5 Years Of PS3, Top 5 Exclusives

Twistedfloyd
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:21:03 PM
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Great list. I disagree with U3 and U2 ahead of MGS4 as U3 was a much more flawed (yet still awesome) installment. And I'm not a GT fan. Realistic racing games are not my bag. Respect it though. Kudos on the Heavy Rain mention. While I liked GOW III a lot, it was my least favorite of the series.

I'd go:

1. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
2. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
3. Heavy Rain
4. Little Big Planet
5. inFamous

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:01:54 AM

love your pic, salute the boss from big boss :D

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 11/18/2011 12:02:26 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:12:44 AM

I fail to see how Uncharted 3 is "flawed" at all, but whatever. :)

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5TAY3R
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 5:42:17 AM

Imho PS3 has achieved what no other console in the gaming history did, it had such an awful start yet it's my choice of console this gen (yep, 360 aint bad either, but just falls short when it comes to exclusives), it's been pleasure visiting this website every single day for the past 3 years, Ben is heavily influential in my game buying decision, his reviews are some of the best in the industry
My top 5:
1) Uncharted 2
2) Gran Turismo 5
3) Valkyrie Chronicles
4) Lil Big Planet
5) MGS4

These are all awesome games, and all are equally sublime, soo just ignore their numerical number beside them

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SvenMD
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:00:41 AM

I really don't understand how Uncharted 3 was "much more flawed" either?

I'd like to know what you saw that was different than what I saw.

5 up, 2 down

5TAY3R
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:40:24 AM

3 thumbs down for what?

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Shams
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:51:56 AM

Yes, aside from Drake's new found love of wall-touching, I didn't either. I'd say Deception was visually more astounding (graphically and set pieces) while Uncharted 2 was more refined story wise, telling a more poignant tale.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 10:37:48 AM

I can't believe people are acting like Drake interacting with his surroundings is a flaw. Seriously it's something that we don't see in video games and it's an amazing achievement. It literally adds so much more to the realism, and really shows how much work ND puts into there games.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 10:39:24 AM

Uncharted 3 didn't feel as complete and coherent as Uncharted 2. The story for UC3 was just all over the place. I only realized this when I played it the second time with my friend watching.

I'm not saying it is a bad game, not at all, it was still fun to play. But thats the problem. I don't play uncharted for gameplay, not that the gameplay has ever been bad, but I play uncharted for a really good story. In my opinion UC3s story went know where. It felt more like they made the set pieces and then plugged in the elements, where UC2 felt like everything transitioned nicely one to the next.

Story wise, the villains in 3 were not well fleshed out, and you see them a handful of times. What was the relationship between marlowe and talbot. Why did they actually want what was in the atlantis of the sands? They already had hallucinogens so why did they need that particular one? Instead of hiring an army that knows nothing about self preservation, they could have hired the best chemists to make the most insanely powerful hallucinogen ever. No instead they go on a wild goose chase looking for something that might not exist to get a hallucinogen for something that judging from what it did to cutter and drake already worked darn fine.

That is only one of the many other small flaws with UC3. Others include, the cut and past feeling some of the set pieces had like how the last level in UC2 and 3 was escaping from a crumbling lost city. The horse scene reminded me of something else in uc2 where you were car hopping the army convoy I think?

The boat level had no real impact on the story and only served as a set piece, after the boat sinks hes back at square one.

But the biggest and I mean the BIGGEST complaint that makes all of those insignificant by comparison was the desert scene.

Oh boy, so Drake crashes a plane and wanders through the desert for at least 2 nights, so we can assume three days. He doesn't have water and is complaining about it the whole time. Then he finds the ruins and is looking for water, meanwhile he is still climbing and jumping just fine....listen I've been doing parkour and gymnastics and martial arts for about 15 years, and him being that dehydrated and parkouring around so easily.. please.

Now I know that you don't need to eat and drink in most games but, why didn't Naughty dog go anywhere with this? Finding water should have been a gameplay element. Wouldn't it have been awesome and funny if drake snuck up on a guard with a water bottle stealthed him and drank the water before he could maneuver like normal again? Or perhaps he has to clumsily fight his way from bad guy to bad guy searching for a canister with water in it?

Heck at the very least when he slammed through the door and saw the guy drinking water he should have knocked him out grabbed the gun and the water taken cover took a swig and said something witty.

I expect to get flamed, but if you actually pay attention to UC3 there are some flaws with it. I think UC2 is the better game, both in locations and fluidity. UC3 about an 8.5 UC2 10 as I played it straight for 2 days and platinumed it.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:18:27 PM

Only once did I experience a problem in UC3. I got stuck in a wall and couldn't move. Had to restart the checkpoint. Aside from that hiccup, it's been near perfect for me.

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Jawknee
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:55:56 PM

I quite liked the desert sequence. Not quite sure why you think you need to be so sarcastic about it. Sounds like you're nitpicking to me xenris. It's a pretty stupid thing to complain about to be quite honest.

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Riku994
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:35:02 PM
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I still say Uncharted 2 was a bit better than Uncharted 3... I have reviews for both, if you wanna read them.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:41:02 PM

I kinda agree an I kinda don't. It's weird. There were times when playing 3 that I thought to myself 2 was better but over all 3 just seems better.

Last edited by Jawknee on 11/17/2011 9:41:18 PM

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:29:19 PM

I personally like Drakes Fortune the best. But I the quality of 2 and 3 is just insane. They are epic in every way.

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SvenMD
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:03:39 AM

I agree with bigrailer that 2 and 3 are both epic, and I think 3 added just enough to make excellent improvements without taking away from the core of uncharted. But I think the story-telling in 3 is phenomenal, and it really does play out even more like a movie - which is insane to play.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:39:54 PM
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I'd replace Heavy Rain with inFamous 1 and 2.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:57:29 PM

Heavy Rain has to stay on the list though.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:59:48 PM

Nah, It was a fantastic game, don't get me wrong. I just had a lot more fun with inFamous.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:09:21 PM

Heavy Rain is nothing without the Move! It adds to the experience. I prefer Heavy Rain with Move over inFamous 2, otherwise, inFamous 2 over Heavy Rain.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:16:25 PM

You can use Move with Festival of Blood.

inFamous is definitely more "fun" than Heavy Rain, but no game has ever given me that kind of tense feeling before. Personally I'd dump Gran Turismo but that's just cuz driving games don't matter to me at all.

8 up, 2 down

Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:47:32 PM

I bought Festival of Blood but have yet to play it. I meant to play it on Halloween but there are just to many other games. Gonna try and finish up my newest play though of MGS4 before Skyward Sword arrives then maybe I'll get around to Festival of Blood when I take a break from Skyward Sword.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:08:09 PM

Heavy Rain was indeed a great game but I had the urge to stop once in a while to play something else with more action in it.

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SoulController
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:47:56 PM
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This has to be 10 exclusive games. I'd squeeze in Demon Souls, Infamous 2, LBP 1&2 and the Killzone's for their unmatched polish.

Thank you sony for your unmatched gaming quality

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:48:05 PM
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Valkyria Chronicles is in my top 5 exclusives.

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:51:16 PM
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I value these exclusives the most:

Not in any particular order.
MGS4
GT5
Infamous 2
Ratchet: CiT
Uncharted2&3

Motorstorm almost made it.
GoW4 will have a strong chance, but because I preferred GoW2 over GoW3 I have a hard time wanting GoW3 in my top 5.
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 doesn't really count because it's mostly a multi-plat. It'd be like calling Oblivion for PS3 an exclusive. well, sort of.
I admired HR more than I actually want to play it. I recognize it's greatness, though.

Because I like to be poop head man here's my 360 favs.

Bayonetta (do shut up =p it basically is)
Gears 3
Doa4
Halo's
Mass Effect

Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/17/2011 9:52:26 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:13:58 PM

GOWII was definitely better, which was why I was a bit disappointed with GOWIII. I think most people let the awesome graphics fool them on that one.

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hellish_devil
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:38:46 PM

I like GOW I more than II. Yeah, I'm weird.

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Shams
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:56:40 AM

Yay for Ratchet!

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telly
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:01:49 PM

GOW I and II were just astoundingly great, whereas III was just an ok conclusion to the trilogy (with utterly fantastic graphics.) I think II, in particular, is just one of the best action games I've ever played. Holds up remarkably well to this day.

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ulsterscot
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:55:05 PM
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UC
KZ
Resistance
Infamous

v

only Gears & Halo

PS3 comes out tops - but you need both machines as Gears and Halo are exellent too

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:07:24 PM

Halo was cool 10 years ago.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:23:28 PM

Halo was cool?

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hellish_devil
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:39:59 PM

Halo LAN parties are cool. Yeah, me and my Xbots friends still do that.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:47:50 PM

Kinda cool...lol

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telly
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:05:26 PM

Honestly, no disrespect to anyone who still loves it but Halo is SO played right now. I really hope they re-think the gameplay significantly for Halo 4 because while I had an OK playing through Reach, 3 and ODST, it just hasn't had that magic feeling since the first game, IMHO.

Gears of War and Mass Effect were the two exclusives that drove me to pick up a 360 one cold and lonely january a few years back. ME is now on PS3, so to me, Gears is the only exclusive that really stands out on 360. And while I liked Gears 3 quite a lot, and the new horde multiplayer is SERIOUSLY fun, that series also seems to have run its course. Will be really interested to see how and if Cliffy B and Epic Games can keep it fresh moving forward. As Final Fantasy proves, nothing good lasts forever...

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sirbob6
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:56:25 PM
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For me personally:

5. inFamous 2/3
4. Heavy Rain
3. Dark/Demon's Souls
2. MGS4
1. R&C: ACiT

Last edited by sirbob6 on 11/17/2011 9:58:14 PM

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hellish_devil
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:40:32 PM

Tools of Destruction was better.

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sirbob6
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:01:30 PM

The space exploration, the mods, and the RYNO V( IV was more powerful but the 1812 Overture was just so epic) in combination with the story put ACiT above ToD for me.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

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hellish_devil
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:27:33 PM

I did not like the space exploration. It was good, but nothing special. Then, exploring these little planets was tedious, with really simple plataforming.

I also think the fact that Tools of Destruction was my first R&C makes it my favorite.

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Fane1024
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:30:08 AM

You've played inFAMOUS 3? Can I borrow it?

;P

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Shams
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:57:38 AM

Yay for Ratchet, again!

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sirbob6
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:51:57 PM

@ Fane1024,

Sorry I can't let you play 3 right now. You don't know how much Sly Cooper skills I had to exploit to steal it. But I must say, it is by far the best in the series.

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godsman
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 9:58:14 PM
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Installing between each chapter in MGS4 really interrupts the gameplay. That was my only complaint and only reason I cannot give it a second play through

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:06:22 PM
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MGS4 has to be #1 no doubt. UC2/3 over MGS? I'd play Metal Gear Solid over UC2/3 any day of the year!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:12:27 PM

but does that make it better?

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:23:46 PM

IDK... does it have to?

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:45:06 PM

Well that's what your arguing...

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Warrior Poet
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:07:44 PM
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I thought inFamous wasn't impressive compared to what Sucker Punch has done before (namely Sly 2). Anyway, where's Valkyria Chronicles? That game was way better than God of War. It's not very well known, though :P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:12:08 PM

VC is very good, but it isn't quite the achievement that GOWIII was, nevermind how different they are.

And Cole > Sly

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Warrior Poet
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:29:01 PM

Even if you somehow don't like Sly, you have to admit his girlfriend is better :P

"She's so beautiful when she's angry..."

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:10:48 PM
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I just can't put a list together, they are all so good. I wish I could enjoy MGS with you guys but I just can't get into it.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:26:11 PM

Play MGS1, then the HD Collection in order then MGS4. I highly suggest it. You will like it one way or another.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:58:05 PM

He has MGS4 and tried to play it a few times. He just couldn't get into it from what I remember.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:12:00 AM

I played MGS1 way back in the day, it was cool and all but I dunno it just didn't grab me and 4 didn't either.

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:12:26 PM
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Cheaters!!! LOL jk, but gran turismo 5 has no place of being there on my opinion.

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Dridion
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:18:05 PM
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HMM let me chime in

1.MGS4
2.GoW3/Uncharted
3.Demon Souls
4.GT5
5.InFamous

And there are many many more that could take the next top 5...love Sony and happy b-day PS3!

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:25:28 PM
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Absolutely great list. Every title on it is special and reasons why I don't have a 360.

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hellish_devil
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:36:57 PM
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My number one is Valkyria Chronicles. Best game this gen.

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 10:40:32 PM
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1.Heavy Rain
2.Uncharted
3.MGS4
4.GOW 3
5.Gran Turismo 5
Heavy Rain deserves to be number one. Although it was not a perfect game like Uncharted, it provided an unprecedented cinematic experience with a plot so deep and thought provoking that Uncharted just cannot achieve. Heavy Rain made me to question the origin of my values and the fallibilities of these values. No game has stricken me to such an extent not just emotionally, but intellectually. It is truly the best game ever made.

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Pandacastro
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:29:33 PM
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1. MGS4
2.U2
3.Littlebigplanet 2
4.Infamous 2
5.U3
Thats my opinion though. I plan to get VC, 3D dot game hero, Demons soul, heavy rain, R3, R&C games, and Rune factory: tides of destiny.

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CanadianGuy420
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:36:28 PM
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hate to sound so cliché but...
1 metal gear solid 4.
2 heavy rain.
3-5 uncharted games.
with honorable mentions going out to infamous 1 & 2.

Last edited by CanadianGuy420 on 11/17/2011 11:38:34 PM

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eee
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:39:24 PM
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1) Demon's Souls
2) Heavy Rain
3) MGS4
4) Uncharted 2
5) Sports Champions (duel)

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matt99
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:42:44 PM
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I think the games that were left off this list is a testament to how many great exclusives the ps3 has.

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Gordo
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:54:18 PM
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Good list...

Agree with that. Would add Demon's Souls, Valkyria Chronicles and Killzone 2 and 3 to the list.

That's a bucket full of gaming joy just there!

Wouldn't swap any of those for an Xbox exclusive...

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souljah92
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 11:57:06 PM
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my whole page is xbox ads lmao

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:04:05 AM
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my top 5:

1. Metal Gear Solid 4
2. Uncharted 2
3. Uncharted 3
4. Heavy Rain
5. Demon Souls

Last edited by BigBoss4ever on 11/18/2011 12:04:19 AM

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DarthSayver21
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:32:43 AM
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i hardly post but i had to express my top 5.

5.)GoW3
4.)LBP 1./.2
3.)infamous 1./.2
2.)Uncharted 2./.3
1.)MGS4./.GT5 (cant decide)

[Honorable mentions]
3D Dot Game Heroes
Heavenly Sword
Killzone 2./.3
Demon's Souls
(i was thinking if i should add the ps2 HD collection but in the end didnt)

Side Note: I had to stop myself from putting GTAIV on my number 2 spot and bumping off GoW3 from my top 5 'exclusive' ps3 games. i know its multi but unlike so many here i LOVE GTAIV more than any previous installments, and it easily took a very special place in my heart. just like MGS3: Subsistence and MGS4: Guns of the La-le-lolalelu....dammit!!! lol

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AshT
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:43:55 AM
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1. Uncharted
2. Heavy Rain
3. GOW 3
4. LBP
5. Infamous

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Dancemachine55
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 1:22:52 AM
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Finding the Top 5 exclusives for 360's 5 year anniversary would've been the easiest thing, and most likely the same choices across the board.

360: Halo (Duh!), Gears of War, Forza Motorsport, Fable and Alan Wake.

PS3: Any of the following deserve a top 5 placement - Metal Gear Solid, Heavy Rain, God of War, Uncharted, Resistence, Littlebig Planet, Killzone, Modnation Racers, Infamous, Gran Turismo, Valkyria Chronicles, Motorstorm and Demon's Souls.

Let's not forget the incredible 3rd party multiplat games available on PS3 as well, like Assassin's Creed, Dead Space, Batman Arkham City, Battlefield 3, Call of Duty and Portal 2!!

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Kratoskillall09
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:03:57 AM
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Don't post on here often but I just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

5.Heavy Rain
4.Infamous 2
3.Uncharted 2
2.Resistance 3
1.God of War 3

Wish I could add Bioshock to that list. Still the best FPS I've ever played. Honorable mention to Littlebigplanet 1+2 and Killzone 2+3. Also can't forget to mention Uncharted 1+3. There are just too many games to list. Thanks for all the great games Sony.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:45:32 AM

Now THIS is a list I can relate to. Never played GoW but the rest of the list is probably how I would rate them too - in that order even.
And you even mention BioShock, *the* best fps ever!

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___________
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:31:51 AM
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heavy rain always has been and always will be the best ps3 exclusive ever released!
besides that, only infamous, MGS4 and R&C i could mention.
been plenty of decent ps3 exclusives, but nothing you would put in the history books like what the ps1 had with like crash, spyro, RE, or ps2 had with sly, J&D, GTA and R&C.
ps1 and 2 had a FAR better lineup!

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:42:31 AM

But that's because there were far more exclusive titles back in the ps1/ps2 era, wasn't it?

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___________
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:09:06 AM

no, no i meant they had a far better lineup because they had far better games, not because they had more.
as i was saying there were so many series for both that went down in the history books and will be remembered as the best IPs ever created!
only new IPs created this gen that could hold a candle to crash, or spyro, or R&C.
would be obviously AC, DS, portal, maybe uncharted, heavy rain, ME, bioshock.
may of left a few out, but point is ps1 and ps2 had far more memorable franchises then this gen has had.
even series that have been brought back this gen were better last gen.
SOCOM, R&C, crash, spyro, bond, harry pothead, ect, ect.

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Zubair
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:04:00 AM
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KILLZONE 3!

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Rogueagent01
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:04:33 AM
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1. MGS4
2. Valkyria Chronicles
3. Yakuza 3 & 4 (probably include 5 come march)
4. MAG
5. Heavy Rain

Demons Souls is nearly tied to be in the 5th slot for me.

Each of these games have 1 or more special qualities about them and each offer a unique or inspiring way to play them that make them my top 5.

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:11:01 AM
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based on playing time, I have to put WKC 1 & 2 in there as well.

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:39:29 PM

Downvoted by 5 losers for liking a game that they don't like? Impressive.

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:52:40 PM

Oh, for those that bitch and moan about WKC2s graphics. Try this. I was sitting in someone's custom Georama looking at a building when I noticed that there was a lantern hanging from the building that was swaying gently in the wind. Then I noticed that the glass in the lantern was properly transparent and lensing the background behind it. The background was another building and the brickwork was slightly magnified as it might be with a lantern, and the dynamically generated shadows on the building were also visible through the lantern glass, still moving appropriately, and let's not forget the dust in the wind in the foreground as well, and everything else in motion. In short, the next person that complains about the graphics in the game being somehow inferior is simply talking through their arse. The quality and technical achievement of the graphics is very subjective, and you see what you want to see. If you are looking for reasons to say it's poor, you can find things to pick on, if you're being objective, you can find lots to like.

Defensive of the game? Me? Yes, you betcha, after the crap that's unjustly and wrongly been thrown at it, you betcha.

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:21:59 AM

The art style doesn't look like real life and isn't cell shaded to remind us of the art style, so it's automatically got bad graphics. *rolls eyes*

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:34:05 AM
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As expected my top 5 list would have been entirely different than the majority of you guys. no surprises there :D

I would *have* to have InFamous (at least one of them) and Resistance 3 on the list. I've never liked driving simulators and MGS is one giant mystery to me.

But the funniest thing is that I too would put Heavy Rain on the list, despite the fact that I did not like the game at all. It just were such a unique title.

Last edited by Beamboom on 11/18/2011 3:41:25 AM

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aaronisbla
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:08:32 AM
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still have yet to even try heavy rain. one day i guess

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 6:44:48 AM

it's going on sale black friday for 15 bucks. that's an amazing deal.

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:52:59 PM

And a reason to snap it up quick.

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 6:43:46 AM
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mines are

MGS4
UC2
Heavy Rain
inFamous 2
Killzone 2

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 6:46:44 AM
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it's great we have so many exclusives to choose from. This gen sony has worked harder than ever before.

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JustThatGamer
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:10:17 AM
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1) God of War III
2) LittleBigPlanet
3) ?
4) ?
5) ?

God of War III was easily the best in the series, I'll never understand why hardcore gamer nerds always penalise sequels to successful games even when they're clearly better. The funny thing is, the majority of people agree with me, just look at the polls on the God of War fan page on Facebook, http://www.facebook.com/godofwar.page?sk=questions

Loved LittleBigPlanet, it's a great game. Love its style, the online, the create and share and how unique and innovative it was back in 2008.

I can't think of another 3 exclusives to put on that list. I hated MGS4, don't like the Uncharted series at all, Heavenly Sword sucked, Infamous series is mediocre, GT5 was an unfinished mess, don't like R&C, Resistance series is mediocre and Killzone 2 sucked. I have yet to play Heavy Rain and Killzone 3 so they could make it in my top 5, for now I'll leave it at 2.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 10:42:31 AM

I enjoyed your comment, I even agree with you about GoW3. But then I kept reading and I lost all interest in what you were saying.

Those are all such great games that you literally slammed, saying Heavenly Sword sucked as well as KZ2. But your opinion is your own.

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:20:10 AM
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looks like I have a stealth down voter, smh.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:34:55 AM
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My top 5 exclusives:
1. Uncharted 3
2. MGS4
3. Killzone 3
4. Heavy Rain
5. Demon's Souls

These were close to making the top 5
6. Uncharted 2
7. Uncharted
8. Gran Turismo 5
9. inFAMOUS (Haven't played 2 yet, but own it)
10.God of War 3

What a great console! Thanks for many great years of gaming Sony!

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tontus
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:37:19 AM
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Exclusives:
1) God of War III
2) LittleBigPlanet 1&2
3) Infamous 1&2
4) Killzone 2&3
5) Resistance 1&2&3
Including non-exclusives:
1) God of War III
2) Mass Effect 2
3) Bioshock
4) Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
5) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

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CrusaderForever
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 1:21:20 PM

Here is my top 10 multi platform releases:
1. Castlevania Lords of Shadow
2. Dead Space 1 and 2
3. Batman Arkham Asylum and City
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Portal 2
6. Mass Effect 2
7. LA Noire
8. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim
9. Bioshock
10.Dark Souls

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:04:26 PM

Is the topic top 10 multiplats now? Great! :)

My top ten:

1. Mass Effect 2
2. BioShock
3. Skyrim
4. Fallout 3
5. Crysis 2
6. Dragon Age: Origins
7. Saints Row The Third
8. Burnout Paradise
9. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
10 Rage

That's some *serious* quality gaming right there. And the most amazing thing is that half the titles on the list are released this year. Obviously I must have forgotten some older titles but still: 2011 is insane!

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Dustinwp
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:07:08 AM
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My list goes,

1.Uncharted series
2.God of War III
3.Ratchet & Clank Future trilogy
4.Metal Gear Solid 4
5.inFAMOUS series

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Steve_Fox
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:18:03 AM
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good list but id put metal gear solid 4 1st

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Sandtech
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:18:48 AM
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Demon's Souls has to be on this list.

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Twistedfloyd
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:35:31 AM
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@ Ben

Uncharted 3 for me is flawed because of the pacing. Doesn't have the same crisp and picture perfect pacing as U2 did. Puzzles are really stacked in there in the first half of the game, doesn't have a good rhythm.

Characters are forced into the story line and/or don't make a big impact to the game like Chloe and Cutter.

Retread scenarios of Uncharted 2 like the ending and the caravan sequence.

Disjointed desert sequence.

Spiders are pointless and make me think of the Mummy's scarabs. Does nothing to add to the story.

Weak ending to last chapter. Another Deus Ex Machina scenario.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 10:00:48 AM

He's right. Uncharted 2 has much better pacing. UC2 has the pacing of a movie (even though it was 12 hours long, that's what made it so brilliant), UC3 has more pacing of a game. As said in Twistedfloyd's review, lightning cant strike twice. I admire ND for trying but there was no way they were gunna make a game like UC2, in any regard. I will say that some elements were definatly better, such as the lighting and the overall graphics. I actually disagree about the characters, I think they were even better this time round and ND have really gotten good at the whole character development thing. But it just doesn't live up to the standards of UC2, which isn't exactly a bad thing is it? Uncharted 3 is still the most impressive thing I've played all year by miles, I won't take that away from it. But even me, a die-hard uncharted fan has to admit that UC2 is the better game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 10:04:25 AM

Sounds to me you're just looking for reasons reasons to have problems. I mean, anybody could easily turn all those complaints the other way-

In the first three hours, I think I remember two puzzles. I don't think that was any different in U2.

Characters don't seem "forced" anywhere. They have to introduce new ones and keep old ones. Chloe didn't have any real impact in U2, either, besides being a possible love interest for Drake. At the start of U2, she just wanders in at the start for no apparent reason, which could easily be considered forcing a character into the plot.

I can't really find any review anywhere that says Naughty Dog flat-out recycled scenes from Uncharted 2. So I don't think I get the "retread" comment, either.

Spiders? ...really? You have a problem with something this trivial? Doesn't that mean you'd have a problem with basically every single game on earth?

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing anything that isn't either a huge stretch (apparently, just for the sake of the stretch) or entirely subjective on your part. It's odd that the only real potential issue which critics and gamers have touched upon - a change in the mechanics - isn't mentioned at all.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:00:13 AM

I'm sorry but how can you not see the similarities between UC2 and UC3 at the end? Find a lost city, fight some baddies that take impossible amount of bullets (that gets explained by way of a certain substance rich within the city), and espcially the last bit where you have to save a certain somebody by shooting 'that guy' (no spoilers of course) in much the same fashion as UC2, when you save chloe right at the end.

I mean, re-using ideas from a game that has won so many GOTY's, your hardly gunna do yourself much harm. But the fact is it does.

About the spiders - I wasn't too fussed about them, I like having that supernatural element, it creates a bit of intrigue.

Last thing, the change in the mechanics - and by that I think you mean the aiming - was something I definatly noticed and am eagerly awaiting the patch. I mean, it DOES make the game harder in a good way; UC2 was too easy in this regard, you could take down enimies so easily. But it does get annoying when your trying to line up a shot and you cant even go directional. I got used to it though, as I'm sure most people who botherd to play through the game more than once did too.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:06:10 AM

Ben play UC2 and then play UC3 and youll have a little dejavu. Of course some things are subjective like not liking spiders etc. But honestly I love the Uncharted franchise and UC3 left me a little confused. It wasn't a satisfying story, and had a very poor ending.

Hes not stretching it for the sake of stretching it. A lot of people have these complaints about UC3s story elements not being as fluid and UC2s. Mainly the pacing of everything. I just find it funny when someone criticizes something, people say they are doing it just for the sake of doing it, or to be a hipster.

There are some SERIOUS plot problems with UC3 read my reply at the top and you will see them. I played the game twice once alone and once with my friend watching all the cutscenes both times. My friend is a little critical on movies but the second time we both were usually questioning, why did they do that if they could clearly just do this? Or what was the point of that? UC2 floored me, UC3 was just a pleasant ride so long as I didn't think of the story which for an uncharted game is blasphemy.

Its still probably an 8.5 to us, but not a 10 like UC2 is to us :)

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:06:20 AM

Twisted-

Its strange as I was reading your comment, I was racking my brain trying to wrap my head around what you were saying. I can't figure out where your getting this stuff or what game you played. It's obvious we went playing the same game. ;)

I don't see how you could say the desert scene was disjointed. It was brilliant, vast, completely unexpected and led into one of the best parts of the game.

As for the spiders, I don't see why that would be any kind of complaint, all I can do is laugh. That's a far stretch there. Comparing them to the scarabs in the mummy seems like your way of trying to justify something... But what?

The pacing in U3 is unbelievable. It's pacing is done so well that they made the distinction back to when Drake was young, and blended it perfectly into the story. The puzzles were never bunched up at one point and they are spread out even better than in 2 not to mention there were more. I kept waiting for more puzzles in 2 and when I finally got to one the game had to slow way down, btw I never faulted it for that and never complained either. But after playing 3 I realized how well they put space in-between each puzzle but kept the pacing at a point that the game has greater flow to it than most any game you'll play!

the characters all have a very significant role in the story. I don't think Chloe and Cutter are in the story to make a big impact. They are there because they (ND) had a way of telling their story up to a certain point which did have an impact on how the story played out. Sully and Elena had huge impacts on the game and how the story played out in particular. For you to not see that only tells me you didn't really follow the story.

I think your trying to come up with reasons of your own, so you can justify MGS4 being at number 1. Which is something I completely understand as it's a fantastic game, all the MGS games are. I respect your opinions but I can't agree with them. But I will say both games are masterpieces and will go down as 2 of the greatest games ever.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:16:50 AM

Xenris-

I don't think floyd is stretching it just to stretch it. I think hes trying to express why MGS4 should and is his number 1 which is fine. But to me and how I feel isn't the same.

I think it's funny you and your friend who is "a little critical of movies" are criticizing Naughty Dogs story telling. Amy Hennig is a brilliant writer and puts most Hollywood writing to shame. Every Uncharted game tells a story in a way thats so relatable yet very engaging that not many things compare. That's because of the writing and many people will tell you this. Not to mention being critical of movies is easy, most story telling in movies isn't very compelling.

If U3 didn't live up to your expectations or you didn't like it as much as U2 that's fine. But to try and diminish what it accomplished well that's what is "Blasphemy."

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:19:30 PM

Pacing is extraordinarily subjective. UC2 was traditional mainstream, designed to please a wide group of people with a simple movie premise. It was simple-minded in some cases, even.

UC3 tries to do something a little different with the story. Just because you don't like it doesn't really mean much about the writing or the style.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:25:51 PM

I'm going to disagree with any point about story pacing, useless characters, or elements that people say are "plot holes".

Just because you lack the experience in storytelling or theatre to notice things like foreshadowing, character quips that tell you more about people than the narrative, or can't understand a character, doesn't mean they were useless.

Chloe, for example, even throughout UC2, ALWAYS tries to bail out when the situation gets dicey. She was all up and ready to let lazarovic rule the world, afterall, just to make sure she lived.

The only thing that wasn't appropriately covered was the spiders. Their purpose was quite clear, and they foreshadowed the spider's existence more than 3 times before they become a danger to you. They just didn't explain where they came from and why they can be found remotely at completely different parts of the world.

Other than that, if anyone thinks there is a plot hole in UC3, it's your own inability to follow a story without handholding. (And also, you don't know the meaning of plot and how it differs from Story... but that's for another conversation, and I know what you mean by saying plot holes... you're just don't know what a plot is.)

Long story short... the story didn't do anything wrong. It just wasn't, as Ben said, a strict Hollywood ideal to how a production should be paced.

But some of the things are hard to pick up on if you only play through once. As for me, I've spent time analyzing the story. (I can't help it... I'm a theatre major... Sometimes it can even cause me to not enjoy something I otherwise would...) So tell you what... you tell me what you think is a plot hole... and I will respond with an explanation. k?

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 1:51:39 PM

@Underdog,
That's what I'm saying, the writing/narrative is as good as ever, even better in some cases. But this has to be married with the pacing of the game, if one doesn't live up to the other, it falls apart. ND openly admit they come up with set-pieces/enviroments before they make the story to make sense of their exsistance. It just sometimes feels that you get thrown into some things without any real anticipation.

For example, when going from Yemen to the ship yard. Beforehand, you had just done some puzzles to slow down the pace. Then a cutscene which seperates you from sully for a long time, then a chasing somebody for no apparant reason (why him? I'm sure he has more rage pointed at marlowe than anybody) before quickly transitioning to the ship yard. It doesn't quite mold together as perfectly as it did in Uncharted 2. It's something you can't explain...but playing it didn't feel quite as cohesive as UC2. Granted, as Ben says, the story tries to go into different directions (like the physcological aspect), but I still think it could've been handled better.

Also, most plot-holes in games have an easy answer: because it's a game. It has gameplay at the forefront, so it's gunna sacriface story for better gameplay.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 1:53:28 PM

There are issues with the story, the villains and the pacing. Why did the villains want a jar that would make people hallucinate if they were rich and could just create the compounds themselves with all that money they had? Hire chemists not an army problem solved. They never explained what was so special about what was in the jar other than hallucinogen, or a genie but only one person alludes to this and he comes into the story at the very end, everyone else infers that it is a hallucinogen.

Ben UC2 was gripping and balanced the whole way through. UC3 was balanced for the first half then at about chapter 12 or 13 there wasn't one single puzzle just gun fights and a small amount of platforming.

The desert scene was disjointed. Drake is searching for water, and instead of using this as a gameplay element they just dropped it when the bad guys showed up. He was freaking dehydrated and running around like a monkey, sees a guy drinking water and then gets into a freaking gun fight with an army. After wandering the desert for at least 3 days? Come on. The desert scene did nothing for the game save showing some awesome sand physics.

Bigrailer you missed the point. He is critical of all medians and just notices flaws more than most people. I know Amy is a good writer she wrote the first 2 uncharted games :P

What was well accomplished? What did it do that UC2 didn't? At the end we are at the same place as at the end of number two, we only know that drake isn't actually related to francis drake.

It has nothing to do with hand holding dude. Why did they go after the hallucinogen if they already could make them, as seen in drake and cutters mad trips? What purpose did the boat segment serve other than a cool set piece? After that we are right where we started before the boat. Also why did the guy have a fake sully in the boat? He put it there knowing drake would escape kill all his pirate bros and find out it was a trick? Or did he find out that drake escaped and said hehehe I can be a jerk and quickly made a sully dumby?

I understand drake seems to have some sort of addiction to treasure hunting but what was he hoping to find in the pillars of arahm? Or does he just do it for the sake of it? They never really resolved drakes problem with treasure hunting and not appreciating what he had.

The last complaint although it is probably in UC2 somewhere. But how much is marlowe paying these guys that they have no self preservation. Burning house, lets just stay behind and kill drake. Sinking boat, lets just go for drake. Crumbling ancient ruins? No guys we have orders we need to stay here and kill drake. Seriously you would think people would care more about their lives. You should see them running out of the house with you, and perhaps trying to grab you to make you lose some time, but the way they dont even care about their lives is just soooooo jarring.

Listen UC3 was a good game, but not great like UC2. Sure its an opinion, but I have given more than enough reasons and pointed out the flaws. Goodness its still at 8.5 for me, just not a 10 like UC2

On top of all this in an interview Naughty dog said they create set pieces and then build a story around them. When I find it I'll post it.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:32:34 PM

That "they create set pieces and then build a story around them" was *exactly* the problem with Resistance 3 too.

It's very common in games of course - especially the more linear, "theatrical" games - and are meant to be "show-off moments" but I too think it becomes rather annoying when you actually care about the story.

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:54:55 PM

The complaint about set pieces is - IMHO - as bogus as any. This is a video game, not an art movie or low budget drama. It's the equivalent of an action movie (as are all games). Action movies are built around the set piece action sequences, that is how it works. In a game, even more so. To complain about that is rather like complaining that the Sun is too yellow, or too bright.

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Jawknee
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:58:16 PM

It didn't need to do anything Uncharted 2 didn't do xenris. This latest rant proves you're just nitpicking for the sake of it.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:03:42 PM

Xenris-

I didn't miss any point you said in regards to UC3' story - "for an Uncharted game is blasphemy" and I think your dead flat wrong. What your making it sound like is Uncharted 3 doesn't live up to the "standards" which again is absolutely wrong. But if that's the way you feel, ok.

The desert scene is fine. This is something though that I could see people going back and forth on. I wished we had been able to play as Drake as he was wandering through the snow, injured in UC2. ND fulfilled that with the desert/dunes segment and I was very happy to play through that. As far as the next scene, fighting for his life with no water, well that's something ND felt they could get away with. Obviously you won't let them. But if that's part of your biggest complaint, obviously your just nit picking and trying to find something to gripe about. It's really not that big of a deal. It was overall executed very well!

I also have to add that I'm rolling, at the fact that you are complaining that there are bad guys in this game. How boring would the game be if Drake was running through an empty ship. It adds excitement and I just can't see this as a legitimate complaint. Seriously I can't stop laughing... "how much is Marlowe paying these guys" haha good one.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:36:52 PM

Highlander,
I don't understand how you can say that it is bogus.
You can't really mean this is the equivalent of real action movies? Cause this would mean that in a movie like for instance Speed, that they suddenly pulled over, parked the bus and entered a house full of zombies for a few minutes, then returned to the bus and drive on. If you know what I mean. Totally meaningless sequences like that are *not* seen in any sensible movie, but is more or less the standard in games.

Usually we don't care cause "it's just a game anyway" and we just want to shoot stuff, or collect stuff or whatever. But if I *do* care about the story then I find sequences like that to be really annoying!

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telly
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:08:59 PM

Have to disagree strongly with the pacing comment. I think both U2 and 3 are glowing examples of great pacing in video games, period. In both, you really feel like virtually every moment has been hand made by the developers to be just the way it is. I don't put one ahead of the other.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 5:03:36 PM

Jawknee

If I was nit picking for the sake of it I wouldn't write posts the size that I do. Seriously UC3 has some issues, not just to me but period. Watch the Zero punctuation on this, he basically nails everything me and a lot of other people are saying.

Sorry I think there is something wrong with UC3 but man its annoying when someone says your doing something for the sake of it. I could say your defending it for the sake of it but it wouldn't change anything. Its like I don't like Call of Duty games and apparently I only don't like them to be cool. On the topic of Call of Duty most people rip on it being the same thing every year, so why can Naughty Dog get away with it and not Activision? Lets get one thing straight though ND is one of my favourite developers end of story. Also if I was nitpicking I would be complaining about how drake touches everything. I personally got tired of this after a while as sometimes it looks like he has ADD with how much he is twitching when he comes close to different objects. But that is only a tiny complaint and didn't ruin anything it was just silly looking sometimes.

Bigrailer

So why is my opinion of it not being up to standard wrong? It doesn't live up to the standards UC2 set, thats subjective sure, but when you look at the plot holes it starts becoming more of a fact.

I personally dont think the desert scene added anything. My point with the water thing was, it felt like a lot of other places in this game, not smooth. His goal is water, gotta find water and in a nano second he starts fighting a war. It was just jarring and a little disappointing.

I'm not complaining that there are bad guys, however the location of the bad guys and the shear amount of them is laughable. I am not complaining about having to fight people, I just think they need to figure out a way to make these act slightly more realistic. Why is this guy standing on a burning platform in a collapsing house just to kill me? He should be running his ass off.

The part about the ship was the plot hole of the sully decoy, which you couldn't answer because it is just that a plot hole.

I'm glad you find it funny, but not being critical enough on games is what lands us with mediocre annual call of duty games that are too afraid to change the formula.

Also how many times is Nate going to jump to something and have it break? He seriously is the luckiest most unlucky guy ever. He acts surprised when he jumps to a ladder and it breaks even though everything he touches seems to set on fire, blow up or collapse. Gotta love Nate.

Also you never answered any of the plot hole questions. But I'm repeating myself so I'm done with this agree to disagree. As for my top 5 ps3 games

5-Valkyria Chronicles
4-Uncharted
3-Infamous
2-Uncharted 2
1-MGS4

Not in that order because I really like them all equally.

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Jawknee
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 6:44:26 PM

Whats more annoying is people who have a whole lot to say without actually saying anything at all which your posts are perfect examples of.

Nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. Keep it up champ.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:29:02 PM

Keep acting high and mighty behind the safety of the internet. Clearly I hit some sort of soft spot. Your not contributing so stop just saying I'm nitpicking. Post if you have something constructive to say okay?

I make plenty of valid points open your eyes maybe? I don't post here often but what I have noticed in the comments is your tone, and how childish it is Jawknee. I have no problem with bigrailer even though he seems to be condescending too. We are at least going back and forth responding to each others points.

Oh well, it would be much more enjoyable having this discussion vocally as typing is hard to express everything.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 7:35:36 PM

I was gonna say, your opinion is fine. Then I read your last paragraph from your last comment about everything around Nate lighting on fire or breaking and what not and I realized you are still nit picking.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:17:29 PM

Everyone just stop. Xenris, you made your point. No more.

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xenris
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:50:01 PM

I'm done don't worry. However I want to clarify bigrailer I was just joking about that last part. I hate typing because its hard to tell a joke properly. There is some truth to it, but its not actually a serious complaint I meant to word it differently and bla, it came out wrong.

I repeat that part was a joke, a poorly delivered one at that :P

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 1:08:07 AM

It's cool. I'm not being condescending either. I do stick up for what I believe but at the end we both have our opinions. I respect yours whether I agree or not.

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:25:05 AM

Xenris, you wrote way more than I'm willing to devote time to since so much has been discussed since I last checked the site.

But the comment that is about to get approval is a good starting point for why you're dead wrong about everything in the story.

I don't think I need to go into any more detail than the folks in the link have shared. I think it's unfortunate so many people think a narrative needs a cookie-cutter approach. My only complaint is about the lack of explanation for the -ORIGIN- of the spiders. NOT the fact that they are there... just want to know their origin.

Everything else is air tight. Additionally, the pacing is fine.

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:25:31 AM

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/questions-re--uncharted-3--spo/1259864

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:39:47 AM

@Liam Daniels

In my opinion and experience in studying various playwrights as a theatre major and taking courses on play-writing, you're right. Most of the time, characters are established first (or second if you are a rookie writer), a story is written, a plot is built around the story, and THEN set pieces are added in to add effective elements like symbolism or emphasis.

However, whenever you try to build a story around the historical or already established folklore and the like, you do need to find effective set pieces prior to writing. Anything that you feel can be symbolic or tug at the memories of people familiar with certain aspects of history (like the secret service Talbot et. al. is apart of that actually did exist and, according to history, controlled people with drugs and were masters of deception... or magicians, for example).

Something like Assassin's Creed needs to do that. Famous books like the DaVinci Code (which I think is poor, but whatever) or National Treasure, also need to be written around set pieces and things in history already established. Indiana Jones, something UC is supposedly similar to, is guilty of the same thing with the Lost Ark.

Even other works of art are established around some "set piece" or another. Most plays, including the most famous and respected in history, especially from the last 19th century, were written for the sole reason of making commentary on the society of the time. Certain themes in society are what the story is written around. Now, those aren't set pieces, I know, but very rarely is the story written first. Almost always, good writers start with the characters and a theme. The story is built around the characters. Otherwise, you risk characters being built around the story... and therefore, are less believable.

Basically, while I understand the desire to want symbolic elements to be added first, it is absolutely appropriate to -first- establish anything related to the theme or direction the writer wishes to write about... before he/she writes about it.

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:50:41 AM

@Xenris
I just finished reading the rest of what you wrote, and while I applaud you for thinking critically, I think your critical thinking of the narrative is built around a desire to have everything explained by the narrative. The set pieces you complain about fill in many of the blanks, and the rest about the characters can be explained just by knowing them better.

For example, Chloe bailed... but that's not surprising... in UC2, she ALWAYS tries to bail when the going gets rough.

As for the desert, there are environmental factors of a deserted town that would provide some respite and counter some of your complaints, but they're sort of weak-sauce for me to bring up, as I don't believe they are intentional. However, Drake has always found second life when things get dangerous. Afterall... he gets off on all this. And he is the ultimate survivor. Drake... like Indiana Jones... should have died a million times over... but he ALWAYS... makes it out because of luck and his intelligence.

Anyways, there's more to say, but that link I provided has some good arguments that I agree with.

As for pacing... if you look back at the whole game, you visit lots of different places and see lots of different things. I would argue that the pacing was so good, you forgot about all the different things that happen. The fluidity causes you to forget the immense variety.

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xenris
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 10:07:46 AM

Glad you took the time to read what I wrote guys. Underdog, I don't need everything explained, I think your mixing up some of what others said with mine. I also wrote a lot and some of it I wish I could take back as they were poor jokes. To clarify I didn't mind about chloe and cutter leaving the story I didn't care about salim and his band bailing until the last minute and I didn't care about the spider origins.

I can fill in the gaps, but with something like Uncharted I don't want to you know? I didn't feel I needed to do this for UC2 so when I had to do this for UC3 it felt a little odd.

I understand that Drakes a survivor, I think the whole desert scene was just me expecting Naughty Dog to do something really different, I thought him talking about water was foreshadowing for something. After all we just wandered through the desert so I though the goal was going to be maybe more hallucinating followed by a quest for water.

I know you have to suspend your disbelief in these treasure hunter genre movies and games. Example, Indian Jones survived a nuclear blast in a fridge just because he could :P

I like drakes survivor man of steel qualities, but the game showed him vulnerable with hallucinations and stuff I just thought maybe the water was going to end up a game play element.

Unfortunately I do not see any links 0_0'

Again I think when all is said and done, it just felt less smooth than UC2, and I was left with more questions. Plot hole wise, I still do not understand the villains motives, the whole hallunicogenic thing really doesn't add up. Unless they really thought it was a genie but only salim alludes to this, everything the villains do and nate and sully say seems to point to it being a mad trippy drug. They were almost too mysterious with the villains. I don't need a realistic villain. Heck in UC2 lazarovich was just a guy who wanted to take over the world and live forever. I had no problem with that.

I think I just felt like they had all this cool stuff and cool ideas in UC3 that ultimately didn't lead anywhere or really fit together well. Again this is opinion and its subjective but its on these grounds that I felt UC2 was the better game thats all.

On a side note, I loved games like Demon souls, and Dark souls, both have very vague stories that you have to put together yourself. Limbo was awesome and very much the same way. The team ICO games are my favourite of last generation and possibly all time, again you have to piece the story together.

I think what it came down to this time was expectations. I try not to expect anything with games but I loved the first two uncharted games I guess I got a little too excited for them to push the envelope like UC2 did compared to UC1.

Anyway I like your points hopefully you can message me that link so I can do some reading.

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Beamboom
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 11:51:36 AM

This has been a very interesting discussion, even for me who hasn't played Uc3. A great read from both sides.
Especially nice that you xenris kept your cool through it all, also towards the less constructive posts. Thumbs up to you!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 1:32:44 PM

I, as does everyone else I presume (stike that, positive xD), have a lot more to say. So before this become one epic long reply, anyone up for creating a thread on the forums? I might actually visit them for once :P

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xenris
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 3:33:04 PM

Thanks beamboom. I enjoy this community even though I'm not very vocal most of the time. However when I am my posts get disgustingly long. I do hope people enjoy UC3 when they get around to playing it though.

Until next time, keep fit, and have fun.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:54:52 AM
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My personal top 5 with reasons: (Note there games I havent yet played, GT5 for example because I want to play it with a wheel)

5. Killzone 2 - I loved the art in this game. People don't seem to admire it as much as they should, but it really is beautiful. Infact, I don't think anyone has done a better 'war-torn' place than this game. Not to mention the best lighting I've ever seen, and y'know, the rest of the game :P
4. God Of War 3 - The production values of this game, it practically has a spot gurranteed. Though lacks replay value (especailly when put against the other games in this list), it was really was a perfect experiance.
3. LittleBigPlanet 1/2 - There's simply no other game like LBP. Not only is it one of few platforming-centric games out nowadays, it transformed all of us from game-players to game-makers, while still being game-players. You don't have to code anything or go through the buisness of making a game. The community has been really awesome too, showing how many talented gamers there are out there, and letting everyone get their inner creative-ness out. Pretty sure no other game has done that.
2. Uncharted 2/3 - As you can tell from my avatar, this is my favourite game. But there's one thing stopping this from being at the top - MGS4. I just can't, in my right mind, put UC over MGS. The gameplay in both is super-refined, the pacing in both is perfect (despite people saying MGS4 had too-long cutscenes, I disagree entirely), and the art in both is some of the best in the industry and indeed, in all media. But MGS4 was the better experiance. I've no doubt in my mind this is all thanks to the brilliance of the director, but it's true.
1. Metal Gear Solid 4 - The PS3's flagship title. Maybe even PS's flagship title. If aliens came to our planet and asked me to give them the best game we could ever offer, I'd give them this game.

That's my personal list, as I said I probably missed out some big hitters but I haven't played some of them. I really wish this could've been a top ten list, It'd be so much eaiser :P

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dlte
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:09:32 AM
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IMO
1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
2. Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
3. Heavy Rain
4. God of War 3
5. Little Big Planet

Although I haven't played MGS4 or GT5 (I'm sorry!).

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BikerSaint
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:38:59 AM
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My top exclusives by console.....

360
Alan Wake
Gears

PS 3
Everything else

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 12:04:56 PM
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Happy Birthday PS3! Looking forward for another great 5 year run. Long Live Play 4ever!

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 2:50:58 PM
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Top 5 PS3 exclusives based on playing time (in no particular order)...

WKC (1&2)
Valkyria Chronicles
Uncharted (whole franchise)
GT5/GT5 Prolog
Ratchet and Clank (whole franchise on PS3)

Top 5 in terms of what I think is a quality game (no particular order)...

Uncharted (whole franchise)
InFamous (1 & 2)
Gran Turismo
WipeOut HD/Fury
LBP

With honorable mentions for Heavy Rain, MotorStorm, Valkyria Chronicles and Atelier Rorona/Totori

White Knight deserves a mention too, but it's as popular with some as a fart in a spacesuit, so why bother? Never mind, your loss.

Actually, I have more games than I can name on the PS3, lots of great downloadable titles as well. The Ps3 has been my best game console to date, I have more games for it than any console before it. the PSP has fared well with the PS3 as well since the PS3 has facilitated many PSP game purchases that otherwise would never have happened. PSN has done the same for me with games like Infamous only coming to my console because of the 1 hour try before you buy demo.

One of my absolute favorite PS3 games isn't even an exclusive (although it might as well have been as the PS3 version was better and more popular with gamers), Burnout Paradise. But let's face it, most of us have probably spent more on games for the PS3 than on any console before, and probably (except Biker) bought more games (in terms of count of games) for PS3 than any other console before. From that point of view, I have to say it's been an awesome 5 years and looks like it will continue in the same way for years to come.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:28:31 PM

Your right Highlander, I also own far more games for my PS3 than I did previous consoles. During the PS2 I was really into Socom so that's really all I played. But that didn't stop me from enjoying GoW, PoP, or GTA. Point is I didn't buy a lot of games for PS2 because I was always playing Socom.

Now that I own a PS3 my library has grown in both numbers and genres. The PS3 has been a great machine for me! Aside from my library even I've grown, I enjoy RPG's much more now, despite the argument that some are more westernized!

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Highlander
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:35:19 PM

Some are, some aren't. The more the merrier is a sentiment I have always liked. I just prefer diversity and would like genre to retain their unique qualities instead of game makers morphing the genre of a game to meet the expectations of another genre's audience. I have no problem with western RPGs and people that enjoy them, I just would prefer it if a) JRPG makers didn't feel pressure to morph their games into western RPGS, b) JRPG makers were not unfairly criticized for making JRPGs instead of western RPGs, and c)gamers and reviewers could recognize that there are in fact different genre of RPG and look at each game on it's own merits rather than holding it to the expectations of another genre. To me, diversity in gaming and culture should be king, always.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:42:11 PM

So true.
I have bought at least 10 times more games these 5 years with my ps3 than I bought during 15 years of PC gaming prior to that.
Partially due to piracy (I am ashamed to admit), more due to playing almost exclusively mmorpgs for many years, but most of all because I find the average quality of games now to be completely unprecedented.

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bigrailer19
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 3:44:07 PM

Yea I understand where your coming, from. I just didn't want to give the impression that it's only because of western RPG's that I enjoy them, because that's not it.

For whatever reason though it hasn't been until I purchased my PS3 that I started playing more of them.

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Twistedfloyd
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 8:16:58 PM
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To everyone:

First: some U3 spoilers abound here as well as U2.

I'm not downgrading Uncharted 3 for the sake of MGS4.

My gripes with Uncharted 3 of course are all subjective and you're right about that. But since this a place where we can say our peace, I'm saying it.

Ben, Chloe had so much more an emotional impact on U2's subject matter. She wasn't JUST a love interest for Drake. Chloe had an ACTUAL IMPACT ON THE STORY. Who was Drake chasing after on the train? Chloe. Who helped Drake save Elena? Chloe. Who was in the entire game who was wonderfully developed and explored Chloe. Who saved Drake's ass multiple times? Chloe. Who was constantly changing her allegiances and making one hell of an interesting character? Chloe.

What did Chloe do here? Nothing. She was there for fan service and to be the get away after London Underground. Then after all the stuff she and Drake went through in U2, she's just like I'm out after the Syria section in U3. She thinks this scenario is way too dangerous after Shambala? It just didn't feel right, and felt like a cop out to an amazing character who added nothing, absolutely nothing to the emotional core of the narrative.

She added so much to U2's narrative, Ben. I disagree with you whole heartedly here. Yeah, she may have just been the driver at the beginning, but you can't deny that every action she takes after the first few chapters of U2 have a direct impact on the events of the game, and make the game better.

You can get any character to be a love interest for Drake, or to fulfill Chloe's role from U2? No, Chloe is a special character and is one of a kind.

So yes, she was forced and didn't even serve a purpose throughout the rest of the game. She could have been out of the game entirely and it would have made no difference. She could have been played by anyone in U3, that's for sure. To me at least. Once again, all subjective.

There may not have been any puzzles in the first three hours of Uncharted 2, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about pacing. The puzzles in Uncharted 3 are amazing, but they feel like they all happen in the first half of the game, and really close to one another. Uncharted 2's were spaced out very well and happened in different areas of the game at very appropriate times.

When I say rehashed, I mean that similar ideas were used in this game that were direct scenarios from Uncharted 2. They're not exactly copy and paste. The caravan sequence in the desert is really the biggest example. Only difference was that they were in the desert, and you were on horses.

Go play that chapter in Uncharted 2 right now and then go play it in U3 and tell me if there was any difference other than the ones I just mentioned (and of course what was happening in the story). And also, U2 had a greater sense of urgency and was far better designed and constructed with the leaping from back and forth from trucks because they caught on fire and then getting on the turret with the grenade launcher and saving Elena. It was awesome.

This was good and all, but if felt like a watered down version of what I played in Uncharted 2.

The desert scene was disjointed as hell. It didn't give you any chance to feel Drake's struggle as you were ripped out of a situation right before you were starting to feel something and transported to another moment in time. Something that was supposed to be emotional simply didn't measure up because it wasn't paced well. Brilliant idea, lacking in execution, IMO.

Although I did like when you make a circle and find the same well again. That was well done.

Also. Let's do another ending where the big city we've been trying to get to is falling apart. The bad guys die in entertaining fashion again. It played out way too similarly to Uncharted 2 in terms of the idea even though different scenarios played out.

Also, come on, Salim comes up out of nowhere with two horses to find Iram of the Pillars to save Drake and Sully? Deus Ex Machina to the incredibly convenient degree.

And that ending cutscene, don't get me started on it. A watered down horse hockey ending that I've seen so many times in so many different movies that felt so cliched.

What happened to the emotional and touching, poignant ending of Uncharted 2? That was so beautiful and felt real. This ending was just really thrown together and was a lesser version of that. They happen to be the only ones at this airport, Elena comes out of nowhere, ugh.

Yes i hate the spiders. Sue me. They add nothing to the game! They have no impact at all on the story. You can have a supernatural feel all you want, but without any impact on the story, I don't really see the point. So they're in France and Yemen? That makes sense. It may be nitpicky, but the supernatural elements in past Uncharted games always had an impact on the story. The weird goblins from Uncharted 1 played right into what was happening in the story. Same with the Yetis in Uncharted 2.

What was the story point they affected in Uncharted 3? Nowhere to be found. Also, I didn't like the gameplay segments with them. To me, it's just not that exciting running away from little scarab spider things, and slapping them off of me.

Goblin things? Yeah, that's exciting. Yeti things, super exciting. These? Not so much.

Uncharted 3 is a great game, don't get me wrong. The plane sequence and boat sequences (and the build ups to them) are perfect. I just felt like it's not as well paced, and has certain things that I've discussed makes it inferior to Uncharted 2 in my eyes.

I also just felt like the feeling of life and death just isn't as brutally felt here. Other than the plane sequence and the boat sequence, I know that everything's going to turn out ok.

Uncharted 2, death and the feeling of being in danger was everywhere. Carrying Jeff's wounded ass and watching him get murdered, Drake was bleeding out in the snow, the train sequence, the freaking village was decimated by Lazorvic, war in Nepal. Shambala's native people were ferocious.

I just never got that feeling as much in this game.

But I still really liked Uncharted 3 a lot.

For example,

I love the chase sequences. Those are amazing additions to the series.

I love Elena and Drake's interactions (minus that ending). When he's in her lap and says I'm sorry, that touched my heart.

I love Marlowe, I wanted more of her.

I love the plane and boat sequences.

I absolutely adore the flashback sequences. Best part of the game.

I love the new melee system.

I love Victor GD Sullivan.

I love Nathan F'ing Drake.

However, I just felt like to me that U3 had problems where U2 had virtually none.

The shooting mechanics are tough, but once you get used to them, I was fine. I don't like them as much as Uncharted 2, but I like the feel of the guns and like how the recoil was done. Makes it much more challenging.

I didn't feel like after the flashbacks there were enough platforming sequences as well. My favorite parts of Uncharted are when soft music plays and you're given a break from the thrilling gun play, and you have to make great leaps and traverse all over the place. Mountaineering anyone?

So yeah, it's all subjective. But then again, what isn't in gaming? You like the gameplay in AC more than the story. I'm the other way around. I think MGS4 is the best game on PS3, you think it's Uncharted 2 and 3. You don't see the same flaws as I do in U3. That's fine. I think the new gun mechanics are challenging and rewarding in U3 when someone else may think they suck. just because that's the most talked about thing in terms of criticism in U3 doesn't mean that you can't find other flaws in it as well if something doesn't work for you as a whole.

So to make a ridiculously long explanation end, to each his own.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 9:18:43 PM

I don't have time to deal with that. So long as you admit it's all subjective, because nobody I know is seeing what you're seeing. That includes screenwriters and authors.

But again, subjective.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 1:24:06 AM

Just to see if this makes sense I wan to mention the spiders. Tell me what you think! I don't think the spiders represented what the yetis or ghouls did.

*****SPOILERS**********SPOILERS*****

The hallucinations did however! If you recall in Drakes Fortune and Among Thieves the twists (ghouls, yetis) had a direct relationship to the treasures (not necessarily something with monetary value), as did the hallucinations in U3.

I think your making to much of the spiders. I don't think they are supposed to fit in the Story like your trying to fit them in.

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Beamboom
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:26:37 AM

You know screenwriters and authors, Ben? Wow, anyone I should know of? Has they worked on any recent films?

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:55:23 AM

The spiders fit well into the story. But their origin isn't explained like the ghouls and yetis are. That's my only complaint. I wouldn't care, except that they show up in completely separate areas of the world.

As for their purpose, it's obviously clear. And they gave us more than 3 warnings that they existed before they actually became a threat. More than enough foreshadowing, if you ask me.

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Robochic
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 7:37:29 AM
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Here's my list:

1) Heavenly Sword (still one of my fav's)
2)UC 2
3)UC 3
4)WKC
5)LBP 2

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Highlander
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 5:58:03 PM

Since you like pretty much the same games as me, including WKC, why are you not on my friends list yet? Message me on the forums please.

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hadouken
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:50:47 PM
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My top exclusive would be Uncharted 2. Uncharted 3 is awesome but for some reason to me the second game had some pop to it. The story was more interesting to.

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wmmcdaniels
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:43:03 AM
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@ Ben Dutka PSXE .. Uncharted 3 is an awesome game and I already got a platinum but it is flawed. On at least 2 occasions I fell into a graphical hole and had to quit the game and reload it. but it wasnt anything major for me to not want to play the game.

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wmmcdaniels
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:47:42 AM
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Top 5 for me is ...
5- Ratchet and Clank
4- Heavy Rain
3- Infamous
2- Uncharted
1- God of War ( just because Kratos is bad @$$ and he may come beat me up if I don't rate him higher then Drake lol)

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