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Where Will The PS3 Rank On The Greatest Console List?

Arguing about the greatest perceived console of all time is like arguing about politics. It usually goes nowhere and people just end up pissed.

But with all these rumors about the generation winding down and after five years of the PlayStation 3, maybe we should ask the obvious question: where will Sony's latest machine rank on the Greatest Systems of All Time list? It's tricky...

It had a rocky start but then again, so did the PS2 and, to some extent, the original PlayStation. Then there was the awful hack earlier this year, and the fact that the Network took a little while to get going. But if you go by the determining factor (games, duh), it seems like the PS3, with its amazing list of exclusives, might deserve a spot somewhere...but where?

Being an RPG lover, I have to say the original PlayStation might be tied at the top with the SNES. I have nothing but fond memories of Nintendo's second console, which is why it's still hooked up in the bedroom. And despite all the great RPGs on the PS2, I still say the PS1 remains the King of the RPG in my opinion. I played a good 40 on that system (still own 30 or so) and I have to say, so few let me down. Squaresoft was king in those days, remember.

But that's me. Others loved the Dreamcast and N64 (both of which I really didn't like), while still others will say the Saturn and Genesis were underrated. Of course, one has to make allowances for historical impact, and mention the original NES, Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, etc. There's lots to consider but based on what we've already seen from the PS3, where do you think it'll fall on your personal list...?

Tags: sony, ps3, playstation 3, greatest consoles, greatest systems

11/21/2011 9:10:35 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (89 posts)

Shams
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:42:58 PM
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Call me a fanboy, but I've never had as much fun as I've had until this generation. Uncharted series, InFamous series, GTA4, Valkyria Chronicles, Wipeout HD Fury, Ratchet & Clank, KillZones, Ninja Gaidens all won my heart. If the ps1 generation was the era of RPG's, this was the generation of shooters. But even still, the generation had something of every genre to offer to everyone.

Could be that I really only got into gaming recently, but even then that is a testament to this gen. While many are growing out of the hobby, it managed to snatch me back in and with a vengeance.

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Shams
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:45:26 PM

And I also gotta thank Ben, Arnold, and John, and the rest of the good folks here at Psxextreme. It's been a fantastic ride, and it's not over, yet.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:25:21 AM

Fanboy!

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Shams
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 10:55:47 AM

Heh, I guess i did ask for it.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:58:01 PM

;)

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maxpontiac
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:43:40 PM
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For me, the PS3 is #1. There has never been a console that has done so much for me.

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godsman
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:07:24 PM

Absolutely agreed. I have never left a console on for so long in my life. The PS3 is either playing a game or a movie. Each day, I play it for 5-10 hours a day.

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Nas Is Like
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:40:30 PM

Beat me to it. PS3 to me is a super console, that has fulfilled many of my wants and needs. That's why I love it.

I would have so many babies with it if I could.

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Temjin001
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:45:07 PM
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Easy. PS3. There's never been a system with better games. No other prior system has had games that play as good or look as good. Near all of the genres are better represented today than ever (sorry, jRPG's cause the "near") I get to fight online with Tekken 5-6. I get to explore an unparalleled RPG like Skyrim. I get to engage in cinematic action like Uncharted. I get to traverse building tops as Cole or Batman. I can engage in heavily refined and intense multiplayer experiences.
Granted, yesterday's games may have warm and fuzzy feelings attached to them. But not a one of them could release today as they are, without them feeling dated in more ways than one. And a great many of PSX's and PS2's games have come across to PS3 via download, and the latter getting HD makeovers, making for a better than ever experience.

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Shams
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:50:24 PM

I remember hesitantly holding on a chunk of change waiting for me turn in the dark arcades at Uni. And then feeling of relief years later knowing I never have to go back when I can play against and with players all over the world from the comfort of my bedroom. And that happened first on my quaint PSP playing Wipeout Pure and Pulse (while I waited to purchase a ps3), and with Tekken 5:DR on the psn.

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Geobaldi
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:46:10 PM
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For me it ranks maybe around the middle of the pack. It just didn't impress me as much as I had hoped it would before launch. Considering that I can go months at a time without turning my PS3 on speaks volumes for me. Compared to the first two PS systems, which received regular playing time throughout their lifetimes, the PS3 is a bit of a letdown in my opinion. So for me, as I've been gaming since '82, my top console is still the SNES, followed by the PS, PS2, Colecovision, Intellivision, then the PS3. Not the best, but not the worst either since there are just as many behind it as in front of it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:48:53 PM

You started playing when I was 1 year old, wowza. Of course, I started shortly thereafter :)

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Geobaldi
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:51:15 PM

Lol. Still remember my 6th birthday. Unwrapped Frogger for my Atari. Me and my dad played the heck out of it.

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Phoenix
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:33:05 AM

I've gotta agree with you Geo, for me the PS3 has been a let down, it's a fine system but to me it just feels hollow, as it's the games that make the console I guess I can see why, and much like you, I go months without turning it on sadly.

I've been playing since '85 myself, so my top 5 would be SNES, PS1, PS2, NES, and Dreamcast in that order.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:46:46 PM
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Wrong name for the article, it should be PS3: Great System, Or The Greatest System?

Seriously though as an RPG lover I'd have to give it to PS1, but PS2 is overall the greatest system of all time I think for its sweeping coverage of all genres in a fantastic way and a true super-leap in generational change that buried arcade gaming once and for all (not that that's a good thing but we used to dream about having a home system as good as an arcade game).

If Sony had a dedicated studio for RPGs my mind might be changed but they don't, plus it has somehow managed to be the best system and still underperform in many ways against 360 in the multiplat market. Things aren't as bad as they used to be, but we still get the shaft again and again with glitches and bugs and late content and what have you. That's not really Sony's fault except it was a bad idea not to pay for exclusives or give the old fashioned programmers enough GPU to work with.

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Shams
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:58:56 PM

I loved my ps1 because of the wipeout xl, wipeout, FFVII, Tekken 3, and wipeout 3. I loved my ps2 because DMC 1-3se, and Tekken Tag, and my DreamCast for Soul Calibur, and my N64 for Wave Race. Yeah, I know, I'm a guy of simple tastes. But even with the PS2, DreamCast, and N64, they still left me admiring what I saw in the change chuggers.

It wasn't really until this gen, especially with online gaming maturing, that I never bothered again to walk into an arcade.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:01:19 PM

I would agree that the ps2 was the best consoles ever. By a long shot. The ps2 had tons of game in every genre, lots of hidden gems and niche titles.

I feel like the big budget games of this generation, combined with companies trying to get every penny possible out of consumers, has taken away some of the magic.

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Shams
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:03:59 PM

Ah, I forgot Shadow of the Colossus. Probably because I didn't get to it until i played on my ps3. That game definitely goes down as one of the most eerily memorable experiences in gaming. Another feather in the hat of the ps2.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:27:06 AM

@World

I agree Sony has underperformed in the mutiplat market. We do still get the shaft in terms of bugs and glitches. Look at at Bethesda for example. They still do not seem to have a handle on the PS3. Apparently Skyrim has some game killing lag on PS3 once your save file gets too big. That just sucks becuase there is no way to avoid becuase everytime you save your main game file size increases. I love Bethesda games but they do not run so great on the PS3. Even after all the patches Fallout 3 performs terribly at times. Some sections are almost unplayable...the DLC can be bad in particular and Bethesda still has not fixed it!!! Broken Steel for example chugs along at 5 fps at times. Even the main game can do that. Constant freezes that force you to reset. I have almost considered getting a 360 just to play Bethesda's games.

I have wondered about the impact of MS getting early DLC, and multiplats tending to run better on the 360. Gamers aren't stupid. They know this. If a gamer tends to favor multiplats I really can't argue against their choice of getting a 360. I don't like it, but i understand it.

I like your idea of Sony having a studio dedicated to rpgs. A studio dedicated to jrpgs would be even better.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:36:17 AM

Bethesda games are buggy on every system.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:19:31 AM

@Fsnr

That is true but buggy in particular on the PS3. I have seen Fallout 3 on the 360. It runs better. Even looks a little better. I watched my cousin play Broken Steel on the 360. It ran just fine. Absolutely does not run just fine on the PS3. More like it barely runs at all. I don't know if Bethesda just forgot to patch it or what. I downloaded all their patches for the PS3 version but some of the DLC still runs terribly in Fallout 3 goty...Even parts of the main game.

Then we have Skyrim where the PS3 version gets crippling lag if your save file gets too big. No way to avoid it. The 360 version does not have the same problem so I think it it is fair to say Bethesda still does not have a handle on the PS3. I blame them for not cathing that. They released a broken game on the PS3 apparently. I know they will patch it but why is it only the PS3 version that has this problem? I guess Bethesda tested the game on the only PS3's on this planet that do not experience this problem. We are talking about game killing lag in the PS3 version once the save file is too big. This is not a little bug. I tell you what. I will never buy another Bethesda game day 1 again.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:39:18 AM

That's weird, I never heard any of my friends say that when they are playing it. I'll have to ask them again to see if anything has changed.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:02:25 PM

Broken Steel is unplayable, I had to reset so many times. Skyrim has a lot of lag on PS3 and I've had to reset twice from some really weird hangs, but it isn't enough to make me want to stop playing.

The frames per second don't drop a ton like in Oblivion, but instead things just "jump" ahead. And sometimes the game never catches up with the jump or you have to wait 3-5 minutes for it to catch up.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:04:16 PM

The lag in oblivion wasn't bad it was in certain spots on the map that needed to load for me, other than that it worked smooth.

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Fox hounder
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:52:26 PM
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PS3 is in my top 5, but my favorite of all time is the N64.

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Cpt_Geez
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 9:59:33 PM
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1. SNES
2. PS2
3. NES
4. PS3
5. Genesis

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VampDeLeon
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:07:18 PM
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PS1 is the number one for me, though I started out with an Atari 2600 for Pacman, and would play many NES and SNES games at my Aunt's place. When I got the PS1 I literally felt it was the ultimate system, with all those great RPG titles and adventure games. Not to mention it was officially my system that I could play with at whatever leisure.

I actually liked the blocky graphics, it sort of gave the characters their own charm since then you could look forward to the FMV and see how the developer's envisioned the characters to look. If anything, I only got a PS2 finally because they had officially stopped making PS1 games in 2003/2004.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:16:28 PM
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Without letting nostalgia cloud my judgment, I'd say PS3 is probably #1 or close to #1. I've been playing games since my Sega Genesis, but I never have seen such a diverse variety of games that I love on any one system. I think this generation in general has pushed games to places we haven't seen before (see: Uncharted series) that truly makes it an EXPERIENCE.

N64 is up there too because I remember being blown away by the analog controller, Super Mario 64 and Goldeneye. Oh, and the rumble pack

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Xra897
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:18:51 PM
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we shall see after next year. i think its a tad bit too early

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Warrior Poet
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:19:09 PM
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The best system you can have is probably the backwards-compatible PS3 - but that's because it also plays PS1 and PS2 games. Ports and compilations means it actually reaches back into the NES, SNES, Genesis, and even Atari libraries!

As much as I love my PS1/2/3/P, I've gotta say...Game Boy Advance is the greatest console ever. Yep.

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firesoul453
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:04:21 PM

GBA is an awesome but N64 is better!

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:20:35 PM
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My gaming goes all the way back to the old Pong/Telstar Alpha/Tandy Computer(that's Radio Shack now to all you youngsters)/and Texas Instruments days.

For myself at this moment, my list would have to be....
1. PS2
2. PS3
3. PS1
4. Dreamcast
5. 360
6. Intellivision/Colecovision (Tie)
7. Panasonic FZ10 3DO

The PS3 would have to come in 2nd just due to the much bigger & more diverse 1900plus game library the PS2 had, but I DO expect the PS3 to replace it at the very top my list soon enough.

BTW, My PSP's would be in the #4 spot if we were adding handheld's into the mix.
And I'm pretty sure that when my Vita preorder is in my hands, it will wind up knocking the 360 out of my 5th spot on it's very 1st day.

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Vidius
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:53:27 PM
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1. Nintendo 64 (First system I had, big attachment)
2. Ps2 (Big library of games and ps1 compatible)
3. Wii (Fun games with friends and Family like Mario Kart, Party, SSBB and Twilight Princess)
4. Ps4 (Uncharted, Resistance)
5. Sega Dreamcast (my friend owned one and Chrono trigger was beast)

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Vidius
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:01:55 PM
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I know that this is a ps oriented site but I feel that Ninty made the biggest impact this gen because they introduced us to a little word named FUN! Especially when we play with friends and family.

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firesoul453
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:02:21 PM
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Ps3 is without a doubt for me number 2!!!!





NIntendo 64 simply is the best game system ever made! RARE made what are probably the best adventure games ever made.


(and you know what happened?!!!?!!?! MICROSOFT NOW OWN RARE!!!, for what they did to the best game company in existence, I will also dislike Microsoft )

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AntDC
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:12:04 PM
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If there's one thing I'm sure we can all agree on, it has certainly been the most resilient. Thinking back to 2007 (something I don't particularly enjoy... Those were dark days to be a PlayStation fan...) this console has truly come a long way. Sony just ignored the noise coming from journalists and continued to shape it into what it is today; unarguably one of the greatest video game consoles of all time.

As Ben has also pointed out in the past, it easily wins the award for the most talked about console.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 11:23:49 PM
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I go way back to the NES days. Hahaha, I still remember sneaking in my parents room just to play my NES system, I guess I wanted to showoff, proved to them that I could rescue the princess.

There is so many great memories. past memories when I was a kid playing games beats anything that is else today.

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Mogreen
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:21:51 AM
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Ps2... No standouts still have over 30 games that I still love
Ps3... My standouts - uncharted 2 gta4 mgs4 nba 2K10
Ps1... My fav standouts MGS smackdown 2 Tomba
Sega genesis... My fav standouts - comix zone sonic 2 streets of rage 2
Super Nintendo... My standout - Super Mario World

Yea the systems are in order of my greatest to least greatest. But since ps2 has been out all the way til currently I play games or spend time on playstation 10x more than watching movies,cable,on the internet.

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:23:06 AM
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NES, Sega Genesis, Super NES, PS, PS2 -- These five consoles gave me the greatest joy out of video gaming, my entire youth, childhood, adolescence, 20s, grew up with playing games on these consoles. I could not even imagine what I would have become otherwise without these consoles and games on them. Hence, these are my greatest 5 consoles.

With regard to the PS3, since it offered the greatest titles such as MG4, Uncharted2/3, Heavy Rains, Demon Souls...it can be said a great console, but it loses points for not having one single truly classic, great, everlasting JRPG, therefore I do not place it among the legendary five consoles I listed above.

p.s. this generation PS3/360 are guilty of driving the industry more greedy, more pragmatic, more profiting orientation, less intuitive, less other worldly, less perfectionist, less artistic... this reduces points too, from my point of view. it is since this generation that gaming officially became a multi-million dollar business tailoring towards the mass public, and NO LONGER a niche market and no longer only "boy"'s love, passion, life, dream, everything; it is also since this generation that releasing a game is no different than releasing a blockbuster hollywood movie in which video pre-views, reviews, testings, interviews, Beta, exhibitions everywhere, gaming is no longer mysterious, no longer sacred, the cut scenes are readily available everywhere... I know it is not just PS3' fault, but PS3 is guilty of that partially as its graphical power is the drive.

games like ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, MGS2/3, Castlevania SOTN, FF4/6/7/8/9, Chrono Trigger/Cross and such became a rarity and only the true perfectionist and genius like Kojima or Uetda are still holding off there artistic vision and not just focus on how well the games would sell. Gaming industry require such dedication which can been seen everywhere in the SNES, PS1/PS2 era.

Sorry for off the topic, but these are related topics when talking about generation of consoles.

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Qubex
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:56:35 AM
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Good discussion question Ben... for me I was brought up primarily on Commodore Machines, so my list is as follows for the most memorable gaming hardware and experiences!

1] Commodore 64
Last Ninja I/II/III, Turrican I/II, Elite & Thalamus Games)

2] Amiga 500
(Defender Of The Crown, Rocket Ranger, Shadow Of The Beast)

3] Amiga 1200
(Psygnosis Games - now Evolution Studios, Syndicate etc)

4] PlayStation 3
(Uncharted I/II/III, Killzone 2/3 etc)

5] PlayStation 1
(Crash Bandicoot/VRally etc)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 1:07:38 PM

Awwww AMIGA! <3 <3 <3


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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 1:08:12 AM
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I've never had as much fun or owned so many games for one console, or enjoyed so many different genres of games than on the PS3, so it's easy for me. Not to mention, despite not having these luxuries 10 years ago, the PSN, all the downloadable tittles, blu-ray, the list goes on. Even if that's not really fair to judge on, I still can base my opinion on the software alone! Its an amazing console with so much to offer!

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___________
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 2:10:57 AM
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hmmmmmmm hard.
id have to say best was definitely the ps2 then the ps1, N64, SNES and then genesis.
all a sh*t load better then the ps3 though!
so many freaking awesome games they had, especially the ps2 there is not enough paper in the world to list every amazing game it received.
ps3 though........
well, id be able to count them on 1 hand!

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Spineshank
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 8:19:44 AM

In Psychology you'll learn that older memories are more fond due to the simple fact that the human being tends to suppress unpleasant one's subconsciously. Give it ten years and you claim that the PS3 reined supreme.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:47:45 AM

This is true. But for me, I also have memories of, even though I had some new games, wanting to re-play some over and over. I still beat FF7 every 2 years on average. My favorite game of all time was within the last 5 years or so. For me, my disappointment in the current gen is solely because my favorite genre is no longer made.


So I feel for me it's a little different.

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___________
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 9:20:06 AM

no, no i wont.
i play my ps1 and ps2 games all the time!
i play the original crash, and original looney tunes games on the train on the way to work every day!
currently searching for a 60GB ps3 so i can play my R&C collection again too.

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gray_eagle
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:43:47 AM
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ps1
ps3
ps2
atari 2600
nes

if it was'nt for sony and the ps1, who knows how long we would've
kept buying game catridges.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:44:58 AM
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It definitely has to sit behind the PS2 and even the PS1 in terms of popularity. The PS1 was the first console I paid for by myself and it's also when I fell in love with Sony. There were so many kick a$$ games on the PS1. We had MGS1, the RE games, Dino Crisis 1 and 2, Silent Hill, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Parasite Eve, Star Ocean, and tons of other great jrpgs. Squaresoft kicked out all kinds of great games. FF7, 8, and 9...what a great series. I definitely remember being blown away by MGS1 becuase of the great story and all the awesome voice acting. Look at all the great games I mentioned. Notice how they were all made in Japan. Sony had a huge impact on the gaming industry that gen. They went for more mature gamers. A lot of adults were playing the PS1...it was in a lot of living rooms. Ofcourse MS did not like this and they decided they wanted to be in living rooms as well.

The PS2 was even more popular and we continued to get all kinds of great games from Japan. DMC1 was great. FF10, Onimusha, Silent Hill 2, and 3. Dragon Quest 8, Suikedon series. MGS2 and the awesome MGS3(wow, blown away by its jungle setting). RE4 was awesome as well. Sony absolutely owned that gen. Ofcourse that was a lot of fun for me becuase I am a big Sony fan.

Okay, so we get to the PS3. Very rough start this gen for Sony. That was tough on me becuase I am a big Sony fan. Even tougher watching all my friends go over to 360 crowd. Oh well, I give Sony a lot of credit for turning things around to some extent. It has been a tough uphill fight for Sony this gen but I think they have learned some painful lessons...they had a very expensive system that was apparently tough to make games for. Gamers were turned off by the price. Developers were crying about how tough the PS3 was make games for. All kinds of inferior multiplats floating around at the start of this gen. Sony's obscure marketing at the start of this gen did not help. Weird demon baby ads, and telling people to get 2 jobs...pretty crazy stuff. I think Sony kicked Ken Kutaragi upstsairs after the PS3's early problems. Oh yeah, the Japanese gaming industry has seemed to have lost their minds trying to figure this gen out.

Anyways, the PS3 has survived and enjoys great software support. Sony has all kinds of great developers lined up now. They also have a decent online infanstructure now. I have played many great games this gen such as MGS4, Infamous 2, Heavy Rain, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, and Skyrim. The PS3 does not seem to have any really great jpgs so it takes a hit for that in terms of where I would rate it.

Objectively speaking I guess I would rate the PS3 somewhere in the middle. I want to rate the PS1 as my favorite system but I wonder if nostalgia is clouding my judgement. Like Ben said there were so many great jpgs though. The truth is I love all of Sony's consoles. It's tough picking one over the other becuase they have all been great.







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Kain81
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:40:44 AM
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My top 5 Consoles
1. PS1
2. SNES
3. PS2
4. PS3
5. GC

PS1, SNES, PS2 This 3 Consoles have the BEST JRPG library in HISTORY, in my opionion at least...

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Zubair
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:44:16 AM
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PS3

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Fane1024
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:47:37 AM
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For me, it's no contest. The PS3 provides experiences impossible on previous systems, just as the PS2 did. Games are getting closer each generation to what I want them to be.

I love some older games, but they just don't measure up to those of the current generation.

PS3 is #1. The PS4 will be better still.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:29:10 AM
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Well, since the ps3 is my first console my vote goes to... The ps3. :)

No but really, from my perspective games has never been better than right now regardless of platform, I would never ever want to go back in time.

... Hmm... That's not true, I'd love to be able to jump back in time but that's not to play games! :)

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raptassassin
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:47:53 AM
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hmmm
interesting my top 5 consoles would be this.

5. X-Box 360 (Hate me if you well. but once you over look the hardware failures it a pretty darn good console for its time)

4. Playstation 2 (besides the current Ps3 this is the only Sony Playstation gaming system I ever had the opportunity to enjoy and even on a limited bases. don't have the freedom to choose my own games back when it first came out.)

3. The Super Nintendo System
2. Playstation 3

1. The Nintendo 64 (sorry folks in my eyes the nintendo 64 is the best gaming system ever hopefully the new WiiU may top this. laugh if u well fanboys but i'm giving it a chance. I will laugh if the Wii U blows out the Ps3 & 360 and people ignore the next sony or microsoft consoles. mean really were can Sony & microsoft go from here.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:45:27 AM

"mean really were can Sony & microsoft go from here. "

Really far. All the WiiU can do is catch up.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 1:48:23 PM

rapture06,

If you'll think about it for even a single moment, you just might realize that somebody who calls everyone else out as a "fanboy" every other second.....

....is only seeing a piss-poor immature image of themselves being reflected back upon from their own personal 3-inch sized vanity mirror that they keep in their wallets just such self-absorbed emergencies.

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Vivi_Gamer
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:49:34 AM
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I have enjoyed the PS3 (Though I still don't think were at the end quite yet...) But when you compare the line up in comparision to the PS1, not chance! The PS1 just anhilated all it had top tier games for every genre at the time. Even in comparison to the PS2 I don't think I can say it has been better. Last gen we had much more exclusives, while this gen most have jumped over to the 360.

This gen will always to me be remembered when consoles went mainstream. Before this gen you would never see gaming adverts in the cinema. And gaming was not a form of media to stand up to film or music. Now I believe the general public has warmed to gaming, which has its perks but then it also has it's downfalls.

But we have had some great new titles this gen, Uncharted, Catherine, Heavy Rain, so this gen has no way near been bad, its just so many franshises i previously loved let me down (Devil May Cry, Tekken, Resident Evil, Silent Hill) and the rise of the FPS this gen is not something I particually like either. But teh worst thing this gen is DLC, before you would just pop a disc in and play, I fear to buy a game brand new incase of DLC or a special edition down the line.

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Robochic
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 7:08:24 AM
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For me I really don't have favorites i know that sounds stupid but I have fond memories of every console I have played and the game for it.
Genisis-loved michael jacksons moon walk
Ps1-final fantasy
Ps2-Kingdom hearts
Ps3-UC series
Atari-Space invaders
Xbox-ddr
N64-conkers bad fur day
Gcube-zelda
Wii-Epic Mickey

these are a few memories and the games that have made my gaming experience a great one.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 8:49:48 AM
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I would not comapare the PS3's rocky start to PS2's. That system was hit right from the start and absolutely owned that gen. There were some negative rumblings about it being hard to make games for but that did not stop it from being a hit. It was so popular developers had no choice but to figure it put. Games like GT3 which appeared about 8 months after launch showed what the PS2 was capable of. MGS2 impressed many at E3 with its graphics. FF10 looked great. Games like that seemed to quickly shut down any negativity, and Sony quickly established themselves as market leader that gen. Sony got exclusives almost by defualt since the controlled so much of the gaming market.

A lot of POSITIVE buzz around the PS2's launch. George Lucas was talking about it. Toy story graphics were rumored to be possible. The only thing negative I remember is some rumblings about antialiasing issues but that was quickly sorted out when great looking games showed up within the first year of the PS2.

That is WAY different from what we saw this gen. It wasn't just a few negative rumblings...it was more like an off the richter scale earthquake regarding the negativity surrounding the PS3 at its launch. Dark days indeed that I will never forget. Anyways I would not compare the PS3's rough start to the PS2 or even the PS1. The PS1and especially the PS2 won their generations pretty easily. A lot different outcome this gen.

The more I think about the more I want to go with the PS1 as number one becuase of all the great jrpgs. Plus so many great series accross many genres were introduced. The PS2 would be number 2. It had a HUGE gaming library. So many great games. The PS3 would be number 3. Great games but not as many. No top teir jrpgs kind of sucks, but I have adapted. I give the PS3 credit for being resilent this gen. They survived that sh!tstorm of negativity somehow and are almost tied with the 360. Again tons of credit to Sony for righting the ship so to speak.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:14:50 AM

Overestimating the "horrible" PS3 again, huh?

Maybe you just chose to ignore the news when the PS2 launched. Putting launch systems vertical would almost guarantee scratched discs. The Toy Story graphics were supposed to happen immediately, not eventually, and everyone was laughing at Sony because they weren't even close.

Developers HATED the PS2. Hated it with a passion. They were all annoyed at Sony for blindsiding them with an incredibly difficult piece of architecture. Many gamers were saying the Dreamcast had better graphics and the PS2 was a colossal waste of money.

You know, the PS3 isn't always sh** and everything else compared to it isn't always godly. I know you keep wanting to believe that, but it's getting old because you still don't seem to do any research whatsoever.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:43:08 AM

You know, Ben, I was extremely worried about the PS2 at first. That Eternal Ring, or whatever it was called, game was unimpressive to me, and for a bit, that was sort of the game the PS2 had.

But once FFX came out, all my doubts melted away. That game was the biggest graphical achievement for a long time, and the gameplay was -SO- fun. Finally... a final fantasy game that used your ENTIRE party.

Anyways, once the prowess of that game came out, I knew it was only a matter of time before developers learned. Most other people did, too.

Admittedly, though Ben, although I do disagree with Excelsior, the one point I would agree with (which he actually didn't say, but I'm helping him out a little here, lol) is that the PS2 did recover from the bad reputation a lot more quickly than the PS3 did. Mind you, there weren't Xbot's to tear it down and pretend it can't do anything, but it did recover faster. I think it's because of the dev support Sony had that is less apparent. With the major competitor being an easy to program for system, most devs took the easy route early on. A route they didn't take in the PS2 era.

PS3 is GROTESQUELY underestimated by North American society. But it wouldn't help if more devs would actually TRY to make masterpieces besides Naughty Dog and friends.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:54:34 AM

It didn't really recover faster at all. For instance, you're talking about FFX and that once it came out, you knew what the PS2 could do. But FFX didn't come out until 14 months after the system released.

2001 was an amazing year, but it didn't really start until the summer for the PS2 with Devil May Cry. For a while, most people were just pointing to the launch lineup and the Dreamcast, not to mention the upcoming Xbox, which concerned a great many more Sony fans. And when it launched, some gravitated to Microsoft's console just for Halo. That was one year after the PS2 released.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:57:38 AM

Wow, never said horrible PS3. Just s bad launch period compared the PS2's. Developers may have hated it but it still was a hit. Not even remotely close to what the PS3 went through at first. Any negativity was quickly shot down that first year with the PS2. Gamers loved the PS2. The rumblings were minor compared to what the PS3 went through. Yeah there were comparisons to the Dreamcast but the PS2 quickly overtook Sega despite those claims. It's plain nuts to think the PS2 or even PS1 went through anything close to rocky start the PS3 did. The PS3 went through a double whammy of developers hating and gamers not liking it very much either. Gaming mags and sites turned on Sony. Remember the famous EGM monthly issue that featured a tomato splattered PS3 on its cover? There was not a single media outlet out there that was not taking shots at Sony at the start of PS3. That's way different than what the minor in comparison problems the PS2 went through. Problems that Sony was able to tap down pretty quickly in regards to the PS2. You can believe what you want as well but you are just flat wrong when you try to compare the PS3's rocky start to the PS1 and to PS2. Those systems were hits and WON their generations when the all the dust settled.

@Underdog


Thank you for helping me try to describe the situation around the PS2. I did say the PS2 seemed to quickly sort out any negativity. At least I tried to say that, but again thank you for helping me Underdog. The way you put it is perfect and better than what I said.. The PS2 did seem to shoot that down any negativity pretty quickly. We got GT3 aspec that first yr which looked awesome. The MGS2 demo looked great. I agree with Ben about DMC1. That game had a big impact. This is what I am trying to say... The PS2 and Sony were such a powerhouse last gen the just steamrolled over any negativity and the Dreamcast as well. Does that make sense? A lot people blame Sony for killing off the Dreamcast. It was more complicated than that beuase Sega was up their backside in debt plus a lot of retailers lost confindence in Sega becuase of the Saturn. No doubt that the PS2 streamrolled over all the competition though despite the complaints from developers. It was a hit right from the start. Most negativity was tapped down that first year. That was not the case this gen. I am just trying to realistic about what went down this gen. I completely agree with your statement about NA society underestimating the PS3. There is still some small degree of negativity around the PS3 in NA to this very day which is strange becuase NA used to love Sony.

What is funny is being on British sites when they are trying to figure out why the 360 is so popular here in NA. Some think its patriotism or besuase we love guns but I do not think it's that. I know there is a lot of peer pressure regarding the 360. I think a lot gamers have been convinced by their friends to get one. I have experienced a lot of that peer pressure myself but the only console I will own is made by Sony. Some of my friends have even told me I am not a real gamer becuase I don't own a 360. Yeah, I know...get new friends, right. But that's the kind of crap you have to deal with in NA. I could say they are not real gamers becuase they do not own a PS3 but I don't have that level of meaness that a lot of XBOX fans seem to have. Where does it come from? The internet probably has had an impact there I guess.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 11:09:20 AM

Sorry pal, your blind hate of the PS3 during its first year is just overriding the facts.

I worked at EB when the PS2 was launched. I was doing stuff for other gaming websites. You obviously weren't around for the tremendous flaming the PS2 went through in forums across the Internet for at least a full year. You obviously didn't bother to notice developers flat out saying they wouldn't make games for the PS2 because it was, quote, "impossible."

You're underplaying what the PS2 went through to make the PS3 look worse. In no way was the PS2 a "hit" right out of the gate. It took a LONG time for Sony to turn a profit on that; the entire company came under fire for generating a product that wouldn't give Sony a dime for at least a year, maybe two. Gamers did NOT flock to it like it was the second coming; Nintendo and Sega fans hated it and they were awfully vocal.

You can believe what you want. But none of what you're saying is true. I lived it...apparently, you didn't.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 11:58:17 AM

Believe what you want as well. You are the expert. The pal dig was uncalled for. You are overstating what the PS2 went through to make the a PS3 look better in comparison. What the PS2 went through was a hiccup in comparison to what the PS3 went through. No freaking comparison. The PS2 sold out everywhere. If you did not get one at launch you were screwed. FACT: the PS3 launch was a disaster in comparison to what the PS2 went through. I think many here would agree with me despite your attempts to OVERSTATE what the PS2 went through. Minor in comparison and tapped down very quickly. I can't believe we are even arguing about this. Not once did I worry about Sony's place at number one last gen becuase the system was mainly in 1st place in monthly sales that entire gen. I do believe you when you said you heard some vocal complaints at EB games from Nintendo or Sega fans.

Sony established themselves as the market leader in the very first year of the PS2. Within in 2 years they were dominating becuase of all the great games. That's not a LONG time sir. We got great games like GT3 aspec within the first year that shut down a lot of complaints. Games like DMC1, MGS2, FF10 showed what the PS2 could do. The PS2 was one of the most successful systems of all time. Any negativity that was around the PS2 was slapped down just as easily as Sony splapped down the competition last gen. Believe what you want as well, but the PS3 went through 10X more negativity when compared the PS2 and it lasted much longer as well. I think you are overstating what the PS2 went through. The PS2 sure did not go through the absolute revolt by gamers, and the media alike that the PS3 went through. The only thing I would agree is some developers complained about the PS2 but all that nonsense seemed to get shot down pretty quickly. I would even say developer's complaints were minor in comparison to what the PS3 in that regard as well. Remember Gabe Newell saying the PS3 was a broken system and was a complete waste of developer's time?

Anyways I guess we see things differently but that's okay. That's what threads are for.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 1:48:08 PM

I see what both of you are saying.

Ben, I was pointing more towards general reception. Maybe it's a local thing, but with the competition provided by Microsoft this generation, the PS2 issues just seem to me to have been less of a big deal at the time, than the PS3 first year issues were at the time.

I'm not even suggesting the issues are any worse on one generation or the other. But I don't really see the Dreamcast as something that really rivaled the PS2 like the 360 has rivaled the PS3. I believe part of the reason PS3 got so much more hate is because of the popularity of the 360.

That's what I'm pointing more towards.

It could be that I just pay more attention to gaming media now than I did 10 years ago, of course. I just don't remember anything from 10 years ago being as bad and rage-ridden as when this generation started.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 2:42:45 PM

I don't really consider the Dreamcast as a true rival either to the PS2 since they exited the console war prematurely in 2001. Many blame that on the arrival of the much hyped PS2. The PS2 is the best selling console of all time with a 147 million units sold. Xbox came in second place that gen with 24 million. GC was third with 21 million. DC was last place with 10 million sales. A lot of gamers and retailers were skeptical of Sega becuase of the problems Sega had the previous gen.

Anyways, just look at the beatdown Sony put on the competition last gen. If the PS2 had a rocky start it sure is not reflected in the numbers, and they sure seemed to recover pretty quickly. What a great success for Sony!! Did you know the PS2 outsold both the PS3 and 360 in Feb 2008 in the US? That was not that long ago really. Pretty impressive. i completely agree with everything you just said Underdog. Especially the part about the PS2's problems seeming minor in comparison to what they PS3 went through, and most of the hate being becuase of 360 fans.

I think the PS2 was really helped by the strength of the Sony brand early on. Many gamers were looking to upgrade with same comapany. Sony gave them a system at a reasonable price point so they went ahead and took the plunge. They trusted Sony to deliver and I sure think they did. The DVD capabilties of the PS2 and bw compatability were a big boost as well early on. Sony was able to use its popularity to secure great third party exclusives. I think all these things kind of reinforced each other. It kind of put a protective shield around Sony last gen. Any complaints leveled at the PS2 sure seemed to bounce off pretty quickly. Gamers knew many great games and exclusives were in the pipeline. Again we got GT3 aspec about 8 months after the PS2's launch. That game looked spectacular. The gaming media and gamers loved it. That and things like MGS2 at E3 got huge reaction from gamers. Games like that seemed to help deflect any early crtitism around the PS2. People quit talking about what it could not do after seeing those games. After the other systems arrived it was clear who within that first year of true competition who the winner was going to be. Sony all the way.

Anyways, I want to be crystal clear. I love Sony and my PS3. I would rate all of Sony's consoles in the top 3. I owned a N64 and and a GC but I spent have spent 99% of my gaming time and money on Sony's systems. I am not ashamed to say my gaming heart will always belong to Sony. Another thing. I have zero hatred towards Sony becuase the PS3's performence this gen. It's more like a feeling of dissapointment I would feel in regards to watching a loved one putting themselves in bad situation and me being able to do very little about it. Frustration, dissapointment..Please do not confuse that as hatred.



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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:19:59 PM

I fully believe piracy destroyed the dreamcast singlehandedly.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 3:45:52 PM

Stop yelling at me and stop pretending like your opinion is superior.

Exactly why are you talking about how many PS2s sold lifetime? What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were talking about the launch. Do you happen to know how many PS2s sold in the first year or first two years? You have no idea, do you? Let's just say this- based on those years, NOBODY, not ONE ANALYST ON THIS EARTH, would've believed the PS2 would sell 150 million units.

Of course you couldn't find a PS2 at launch. Couldn't find a PS3, either. In both cases, Sony simply didn't meet demand. And by the way, do you know what the sold : returned defective ratio was for the PS3? That old fat machine was pretty damn reliable; its "rocky" start came in at no more than 5%, which was WAY better than EITHER the PS2 or PS1 reported retailer defective numbers in the first year. Virtually ALL launch PS2s would fail and completely ruin discs if placed in a vertical position.

I'm sorry, I really thought something like that would've been labeled as "severe." Oh wait, it WAS.

But you didn't know that, did you? Or how about this: for at least two years, GameSpot and IGN were accused of purposely knocking down PS2 scores. In fact, it got to be so bad, it was a running joke amongst gamers. You're big into facts, so here's another one, whether you want to admit it or not-

It's painfully obvious that you paid MUCH closer attention to all the negative press the PS3 received, and flat-out ignored the negative press the PS2 got. It was there. Trust me, I read it. I read it for a full year. I read it up until MGS2 and GTAIII and FFX. And by the way, despite what you think, a LOT of people looked at Resistance: Fall of Man on the PS3 launch lineup and were at least mildly impressed with what the system could do. The PS2 launch lineup disappointed a lot of people with games like X-Squad and Eternal Ring. SSX was great but it was hardly a, "holy God, this is the new generation!" experience.

Lastly, Sony was working with third-party developers to increase their understanding and comfort level with the PS3 in the FIRST YEAR. And do you know WHY? It was because after the backlash Sony felt with the PS2, when developers were completely blindsided and received NO help, Sony decided to learn their lesson.

The PS3 got sh** for a while. It probably did get more crap than the PS2 for a longer period of time. But the gap is nowhere near as big as you want to think. You do realize that you've hurt your position by continually making posts about how PS3 sales always suck (which has routinely been corrected by myself and other members)...? You just always seem to have a major problem with the PS3, which is why you lose all objectivity when you try to make accurate comparisons.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 4:29:51 PM

Excelsior-

From now on If I was you I'd bring up some resources you've come across when arguing, and trying to make a point. Aside from this topic you tend to "blurt" statistics out without fully understanding. Many times have you been caught doing this and you have to then retract your satements. Theres nothing wrong with opinion but if you feel so strongly to argue it, it helps to have back up.

Ben continuously brought up resources aside from his opinion where everything you said was subjective because it's purely on opinion. Ben supplied enough information and resources in each of his posts that would make someone understand and agree more with, because they are seeing more, more evidence is provided. For example, from him working at EB and seeing it first hand to using developers comments to help his argument. You've shown nothing but opinion and again your bringing a knife to a gun fight. Go get those RPG's and come back.

Again there's nothing wrong with opinion, but if your going to argue and you want me to agree with you, show me something besides opinion.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:54:01 PM

My position at this site is just fine. I get along with 99%of all members and have tried to a good member here. Even Jawk and I are friends now. I got 6 PSXEXTREME members as friends. Sure I get some thumbs down at times but I get a lot of thumbs up too. That is unless you are referring to my position with you. Frankly, I can live with that. I'm here to interact with this sites great community. I don't want you to dislike me, Ben but you are the one that has been so abrasive on this thread, though. I did not yell or get snide digs in. I don't think my opinion is superior but I'm pretty sure you think yours is. I must live in an alternate universe where the PS2 smashed the competition and quickly smashed any negativity as well. I guess your experiences were different. The running joke in this thread is that you might possibly believe the PS2 got as much crap as the PS3 did. Not from my point of view. You are just blowing up the PS2's early problems to back up your point of view.

If Sony worked so well with 3rd developers then why did they get so much crap this gen from developers? Saying Sony worked with third party developers early this gen becuase the backlash the PS2 got is really reaching becuase the backlash was even worse this gen from developers. Tough to work with, poor tools, etc...If they worked so great with third party developers at first we would not have got all those crap multiplats. That situation took almost 2 years to correct. It still lives on to this very day to some small degree. The truth is Sony did not show up with great support early this gen. They sure did not seem to make a system that was friendly for developers. They should have had better tools and given developers more GPU to work with. Then at least we would not have had to live through all the developers bashing the PS3 early on. That crap generated a lot of negative press. Developers were complaining they were having problems with the PS3 and Sony did not have the answers or the tools for them at first. That's what you call working with third party developers early this gen? You must be speaking about the VITA becuase that what I heard about it. Sony was working with developers from a design standpoint this time becuase of painful lessons learned during the PS3. Sound familar? I do think Sony will make a better effort in that regard next gen.

I don't always have a problem with the PS3...I just think it had much more rocky start and has not been as successful as Sony's other systems. That's on topic for this thread so is that okay pal? Anyways, peace Ben. I hope you do not hate me.

@bigrailer

You are correct I have retracted statements when I was shown to be wrong. I have messed up statastics twice that I know of. I am not too big to admit that. I tell you what I make sure any numbers I quote now are accurate. I guess this a subjective topic since we are talking about where a person would rate a system. I just do not think the PS2 went through nearly as many problems as the PS3, and the problems did not seem to last as long. I think Underdog even agrees with me on that point. I guess I would point out the final numbers of the previous gens once all the dust settled as evidence. If the the PS2 or even the PS1 had a "rocky" start then I would say the PS3 fell flat on its face. Sony won those 2 previous gens pretty easily. The PS1, and PS2 were just more popular. I don't even think that can even be disputed. Yeah the PS3 just flew off shelves. I'll give you $1200 if you can find one shelves with in a year. Crickets and PS3's still sitting store shelves is what the response to that statement was early on. Sony was in for fight for their lives early this gen. The PS2 or PS2 did not go through the same thing.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:07:55 PM

You just don't have any stats or resources to back anything up. That's a problem.

Of course there were issues with multiplats during the first year or so; the PS3 was SECOND to the market. The 360 had been out for a year; devs were used to that platform. The PS2 was out first. Was out for over a full year before the Xbox or GameCube. You can't see the difference?

You keep thinking the PS3 has done terribly. But here's one last stat you should think about before continuing to bash the system's success-

The PS2 beat the Xbox to market by a little over one year. The Xbox never had a chance of catching the PS2; it never got close.

The Xbox 360 beat the PS3 to market by about a year. As of now, the worldwide tallies are actually within a few million of each other (about 62 million to 58 million, and MS's numbers are all shipped). This means the PS3 tracked down the 360 despite the one-year head start.

...that's sort of significant.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 7:40:03 PM

I am not saying the PS3 has done terribly. Just not as good as Sony's previous systems in terms of popuarity or marketshare. Plus they had pretty poor launch this gen. Considering what Sony went through this gen I would say the PS3's numbers are very respectable. Pretty good when you think about it.

Yes the PS2 was out first but that was not the only factor in its success. The power of the Sony brand carried the PS2 early on. MS was a new player that gen. Nintendo had lost a lot of popularity the previous gen. The DC was not really a factor for obvious reasons. Being out first helped but I think Sony did a great job of transitioning PS1 owners to the PS2. A lot of gamers thought Sony delivered with the PS1 and were looking to upgrade with the same company I think. Again the DVD feature and bw compatabilty helped as well early on. It really did not seem to take that long for some great games to show up for the PS2. Again I got to give a lot of credit to GT3 aspec, the MGS2 demo, and even the DMC1 demo that came with the RE Code Veronica X. Oh, I forgot to mention Onimusha. That was the first PS2 game that sold over a million copies. Japan to rescue of the PS2 that gen with a great pipleline of games. When I really think about that gen it seems it was all great games the PS2 had that helped it dominate that gen.

Does anybody remember the game called The Bouncer? It was an early PS2 game that had great graphics. The gameplay was not considered that great but I thought graphics were awesome. That was a Squaresoft game I believe. It got dinged becuase of length/gameplay issues.

All this talk brings up a lot of great memories and even nostalgia regarding Sony. I remember driving an hour through a snowstorm when I finally tracked down a copy of RE2. I was very young then. I think we can all agree that Sony has given us so many great years of gaming. They are still a major player despite what went down this gen. What does kill you makes you stronger, right? I do not think Sony will repeat the same mistakes next gen. I give Sony a ton of credit for turning that nasty situation around with the PS3 for the most part. They have a ton of great developers lined up and are very well positioned for next gen. Things are looking up.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 8:28:20 PM

Too much nostalgia, Excelsior. That's where you're running into trouble.

Just as an example, I loved The Bouncer. I defended it every chance I got. But do you know why I had to defend it? It was yet another PS2 game that somehow didn't deliver and everyone was quick to leap all over it. That was a common trend back then, but I guess you just don't remember it.

The PS2 launch systems had terrible reliability issues. Many were worried that Microsoft with their deep pockets would pose a serious problem, and Halo stole a ton of the PS2's thunder in 2001. The sales numbers during the first two years for the PS2 were NO indication as to the final sales potential.

It just wasn't as grand as you remember it. And the PS3 wasn't as bad as you keep saying. I think you should just accept that.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 10:00:09 PM

You liked the Bouncer as well? I guess we have something in common. :) What's funny about that is I had a friend that defended the hell out that game as well. I liked it for what it was and replayed it many times becuase I loved the look of the game. It got me excited about the possibilities of what FF would like like on the PS2. Square sure did not dissapoint either. FF10 looked fantastic and was a stellar jrpg as well. I am still waiting on an elite jrpg this gen btw.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:08:11 AM

I actually found some stats or resources to back up what I was saying since I was told I had none. Pretty good chart that has all the major systems on it consoles sales charted year to year since their introduction. Here we go.

www.majornelson.com/2011/06/03/a-few-stats-before-we-head-into-e3/

It has the year to year sales for all the major systems. The line for the PS2's and Wii sales are almost identical the first 2 years. Uncanny how similar they are it certainly supports my claim the PS2 was hit right from the start becuase we all know what a massive hit the Wii was its first 2 years. The Wii and the PS2 are fastest selling systems in gaming history within their first 2 years of introduction. They chart so close that first 2 years you can't even tell the difference on that chart.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:11:08 AM

You really aren't getting this, Excelsior.

The PS2 HAD NO NEXT-GEN COMPETITION when it launched. The PS3 had to compete with the Xbox 360 that had already been available for a year. There is a colossal difference from a market standpoint.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 11:13:33 AM

Ofcourse the PS2 had no serious competition the first year(unless one considers the DC)but you said in your reply that in no way was the PS2 a "hit" right from the start. On that point you are just flat wrong.

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slugga_status
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 8:56:41 AM
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So many different consoles I've had since a kid this is tough. So many good memories of each with great games. I'd have to go:

1. PS2
2. NES
3. PS1
4. PS3
5. SNES
6. Genesis
7. xbox 360
8. Sega Saturn



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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 9:35:55 AM
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Still waiting for a 9+ title from my favorite genre this gen.

Obviously, the PS3 is the greatest system ever made. But if I'm going to rank it, I can't compare the absolute power of technology, because nothing, past or present, can compete with the PS3. So, I'm ranking based on the entertainment each system has given me in it's hay-day.

1. PS1
2. SNES
3. PS2
4. NES
5. PSP
6. Gamecube
7. PS3
8. Xbox
9. GB Advance
10. Genesis


Yup... I love me some PS3. More than anything of the current gen. But too many devs that make games for this generation are underachieving. PS1 not once let me down. Not a single damn time. People talk about their backlog on PS3, which I also have, but I had one for PS1, too. Some I still haven't been able to play.

jRPG's used to be my bread and butter. They made up 90% of all my gaming for YEARS. This generation, I've gone back to past generations to play what I like more than I have ever dipped back to the past.

I love Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, and everything else the PS3 has to offer, but nothing can satisfy me like a sick-storied, AAA quality produced jRPG. Too many games now are rushed out, and quantity has become more coveted than quality.

I was NEVER frustrated with developers before this generation. Ever!! Now I am. Even my favorite franchise this generation is dipping (although only slightly) in quality. (Assassin's Creed) My favorite franchise since the SNES (Final Fantasy) for the first time isn't a must have.

The PS3 is hands down the best system out there. But the support doesn't match it's quality. This generation has been a lot of fun, like any other generation, but I'm still wanting more.

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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 11:52:33 AM

I understand your disappointment in PS3 because you're such an jRPG buff....but how do you rank Gamecube better??? That was the biggest console let down for me.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 1:52:12 PM

I think part of it is because I never even considered it to be my jRPG provider. I got it for the new Smash Bros game, some Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, etc. I also love the tales of games, and Gamecube had a couple. I also liked Paper Mario. I also experienced Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube, which isn't a fair argument, but still.

I went to Nintendo for my mario stuff, zelda, metroid (surprise surprise) and it gave me a few extras I liked too. Sony was my go to guy for jRPG's. I guess it's higher because at the time, I had a good mix of systems and I was getting everything I wanted from gaming through one system or another. That's probably why gamecube is up there, but still not as high as PS1 and PS2. If it was my exclusive console at the time, I likely wouldn't rate it as high. Perhaps it's not fair since it was more of my secondary.

edit: I should also add, I loved all 10 of those systems.

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DjEezzy
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 12:43:07 PM
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I'd say...
Snes
Ps3
Ps2
Ps1
NES

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DemonNeno
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 6:47:41 PM
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The PS3 is the only reason I'm gaming on a console instead of a PC. None of the newer systems ever interested me as much as the SNES. Those were huge shoes to fill. Toss in my hiatus with gaming (for the sake of learning web design/scripting/programming) and my console gaming was doomed. I loved a few games for the PSOne (rented it from a local video store.. The system with games), but was turned off by the aiming/camera controls with analogs that the PS2 heavily utilized.

That said...

- SNES
- NES
- PS3
- Colecovision
- Genesis

I was so infatuated with RPG gaming for the SNES, but Sega's Genesis brought the best arcade experience to my home. Anything from Final Fight (Guy wasn't in it), Street Fighter (characters moved backwards differently and levels looked far less colorful) and Mortal Kombat (far more codes to free-up more of the Arcade expereince in the first two games) played much more like the arcarde siblings than on the SNES.

I'm not saying the PSOne and PS2 weren't great, but I'm definitely saying N64, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and SegaCD sucked big ones. Personally, Nintendo made a huge mistake by making the N64 less of an RPG machine and more of a an action/FPS-type deal. The analog controls were horrible, being that I was in the thick of PC gaming with a keyboard and a mouse (far more accurate than the "sticks" were).

I'm disappointed I passed up the PSOne and PS2. I'm doing myself the favor of revisiting as many of the RPGs that catch my attention as possible.

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Hestar
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:39:44 PM
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Ps2
xbox 360
Ps1
Nes
Ps3


that's my top 5

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berserk
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:17:28 AM
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Ps1 ( i m a jrpg fan and was a square fan ), tie between snes and ps2 , nes , n64 , ps3 , gamecube , xbox360 , dreamcast , finally a long way after xbox .

Can t really put the genesis in there since i never owned one .

The lack of great jrpg right now make me lose my gaming spirit more and more .Thakfully it s still fun to replay the great jrpg of the past .

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berserk
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:17:29 AM
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Ps1 ( i m a jrpg fan and was a square fan ), tie between snes and ps2 , nes , ps3 , n64, gamecube , xbox360 , dreamcast , finally a long way after xbox .

Can t really put the genesis and wii in there since i never owned those .

The lack of great jrpg right now make me lose my gaming spirit more and more .Thakfully it s still fun to replay the great jrpg of the past .

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phade2blaq
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:18:30 AM
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For me when ranking all time consoles, durability is one aspect that I hold in high regard and sadly the Playstation line of consoles are not that reliable.

I've owned all Playstations 1,2, and currently a 3 and the one thing they all have in common is overheating, freezing, dre and skipping.

On an all time ranking list, I would place the PS3 at number 8 out of ten ! The lack of rpgs hurt the PS3 !

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Lairfan
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 @ 8:43:07 PM

Man, you must think the 360 is the worst thing ever then.

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Lairfan
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 @ 8:46:21 PM
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I think I'd go with the PS2 being my number one console of all time, the PS1 being number two, and the PS3 being number three.

Only reason I'm ranking the PS3 at number three is because this gen has brought DLC overload and multiplayer addiction to the industry. That's not the PS3's fault, but it has resulted in lower quality multiplats on the whole. Its definitely given me some of the best experiences I've ever had in gaming (aka Uncharted), but as far as the online aspect of it goes, I kinda wish that part of gaming had been left out this gen.

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