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Ben's Week In Review: February 24

So the PlayStation 4 is coming and nobody can seem to talk about anything else. :)

Sony did what they needed to do with the PS4

I know people think I'm criticizing or complaining when I say the new PlayStation shows mostly evidence of a mainstream/casual influence (which is an absolute fact), but I'm merely making an observation. They're expanding beyond the hardcore and niche gaming crowd because they have to; because it'd be financial suicide if they didn't. We were on the verge of the social media, "always connected," and multiplayer explosion when the PS3 came out, and Sony really had to struggle through that launch. This time, they gave us more accessible hardware, which developers obviously love, and a slew of features that are all about enhancing the "user experience," as had been rumored before the system's unveiling.

Do we not recall the information that said the PS4 would be more about "new play options" rather than futuristic specs? Or the leaked bit about the PS4 focusing on "social features?" I'm not saying the PS4 can't satisfy the hardcore crowd, because it doesn't sacrifice anything previous PlayStation platforms had that catered to the hardcore. What I'm saying is that all it added is based on the changing industry, and the fact that the majority of consumers today are casual gamers. That is clearly reflected in what we saw at the PlayStation Meeting. And I'm fine with that. I still want it and Sony simply adapted to the times. So bravo. And again, I'm not necessarily complaining; I'm just stating the obvious.

Anyone else thinking the Xbox 720 will be remarkably similar to the PS4?

After I saw the PS4 announcement, it really did remind more of a Microsoft position, at least in regards to how they approach the gaming consumer. It was more mainstream-oriented, which is precisely how the Xbox has gotten so big in the US. And although we've heard that the new Xbox will be more about connecting to the mobile gaming market (while Sony chose the social media/cloud gaming route), I'm willing to bet the two systems will be awfully similar. Both in terms of specs and features. And that's also the reason I side with some analysts who believe this will be the last generation of consoles. There may be a drastic change after this next generation, in that we might see one universal all-in-one machine that does gaming and just about every other form of entertainment on the planet. At that point, there will be no need for multiple consoles.

So when that analyst said Microsoft needs to bring their "A-Game," I'm not sure that's true. I'm willing to bet Microsoft knew exactly what Sony was going to do, and the two companies are of the same mind right now. The mass market is the mass market. There may be slightly different ways of interpreting it, but the bottom line is that both Sony and Microsoft have to appeal to the same audience. And now, both are very likely on the same page. So don't expect anything too drastically different when the Xbox 720 is revealed, that's all I'm saying.

Personal gaming update

Crysis 3 was really fun but it was disappointing in a way. It's a blast from start to finish, but it did kinda feel like "Crysis Lite," in that it seemed like it was missing something vital...something almost indefinable that the first two entries boasted. It's partly the lack of a significant challenge, partly a bigger emphasis on flash rather than stealth, and partly a more ambitious storyline that falls flat. It's not that the game is bad; I don't give 8s to bad games. That's hardly what I'm saying. But when it comes to Crysis, I think we all expect something more. That's all.

I'd like to maybe finish Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, because that too is a good game and lots of fun. But for whatever reason, I've gravitated back to one of my favorite guilty pleasures from a couple years ago: NBA Jam. The game is precisely what fans of the old-school games wanted, and how often can we say that this generation? March is big, if you weren't already aware: Tomb Raider, God of War: Ascension, and Bioshock Infinite, to name a few... Get ready! :)

2/23/2013 Ben Dutka

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Comments (104 posts)

fatelementality
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 10:17:46 PM
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Heh, just now basically stated the same point you made about the PS4 design on the last article you wrote about it. 100% Agree :)

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Knightzane
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 10:34:13 PM
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Next gen has this feel of war. Its going to end a company. I only hope its not Nintendo. If MS goes after Nintendo's crowd its not going to bode well. As for the 720, i stated my opinion earlier. Don't remember which post it was but yeah. I do see what Ben means though. Kind of awkard saying "Ben" because of that story with the "Ben Drowned" Thats a pretty creepy story.

Haven't played much for myself lately. Been to busy. I have been re-playing F.E.A.R 1 though and man. Why can't ALL horror games be like it? I really hope they bring fear 4 to the ps4 and return to that epicness. I love all of the fear games bu fear1 has this appeal that no other horror game has given me. The thought of being killed by enemy soldiers, or being killed by a spirit of unbelievably power. Thats frightening all in its own.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:00:35 PM

The FEAR games are great but I thought they were light on horror and actually ended up being better FPS than lots of others. They feel so tactical and like you possess a body. 3 was kind of more mainstream but still a cool experience.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:41:02 AM

I'm a FEAR fan too, I especially love the bucketloads of classic horror movie references in those games. It's almost like walking through a horror movie exhibition. :)

But I agree with you Knight, they should return to what made FEAR great. The third were slick, but cramped. They tried too hard.

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Siris86
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:02:35 PM
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What a week it was. The Playstation Meeting was basically the funeral service for a lot of my money. Extremely excited about the next generation and what developers will create with it. Who would have thought Capcom could stun as it did with the Panta Rhei demonstration?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:11:08 PM
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I think the hardware of 720 will of course be similar but there's something very important we have to keep in mind and it is the reason I don't see "Microsoft" written on Sony's press conference where others do: the future of gaming is going to be service-based and that puts Sony light years ahead already.

Microsoft got a head start with Live so it was arguably a little better at first but let's not forget that it will be the only online that costs money and they are horrible at support and service. 360 was a cheapy plastic deal they put out quickly and then dumped cash into to defeat Sony, everything else from their hardware failures to their immature service to their lack of customer support to their unwillingness to put money into new software or anything except advertising and exclusive purchasing all says their future will be dictated by a "buy our console because we said so" mentality. MS only spends money to defeat the competition, Sony we already know goes above and beyond to bend over backwards to please their fans and customers so when it comes down to service who do you want to deal with, Sony or Microsoft? Tirade over.

I beat DmC today, what a fantastic game! Ben you should really finish it so you can see what happens with Vergil. Amazing and I hope there are more to come. Everything is totally set up for Dante and his world to become the guy in the place that we already know and love. Ninja Theory deserves mucho respect for that production.

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Highlander
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:18:22 PM
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Ben, you may be correct in the sense that Sony did the correct thing for the business - if things go as expected. However, from my point of view as a gamer who's played PlayStation and other games since before most here could tie their own shoe laces, I feel like the fans of the old Final Fantasy games do after This generation's shenanigans by Square Enix. square decided to try to find a new audience and in the process completely left their existing fanbase behind. Never mind that it was those fans that made them.

I feel much the same way about Sony at the moment. The PS3 was rough for Sony for a variety of reasons, and it was their loyal PlayStation gamers that stuck by them that bridged the gap and helped PlayStation survive this generation and succeed despite the problems faced. Our reward for that is the PC4. It's mainstream, casual gamer, social gaming/networking action/shooter, western developer focust is a major departure from the PlayStations we all grew with. An awful lot of what was announced with the PS4 is not for the generation of gamers I am from, very little of it is. There's nothing substantially new for us. I understand the point that many will make about expanding the market and expanding the appeal of the PS4. However, as we have seen before, when that happens, the existing audience, the loyal customers, tend to be left behind because everyone assumes that they will just follow the new standard.

Why should we? If there is nothing new for us, if we're now the minority and gen little consideration, why stick with PS4? Why stick with Sony? I need to be given a reason to care at this point and the only people that can do that are Sony. So far, they have given me reasons not to care.

If Xbox720 turns out to be another PC based architecture in a closed box with an Xbox label on it, we can hammer the last nail in the coffin of the home console because after this there will be no reason for either major console maker to do anything other than have a runtime environment that runs on any sufficiently powerful PC.

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Lord carlos
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:41:28 PM

As a soon to be 33 yr old gamer,none of that social gaming crap interests me at all except maybe the record feature,GTA has some crazy things going on in the background,in gta sa a plane crashed right in front of me & blew cj about 150ft in the air..it was insane!!
Sharing crazy stuff like that with my friends list has an appeal to me.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:55:56 PM

Wow, I didn't know you're so upset at those.
Just wait and see ya?
It's still early.
A game console has to evolve, it can't stay the same for too long.
I'm sure Sony can satisfy us ACTUAL gamers as well as the casuals.

You're passing judgement too early my friend.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:07:21 AM

Snake, you can be surprised all you like, none of the friends I have spoken to online are in the least enthused by the PS4, and the reasons vary, but a lot of them are the ones I am expressing. If I were to take a straw pole of the friends I have talked to, I'd say it was overwhelmingly negative about the PS4 at this point.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:50:42 AM

Well I can't change your point of view but hey, I'll remain positive for now even though you're the tech expert here.(Just in case though, I'm not being sarcastic here)

Cheers mate.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:55:32 AM

I know, and I know I'm out on a limb here, but I'm absolutely serious when I say that all of the friends I have spoken to online in-game share a similar point of view to mine regarding the PC4 - even down to them calling it that as well. It's like I've said, I'm a person who's remained loyal to Sony through a lot, and I'll probably stick with them unless they utterly offend me. But that loyalty isn't blind, and I will be critical of them if I think they merit the criticism. With the PS4 I think they do merit it.

I doubt I will buy a PS4 any time soon after launch, but I will continue to hope for good PS3 and Vita releases, and I will continue to hope that Sony can show me something to make me feel like I'm not left out of their plans and that my kind of game and gamer is not being thrown on the scrap pile in favor of casual & "mainstream" gamers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 1:51:55 AM

Not to beat a dead horse but I don't see how we are left behind unless the developers decide to only make PC-style games. Then I would probably have a fit myself.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:01:37 AM

I don't know bout you but for me, as long as Sony keeps on delivering jaw-dropping games I'm plenty satisfied.
They can go around and cater to those casual gamers for all I care, I only demand the best, and with studios like ND, QD etc. I'm not worried.
Yep, I'm pretty simple-minded, I just wanna have fun that's all, I don't mind the details.

I grew up as a Playstation fan and I'll continue to support the brand that's for sure, but like you, my loyalty or love for PS isn't blind as well.
I once abandon my desire to buy the PS3 because the PS3 "had no games", well, at least, no games that caught my attention, it was in 2007.
But after 2008 with games like VC, MGS4 and Motorstorm:PC, changed my mind and got myself one in 2009.
Because of that, I'll place my trust on the PS4 to blow my mind AGAIN.
But like what you said, I hope our kind of game and gamers are not left out in favor of the casual market.

Now.......you mentioned "mainstream" gamers?
I chuckled at that and the fact that we hardcore gamers are no longer mainstream.
It's sad, but things change.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:02:06 AM

Not to beat a dead horse either, but I know you don't agree with me or see my point so why bother posting that?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:26:27 AM

So that I can hear your rebuttal of course, as to why the architecture will ensure the end of Playstation gaming experiences as we have known them.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:01:56 AM

I've already stated why.

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Knightzane
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:09:29 AM

Wow... Can someone seriously be this bitter? I just don't get where all this anger is coming from. If you could tell me i'd be greatful so i could try and understand whats wrong. I'll check back until Ben releases several new posts. I just wanna know whats wrong. I know its none of my business and i know im being nosy but i just don't like reading things that are so negative before something bad even happens. Its like freaking out about 2012. Thats kind of my view on peopls talking bad about the ps4.

Its not even out yet. We dont know much about it yet. Unless your nostradomus or the mayans i dont think its right or fair to judgement things before they happen. Hypothesis's are more than valid of course but at the same time try and keep it possitive or you will only drag yourself down. Mean no offense man just want to know whats up.

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Shams
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:15:55 AM

There's no denying some of the cool benefits we got from the Cell tech, but I have a simple question for you, Highlander, if I may. Aside from the brilliant Uncharted franchise, which we both enjoyed, do you mind naming some of your favorite games this gen? White Knight Chronicles, Burnout Paradise, maybe some R&C. I'm sure there are more. Now, how many of those games that come to your mind couldn't have been possible on low-medium spec pc's or a 360? I'm not saying the Cell was for nothing, but even if the ps4 tech wise is just a closed box, medium-high end, soon-to-be-outclassed pc does it mean necessarily the end of console gaming goodness? Does it necessarily mean that console gaming will get kicked to the cloud?

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:17:47 AM

So, because one person on this side doesn't have a rosy view of things, you are going to get all upset and feel that the end of the world is nigh? Come on, my opinion isn't that important to anyone.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:29:14 AM

Gran Turismo 5
Infamous
Heavy Rain


but of course more or less everything we got from PS3 could be done (now) on a decent gaming rig. That's the nature of technology. The problem I have with this horrible little box is that it is a decided ordinary consumer HTPC in a Sony box. Nothing special at all. For it's time PS3 was special, and the games it produced were special. Not so much now because technology caught up. PS4 represents no leap forward beyond ordinary low end PC gaming.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:34:08 AM

What's interesting to me is the amount of difficulty you are all having because one person doesn't agree that this is all wonderful news. I'm not sure if that says more about how shaky your own opinions are, or how powerful my opinion is. Either way I'm pretty sure my opinion belongs to me alone, and I'm entitled to it, just as you are yours, and that's as far as it needs to go.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:50:10 AM

Just so you know Highlander, I'm cool with your opinion of the PS4 or PC4 if that's what you like to call it. ;)

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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:50:58 AM

"I'm not sure if that says more about how shaky your own opinions are, or how powerful my opinion is" well lets be honest, you also said in a previous comment that  "Come on, my opinion isn't that important to anyone". So its probably neither and based on comments you feel the same way.

People respect your knowledge and want to really just understand why you are not as excited as they are. Thats all it is bottom line.

But what I would like to know is where you think the PS4 should be at graphically and if there is anything else hardware wise that would make the PS4 much more (and I mean very noticeably) graphically powerful?

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:55:18 AM

more CPU horsepower, and more GPU horsepower. It's not about the resolution it's about the number of moving objects, particles, effects, physics, textures, depth of focus, filters and post processing of frames. Resolution is pinned at 1080p, memory isn't an issue, the amount of CPU and GPU resource is. Compared to the PS3 this has more - but not as much more as you think, and most of that is in the GPU. I think it's weak in both CPU and GPU. It's low-mid range consumer PC stuff, not much more, it's adequate and little more than that. PlayStation should dare to be more.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:01:10 AM

I have to agree with highlander here. If Sony is going casual, I'm plenty worried. The games might be grand in scale and prettier, but if they play like Call of Duty, I will fall in a deep coma till Ps5 releases. I'm not a tech expert so I have no idea what the specs can do. To be honest I am a little freaked out by the fact that people will potentially stalk me while I play. You may all call highlander this and that, but when his statements become true and Ps4 can't produce prettier games after 2 years, you will all be looking like idiots. If I don't see quality improvements like Ps3 had, the Ps4 was a failure in my book. I'm not a PC geek, so I won't go the PC route. Lets just just hole for our sake that the Ps4 is a quality machine.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:16:50 AM

Although you probably answered my question in a way I dont understand (how these things work) I cant help but wonder how much better things can get when QD says the PS4 will allow for quality only seen in CGI before.

And so to honest, and in my opinion, based on what you just said there wouldnt be a huge difference in performance but it may allow for some bragging rights is all. I mean if GoW3 can have 50 enemies on screen and the PS4 allows for more than that, do we really need to see more? Honestly?

And to killa in reference to what I just said, in 2 - 3 years what they showed at the presentation would still be impressive. Furthermore, I really dont think theres hardware out there that will allow for much more than what we seen.



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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:20:48 AM

Highlander,
When someone is negative about something the community as a whole is positive about, they are *always* met with a stream of reactions. I get that all the time.
So it's nothing out of the ordinary, Highlander. Nothing to worry about. It's just how it is. :)

Killa,
People will NOT stalk you without you knowing it. You will *obviously* have to agree on sharing the view - think how voice chat on the PS3 works.
Jeez, where do people get these ideas?!


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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:42:39 AM

Yes, Beamboom, I know how it is. Since everyone else wishes to have fun worrying about my opinion, I felt like having a bit of fun making them worry about that too.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:49:38 AM

Hehe - and that makes me worry about you worrying about them worrying about you! ;)

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:06:16 AM

BigRailer,

There's hardware out there that will allow for far, far more than you've seen. For a start there are PC Rigs that can handle real time ray tracing and full 3D rendering using that technique. The amount of texture enhancement and effects that handle things like fabric textures and surface textures as well as the interaction of those textures with light is amazing. There is PC hardware that can handle that. This PS4 doesn't have that hardware.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 6:04:43 AM

@Beam,

Who knows man(?) The pictures I took with my devices ended up on my google account in a cloud storage without my consent. Google sync or something? I didn't even know it was on and it was syncing online... for everyone to see... scary...

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 6:07:33 AM

@big

I think Sony can swing some wands and work some magic if they really wanted to :)

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Dukemz_UK
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 7:46:13 AM

I think the ps4 will ultimately be judged on the success of GAMES produced for it. As Sony has asked developers what they want and the ps4 delivers on what devs want, in a way this takes the pressure off Sony. Hopefully no more whining and bug-ridden games from lazy devs who can't or can't bother to come to terms with ps3 hardware.
As far as the social aspect of gaming goes, it's not really my cup of tea, but I understand that Sony want to be relevant to the times we live in. I have faith they will still deliver to the hardcore console gamer. If they don't, I'll likely move on as well.
@ Highlander: I think it's way too early to write Sony off on the ps4.


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Shams
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:08:30 AM

One side you say everything that can be done on the ps3 can be done now on a "decent gaming rig", and then on the other hand, you say the ps4 is a "low-medium pc". Do you mean to imply the ps3 is more capable than the ps4?

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FatherSun
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:04:59 AM

@Killa Tequila, Google Plus auto syncs your mobile photos to a Private folder. No one should be able to see those photos unless you allow it. Check your settings. I will be investigating if someone can see my photo with authorization. Ill let you know if I find that to be the case. If I remember correctly when you sign in to Google it ask if you want Instant Upload turned on.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:44:16 AM

Killa,
then you must have clicked on "yes" in a settings dialogue window or something without reading what you agreed on - or you just *think* your files are publicly available cause you seem them yourself. Or something. To make your files publicly available is *not* default behavior of any cloud storage service.

But that said, it *is* easy to do mistakes these days, with the new services becoming more and more powerful.
So I kinda know where you're coming from here.


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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:10:22 PM

Highlander-

Okay, so there might be some pretty powerful hardware out there. But I can only imagaine a) its extremely expensive, making it not so logical for a console; or b) its extremely difficult to develop for and thats why its not main stream, I mean I havnt heard of any pc games that utilize the technology your speaking of. Im trying to think from a logical stand point. Would it be at all beneficial or even smart for Sony to implement such hardware? Logically it doesnt seem like it, based on what we are seeing capable from the PS4.

Sure you made a point in that there is better hardware, but again im looking at games on the market and where they are at and also looking at what we seen in Sony's presentation and honestly I just dont see it getting much better, all things considered.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:41:37 PM

Bigrailer,
don't worry. It's no wonder you've never heard about it, cause there are no regular PCs with real time ray tracing today.
What highlander talk about here is maybe the Tesla cards from Nvidia. Go google "Tesla K20 Workstation Card" and see for yourself what the price of those cards are. We talk about a price of TEN new consoles. There's no way whatsoever that Sony could put that into the PS4.


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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:38:53 PM

Beam-

Thanks for clearing that up. That was kibd of where I w a s going. It just doesnt appear logical for sony to do that right now.

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xenris
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:02:28 PM

Highlander, there was never a time when PS3 games looked better than PC games. Sure it was using new technology, and had good looking games, but nothing looked better than PC only games at the time.

This is why I don't understand why you're upset. Consoles have always been behind what gaming PCs can do, with the only difference being that a PC costs more because it can do much more than a console can.

So now that we have the PS4 that is still behind PCs which isn't anything new, you get upset. When in reality the PS1 was behind PCs when it was launched, and so was the PS2, and so was the PS3.

You know they can't afford to make the machine a beast, and sell it at a loss again, yet your still pissed.

Also for being the "tech guy" you have skipped over the part where they customized certain aspects of the PS4, I think it was the memory, and how fast it transfers from the CPU to the GPU but I'm not a tech guy that was just something I remember hearing or reading about it last week.

Either way, this is going to be a step up from the PS3, Killzone looks much better on the PS4 than it ever did on the PS3 and if that was as good as the graphics got who cares. It IS better, and that panta rhei engine capcom made looks great too, same with the Agni engine.

If games can run real time in those that is a HUGE step up from PS3 games so really who cares? You obviously, and thats cool, its cool that you have an opinion.

But you haven't answered my question on any of these threads, and that is. Design your own PS4 with a response to this, give the specs, features, controller design, and mock up how much it would cost.

Because right now you are just saying that its a crap console, and uses low end PC parts, which is mostly true but you haven't tried to say what you would have done if you were in charge at sony and how much it would cost etc.

So do it up. Show us your tech expertise and make the PS4 YOU want, that isn't more than a gaming PC.

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Underdog15
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:44:44 PM

Guys, just let Highlander be.

The fact that he refuses to play Ni No Kuni (a game that is exactly up his alley if he'd give it a chance) for the sole reason of "making a point" is really all you need to know.

Let him take his stance. It's important to him. Why try to change him now? He's clearly taken a permanent stance on his views of the gaming empire.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 6:28:09 PM

Beam,

About 4 years ago, a dud inside Intel put together a quad SLI configuration with over the counter parts that ran a version of doom3 (I think it was doom 3) that was re-written to ray trace instead of traditional rendering. It ran in real time. IIRC that was about 4 years ago, with more modern CPU and GPU resources that's withihn the capability of an up to date i7 with double GPUs - aka a top notch gaming rig.

Underdog, yes, I have taken a stance on Ni No Kuni, amazing that some people have sufficient will power and principle to take a stand on anything these days isn't it? You should try it sometime.

Xenris, an existing modest gaming rig vs a bought fresh today consumer grade HTPC. there is no inconsistency with what I am saying. And yes for the sake of argument, if you were to give the PS3 the GPU in the PS4, it would produce better results than the PS4 will. The CellBE is a real beast (to use someone else's word), when used correctly.

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Akuma07
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 9:19:54 PM

How much does your full spec gaming rig cost Highlander?

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Underdog15
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:24:44 AM

I am an advocate for many things all far more important than some undelivered DLC. I can't say I'm bothered by your attempted dig.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:36:46 AM

Also, I'm probably one of the last people on this site who need to step up my frequency in defending what I think is right in the industry.

lol

Most probably would prefer me to calm the hell down. ;p

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Beamboom
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 4:30:39 AM

Highlander,
there are no regular PCs that are doing ray tracing today. An experiment in a laboratory doesn't change that. You know nothing about what over clocking extremes they had to go to in order to make that work, but I can guarantee you it was not in any way applicable on a consumer machine, not then and not now.

What you are doing now is spreading FUD about the PS4 just because you are such an intense x86 hater.
Over the years you've built yourself a solid reputation around here of being a knowledgeable, trustworthy tech-guy and I think it is unfortunate that you now are using that reputation for all it is worth, in order to spread bad vibes about this new console.

I totally respect your persistence. I even understand the disappointment. But please, don't turn into one of those who you yourself earlier has told have no place on a Sony fan site.
Please.


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xenris
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 10:55:05 AM

So you just would like to swap the Cell into the PS4? Keep the insane ram, the new GPU, and make it work with the CellBE? Interesting, would it be the same Cell processor in the PS3 or an upgrade. How expensive would it be?

Also for the Ni No Kuni thing, taking a stance is fine. But I will let you know this much, all the DLC that was released in Japan was free, and we got that incorporated into the western release. That is what I have been seeing on the message boards over at gamefaqs.

So at least this time if you bought it even used, you wouldnt have to worry about buying DLC.

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Highlander
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 12:52:52 PM

@xenris,

There is a successor to CellBE already that increases the double precision FP performance of the Cell by a factor of at least 4, and also boosts single precision FP performance. Plus all 8 SPEs are available. That alone would have been a substantial upgrade. It's not a brand new design, Sony has rights to it, it's already in manufacture. Pair it with a new GPU and look out.

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xenris
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 3:32:48 PM

Interesting. I wonder why they chose the path they did? Maybe they wanted to make it easier for all the third party devs?

I do think they should have stuck with the cell, but maybe they really needed to cut the budget for this PS4 because of their financial situation?

Now I understand more where you are coming from which is all I wanted from my replies to you.

Now I just need to convince you to get Ni No Kuni used because its great :P

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clockwyzebkny
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:25:19 PM
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I think the Durango/720/Infinity will share some similar specs but i think their mindset will be more aggressive to appeal to the casual They'll likely have Forza, Gears and Halo announcements but I think they'll fully embrace Kinect. They'll probably have an updated version.

I think Sony's Gakai purchase is a big deal and it will keep Sony ahead of the game. Then again I'm a Sony PS fan. I've became increasingly ardent only because i've seen so much hate towards the ps3 and the upcoming ps4.

So maybe it's just blind faith in Sony but i think the ps4 has great potential and 720 may be behind in terms of appeal 3rd and 1st party support and possibly longevity. I could see the ps4 as the last system from Sony

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Lord carlos
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 11:30:11 PM
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Was surprised at how good Killzone shadowfall looked but was more surprised it lost the numerical entry,i mean "Killzone 4" on PS4 sounds cool,in fact i was hoping to see them all,God of war 4,Resistance 4 & of course Uncharted 4.Now i dont mean gameplay from all those titles but i'd thought that list was a no-brainer oh well!
After seeing what awaits us in the future for both exclusives and multiplatforms its fairly obvious that nintendo F'd themselves in the A by releasing the wii u,at least for next gen multi platform games.Don't really care about MS or nintendo so blah blah.
PGU. Still the Hitman untill i can become the god of war....again.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:03:31 AM
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The announcement of the PS4 and all the games simply made this the best week of 2013.

Though I got one question regarding Killzone: SF.
Why the f*** do the ISA are still getting ambushed by the Helghast?!?!!
You thought they would have learned it the hard way back in the first game.
Then in KZ2 they went to Helghan with the Helghast expecting them and still you get ambushed decades later?????

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 1:54:59 AM

It wasn't even the ISA, it was somebody called the Vektans. So if they actually let that 4 second ending of KZ3 be the end to the numbered entrys and the ISA that's just stupid.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:05:43 AM

Yea, but the first KZ took place on Vekta.

And yes, that ending was totally WTF.

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Jed
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:28:27 AM

I think it's a prequel from before the Helghan left Vekta.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:29:52 AM

Oh yeah? I never played the first one, heard it was abysmal.

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Lord carlos
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:01:09 AM

snake
****SPOILER ALERT****
its set 30 yrs after 3
END SPOILER

World
KZ HD is pretty good,not epic like KZ2 but worth 15 bucks.

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Knightzane
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:04:10 AM

Actually the ISA were basically the forces on Vekta. Im not sure what the Earth forces are called but maybe we'll find out. One thing is for sure, the new Killzone looks absolutely gorgeous.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:45:51 AM

carlos, I know it's 30 years after KZ3.
That's why I'm confused, first you get ambushed, so you'd know better to be prepared.
Then you go invade your enemy and you see a good example of always be prepared.
30 years later, you get another ambush?
And the Vektans and Helghast lives side by side and not peacefully!!
So yea, you and your sworn enemy are neighbours so there definitely won't be any surprise attack right?
But then again, now that I think about it more, the fact that the Helghast can live next door with a huge wall probably meant that at one point of the 30 years time skip, there's gotta be some kinda ceasefire or something.
You don't just be like," Hey, we're enemies, but we're cool with y'all living next to us so we can fight each other all day and all night."

@World
The first KZ was a GOOD game, I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10.
Just don't expect Halo or Black quality but it's worth playing.

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Lord carlos
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 8:50:49 AM

vecktans are just dumba$$es i suppose

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Teddie9
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:45:29 AM
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The ps4 content was cool and all but I'm still thoroughly enjoying my ps3, as you mentioned,with gow and bioshock on the horizon my mind isn't really there yet.

PGU: new dmc is fantastic. That's allpeople need to know. I'm sorta interested in mgr eventually....on some kind of hack'n slash high these days.

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xnonsuchx
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:54:46 AM
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I think it's unfortunate the PS4 hardware is basically off-the-shelf PC hardware (unless they did some especially cool customizations of the CPU/GPU), but as I said elsewhere, I'll probably still get one sometime, and at least it won't be running Windows. :-)

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Shams
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 1:38:32 AM
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News hit me recently, regarding the total demise of Sony's Studio Liverpool, the talented hands that crafted the Wipeout franchise throughout the history of PS. It was Wipeout that got me to get my first ps, it was Wipeout pure and pulse that got me to get a psp, it was Wipeout HD/Fury that made me pick ps3 over a 360 in the beginning of this gen, and it was Wipeout 2048 that sold me on a Vita day one. I realize I'm in a minority. But Studio Liverpool wasn't the only ones to receive the axe: Zipper Entertainment, Lightbox to name a couple more. I just hope Sony stops spending precious resources on more risky things like Move, and 3D, and maintains comfortable support on their first party software, which is what really established the Sony brand of gaming throughout the years. The first party studios should be growing, not waning. And even if we got a couple like ND, GG who won't be going anytime soon, I'm sure they'll be sweating a bit more with the added burden of carrying the PS brand. Do we really want Polyphony, for example, worrying about being replaced by Evolution's Drive Club? I'm not saying I'm jumping ship on Sony b/c of Studio Liverpool's demise. But, I am saying this relationship is being tested.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 1:57:30 AM
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I can't believe Square Enix trolled that conference!! I bet their big huge announcement at E3 is that Versus has a new name and will be PS4 exclusive... until the MS buyout.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:05:58 AM

They did?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:27:25 AM

yeah, they popped up, showed the same Agni's Philosophy tech demo from 2012 E3 and then said they would have a FF announcement at E3 this year. That's a troll if I ever saw one.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:48:51 AM

I still don't get how it's a troll though, it's good that they said there's a new FF announcement right?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 8:10:42 AM

They came to a huge reveal conference where everything announced was new and showed an old demo and said "stay tuned" I mean c'mon man.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:59:19 PM

Oh, good point there.

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Underdog15
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:48:50 PM

Naughty Dog didn't show up because they didn't have anything new to show really. They didn't need to string us along because we know they're reputable.

They too could have showed up to say, "Oh hey, look at Last of Us... cool, eh? Also, stay tuned... because we're going to do another game someday!"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:38:03 AM
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JRPG fans take note, NISA has you covered with 3 new localizations headed to your PS3 this summer including the beautifully hand-drawn Toki To Towa (Time and Eternity), Guided Fate Paradox, and Disgaea Dimension 2: A Brighter Darkness.

Trailers here: http://www.gamrreview.com/news/89806/nisa-announces-three-ps3-exclusive-rpgs-for-localization-in-2013/

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:58:04 AM

Toki to Towa looks kinda dumb to me, but then D2 is a must-have for me!!!!

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:10:57 AM

Already saw this, and posted them as news tips to Ben, haven't seen them here yet - amazingly.

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Jed
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:42:23 AM
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Here's the way I see it. If catering to the casual crowd helps to make the PS4 more popular, helps Sony sell more units and be a more successful platform than I'm all for it. They are not just going to forget about all the great games and developers that got them to where they are. The more successful the PS4 is, the more likely it is to recieve support from devs that make hardcore PS exclusive games. The same support that made the PS2 and PS3 so great.

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___________
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 2:53:10 AM
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makes me wish i could jump into a time machine back to the ps1 era where consoles were all about letting you have FUN!
enough with this comepetive BS, and posting every second of every day on every single place in earth!

of course the next xbox is going to be very similar to the 4, the 2 current systems are so why would next gen be any different?
the functionality and services of the systems will be near identical, and so will the games.
the only thing separating the 2 will be the OS, and what you hold in your hand.
thats about it!

think im about half way through crysis 3 now, just one thing i have to say about it.
why is it EVERY SINGLE GOD DAM TIME a developer creates a sequel they remove the BEST parts of a game?
ALWAYS!
REALLY starting to PISS ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!
ive always said the BEST thing in crysis 2 was how you could bring up the binoculars and it would show you certain ways to get to your objective!
and not only that, but it also told you which way was which.
go this way for stealth, this way for exploration, ect, ect.
3 though has NONE of that!
why?
why do developers have to remove the best parts of their previous games?
i thought sequels were suppose to be carry over the liked, improve the disliked to liked, and if you cant remove it.
not remove the liked, keep the disliked, and in fact make the disliked even WORSE!
i HATED the oh i saw you for 1 nano second from 200KMs away so i know exactly where you are in crysis 2.
so what have they done?
they made it WORSE in 3!
for f*cks sake crytek what the hell is going on!?
its almost as if they WANT to send themselves bankrupt!
first they turned crysis 2 into a crappy console port, 3s not much better!
then the oh every game from now on is going to be a F2P game.
and now this!
whats next!?
the team you created out of the ex vergil darksiders staff, are locked down to work on a adventure fantasy MMO?
knowing crytek, and their hell bent obsession with sending themselves bankrupt, not even that would surprise me!


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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:34:27 AM
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Sony did make a more casual friendly console. But they did not leave their true fans or the core gamers behind. I feel like theyve made the gaming experience better for both crowds. I dont see one problem at all with the way they handled the PS4. They succeeded in creating a great balance it would appear.

With that said, I wish they wouldn't have played it as safe as they did with the hardware specs - I know there is some really powerful hardware out there - but at the same time the devs appear to love it, and from what I saw I didnt think was possible, so Im still in awe over the presentation. In fact whenever I see ads (they show up on youtube frequently) I watch the whole thing because of how impressive some of those games and demos looked. Even 3-4 years from now it would still be impressive. And to be real honest, I dont know how much more we can ask for. Ok the system is capable of true 3d in 1080p so thats a great example. I also is capable of the 40k resolution (games wont be) but as many have pointed out we can't distinguish the difference anyways. The other interesting thing - I think it was QD that said it during the presentation - is that with the PS4 developers can finally produce true CGI quality gameplay. Thats pretty awesome and really how much better can it get all things considered? How much better do we want it to get? Im excited, as a hard core gamer!

PGU: Started Dishonored today, not impressed really. Not that its a bad game but I dont see it as a mid to high 9 game either...so far. The graphics to me are not great maybe mediocre. There are no smooth edges at all, everything is flat. The colors are bright and vibrant though but dont match the tone of the game, which is hardly worth complaining about. The combat is actually kind of awkward and feather light, almost like im playing dmc (thats exxageration) because its responsive yet super light and its just awkward for this game. Now it some instances though because of how fluid it is it works, in others it turns into a button mash fest. The stealth works but lets just say its about as good as it can be in a first person view and really thats not anything to write home about. And the story, at the beginning...come on. Without saying much, how typical! Maybe im being to hard on the game since I am still playing it and others appeared to have loved it. Ill keep playing and im sure something will click. But again I dont dislike the game, so far so good, just dont see it as a mid to high 9.

Finished DS3, the story actually was surprisingly decent. In the beginning I didnt know where it was headed directly, but it got on path and finished well. Good ending to a great trilogy. It did end rather abuptly which was kind of saddening buy overall a great game that balanced action/horror/survival into one game.

Im like shaking to get back into Borderlands 2. Just read an interview though and it doesnt sound like a level increase will come when they said. Apparently they are having issues and making it sound like its equivelant to making another game. It may be, I wouldnt know. I do appreciate the effort and the fact they said it would come out this year though. But thats kind of vague. But theres nothing I can do but i certainly cant justify spending any more money on dlc and stuff until that level increase comes out so.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 3:54:30 AM
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On the contrary, I actually think there is a good chance that next Xbox might be quite different from the PS4, and here's why:

Microsoft are currently fighting hard to penetrate two markets: The smartphone market with their Windows Phone OS, and the tablet market with their Surface product. This is a battle that will continue long into the lifespan of the next generation consoles, and they struggle hard.
Sony have no such worries to distract them.

Surely the temptation to use the next Xbox, with such a grip on very overlapping target markets must be huge. Will they fall for this temptation? I think they might.

And if that is the case I believe we will get a Xbox built for interaction with those peripherals, features that goes both ways. So it's not just that the Surface and Windows Phones plays with the Xbox, the Xbox will have to play with them too. And those other two are not primarily gaming products. Ergo, the features on the Xbox might then likely span much wider than the much more gaming focused Playstation 4.

So from this perspective I believe there is a chance that next generation consoles might differ *more* from each other than the X360 and PS3 ever did.

So there are good reasons to be optimistic on Sonys behalf now. Cause I don't believe this is the last generation gaming consoles. I am *convinced* it's the last generation *handheld* consoles, but not stationary.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:08:21 AM

I agree and I also feel like MS would do something crazy and use windows 8 OS. The windows 8 OS operates very similiar to the windows phone and grants access to Live from your pc. Personally that would be a terrible mistake but great for the plan you proposed.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 4:31:21 AM

The *interface* is likely very similar, but they will not just throw a standard Win8 OS into there.

That would not just be crazy, it would be insane. But that they share components, use libraries that their Windows is build on, now that's another matter. But I am pretty sure (without knowing it) that's done also in the X360.

But yeah, I think they will do a terrible mistake this time around, out of desperation. I think they will be unfocused cause let's face it, the world is starting to crumble around them. They do not control the end user desktops like they used to, and it is freaking them out cause that's where they make their money.

Good grief this is exciting! I'm dying here, this is just SO exciting times!
But no matter what Microsoft shows, I got an extremely good feeling about this. I think Sony might have a chance of recapturing the console market now. Yes, I am that optimistic. With the WiiU flop Nintendo is out of the picture. Microsoft is next, and like I say above, I think they might be unfocused this time around.


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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:00:03 AM

have been saying this about MS for a long time. Surface flopped, Windows phone 8 flopped. MS is desperate to get something back out of the Windows 8 fiasco, businesses hate it because it requires too high an investment in time and money for zero return. If Sony bet the farm on BluRay, Microsoft's farm is Windows 8. So you can bet it will be in the next X box. What was the rumor? 3gb set aside for the OS in the next X Box? Probably a false rumor, but just true enough to be in the ballpark for a Windows 8 kernel.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:06:05 AM

So again we agree on something? Hmm - let's not make a habit of it, Highlander. It might start rumours. ;)

I think they will inject a stripped down version of Win8 in there - it can't just be the boxed version. But that's details.

I agree very much with your comparison with Sony/Blu-ray and now MS/Win8. It's a good one.
But while at that time there were very good outlooks for the Bluray format (I never doubted it) there's nothing like that atmosphere surrounding Win8.

In fact, the negativity around Win8 is so huge that it *might* cause Microsoft to give it up instead of forcing it through. Just like they dropped Vista pretty fast.

But let's hope they go for the brute force strategy, cause that will benefit Sony enormously. :)

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:09:51 AM

I think that they planned on an 'embedded' version of Windows 8 with the Direct X libraries and such along with Surface. I was almost willing to guess on a surface enabled tablet style controller until I saw how unwieldy the WiiU one is. That said, I still think their plan included a variant of the surface interface to be used via Kinect. If they don't go that route, I don't know what they can do, they have nothing else at this point.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:26:34 AM

Agreed. It's hard to see what alternative they do have, also cause they can't spread too thin.

And if you just for a brief moment ;) ignores the architecture, you have to admit that this is promising for the Sony console?

Let's make this fun: What was the market share of X360 and PS3, say, three years into PS3's life?
I am willing to bet that this time around the tables will be turned and those numbers are reversed. I think Sony will come off this launch the strongest, with Microsoft eagerly fighting to get that market share back.


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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:58:30 AM

I haven't used Windows 8 much other then 30 secs at best buy just messing around with the Surface: from what I see an demoed, I hate Windows 8. I might be used to Android and its customization. I just don't like messing with square icons. I couldn't even find the wifi bar within 30 seconds. Something is completely wrong if I can't find the wifi bar within 1 second.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:40:39 AM
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There's a very good and informative article regarding the new PS4 that should be read here:

http://www.bradfordtaylor.com/insert-blank-press-start/ps4-vs-the-great-discord/

It addresses many of the complaints from PS fans over this architecture.


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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 8:13:11 AM
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I just realized we have over 8 months to snipe at each other or massage our egos over PS4, let's pace ourselves and dig into our PS3 backlogs :)

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Hand_of_Sorrow
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 9:27:45 AM
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im getting more and more excited about the ps4.
the one feature i think that'll be creepy and kinda cool
at the same time, is having a friend taking over your controler :)

pgu:
destroy all humans: path of the furon. which is a terrible game.
also playing killzone hd,

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FatherSun
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:07:33 AM

"FRIEND" taking over your controller. I wonder if this will produce an economy of people who will "BEAT YOUR GAME" or obstacle for a "FEE".

If that is the case then I wonder if this type of option will affect earning trophies. If someone beats any part of a game for someone else I feel this should disable the TROPHY.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:07:22 PM

I had to do the Pelagius mission in Skyrim for a friend who got stuck, which meant me driving a half hour out of my way, it woulda been nice to just do it from my own house.

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Beamboom
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:36:48 PM

Yeah I think this is a very, very cool feature. My favourite gaming buddy lives almost 4 hours drive from me. Needless to say, to physically meet is usually not an option. This feature is such a great idea.

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tes37
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:15:47 AM
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Although I'm disappointed that Sony has abandoned the Cell processor, I think we'll still get the great gaming experiences that we expect from them.

One thing I'll want for the PS4, that I'm certain will not be included in the box, is some scotch tape and paper. I'm definitely going to cover up that built in camera until I decide I want to use it.

I wouldn't expect MS to bring their A-game because they haven't in the past, so why start now. They do consistently put out junk and that's what I expect to see from them again. Their fans seem to be happy just knowing MS has the money to deliver the goods, although they won't do it.

PGU: I finally picked up Assassin's Creed 3 and so far I like it. It took a little longer than I expected for Conner to become an assassin, but I'm not complaining.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:09:27 PM

That camera will be absolutely useless to me in my bedroom setup, I don't really care if anybody wants to tune in and watch me sleep like the Truman show though.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 12:10:35 PM
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I kinda hope I can just put that bar away since there's a zero chance I'll be playing the games it's for.

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DjEezzy
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 1:54:24 PM
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While i agree that crysis doesn't feel quite as unique as crysis 2, i find it to still be an absolute blast. The difficulty is not an issue if you play it on hard. There is plenty difficulty on higher levels. Mass amounts of ai everywhere. Having said that, like ben said, the ai isn't the greatest. Much better on hard mode but still not great. Game is an absolute blast. Can't wait for the ps4!!! Love the gaikai capabilities. Those demos were absolutely jaw dropping!!! Got me stoked for sure. Capcom's was just epic with the dragons.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:30:30 PM

I couldn't figure out if that game was supposed to actually be about fantasy and dragons or some sort of meta-experience that encompassed that theme.

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homura
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:41:32 PM
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Highlander,

"more CPU horsepower, and more GPU horsepower. It's not about the resolution it's about the number of moving objects, particles, effects, physics, textures, depth of focus, filters and post processing of frames".

Spot on. I'm gonna miss the Cell. I bet Naughty Dogs will miss it too. Haha.

Xenris,

The new tech that the PS3 introduced is ahead of it's time, if clustered together it's a cheap supercomputer. The disadvantage of the PS3 is that it takes time to learn new tech. And when Naughty Dogs mastered it, what we got is this. For ex: One of the hardest to achieved in graphics is water, perfectly simulated water physics. So what Naughty Dogs do they set the first Uncharted in a lot of water, enemies float in them and etc... and in that year if I remember no PC games can do it. In Uncharted 2 they toy with ice. But in Uncharted 3 aside from the sands, what really is amazing is still the water graphics, because they pushed it a little more. For ex: In a small part at the start of The Chateau, you will notice a small waterfall and a small cave, what is special about it is the lights reflected in the water around the cave and how it makes the rock under with a bending of light looks more natural. And the best part is Ship Graveyard stage, they put a freaking wave effects with moving objects that influence each other with bending of light effect(when you dive under water and look at the enemy above), that algorithm can only be achieved with a fast processor and PS3 did. I'm in a hurry so in short, we're expecting that in the PS4, but if Sony abandoned it for them to survive so be it. You can always have the perfect graphics of rocks trees and buildings. but beyond that it takes more power.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 6:03:47 PM

The thing is, you can list the number of games that actually took advantage of the Cell on one hand.

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homura
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:41:57 PM
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Highlander,

"more CPU horsepower, and more GPU horsepower. It's not about the resolution it's about the number of moving objects, particles, effects, physics, textures, depth of focus, filters and post processing of frames".

Spot on. I'm gonna miss the Cell. I bet Naughty Dogs will miss it too. Haha.

Xenris,

The new tech that the PS3 introduced is ahead of it's time, if clustered together it's a cheap supercomputer. The disadvantage of the PS3 is that it takes time to learn new tech. And when Naughty Dogs mastered it, what we got is this. For ex: One of the hardest to achieved in graphics is water, perfectly simulated water physics. So what Naughty Dogs do they set the first Uncharted in a lot of water, enemies float in them and etc... and in that year if I remember no PC games can do it. In Uncharted 2 they toy with ice. But in Uncharted 3 aside from the sands, what really is amazing is still the water graphics, because they pushed it a little more. For ex: In a small part at the start of The Chateau, you will notice a small waterfall and a small cave, what is special about it is the lights reflected in the water around the cave and how it makes the rock under with a bending of light looks more natural. And the best part is Ship Graveyard stage, they put a freaking wave effects with moving objects that influence each other with bending of light effect(when you dive under water and look at the enemy above), that algorithm can only be achieved with a fast processor and PS3 did. I'm in a hurry so in short, we're expecting that in the PS4, but if Sony abandoned it for them to survive so be it. You can always have the perfect graphics of rocks trees and buildings. but beyond that it takes more power.

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Highlander
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 6:33:07 PM

What a lot of people don't get is that the SPEs on the Cell worked as a parallel processing array that is more capable than the execution units inside a GPU. GPUs can handle physics, and you can multi-process on an 8 core Jaguar, but at the end of the day neither of them really matches the capability of the SPEs in the Cell with their core speed local store and core speed local interconnect. That's why I say that the PS4 has better horsepower in the GPU but not necessarily the CPU. The GPU in the PS4 will obviously outmatch the RSX, but amazingly the CPU will not really outclass Cell in some of the more important tasks for running a game. It won't matter in the end because the GPU will compensate and the final look of games will be sufficiently better than PS3 for most people not to care about the elements under the hood.

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Akuma07
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 9:46:08 PM
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Posted in another thread.

John Carmack quoted:
“I can’t speak freely about PS4, but now that some specs have been made public, I can say that Sony made wise engineering choices,”

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Ultima
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 10:27:31 AM
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HIghlander:

> The CellBE is a real beast (to use someone else's word), when used correctly.

But if only one or two developers ever bother to use the CellBE "properly", what's the point?

I'm going to flat out say it: The reason people are jumping on you is because your opinion, re: PS4 hardware, is shit.

You're entitled to it, of course, but the reasoning behind that opinion is illogical, myopic, and irrelevant. Ir reeks of entitlement that would only lead Sony to self-destruction. It also shows a poor sense of history, since the PS3 is an anomaly compared to the PS2 (the most casual machine of all time) and especially the PS1 (cheap, easy to program, and hardly cutting edge). Sony only got away with the exotic, difficult-to-program for Emotion Engine in the PS2 mainly due to the momentum of the PS1 and lack of real competition, not to mention the world economy wasn't in a mess, and game development wasn't the ridiculous as it became later, etc. Really, I hope you didn't own either of those systems and instead only played the real "hardcore" machines of those times, namely the Saturn and the Dreamcast.

The PS4 is not all bed and roses. While I understand it why it's thus, the lack of PSN stuff transferring over is a HUGE blow and I really hope they find a way around that. And the DS3 not being compatiple is also a letdown, though I'll be far more pissed if my (very expensive) Street Fighter IV TE stick doesn't work. But to claim the PS4 is shit hardware because Sony could have used another overly-expensive, overly-difficult-to-program CELL-type processor and exotic GPU architecture that will never get fully utilized by more than tiny handful of developers, resulting in inferior ports for nearly every multi-platform game AND driving up the costs of the system to nigh un-sellable numbers without Sony taking massive losses at precisely the wrong time to do so... yeah, that's complete horseshit and you deserve to be called out on it.

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Highlander
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 12:56:19 PM

Reeks of entitlement?

Whatever. My opinion is mine. Interesting experience this, I haven't felt this level of hostility since the huge arguments about piracy, and used games. I find it interesting how hostile the group here gets when someone sticks to opinions that they have been stating for years, and isn't blinded by a glitzy presentation or two. I've been saying the same things about the prospect of an x86 based PS4 since at least a year ago now. There's no entitlement mind at play, nor have I suddenly espoused any new opinion or view, I just haven't moved with the herd. Sorry if that causes you a problem, but I'm not changing to suit you or anyone else.

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Ultima
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 3:37:34 PM

(I hope this goes in the right spot)

I know you've been saying the same thing for a year or so. It was a shitty opinion then, it's a a shitty opinion now and, barring developers totally throwing in the towel and making nothing but FPS for the PS4, it'll still be a shitty opinion in the future.

I never said you had to change. Just that you deserve to be called out on it. You don't get to pat yourself on the back for being an iconoclast just because "it's your opinion". Not when the basis of your opinion is -this- poor.

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