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Revengeance: An Ill-Advised Spin-Off Or Something Better?

It's a sensitive question, especially considering the fact that hardcore Metal Gear Solid fans would've much rather seen MGS5 unveiled.

And although Hideo Kojima has specifically stated that the newly renamed Revengeance is a spin-off and not technically part of the core Metal Gear Solid franchise, those fans remain a tad bitter. They just seem automatically biased against the new project, which started its life at Kojima Productions and will finish the development cycle at Bayonetta and Vanquish developer Platinum Games.

But you know, as much as I don't like the idea of spin-offs, as much as I don't like popular franchises resulting in sub-par titles that simply use the franchise name for popularity purposes, I still think we we should give Rising a chance. I'm going strictly by the accomplishments and reputations of everyone involved in this project. My opinion has nothing to do with what I've seen in those action trailers. But when you've got the Kojima team doing the story and characters, and one of the better action-oriented studios handling the gameplay, I think we're looking at something better than a standard spin-off.

I mean, we all have negative associations for the term "spin-off." People immediately think of the word "milking" and assume there's little chance the project will be as good as the classic titles in the original series. And they have good reason for that assumption. It's perfectly sensible. However, in this particular case, if you put all the creators under the microscope, you have to wonder how this can possibly fail. And besides, since when does Kojima put his name anywhere near sub-par products?

Spin-offs probably shouldn't be encouraged, if only for the sake of quality and innovation. Still, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance might be one of those great exceptions to the rule.

Related Game(s): Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

Tags: mgs rising, metal gear rising, revengeance, platinum games

12/22/2011 9:52:59 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (30 posts)

Jawknee
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 10:15:58 PM
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After E3 2010 I was actually starting to warm to this game. Now....not so much.

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main_event05
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 6:34:02 AM

I was just thinking that. It's like the whole Coke vs Coke Classic thing all over again, when all you really want is a Pepsi.

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matt99
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 10:33:29 PM
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Revengeance is just such a stupid name. It reminds me of idiots who try and use a big word to sound smart, but they're idiots so they end up combining the two words that mean what they want to say.

Just stick with Metal Gear Rising.

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Gordo
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 3:13:04 AM

I know what you mean!

I'm very very anticappointed.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 9:06:03 AM

I thought the same too. It just makes it sound cheap to me, the concept already sounding that way.

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Spineshank
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 10:35:36 PM
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Well I'm open to many games but this entry doesn't have that same legendary feel to it, it looks like some cheap anime.

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VampDeLeon
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 10:52:43 PM
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Well.. at least it is a spin-off, like how they did Ghost Babel, Snake's Revenge, and the Acid series but now it's with Raiden instead of Solid Snake. At least it's not like we'll be forced to play as him in order to get the main storyline ala MGS2 (though I didn't mind Raiden there)..

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rainrox
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 11:25:13 PM
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I'm pretty happy that Revengeance will be a spin off and not a "Solid" game. Thinking that Raiden will star another "Solid" game is disheartening.

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JLB1
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 11:31:58 PM
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Having never played a MGS game, this looks interesting to me, especially since Platinum Games is making it. I wouldn't say it's a day one purchase, but I'll be looking forward to seeing more of this game.

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ZenChichiri
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 11:41:25 PM
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Raiden: "How could they kill our dog like that?! In cold blood too!"

Rose: "Cool it Raiden! Wait...why am I calling you that? Cool it Jack! We're finally back together again as a family. We'll get a new dog. Just move on!"

Raiden: "No! I must ruin my life and don my ninja cyborg exoskeleton suit once again!"

Rose: "Shut it Jack! If you put that thing on one more time this relationship is over! We need you at home! You have to take care of our child while I pay the f**king bills with my government job. Your whole ninja thing used to turn me on, but now it's just annoying!"

Raiden: "You don't understand me...nobody does! Snake is the only one that did, but when I tried to cuddle with him, he refused me."

Rose: "Jack, no matter what you've done in the past, I can forgive you. Just let go of the ninja suit and stay at home with your family."

Raiden: "NO! I will not rest...until I get my...REVENGEANCE!"

Rose: "Is that even a word? Oh s**t Jack, you sure did it now. Do you think making up words makes you sound cool? HUH?! God when did you become such a pussy."

Raiden: "Rose..." *sniffle* "You're SO MEAN TO ME!"
*runs away in tears grasping ninja suit*

That is the opening cutscene to Revengeance.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 7:26:04 AM

Good God, please no. Hearing any chatter between Jack and Rose reminds me of MGS2's useless blabber. It was so bad I can still hear the codec conversations in my head. MAKE IT STOP.

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BigBoss4ever
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:50:05 AM
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MGS5 with the Boss and her Cobra Unit taking on the invasion of Normandy secret mission, this will be above and beyond excitement.... as Kojima indicated in his recent interview to explain why he handed over the Rising project to Platinum. IF what he implied is factual, then nothing more to expect.that is a big "IF", ofcourse.

Rising or Raiden, to me, is a boring character to start with, nothing more to say.

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___________
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 2:30:49 AM
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i really cant understand the backlash to this.
i mean when THQ did a spin off RFG everyone loved it, it was a f*cking fantastic game!
when ubisoft did a spin off of PoP everyone loved it, it was a f*cking fantastic game!
now there doing a spin off of MGS, and this is FAR more relevant to the series then the other 2 games, because their trying to tell the story of raiden, the sh*t hits the fan!
so its ok to turn RF into a game totally different to the series.
its ok to turn PoP into a totally different series.
but god help you if you turn MGS into a totally different series, even though this is the one closest to the series roots at least its telling the story of a character in the series not something totally different.
whys that?
do whatever you want to RF or PoP but god help you if you touch MGS!

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Jawknee
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 3:36:40 AM

No one cares about THQ.

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Snaaaake
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 3:45:28 AM

Well dude, it's because of the dumb name and why the heck is it taking place AFTER MGS4.
I thought it's taking place between MGS2 and MGS4?
I don't know man, is Platinum planning to rewrite the story as well?

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___________
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 8:35:40 AM

so then no one cares about darksiders, saints row, devils third, red faction, WWE and the witcher?
rrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttt...............

the story in RFG and the PoP spin off really did not make sense in the series storyline either so why does it matter?
im really looking forward to it simply because it looks like a freaking awesome game!
especially how they have the slice shots where you can pause time and make accurate shots slicing enemies in so many different ways.
no game has ever had that before!
i much preferred the look of it when it was announced, then it looked like a MG game.
now it does not.
you have to remember it was canned, so either we get a new IP with MG name or we get no game.
and theres not exactly a influx of awesome hack and slash games out there, so the more the merrier!
as the saying goes, better then nothing.
looks a sh*t ton better then bayonetta thats for sure!

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GuyverLT
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 3:44:15 PM

is Platinum planning to rewrite the story as well?

They can't .... cause it's being handled by Kojima Productions, the only thing Platinum has to worry about is the gameplay and thats it.

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Snaaaake
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 3:43:13 AM
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This looks amazing until the VGA footage shows up, used to look like a unique hack and slash but now it doesn't look all that special.

I'm sorry I love Platinum but it looks Platinum is messing this game up.

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cLoudou
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 5:01:37 AM
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I don't really care but the MGS Hardcore do. As long as Koji Pro isn't involved and are working on other things its fine by me. Platinum knows how to make good, fun, action games.

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TheOldOne
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 6:47:54 AM
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Not all spin-offs are bad. Best example of that is Portal 2.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 7:33:41 AM
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Why in the hell is the story set AFTER MGS4? Raiden's BACKSTORY has all kinds of potential. Who is helming the story now? If it's Platinum games then count me out. The original concept looked way better imo.

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Fox hounder
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:09:58 AM

Kojima pro is still doing the story.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 9:02:52 AM
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It's not taking away resources from Kojima Productions so I'm fine with it existing, it's not for me at all but I'm sure others, who don't identify with the series and it's long history might enjoy it.

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Fox hounder
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:26:00 AM
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I got to thinking. Raiden was originally designed to attract female gamers who didn't want to play as some "old guy" (Snake), and now he is being marketed towards western action fans who don't have the patients for stealth.

kinda funny when ya think about it :)

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:39:45 AM

When I first saw Raiden during MGS2 boot uu sequence I thought it was a girl with blonde hair standing beside Snake. Was Snake really considered an old guy in MGS2? Whatever I thought the bait and switch pulled in MGS2 was an ill advised move. One that shows even Hideo is capable of mistakes. MGS2 was a huge let down for me. Raiden was alright in MGS4. Hideo essentialy turned him into Grey Fox 2.0.

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Fox hounder
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:11:21 PM

Kojima pro did a testing of MGS1 for female gamers to get feedback (this was before the release of MGS2), and one of the girls in the panel told kojima that there where to many old guys, and she didn't want to play a game with a bunch of boring old men.

So they created Raiden :(

PS: I thought Raiden was a girl too, lol.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 4:20:47 PM

Sure Raiden was more feminine, but I got over that by half way through do to the tremendous gameplay (Still feel MGS2 has the best controls and gemplay in a MG). I for one loved the story and it's themes, the conflict between digital censorisation and genes was very well put, many complained at how boring the codec conversations, but I found MGS3 and PW far more tedious with its constant political rants which lasted far longer.

Still that aside I did enjoy MGS3. I will make up my mind on PW after I attempt to play it again when the HD collection reaches us in Feb.

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Oxvial
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:10:28 AM
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PLATINUM GAMES, ffs can't believe you guy fear this game gonna suck.

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Temjin001
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:06:42 PM
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This game looks stupid awesome. And when I read from some awnry posters that claim the game looks "bland" I just can't identify with them. How the heck can Platinum's efforts ever be describred as bland? Just look at how insanely intense they do things. Vanquish was dubbed "Gears on crack". Bayonetta came out of nowhere and said I can hang with the best of them in intensity and outragiousness. And here we have Reavengeance, just down right action insanity, where bland has no business being used as an adjective to anything... except for maybe the graphics detail on the PS3-side.

Basically, upset Metal Gear purists can be a lot of things about Reavengeance, but one thing they can't be, and that's feeling "bland" about Reavengeance.

I suppose I should just assume it's just a lack of vocabulary or something. Who knows?

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 4:15:42 PM
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I have no problem with spin offs, just look at how good Crisis Core was. as I have said before my problem with this game is that it is post MGS4, Raidens story was over, this should not have happened.

I have no problem that the game is an action hack n' slash, infact I think the gameplay could be quite good, but I just don't want the art department to go overboard, the 2010 trailer was fine in that aspect, the new one was just too over the top for Metal Gear.

I can't see it being an essential purchase for me, however I may pick it up once it becomes cheaper. Just to see how it went even.

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