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Jo Garcia Interview: I'm A Gamer...Just Try To Prove I'm Not

If you'd like to accuse definite gamer and Playboy model Jo Garcia of not being a true-blue gamer, feel free. We kinda did it. And you know what? The more you accuse her, the more she's gonna prove you wrong.

I just got off the phone with Jo. We spoke for about 75 minutes...it took all of 2 to know she has a gamer's blood. Much like me (and maybe you), she sits in one spot in an RPG until she can take down the enemies with one or two strikes. She keeps a gaming journal so she can remember exactly where she has been, and what she has already done. Her love and intricate knowledge of Final Fantasy was more than enough to convince me, but it didn't end there.

"My mom didn't want me to have a Nintendo, so I'd sit and watch my dad play. I've always wanted to be like my dad; he liked cars and playing games, and he was just cool. But I wanted to play, too. I had gone online to find out how to get past all the levels and everything, so the next time we played, I asked him to let me go first, because I said 'dad, I'll die quick.' But I didn't; I went through the entire game without dying."

That may be the first example, but it certainly wasn't the last. From a skeptical G4 to journalists at press events, everyone loves to assume that this girl doesn't know what she's doing. They think Playboy sent over their token representative, and the real gamers will scoff and think they have to coach her; i.e., where the buttons are, when to press them, etc. ...and then she clears the area faster than any other gaming journalist on hand to sample the demo, and everyone sits there, confused, shocked, and (admit it, guys) impressed.

"I love RPGs; I'm an RPG girl, and I have to do everything. I have to do every side quest, I have to find everything, and I won't stop until I do. I love all the Final Fantasies, I love all sorts of games like Battlefield and Borderlands. I really liked Parasite Eve and Oddworld; two of my favorite games, I really thought Oddworld was way ahead of its time."

Here's where I kicked in my two cents; explaining how I had to farm up the 300 pieces of junk in PE to get the AK-47, primarily because I knew she would know exactly what I'm talking about. Hell, I don't think half the PSXE community would know what I'm talking about. And that was a common theme throughout our talk: gaming is a big part of her life and in some cases, it is her life.

So by all means, call her out. I've advised her to always respond; don't let anyone get away with it. She didn't let us get away with it, and that was the right thing to do. Just be prepared; if you do have the unmitigated gall to call down the thunder, expect to hear her talk like a gamer. And at the end, expect to be a little red in the face.

This is the first headline we will create from our talk with Jo. The second will involve her thoughts on the future of gaming and the upcoming generation (and what she wants to see), as well as her belief in the importance of storytelling. In the meantime, visit Gamer Next Door and check things out. She's welcome to throw things our way in the future, and if anyone wants to say she isn't a gamer, they can come deal with me first.

Pretty girls don't game. Guys like me who love to read, write, and work out, don't play video games. ...yeah, well, we anomalies have to stick together. And she has had to go through a lot more stereotypical nonsense, too. Guess it's time to toss it all out the window.

Tags: jo garcia, girl next door, jo garcia playboy, jo garcia gamer

12/6/2011 11:36:20 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (135 posts)

Riku994
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:20:27 AM
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It's moments like these that make me incredibly proud and happy to be a member of this community...

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Suapsycho
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:32:21 AM
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If she wants to prove it to me, I'll gladly send her directions to my place. She could help me with my Dick's Balls... trophy! Yeah...

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:57:36 AM

Dude, that was not cool.

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ImTheMan
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:10:12 AM

@excelsior I'm sure he felt that he had to say that since he's probably been the only one playing with his Dick's Balls... trophy! Yeah...

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:44:54 AM

Can't figure out if you're Bevis or Butthead... Your motto seems to be... see a woman... become neanderthal.

Imagine.... what life would be like if you were more "see a woman... strike up an intelligent conversation"

Yeah... sorry... that was probably a stretch. At least your sock will always keep you warm at night.

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kevinater321
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:56:40 AM

His sock probably wouldn't keep him warm though....probably not even soft anymore...

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OPHIDIAN
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:10:30 AM

I really hope she doesn't read his comments.

So embarrassing.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:53:12 AM

@Underdog: Dude - Beavis and Butthead were cool. Yeah. huhhh huhh huh - they rock. Yeah. Huh... Awesome. Huhuhu!

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:59:56 AM

Classy, real classy. Yeah, you're a perfect example of what this community DOES NOT stand for. Thanks for that, really. I mean there are crass remarks and then there are crass remarks, and then there is your comment. Honestly, a retraction and apology are not really too much to expect.

@OPHIDIAN

Exactly, the kind of comment made by 'Suapsycho' is an embarrassment to the entire community. :(

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:09:10 AM

Wow get over people. He just said what everyone was thinking

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:16:24 AM

Not to defend Suapsycho, quite the opposite actually, but since this girl is an actual gamer she has probably had more than her fair share of idiotic comments and harassment along these lines.

It's a sad but true aspect of the gaming community that there are more than a handful of people like this. I think it actually speaks very highly of this particular community here though that his comment has received such negative responses and reprimanding.

You need ignorance in small doses to show the overall brilliance of this community.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:24:33 AM

@79transam
No... I think most of us are big boys now and understand the importance of treating another intelligent person like an intelligent person and not a piece of meat. So, yeah... no, I doubt most people here were thinking that. Mostly because, while most of us appreciate attractive looks, it would be meaningless without the personality and brain power to back it up.

No worries though, you two... that sort of thing comes with maturity. (not age)

@Coverton
Excellent post. Very insightful. An approach I had not thought about before! Much appreciated!

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:30:48 AM

@79transam

Get over what? This is a community, not just a transient bunch of random talking heads firing off one like 'first' comments or the usual misogyny under the guide of socially inept gamer talk. I don't see why we should get over anything at all in regards to this.

Oh, and no, he wasn't saying what everyone was thinking. I doubt any of the female readers or contributors were thinking what he wrote. I'm not female, but I can assure you I didn't think what he wrote, and I know that a number of my friends here didn't either. I realize that there are some socially inept and immature gamers in the world, as you and the OP prove. However, if no one tells you that you're being rude, crass or classless, how will you ever learn?

One day, perhaps, you will learn that respecting others means just that, respect. Comments like the one made by the OP here are not in any way respect.

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:32:54 AM

Underdog did you look at the pictures posted in the article? Really seems like the point of the article was to say "cool a hot chick who plays video games". Sorry but she markets herself as a piece of meat, that is how she makes her money. She could care less if you think of her for her personality and brain power. Actually I bet she hopes that you don't, because that is not how she makes a living.

Perhaps I'm mature enough to be able to understand that.

Highlander ever heard of humor? Clearly that is what Suap was going for. Also I don't need a lecture about this site as I have been a commentator for a while on articles and have been reading the site for over a year(not long but long enough). Commentators on this site tend to take themselves a bit too seriously from time to time.

As for socially inept I guess my wife, child on the way, house, and masters degree are proof that I am just a buffoon amongst the rest of you.

Seriously lighten up, you will live longer

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:45:46 AM

Guys, this kind of reaction towards "babes" goes way, waaaay beyond just "the gaming community". It's the reflex reaction from any teenage boy (probably well into the 20s too) when he sees a beautiful girl in nothing but her underwear.

I mean, sure, tell him it was an idiot comment (anyone that's put their teenage years behind them will agree with that - myself included) but boys will remain boys until the end of time. That's just how it is.

Why do we all care if she is a gamer or not? Because she is beautiful, that's why. She's got a sexy body for all to see with one single search on Google (yeah don't act surprised now). If we want to intellectualize that or not is probably just a question of age. But endorphins are runnin' no matter how good we are at disguising it. She is, after all, an "endorphin machine" (Prince, anyone? ;)).


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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:49:12 AM

@79transam
I've heard of humor. Humor is this thing that uses wit, intelligence and cleverness. See the thing is, his comment doesn't seem humorous to me at all. There is no wit to it, it's nothing more than a crass remark.

Beamboom, if no one tells these 'boys' that this kind of expression is inappropriate, disrespectful or simply boorish, such 'boys' are doomed to remain immature boys rather than maturing to manhood. However, the larger point for me is that comments made on this site reflect on me, you and everyone else here, whether we made them or not. So why should we tolerate this kind of crap? I don't want anyone reading that kind of comment and imagining that it is somehow representative of me, it's not.

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:53:03 AM

Beam pretty much nailed it +1 my friend

Highlander fair enough. I will agree that his comment was crass but the reaction to it was overboard IMO. People spend way to much time getting offended by things. I took the comment as an attempt to be funny and not reflection of his intelligence or standing in life.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:55:16 AM

Hey, If I was a girl and has a body like that, I'd do the exact same thing. Doesn't necessarly mean that she can't be a gamer.

And, in all honesty, Suapsycho DOES make him/herself look like a 'baffoon' as you put it, with comments like "She could help me with my Dick's Balls... trophy! Yeah...". I mean what, were you expecting him to get 26 thumbs up with comments like "yeah lol!!!1!". I don't think so...he was always gunna get backlash for that kinda comment.

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:10:24 AM

Liam not sure if you were responding directly at me or not. Yes I know he should have expected a negative reaction I'm not oblivious to that. I do however feel, as I have said above that the reaction to his comment was overboard.

I was also not saying that she can't be a gamer nor be considered as anything other then hot. However I think you are foolish if you think that she cares what people on this website think of her. I 100% believe she is a "gamer" and I 100% believe that she wants badly for you and everyone else to believe that because it adds to the fantasy that she is selling and at the end of the day that is her job.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:18:17 AM

If I know girls correctly then Jo's received much, *much* worse from other girls than she'll ever hear from any guy.

If I were a Chippendale in my spare time I'd not care one single bit if girls of all ages drooled all over me. Not a single bit. I'd laugh all the way to the bank.


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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:23:56 AM

Yeah... I'm pretty sure you're wrong about her not caring what people think of her personality.

You wanna be an idiot about this, go ahead.

And I'm positive I'll live much longer than you.

Much... much long.... and wealthier... and happier in a meaningful relationship with my hot, sexy, and brilliantly intelligent wife.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:50:11 AM

hahaa, I gotta share this and be done with the conversation.

I just talked to my friend Kerri who modeled her way through university (in foreign affairs and women's studies, funnily enough). I told her about this conversation, and she says you guys are pigs. She also said it's frustrating that people can't see beyond the first layer in front of them (referring to how you see a model =therefore= only cares about what you think about how they look.) She says guys like you are part of the reason society will never be able to look at models, gamers, or "those of us that are both" as anything other than what those labels dictate. "God forbid we be 3-dimensional human beings"

She then called you guys a name I can't really repeat here.


yeah.... I'm gonna just disagree with you, laugh, shake my head, and move on now. lol

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:10:44 PM

It was a rude comment, but Jo poses nude for Playboy. And markets herself to gamers (mostly men who can range in age from the highly horny 13 year olds, up to guys in their 50s). I'm sure she's gotten her fair share of inappropriate comments before. No need to belittle Suapsycho.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:28:14 PM

@79transam
So, her being attractive and a gamer is a "fantasy" she is selling?

.....

Am I seriously the only one that isn't blown away by her? I'm just glad someone is out on the forefront to do their part in battering down the stereotypes. I'm not buying into any sort of stereotype, nor do I contribute monetarily to playboy or any of her work.

I just think people shouldn't be defined by their occupation. Especially if all it does is draw out juvenile points of view on modeling.

But, if you know anything about the history of playboy, the most famous models use their looks to get noticed, but it's only a starting point. Because even 10 years from now, they need to rely on their brain power. So, the best strategy for any playmate is to be recognized for their work outside of modeling while using modeling to get noticed.

It's so in-your-face obvious, it's sickening that you would continue to think she doesn't care what people think about her OUTSIDE of modeling. Her caring what people think is the WHOLE REASON this entire thing was even started. Seriously, look at things 3-dimensionally like I've been saying this whole time. If people don't notice her for anything other than modeling now, then 10-15 years from now, she will not have an easy time remaining in media spotlight.

Most playmates use playboy to get an awesome degree at a prestigious and expensive university. It's naive to think they don't care what people think about them if it isn't related to their looks. It's almost laughable you would suggest as much.

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:33:04 PM

@ Underdog

Well, girls that look like her and play games are pretty few and far between. Fantasy? Maybe. Rarity? Yea, probably. I love the fact that she is completely destroying sterotypes and stigmas that are associated with gamers, but the entire reason Ben has been covering her is because it *is* a rarity that a model would be a gamer.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:34:57 PM

@Jimmy,

You're right, there is no need to belittle the OP, but then, that's because his own comments belittle him far more than any of us can.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:46:23 PM

Underdog, we are ALL labelled. Every single one of us. We are all one dimensional beings until one gets to know each other.

If I say "bouncer", what do you or your friend think of then? Or "lifeguard", "teacher", "programmer", "soldier", "stripper", "unemployed", "alcoholic", "smuggler", "priest", "muslim", "senior citizen", "cashier", "lawyer", "Scotsman", "politician"...

Don't try and give me the "we don't get any pictures in our heads until we get to know them, we believe everyone should be given the same chance to prove their <bla bla bla>"-speech. Of course you get one dimensional images, stereotypes in your heads. We all do!

This is nothing special just for good looking girls (nude or not). Lord knows a beautiful girl gains a *tremendous* much from her looks too (just like good looking men do - this is proven time and again: Beautiful people (girls AND boys) enjoys an easier life. People are more positive towards them, they get more mates to choose from, they are offered better jobs and better salaries).

So if your friend took off her clothes to get through the university years and then turn around calling the ones who enjoyed her nude body without worrying too much about her philosophical capacities "pigs" as soon as she's got a degree, well then that says a lot more about her than them. You go tell'er that. ;)



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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:46:36 PM

I can agree with that Jimmy.

I still think the entire topic deserves a more brain-encouraged response than the OP and more respect than transam gives it.

I don't think her image means she deserves to be barked and howled at. I have never been with a woman and treated her with anything other than loving respect. There's no situation that calls for that. The whole, "She dresses sexy; therefore she deserves to be seen as a piece of meat and nothing else" gets under my skin. (For the record, Jimmy, I'm not referring to you in any of this)

Maybe I just value women too much....

@Beamboom
Well for almost all of those, I do not, but that has nothing to do with me being "honorable" or some crap. I'm an employment counselor by profession and see all sorts of professionals in all careers (although, most are youth). But I know exactly what you mean.

HOWEVER, it's stupid to think that I'm supposed to just accept every knee-jerk reaction because that's the acceptable stereotype. That's the whole point of this article. How can we discuss the idiocy of gamer stereotyping, then follow it up by allowing for stereotypical responses to everything else? It's just a giant mass of contradiction and hypocrisy. It makes far more sense to me to, if you get a 1-dimensional image in your head, to make a conscious effort to see more than what is in front of you.

Simply put... I hate when people make half-ashed justifications like that.

As for my friend... I said she was a model. I never said she was nude..... Why would you assume she posed nude? Your whole paragraph is a mass of assumptions I refuse to address.

How incredibly asinine.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:52:46 PM

Underdog, I don't think you need to worry about valuing women too much, I'm not sure that can be described as an issue.

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:03:12 PM

Underdog I never said that she does not care what people think about her. I said she does not care what people on this website think of her because to her we are all potential clients/customers. Also not sure why you felt the need to resort to personal attacks towards me but I'm happy for you that you will live long, wealthy, and have a meaningful relationship with your wife.

"I can agree with that Jimmy.

I still think the entire topic deserves a more brain-encouraged response than the OP and more respect than transam gives it.

I don't think her image means she deserves to be barked and howled at. I have never been with a woman and treated her with anything other than loving respect. There's no situation that calls for that. The whole, "She dresses sexy; therefore she deserves to be seen as a piece of meat and nothing else" gets under my skin. (For the record, Jimmy, I'm not referring to you in any of this)

Maybe I just value women too much.... "

The point you are missing is that there is a HUGE difference between a girl that dresses sexy and sells sexy. Sure down the road she may be the next Julia Roberts but as of this momment she is an individual who has resorted to selling naked/semi naked images of herself as her business. Hey good for her just don't buy that she gives a flying anything about what we think on this website.

Also best friend of mine was a male model, is dating a female model and another friend of mine dated a stripper for 3 years so I understand that there is a disconnect between job image and actual personality of the person. However my friends as models or my friends ex do/did not care what their customers thought of them as long as they paid the bills

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:16:14 PM

Underdog, ok I am sorry I just took for granted she had been modelling like Jo here, since you brought it up. I mean, there is a *major* difference between modelling clothes on a catwalk and appear nude in a men's magazine. They are modelling for completely different purposes, and for utterly different audiences. That we surely must agree on.

But back to topic: If we lift this discussion to a wider perspective, to life and human relations in general, I personally believe all normal human beings are found somewhere in the middle, not to the far extremes on any topic (man it's hard to think in norwegian and write in english at times :D).
Meaning, I believe we all can both howl at a sexy girl as well as value and respect females. It is not disrespectful to think someone is sexy, or get turned on by someones physical attributes. I even feel pretty confident that most any person don't mind at all that others gets turned on by them.

It's perfectly possible to value a woman, and at the same time feel a pure physical attraction. There's no disrespect in that. It's pure chemistry. And this is where we ALL are. We are both caring, intelligent individuals and horny pigs. Not necessarily at the same time, but we are capable of being both. We are humans.

I even dare say that most people, regardless of age or sex, would not mind to be treated as "a piece of meat" now and then. I know I wouldn’t! :D

And if you choose to work as a stripper or a playboy model, well then you better be ready to get both barked at and howled at. Some would even call you a failure if you don't achieve that.

But does that mean the barkers and howlers don't respect her? Don't value her? Do you even think the stripper or soft porn model would prefer if they shut up and started discussing good backup routines and exception handing amongst themselves instead, while enjoying the needle work on their fine lingerie? Neeeh. howl! Bark! It's showtime!


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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:36:02 PM

Of course this site is a good publicity opportunity for her, but I still say, based on the way she responded to Ben and other posters like Frostface, that she does, indeed, care what her gaming peers think of her.

If it were me, I'd take pride in what I do. I have a feeling she takes pride in her accomplishments as well.

Or maybe I just have too much faith in people. That's possible too. But seeing as the only thing she'll get from most of us is our opinions, and not dollars, AND the fact that she actually has read the comments here... tells me... that yeah. I would give credit where credit is due, if I were you.

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shadowpal2
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:46:17 PM

Guys...it's called a 'FORUM', just take it there.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:16:26 PM

yah, with all the negatives, I can see why there will be a lot of reply comments.

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JRA696
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 5:35:36 PM

Save that b.s. for IGN's website...

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 5:41:35 PM

@Shadowpal
You're just as welcome as the rest of us to start it up over there. If you think it belongs over there, start it there and suggest it stay there.

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Kev2579
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 5:47:40 PM

That's the trophy from PAIN right? Ha, I doubt some of them got the joke.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 8:21:22 PM

This can stop now, right?

Just my two cents- I'm fairly certain she cares a great deal about what people think of her gaming status. It's a passion of hers and people who question that passion undoubtedly get on her nerves.

As for the inappropriate stuff, I figured there was no way to completely avoid it with this article (and the next). But I'm sure she knew it was unavoidable as well.

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PharaohJR
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:40:10 PM

lmfao at ya post & allot of opinions about the matter.

when i clicked this article & seen this female i said damn smh....... boss lady (Jo Garcia) look here.... you something serious. while reading i said to myself "all right... who will be the 1st person to say something sexual about this female". sure enough.... you did lol.

look as a man i cant deny.... i thought of something just like you but you gave it to the community raw with no season & cooking so most having a hard time digesting your comment.

I believe & just my opinion cant speak for this feline.... that she has to deal with comments like this daily & she over-stands its normal. if not she woulndt take a career in the field of exposing the parts us men think of.

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FoReVeR_0515
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 8:24:01 AM

Just for the people who don't realize it, "Harder Dick's Balls" is a trophy for the PS3 downloadable game 'Pain'. I'm not getting on the subject of whether or not he should have commented what he did, but I just thought that was a bit of information some may not have known.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 4:02:15 PM

I will take Suapsycho's joke/comment like I take Lisa Lampanelli's jokes about gays, jews, blacks, italians, asians, & mexicans and have a chuckle.

Eh. Men AND women will make their assumptions and voice their opinions of their sexual opposites based on outer appearance. The fact that new people are born everyday makes it certain that immaturity, stereotypes and superficiality will continue to live and flourish.

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kokoro
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:42:26 AM
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It's awesome to see people who refuse to let stereotypes define and limit who they are. Stereotypes suck because they can hinder people's personal growth imo.

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ImTheMan
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:08:34 AM
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Well Ben you WERE the one that called her out so I guess she toooooold you! LOL

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:29:58 AM
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Well... that's one way to put paid to all that nonsense. Reading this, and taking a quick look at her site, it's clear that she isn't plastic, and I really like that. Definitely looking forward to more.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:43:32 AM
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If Ben says Jo is a gamer then I have no reason to doubt her credibility. Since Ben invited her to respond then I might as well try to gain some insight about her gaming experiences.

Hmm, let's see if we can nail her down on some specifics. It's easy to say one loves all the Final Fantasy games. but which one was her favorite? Why was it her favorite? Who was her favorite character in the FF series?

Let's see what else I can come up with. Okay, here's a good one I think. Most serious gamers have played the MGS series. Some thought MGS4 wrapped up the series pretty nicely and that Snake's journey is over. Having said that, where would she like to see the series go next? Any thoughts on MGS Rising?

Sorry if that's too many questions. Maybe there is a question in there she will respond to.

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ImTheMan
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:48:41 AM

She's a credible gamer if she answers all your questions! ;)

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 5:51:00 AM

Yo, its already proven shes a gamer bro.

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:51:46 AM

I'm not going to lie as an avid FF fan, I think I would struggle to answer that. My opinion changes all the time. The best I can narrow it down to is from VII - X.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:57:33 AM

Those are excellent FF's, but knowledge of the earlier ones would be even more surprising for me.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:45:42 PM

Excelsior1,
Not positive but I would have to think that Ben probably did his Q&A with Jo already during that 75 minute phone call.

But it would be nice to know those answers too.

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ImTheMan
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 5:19:15 PM

@ Killa Its called a JOKE

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:50:18 AM
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I think it is fair to say anyone that has even played Parasite Eve can be considered a gamer, Especially in europe as we never got the 1st one.

I have never had any 'problems' with female gamers. My housemate, is always on Warcraft. Gaming in my eye has reached out to the majority this gen, it's now entering the same status as films, movies and books. So naturally more people will become interested female or not. Maybe now we'll start seeing more female leads in games with more than a heavy chest.

But it seems Jo has being playing games for years, Is that really such an abnormality? At my university we have a gaming society which has plenty of girls there. In any case, I have no issue with it and it respect anyone that can appreciate Final Fantasy (Unless it's Ivalice's titles alone...)

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:55:48 AM

What's wrong with the Ivalice titles?

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:14:41 AM

Underdog15 I have said many times why I dislike the Ivalice titles, I don't want to turn this wall into another FF arguement. but, to be brief, The setting felt to closer to a typical Fantasy game, it just didn't have the FF feel for me. From what I played of XII (The whole game) and the start of Tactics, Politics is more important than character development. What I love about FF most is the characters and their stories. XII let me down majorly on that factor (-Balthier). The MMO gameplay it brought also felt distant from FF. It might even be an okay game. But I don't class XII or any of the Ivalice titles as Final Fantasy. I actually nick name Lost Odyssey FFXII as I would have much prefered that on Sony consoles.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 8:58:17 AM

Fair enough. I agree about not turning this into a debate about FF. I would like to encourage you to finish FFT, though. It's definitely all about the characters. But admittedly, at first, politics does seem to be the primary. But the politics just give motivation to some characters. But it's hardly the story. It's actually the most well written story of the series, in my opinion.

I think you would agree if you get through it.

We agree about the story for FFXII, certainly.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:40:23 AM

The Final Fantasy girls chests have been shrinking with every iteration. Now we're down to... Serah :\

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:02:52 AM

Hmmm... sounds like some Tifa is required.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:39:53 AM

Some Tifa is always required

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:59:29 AM
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Ben,
We aren't anomalies. We're just not the stereotype that's been around for 20 years.

Most of my gaming friends aren't very "gamer-ish" either. Heck, some that aren't into games fit the stereotype better.

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 8:55:15 AM

I don't find that stereotype around very often at all anymore, actually. I do know a few people who fit the old gamer mold, but the vast majority of my gamer friends are health-conscious and highly social people. Heck, my closest friends and I go to the gym together four nights a week and end the evening by going to one of our homes and gaming!

Point is, we're not anomalies at all, we're just not what the media wants to paint us as being!

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:00:12 AM

Oh I totally agree! That actually what I meant to get at. The way non-gamers view us is not accurate at all. I just meant the stereotype non-gamers view the industry from.

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Jutter
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:19:14 AM

I haven't met many gamer's that really fit the stereotype. You know the shut in hermit that does nothing but put hours upon hours, day after day into games and has no personal hygiene. We all have other things that interest us, I've played hockey all my life and most of my teammates play games plenty, more-so than a casual gamer. I work-out and eat healthy but I don't consider myself an anomaly to the gaming community.

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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:22:56 AM

Could not agree more.

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frostface
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:19:59 AM
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Glad you did this interview and look forward to part 2. It shows some context to why in the comments to that editorial is sorta blew up. The intention was not to just stir up stuff. It's wrong for people to make assumptions without all the facts. Fair play to her for doing the interview and this puts a lot of the BS from last week to bed (as far as I'm concerned anyway). Thanks Ben. Peace!

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SolidFantasy
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:21:29 AM
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Nice. I just gained some respect for this person. I'm the only endurance athlete on my team that is a true gamer. There are a few cod idiots but their not really gamers. So I know what it's like to be somewhat of an "anomaly".

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 9:38:19 AM
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I'd have to ask her what she thinks of the shift in gameplay from all other Final Fantasies to what it was in Final Fantasy XIII. Also, her thoughts on how Tidus breaks the stereotype of a lead FF male character.

It's... unsettling that she might be "like us". It's better for me not to think I have anything in common with a Playboy girl. Trust me, it just is.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:06:39 AM

I thought Zidane and Tidus were pretty similar, actually. Zidane there was more room for interpretation due to the lack of voice acting. But I remember reading an OPM review when FFIX came out, and the writer made a great comment about how Zidane was a little refreshing as Squall and Cloud weren't exactly the types you would invite to a dinner party.

Now that I think of it, FF I-IV had very stoic leads, FFV was more carefree like Zidane or Tidus. FFVI didn't have a definitive lead male character. FFVII and FFVIII were both a little bit loner-ish or at the very least, gruff. Squall moreso than Cloud.

To me, I guess there isn't really a stereotypical FF lead. They seem to mix it up pretty well.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:19:15 AM

Didn't really get into FF specifics, but I know she believes a lot of the old games (just video games in general) were better than the games today.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:42:42 AM

Hm? Oh I thought you meant to say she would show up here to answer our questions or challenges like Kratos did. We scared him.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:07:28 PM

Ben,

Is there any chance you can pass along any of my questions I posted above? I wrrote the questions out a lot better above, but basicaly I would like to know what her FF game is and why. I would very much like specifics please.

Also, where does she think the MGS series should go next since it would seem Snake's journey has come to an end ?

Thanks

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:01:24 PM

The interview is done. If you want to ask her on Twitter, feel free.

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Ichigo40
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:08:45 AM
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Personally I'm glad that Ben call her out but not for just the sake of calling her out. I like the fact that she keeps up with gaming news on sites like this and I know if I was her I would like to prove my creditably if I had the opportunity. I first heard of Jo on G4 and after reading up on her I was convinced.
That's why when I finally set up a twitter account she was one of the first and few people that I actually care to follow. There always instances where advertisers and companies slap on a beautiful face on a stereotype and say "look at our gamer/sports fan/anime fan/comic fan...so you should pay attention to us!"
Just like us gamers don't like to be stereotyped as lazy, fat, immature, and undateable I'm sure Joe doesn't like to be categorized as a "fake gamer"...that just my two cents! haha

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:21:30 AM
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Nice interview Ben, this is the kind of thing I love about this site, it's not just the usual trickle of gaming news with assorted misogyny disguised as editorial. There is thought, consideration and an open mind both behind and in the articles, and in the majority of reader/commenters.

I think it's funny - in a way - that people are still surprised because someone like Jo Garcia is a gamer. I mean, is it because she's a model? Is it because she's pretty, or cute, or 'hot'? Is it because she's a Playboy model? Is it because she's a 'girl'? Do any of those things negate the possibility of liking or playing video games? Does playing video games from a young age mean that a girl can't be pretty, or a model? Girl gamers have always been the subject of a lot of assumptions as have models, and especially 'hot' Playboy models. But as everyone knows when we assume, we make and ASS out of U and ME.

Is the gaming community still so primitive that it looks down on female gamers? Pretty, cute or 'hot' gamers? what about older gamers? Is the gaming community as a whole still so screwed up that it re-enforces the very stereotypes that have doomed it to be the butt of jokes for decades now? I can't imagine anyone accusing Jo Garcia of being a basement dwelling nerd or anything of the sort, she breaks a lot of the stereotypes. But really what is the stereo-typical gamer now?

All I know is that breaking stereotypes has always been a great thing. Is it a case of, as Worlds puts it "she might be like us, or is it a case of we're like her? Or perhaps it's simply that our definition of 'gamer' is sorely in need of review?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:32:20 AM

Based on what she said, I'd have to say girls playing games is still a very real stereotype. She always has to deal with it, and she doesn't think she'll ever have to STOP dealing with it.

She believes it's more about just girls in general, not pretty or hot girls. Even the gaming journalists just aren't ready to accept that she's one of them...probably due to the fact that when we were growing up, the idea of a girl playing the NES was just plain preposterous.

And I think she fully understands that, and is more than happy to shock the hell out of everyone when they make certain assumptions.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:37:12 AM

And I look forward to it. Perhaps Ben will discuss that 'gamer' label as well?

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:57:06 AM

If the demographics are to be believed, the number of female gamers far from being a tiny proportion of gamers. So that attitude that female gamers are somehow rare or unusual doesn't jive with reality. Perhaps it's the perceptions of male gamers that need to be adjusted?

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wackazoa
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:29:39 AM
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I dont think girls like her are the exception anymore. Games are becoming more mainstream. ESPN has a Madden NFL show every year at the superbowl. Resident Evil and Tomb Raider were big movies. The Wii Fit was being played by my 80 year old grandmother for christ sake. In 10 years I think those who dont play games will be the exception.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:33:56 AM
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... But I bet she's not a REAL gamer, just a console gamer? Everyone knows consoles are for those who can't use a computer.

... or is that just a myth too? ;)


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79transam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:50:48 AM

I know you were being sarcastic but the word "Gamer" reminds me of my other hobby of riding my Harley. I'm on a harley enthusiast web forum and people always toss around the notion that there is a set criteria for what makes you a true "biker". As far as I see it if you play games your a gamer(even if just COD) if you ride a motorcycle you're a biker, if you're a fan of a team then your a fan. Enough with trying to determine what makes somebody a true of anything

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:57:39 AM

Sorry, she has that covered, too. Big-time Starcraft fanatic, loved all the early Command & Conquers, etc. :)

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:05:32 AM

Oh dang. So, she's every man's dream then. Just like that.

... Can she cook? (bah, who cares... :D)

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:25:10 PM

no, it's not a myth, every person is different.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 12:50:56 AM

That's a myth. Youre living proof.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:38:49 AM
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So she got her gaming credentials before she became a super-model - that I can believe. I mean, I just take one look at that photo & instantly think (sorry, its just instinct) "YOUR NOT A GAMER! ITS JUST NOT POSSIBLE.". But credit to her, she directly came to you and explained herself.

Relating to when she watches her dad play, I remember when I got into gaming, it was because I was at a friends house and he was playing a WWE game on the PS2 & I was playing tag-team mode with him. Bearing in mind me & my friend LOVED WWE back then (say what you want about it, it was good entertainment dammit), It's fair to say I had a sort of addiction to anything wrestling related - and games were no exception.

So after playing it every time I went round, I decided to get myself a PS2 and alas, a new gamer was born :) It opened my mind to alot of things too, because, while I was perfectly patient enough to watch films and appreciate the inherent qualities (rather than look past all that and concentrate on the funny parts or something), I was still at a very young age and I didn't quite understand alot of it. However, with games I was able to really open my mind, and take things in much better. Maybe it's the interactive element that has that effect. I'm not too sure. But it sure did help me develop, despite the popular belief that video games have a negative effect on children.

Anyway, bit off-track there (then again I can't remember the last time I commented without doing that). I think it's great that you were able to contact her Ben, especially when you consider that, compared to the bigger sites, PSXE is pretty damn small (don't 20,000 sign up every day on IGN? xD). Looking forward to the next article.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:17:24 AM
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She did mention of Parasite damn Eve of all games xD, I don't doubt her sharing this hobby.

I miss Parasite Eve gameplay last one was just too much different :(

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:49:43 AM
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This place rules, and so does most of the community.

Great interview, and I am looking forward to part 2.

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Diabiblical
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:12:50 PM
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She loves Oddworld. I love her. Life is good.

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CaptRon
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:13:11 PM
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Site is full of white knights, it's pretty damn disgusting..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:23:52 PM

Site is full of what now?

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:36:59 PM

Also a good game.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:49:01 PM

Eh?

Let me try to understand. You used the phrase "White Knights" which is often a reference to people who's character leads them to defend others, because they see a lack of fairness, or an attack on someone that's done nothing to provoke it, or simply because it's the right thing to do. Such people tend to have a high moral code and tend not to be afraid to let it show.

You say that this site is full of White Knights, which I am guessing means that you think there are a lot of posters here who meet the above criteria. Hmmm.. OK, doesn't sound so bad.

Then you say it's disgusting, presumably because of the white knights. So you think that the values of defending those attacked without provocation, combating unfairness, doing the right thing and having a strong moral code is disgusting?

Or perhaps it's because you feel that the 'white knights' are only rushing to the 'aid' of Jo Garcia because she's a hot Playboy model. Maybe you think that the same people would not rush to defend her if she was not so hot? Perhaps you're therefore thinking it's pretty disgusting to have all these people thinking that they can ingratiate themselves with her by defending her? I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong, but whatever....

I get tired of people projecting their own motivations on the behavior of others. Perhaps the "white knights" simply have a higher degree of maturity and a moral code that causes them to speak up?

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:55:39 PM

I think he means that he believe there are a lot of folks here pretending to be something they are not or acting to be more holy than they are or something like that?

Not that I've ever seen "white knight" used like that, but I imagine that's what he meant. :)


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JMO_INDY2
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:08:25 PM

White Knighting as defined by it's original Meme status. Is as is: I quoted the important part. In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, "usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked."

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Ichigo40
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:01:00 PM

I'm guessing he thinks this site should full of immature horndog trolls but the fact that some people may be sticking up for Ms. Garcia is pissing him off because he probably thinks everyone is just being fake and coming to her aid because she is a model.

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Riku994
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:12:55 PM

Ben: An "Internet White Knight" is generally described as a male who jumps to the aid of a female under attack in the hopes that because he's defending her, he'll get something out of it... I'm sure you can guess what that something is, especially in this scenario given the career Jo Garcia has chosen.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:36:00 PM

Ah...guess "white knight" is code for mature in some...less mature circles.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:41:49 PM

Indeed Ben, although I think that for some that code may be considerably more corrupt than that. It's strange how many mature or grown up actions and attitudes are intentionally mis-characterized by the immature.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:26:21 PM

I have a paraphrase. It makes the OP seem really silly.

"Oh shoot... lots of people who try to be decent human beings! ah damn! I'm soooo disgusted!"

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 12:19:08 PM
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The fact that she knows what Oddworld is makes her a gamer in my mind. I loved the first two on PSX

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fatelementality
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:56:39 PM

Those were truly unique games. Never played Stranger's Wraith though (think that's what it was called) or the one for the Xbox (Munch?) They remind me of the uniqueness of games like 9, Grim Fandango, and The Neverhood. I do miss playing that game. Oh, what about Descent! I miss those games with a passion.

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frostface
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:12:33 PM
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Without getting into it, just got a tweet from Jo

Gamernextdoor Playboy's Jo Garcia
@frostface your awesome for saying that thank you.

Guess she read the comments last week? I dunno know.

Thanks Jo if you're reading the comments here now.

However, it's all done and dusted and bring on part 2 of this interview.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:26:10 PM

Damn, she *is* cool!

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Douchebaguette
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 1:37:37 PM
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Is it just me or does she look SLIGHTLY like Rebecca Black?

My bad.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:43:34 PM

DAMN YOU.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:09:42 PM

Maybe Rebecca Black is the little sis of Jo that likes Justin Bieber and all that crap.

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TheCanadianGuy
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 3:31:37 PM

ahh c'mon! i come to this site to get away from that garbage that i refuse to call music. now you've dragged it in here to...

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PharaohJR
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:51:12 PM

DISAGREE 1 HUNDRED

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 2:59:25 PM
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Glad to see that Jo responded & I look forward to the part 2 interview.

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La_Bete12
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 6:09:33 PM
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You know, reading that whole debate on that guy's comment that got 20+ likes got my attention. Sure, she may be a very beautiful woman, but of course she is much more than that. Most men don't look delve into the inner beauty found beneath (or lack there-of). I definitely respect her, and she seems like a very intelligent, mature woman. Some guys seriously just need to get their mind out of the gutter.

And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm a "white knight". My dad's a pastor, and I've been raised to be extremely respectful to the opposite gender. Women are people too, and they deserve the same amount of respect, praise and decency along with all races and people with different sexual taste.

Cheers to you Ms. Garcia, and cheers to all gamers in general. :)

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La_Bete12
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 8:07:46 PM

*dislikes, my bad

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 2:10:08 AM

lol - to feel the need to point out the blatantly obvious "women are people too" is in my opinion more of an insult to women than anything else I've seen on this page. :D


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Underdog15
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 12:23:13 PM

I think it's insulting that it actually needs to be said sometimes.

Your only fault, Beamboom, is that you assume everyone is smart. True, everyone can teach you something. But "average" intelligence is extremely low. I'm pretty sure this is the root of all our disagreements.

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Beamboom
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 4:01:05 AM

Well, I categorically refuse to agree with you there on principal grounds.
My clear experience in my life so far, is that people are okay when you get to know them.
There is no relation between morale and intelligence, and the bad element here is morale, not intelligence. You can easily find unintelligent, high morale, utterly beautiful human beings.
Worst case scenario is intelligence paired with immorality. That's where you find the super villains.

So, the best way of teaching morale is by living it, not preaching it. To preach is using intelligence as the carriage of the message. "Women are people too" is a logical conclusion based on intelligence. But it is immoral to say so, because

a) It means that it's not obvious. Noone says the earth is round any more. It's just too obvious. To point out that women are people means there is a certain element of doubt, or an alternative *is* thinkable. This very way of putting things takes me back a hundred years, to a time and age I do not want to return to.

and
b) It indirectly means that we should respect them only because they are human. If you catch my point. The entire way of arguing is simply wrong on a very, very extensional level. There is a logical breach here that I strongly dislike.


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OPHIDIAN
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:16:50 PM
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@Highlander:

Exactly, it is the epitome of gamer generalisation. It's unfair to consider this community as part of that stereotype.

....

@79trans:

This is advice from a lawyer. I hope this advice is helpful to you and like-minded people:

Get therapy or you could end up in jail.

If you go around telling people how much you would like help with your 'dick balls ...trophy' you have serious issues.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 12:46:15 AM

First off, you got the names wrong. Pretty weird from a lawyer but it wasn't 79trans who posted about the dicks'n'balls trophy. It was Suapsycho.

Secondly: "Get therapy or you could end up in jail"??? Dude, have you lost your mind? What we have here is a teenager trying to make a joke when he sees a pinup model!

Here I have been called everything from an imerialist swine to a provocative idiot and everything between without anyone caring much. And then a Playboy model shows up, a teen does a joke about how he'd like to shag her (or something) and all hell break lose?
What *has* this world come to?!Did *all* sanity get thrown out the windows here as soon as a Playboy model showed up?

Lol - this is totally... Totally twilight zone!


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OPHIDIAN
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 8:08:17 AM

I know who I'm responding to Beam, no need to worry. Just read the comments carefully, and slowly at that, and you may just comprehend it.

Let's put this simply.

You walk up to a stranger at a bus stop and noticing her good looks decide to kindly inform her how much you would like to fck her. I very much doubt you will get a welcoming answer mate, and I will be surprised if the police are not informed. You get cases like this every day in England.

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EDIT

I don't mean to be rude, but I will no longer elaborate on this matter, just getting plain boring now.

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FoReVeR_0515
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 8:26:00 AM

Just for the people who don't realize it, "Harder Dick's Balls" is a trophy for the PS3 downloadable game 'Pain'. I'm not getting on the subject of whether or not he should have commented what he did, but I just thought that was a bit of information some may not have known.

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Underdog15
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 10:25:39 AM

Yes, I've played Pain. The fact that it's a trophy is irrelevant. It only shows he tried to be clever. It doesn't detract from the brash post itself.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 2:11:01 PM

Ophidian, I really struggle finding words to describe how ridiculous this is what you are saying here.

If you have a problem seeing the difference between a guy uttering a comment about a Playboy model (being it funny or not) and harassing someone directly at a bus stop, if you can even think the thought of it having *any* kind of relation then... Well... That's...

... I'm out of words. That's it. I have edited and written at least ten different sentences in this comment but none does justice to it. If you lack the ability to put this into perspective then... This is scary. That's all I am able to say. I am scared now.


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OPHIDIAN
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 9:05:34 PM

There is no benefit to you thinking ill of me, nor is there a benefit in my writing this comment.

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Malicious Communications Act 1998

S.1(1)(a)

It is an offence to send a message to someone which is 'indecent or grossly offensive.'

Indecent in the Oxford dictionary is defined as:

"Not conforming with generally accepted standards of behaviour, especially in relation to sexual matters."

There are thousands of cases which make use of the law and all it would take in this situation would be for Jo to say the comment has made her upset.

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edit

My advice from the very beginning to you, 79trans and psycho? Tread carefully.


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Beamboom
Friday, December 09, 2011 @ 5:13:55 AM

Good luck in your witch hunt. According to your perception of reality you are living on a planet of offenders.

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Underdog15
Friday, December 09, 2011 @ 9:57:49 AM

I wanted to reply earlier, Beamboom, but I didn't have my work computer with my stats with me.

Part of my job counseling youth and employment counseling is to advocate for youth. I also job develop, which means I am a liaison between employers and employees. This year alone, I have had 89 complaints of inappropriate advances/comments related to various workplaces. 82 of them were complaints from females about "jokes". It was all "light hearted fun", and in 2 workplaces (both mechanics shops), the bosses told me that this kind of joking is how the guys joke around, and it's not serious.

Of the 89 complaints, only 4 wanted some action taken on their behalf. 1 complaint is currently in court. 2 complaints resulted in firings. And another resolved itself through discussion.

I have 48 of these complaints where the complainer said they didn't want to make a big deal because they can't afford to lose their job. (In other words... backed down due to fear. Because "they can't take a joke")

What is important to notice, that in every single case this year, and in last year's 113 total cases, every single time the complainer decided to take action, it worked favorably for them. Of the 2 court cases from last year, only one has finished, and it resulted in criminal charges against the attacking individual (community service and parole. No jail time.) and the business was fined $500k for not taking minimum required steps to protect their employees under Canada's Bill 168, which addresses harassment and safe workplace laws. There is currently now a civil lawsuit underway where the abused is suing the business. There's a good chance she'll win. Bear in mind, this entire case is based on verbal advances. Nothing physical. Why? Because she's protected under Canada's Bill 168. Because she has the right to exist fairly and equally without unwanted advances or sexual jokes. (similar to Ophidian's malicious communication's act in his country, and I'm sure whatever act is in yours, Beam.)

Collateral damage for the business included their "Workplace Safety and Insurance Board" premiums to quadruple.


Basically, what I'm saying, is that Ophidian is dead right. You might not like it or think it should be that way, but it is the way it is most 1st world countries.

The biggest problem now is that victims of harassment still are not likely to defend themselves out of fear for losing their jobs, not being liked, etc. etc. About 86% of harassment cases are purely vocal harassment. Only 14% of it is physical.

So yes... it should be taken seriously. And he's right. All it would take is for the one talked about inappropriately to take action. They would almost definitely win. Especially when it's etched for all eternity on a website.


Obviously, it won't happen. But Ophidian is right. It could. (It's why comments sections SHOULD have anti-harassment policies that are better enforced than they are. Just to protect the business of the website, let alone it's participants.)

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OPHIDIAN
Friday, December 09, 2011 @ 11:07:02 AM

Your all too right Beam, we are living in a planet of offenders and without law and order there would be no justice to put these offenders where they belong, in jail.

I think in America the word used to describe this sort of thing is 'cyberstalking.'

As Underdog says, cyberstalking can have a profound effect on individuals and it should be prevented and those found to have committed an offence should be punished to prevent further offences.

Such ignorance of the law should not be forgiven.

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It being a teenage or young person's jest is not excusable, I am 23 and it is sickening to see this kind of behaviour.

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Beamboom
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 4:17:58 AM

We probably lack common grounds to base our discussion on cause to me this is pure insanity. I think I may just have to just file this under "cultural differences".
You both seem to be intelligent beings but if you guys don't separate between direct person-to-person harassment and a guys comment to another regarding a third person then maybe your legal system must relate to that.

But if you really, really mean that this "oh I'd love to screw this gal" comment here is in ANY way relative to the things you describe, then you must also think that a crime is committed in this example:

Two guys sit outside a restaurant having a beer. A beautiful woman passes by. Short skirts, no bra, loose blouse dancing around basking in the wonders of gravitation.
One guy say to the other, "oh shit, check out the movements inside that blouse, man. Are they fake you think? Not that I'd care much if I were located between them...".
BANG! Crime committed! Red Alert! All morale police officers to the battle stations! These are two potential sex crime offenders that need to be told they are sick in their heads and need counselling!

... Or not? This is human nature we talk about here! And the difference between two buddies saying so to each other and to actually walk up to this girl and repeat the exact same sentences is like miles, miiiiles apart. It's like two different universes! They are not in any way related!

Men/boys will ALWAYS, forever and ever comment on tits&asses. That is NO crime, that is human nature!

And as shocking as it may sound: Girls are no better. Nope, this is not just a boys thing. They are not innocent, naive dolls floating around, "they are people too", you know. And people do these things. Girls are just a tad more discrete, out of purely social norm reasons. They are not supposed to howl, so they do it a bit more quietly.

But damn do they howl like single minded primitive species too. You would probably not believe the things I've heard (and seen!) from girls while working in a "public" job (I've been a DJ and TV host for several years).
They are no better at all. But again: This is human nature! To howl at a girl on a stripper pole and harass a colleague at work (or on their Facebook page) are to ENTIRELY different things!
And what this guy did here was equal to howling at a stripper club - NOT harass a colleague at work.

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fatelementality
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 7:51:37 PM
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Random inappropriate comment.

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PharaohJR
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 11:46:38 PM
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boss lady is something gorgeous..... its good hearing more females are enjoying gaming. you cant deny if she was your lady it be allot of distraction while gaming.

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Nynja
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 10:18:24 AM
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Ben, did ya score a date? :)

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Maeldun
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 10:58:55 AM
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Want to know if she's fake? Go watch her Battlefield 3 review lol If you weren't sure she was fake before you definitely will be after. Most generic review ever...her writers must have no imagination.

You can see in her face and jerky ghetto movements she has no clue what she's talking about. If you can even take your attention off of her cleavage to look at her face lol WONDER why that is in there? =D

Thing is I don't really care....this is what the media does, they have been trying to do it for years....sell the idea of hot female gamers. Another example, Morgan Webb. And any of the other girls on G4, you think they're there for their leet skillz? lol

What I find funny is the people who find attractive gamer girls or just plain normal gamer girls some kind of rare commodity....my first thought is wow...these people probably don't know many girls lol Gamer girls, attractive and not so attractive are a dime a dozen...especially in my circle. I can think of 5 girls right off the top of my head of girls on my Xbox Live friends list that would have you drooling at your screen. They really aren't that rare....but then again like I said....silly media *sigh* Sorry for super long comment btw

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 12:28:08 PM

I've been playing games for 27 years. I'll spot a fake in about thirty seconds.

I spoke with this woman. She lives and breathes gaming; she knows things YOU and many other people probably don't know about hardcore RTS, RPG, and classic gaming, all the way back to Mega Man and Mario.

As for your supposedly drool-worthy girl gamer friends, I'm not seeing any such thing at my local GameStop. In fact, nobody is.

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Underdog15
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 1:19:19 PM

Ben, this is the best comment you've ever posted in the comments section. XD

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Maeldun
Thursday, December 15, 2011 @ 2:23:12 PM

Too busy looking at the games? Lol Like I said before...hardcore gamer playboy models, girl gamers being rare...cute ideas...but not reality in the slighest.

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stgclawson
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 12:56:48 PM
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I didn't know it was still such a rare thing for girls to be gamers, but I guess it is since I'm the only girl I know that plays games. I've been playing since Atari and am now 42 and still game most every day. My favorites are RPGs (the old Shining Force, Valkyria Chronicles, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, etc) and Action/Adventure (Uncharted, Ratchet, Batman, etc). None of my friends, sister, mom, etc. have ever played games, but I could never get enough of them! I guess it's still somewhat rare. I of course have a life - a very normal life - married for 20 years, have a 14 year old son and do all sorts of things other than gaming - it's just one of many of my hobbies/interests. Some people laugh and think it's funny both that I'm a girl gamer, but also that I still game at age 42, but I think most people think it's cool...especially my son's friends. They are always shocked when they come over and see me playing a game. They always say their moms would NEVER do that! My husband doesn't play games and never has. My son plays games, but also just one of his many many hobbies. He is outdoors many hours a day playing basketball, riding his bike, etc. But when homework is done and it's too dark to go outside - he plays games. I think people can be (and should be) well-balance about gaming!! And girls can game too - I just don't know any but myself :)

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Maeldun
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 9:22:00 PM

It's not the guy who wrote this is just retarded lol

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MrAnonymity
Thursday, December 08, 2011 @ 9:43:02 PM
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Egad, Brain.
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Not really much else to say, you know? Believe it or not - there are female gamers. *dun dun dun*

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Suapsycho
Sunday, December 11, 2011 @ 10:37:07 AM
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Kev2579 is the only one who got the reference I was making. I'm extremely pleased however that my comment created such an in-depth discussion. I'm impressed with the intelligence some people displayed; also disappointed that I saw some iditotic remarks about myself and assumptions in general.

Harder Dick's Balls is a trophy in the game Pain. It was a double entendre. Call it crass if you want. I know you assholes looked at her pics and thought the same thing.

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