How Much Of A "Gamer" Is Playboy Model Jo Garcia?
Jo GarciaYou're just going to have to forgive me for this. I recognize the fantasy for gamers; I understand it better than most, as I've been part of video games since the Atari days, when girls and gaming went together like oil and water.
So yes, I get the fascination of an attractive female gamer. For those of us who grew up during a time when games were stigmatized and stereotyped like crazy, it's like finding an avid Dungeons & Dragons player who also poses for Playboy. It's like striking gold on Mars. I get it.
But there's this highly realistic and somewhat cynical part of me that won't shut up. It has to ask questions. It looks at all angles, it considers the nature of our society and most importantly in cases like these, the nature of business. Justin Bieber can't sing a note. Never really could. It's just artificially enhanced digital audio for the sake of selling an image, which results in a gajillion dollars by preying on naive teens. And no, it's not a generational bias; none of the New Kids on the Block could sing, either.
The point is that we sell packages when it comes to entertainment media. And while Jo Garcia would've received plenty of attention simply for being a Playboy model, the question remains- would she get as much attention without adding the unique appeal of "nerd love?" Look at the picture here: a "Tron" t-shirt and an Xbox 360 controller. Obviously, the packagers in this situation are aware of their targeted demographic, and by the way, so is Playboy. Check out the magazine's Gamer Next Door blog for Jo.
For the record, I am not questioning Garcia's video game past. I'm not doubting her when she says she grew up playing video games. However, I have to call into question her "hardcore gamer" label at the current time. It's just too convenient; she had the perfect opportunity to give herself a singular sort of attractiveness and she took advantage (either that, or her agent/manager did). Given her lifestyle, I find it difficult to believe that she hangs around the house playing video games and preparing reviews.
Of course her reviews are in video format. Everyone's going to watch that analysis. And I'm not saying she shouldn't do them, and I'm not saying she doesn't play the games she talks about. I'm just saying it might not be a big hobby for her anymore, and it might be a mistake to assume her gaming habits are just like yours. And as far as being a journalist goes, she isn't one, but that doesn't bother me. I have no problem with personalities being in the limelight; it's kinda what they do.
But when all is said and done, we may just have to accept that the "Gamer Next Door" is spending a bit more time attending events and in general, being outside the house, rather than sitting in front of a TV. But by all means, if you'd rather consider her a true-blue anomaly, feel free. I'd hate to pop the fantasy bubble.
P.S. By the way, Jo, your Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception review on the front page actually links to your Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 review. ...I could say something about Activison's involvement, but I'm sure it's not true. ;)
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Victor321
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:15:46 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:22:41 PM
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:49:57 PM
"Ben Dutka changed status from 'single' to 'in a relationship'"
Tsssk, "toss me a link", you playa. ;)
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 9:56:13 PM
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Since Jo has replied back, maybe this could be the perfect opportunity to contact her for a PSXE interview and find out what she's all about, gaming wise.
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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:24:54 PM
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cLoudou
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:44:56 PM
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:47:04 PM
PSN DRM change in effect now, and remote deactivation now detailed
As of November 18th, Sony's revised DRM for the PlayStation Network has gone into effect. All new game purchases made on the PlayStation Store will be limited to two devices.
But, how can you ensure that only the systems you have access to can use your account?
As promised, the ability to remotely deactivate your gaming devices has gone live. The process is easily completed via the web, but comes with a few caveats. For example, you'll only be able to perform the wipe once every six months.
To see how many PlayStation devices are activated on your system, you'll want to log into the Sony Entertainment Network.
You'll be able to deactivate individual PSPs by connecting the system and following the instructions.
However, if you don't have access to a certain system, whether it be stolen, misplaced, or sent for repairs, you'll be able to do a remote deactivation of all your PlayStation systems. This will deactivate every system you have, and can only be done once every six months. You'll then be able to activate devices by accessing the PlayStation Store from the device, or using "Account Management" from the XMB.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/71160/psn-drm-change-in-effect-now-remote-deactivation-detailed
(via PSN Stores)
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Pandacastro
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:29:06 PM
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Pandacastro
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:40:28 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:07:53 AM
cLoudou I see your help as well! Much appreciated
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Neo_Aeon666
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:33:48 AM
Got a PS3 in my room, one in the living room and the other one at my parent's house lol... 5 devices was ok. I thinnk they should review their policy. Steam does not limit my access to my games so long as I log in to my account. It's just them playing with fire. Hope they burn.
And yeah I could just re-activate, de-activate but it is a pain. 5 was already limited. It should be unlimited as long as you are logged in to your account.
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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:27:16 AM
I think the reason why they are doing this is so people don't abuse the 5 slots and game share with people. (If Memory Serves)
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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:26:48 PM
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cLoudou
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:40:20 PM
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rogers71
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:28:41 AM
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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:41:38 AM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:00:18 PM
Turned 59 of the 5th of this month.
I just didn't put 2 & 2 together on all those initials, & probably because I never cared for any one of those producer-made fake boy bands.
"Barf!"
Anyway, I'm into real music & not that canned money-making stuff that was just "molded" to become cash-cows by sucking all the cash out of real young, and easily swayed-by-looks, female teenyboppers.
But that's just my own opinion....
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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:13:27 PM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:05:28 PM
I'm into some light jazz, some older disco, almost all blues, rock, hard rock, and also love me some techno music. And your country's own AC-DC is one of my all-time favorites too!
If you want to experiment, try finding some sampling of these albums from a few of my electronic/techno favorites, or even some electronic producers of rather wispy lilting music too.......
If you have surround sound or the Sony surround Stereo headset, I highly recommend using them, relaxing way back into the the couch or chair & then closing your eyes, just to heighten & maximize your experience....
Depeche Mode(best albums are Violator, Ultra, & Exciter)
Jon Michele Jarre (Oxygene, Oxygene 7-13, The Essential 1976-1886)
Andreas Vollenweider (White Winds, Eolian minstrel).
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:32:25 AM
But we do have The Guess Who!
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BikerSaint
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 1:41:31 PM
Anyways, I love the Guess Who too....Theses Eyes, American Woman, etc, etc.,
Along with some of David Clayton Thomas's own solo work after leaving Blood, Sweat, & Tears, which was another band that I liked.
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:40:53 PM
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All I have is Jo's Twitter link, but you should be able to make contact with her & go from there....
http://twitter.com/#!/Gamernextdoor
Hope that helps
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:02:13 PM
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Spineshank
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:47:26 PM
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:56:43 PM
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Ok, I've got a contact link for Jo.....
http://www.jogarcia.net/#!contact
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La_Bete12
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:07:13 PM
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anyways...I doubt this chick. I'm also the kind of person that questions everything and thinks deeply about them, and there's just something about her....idk what though.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:18:28 PM
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If you like it, you make it work.
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nogoat23
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:28:42 AM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 2:23:06 AM
As for this topic. I am very skeptical that she is really a hardcore gamer. She already loses some points for having her front page U3 review link to MW3 instead. Yeah it would be great if Ben could interview her and put her knowledge of videogames to the test. A hardcore gamer should have some pretty good knowledge about videogames, right? It's going to take way more than her commenting on twitter that she really rather be home playing games to convince me. The more I think about it who really cares if she is or is not. I'd rather Ben interview key figures in the gaming industry. Ben, just for kicks have you ever tried to submit an interview request for Mr. Kojima? It never hurts to ask right?
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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:32:39 AM
Do you have Skyrim? I'm playing Skyrim now and I'm not experiencing lag. My file size isn't getting to big, it stays about the same. Everytime I save over a file it might go up 200kb, but other times it's gone down. Theres also another way to get past this and it's to just create multiple save files. Have 3 or 4 main saves to keep the size down.
Nogoat-
I'd suggest if you want Skyrim get it. If the lag is really even an issue, which I habnt experienced yet, I would imagine by the time your save file gets that big to cause that, you'll be well into the game. I'm about 8-9 hours in and it's absolutely fine. Obviously I have a lot of game left and anything could happen I suppose. But I highly doubt it's game breaking. And again I don't see it happening (if it does) until your well into the game. By then maybe there would be a patch.
Also just because you work more and don't play as much doesn't make you any less of a gamer.
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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:58:48 AM
But I'm going to get Skyrim for Christmas I doubt it's really that bad as people say.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:26:50 PM
It's a great game. It's more like an experience. Clam you are getting a great Christmas present and by that time this problem will be sorted out. I'm just a litle irked at Betethesda becuase them refusing to send out PS3 review copies makes it look they may have known about this issue.
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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:37:07 PM
Oh, I know. :) That's why I can't wait to get it! :D I also wish they would play test both versions of the game so stuff like this doesn't get past them and be on release.
Oblivion didn't get any attention at all with firmware updates that I know of, I basically didn't see ANY firmware updates for it at all. I just hope they continue to support it better than what Oblivion had. They only patched a few things in the Game of The Year Edition (I think it was that one?) And that was it, nothing else besides that.
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Jed
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:29:59 AM
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:36:33 AM
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Playboy has apparently dropped severely in quality since I last had anything "to do with them". (to put it that way).
Speaking of babes, for my gaming news on video I much prefer Naomi Kyle at IGN.
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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:53:20 AM
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:16:58 AM
But they are kinda excused, they are not a multinational giant like Playboy.
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:52:21 AM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:14:52 AM
That completly went over my head. What other site are you guys referring to?
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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:02:06 PM
You mean other the site other Playboy?
The link to the their Youtube is at the top of this page.
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ZenChichiri
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:02:26 AM
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FatherSun
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:50:04 AM
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I have been lucky all my life. I have had many relationships with women who game. I married one of them too!
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:27:03 PM
I mean, sharp image, good lighting, well edited... But her voice? "Bah who cares - let's just use that webcam mic over there".
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Karosso
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:59:36 AM
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Like Big Ben said, she might game but, I doubt that its her primary hobby or even secondary.
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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:04:31 PM
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:01:27 PM
So what, she plays games for Playboy. She's doing her thing and since she's been doing it for a while, I wouldn't be so quick to start judging. Even if it's only casual although I've seen her regularly turning out reviews, giving out codes for games and just chatting about the latest game news.
Her credentials are no better or worse then IGN's Naomi Kyle or Jessica Chobot. Should they be called out too or is it just because she works for Playboy?
I'm curious where the idea for this topic came from? It seems in bad taste.
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:22:41 PM
I see this as an excuse to point us all to the direction of a babe that talk about games.
"Babe alert - all geeks to the battlestations!" :)
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:50:31 PM
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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 2:27:21 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:17:38 PM
It's a perfectly legitimate and respectfully written article concerning the roles personalities rather than journalists play in our industry. Most can easily see that. Not everything is a drama, forum drama-lovers.
I'm also not a fan of Deadman making a rash personal assumption about "priding myself on breaking all gamer stereotypes." ...amazing how many people "know" me without actually knowing anything.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:24:10 PM
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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:53:53 PM
(but seriously, there are some interesting threads now and then)
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:59:22 PM
a. Professional to call one particular reviewer out at random
b. How is it gaming news
c. Yes you did touch on a stereotype. If she didn't write for Playboy would you be doing this article?
You can coat it up with whatever justification you want but it's sensational journalism and rather egotistical and elitist of you writing an article like this. If you're gonna judge other reviewers expect to be judged yourself. I've seen gaming news from her on Twitter well before it appears here. So she qualifies mate.
This article is trash!
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:04:23 PM
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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:12:32 PM
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:35:23 AM
It kind of feels like you're frantically trying to put someone down for fun. That link just sort of proves to me you're just narrowly missing the whole point here.
I, for one, didn't find the playboy stuff offensive or abrasive. And that twitter stuff looked like friendly banter....
And if it wasn't friendly... isn't that the kind of thing you pride yourself on??? If that was the case, shouldn't you be congratulating Ben for becoming more like you?
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Alienange
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:52:59 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:19:25 PM
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tes37
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:58:41 PM
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She's definitely holding the wrong controller if she expects to be taken seriously. Anybody with enough money and love for games couldn't possibly pass on the PS3.
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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:16:50 PM
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I just hope that M$ isn't paying to influence her, but then again she has said it so much in just the one video I watched, that I've just got to go "HMMMM" & wonder more than a little bit.
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:38:15 PM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:15:58 PM
Take from it what you will, but I never said, or implied that she was one-sided. I only watched 1 of her video reviews in which she stated the 360 at least 3 times & nothing on or for the PS3.
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:52:42 PM
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Conduct a proper one to one interview with her and post that up on the main page. Then go and interview some other girl game reviewers like Chobot or Kyle over on IGN since you would of wrote this article regardless as to whether or not Jo Garcia worked at Playboy.
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
How Much Of A "Gamer" Is Playboy Model Jo Garcia? - PS3 News
Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme I seriously do play. All the time. I am not an event girl unless its e3 pax comicon or ces. I rather be at home playing. Truth
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We don't doubt the truth. Just have to say...the gamer label has worked out for you. This ain't 1986. ;)
Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme Never said you didn't. I just don't like being tagged as a casual gamer. I am far from it. I was a gamer long before playboy.
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor And by the way, we're familiar with hot girls gaming-
Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme The Label blended together with the pb model status is a little unique I will admit. But I spend more time playing then I do out
Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme Just didn't like the part about not being consider HC because I probable spend all my time at events. Far from the truth. LOL
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it. ;)
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor Definitions of hardcore vary...I'm not even hardcore by some standards. What's your definition?
(And why not post up the pic of her covering her breasts with a PS3 controller since this is a Playstation site?)
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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:19:04 PM
(They are 5 and 7)
By the way, from my point of view fellas... when talking about credibility.... I find it particularly amusing that you get extra on edge -after- Ben makes a comment about the elitist mentalities at the forums. He obviously struck a nerve. I would have expected more from you guys.
And by the way... I know I'm on the forums alot now, too... but there is definitely.... 100%... for sure... an elitist mentality shared by most everyone there. It's always amusing to me when we try to defend the forums....
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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:30:03 PM
PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it. ;)
Doesn't help either.
Since you know the forums, you are familiar with my offensive nature. Something I will never shy away from.
It's funny how Limited Vertigo gets defended for having a caustic sense of humor, but us in the forums are not.
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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:04:18 PM
If you look at the timeline you'll see clearly that she wasn't too impressed with Ben's opinions of her.
Also she stopped replying after Ben made his 'We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it.' comment.
If arguing that this article is trash and having an independent opinion makes me elitist, I'm not too bothered by that. I don't consider myself elite anything. The only person I've called to question here was Ben because this article in my opinion is in bad taste and was not researched first.
Maybe it was just a slow news day, but I don't see how this article benefits the site, or the view of gamers as a whole especially when it's this sort of mentality that stops gaming being taken seriously as a form of entertainment that adults partake in.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 8:42:07 PM
We're all doing this in good fun. Everyone recognizes it but of course, they don't. It's a crap drama to them. But they're always right and everyone else is always wrong, so it doesn't really matter what we say.
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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 4:52:44 AM
I don't know if I'd call it "elitist" (although it's probably that too), I think the main issue is a tad too "macho" attitude, the one with the loudest mouths, the alpha males, gets to set the standards for the dialogues. And this is *so* symptomatic for poorly moderated forums.
Really, a good majority of the regular posters there are pretty darn nice people. Intelligent, reflected, with interesting opinions and a good range of topics.
For instance, I like Frostface's posts. He's a good guy in my book. I don't necessarily always agree, but at least he stays on topic.
But the few shouting wolves there tend to grab the spotlight and sidetrack almost any topic and that can be tiresome.
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:05:08 AM
I've learned that if I assume you don't want to insult anyone, that you are all mostly pretty decent guys. But to those un-used to it, the mentality of the discussions is elitist in nature. Think of it not as being elitists... but as exercising an elitist's style. lol
@Deadman
You should shy away from it, though. It's not something to be proud of. I just assumed most people at the forums aren't actually trying to be offensive. But if you are, then that's just an abrasive personality and not very constructive. When people figure out someone is abrasive by nature, they just start to ignore them. I see it all the time.
As for LV, I hate to tell you, but your "humor" isn't quite the same as his. And if he offends someone (which isn't often, as most of his comments are self-depreciating and not at others), people often let him know. Just like anyone else.
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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:34:26 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 8:40:04 PM
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Then you and Deadman take another little jab at us and our YouTube Channel for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Comments like "we're supposed to count ourselves lucky" is childish and insanely rude.
I'm sick of both of you. Do not come into the comments again to trash the site. Having an opinion is one thing, absolutely flat-out being a jackass is another.
The article is not insulting Jo Garcia. It is not bashing the reviewing she does. It isn't even questioning that she plays games. It refers to a very common topic in all of entertainment, it's perfectly legitimate and justified, and absolutely NOBODY seems to have a problem but - surprise, surprise - the two forumites who ONLY post in comments to trash everything about the site.
The hypocrisy boggles the mind. Completely unprompted, these two come in here, first take the time to bash the YouTube stuff we do (operating with two people and a very small budget), bash an article they don't even GET (NOBODY viewed this as calling ANYONE out), and then act like they're just better than everyone. Like someone is attacking their opinion.
Unbelievable. Don't either of you post in this thread again.
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tes37
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:44:23 PM
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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 5:07:39 AM
I'll admit it; I had to think, but then I laughed.
Wonderfully inappropriate :)
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CH1N00K
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:06:50 PM
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When I first glanced at the article my initial reaction was pretty sterotypical. A girl gamer? yeah they exist, somewhere..a Hot girl gamer who poses for playboy? Yeah right!? But then I realized that I was aging myself. Because when I was a kid, yeah, girls and gaming did not belong in same sentence. The few girls that I knew of that actually "gamed" had the personality of a rock and were definitely not playboy material. But who didn't wish for a girl that loved to play games, or at least understood why we wanted to?
And now that mainstream media is trying to tell us that those girls exist, we don't believe it. And for good reason, because now that gaming has gone mainstream, everyone likes to think they are hardcore. And with everyone having their own definition of what hardcore is, it's easy to make the claim. For instance,
"I'm so hardcore that I don't even play online much, because that's how we did it in the old days..online gaming is for twitch players. That's right, I'm kicking it old school!" See how easy that was?
It is quite possible that there are lots of hot gamer girls out there now who are "hard core" Especially since a lot of them are young enough to have had a PS1 as their first system which had an amazing library of games. But at the same time, yes, there is a good possibility that this is just another marketing ploy. The only way to know for sure will be to see how long she stays online as a "gamer".
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:56:53 AM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:33:31 PM
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Either way though, whether she's a hard-core gamer or not, at least she IS a gamer & I DO think we need more female gamers, so the more the merrier.
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CH1N00K
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:33:50 PM
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Frost and Deadman, Taking a shot at the videos on this site was a bit in bad taste. No matter how you look at it, There are now video reviews where we never used to have them. There is now a place and time in Home where the PSX community can gather at once and chat one on one instead of replying to threads. Sure it may need a little polishing, but Ben and the crew are putting some work into this and I'm sure learning quite a bit about video media as they go. But hey at least they are trying to grow the community. You may not agree with what they are doing, but you shouldn't shoot them down for trying.
and Ben, You honestly don't see what they are complaining about? You say you didn't take any shots at Jo, but read the title to your article as if you were Jo herself.
"How much of a "Gamer" is Playboy model Jo Garcia?" You still don't see anything wrong with that? You're title obviously did it's job though, it struck a nerve with her. So much so that she had to tweet about it and PSXextreme, which probably led to more views for this site as well as her own. Which made me wonder if perhaps you weren't selling an 'entertainment media package' of your own.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with either side of the fence here, but I feel as though both sides needs to sit back and think for a second before going for the jugular. Because fighting between ourselves, isn't going to do the website, the forums or the community any good.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm sure some of you will thumbs down me, some might thumbs up me, most probably won't care, but there's my 2 cents, do with it what you will....
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 12:24:27 AM
I'm leaving it at that.
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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 5:12:49 AM
I think of it as part of the atmosphere of this site. On most sites the writer is not that defensive, or even care about what people comment about their work. Ben do care, and do defend it (I would too!), and well, I'm just glad I'm not part of it every time a new discussion arise. :)
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:53:24 AM
I don't really consider "is such and such a gamer?" to be an insult. If someone said to me, "You're not a REAL gamer!!" ... I don't think I'd care. It's not exactly one of my titles I pride myself on... like.... "father" or "husband". lol Know what I mean?
@Ben
I think this is one of the hazards of being involved with the community as the editor-in-chief. Obviously, it's awesome that you interact with your community. You respond to comments, tell people you appreciate them, and you take part in the discussion.
That's not something other sites do, and it's a big deal for me to come here. Obviously, one of your frustrations, is when people act like they "know" you, when they don't. But while that can sometimes cause headaches, it's actually a good thing that people feel that way. Obviously, I don't know you like I would a friend, but as a regular reader, I do feel like I "get" you... if that makes sense. And lots of others feel that way too. So obviously, being a part of the community is something you should (and will) continue to do.
But, you will also get regular nay-sayers who disagree with you. And they'll keep coming for the debate because you -are- so good at being involved. I personally feel that you take the negativity of people, so long as they aren't breaking rules, more as professional feedback. If you hear the same thing from a number of people, then it's something, as a professional, to consider. But in this situation, where you only have a couple out of many who view this negatively, just take it with a grain of salt, dude. And put it in the memory bank in case the same theme crops up again but with greater support.
Just don't go forcing yourself on stress leave, is all. If someone gets -really- out of line and off-base... the community usually crucifies them. lol. I just get the impression that someone like Deadman will jump at every opportunity to tear you down... for fun... and he's proud of it... lol... people like that lose -ALL- their power if it doesn't bother you. And at the end of the day, they are the ones that end up alone. So... no worries, ok?
@Beamboom
I actually am really glad Ben cares enough to get defensive about his work. When a writer loses their pride, they print out all sorts of trash. But when most regulars don't give someone the time of day, I think Ben should save his stress for someone more important.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 10:16:25 AM
I don't care what anyone says about me. I care when they verbally attack the site.
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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 11:41:36 AM
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Goten
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 1:57:21 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 2:26:48 PM
Yeah, every week. 'rolling eyes'
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Goten
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 2:40:00 PM
Note I said every other week and not every week also. The fact you even feel the need to bring it up suggests there is a backwards sexism, women don't need us to defend them, especially when they don't need defending.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:10:51 PM
When I was a kid, no girls played video games. Basically zero. Go to any arcade in the country and try to find one.
They play now. It's kinda worth noting. Christ, and I thought everyone in the US was obsessed with PC.
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Underdog15
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 12:42:31 AM
I grew up gaming, and it was vastly seen as un-feminine to play games until the last decade or so. Most women gamers (which did exist) would never admit to it.
Now, gaming is more mainstream and socially acceptable. Pointing out these.... -FACTS-.... is not a sexist motivation.
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Goten
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 12:42:11 PM
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Maybe its just an American thing, but all of my female mates played games growing up ten or so years a go. They might not have been "gamers", but I didn't even realise it was an issue until a few years a go when it started getting a fair bit of coverage on here.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 2:49:57 PM
It's a fact, regardless of your own experiences.
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Elfen-Lied
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 5:29:29 PM
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fatelementality
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 10:42:43 PM
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BikerSaint
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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 9:47:50 PM
I was just going through my twitter account when Jo popped into it with this reply.....
Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme I seriously do play. All the time. I am not an event girl unless its e3 pax comicon or ces. I rather be at home playing. Truth
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