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How Much Of A "Gamer" Is Playboy Model Jo Garcia?

You're just going to have to forgive me for this. I recognize the fantasy for gamers; I understand it better than most, as I've been part of video games since the Atari days, when girls and gaming went together like oil and water.

So yes, I get the fascination of an attractive female gamer. For those of us who grew up during a time when games were stigmatized and stereotyped like crazy, it's like finding an avid Dungeons & Dragons player who also poses for Playboy. It's like striking gold on Mars. I get it.

But there's this highly realistic and somewhat cynical part of me that won't shut up. It has to ask questions. It looks at all angles, it considers the nature of our society and most importantly in cases like these, the nature of business. Justin Bieber can't sing a note. Never really could. It's just artificially enhanced digital audio for the sake of selling an image, which results in a gajillion dollars by preying on naive teens. And no, it's not a generational bias; none of the New Kids on the Block could sing, either.

The point is that we sell packages when it comes to entertainment media. And while Jo Garcia would've received plenty of attention simply for being a Playboy model, the question remains- would she get as much attention without adding the unique appeal of "nerd love?" Look at the picture here: a "Tron" t-shirt and an Xbox 360 controller. Obviously, the packagers in this situation are aware of their targeted demographic, and by the way, so is Playboy. Check out the magazine's Gamer Next Door blog for Jo.

For the record, I am not questioning Garcia's video game past. I'm not doubting her when she says she grew up playing video games. However, I have to call into question her "hardcore gamer" label at the current time. It's just too convenient; she had the perfect opportunity to give herself a singular sort of attractiveness and she took advantage (either that, or her agent/manager did). Given her lifestyle, I find it difficult to believe that she hangs around the house playing video games and preparing reviews.

Of course her reviews are in video format. Everyone's going to watch that analysis. And I'm not saying she shouldn't do them, and I'm not saying she doesn't play the games she talks about. I'm just saying it might not be a big hobby for her anymore, and it might be a mistake to assume her gaming habits are just like yours. And as far as being a journalist goes, she isn't one, but that doesn't bother me. I have no problem with personalities being in the limelight; it's kinda what they do.

But when all is said and done, we may just have to accept that the "Gamer Next Door" is spending a bit more time attending events and in general, being outside the house, rather than sitting in front of a TV. But by all means, if you'd rather consider her a true-blue anomaly, feel free. I'd hate to pop the fantasy bubble.

P.S. By the way, Jo, your Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception review on the front page actually links to your Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 review. ...I could say something about Activison's involvement, but I'm sure it's not true. ;)

Tags: playboy model, jo garcia, girl next door, jo garcia gamer

11/23/2011 9:01:40 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (102 posts)

BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 9:47:50 PM
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Hey Ben,
I was just going through my twitter account when Jo popped into it with this reply.....

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme I seriously do play. All the time. I am not an event girl unless its e3 pax comicon or ces. I rather be at home playing. Truth
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

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Victor321
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:15:46 PM

Wow, now that's ease of communication for ya.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:22:41 PM

Toss me a link. Might tell her I'm only buying part of what she's saying.

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:49:57 PM

... And then, three weeks later...
"Ben Dutka changed status from 'single' to 'in a relationship'"

Tsssk, "toss me a link", you playa. ;)


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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 9:56:13 PM
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Hmmm,
Since Jo has replied back, maybe this could be the perfect opportunity to contact her for a PSXE interview and find out what she's all about, gaming wise.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:24:54 PM
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Sorry to be off topic, but how do you deactivate your psn account from a pc or online? Sony said you would be able to as of Nov 18. Anyone know?


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cLoudou
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:44:56 PM

Go to the Qriocity website. Enter your PSN account. You have to deactivate all the PS3 and not just the ones you want but reactivating is a piece of cake.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:47:04 PM

Killa Tequilla, Here ya go....

PSN DRM change in effect now, and remote deactivation now detailed

As of November 18th, Sony's revised DRM for the PlayStation Network has gone into effect. All new game purchases made on the PlayStation Store will be limited to two devices.

But, how can you ensure that only the systems you have access to can use your account?

As promised, the ability to remotely deactivate your gaming devices has gone live. The process is easily completed via the web, but comes with a few caveats. For example, you'll only be able to perform the wipe once every six months.

To see how many PlayStation devices are activated on your system, you'll want to log into the Sony Entertainment Network.

You'll be able to deactivate individual PSPs by connecting the system and following the instructions.

However, if you don't have access to a certain system, whether it be stolen, misplaced, or sent for repairs, you'll be able to do a remote deactivation of all your PlayStation systems. This will deactivate every system you have, and can only be done once every six months. You'll then be able to activate devices by accessing the PlayStation Store from the device, or using "Account Management" from the XMB.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/71160/psn-drm-change-in-effect-now-remote-deactivation-detailed

(via PSN Stores)

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Pandacastro
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:29:06 PM

So I could only deactivate 1 ps3 every 6 months? I went and it said I could only deactivate it on the ps3?

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Pandacastro
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:40:28 PM

How to I wipe out all the ps3s? Cant find it.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:07:53 AM

Bikersaint, you are the man. I greatly appreciate it. Thanks. I went to the website but was doong the wrong thing. I should of have dug deeper. Now I know how to thanks to you, or else god knows for how many years I would of been puzzled by this lightly hidden feature.

cLoudou I see your help as well! Much appreciated

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Neo_Aeon666
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:33:48 AM

OMG this sucks. And what do you do if you have 3 PS3s? ... Way to kill my online games buying habit.

Got a PS3 in my room, one in the living room and the other one at my parent's house lol... 5 devices was ok. I thinnk they should review their policy. Steam does not limit my access to my games so long as I log in to my account. It's just them playing with fire. Hope they burn.

And yeah I could just re-activate, de-activate but it is a pain. 5 was already limited. It should be unlimited as long as you are logged in to your account.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:27:16 AM

@Neo_Aeon666

I think the reason why they are doing this is so people don't abuse the 5 slots and game share with people. (If Memory Serves)

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:26:48 PM
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It doesn't bother me of how much of a gamer she is, she does what she does in life to enjoy. She probably just gets hired for this stuff for the extra money and probably doesn't spend alot of time gaming like a hardcore gamer would.

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cLoudou
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:40:20 PM
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Nobody bad mouths NKOTB. Nobody!

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:48:24 PM

OK, I'll bite

NKOTB???????

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rogers71
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:28:41 AM

Really Biker? How old did you say you were? NKOTB is New Kids On The Block. Come on man. If you lived through the 80's, you should know this and I am sure some that didn't have the luxury of experiencing the 80's would know this.

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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:41:38 AM

Anyone who escaped the early 90's without knowing who NKOTB is, can officially be my hero. They are a wise person.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:00:18 PM

rogers71,

Turned 59 of the 5th of this month.

I just didn't put 2 & 2 together on all those initials, & probably because I never cared for any one of those producer-made fake boy bands.
"Barf!"

Anyway, I'm into real music & not that canned money-making stuff that was just "molded" to become cash-cows by sucking all the cash out of real young, and easily swayed-by-looks, female teenyboppers.

But that's just my own opinion....

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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:13:27 PM

Biker, you and I are about 30 years apart... but I have a funny feeling we're into very similar styles of music. lol

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:05:28 PM

Underdog,
I'm into some light jazz, some older disco, almost all blues, rock, hard rock, and also love me some techno music. And your country's own AC-DC is one of my all-time favorites too!

If you want to experiment, try finding some sampling of these albums from a few of my electronic/techno favorites, or even some electronic producers of rather wispy lilting music too.......

If you have surround sound or the Sony surround Stereo headset, I highly recommend using them, relaxing way back into the the couch or chair & then closing your eyes, just to heighten & maximize your experience....

Depeche Mode(best albums are Violator, Ultra, & Exciter)

Jon Michele Jarre (Oxygene, Oxygene 7-13, The Essential 1976-1886)

Andreas Vollenweider (White Winds, Eolian minstrel).

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Fane1024
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 2:22:47 AM

Underdog's Canadian, not Australian.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:32:25 AM

It's true!

But we do have The Guess Who!

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BikerSaint
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 1:41:31 PM

OOPS, I sometimes mix up who's from where, so my bad.

Anyways, I love the Guess Who too....Theses Eyes, American Woman, etc, etc.,

Along with some of David Clayton Thomas's own solo work after leaving Blood, Sweat, & Tears, which was another band that I liked.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:40:53 PM
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Ben,
All I have is Jo's Twitter link, but you should be able to make contact with her & go from there....

http://twitter.com/#!/Gamernextdoor


Hope that helps

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:02:13 PM

Replied on Twitter.

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Spineshank
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:47:26 PM
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I like to keep my women and my gaming seperate. For me, gaming is a retreat from the latter..

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 10:56:43 PM
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Ben,

Ok, I've got a contact link for Jo.....

http://www.jogarcia.net/#!contact

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La_Bete12
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:07:13 PM
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Don't judge me when I say this, but I hate it that people say that the Biebster can't sing. He's got a good amount of talent, but damn I wish his voice would drop already, mine dropped a good while ago. Damn tenors....

anyways...I doubt this chick. I'm also the kind of person that questions everything and thinks deeply about them, and there's just something about her....idk what though.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 @ 11:18:28 PM
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I've always been ok with girls and gaming going together like oil and water. My favorite salad dressings are vinaigrettes.

If you like it, you make it work.

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nogoat23
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:28:42 AM
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I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I don't have a big enough budget to play every game, but if given the opportunity, I would love to pop in Skyrim and play for 12 hours. However, I haven't had a chance to play any games at all for the past month since changing jobs and moving to a different country. Am I no longer a hardcore gamer because I don't do it anymore, or am I still a hardcore gamer because the desire is still there?

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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 2:23:06 AM

You might try view it as a good thing your delaying getting Skyrim becuase by time you get it Bethesda may have patched out the game crippling lag in the PS3 version once your save file gets too big. I read something interesting today in the Bethesda forums. Apparently Bethesda refused to send out review copies for the PS3 version. That explains why Ben was sent to 360 version for review instead. I was afraid of something like that. Hmm...I wonder why they refused to send out the PS3 version for review. Somehow it infuriates me that even 5 yrs after the PS3's release we still have to put up with this crap on multiplats.

As for this topic. I am very skeptical that she is really a hardcore gamer. She already loses some points for having her front page U3 review link to MW3 instead. Yeah it would be great if Ben could interview her and put her knowledge of videogames to the test. A hardcore gamer should have some pretty good knowledge about videogames, right? It's going to take way more than her commenting on twitter that she really rather be home playing games to convince me. The more I think about it who really cares if she is or is not. I'd rather Ben interview key figures in the gaming industry. Ben, just for kicks have you ever tried to submit an interview request for Mr. Kojima? It never hurts to ask right?

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:32:39 AM

Excel-

Do you have Skyrim? I'm playing Skyrim now and I'm not experiencing lag. My file size isn't getting to big, it stays about the same. Everytime I save over a file it might go up 200kb, but other times it's gone down. Theres also another way to get past this and it's to just create multiple save files. Have 3 or 4 main saves to keep the size down.

Nogoat-

I'd suggest if you want Skyrim get it. If the lag is really even an issue, which I habnt experienced yet, I would imagine by the time your save file gets that big to cause that, you'll be well into the game. I'm about 8-9 hours in and it's absolutely fine. Obviously I have a lot of game left and anything could happen I suppose. But I highly doubt it's game breaking. And again I don't see it happening (if it does) until your well into the game. By then maybe there would be a patch.

Also just because you work more and don't play as much doesn't make you any less of a gamer.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:58:48 AM

Oblivion's lag wasn't bad, most of the times it ran smooth, if you went near a certain area on the map you would get a jolt of lag and then it would be done and you wouldn't get lag anymore.

But I'm going to get Skyrim for Christmas I doubt it's really that bad as people say.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:26:50 PM

Yes, I have Skyrim. It's was just fine 8-9 hrs in for me too. I have completed the main quest and I did get some lag once my save file got around 6 mb/46 hrs of gameplay. It was not so bad that it made me want to quit playing during the main quest. In fact I think I got through the main quest before I ran into it. I'm pretty sure World said he ran into it as wel but he did not mention at what point. For me it seemed especially bad around towns at about the 40 hr mark. This is a long play issue though. Your save file has to get pretty big. The longer you play and the more you save the worse it gets becuase the main game save file inceases 100 or 200 mb each time you save. It's not really a frame rate issue. It's more like the games jumps around or freezes at times then catches up with itself a minute or two later. You know how Fallout 3 would lock up and then take off on you again? It's kind of like that. When it gets that bad you can just try to save and reset your PS3 and the lag will go away for about an hr. Bethesda is aware of this issue now and the incoming patch will address "longplay" issues in the PS3 version.

It's a great game. It's more like an experience. Clam you are getting a great Christmas present and by that time this problem will be sorted out. I'm just a litle irked at Betethesda becuase them refusing to send out PS3 review copies makes it look they may have known about this issue.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:37:07 PM

@Excelsior

Oh, I know. :) That's why I can't wait to get it! :D I also wish they would play test both versions of the game so stuff like this doesn't get past them and be on release.

Oblivion didn't get any attention at all with firmware updates that I know of, I basically didn't see ANY firmware updates for it at all. I just hope they continue to support it better than what Oblivion had. They only patched a few things in the Game of The Year Edition (I think it was that one?) And that was it, nothing else besides that.

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wenezz
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:44:23 AM
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tissue anyone?

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Jed
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:29:59 AM

No thanks, this is nothing to cry--- Oh wait a minute, I'll take three.

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:43:30 PM

*Three*? Dude, that's bragging.

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:36:33 AM
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omfg - do Playboy record these shows in their basement using a camcorder or something? The sound of that mic is just *horrible*. At least put up some sound isolation!
Playboy has apparently dropped severely in quality since I last had anything "to do with them". (to put it that way).

Speaking of babes, for my gaming news on video I much prefer Naomi Kyle at IGN.

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:53:20 AM

Not sure if Playboy records with a camcorder in the basement, but there is another game site that I know for sure does. :P

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:16:58 AM

Hehe - Oh yeah, that site. ;)
But they are kinda excused, they are not a multinational giant like Playboy.

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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:52:21 AM

Deadman no need for that. We're supposed to count ourselves lucky. They worked on a budget because they couldn't afford the cameraman to bring in his own crew :p

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Excelsior1
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:14:52 AM

@Deadman and frostface

That completly went over my head. What other site are you guys referring to?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:01:51 PM

they mean this site

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:02:06 PM

@Excelsior1

You mean other the site other Playboy?
The link to the their Youtube is at the top of this page.

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ZenChichiri
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:02:26 AM
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I wish I could pose naked and play games for a living.

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:21:52 PM

And I'm glad you can't

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Clamedeus
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:38:09 PM

LOL

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FatherSun
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:50:04 AM
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She is PlayBoys attempt to access the growing Gamer Demographic. Watched one of her reviews and it seems dry and rehearsed. Sound was terrible too. Not what I would expect from PB. If she really is a true gamer she will respond to Ben. Maybe even let him interview her. If Playboy allows her to.

I have been lucky all my life. I have had many relationships with women who game. I married one of them too!

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:27:03 PM

Yeah the sound was horrible - kinda illustrates the focus Playboy have with these clips.
I mean, sharp image, good lighting, well edited... But her voice? "Bah who cares - let's just use that webcam mic over there".


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Karosso
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:59:36 AM
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LOL they call that a review? more like advertising. There are no opinions about the game or a score, not even her own impressions about it, just some comments about what they added to the game and such...
Like Big Ben said, she might game but, I doubt that its her primary hobby or even secondary.

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:04:31 PM
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Hmmmm. This is an odd article. Especially from someone who prides himself on breaking every single stereotype placed on gamers.

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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:01:27 PM

It's a strange one for sure and I dare say not very professional.

So what, she plays games for Playboy. She's doing her thing and since she's been doing it for a while, I wouldn't be so quick to start judging. Even if it's only casual although I've seen her regularly turning out reviews, giving out codes for games and just chatting about the latest game news.
Her credentials are no better or worse then IGN's Naomi Kyle or Jessica Chobot. Should they be called out too or is it just because she works for Playboy?

I'm curious where the idea for this topic came from? It seems in bad taste.

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:22:41 PM

You guys think too much.
I see this as an excuse to point us all to the direction of a babe that talk about games.
"Babe alert - all geeks to the battlestations!" :)


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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 1:50:31 PM

She also knows how to make wearing smaller t-shirts look good, some people haven't figured it out yet!

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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 2:27:21 PM

Her t-shirt has a built in waist line.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:17:38 PM

Good to see that Deadman and frostface didn't even bother to read the article. I also notice they only pop in from the forums to act all high-and-mighty and tell us what's "professional" and what's not. ...and then they laugh when they're accused of being elitist in the forums. 'rolls eyes'

It's a perfectly legitimate and respectfully written article concerning the roles personalities rather than journalists play in our industry. Most can easily see that. Not everything is a drama, forum drama-lovers.

I'm also not a fan of Deadman making a rash personal assumption about "priding myself on breaking all gamer stereotypes." ...amazing how many people "know" me without actually knowing anything.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:24:10 PM

The forums create monsters, that's why I left.

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Beamboom
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:53:53 PM

I see monsters everywhere, World. You should return - that would lower the monster average over there. :)

(but seriously, there are some interesting threads now and then)


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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:59:22 PM

Actually did read the article and in what way is it

a. Professional to call one particular reviewer out at random
b. How is it gaming news
c. Yes you did touch on a stereotype. If she didn't write for Playboy would you be doing this article?

You can coat it up with whatever justification you want but it's sensational journalism and rather egotistical and elitist of you writing an article like this. If you're gonna judge other reviewers expect to be judged yourself. I've seen gaming news from her on Twitter well before it appears here. So she qualifies mate.

This article is trash!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:04:23 PM

I've got enough to handle at Velocity Gamer, I have to make special time just to keep posting here.

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:12:32 PM

And what "rash personal assumption" would I be basing myself on? http://www.psxextreme.com/feature/696.html

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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:35:23 AM

@Deadman
It kind of feels like you're frantically trying to put someone down for fun. That link just sort of proves to me you're just narrowly missing the whole point here.

I, for one, didn't find the playboy stuff offensive or abrasive. And that twitter stuff looked like friendly banter....

And if it wasn't friendly... isn't that the kind of thing you pride yourself on??? If that was the case, shouldn't you be congratulating Ben for becoming more like you?

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Alienange
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 12:52:59 PM
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Those PB photoshoots don't last forever. I can see her having as much spare time to game as anyone else who's got a full time job. If she says she's a hard core gamer, then I believe her. Does she honestly have to qualify herself by giving us that information? Let's face it, we'd watch a cute girl reading a script whether she was a hard core gamer or not.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 3:19:25 PM
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The hottest looking girl I know (hotter than that model) is a hardcore PC gaming fan and also a model so it's not outside the realm of possibility that this one plays regularly. Though she'd be turning down lots of dates.

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tes37
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 4:58:41 PM
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That Tron t-shirt should be a little faded by now.

She's definitely holding the wrong controller if she expects to be taken seriously. Anybody with enough money and love for games couldn't possibly pass on the PS3.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:16:50 PM
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My only real gripe is that she always seems to be referring to the 360.

I just hope that M$ isn't paying to influence her, but then again she has said it so much in just the one video I watched, that I've just got to go "HMMMM" & wonder more than a little bit.

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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:38:15 PM
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So you haven't seen the PS3 controller pic she has? If this site will let me change out my profile pic you'll see. I also follow her on Twitter too. I don't see her as being just one sided.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:15:58 PM

Frostface,

Take from it what you will, but I never said, or implied that she was one-sided. I only watched 1 of her video reviews in which she stated the 360 at least 3 times & nothing on or for the PS3.


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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:52:42 PM
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I think for this article to have any credibility, you should of included this time line and maybe, just maybe conducted this dialogue before posting assumptions. By the end of the going back and forward although she tries to make light of it all with a 'LOL', it's obvious she wasn't happy with you just labelling her as a casual gamer who because of her Playboy affiliations just goes to Playboy bunny partys and events.

Conduct a proper one to one interview with her and post that up on the main page. Then go and interview some other girl game reviewers like Chobot or Kyle over on IGN since you would of wrote this article regardless as to whether or not Jo Garcia worked at Playboy.

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
How Much Of A "Gamer" Is Playboy Model Jo Garcia? - PS3 News

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme I seriously do play. All the time. I am not an event girl unless its e3 pax comicon or ces. I rather be at home playing. Truth

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We don't doubt the truth. Just have to say...the gamer label has worked out for you. This ain't 1986. ;)

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme Never said you didn't. I just don't like being tagged as a casual gamer. I am far from it. I was a gamer long before playboy.

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor And by the way, we're familiar with hot girls gaming-

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme The Label blended together with the pb model status is a little unique I will admit. But I spend more time playing then I do out

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@PSXExtreme Just didn't like the part about not being consider HC because I probable spend all my time at events. Far from the truth. LOL

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it. ;)

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor Definitions of hardcore vary...I'm not even hardcore by some standards. What's your definition?

(And why not post up the pic of her covering her breasts with a PS3 controller since this is a Playstation site?)

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 5:59:39 PM

I just threw up in my mouth a little

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Underdog15
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:19:04 PM

You have an ulcer? Why would you throw up in your mouth a little? That's like something my little cousins do when talking about girls and cooties. You know... "EWWW GROOSSSSS!!! BLAAAAHHHHHH!!!" (while pointing down their throats.)


(They are 5 and 7)

By the way, from my point of view fellas... when talking about credibility.... I find it particularly amusing that you get extra on edge -after- Ben makes a comment about the elitist mentalities at the forums. He obviously struck a nerve. I would have expected more from you guys.

And by the way... I know I'm on the forums alot now, too... but there is definitely.... 100%... for sure... an elitist mentality shared by most everyone there. It's always amusing to me when we try to defend the forums....

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Deadman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 6:30:03 PM

Actually I'm drunk, so puking comes standard. But a comment like:

PSXExtreme PSX Extreme
@Gamernextdoor We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it. ;)

Doesn't help either.

Since you know the forums, you are familiar with my offensive nature. Something I will never shy away from.

It's funny how Limited Vertigo gets defended for having a caustic sense of humor, but us in the forums are not.

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frostface
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 7:04:18 PM

Underdog I'm sorry you feel the forums are Elitist.

If you look at the timeline you'll see clearly that she wasn't too impressed with Ben's opinions of her.
Also she stopped replying after Ben made his 'We need a video of all the bunnies playing Uncharted at once.....we'd aaall pay to see it.' comment.

If arguing that this article is trash and having an independent opinion makes me elitist, I'm not too bothered by that. I don't consider myself elite anything. The only person I've called to question here was Ben because this article in my opinion is in bad taste and was not researched first.

Maybe it was just a slow news day, but I don't see how this article benefits the site, or the view of gamers as a whole especially when it's this sort of mentality that stops gaming being taken seriously as a form of entertainment that adults partake in.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 8:42:07 PM

Underdog: Of course there's an elitist mentality there. It's why frostface posted a chain of Twitter comments that he believes actually proves something. It's why people have trouble going into the forums and I get constant complaints.

We're all doing this in good fun. Everyone recognizes it but of course, they don't. It's a crap drama to them. But they're always right and everyone else is always wrong, so it doesn't really matter what we say.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 4:52:44 AM

The forums need an active, experienced moderator. That's what it suffers from.
I don't know if I'd call it "elitist" (although it's probably that too), I think the main issue is a tad too "macho" attitude, the one with the loudest mouths, the alpha males, gets to set the standards for the dialogues. And this is *so* symptomatic for poorly moderated forums.

Really, a good majority of the regular posters there are pretty darn nice people. Intelligent, reflected, with interesting opinions and a good range of topics.
For instance, I like Frostface's posts. He's a good guy in my book. I don't necessarily always agree, but at least he stays on topic.

But the few shouting wolves there tend to grab the spotlight and sidetrack almost any topic and that can be tiresome.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:05:08 AM

Woh woh, Frostface, I don't want you to think that I think -YOU- are elitist or that you think you're better than everyone else. I was merely commenting on the overall culture of the forums. It's not any particular person or a group that are elitist. I meant to say that the culture of discussion seems to now have an elitist mentality in the methods of discussion.

I've learned that if I assume you don't want to insult anyone, that you are all mostly pretty decent guys. But to those un-used to it, the mentality of the discussions is elitist in nature. Think of it not as being elitists... but as exercising an elitist's style. lol

@Deadman
You should shy away from it, though. It's not something to be proud of. I just assumed most people at the forums aren't actually trying to be offensive. But if you are, then that's just an abrasive personality and not very constructive. When people figure out someone is abrasive by nature, they just start to ignore them. I see it all the time.

As for LV, I hate to tell you, but your "humor" isn't quite the same as his. And if he offends someone (which isn't often, as most of his comments are self-depreciating and not at others), people often let him know. Just like anyone else.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 7:34:26 AM

Underdog15, I gotta say I really like you more and more for each passing week. Is this love?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 8:40:04 PM
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And that's exactly what you're not getting. This is all in good fun. It was not insulting in any way. All comments are in good fun until - wonder of wonders - you come in and trash the site. Notice how everyone was having fun with it and then YOU TWO come along and it turns to sh**?

Then you and Deadman take another little jab at us and our YouTube Channel for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Comments like "we're supposed to count ourselves lucky" is childish and insanely rude.

I'm sick of both of you. Do not come into the comments again to trash the site. Having an opinion is one thing, absolutely flat-out being a jackass is another.

The article is not insulting Jo Garcia. It is not bashing the reviewing she does. It isn't even questioning that she plays games. It refers to a very common topic in all of entertainment, it's perfectly legitimate and justified, and absolutely NOBODY seems to have a problem but - surprise, surprise - the two forumites who ONLY post in comments to trash everything about the site.

The hypocrisy boggles the mind. Completely unprompted, these two come in here, first take the time to bash the YouTube stuff we do (operating with two people and a very small budget), bash an article they don't even GET (NOBODY viewed this as calling ANYONE out), and then act like they're just better than everyone. Like someone is attacking their opinion.

Unbelievable. Don't either of you post in this thread again.

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tes37
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 9:44:23 PM

Her name sounds Spanish. Is her first named pronounced with an 'H', like jalapeno?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 12:27:27 AM

That's...funny.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 5:07:39 AM

tes37,
I'll admit it; I had to think, but then I laughed.
Wonderfully inappropriate :)

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CH1N00K
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:06:50 PM
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Umm...Wow??? I'm so late to this party that I don't even know if anyone will even see this post. And I'm not even sure what to say really. And now I have to think carefully as to what I'm typing, just in case I come across as an elitist snob and lose all credibility. (Don't know if I had any before..but whatever. For the record I haven't posted in the forums in a while either, so I'm probably not really in with that crowd either..lol)

When I first glanced at the article my initial reaction was pretty sterotypical. A girl gamer? yeah they exist, somewhere..a Hot girl gamer who poses for playboy? Yeah right!? But then I realized that I was aging myself. Because when I was a kid, yeah, girls and gaming did not belong in same sentence. The few girls that I knew of that actually "gamed" had the personality of a rock and were definitely not playboy material. But who didn't wish for a girl that loved to play games, or at least understood why we wanted to?

And now that mainstream media is trying to tell us that those girls exist, we don't believe it. And for good reason, because now that gaming has gone mainstream, everyone likes to think they are hardcore. And with everyone having their own definition of what hardcore is, it's easy to make the claim. For instance,

"I'm so hardcore that I don't even play online much, because that's how we did it in the old days..online gaming is for twitch players. That's right, I'm kicking it old school!" See how easy that was?

It is quite possible that there are lots of hot gamer girls out there now who are "hard core" Especially since a lot of them are young enough to have had a PS1 as their first system which had an amazing library of games. But at the same time, yes, there is a good possibility that this is just another marketing ploy. The only way to know for sure will be to see how long she stays online as a "gamer".

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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:56:53 AM

Is online gaming for twitch players? What about MMO's?

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:33:31 PM
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I still say that Jo should be interviewed.

Either way though, whether she's a hard-core gamer or not, at least she IS a gamer & I DO think we need more female gamers, so the more the merrier.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 10:33:50 PM
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As for this little internal battle between Deadman, Frostface and Ben. I can understand a bit where both sides seem to be coming from.

Frost and Deadman, Taking a shot at the videos on this site was a bit in bad taste. No matter how you look at it, There are now video reviews where we never used to have them. There is now a place and time in Home where the PSX community can gather at once and chat one on one instead of replying to threads. Sure it may need a little polishing, but Ben and the crew are putting some work into this and I'm sure learning quite a bit about video media as they go. But hey at least they are trying to grow the community. You may not agree with what they are doing, but you shouldn't shoot them down for trying.

and Ben, You honestly don't see what they are complaining about? You say you didn't take any shots at Jo, but read the title to your article as if you were Jo herself.

"How much of a "Gamer" is Playboy model Jo Garcia?" You still don't see anything wrong with that? You're title obviously did it's job though, it struck a nerve with her. So much so that she had to tweet about it and PSXextreme, which probably led to more views for this site as well as her own. Which made me wonder if perhaps you weren't selling an 'entertainment media package' of your own.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with either side of the fence here, but I feel as though both sides needs to sit back and think for a second before going for the jugular. Because fighting between ourselves, isn't going to do the website, the forums or the community any good.

Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm sure some of you will thumbs down me, some might thumbs up me, most probably won't care, but there's my 2 cents, do with it what you will....

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 12:24:27 AM

This is cut and dry, black and white. Nobody offended anyone. It was a question and nobody was "going after" anyone in the article. Everybody seemed to know that besides people from the forum who don't know when to shut the fu** up.

I'm leaving it at that.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 5:12:49 AM

I can see both sides of the argument too, CH1N00K. I usually can in these kind of discussions.

I think of it as part of the atmosphere of this site. On most sites the writer is not that defensive, or even care about what people comment about their work. Ben do care, and do defend it (I would too!), and well, I'm just glad I'm not part of it every time a new discussion arise. :)


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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:53:24 AM

@Chinook
I don't really consider "is such and such a gamer?" to be an insult. If someone said to me, "You're not a REAL gamer!!" ... I don't think I'd care. It's not exactly one of my titles I pride myself on... like.... "father" or "husband". lol Know what I mean?

@Ben
I think this is one of the hazards of being involved with the community as the editor-in-chief. Obviously, it's awesome that you interact with your community. You respond to comments, tell people you appreciate them, and you take part in the discussion.

That's not something other sites do, and it's a big deal for me to come here. Obviously, one of your frustrations, is when people act like they "know" you, when they don't. But while that can sometimes cause headaches, it's actually a good thing that people feel that way. Obviously, I don't know you like I would a friend, but as a regular reader, I do feel like I "get" you... if that makes sense. And lots of others feel that way too. So obviously, being a part of the community is something you should (and will) continue to do.

But, you will also get regular nay-sayers who disagree with you. And they'll keep coming for the debate because you -are- so good at being involved. I personally feel that you take the negativity of people, so long as they aren't breaking rules, more as professional feedback. If you hear the same thing from a number of people, then it's something, as a professional, to consider. But in this situation, where you only have a couple out of many who view this negatively, just take it with a grain of salt, dude. And put it in the memory bank in case the same theme crops up again but with greater support.


Just don't go forcing yourself on stress leave, is all. If someone gets -really- out of line and off-base... the community usually crucifies them. lol. I just get the impression that someone like Deadman will jump at every opportunity to tear you down... for fun... and he's proud of it... lol... people like that lose -ALL- their power if it doesn't bother you. And at the end of the day, they are the ones that end up alone. So... no worries, ok?

@Beamboom
I actually am really glad Ben cares enough to get defensive about his work. When a writer loses their pride, they print out all sorts of trash. But when most regulars don't give someone the time of day, I think Ben should save his stress for someone more important.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 10:16:25 AM

Underdog: This really doesn't have anything to do with me at all. It's insulting the site, and insulting the article in question, without even having the wherewithal to understand that it was not designed to be offensive, nor was it designed to be too serious.

I don't care what anyone says about me. I care when they verbally attack the site.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 11:41:36 AM

Fair enough! I can respect that. I got equally defensive about the place I work at when the media inaccurately published un-true negative press about us. When you invest a lot of time into quality programming, it's very frustrating to have someone try to tear that investment down. I totally get that.

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Goten
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 1:57:21 PM
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The fact you feel the need to bring up gender every other week shows how sexist you lot actually are. I grew up playing Sonic with my mum and auntie, and Toe Jam and Earl with my nan. Women have always played games.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 2:26:48 PM

Way to make sweeping generalizations.

Yeah, every week. 'rolling eyes'

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Goten
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 2:40:00 PM

On the front page (which goes back 4 days), there is 2 articles about sexuality.


Note I said every other week and not every week also. The fact you even feel the need to bring it up suggests there is a backwards sexism, women don't need us to defend them, especially when they don't need defending.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 9:10:51 PM

This has nothing to do with sexism, and neither did those articles.

When I was a kid, no girls played video games. Basically zero. Go to any arcade in the country and try to find one.

They play now. It's kinda worth noting. Christ, and I thought everyone in the US was obsessed with PC.

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Underdog15
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 12:42:31 AM

@Goten
I grew up gaming, and it was vastly seen as un-feminine to play games until the last decade or so. Most women gamers (which did exist) would never admit to it.

Now, gaming is more mainstream and socially acceptable. Pointing out these.... -FACTS-.... is not a sexist motivation.

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Goten
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 12:42:11 PM
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I was basically drunk and on the troll last night, but to say no women played games is utter bollocks.

Maybe its just an American thing, but all of my female mates played games growing up ten or so years a go. They might not have been "gamers", but I didn't even realise it was an issue until a few years a go when it started getting a fair bit of coverage on here.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 2:49:57 PM

Call it whatever you want. In the '80s, video games was a boy's hobby.

It's a fact, regardless of your own experiences.

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Goten
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 1:46:36 AM

It's not a fact it's an opinion.

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Elfen-Lied
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 5:29:29 PM
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Justin Beiber was discovered on youtube. For singing live. I don't understand where this whole idea came from that he can't sing. He is actually a very good singer. It's understandable if you don't like his music, actually, VERY understandable. But give the guy some credit - he is talented.

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fatelementality
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 10:42:43 PM
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Hey guys, just got here. So what'd I miss? *reading*.......*reading*.......*reading*...................*reading*.......................................*reading*.............holy crap.

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