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Now Square Enix Thinks Faster Dev Cycles Is The Answer

Yes, it's safe to assume that Square Enix has been getting under PSXE's skin lately.

Not long after we call out the company for wreaking havoc with our beloved Final Fantasy franchise, we hear another interesting piece of news: Square Enix is once again trying to mirror Western developers by cutting down on the development times for their games.

In speaking to GameReactor, Final Fantasy XIII-2 producer Yoshinori Kitase first admitted they took too long in releasing FFXIII, and then compared S-E's output to that of Western companies like EA and Ubisoft. Said Kitase:

"When you think of Western triple A titles like Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Assassin’s Creed, they seem to work with a lot shorter turnaround – they make a new game in 1-2 years. That is something we need to follow up, because that seems to be the best way to keep our fans interested and attracted to the franchise."

So when it came to FFXIII-2, Square Enix said they had learned their lesson and cranked it out faster. In all, development time came to only about a year and a half, which they're going to try to maintain in the future. In other words, we've learned they might make FFXV an action RPG and instead of taking time to create a masterpiece, they're going to try the annualization - or semi-annualization approach - and pump 'em out faster.

...just flailin' in the dark, huh?

Tags: square enix, game development, ffxiii, final fantasy xiii, ffxiii-2, final fantasy xiii-2

11/20/2011 8:51:49 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (107 posts)

kokoro
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 9:53:59 PM
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Why do they have this obsession with mimicking western game developers in every way possible? That's really vulgar and uninspired thinking.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:43:55 PM

because they want to fail

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shadowpal2
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 12:25:17 AM

Because as the Western gaming industry seems to keep on bringing profit...they feel as if mimicking them shall bring them profit as well.

I certainly believe there are some business tactics that they can follow here and there...but changing a franchise's style to something more like the game that's getting a lot of sales is not the way to do it. You want to follow your own heart and mind and do what you feel good about.

I hope SE can shape up, but in a way...I just feel that a lot of people there...just lost a lot of confidence in themselves. I guess we have to count on Atlus from here on out (though we really have been doing exactly that for this whole generation).

Still...waiting on seeing how FF Versus XIII comes out. I know it won't be the traditional FF, but as a KH fan...I consider this my KHIII for this generation.

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kokoro
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 12:27:46 AM

It's pretty ironic that their attempts to become more relevant have almost rendered them irrelevant.

@shadowpal2
Yeah I've been waiting all generation for KH3 too. As I recall KH was always lucrative for them- why then have they seemingly abandoned it? Their behaviour is incomprehensible. When something acts incomprehensibly, it most probably indicates that there is serious lack of communication between the people operating the entity. That there is conflict of ideals, visions or values between the people in square enix is a reality which seems more probable than ever.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:27:09 AM

Agreed. Vulgar is the perfect word too.

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tes37
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 9:57:25 PM
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I think SE is crazy, but this should help speed up my dislike for their new titles. I guess I could show some appreciation for that.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:01:43 PM
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Square-Enix = Without a doubt the developer that completely lost the plot this console generation. So out of touch with its fanbase and does not show any sign of improving any time soon. Just give me Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Type-0 already so I can be over with any S-E business.

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Warrior Poet
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:02:48 PM
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Huh? A Japanese game franchise based on Japanese design philosophy with Japanese producers, Japanese artists, Japanese composers, and Japanese programmers want to take the most popular Japanese franchise and try and cram their development cycles into a Western format? Because they want twitchy 11-year-old Western fans, who don't know and/or care about development cycles, to care about their games?

This makes literally zero sense. "People don't like our games, so we should move to an engine we're not familiar with, experiment new formulas we've never tried before, and to top it all off, spend LESS time working on them."

Square-Enix has some really intelligent people. I mean, look at the graphics in FFXIII. That had to take brains. Why not have brains at the top of the company too?

This is soooo messed up.

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kokoro
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 12:35:47 AM

People stupid people in charge, and stupid things will happen.

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Stabs88
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 7:48:32 PM

^Agreed. I want squaresoft back =..(

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Ludakriss
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:03:24 AM

@Warrior Poet. You know, I think I love your brain, bro.

That's exactly how I feel when all these magnificient figures (graphically) are going to start resembling the bulking, hulking megalo-maniacs like in Gears of War/Unear Tournament. It's a no-no artistically.

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VampDeLeon
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:03:52 PM
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*Insert Squall's facepalm*

On a lighter note, will this mean FFVersus XIII will no longer be pushed back?

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Riku994
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:04:36 PM

Unlikely, Nomura's taking his sweet time with that one to make it a masterpiece.

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hellish_devil
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:45:15 PM

Versus is not SE production, is Nomura and Co. production.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:04:06 PM
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Oh Kitase... I bet this was Wada's doing.

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GuardianMode
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:07:05 PM

Agreed! This has the fingerprints of Wada all over it. If he is trying to tick off the hardcore the man is doing a fantastic job.

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Vitron
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:08:30 PM
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Man, one wrong move after another...seriously.
Its official VsXIII will be the last thing I'll buy from SE.





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BikerSaint
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:10:05 PM
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Wada's got to go,
quick, fast, & in a MF'ing hurry!!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:45:29 PM

indubitably

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:15:34 AM

I am really surprised that Wada hasn't been fired already!!! Seriously, how many people in the company feel comfortable with all these radical changes??!?!

Wada has to go, he is single handedly destroying one of the greatest gaming companies in Japan and people over there seem to be okay with it. Are they simply too scared to tell their boss to go jump off a bridge?

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:51:43 PM

He must have a lot of family members in the shareholders group.

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firesoul453
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:13:05 PM
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Square Enix got a taste of what its like to be one of the biggest developers out there.... Now there ravenous for a piece of the pie!


I liked them better when they focused on quality.......

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:18:46 AM

Nah, they saw the media attention CoD and battlefield were getting and said,

"We have to mimick those two games if we wanna see 8 million sales in the first week!!"

Problem is Wada, YOU didn't make Call of Duty, or publish it. How many casual CoD players are into expansive RPG's? Almost none!!!!

If you're gonna make an RPG, make a damn good RPG to get the fans to all wanna buy it. There are still millions of us here!!!! How could you dismiss us like this?!?!?!

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:53:03 PM

Well, he did get a taste... and he did publish CoD... in Japan, anyways.

It's poisoned him, apparently.

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Xra897
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:14:05 PM
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Proof that his is wrong: Versus 13

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:17:40 PM

Proof that the article is right: Final Fantasy XIII and the other recent "news" from S-E. Versus XIII can now be considered as an aberration of sorts.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:20:37 PM

They want to get games out quicker NOW, they clearly hadn't considered that 5 years ago when they announced 3 games that should ALL be out by now.

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wenezz
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:19:47 PM
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dear square enix, you already have the answer its creativity. no need to look at the competition so stay focus and make great games

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Oyashiro
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:40:27 PM
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NO! The best way to keep fans interested and attracted to the franchise is to release GOOD GAMES!

Sweet Jesus! What the hell is wrong with the heads of SE? I refuse to believe that anyone that can be this damn dense! They have to read what people are saying on the internet, how can they not know what we all want?!

It pisses me off to my very core to read more and more progressively stupider statements from these hacks!

I swear that they have there heads shoved so far up there asses, that there heads somehow double lap themselves and thus create a one man human centipede... F($%!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:46:40 PM

I got to see the sequel to that.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:49:47 PM

I mean seriously now... You wouldn't have the problem of having a long window of no releases if you say... DON'T ANNOUNCE GAMES 5 OR MORE YEARS BEFORE YOU PLAN ON RELEASING THEM!!!

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Oyashiro
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:52:23 PM

@World

Your seeing it right now, Its titled Square Enix.

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Vitron
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:53:03 PM

Oh but there is already a sequel to that (If not in the making) :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:00:25 PM

It's about a nut who gets obsessed with the movie, looks totally sick.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:44:37 AM

Perhaps SE could meet their commitments before complaining about fans not being interested in them any more?

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hellish_devil
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:43:38 PM
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Did he just called CoD a triple A production? What a joke.

And those people that buy CoD every year, they are not fans, they are just brainless people that believe that they are gamers and explode if somebody says otherwise.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:25:51 AM

I dunno, Call of Duty is quality. Not highest quality, but it is still quality.

If CoD was a broken mess of a game with a ton of glitches, horrible graphics that give you eye strain and limited multiplayer, would it have sold so well?

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Battlefield 3 myself and Uncharted 3 or any Sony exclusive over CoD, but to say CoD isn't quality... it's just wrong.

I believe the words you were looking for were:

"Highest quality standard FPS"

Doesn't do anything new or radical, but what it can do, it does well.

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Vitron
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:49:37 PM
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Nomura should quit SE after XIIIVs.



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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:52:10 PM

And start his own RPG company.

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Oyashiro
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:52:53 PM

Or join Mistwalker or Level 5

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:00:47 PM

Not Mistwalker, they don't make PS3 games.

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hellish_devil
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:03:02 PM

Or Tri-ace. True JRPGs.

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Vitron
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:04:05 PM

I think SEGA would be nice too.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:47:38 AM

Monolith Software trying a PS3 game?

I just feel like all the old Squaresoft devs should get together and make their own dev company, or just simply join Level 5 or Atlus and see what great ideas they all come up with.

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Beamboom
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:24:12 AM

... Or what if they joined an actual western rpg company and had them release a jrpg? That would have been such a wonderful twist to this drama!


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Yukian
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:49:48 PM
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When I read things like this I just think there's gonna be a pause in the conversation and they're gonna tell:

"Heyyy, April's Fools! We're going to go back to what we were and do OUR thing with the RPG's again, what with the quality and the awesomeness, all right? :D"

If so, then this is THE BIGGEST and THE LONGEST April's Fools ever, then... :/

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kokoro
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 12:38:24 AM

Dude I have the exact same impression.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:52:32 AM

It feels like it's meant to be a joke. No person in their right mind would drive a company into the ground like that.

It's like if Buddweiser said "Coka Cola is selling more product than us, so let's scrap our current popular taste and try a new, more Coke centred flavour, but keep the Budweisser name. We don't need the old fans of our drink, we'll just reap in all the fans of Coka Cola!!"

No other company would kill themselves like that, so why is SE getting away with it?!?!

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Yukian
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 7:06:05 AM

@Dancemachine If that would happen I'd like to taste that new 'Weiser... Mmm, Coke... lol

I think I just thought how SE thinks we think... and it's not good...

Give the Final Fantasy series to Kojima and let the dumbass executives do your assisted suicide before you ruin that name!!!

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Warrior Poet
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:41:15 PM

Coke actually did this with New Coke/Coke II a while ago XD

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:51:02 AM

Coke > Budweiser
horse urine > Budweiser

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 10:50:48 PM
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I would call them retarded but that would be an insult to retarded people.

How can anybody make this many bad moves so close together? This is how you ruin franchises and ultimately gaming companies. Final Fantasy hasn't always been perfect, but imagine a bad one every year.

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Jawknee
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:28:45 PM

They're almost at the bottom of the barrel with Crapcom. They just need to start rereleasing their worst games possible and pretend there's new value to be had in these cash grabs.

Oh wait....FFXIII-2.

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shadowpal2
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 12:29:45 AM

Seriously there are so many Japanese game companies out there (not to mention companies in general) that lost faith in themselves. They don't do things the way they've been doing them back in the 80's or 90's.

Only gaming companies that seem to be doing their own thing are Level 5, Kojima Pro., and a few others.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:54:23 AM

Catherine tried something radical and new, nothing anywhere near mainstream appeal, and look how popular that title was!!

Sure, it didn't sell millions like CoD, but it sold more than expected for such a niche game.

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Jawknee
Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 11:26:58 PM
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Another week, another SquEnix fail.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:57:13 AM

It's nearly becoming my favourite weekly drama!!

"Tune in next week when we hear more from Wada or Kitase about how they plan on destroying the FF franchise!! Will they scrap turn-based combat altogether?!? Will they go First Person?!? Will it go online multiplayer with a 9 hour story mode?!?! You can find out next week!!!"

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Lawless SXE
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:02:28 AM
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Yeah... I'm just going to reiterate what I wrote when I first found this news:

"The problem, as I see it, is that those games all have a vastly different focus from Final Fantasy. Battlefield and Call of Duty have both built their fanbases upon online gameplay, and that is why people buy. That is where the brand awareness comes from. And yet, fans are beginning to fight back against both of those series, thanks to a tiring out of the formulas. Assassin's Creed has a continuous narrative thread, making it logical for quick releases so that fans don't begin to forget key elements.

"Final Fantasy, however, has always introduced a new world and new characters, with various themes. The scope of a Final Fantasy game far exceeds any of those annual release series, and the quality that was once synonymous with the series is what kept fans interested and attracted. I fully understand now why people say that Square-Enix is out of touch with the people that loved their games. Tis truly a shame."

There should be a mass culling of stupid people. Then we wouldn't have to deal with such inane nonsense as these statements made by Square-Enix and maybe they'd be able to embrace their heritage, rather than chasing some illusory dream brought on by the desire to appeal to a mass audience.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 2:09:38 AM

I think what Square Enix fail to realize is that they have a massive fan base in the millions, and they are all hardcore RPG fans!!!

Call of Duty, along with Wii and Guitar Hero managed to sell millions because they were aimed at multiplayer, party or casual players. These types of players do not play hardcore RPG's, so why are Square Enix trying to aim their Final Fantasy franchise at them? It just won't work!!

Like you said Lawless, Final Fantasy games are all about new characters, expansive worlds, new stories, new mini-games but the same good ol' chocobo rearing that fans have come to love. If it was so popular in the past, why mess with a formula for success by dumbing it down or speeding up the process and risk a lesser game?!?!

If anything, Square Enix should be finding more streamlined and deeper uses for turn-based combat systems, and I must admit, I loved Final Fantasy XII's ability to control 4 characters, position them wherever you want, assign them characteristics like healer, tank, big hitter and magic abilities. FF XII was the greatest evolution of turn-based combat I have yet seen in the series.

Going from FF XII's deeper yet far more controlled use of turn-based mechanics to FF XIII's dumbed down version of turn-based combat (with auto-attack, WTF!?!?) completely ruined the FF experience for me.

I just wonder how long it will be before either Wada and Co finally turn around and listen to the fans, or Wada and Kitase are fired and replaced with someone comptetent in their own abilities, not just trying to copy the success of others.

The FF series were unique, and were of the highest quality in RPG games. Dumbing it down won't get more people in, it will just push bigger and older fan bases further away.

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Ludakriss
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:31:47 AM

@Dancemachine55

I like you so much for commenting in favour of XII. I seriously thought exactly the same thing (minus the fact that you have to stop to draw a weapon).

And the way you explained what the evolution of turn-based game could look like...jeez, almost started whaling up xD

If only SE would listen to these, still caring, creative and I think, thetty intelligent fans, the game would go back to it's beautiful roots. Eh.

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___________
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:33:28 AM
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hmmmmm, i wonder what turned this light bulb on?
i.... i......
sorry, i give up!
trying to understand the logic of $E is like trying to understand the logic of the OFLC.
man would have a better change of walking to the moon and back!

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 2:11:39 AM

The OFLC I understand.

The Government and Christian Groups, however, I do not.

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___________
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 8:53:28 AM

so you understand GOW3 the goriest game ever released being fine for kids to play, but L4D2, toy story in comparison, is not ok for kids to play?

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:58:18 PM

Thanks for the wonderful shout out....

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Jed
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:54:30 AM
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Sure, you can turn out a game with a 3 hour campaign and the same multiplayer every year, and people hooked on multiplayer will but it. But The beauty of the "good ol" FF games is that they were MASSIVE. it takes time to create such masterpeices as FFVII.

I take a dump every day, but that's not very interesting. I really want to see SE come out with a huge, rich, beautiful game, like they used to do. But I've given up on those dreams.

Help us Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope!!!

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Beamboom
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:16:23 AM

"people hooked on multiplayer will but it" -> I'm afraid they won't.
The MP gaming market is the single worst market to get into - they will have to stand against the mammoths on the gaming scene, multi-billion marketing budgets and distributors that will do anything, *anything* to make you fail in stealing market share from them. So even if you *do* release a pretty good MP game chances are that you'll hardly sell a single copy cause the competitors are too many and too good.

It's the worst possible way to go if you are laying down with a broken back.


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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:48:10 AM

Multi-player gaming is herd mentality gaming. It's not good for the industry as it paces a brake on game consumption across a wide spectrum of the audience. How many million gamers would be content with an annual refresh of their favorite multi-player kill-spree tool instead of a diet of new games? Yeah, that's the issue.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 2:15:52 AM
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Faster turnover and shorter production times mean one thing...

Lower quality games

Chances are, a yearly or 2 year installments of Final Fantasy games will mean bigger budgets spent on more workers to get the game made. Not only that, but they will all have to be linked together, use the same set of characters, the same world, and that IS NOT the Final Fantasy I know.

I am no longer sad about Square Enix, I'm beyond that. I'm interested in seeing how deep they can dig this hole they're in now. I'm finding SE's comical statements to be far more entertaining now that I don't care about buying their games.

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Beamboom
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:09:41 AM
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Now this is ironic. What is the *one* thing we westerners complain about regarding our western games? The one single issue that I believe most every western gamer agree on?

It's that ANNUALIZATION SUCKS! We all hate it!

It leads to watered down storylines, little to no technical progress, we grow tired of the franchise, there's too many too soon, it is a Bad Thing! We don't want it!

Why can't they learn from one of the few things that even those of us who prefer western games think is bad about the western games? This is ridiculous. They must be desperate. This smells like swan song.



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JackDillinger89
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:13:19 AM
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I remember watching the mgs4 collectors edition special features kojima even acknowledges western game development is making more quality games (not more than mgs4 of course ) at a faster timeframe. Im glad SE is starting to realise this. I also notice there been publishing more ( non ff games ) games lately. I wonder why. And after spending some quality time with skyrim SE wanna make a good RPG they better tighten up.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:36:15 AM

Newsflash, there are more RPG genre than open world MMORPG wannabes like Skyrim. Second newsflash, there are fans of other RPG genre out there that find your comment offensively stupid.

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Beamboom
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:02:18 PM

Highlander,
I understand you are upset, but... "MMORPG wannabe"??? I don't think it is Skyrim who has been accused of that... ;)


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Lawless SXE
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:31:08 AM
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I was just thinking that S-E could actually be on to something here. FF is actually a surprisingly diverse brand and they could use that to their advantage. I mean, continue the Ivalice series, for example, pushing an action based RPG, like Nier out, perhaps bringing Fortress back to life?

They could also do spin off titles and sequels, like FFX-2, XIII-2, Versus, Type-0, Dissidia, Theatrhythm, and The Crystal Chronicles. They could even bring up Haeresis, or goodness only knows what else. If done properly, rather than simply churning out another numbered entry every year... it could work, maybe probably...

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Yukian
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 7:18:37 AM

But if they do that then a few highlights of the series will be gone: the quality, originality and story could be massively compromised...

"I just thought of a new spin-off game! Let's call it Chocobo Hunt!"

Yep, any time now...

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raptassassin
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 6:17:44 AM
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Bring it on square enix i'll support you. You old folkes thumb me all u want but it won't matter. I enjoyed final fantasy 13 and i'm sure i'll enjoy FF 13-2 and FF Vs13 and by the way i've try the old Final Fantasies on PSN what a waste money and they were boring. i see why square enix changed final fantasy. The final fantasy series should have just stayed with nintendo. playstation ruined final fantasy not square enix.

(by the way i'm 25)

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Yukian
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 7:11:45 AM

You just contradicted yourself... If you didn't like the old Final Fantasies, why the hell do you want Nintendo to keep it? Makes absolutely no sense...

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 7:21:15 AM

Right, because Sony (PlayStation) made the FF games that's why they ruined it. *rolls eyes* And you thought the old Final Fantasies suck? Ask anybody who has played all FF games and they'd easily name those old games as the best FF games ever. I know younger people than you who could actually bring up valid reasons why they prefer the newer FF games without sounding like a raging fanboy.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:53:26 AM

Here's a hint: don't talk about something you know NOTHING about. It's painful when people do that.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:37:12 AM

You old folks? Stop there, delete your account and leave, you're never going to fit in here with a piss poor attitude like that.

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:08:04 AM

rapture06,

Maturity will always rule, not age.

So start talking with maturity, young grasshopper

BTW, I'm 59 & have been gaming from the very beginning, & that's been a hell of a lot longer than when you were even first formed as a sperm deposit.


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Jawknee
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:25:28 AM

Lol! Kids these days.

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 2:03:04 PM

Yeaaahhhhh.....



Moving on.... lol

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Jutter
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:24:25 PM

I'm only 18 and I still prefer the older Final Fantasies. FF10 was the first one I played start to finish and it is definitely better then anything with SE on the package. Loved the older games like FFVII, VIII and IX once I finally got to play them on PSN as well. I have nothing against the newer FF and still enjoyed playing 13 and 12 but the older entries are much better in my opinion.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 2:00:41 PM

You could almost say the newer ones deserve an 8+ metacritic score while the old ones deserve a 9+! lol


By the way, the OP is crazy. I'm also 25... I fail to see how that gives him any more weight to his argument.

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Excelsior1
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 6:54:09 AM
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Japanese game production is an issue this gen. They have lost their way so to speak and have no confidence in their abilities anymore. They covet the western market so badly that it has messed with their heads. It's like they have no vision anymore. They use to be the leaders of the gaming industry...now they are just mostly followers. It's a shame becuase I don't even think they have hit bottom yet.

It's not just Square that has dissapointed this gen. Capcom has done a lot of damage to RE series with RE5. Then they tap a crappy western developer for a follow up. I think these Japoanese companies have terrible leadership at the top and have shown little ability to adapt to the changing gaming market. Dazed and confused is how I would describe them for the most part.

Just look at FF vs 13 development cycle. Not to mention The Last Guardian. These games have been announced around 5 yrs ago...ridiculous that any game takes that long to make.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:46:08 AM

No, that's not true. Some developers in Japan have lost this. Notably the developers in Japan that have this issue are the ones with the most involvement in attempting to westernize their games. The developers that continue making their games the way they always have are not having this issue.

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ZenChichiri
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 8:06:30 AM
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This is Square's current idea for FFXV:

You wake up in your home to a ringing coming from beside you. Your friend calls you on your magic wand, which transposes a 3D hologram of him in front of you. He’s in trouble with the government, and a secret force, named the Crystal Nebula Secret Military Expansive Forces, is after him. Luckily, even though the inside of your home looks like a typical fantasy house, when you press a button underneath your kitchen sink, the walls flip and all kinds of secret agent gadgets and weapons come out.

You grab your starting equipment (an assault rifle, a sword with a scope attached, and milk) and after solving a puzzle about how to put your shoes on, you feed your cows, then bound off onto your chocobo. While the chocobos are still yellow in color, they look much different. They have spiked wheels instead of feet, nitrous boost, and customizable decals on the side. As you’re racing towards your friend, a gang of chocobo riders pull up beside you and force you into a race for your life. As you race them through the city, you may get into random encounters, but if you’re able to score a headshot on the other racers with your scoped sword, then your encounter rate will go down.

Upon arriving at your friend’s location, you realize it was a betrayal, and you must take cover and use your assault rifle to take out your enemies that are much akin to Middle Eastern people. When you confront your friend about the betrayal, he says that he had to do it to protect his family, and really the Crystalluminati was behind it. As your friend is about to pass away, you have a chance to revive him with a defibrillator, but you have to solve a Rubik’s Cube to generate enough power because Rubik’s Cubes are extreme.

I think that will cater to the markets Square is trying to target.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:53:38 PM

I'd totally buy this..

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Warrior Poet
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:46:09 PM

Actually, that sounds like a pretty awesome game.

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DrRockso87
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:46:12 AM
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Shorter development times are great, sure (granted annual releases like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision are not) but one way Square can make amends is by TALKING about their games!!

Seriously, I know this will probably be my six-hundredth time asking this but where the hell is Versus XIII?! Square seriously brings this upon themselves. I remember during E3 when they said Eidos "saved" them because they had nothing to show besides Final Fantasy XIII-2 (apparently Western gamers don't care about Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Type-O, Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance, etc.)

Unbelievable bunch of morons. If it wasn't for their top-dollar franchises keeping them afloat (Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, etc.) and Eidos, Square-Enix would be bankrupt already.

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:19:54 PM

agreed. Talking about what they are doing would be much appreciated. Delays for Square is nothing new. So rushing out annual releases would be catastrophic.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:51:15 PM

I feel another DNF coming on when it comes to Versus.

Seriously, so many gaming events have gone by, and not a single word of Versus.

I thought they wanted to focus on action games, but they have ditched their most promising action-rpg since Kingdom Hearts.

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:33:30 AM
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Can Squiare Enix learn the wrong lessons in any other way? I mean talk about a square peg in a round hole. Those 'triple A' western titles like CoD and Assassin's Creede are different fecking genre of game. They are not RPGs and do not therefore have the same development cycle as RPGs. Apart from anything else, part of the reason both of the mentioned titles have such short turnaround times on their next episode is the fact that next to nothing is done to improve their game engine from game to game. The fact that there is a world of difference in the genre comparing action games with RPGs seems utterly lost on Square Enix.

Let's recap. They want to make action games not RPGs. They want to use the Unreal Engine because their own engine is too good and doesn't run well on the western console, Xbox 360. They still can't complete FFXIV. Vs might as well be re-announced as a multi-platform game since we all expect it to go that way. SE think the answer is faster churning of games rather than increased quality because sticking a pile of crap under the noses of gamers every 12-18 months will keep it fresh, but serving up a gourmet meal every 3-4 years will bore gamers. Finally, it seems clear now that XIII-2 is part of this new fascination from SE for churning out episodic games of questionable comment to keep 'fans' interested. A pity that SE's fans long ago were abandoned by them and all they have now is the folks that bought FFXIII based on the name value alone.

If anyone is lost, if any Japanese developer is hopelessly behind the times they must be Square Enix. They are so pathetically out of touch and lacking in confidence that they must slavishly copy the episodic development practices behind CoD and AC? I have never seen any developer take the wrong lessons from a situation quite so skillfully as Square Enix. I have no more polite words for Square Enix, I really don't I have to stop commenting now because I don't believe that there is much point in attempting constructive discussion further, nor would I be able to do so. All I have left is to say that this is embarrassing and pathetic.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:50:06 PM

You sum the entire thing up perfectly.

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karneli lll
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:10:07 PM
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As much as i hate SE now i have to admit that they are just trying to stay in the game. The way they see it is: Take 3+ years to create a game and it sells 3 million copies or crack out a rushed game with a few tweaks in 1 year and it sells 10 million copies(rinse and repeat annually)...i always thought call of duty is the beginning of the end for games.Even Ubisoft has taken this route with Assasins Creed, so lets occupy Ubisoft as well!!! Viva la hardcore

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Highlander
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 1:18:34 PM

Episodic game development?

I use to think that one way that this could go would be for a good developer to build a game engine, and then deliver episodic content. so let's say for the initial game, you pay $60 and it includes a full game's worth of content, as well as the basic engine. Then the following year, or perhaps just 6 months later, there is a $20 game release that provides X hours of additional content - the game engine remains the same. Then on a 6-12 month cycle, another $20 game launch that simply provides the additional game content and uses the same basic engine. Sure the developer might update the engine, provide bug fixes, but other than that, it's all about creating a platform and delivering content.

The trouble is, that this doesn't fit all game genre. Call of Duty could easily go the way of World of Warcraft, and to be honest I think that this 'Elite' thing kind of points in that direction. It would be a much more reliable income stream.

That said, I think that gaming in general is done a total disservice by this kind of development because it dampens down innovation and the creation of new engines, new games and new ideas. If the industry shifts towards enhancement and extension, then what about the new games and new experiences?

Square Enix might see this as the future, but I see it as a dead end for gaming and the companies that pursue it. it's a dead end because it creates a dependence on a single product and a single audience. When that thing goes out of fashion, or takes a mis-step, that's the end of the gravy train, and that can really hurt an organization.

I really hope that this is not the way the industry goes, but if it is, I will jealously guard my game discs and replay single player until my fingers no longer will hold a joystick.

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Underdog15
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:27:04 PM

Assassin's Creed is still good, but even I, a devout AC defender as many here can attest to, find myself disappointed in the lack of quality annual releases is causing.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:47:20 PM

No, thats not the case.

COD and AC are GOOD games. Thats why they sell so much.

Annual releases are nothing to do with it, if AC and COD had longer dev time, they would still sell millions.

A COD game takes 2 years to develop, across multiple teams.

These are also franchises, that build off the previous installments.

FF wouldn't work with annual releases, not in a million years, they are all brand new games, with no carry over from the last game. If $E could make a game franchise that was good, then annually release it, sure whatever. But all of their current franchises are awesome (most of the time) partly because of their story telling ability, and the fact that by the time they come out, the fans miss the games.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:40:55 PM
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You have got to be kidding me.

Really?

Really?

REALLY?!?!

How?! How can a company be THIS stupid?!

NEVER in my entire life have I ever seen a company that was trying to commit financial suicide like $E.

Do they really want to start releasing new FFs every 1-2 years? The fans will get over that SOOOOOOO quickly.

COD wins because it is a multiplayer powerhouse, it is like, getting a new expansion pack for your favourite multiplayer game every year.

AC is seeing a minor drop in consumer interest, because there are too many too soon.

I don't think I could handle dumping 100+ hours into a game every year. I have 5 games atm to finish from this year. But then again, if they released a new game every year, I doubt they would be very good.

Another sign that FF7 is not coming.

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Akuma07
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 3:59:18 PM
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This whole thing reminds me of the Meji Restoration.

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Warrior Poet
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 5:48:34 PM

Wow, I didn't expect to hear that comparison...but I can see where you're coming form ;P

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:54:37 AM
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pure bullshxxxxxxt. just shut the f****ck up SQueeeeenix.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:37:45 AM
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FFVII - 01/97
FFVIII - 02/99
FFIX - 07/00

It seems that shorter development cycles are not totally anathema to the creation of great JRPGs. I thought this latest comment was the first bit of sense I've heard from S-E in ages. You all have been complaining that there aren't enough JRPGs this generation and now you're upset that they will be released more frequently?

That said, "the best way to keep our fans interested and attracted to the franchise" would probably be to make games that feel like they're part of the franchise.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 2:03:51 PM

There aren't enough jRPG's this generation.

The answer is not releasing FFXV as an actionRPG, nor is it to fill the entire jRPG void with a million of the same franchise.

The trick is to spend TIME to make just ONE incredibly, hands-down outstanding turn-based jRPG with a thick story that lasts more than 10 hours. THEN, when people see a quality jRPG being successful, more will be made by other developers, and old IP's that used to be huge will resurrect.

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raziel2kain
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 5:46:06 AM
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Square enix dedicates itself to ruin its good reputation. what if someday we hear the news about the same release date of ffv13 for rubbish xbox360?

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raziel2kain
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 5:46:24 AM
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Square enix dedicates itself to ruin its good reputation. what if someday we hear the news about the same release date of ffv13 for rubbish xbox360?

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Ather
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:50:02 PM
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But you see, Mr. Kitase, the triple A title makers also put out good games people want to play.

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