Soul Calibur V Date Confirmed, Ezio Launch Trailer

Can't make up my mind whether or not I should trade Soul Calibur IV towards this. Playing as Vader and later, Yoda, was an awesome thing!!

I think I'll save the money and just stick with SC IV. I hardly play online, and I think 3 Star Wars characters beats 1 Assassin's Creed character. And the lack of trophies in SC IV doesn't really bother me, especially since I've got about 30 other games I need to Platinum. :)

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I personally couldn't be happier that SCV will be without those terrible gimmicky Star Wars characters. I mean wtf was with Yoda? You couldn't even throw that gimp, in fact i found the easiest way of beating him was using stomps from Nightmare or Ivy which felt like a cheap, spammy way of winning.

I say good riddance to those shite Star Wars fighters. & don't worry just yet, not all characters are confirmed yet so we may be getting more special guests other than Ezio.

Bayonetta, Kratos or Nariko anyone?

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Um....so, let me get this straight, Dampierre from the PSP game is worthy of inclusion in this game, but they are willing to jettison such franchise icons as Taki?

Dampierre!?

Really? And they think that will be some kind of preorder incentive? Really? Seems like the folks behind this game franchise have lost touch with one of the main factors behind it's success. Just that alone makes this less likely a purchase - even excluding other factors.

Dampierre!? Seriously, that has to be a joke.

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Last edited by Highlander on 10/21/2011 9:46:30 AM

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Your comment made me laugh quite loudly, making your joke almost as good as the joke that is Soul Calibur V.

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@TheHighlander
Dampierre is only a pre-order bonus. He's only there as an extra (I think he won't the the only one) and has no real impact on the game (you can buy it without him at all). We have Natsu, who succeeds Taki as a disciple, and Taki herself is still in the story, so what's the complaint? You CAN'T say that they've 'lost touch with it's success' when the fans played a role in it's development bigger than any other game developer ever allowed.

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I can say they've lost touch, because I think they have. Dampierre is a playable character, Taki is not. If you can't see that difference, then you're obviously not looking very hard. The fact that there is a new character with Taki's move set that is her student is all good and well, but it still doesn't put Taki in the game. Not everyone see's the game in terms of move sets alone.

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@TheHighlander
Dampierre isn't even a part of the full roster; he's a bonus. He was only introduced in a spinoff; you don't think they might want to give him a second chance in the main series? Most SoulCalibur players use consoles, not portable systems anyway. This may be his only chance to be played in a console release. We all know how Taki plays on a console, so no one should even complain about adding him. No offense, but you're the one not looking hard enough into this, not me.

Seeing that the game was mainly driven by fan response, I can say you're definitely wrong to think they lost its touch. Besides, if it weren't for the fans, there wouldn't even be an SCV.

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Last edited by The Doom on 10/21/2011 1:07:58 PM

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The Doom,
I was hoping to hear your response to Highlander's complaint of Taki not being in the game as a playable character. That is, afterall, the substance of his current argument.

As for your last argument, I'd like to repeat what you said... but notice... the conclusion is very different from what you are trying to say. "Besides, if it wasn't for the fans, there wouldn't even be an FFXIII."

Just because there is fan support to make a new game, doesn't mean it will somehow not be "in touch". SE claims to have made FFXIII-2 based on fan feedback as well... based on what I've seen on gameplay, I have a hard time believing that. Highlander has similar concerns. Hard to blame him.

I don't know much about Soul calibre, but based on the arguments, he's more convincing to the neutral on-looker here. Unless you have a good counter point to his argument. ie: address Taki as not a playable character or his past comments on Sophitia.

Other fans lower have similar sentiments to Highlander. Other sites seem to have similar issues, particularly with DLC characters. (already planned?!? wtf!!)

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Last edited by Underdog15 on 10/21/2011 1:41:32 PM

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@Underdog15
His main complaint is was Dampierre being in the game (despite only being a bonus), but characters like Taki wasn't. I thought the issue surrounding her was resolved, we're getting Natsu and according to players who used Taki, she's not a bad character. Besides, with the game being set 17 years into the future, do you really expect for EVERYONE to show up?

After SCIV was released, Project Soul broke up. They were actually going to do a new IP, but when the fans heard about it, they voiced their concerns to Namco, which then brought about the development for SCV. They wanted to reintroduce the series, so they decided to set it 17 years into the future. Since then Project Soul was reformed and they involved fans with early access to the games (like the French players) and listening to them to make sure the game was properly balanced. That situation is the polar opposite of SE screwing over their fans.

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Last edited by The Doom on 10/21/2011 1:46:12 PM

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The Doom: its futile to even talk about this with highlander. Disagreeing with him, you will eventually just get called out for having an elitist attitude or that you are trolling him.

He plays fighting games for story, even if the game takes 17 years later, in his eyes, everyone should show up in the roster... for iconic and story reasons

And he is pretty far off about the main reasons for the success of the series. The main reasons it has success is the fans. Fighting games need their respective communities. Casuals are not excluded, but those who actually continue to hone their skills, whether its for tourney reasons, online reasons, or just to be better than their friends, are the life blood of most fighters.

Iconic characters have helped with gaining notice for returning fans, but the real reason they return is because its just a good, polished ( not counting SC3) fighting game.

Hopefully namco listens to its community more this time around and make the needed patches to its gameplay on things that are a bit broken, like Hilde's chargeable air combos that cant be air controlled out of the way ( this has already been addressed from what ive seen personally ) or other issues that may pop up

I do agree with him to a certain degree about pre order characters and dlc characters tho. That shouldnt happen in fighting games, but i feel its not going away

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/21/2011 1:56:20 PM

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Also, with Nightmare being recently confirmed for the game, large sword and all, there's an even greater chance Sophie will return to the lineup without any changes ( meaning she's using her sword and shield ) due to her being the current nightmare. JUST like when they made Sieg and Nightmare two totally different characters

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@aaronisbla

I call it like I see it.

You follow me around and snipe at me by name in replies to others, what does that make you?

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i responded as i see fit. no one's following you. The same way you can post in an article related to SCV, i can also Do you see me responding to anything of yours in jrpg articles dealing with SCV?

Last i checked, im on topic to respond in this article. if you got an issue with it, oh well. Again, who's sniping at you? i have still yet to call you any names besides your screen name for this site. I mentioned you by name simply because i can AND it fits in this post.

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/21/2011 2:42:09 PM

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@TheDoom,

My main complaint is/was the removal of some of the original characters from the game, the ones that have been there always, the iconic names that make the franchise what it is.

Of all the characters in Soul Calibuer, these are in fact the only ones to have been in *every* game except (not including SCV);

Cervantes
Mitsurugi
Nightmare
Siegfried
Sophitia
Taki

These 6 have literally always been with the games.

Voldo and Seong Mi-Na were there in the beginning, but skipped except Legends.

Astaroth and Ivy joined after Soul Blade, and have been in all since.

Killik, Maxi, Xianghua and Yoshimitsu joined after Soul Blade and all 3 skipped Legends.

Out of all of those only 6 have always been there. Nightmare only appears in Soul Blade as an alternate costume. Cervantes and Nightmare are unplayable in Legends, but they do at least appear as Boss characters. Taking that into account, and considering that Siegfried appeared only as an alternate costume in one of the games. You are left with Mitsurugi, Sophitia and Taki as the only Soul series characters that have literally always been there. My point is that when there are so few characters that are the bedrock of the franchise, why remove any of them?

Regarding this; "His main complaint is was Dampierre being in the game (despite only being a bonus), but characters like Taki wasn't. I thought the issue surrounding her was resolved, we're getting Natsu and according to players who used Taki, she's not a bad character. Besides, with the game being set 17 years into the future, do you really expect for EVERYONE to show up?"

1) whether or not Natsu's move set is identical or very close to Taki's, the simple point is that she *isn't* Taki.

2)This argument that the game takes place 17 years later, yadda, yadda, yadda. Since when was Soul Calibur subject to the laws of time or nature?

3) I didn't ever say I expect *everyone* to show up, but I do expect that the latest game in a franchise that generally features 30 or so characters per game, the 13 original characters that have always been there would continue. Removing any of those classic, iconic characters is a mistake - in my opinion.

I'm not expecting anyone else to agree with me here, although I know some do. And I'm not saying I speak for any group of gamers or and of the series, but I know that there are many who share my opinion. You'll note that in this entire exchange I have stated my opinion only. I have been careful to say that I feel a particular way, and only say that I know other gamers feel similarly because I know of other gamers that do. My opinion and how I feel about it, that's all. I'm not sure why you or anyone else has such a hard time comprehending that.

Oh, and BTW, giving Dampierre a second chance is - in my opinion - like going back to a restaurant where you got a mild case of food poisoning and ordering the exact same thing again. Yes, you are correct in concluding that I didn't like Dampierre.

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Last edited by Highlander on 10/21/2011 3:05:31 PM

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If SoulCalibur was an action game like God of War, I might've agreed with you. If it had a deep, engaging story, I might've agreed with you. But here I can't, because it has neither. You may like a character, but their story have VERY little to start any emotional investment.

"These 6 have literally always been with the games."

No offense, but how long a character stays in the series doesn't matter as much as you think. They aren't the "bedrock" of the series by themselves. If they decide to completely change their gameplay mechanics and make it into something totally different, a lot of fans will not recognize them (for instance, People currently disapprove of Mitsurugi's style because of how differently it plays now). Besides, three of those "bedrocks" are confirmed to be playable. Why do they all have to be in it?

The gameplay itself define SoulCalibur more than the characters do. It's known as 3D weapon's based fighter with diverse characters/fighting styles, high quality visuals, aesthetics, uses 8 directions in movement, and many other gameplay aspects like framedata and guard options. There's litarlly no other game like it. THAT'S what makes SoulCalibur what it is.

Your complaint obviously began with Dampierre just because he was playable and Taki wasn't. They're giving him that second chance and I want to see how it turns out. Btw, when you outright dismiss the 17 year gap as BS, that seems very ignorant imo. I explained why they did it. And starting with SCV and the inclusion of Ezio, the "laws of time" apparently apply to it now to a degree.

No disrespect Highlander, but I honestly thought you'd see a bigger picture of what the series is about. It's much more than the characters.

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Last edited by The Doom on 10/21/2011 5:03:17 PM

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Doom, I think you are deliberately missing the point here. It's not about Dampierre specifically, it's the idea of taking a second rate character from the PSP version and including him as playable over other series regulars. As for the 17 year gap, I'm not dismissing it, but I am essentially pointing out that the game itself has never made an issue about time talking about the eternal struggle and timeless warriors etc...

Like I have said before, some players apparently do not really care about the characters and only see them as their move set and statistics. That's fine, but it's not me. If you talk to 100 gamers at random and ask them about Soul Calibur, they will name some characters, and talk about the female characters, but many are not going to talk about the move sets or anything like that. Yes it's a fighter, but it's also the characters. We're not going to see eye to eye, but excusing yourself before inferring that I have a narrow view because I don't see your bigger picture makes it no less insulting.

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out of that 100 people you would ask, i bet a good 95 of them would tell you there favorite move over how their stories go.

Sophie was missing from the arcade edition of sc2, back when arcades were very popular in the US

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/22/2011 12:48:23 AM

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Yeah, I know that, but since I wasn't in the US then, it's of zero concern to me, not to mention that she's been in every retail copy of the game sold, unlike so many others.

I doubt you'd find 95 answering that, and if you paid attention at all, it's not the stories, it's the character too. However, since your friend won nationals with Amy, I'm certain that your circle of friends take the move sets of the game far more seriously than my circle of friends do. It does rather seem that you are far more competition minded, I don't give a fig about competitive play, I play for fun. Clearly though, you do not understand that people play these games for something other than competition.

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Last edited by Highlander on 10/22/2011 2:00:42 AM

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You assume too much. You insinuating that since we play the game on a competitive level, we don't play for fun. Quite the contrary highlander. Most of us that play on a competitive level do so because its FUN. At least to us it is. Or else we wouldn't even bother.

You wont hear me claim that since you don't play competitively, you don't have fun with the game so why would you do the same in vice versa for those that do take it a bit more serious? Its similar to how some people love collecting everything there is on a rpg, kill every tough monster and how some are just content with just beating the main story. whose to say that one way is fun and the other one isn't?

You also assumed just because a good friend of mine won the national tournament, that me and my friends are all like minded, which also isn't the case. I partake in local organized tourneys but i never really expect to do well, i don't even take it nearly as serious as others do. However, some of my friends do take it more seriously. But the competition is fun regardless

You say its not the story but the characters. You know what gives the fighters their character? Their moves. When you think of Astaroth, you think of him spinning his axe into you then toss you across the screen (poseidon's tide). I bet some of Sophie's signature moves are still fresh in your head.

When you said you play the game more for the story, i assumed correctly that you must not play competitively. Didn't mean it as an insult when i said it

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/22/2011 7:00:18 AM

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I take you at your word - the ones you use in your comments. You can say what you like now, I remember your previous posts. As I said I have expressed my opiinion, nothing more. In my view, you have belittled that opinion and contrasted it in a negative manner against competition gaming and a focus purely on move sets and performance.

If you could stop simply contradicting my opinion and belittling it, we might at least agree to disagree. But somehow I doubt you will, but instead you'll attack again. Subtle, but still it will be there.

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Fair enough, if you really feel i came at you in a disrespectful way then i apologize.

One thing id like to add is all of us who play this game and like it do it for fun. You may be better with Sophie than you give urself credit for, if you do get it and she's on her in her normal state, you should try some matches online. You may enjoy it as long as the lag isn't too much

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/22/2011 2:53:47 PM

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Well, Aaron, it was a little strange the way you came out at Highlander all of a sudden... It relates to the topic, yes, but it wasn't exactly an organic transition into the conversation. lol


I don't really care too much about Soul calibre. I've only really played SC3. But I will say, through my experience in games and with movies, and having a degree in theatre arts...

Characters are ALWAYS more important than the narrative.

Always.

I won't insult anyone over the competition debate, for now.

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Last edited by Underdog15 on 10/24/2011 2:41:04 PM

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Awesome news that Ezio has been added but I'll have to wait because FF XIII-2 releases the same day then there's Tales of Graces and Ni No Kuni.
When are they going to release a full roster and where's my Kilik. I have a feeling quite few characters might be dlc.

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I believe you're right my friend. If this is the case, looks like SC is going bye-bye from my gaming world. I'm sick of all this digital add-on crap that ends up making a game cost 100 bucks+ in the end. Pardon my french, but fous that.

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"Taki (タキ, Taki, also written as 多喜) was confirmed at Comic-Con 2011 to return. During the session Producer Hisaharu Tago explained that instead of showing Taki they opted to reveal new characters, he did reassure fans that Taki will return in SCV. However, Taki is yet to be confirmed as a playable character."

So highlander, does this still mean there is hopes of her actually being a playable character? I copied this off the wiki btw. I could check to see if it is right or not, but I'm too lazy.

If she isn't playable then I finally feel your pain about Sophitia not being in it.

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I hope it means that she's playable, but everything I have read says that she's only 'in' if you consider that she appears in a story scene, but is not playable. I hope she is there and that it's all an elaborate bluff. I know that lots of gamers have their favorite characters and will miss them if they are absent.

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Man, everytime i hear, read or see anything regarding the Soul games i almost fist punch the air like some uber, untouchable geek.

Mad pumped for this game. That Ezio gameplay video was gnarly. There has also been a gameplay video of Leixia fighting Viola which pretty much confirms to me that Amy is either Viola (she has the same voice actress & identical downed animation as Amy in SCIV) or she isn't making the final cut with Raphael taking up her spot.

Gotta say i am surprised that Dampierre is in the game but part of me was hoping only his crazy move-set would be in, as a default CaS style. Don't get me wrong i love me some Damp action but i don't like the idea of him taking up a character slot when there are so many others that could easily miss out because of his comic relief inclusion. That roster is starting to fill up & still no sign of Zasalamel or Cervantes. Maybe they're saving them?

Regardless, this game will be in my sweaty mitts day one. I might even splash out & get this CE, which is saying something as usually, nine times out of ten i couldn't give a rats arse about these extra incentives.

This game is going to own me.

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Last edited by Kevin555 on 10/21/2011 11:18:16 PM

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kevin, be sure to be around when this game drops, id like to fight you since you seem to like the gameplay like i do.

Wonder who my friend will pick if Amy isnt part of the cast? He won nationals with her lol

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/22/2011 1:01:18 AM

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@aaronisbla,

No probs mate, i will be sure to add you & other SC fans planning on getting this game. Thankfully my two mains, Mitsurugi & ivy are already in but am still waiting on Setsuka's replacement & Zasalamel.

Regarding Amy you should check the profiles on the official SoulCalibur website, i am certain that Viola is Amy, their faces & clothing styles are just too similar, so hopefully for your friends sake & many other Amy fans, she is in.

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will do, so far my mains, Astaroth, Nightmare with his classic soul edge weapon, and Voldo are back so everything else is just gravy on top of it all.

Im not too concerned with amy, as i dont use her. she was annoying to fight against in good hands lol

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well they do look similar, almost too similar, but her fighting style and weapon are different

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@aaronisbla,

Astaroth is a beast to use i reckon. I personally find pro Asti & Nightmare users to be the most brutal to fight against so I look forward to sparring with you friend.

I am abit rusty with Astaroth though so i don't use him too often but from what i've seen he has some of the best grabs in the entire game. His back throw is quite possibly the greatest throw i have ever seen in a fighting game.

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im far from being a 'pro' with him, but he is my best character lol. yeah, when using asta, you have to utilize grabs with him. By far the most reach out of all characters for grabbing. You also couldnt guard impact his just framed input for his grabs unless it was a perfect guard impact that flashes red, so that helps as well. newcomers often mistake him for a really slow character

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Love how they kept nightmare's voice out of the trailer. It just may not be sophie underneath all that armor, only time will tell

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Last edited by aaronisbla on 10/22/2011 7:05:38 AM

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