't see eye to eye with you. You reply in really bad ad hominem manners to anyone who doesn't agree with you views. I've getten used to it a little overtime, but as you grow older, I would think you'd accept people won't always share your views on everything. And that they're not any more wrong for it.
But sure! It's all my fault. It's easier for you to think that anyway. ^^,
Interestingly enough, I never once said or implied that I hate FF VII.
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xenris
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:33:46 AM
Also on a side note, Ben, Underdog kind of started this. If saying that people who don't think FF7 is the best in the series are essentially pretentious, or hipsters or whatever ISNT in some way trying to spark an argument I don't know what is. And while personally it didn't insult me, very little does, it is an insulting statement and I can see how that would insult people.
I honestly didn't see Hynad being a dick at all especially in this thread. He simply replied to underdogs closed minded, semi insulting statement that may or may not have been directed at him. Nothing he said was him being a dick, he only disagreed with the people saying FF7 was best. Likewise saying that a complex story with bad dialogue is objectively worse is kind of lame. Because some people actually LIKE simple stories about knights saving princesses or what have you.
Its sad because you are all gamers and JRPG fans, having a pissing contest on which Final Fantasy is best. It's like arguing that the colour red is better than the colour green and your stupid for thinking otherwise.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 8:53:56 PM
And yes, Hynad... downvoting because you disagree with someone is exactly what the button is for. If you guide your mouse over it, it says, "disagree". :p
Also, not sure what you're proving there. You are reinforcing the things I've said. You should also quote me when I said this: (In this thread in the same one you replied to, by the way.)
"Exceptions, of course, to the people that would still like an FFVII remake alright, but might prefer another FF that they favor more highly for personal reasons."
Fortunately for me, I'm incredibly consistent in the things I say.
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@Xenris
Please don't accuse me of things that are not true. Not once did I say everyone should like the same FF as me the most. Not once. In fact, if you look at what I said in this thread and even in the post Hynad quoted, I regularly point out that people may prefer another one. What I said is that true FF fans would want an FFVII remake. In the very same breath, I said they might prefer another one. But that shouldn't change the fact that true FF fans would still be happy with a VII remake.
Take me for example... I would prefer an FFVII remake above all. (obviously) yet, I'm still excited at the idea of an FFX remastering. i would also be happy to get any other FF, including VI, which I have, as Hynad graciously pointed out in a failed attempt to be a very mean and nasty person, observed that i can understand what people see in it.
If Hynad had dug more, he would have found many other occasions I have praised FFVI. I remember a long time ago fervently defending the game, writing (surprise surprise) long-winded explanations of each character's ties to professionally studied philosophies including that of Kafka (which the character Kefka is based on). How many "fans" knew that? :p
I do kind of resent what you say in your post because it isn't true at all. Please re-read what I've said without whatever tint is in your glasses, Xenris. I've been reasonable, objective, well spoken, opinionated (of course), and fair. Above all else.... very very fair. I also didn't directly insult anyone on purpose. And I think that's clear. I re-read everything I said just to be sure, and I can honestly find nothing that would have offended me.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:13:14 PM
Where did all those masturbation comments come from? 0.o
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xenris
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:35:09 PM
How is that sentence to be interpreted?
You say in the sentence that people who disagree are only doing so because they like to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing(which is the stupidest statement I consistently see on the internet), or that they think they are enlightened, which sounds like you calling those people pretentious.
Then right after that you say the Exceptions being people who who like another FF remake for more personal reason....the two paragraphs seem to contradict each other, you should have chosen better wording.
You have nothing to resent, I hardly said anything about you, only that your comment in this reply chain is argumentative, which in my opinion it is.
My post was merely saying that everyone is allowed to have their own favourite Final Fantasy and neither is better than the other. It is ALL subjective.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:37:04 PM
But thanks for being so mean about it. :)
@Xenris
It's meant to be interpreted exactly as it is written in context with the rest of the message, of course. Yes. I do believe that people who simply say "don't do it"... well... if they don't want it... why do they care, you know? I can understand a fear for how SE might handle it. Heck, I have the same fear. But FFVII was amazing. And to perfect what it originally tried to achieve given the tech at the time... well, it would be awesome. Tie that in with the fact it could be a potential good investment for SE... I say why not?
I've never heard a single good reason, other than the original is good enough. Well... based on what I saw in the PS3 tech demo... I would love that. lol. So yeah. why not want it? And when SE posts things on twitter asking if people would want one and their site crashes... I get a little more excited about it.
And quite frankly... no. I don't understand how any FF fan would not love to play a remake. BUT, I do understand why they would want a different one, too. What is unfair about that?
And no. I still don't think such an honest observation not directed at anyone should be insulting. And no, I don't think I was offensive. ESPECIALLY prior to that post, which is where I was met with most of the hostility. -AND- I still don't get why Hynad quoted me for any other purpose than to prove my own consistency.
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Bevel
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:43:54 PM
The part which Xenris is probably referring to is the part where you say that:
"Everyone else who disagrees are the types of people who enjoy being the 5% that love to disagree for the sake of feeling different or that they've achieved some form of gaming enlightenment the masses are incapable of understanding."
In short, you're saying that anyone who wouldn't rather see FFVII remade is a conceited hipster. If you are trying to tell us that you wouldn't find it insulting to have your views patronized as attention-seeking behavior then you're lying.
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xenris
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 9:50:45 PM
Why are you bringing SE into this? This isn't about financing or anything like that, this is just a hypothetical what remake would you like more and you tried to say that to the true fans of final fantasy FF7 is the obvious choice otherwise your a conceited hipsters, as Bevel so eloquently put it.
As for why not want it? Well, I personally like FF9 the most, and would love to see that game come to life with better graphics and voice acting. FF9 sold well enough for it not to be a huge risk and it is one I would personally rather see remade. I would of course play an HD FF7 but that isn't the one I would want to see remade.
See I can edit too.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:16:45 PM
Why is that so hard to understand? You don't see me going around to fans of other games or genres who want a sequel or whatever game going, "no dear lord don't make that game all these people want!"
It's just so strange to me. So yeah, I stand by what I say.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:22:57 PM
Edit button is there for a reason. :p
Nothing wrong with that. FFIX is a fine game. I still remember how impressed people were with seeing Zidane's breath in cold weather. lol I actually liked him much better than Squall and Cloud. lol he could be a buddy of mine. The other two... not so much. haha
And yes. For FF fans, as World said earlier, FFVII is the obvious choice. But for more reasons than personal preference. And as I said, those personal preferences are good justifications for those that disagree. But when you weigh all the reasons, I do believe FFVII is the right choice... and yes... those reasons include it's reception as I said, and World said.
Again, what I said has merit. And deep down, I think you know it to be the best choice, even if you would prefer FFIX. And yes, reasons include those outside artistic notion. So bringing SE into the discussion has merit. Not about which one is best artistically, sure. But certainly as to which one makes the most sense to redo.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:26:14 PM
"FFVII is the better choice over VI because it has a larger appeal and fanbase to support what would be an immensely expensive development process.
It couldn't move CoD numbers but ironically it would easily outsell all 3 FFXIII games across both consoles even if it was PS exclusive. "
This is a valid point worth considering. So yes. Bringing SE into the debate makes sense. As for personal preferences for which FF they would ENJOY the most? I never once criticized that.
EDIT: (put that in there for Xenris ;p) Does no one else see how awesome that was the Hynad quoted me? I'm just tickled about it. had to say it again. lol
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Bevel
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:26:20 PM
I was just addressing the wording in your earlier post which was diminutive towards people who disagree with you. Subsequently you said you didn't see how your post could be viewed as insulting by those people who disagree, and I pointed out your hypocrisy.
To be honest the more remakes of Final Fantasies the better. I don't much care for Lightning.
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xenris
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:45:18 PM
Even if this was something I personally had a choice over and square enix said Xenris pick an FF to remake I would go with FF9. While FF7 might have more wide appeal because it taps into the emo amnesia filled lone soldier boy within us all(thats a joke don't take is seriously), I still think FF9 would make a better remake.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:57:00 PM
@Xenris
That's fine about FFIX being a better remake, in your opinion. You likely have very good personal reasons, attachments, etc to justify that. You said FFVII had more widespread appeal, and that's a very good reason as to why it might be a choice worth considering.
Also, I'm not insulted by the emo thing. lol There's actually some truth to it. haha. Most people have a darker side they are depressed about and constantly feel like retreating away from. At least at some point in their lives. :p (There's an educated argument for almost anything, you know. haha!)
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Nas Is Like
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:08:28 PM
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ulsterscot
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 1:28:31 PM
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Gauntlet is another C64 classic - I think it was Konami
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 2:02:15 PM
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It couldn't move CoD numbers but ironically it would easily outsell all 3 FFXIII games across both consoles even if it was PS exclusive.
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 3:40:18 PM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 4:45:59 PM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:05:03 PM
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:25:58 PM
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:27:02 PM
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Clamedeus
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:32:09 PM
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xenris
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 6:46:50 PM
I would love for a next gen version that had no health bars and played the same. 15$ download would be nice.
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Clamedeus
Saturday, January 12, 2013 @ 7:07:26 PM
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xenris
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 10:34:43 AM
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Clamedeus
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WakkoWarner
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 11:42:32 AM
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Strythe
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 12:06:28 PM
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Crash Bash and Crash Team Racing as well. The Crash Nitro Kart and Tag Team entries weren't as good as the original CTR, that game is still the best Karting game I've ever played. Mod Nation is good fun, but CTR was and is everything a good kart racer should be.
And because it's mandatory that the TimeSplitters saga is mentioned, that game needs to have an HD collection come out. Maybe a fourth installment too.
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GamerO1
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 12:24:36 PM
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Cosmic Fantasy 2
Shining Force I, II, & III
Lunar Series
Sword of Vermilion
Crusader Of Centy
BTW few people know of Cosmic Fantasy 2, but it was a TG16 game, and the game is Fantastic, as are all the mini-games.
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ransomink
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 12:48:12 PM
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-Xenogears (Favorite game; loved the battle system-2nd best system, awesome gears, and a deep story with religious beliefs mixed-in)
-Legend of Dragoon (An engaging battle system that keeps you alert and a decent story. Might need some tweaking though)
-Chrono Trigger (Hmpf, dunno what to say?)
-Grandia (Best battle system, imo, but they have done other entries. None for PS3 though)
-Final Fantasy VI (better characters-FFVII's characters are more memorable but I feel these characters actually portrayed their given roles better-and villain, Kefka is a true villain, nuff said-compared to FFVII, imo)
-Final Fantasy VII (Memorable story and characters, turning point in RPG and gaming bcause of 3d visuals but Square Enix would take 10 years to create a remake anyway)
p.s. I heard someone say Radiate Stories. Great game; personally had a lot of fun with it but I can't suggest a remake. Another was Valkyri Profile; They have done a few more entries of that game-only one for console platform, Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria-but the rest remain on handhelds.
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Underdog15
Monday, January 14, 2013 @ 10:32:58 AM
But yeah. I actually liked xenogears better than any other jrpg that gen. Phenomenal.
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Draven929
Monday, January 14, 2013 @ 4:32:14 AM
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Monday, January 14, 2013 @ 2:40:04 PM
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I'm kind of disappointed that no-one mentions Impossible Mission. Now that was a game!! I seem to remember it making it to the top 10 of every-bodies list for years. I'm pretty sure it held the record for the amount of times it held onto the number 1 spot of all time greatest game? I wonder if it still does? I wonder if I dreamed all this?!!? I remember when the sequel came out and being sooo disappointed. I say that we should lobby Naughty Dog to do a remake of this!
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Riku994
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