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Combat Sim Powered By CryEngine 3 Will Blow You Away

The Army has been using video game technology in combat simulations for years. And as technology has gotten better, those simulated battlegrounds have appropriately started to leap off the screen.

Just look at what they're doing with the CryEngine 3. Here are two trailers from the new Dismounted Soldier Training System; bear in mind that you're looking at a $57 million project from RealTime Immersive, Inc.

The first trailer is called an "in-game cinematic" and it's rendering a very large area.

The second shows off the technology involved, and that includes combat and what appears to be a little convertible submarine.

No, sorry, this is specifically for training purposes, so you won't be able to "play" it. But at the rate we're going, Call of Duty will look like this in a few years time. ...okay, maybe not CoD with its 73-year-old engine that Activision refuses to upgrade, but some shooter might look like this.

Tags: army training sim, cryengine 3, combat simulator

12/23/2011 9:53:14 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (27 posts)

Highlander
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:20:30 AM
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As awesome as this looks, and it does look awesome, the very point a bout games like Call of Duty looking this good in a few years raises an interesting question.

If this is what a combat training system looks like and handles like, are the things that we call games really anything other than combat training systems? Or, to put it in the terms that a lawyer that is disliked across the gaming world would put it. If this training system designed to teach soldiers how to kill more effectively is how 1st person action video games can look in a short while, doesn't that really make the games the same - training systems designed to teach the user how to kill more effectively. Or to put it in the truly emotional terms that this particular lawyer is fond of, doesn't this suggest that out games are little more than murder simulators?

To be serious for a moment, because I don't fully buy into the line that particular legal eagle spins; doesn't it make you feel a little uneasy that what we call a video game is within a whisker of passing as a military training simulation? Does that not worry anyone? I mean, if the military is willing to pour millions of dollars into development and provisioning of this tool to train combat troops, there has to be something to this idea of using it as a combat training aid, right? So doesn't it more or less logically follow, perhaps inescapably, that Call of Duty, Battlefield 3 and other similar games are almost as effective as the 'pro' version?

I really find this a concerning thought. Millions of gamers playing something that 5 years ago *would* have passed as the 'pro' version of a combat training simulator. And these gamers are putting how many hours into these 'games'?

Yikes.

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rogers71
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:33:34 AM

Excellent post as usual, Highlander. I will add to it by saying this. In my neighborhood, there are alot of kids in the age range 8 - 13 (my son is 9). I see them running around the houses with their plastic guns playing war. I don't see anything wrong with that as I was doing the same thing at that age.

My worry comes from the fact that these kids are using strategic flanking methods and mimicing what they have learned from these war games.

You bring up a valid worry but at the same time, it is ultimately up to the parent(s) of the child(ren) to teach these kids right and wrong and real vs. fake. Great discussion Highlander.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:49:56 AM

There is to much media and environmental influence to worry about gaming by itself. Blackhawk Down can give you the same training. An 18 yr old can be influenced even though they were sheltered their whole lives. It only takes one friend to change years of shelter and teaching. Environment is the real parent. Rogers71 hit the nail on the head right in the center while doing a quadruple back flip. It's up the parents to teach their child(ren) everything Rogers71 said. So when they meet that friend that shows them something they haven't seen before they know how to handle it and do the right thing.

My son just turned 4 and I am going to introduce him to his first game soon. He has watched me play literally 20 minutes so far of his life, that's it. I always shut it off right after he comes in the room. The other day he saw me playing Trine 2 and was instantly in love with it. "Dad, I want to watch that" "Dad, that is so cool!". Even though I was in a beautiful looking area figuring out a puzzle with no baddies around I got nervous. It's up to us to do the right thing for our kids.

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Cesar_ser_4
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:06:30 AM

I'd say its not much of a sim when you're using a controller. But with a motion controller like the ps move with the sharp shooter attachment then it's a different story. Although the animation needs work. I have only seen the animation in MW2-MW3 and it looks more realistic than this.

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Qubex
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:13:20 AM

Yes, some good points raised. I must add though that looking at this footage and making comparisons I actually thought that Battlefield 3 looks just as good. I actually don't see much of a difference. If you play BF3 on a high end PC maxed out you are getting pretty similar visuals.

I would say that CryEngine 3 and Frostbyte engines are pretty much on par. I am sure Frostbyte will be just as good or better when iteration 3 comes along in a year or so's time...

Nonetheless it does show how great the application of these technologies are to every day situations, especially situations of war.

It is a shame humanity has to go this route though. It would be best if we didn't have wars, killing and bloodshed like we have had in the past. 2011 itself, has been an incredibly eventful year, more so than what I can remember before.

It just seems global volatility has been extreme with some incredible events having taken place and are continuing to reverberate worldwide as we speak (or type in this case).

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Temjin001
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:53:03 PM

I've been playing a lot of FPS games and for some dang reason I still can't shoot a real rifle worth a darn =p
If someone would mod a Dualshock 3 to a gun I'd be a real mean man. Better yet, get this, a keyboard and mouse to a gun.

"oh, you just wait until I find a flat surface to aim at you on, Al Queda scum!"

=p
anyway, yeah, there's not a enough Gospel games to balance out the military death games. I'd feel more comfortable seeing kids mimmicking Mormon missionaries than shooting thugs dead, yelling "EAT LEAD COBRA!"

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NiteKrawler
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 4:34:24 PM

It doesn't bother me. If someone really wants to murder someone, they will. Whether they have video games, books detailing how, or movies...they will.

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SubjectiveTruth
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 5:20:46 PM

The real question is, how good is this simulator (and the games we play) at teaching people to kill? Can you really simulate ending another living beings life?

I would say that you would be farther ahead to get out in real life and go hunting than sit inside and play MW3 or BF if you want to learn about killing and death. I live in a rural area and hunting is part of life here. I can tell you that when I kill someone in MW I feel good.I beat another person in competition. It has nothing to do with the actual thought of having killed someone. When I pull the trigger on a dear, foul or any other game animal it is an entirely different feeling. I can't imagine any way of simulating ending another living things life. If it is a simulation, you will always be aware that it is not really alive. Even if things get really matrix like, where you are unaware you are in a simulation until you exit it, you still won't be able to kill anything any easier once you exit the simulation and realize you've still never killed any other living thing. If virtual killing was the same as reality, you'd find all the worst serial killers at the top of the MW3 leader boards.

NOW what these simulations might actually be good at is teaching people battle tactics. The same way that a racing simulator could teach someone how to take a corner. Or how a flight simulator can teach you to fly a plane. You can put all the same controls into someones hands and simulate the physics by computer which makes the virtual plane or car behave like a real one. Physics and control values can be put into numbers and turned into a simulation but the emotion of killing and death can't be.
No matter how many plane crashes or car accidents a person virtually experiences, they will still be scared in the event that they find themselves in a real accident because they know that the virtual one wont really kill them but the real one might.

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Rogueagent01
Saturday, December 24, 2011 @ 10:19:42 AM

I'm actually suprised no one brought up "Full Spectrum Warrior" as that game was made into a military simulator years ago.

The one thing I can say about this is no simulator/game teaches you too kill. Sure it teaches tactics, knowledge, muscle memory, and gives the ability to think without thinking. But in no way do they circumvent the conscious. Even when you sign up to the military and go through boot camp and even several other training courses you won't know if your a killer until the moment comes. Many soldiers have a mental breakdown after their first real kill, especially at close range. No simulator can duplicate this even real life training does not have that ability. I am not saying let you 5 year old play CoD or BF3 but if you bring them up right and limit their time with these games then they should be fine.

I myself was brought up around felons, played and watched violent movies and games at a really young age, and also played with every possible toy that resembled a real weapon. And the funny thing is as an adult I am Buddhist and a total passivist, reinforcing the fact that if your parents teach you right from wrong that you will LIKELY turn out ok. Don't get me wrong I was a violent little teenager, but I attribute much of that to sports and the coaches who encouraged it amongst our wrestling team. They would get us out of trouble within the schools and even with the cops if we got into fights. Those coaches were far more harmful then any movie, game, or toy ever was as they tried to brainwash us into being monsters. In their defense this area is known for turning out some of the worlds best wrestlers, thousands have gone on to Iowa and even to the Olympics from this area.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 10:39:00 AM
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Amazing, thanks for this article! This is most definitely the future. I am not sure if the PS4 will look like this. My guess this is more PS5 material. The draw distance was fantastic. Everything, the detail and models looked photo realistic! There is a lot to look forward to in the future. Now alter your vision a little bit and look at this detail and imagine Elder Scroll VI! All the other types of games with this type of detail will be such a joy to experience. Awe inspiring!!

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Temjin001
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:22:16 AM

oh, don't worry. I think this will be within the realm of the next gen pretty easily if you ask me. Chances are this stuff isn't running on anything more powerful than a high end PC and the latest NVIDIA/ATI graphics card setup of today. And seeing that the next gen is still over a year away (according to rumors) we should really expect better.

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Lairfan
Saturday, December 24, 2011 @ 4:18:13 PM

Like Temjin said, this should be a piece of cake for the PS4. I see nothing outstandingly amazing that would make me think otherwise.

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Temjin001
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:19:24 AM
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Coolness. I finished BF3's campaign on PS3 earlier this week and I have to say these military games can look so dang realistic. I think BF3, HR, and GT5 are probably the most realistic looking games I've played all gen.
Maybe Crytek will take all of these hard earned assests and turn some sort of game out of them all while they're doing this military simulator stuff.

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Geobaldi
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 11:21:35 AM
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There's already some nice wartime mods available for Crysis 2 that are around the same details as this, though I'm sure with the budget the Army has for this, there is probably some features that were added that we don't know about.

Arma 3 next year is another that will bring some pretty good eye candy to the front lines.

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Teddie9
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:08:46 PM
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Crytek's next game might though...

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JMO_INDY2
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 12:37:14 PM
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$57 million dollars later and they still can't make a face that looks human... Sigh. Hire Naughty Dog or Kojima for Character modeling.

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Snaaaake
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 6:12:10 PM

If only Team Bondi is here..........

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 4:10:41 PM
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"A virtual grunt of the digital age. That's just great."

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SolidFantasy
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 6:50:56 PM

I bet I know where that quote is from :)

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SubjectiveTruth
Sunday, December 25, 2011 @ 9:32:38 AM

I love that game.

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trinichinese
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 9:07:58 PM
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well u have to be nieve if any one things that war game are not training to the masses . think about it how many young men and women by the age of 14 not even 18 ,14 knows what an m4 looks like what the mag is what size bullets it shoots things like that is training it process info so by the time u join the military u are already half way there remember knowing is half the battle

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trinichinese
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 9:09:01 PM
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the scary thing would be those that cant tell the difference from fantacy from real life

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___________
Saturday, December 24, 2011 @ 2:44:48 AM
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always said cryengine 3 is by far the most impressive engine out there!
makes id tech 5 and frostbite 2 look like childsplay!
crytek may be sell outs, but god dam do they know their way around hardware!
i cant wait to see what homefront 2 looks like!
if its anything like some of the mods popping up for crysis 2, that above trailer may not be as far off as we think!

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Lairfan
Saturday, December 24, 2011 @ 4:20:30 PM

What's so special about this engine over id tech 5 and Frostbite 2? I really don't see a huge amount of difference to be honest.

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___________
Sunday, December 25, 2011 @ 7:40:45 AM

texture detail is much higher, has higher support for higher AA, plays nicer with HDR and FXAA, and some of the mods on it are jaw dropping!
have you seen the titanic render?
a little trailer to show what that movie would look like if it was made today, in the CE3.
freaking mind blowing!!!!!!!
makes epics samaratan demo look like childs play!
and that was for a next gen engine.........

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Geobaldi
Sunday, December 25, 2011 @ 10:33:32 AM

And here's a video of the mentioned Titanic render.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_IKqjb9TRY

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Beamboom
Monday, December 26, 2011 @ 2:07:22 PM
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Man that editor looked awesome!

I sincerely hope Crytek get at least *one* GOTY this year with their two games on the PS3. They've *so* deserved it.

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