Please Don't Whine About An Over-Emphasis On Shooters

ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 9:49:19 PM
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I do not enjoy military shooter games, but it doesn't bother me that they're the biggest moneymakers right now. As long as I keep getting my fix of Uncharted, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, God of War, Heavy Rain, and other non-FPS games then I see no reason to complain. I usually ignore the FPS news anyway.

Last edited by ZettaiSeigi on 10/30/2011 9:49:31 PM

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AshT
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:08:51 AM

seriously, for FPS i'll play Killzone/Resistance but no military shooter, although i have no complaints

Last edited by AshT on 10/31/2011 1:12:11 AM

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telly
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:02:16 PM
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Amen brother. Tons of variety out there. You don't like FPSs? Play something else, you have TONS of options.

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jimmyhandsome
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:16:40 PM
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The media completely overhyped the whole "Battlefield 3 vs. Modern Warfare 3"debate, so I'm sure that has something to do with why people get sick and tired of those shooters. I honestly think that this holiday season has offered the most diverse and most quality titles that I have seen in years. If you don't like Call of Duty you have PLENTY of other great games to take a look at this year.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:22:04 PM
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The Battlefield and CoD focus brought Resistance 3 to its knees. I will complain, there too many and there is too much focus on them and they are why other franchises are dying by trying to keep up. Thank God for the ones who stick to what works like Skyrim, but a lot of great games don't exist this gen because nobody was willing to continue or start a franchise that was not a shooter.

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 5:11:49 AM

i compltely agree. there are too many of them, and i will complain as well. i wonder how many games have been killed off becuase of this shooter craze. how many great ideas were never brought to fruitition becuase they did not fit into the shooter mold? i have no doubt a lot of great ideas were shot down this gen becuase of the ridiculous amount of focus on shooters. i also have no doubt this shooter craze has greatly contributed to the decline of the japanese gaming industry and jrpgs. there are too many shooters, and i don't think the focus on them has been healthy at all. it's just too much.

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dkmrules
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:40:31 PM
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No mention of saints row 3? That game is going to be awesome

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 5:38:12 AM

*applause*
Can't wait for SR3!

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dork02840
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:45:06 PM
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Ben Dutka, for once i must say you miss the point entirely. its not that people complain about the overall FPS saturation...it is the type of FPS permeating the market. How many non -military games are there out there? Resistance series involves aliens, dead island, killzone 3 due to its more sci-fi nature, rage, bulletstorm, wolfenstein....just to name a few. COD and battlefield mainly focus on a tired topic...WAR. there was a time in the mid 90s when warfare games were mainly strategy based and flight based with the exception of a few. now 9/11, saving private ryan, letters to iwo jima, brothers on hbo, there is so much in the way of this genre that i simply avoid it. even a game like metal gear to me gets tiring when its all about nuclear holocaust. that is what makes games like killzone and halo all the more special...they give a fresh take on the military theme...in halos case its master chief fighting the covenant. you get my point ben, no one i know is bitching about the FPS domination. all of my friends bitch about the lack of variety within the genre.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:48:34 PM

Then you and your friends are just looking for problems.

Just because Killzone 3 has a certain military involved doesn't mean it's exactly like Battlefield 3. Those are completely different campaigns, and they even play extremely differently. And Bulletstorm? What does THAT play like?

Resistance 3 is nothing like MW3 and I don't even get where Dead Island came from. And what about RAGE? Where does that fall? Should we also ignore Halo, too? How is that like MW3?

I'm not missing any point. You're just not bothering to see the variety where clearly, there's plenty. Because a game has aliens it's the same as all other games that has aliens? Or because it involves the military, it's the same as all other games that use the military?

...okay. I think you'd have more fun with those games if you didn't view them on such a sweeping scale. They are different in places where it counts, you know. :)

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BIGRED15
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:48:52 PM
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So maybe a better question is "Is there too much emphasis on MODERN WAR shooters? And of course the answer is yes. Even though I'm loving battlefield, i still think uncharted and batman deserve double the sales of BF3 and MW3. Are they gonna get the sales they deserve? God no and thats all thanks to the press feeding the MW3 v BF3 flame war.

and man those devs deserve millions. Naughty dog and rocksteady should find solace in the fact they are a better all around game than mw3 and BF3.

And yes i will say they're better than cod, because there is no way mw3 will pull a higher metacritic than uc3 or Batman. Not fanboyism, FACT. cod has never pulled higher than 94. Just like ben said about bf3 not being innovative. people are likely gonna say the same about cod. i predict about the same score for mw3 as bf3. both are great but 4 different reasons.

These war shooters will run their course. Again... and again. But how long before a modern war shooter comes up that really innovates. I'll pose another question: Can modern war shooters find ways to innovate? If so, how?

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ZenChichiri
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 10:59:40 PM
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I think the problem with shooters being so popular is the fact it has changed gaming as we know it, and possibly not for the best. Companies want to create what sells well, and so now we have more shooters than we did before. This focus will make developers cater to what gamers want more by trying to bring in more action and possibly ruining entire genres like big budget turn based RPGs.

Oh wait that already happened.

Even some hardcore RPG fans are acting out that franchises like Dragon Age and Mass Effect are too actiony. It's hard to tell who is to blame. Is it the consumer for blindly buying every COD iteration? Is it companies like Square that are trying to catch a bigger piece of the pie? Who knows, but I do know one thing, as soon as shooters grew in popularity my most favoured genre took a nose dive into the ground.

I don't agree on people acting elitist over the issue, but I can understand why people are pissed off. There are many other games to play, but like I said, it has changed the industry as a whole.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 11:13:38 PM
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There is a lot of variety out there, but a great deal of it has been retarded by the popularity of shooters.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 11:40:50 PM
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Hell, for me, it's all about gaming, so I like all games.....
(yes, even that awful dreaded Rouge Warrior to some extent, LOL)

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bigrailer19
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:11:52 AM

Me too, I enjoy every aspect of gaming. I say bring on more CoD and BF because it's just another game for me to play and typically enjoy. There's not too many games I've played where I cam say I hated them. Lucky for me, I just enjoy the games.

I do have my fair share of complaints about some games though.

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Alienange
Sunday, October 30, 2011 @ 11:43:48 PM
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Who are these crybaby "veterans" you're referring to? Kind of immature of them to complain like that. If they are such vets, then wouldn't they have been there the day Wolfenstein was released and all eyes were glued to what was to become a powerful mainstay in gaming? Were they not there buying up every new "3D" game that came along, fueling the companies that would go on to make more and more of them?

What, NOW all of a sudden it's too much for them? Those aren't vets. Those are non-gamers dreaming of yesteryear with pink shades over their eyes. They fail to realize that the shooters of this gen are exactly what we wanted 20 years ago.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:04:52 AM

Yes, well, that's how nostalgia WORKS. ;)

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ZenChichiri
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:04:16 AM

Actually, I was hoping I would see games like Xenogears in HD glory, with insane "3D" graphics. I never even touched a COD game until I decided to see what all the fuss was about when MW2 came out. Don't get me wrong, I've played my fair share of enjoyable FPS games, but the genre just absolutely crushed other genres way too much.

I'm not that bitter because there are a plethora of other games I enjoy, I just think that the demise of my once favourite genre is because of the shift of focus to action/military style FPS games. There are those out there that would still love to play turn based RPGs, but the problem is that the companies all want this piece of the FPS market and are changing their games to claim it. It has changed the industry, there is no denying that, and when Square says they're trying to westernize their games more what do you think the origin of that is? Yah, the millions that flock to COD.

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tayizfire
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 2:04:31 AM

I don't understand all the whining about to many FPS's either...like other games stopped coming out ...there maybe more shooters then anything ...but other games do exist as well...as i remember the turn based "RPG" had it's time when it got over saturated as well...

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 5:35:29 AM

Haha - that was a very good post, Alien! Excellent point made.

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:11:12 AM

Not a bad point, Alien. But for the record, I never was interested in shooters. I never got into things like Doom or Quake, either.

So for me, no... it's not exactly like what I wanted 20 years ago.

A game like FFX or DQ8 had that affect on me, though. Then I thought, "Man, 15 years ago, this is exactly what I'd thought games would become."

But you're right, what they've done with shooters now compared to 20 years ago is mind-boggling. Technology moved really quickly.

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:13:55 AM
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i think the fps genre is way too over saturated. it's just not healthy. telling us not whine about is questionable at best becuase of the way it has impacted other genres. i wonder how many games have been killed off or dumbed down becuase of the shooter craze. the entire fps genre feels old, tired and worn out as well. the entire genre is stale as hell. wow, look at me i'm shooting some more soldiers or aliens. if there is a lot of variety in the fps genre i must of missed it. a lot these games look and feel the same. i'm sure that's by design.

hear that giant sucking sound and screaming in the background? that is a game like mw3 gobbling up 20 million in sales while a game like infamous 2 can barely sell 2 million copies. i'm sure developers notice that trend and have killed off a lot of games-that was the screaming sound you noticed.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:38:33 AM
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I think it's not because it dominates the internet, but that it dominates public opinion of video games and what they general public see as the most popular video game.

In the hardcore gaming realm, you've got everything Ben listed in the article. The cream of the crop spanning multiple genres.

However, with gamers and non-gamers alike, the general public, parents, sports fans, anyone, the big name game associated with the term "video game" is, sadly, Call of Duty.

If a person with a 360 cares about one game that year, it will most likely be Call of Duty.

Actually, I must admit, things have been much quiter this year when it comes to CoD, Halo and Battlefield. The last 3 years with MW1, W@W, MW2 and Black Ops were insane with hype and dominating headlines.

Thank God!!! CoD and BF now must share their spotlight with quality games like Batman Arkham City, Uncharted 3, Elder Scrolls V Skyrim and Assassin's Creed Revelations.

I believe we have finally reached the beginning of the end for FPS love this generation. It's still there, but is now fading with Batman and Uncharted's perfect reviews coming in. Heck, even Skyrim and Zelda Skyward Sword are primed to rake in perfect review scores!!!

Time for gamers to emerge from their hiding now that the casual boom is passing. The Wii, Guitar Hero, Angry Birds, CoD loving casuals are no longer dominating like in the past.

Long live quality gaming!!!!!

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ZenChichiri
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:32:21 AM

I think you're right. We're starting to see this more and more (thankfully) and I think the reason behind that is many newer gamers were flocking to FPS games, but now that they have tasted it for some time, they thirst for something different. Now we can see the newer gamers evolving and trying out newer genres.

However, it still is a slow process and the FPS genre will be dominant for some time still.

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SirLoin of Beef
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:29:28 PM

"If a person with a 360 cares about one game that year, it will most likely be Call of Duty."

I've been gaming on the 360 since its launch and can tell you that I've never cared all that much for Call of Duty games. I've been way more excited for games such as the Mass Effect games, Oblivion (and Skyrim), and other such titles. Yes, I do admit a love for the Halo games but those are the only shooters I've ever gotten really excited to play.

Edit: Forgot about the goodness that is BioShock...

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:48:06 PM

Don't apologize for liking Halo. It's one of the 360's best for a reason. If I still owned a 360, I would be sure to own Halo.

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AshT
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:48:25 AM
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I dont think there is anything to whine about, i mean i'm not into military shooters but i cant complain as there are lot of amazing games out there which i love to play, most of which are mentioned in the article.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 3:18:59 AM
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It's funny. On some level, I do agree. There really isn't a huge number of shooters hitting the market, besides BF and MW, there's really only Goldeneye and Halo Anniversary that can be considered pure shooters, which makes up a tiny portion of availability, with over 20 titles hitting before the end of the year (according to a quick search on Wikipedia). Admittedly, a large portion of those games won't garner a great deal of critical acclaim, but I think that it may just represent something of a turning point as developers change their mindset away from trying to capture the popular crowd to trying to capture the popular imagination.

On the other hand, you have things like the XCOM and Syndicate reboots, which, while supposedly bringing core features from the history of the franchises, are adopting a Shooter base. Again, looking at the 2012 lineup according to Wikipedia, I find seven titles that I would consider to be shooters, out of a total of nineteen that have been dated. The balance is a bit more skewed there, but many of them are trying to set themselves out from the crowd.

I think that it is wrong for people to think that there are too many shooters. It's an idea brought about more by the popularity of such titles, and thus the media focus on them, rather than reality. I just hope that the consumer base diversifies over the next year so that we don't have to deal with a whole bundle of MoH2/Project IronWolf headlines and we can have a wider focus. Somehow, I truly do believe it will as people come to realise that Battlefield and CoD are NOT the pinnacle of what gaming has to offer and seek to expand their boundaries.
Peace.

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___________
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 3:40:12 AM
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there is a ridiculous over saturation of shooters, but gamers have NO ONE but themselves to blame!
as the saying goes, vote with your wallet!
shooters are the only ones bringing in massive sales so of course theres going to be a massive influx of them.
you really think ACR is going to sell 25+M units like MW3 will?
yea, good luck with that!

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sirbob6
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 3:40:37 PM

In the 4th quarter I only counted 5 shooters coming out. That really isn't and over saturation in my opinion.

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___________
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 @ 9:28:38 AM

5 shooters in the space of 6 weeks is not a over saturation?

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Zubair
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 4:06:22 AM
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Rage was terrible, Killzone 3 was awesome. MW3 should not disapoint like BF3.

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Ultimadesires
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 6:03:40 AM
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It's a valid argument though. 1st person shooters have become the dominant genre this generation. Hence the hord of them in the past 3 years. I can tolerate and even enjoy them if they as creative as Resistance or Bioshock. But Military shooters just don't do it for me.

Nor does the wasteland 1st person shooters either, you can try slap an RPG logo on it, but I am not convinced. Borderlands as absolutley no element of story, it's just a bunch of side missions slapped together to make a game. I loved Fallout 3, but this formular has become stale to me, so while Rage may even technically be a more impressive game, I'm just not interested.

Back in the day when Squaresoft was still around, RPG's were the spectacle, they were so grand and always pushed the console to the limit. Nowadays its action games like Uncharted (Which I have no beef with.) that are pushing the current gen to the limit. Would XIII have been a spectacle it the 360 had not restricted it, I knwo this has been debated to death, but apparently with XIII-2 they're limiting it to 1 360 disc with the lack of FMV's... just what is going on.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 6:34:45 AM
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Strangest thing is that I imagine things has turned for the *better* over the last couple of years. Maybe it's all in my head?
I remember back when I first got the ps3, I was surprised by the lack of most anything but more or less simple shooters.

Today we can enjoy a much wider variety of *quality* releases - plus the shooters themselves has become much, much better too. Imo it's a win/win.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, November 02, 2011 @ 5:47:03 AM

I think you may be right...at least this year.

My problem with the FPS "craze", besides my not liking them, is how (at least for a while) developers seemed to feel that they had to make nearly every new IP an FPS, even if that gameplay didn't really fit the IP (at one point, they were all sidescrollers).

Goldeneye is a perfect example: what does the Bond IP have to do with shooting hundreds of generic enemies?

But, as my example shows, this isn't a new phenomenon (especially for PC games)...it's just more apparent recently on consoles.

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Xzer0
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 6:35:17 AM
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Don´t care so much about shooter dominance, but I can say that I forgive Square Enix for FF XIII fail and say thanks for FF Type-0 (I got the japanese version and I do not undersant japanese, but I can say that game is da BOMB, the music, gameplay, and they brought chocobo farm back, where you can create a chocobos!!!!!, hell yeah a best handheld jrpg I say).
P.S And moogles are back too:) And you can change chracters in battle and every character is unique!! Famitsu gave to this game a 39/40.

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Xzer0
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 7:18:41 AM

And i forgot to tell you thath this game has a world map!!! YAy!!! I love this game!!

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 7:26:32 AM

If there's anything that'll redeem Square-Enix this generation, it'll be their portable games. I played the demo for Type-0 and, other than the wild camera, I enjoyed it a lot. I'm looking forward to its western release.

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Bjorn77
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 7:37:46 AM
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I wine about this:
"Game Critic" Sites who give Uncharted 3 a "5"!!

Are those guy's even serious? I played Uncharted for about 9 hours and I am amazed by how good it is. I am so mad about it... how can you grade a game like UC3 with a 5???? idiots

http://origin.avclub.com/articles/uncharted-3-drakes-deception,64220/

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:49:55 PM

Hits. Guarantee you'll get thousands of XBOT's running to that review. It's not even worth reading.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 2:11:32 PM

5 of... 6? 5? 10?
Anyway, AVClub is not even counted at Gamerankings. Ergo: Trash. :)

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 8:13:50 AM
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My problem is not fps's in general; it's the fact that all of them try to emulate COD. That gets frustrating.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 8:37:47 AM

Keep in mind that COD were not the beginning of that style fps either. They too emulate the earlier popular, pick-up-and-play style fps.

I guess it all started with Quake Arena...?

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:35:28 AM

I don't really feel like Quake's style is very similar to CoD.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:46:49 AM

No? Maybe that's why I suck in COD then, cause I play them pretty much like I played Quake/Unreal. :D
In my opinion deathmatch in COD is very "run&gun" like Quake.

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:54:40 AM

lol perhaps. The latest CoD has been out for over 6 months now, so unless you learn to exploit the mistakes in the programming, you won't be able to keep up with most people. I only ever play with a group of friends, so I continue to do well because I can rely on my friends to do certain things, like watch my back or let me know when someone is coming my way. We have a certain strategy for each map that just sort of... established itself.

I'm sure if I played on my own, I'd be terrible as well.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 10:34:30 AM

Aha you play real teamwork with friends then. Awesome. That's a totally different matter (although it must be said - some of the bigger Unreal clan servers with the different game modes were *very* strategic too).

I play mp mostly alone, usually the nobrainer free for all deathmatch/ctf styles. I enjoy it though! I even managed to get at a semi-skilled level in World At War, the last COD that I really enjoyed.

This year I've mostly played Crysis 2 mp, now *that* is a fun mp to play alone. Quite hard to handle, but fun still. Plus you are on your own. A man and his suit. :)

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:32:50 AM
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Well, Ben, while I understand that you appreciate even good titles and I understand your frustration with the repetitive complaints of FPS's from this community, I think the saturation of similar gameplay from shooters is a good enough reason to wonder how the saturation of shooters (there is a saturation, whether that's a good thing or not)has an effect on the industry.

You, yourself, have often wondered in editorials what has caused a more twitchy industry where only AAA, highly scored, or DLC originality succeeds.

Certainly, it is not necessarily shooters that are to blame for the need for the constant action more and more gamers seem to need. (And certainly, many admit to wanting something mindless when they wind down that they can just pick up and go with! Not a bad thing, necessarily, but it is the way it is) But, a shooter certainly lends itself to that mentality.

An excellent question to look into, is how well 8 and under scoring shooters sell, and how well 8 and under non-shooters sell. I think that will give a clear indication of how the generation is doing in terms of variety.

The other idea is to organize all 85% and higher scoring games and count the genres. I'm willing to bet there are more shooters scored highly than any other genre this generation. (Although I'd love to be wrong here, so if I am, please prove it to me.)

Anyways, Ben, I don't really care about whether or not there is "too many" shooters. But I do feel there's not enough variety beyond action and shooters. Certainly, PS3 owners are fortunate enough to have at least 1 AAA title from every genre (jRPG's is debatable, but I haven't really played anything else other than WKC2 over the last month and a half), but there aren't many.

Maybe you're right. There aren't too many shooters. Afterall, you can't have too many games. Especially good ones.

But there is definitely not enough of almost everything else. Especially of my favorite genre.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:06:25 PM

"The other idea is to organize all 85% and higher scoring games and count the genres."

Aha - interesting! The result is:
There are 29 85+ titles released for the ps3 this year, spread like this:

tps 111
Puzzle 111
RPG 1111
Platformer 11
Compilation 11
Sports 11111
Fighter 111
fps 1111
Stealth 1
rpg expansion 1

I wasn't really sure what to call Deus Ex so that's the "stealth" entry.
But based on this we all really should be furious about all the quality sports games being released instead!

(Source: Gamerankings)

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:13:50 PM

What's the compilation category? Is that like the God of War collection or ICO/SotC collections?

Anyways, it seems like the shooter/action categories are well liked, along with sports games. I'm assuming Heavy Rain and Catherine are two of the 3 puzzles you listed. The 2 platformers are likely LBP games.

None of the rpg's are jRPG's either. Even FFXIII scored under an 85%.

Thanks for taking the time to look that up, Beamboom.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:40:38 PM

Oh it was my pleasure, I love this kinda stuff. :)

But they are all releases this year. So no Heavy Rain. I also did an error: Limbo is a platformer, not a puzzle. So one less puzzle, one more platformer. The puzzles are Portal 2 and Stacking. The platformers are lbp2, Skylanders and Limbo.

You were right about the compilations, Ico & GoW origins. Catherine has a meta of 81% after 30 reviews so it's not included in the list.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 9:43:08 AM
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Guys, you know better than to respond to ban-dodgers and fanboys.

Deleted posts were all loaded with the name-calling and flaming that is strictly against our policy. He has a personal flame in every article; pathetic kids like him will be kept at arm's length. I won't read anything written in future posts; they'll just always be immediately deleted, as will the account and IP. So don't waste your typing fingers. :)

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 10:04:46 AM

Are we not supposed to reply to fanboys either? Oh boy, ain't many of us left then... ;)

/evil grin

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 10:13:53 AM

There are an extraordinarily small number of people I'd call fanboys in this community.

And if we want to keep it that way, the dregs of the Internet must always be eliminated. ;)

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 11:43:57 AM

Set phazers to kill!

(I don't know how to spell the second word. Not a trekkie.)

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:56:22 PM

@Under: That's "phasers" and "*ON* kill", dork. ;)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 2:44:27 PM

Is "phasers" even a real word?

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 3:13:49 PM

That's why I couldn't figure it out, Ben. Spell check doesn't give me any good suggestions for a change!

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 3:18:09 PM

Pfffft. You non-believers, I feel pity for you. Of *course* phaser is a word, the name of an object. What's next from you guys, that Ferengi, Vulcans and Romulans are no races either? Tsk tsk.

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Robochic
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 10:17:45 AM
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My problem is not with all FPS but just COD and Battlefield games its' the same game over and over again just different enviroments and more money to spend on DLC which for some reason those games always have a big amount of DLC could they not fit it on the disc?
I haven't played RE3 but really want too :)

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aaronisbla
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 2:34:43 PM

i dont think you've played much of battlefield series if you think its the same thing over and over again...

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duomaxwell007
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 10:38:39 AM
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yeah FPS may not pull out the highest review scores but they do get all the hype and talk like theyre the best games ever created and its annoying.. I mean look at the whole BF3 vs MW3 thing going on.. Ive never seen a Final fantasy vs dragon quest (for example) thing going on. Also I bet when UC3 comes out I wont see everyone on my friends list playing it it like i KNOW i will see when MW3 comes out. I mean ND said they wanted UC3 to be THE PS3 multiplayer so when ppl mention PS3 multiplayer they mention UC3... I just dont see that happening Im sure its never gonna pull the userbase/crowd that crap like MW3 or BF3 does. SO basically when the whole FPS are the greatest things ever and EVERYONE should get them trend dies then Ill stop complaining that theres too many... Id like RPGs to make a come back heh would be nice to see my whole friends list playing FF13-2, or FF14 (i was shocked to see 50% of my list playing WKC2 when it launched)

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eLLeJuss
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 12:14:04 PM
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There is a lot of hit non shooter games... But that doesn't change the fact that theres too many shooters.

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dork02840
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:08:44 PM
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ben, again you misconstrue my point. my point is that while there are key elements that are different, the forced tone and settings that developers drop us into within most FPS games is mostly the apocalypse or a WW3/iraq/afghanistan/terrorist plot. Homefront, COD, Battlfield beat those horses to death, so do lesser games like Rogue Warrior and Turning Point/Flashpoint. what my point is Ben is that the Doomsday WW3 genre used to belong to a more strategy based titles, or to Ace Combat or Desert Strike games. trust me as a child i looked for games that had that army man feel but without the doom n gloom overlay. the best result i found? General Chaos made by EA. I do not condemn FPS titles, i just loathe the sameness of the library that has come out since PS1. While yes Ben some variations contain a combat element...that in and of itself is fine. those involve real plot, storytelling...not some twisting of headlines and a re-enactment or rehash of what is currently at our local theater. for a time ben, specifically late xbox ps2/early ps3 days...before call of duty birthed MW1, and Halo was still groundbreaking...FPS were awful...cookie cutter WW2 games that were all scipted and offered the same basic plot over and over and over. this generation is currently a better crop of FPS, i will admit that. but i see more sequels...MW3, Halo 4/5, Resistance 3, killzone 3. now the marketing education i received i know that brand recognition is key as is name power and i get that. i just yearn for the days of doom and wolfenstein again, when monsters and zombies and BFGs ruled and there was a genuine element to the genre. instead, i roll my eyes at the ads on tv and i am treated to you standing on your soapbox, griping because your MB and comments are filled with a common complaint. i will not say i blame you for getting sick of it, and on one hand i commend you for telling people to stop griping and let their consumer voice be heard at the cashier checkout, but at the same time, i think we know what we want. i for one can say i have only owned 4 FPS this generation, MW1, bored me quickly and i found it glitchy. killzone 2, bulletstorm, andmy personal favorite of the generation, unreal tournament 3. but maybe this will shed some insight, even the newer batman titles bore me. unless its something retro like a fighting game, sports title, platformer, or something conceptually fresh like catherine, i get bored very easily with this generation, with the exception of uncharted 3.

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Underdog15
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:15:49 PM

wwaaaaaallllll-eeeeeeeee

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Beamboom
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:54:10 PM

@dork: Wow, Unreal 3 is your fav fps this gen? That's kinda... Hardcore, I think? Yeah, I think it is. Creds to you for playing Unreal on the ps3. That is cool.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 1:25:27 PM
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Alot of great games out there. Still like FPS games though, I just know that if I stick to playing shooters all the time I will get addicted and not play anything else. The Bioshock franchise is one of my favorite this gen. It's unique and different then the rest and of course it still has the shooting involved.

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dork02840
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 7:50:52 PM
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@beamboom...i dont see why it should be deamed hardcore. UT3 has this pick up and play addictive quality that i have yet to find in another shooter, and that includes COD and BF. the only game that comes close to the love affair i had with that was Killzone 2. But i sold 32 games straight up on craigslist last year, $250 bucks...met the guy at bald hill road best buy in warwick RI parking lot swapped games for cash. but yea, UT3 IMO is just sooo gratifying as a shooter. i will be the first to admit i was not very good, but there is something refreshing about a no frills, dive right in experience. killzone had that to an extent...but for some reason UT3 clicks with me the same way Vanquish does...that instant cheesy old school game plot...guns blazing...upgrade on the fly...no need for buying points or experience points like in borderlands...there is something to be said for that. and the older i get, the more i see certain genres getting overly flashy and complex. i will be the first to admit as well that in some genres none of that matters, like in uncharted 2. if the polish is there and the gameplay draws you in...everything else is gravy. i just find most FPS especially to be monotonous. like i posted earlier, i mainly stick to platformers, fighters, racers(but less then i used to), the occasional puzzle game like catherine...sports titles. not a fan of RPG at all i say that with certainty. i think the last ps3 game i totally beat was heavy rain, and i hated that it was so short and all of its appeal was in its "replay appeal". as a consumer, why pay 60 bucks on something they are banking on you paying for again? whatever happened to rewarding someone after beating a game and being given extra lives, powers, new characters...some of that has gone the way of DLC. call me small minded, i dont care. but i just know what i like. ive been a gamer since i was in grade school, im 31 now. none of this makes me more qualified than the next person to speak on any given topic, but i felt bens tone in this one was off. i read the article and it wreaked of cheap plugs and whining. i felt the need to speak up.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 @ 9:12:52 AM

That's all cool, I love Unreal too, for the reasons you mention. There is indeed something about the dive in experience. Something raw about it.

It's just that I so totally associate Unreal with PC gaming (ergo mouse/keyboard type of play) even though I own Unreal 3 for ps3 as well. I've just never heard about a ps3 gamer mentioning U3 as their fav fps.
But yeah, Unreal 3 is a really cool multiplayer game. Man all this talk about U3 made me wanna go back to that game again, I've not played it in ages!

But speaking of FPS I just *have* to ask: Did you ever try Crysis 2 multiplayer? It's a more complicated gameplay than Unreal, but still, there is something about that game that gives me the same kind of thrill as I experienced in Unreal back when I was a PC gamer. Something undefinable. If you got the chance some day you should give it a chance!

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dork02840
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 7:50:53 PM
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@beamboom...i dont see why it should be deamed hardcore. UT3 has this pick up and play addictive quality that i have yet to find in another shooter, and that includes COD and BF. the only game that comes close to the love affair i had with that was Killzone 2. But i sold 32 games straight up on craigslist last year, $250 bucks...met the guy at bald hill road best buy in warwick RI parking lot swapped games for cash. but yea, UT3 IMO is just sooo gratifying as a shooter. i will be the first to admit i was not very good, but there is something refreshing about a no frills, dive right in experience. killzone had that to an extent...but for some reason UT3 clicks with me the same way Vanquish does...that instant cheesy old school game plot...guns blazing...upgrade on the fly...no need for buying points or experience points like in borderlands...there is something to be said for that. and the older i get, the more i see certain genres getting overly flashy and complex. i will be the first to admit as well that in some genres none of that matters, like in uncharted 2. if the polish is there and the gameplay draws you in...everything else is gravy. i just find most FPS especially to be monotonous. like i posted earlier, i mainly stick to platformers, fighters, racers(but less then i used to), the occasional puzzle game like catherine...sports titles. not a fan of RPG at all i say that with certainty. i think the last ps3 game i totally beat was heavy rain, and i hated that it was so short and all of its appeal was in its "replay appeal". as a consumer, why pay 60 bucks on something they are banking on you paying for again? whatever happened to rewarding someone after beating a game and being given extra lives, powers, new characters...some of that has gone the way of DLC. call me small minded, i dont care. but i just know what i like. ive been a gamer since i was in grade school, im 31 now. none of this makes me more qualified than the next person to speak on any given topic, but i felt bens tone in this one was off. i read the article and it wreaked of cheap plugs and whining. i felt the need to speak up.

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DemonNeno
Monday, October 31, 2011 @ 8:21:34 PM
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Agreed.

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dork02840
Thursday, November 03, 2011 @ 7:38:38 PM
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i have not tried crysis 2 beamboom. i tried deus ex on a redbox rental, wasnt my cup of tea. neither was Rage, although i found it visually stunning. im a hard nut to crack; i love for a game to have shock value ala Doom but not outright scary like Rage or RE or DMC. I also prefer a somewhat sci fi element to the plot, it helps the immersion for me as a gamer. on a personal note, i work on a naval base, so perhaps this is why i get sick of the military concepts of MW and Battlefield and the like....i hear enough about war and chain of command at work...dealing with it when i am trying to relax just does not work most of the time.

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