Could The PS3 End Up With More Sales Than The 360 And Wii?
See Full ImageAt the start of this generation, it was a comical question.
But look at the situation now: the Wii might be at around 90 million, while the PS3 and 360 are hovering around 60 million.
Depending on the source, it seems the PlayStation 3 isn't more than 4 or 5 million units behind the Xbox 360 in the worldwide tally, and again, we have to wonder if Sony is quoting sold numbers. For the record, Microsoft always uses shipped numbers. It's also interesting to note that the 360 has been around for an extra full year. That's pretty significant, you know.
The Wii is obviously way ahead of both and neither the PS3 or 360 will pass it any time soon. But Sony seems to be committed to their 10-year life cycle for the PS3, and Wii sales have been in a tailspin for quite some time. That thing will have flat-lined long before the PS3 disappears; in fact, historically speaking, the PS3 could sell a huge number of consoles in the future. Once the price drops down to $200 and then $100, given the huge library and the potentially prohibitive cost of new hardware, sales could continue to climb.
I really don't think there's any doubt that the PS3 will enjoy far better sales than either the Wii or 360, even when the PS4 is on store shelves. So if we look at the numbers again in another three or four years, would anyone be really shocked to see that the PS3 had topped even the once-invincible Wii? It almost seems inevitable that Sony's console will top the 360, if it hasn't already. And once Microsoft comes out with a new machine, that'll be it for the 360, as it was for the original Xbox. So what do you think about this?
Tags: ps3, playstation 3, ps3 sales, console sales
1/11/2012 9:10:58 PM Ben Dutka
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GuyverLT
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 9:40:59 PM
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berserk
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 9:53:37 PM
But yes , it don t really matter now .
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berserk
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 9:45:40 PM
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 9:55:34 PM
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PS1 for the win
PS2 for the win
And the PS3 will bring on the 3peat
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gomtuu
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 10:05:53 PM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 11:27:20 PM
no.
XD
I'm not sure there's a provable point in any of that. Seems kind of far-reaching to me, actually. PS3's are used for blu-ray movies while XBOX and Wii are for real gamers?
Based on your logic about multiplats, the Wii is in dead last place and can't even be considered. MAJOR inconsistencies, friend.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 11:56:56 PM
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Warrior Poet
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 12:51:21 AM
It's not quite fair to relegate an entire console library to the unwashed millions of Just Dancers.
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Beamboom
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 2:26:52 AM
I've noticed that some multiplats sell *remarkably* much better on the x360, Skyrim being my prime recent example but also other titles. In fact the only title I've heard sold better on the ps3 was FF13.
If any of you know of other titles that's sold significantly better on either platform it'd be great if you could post it, would be interesting to know.
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VampDeLeon
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 5:09:58 AM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 6:11:06 AM
I adimit I can't come up with an example of a multiplat game outside of FF13 that did better on the PS3. If I had to guess I would say the MGS HD collection did better on the PS3.
I actually think the 360 is perceived to be more of a hardcore gamer's machine.
Last edited by Excelsior1 on 1/12/2012 6:16:40 AM
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thepill
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 6:18:21 AM
First point: the PS3 hasn't been the cheapest option for bluray in quite some time.
Point number two: the xbox 360 has enjoyed a huge lead time, and reaped the, for lack of a better term "rewards" of shoddy craftsmanship. I'm not trolling, I'm speaking from experience. I have purchased 5 360's and only have one that is fully functional, and one that won't read discs, the other 3 are red ring consoles. So yes it is a system purchased by gamers, but in many cases, it is purchased numerous times by the same gamer.
Third point: The wii is rarely purchased by the people that that any of us would consider "core" gamers, instead it is routinely purchased by parents of younger children.
The PS3 has continued to outpace the 360, and the wii in almost every market for a while now, and frankly the fact that it has been doing this as the most expensive of the three is pretty remarkable, and speaks to the desirability of the console by the gaming community.
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 6:47:24 AM
I could easily come back with a point, that while has some merit to consider, does not provide anyone with anything that ACTUALLY supports my point. Here's an example: If I am to list my top 10 or 20 highest quality (Note, QUALITY, not favorite. For example, I would list God of War 3 there, but I don't personally like it) I bet the PS3 would have almost all if not actually all exclusives. The XBOX quality list might have a few there, but I bet it includes a good percentage of multiplats.
What I might draw from that is PS3 owenrs are more likely to invest what little dollar they have into an exclusive over a multiplat, whereas, if you look at last year, 360 owners have had Kinect games, Gears, and multiplats... so of course the are all going to need some multiplats.
I think that my point there is worth considering, but there is nothing provable within it. Simply saying more multiplat sales go to the 360 doesn't indicate anything concretely. My point, and a dozen other variables, need to be considered, and they can't be measured nor proven.
Another: Since shooters are likely the easiest pick-up-an-play genre, see CoD, would that not be considered to be "casual"?
And even now I'm thinking of more points, like how the exclusive list for 360 only has a small handful of top notch exclusives to say it's "hardcore"... And I've got even more ideas to bring up.
I don't know.... I'm sticking to my original response here. He definitely has nothing provable. I personally believe you can be hardcore with a wii or 360 as well! But not if you don't have a PS3.
Finally, I'm shocked no one else rolled their eyes at the "only used as a blu-ray player" part.
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 8:51:07 AM
lol
Basically, I think trying to say one systems gamer is more hardcore than the other for any reason is a silly argument to try to make. There's just nothing to base it on. And the evidence of multiplats selling more on one over the other is even more asinine. I'll explain:
The OP says more multiplats selling on 360 means that there are no hardcore PS3 fans. (He didn't even really say more hardcore prefer 360. He straight up said the hardcore want a Wii or 360. Multiplats don't sell well on Wii, by the way.)
But I could come up with other options. Some possibilities (none of which can be proven, by the way)
1) It means 360 fans have fewer AAA exclusives to choose from. (Proven even by IGN in their 3+ page breakdown that shows the PS3 being the winning platform in 3 of the last 4 years. They've only done this 4 times.)
2) It could mean that there is a rift between Japanese gamers and North American gamers. Clearly the Japanese are hardcore gamers. They take games with them everywhere they go. And on PSP's and DS'... not just phones. Many PS3's sell in Japan with next to no xbox's. That difference in culture affects overall sales in a BIG way! They have lots of games we don't have here, and they are huge fans of those games. Over there, all multiplats sell better on PS3. Over here, they sell better on 360. More PS3's there... more 360's here. Almost seems sort of 'duh' to me.
3) Perhaps consumers are concerned with the complex engineering in a PS3. Sure, PS3 has more potential, but doesn't that come with risk at the hands of a developer that isn't 100% comfortable with PS3? If I own both systems, I should probably go with the safer GPU set up in a 360. It might have less potential, but it might be more reliable.
You see... there are many more than even these 3 that could indicate why many multiplats sell better on 360. But NONE of them can be proven. My beef with the OP, is that his point is based on Subjectivity.... "XBOX and Wii gamers are more hardcore than PS3... PS3 owners only use it for blu-ray" .... There is nothing in there based on fact. It's strictly opinion and is based on the OP's preference.
My 3 examples all have some sort of fact tied to them. IGN has done a full breakdown... Japanese market is clearly different and system sales show that... the design of each system has their strengths and weaknesses... all facts not based in subjectivity.
YET, even THEY do not prove which system is more "hardcore". Which is why I think such a discussion over which is more "hardcore" is so silly. If I owned both 360 and PS3, I would choose the multiplat to be played on whichever it performs best on, and if it has multiplayer, whichever system I have more friends on.
What I find confusing is why no one in this thread has been able to ID the OP for what he is... a PS3 hater who came in here in an article wondering if the PS3 can beat the 360 or Wii and posted HIS FIRST POST EVER with clear propaganda -against- the PS3 founded in absolutely nothing. Come on fellas... he used the guise of tact to make it seem like he has an unbiased opinion, but the information in his post is asinine... PS3 owners aren't hardcore and only use their systems for bluray??? Come on guys.... surely you can see through such tomfoolery. That kind of nonsense shouldn't be encouraged for the sake of "respecting his opinion".
Opinion should be based on experience or fact. Clearly he has no real experience with a PS3, and clearly he has provided no facts that support his theory.
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Beamboom
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 9:15:38 AM
It was the best blu-ray player for a very long time. A really good deal for a HD player.
In fact, the blu-ray capability were one of the main reasons I chose the PS3 over the x360 back when I was about to buy my first console. The other main reason were the design of the PS3. I simply thought it looked better. The third important factor is that it was *not* Microsoft.
That's how hardcore I am. :)
@Excel: Noone seem to be able to come up with any other title that sold better on the ps! I've asked a few now. :)
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 9:41:36 AM
If you wander into a bunch of random homes in this country, you could easily find a Wii or a 360 hooked up in a house that absolutely does not contain any avid gamers. I've seen it a lot. On the other hand, it seems there is no casual gamer who runs out and buys a PS3. For whatever reason, it just doesn't seem to happen.
This doesn't mean hardcore gamers don't play the other machines, of course; it just means that if you take ten casual gamers and tell them to go buy a game machine, and ask the same of ten hardcore gamers, the results will be different. And I know in whose homes the PS3 will end up more often.
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 10:20:32 AM
Excelsior thinks only NA is important, though. He doesn't care about JP or your EU area.
I don't know what EU is like, but I know in Japan, PS3 sells far more multiplats than the 360.
If you want to be blind to overall reasoning, that's fine. But since blind reasoning is the only way to resonate with you fellas, I'll do the same thing:
Japan sells more multiplats on PS3... and since they are the longest running kings of console gaming, that's the only region that matters. Afterall, they have the most history with console and handheld gaming.
Seriously, though... again... I'm sick of you guys using evidence that can proclaim nothing as a means to make your proclamations! not that Beamboom cares... he just likes to be abrasive. I'm convinced he isn't dumb and is intelligent. He just likes to argue alternative points of view. Which is frustrating, because you never know what he really thinks, and he often comes across as incapable of sound reasoning... which is further more frustrating because he isn't incapable.
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Beamboom
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 11:08:11 AM
And I don't even understand why I upset you: Am I in your eyes arguing against the PS3 here? Cause I don't mean to do so at all. To me it's just interesting to find the differences between the two platforms, from a completely objective perspective. Even if there are differences, it doesn't have to mean one is better?
And when was sales numbers any measurement of quality anyway...? I think it's rather cool that the PS3 is not the most sold console. I don't have a problem with that at all.
And quite frankly this entire discussion of what console the "hardcore gamers prefer" is really quite silly, isn't it? At least I take this whole topic very light-hearted. Obviously there are both causal and hardcore gamers on both. I mean, c'mon.
I'd still love to hear from someone if they know of a title that sold better on the ps3, relatively speaking (market share taken into account)!
(And this was all written with no irony or hidden intention of insulting or provoking anyone or anything. Really!)
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 11:56:08 AM
well, yeah, that's actually my whole entire point that such a discussion is silly. The entirety of my points is only trying to prove that "xbox sells more multiplats : therefore : xbox players are more hardcore" is silly.
As for you, somtimes I feel that if me, Ben, or Highlander said, "360 is better technology than the Atari" or "The sun produces warmth" or "2 plus 2 equals 4" you would find a way to disagree with us, perhaps not directly, but try to give a different way of thinking about it. I just don't feel like you always say what you ACTUALLY think. I do like you; it just seems like you prefer debate over sharing your honest thoughts.
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Beamboom
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 1:01:40 PM
Still, I wanna play too! So I'm that kid who sit in a corner counting my fingers, trying to figure out some numbers and stuff. Raising my voice when given the chance. Not getting wiser at all though. Still, I'm here. :)
Oh, and PS rulez and x360 is casual and stuff. Pwnd, n00bz.
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 1:05:04 PM
but you need to know....
My dad can TOTALLY beat up your dad.
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Fane1024
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 12:48:17 AM
When I checked, more of the top 50 multiplatform games sold better on PS3 than 360 than vice versa. Well over half sold roughly as well or better on PS3, despite the greater number of 360s sold. The ones which did sell better on 360--mostly Activision games (COD and GH), plus the first few Maddens--often sold *much* better, but nearly every game from a Japanese publisher and many from EA and Ubisoft did *at least* slightly better on PS3.
EA long ago stated that they make more money from sales on PS3.
The impression that multiplats sell better on 360 is entirely based on reading NPD (and UK) numbers, since other sales numbers are not as frequently reported here.
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Qubex
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 10:59:59 PM
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I think though, in the end, the PS3 is likely to pip the 360 in overall sales.
We will know later on in the PS3's life cycle, but if current trends continue, and you are a betting man, well, you may already have your answer and have won your bet.
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Highlander
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 11:05:11 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 11:20:07 PM
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Highlander
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 3:41:08 AM
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Marckon
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 12:43:16 AM
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I really doubt they can take over the Wii, but they should and can make the case that they are the more prepared and serious about gaming in the coming generation.
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Highlander
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 3:45:03 AM
PS3 cost a ton to develop. Some of that development money was BluRay related. The money came from the profits of the PS2. But with the high cost of the early units, there is a lot of red ink around too. However I think it has a better chance of returning it's costs since Sony has a huge list of first party studios who's revenue is based exclusively on the PS3.
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Highlander
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 3:00:36 PM
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bentl78
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 12:52:07 AM
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price.. look at the numbers for xbox during black friday and december.
its all those.. 199 machines -50 dollar gift cards.
If Ps3 can offer that price. i am sure it will fly off shelves faster, but.. it seems the gap in the US is widening in favor of xbox.
Fortunately, the rest of the world are making the better decision and see the value and choose the better system :P
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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 11:35:27 AM
Alot of loyal Microsoft people and u know what their thinking is.
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 3:04:42 PM
Which isn't really a joke, as it's actually true. It's really made in China.
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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 4:11:42 PM
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Jed
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 1:09:54 AM
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After reading that the PS2 sold a half a million consoles this last holiday season, I don't think there is any doubt that the PS3 will overtake both consoles at sometime. The only question is when?
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 6:49:06 AM
PS3 will continue to be pushed and supported by Sony for at least 5 more years from now. PS2 sold40+ million more after the PS3 came out. In terms on long term sales, I believe it's not difficult for the PS3 to, at the end of the day, outsell the 360.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 9:24:23 AM
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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 11:42:30 AM
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Godslim
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 7:15:53 AM
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Ignitus
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 7:19:06 AM
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Underdog15
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Aura7541
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 11:51:38 AM
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As for overtaking the Wii, I think it's possible, but it will take quite a long time.
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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 5:13:33 PM
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If you look at the PS2, it's now an utterly amazing 11 years in already & Sony is still supporting & selling it.
Now if you look at the original Xbox, M$ stopped supporting it within 12-18 months after they brought out the 360.
So once both company's bring out their nex-gen, I expect M$ to drop support for the 360 within the same time frame, while Sony will no doubt continues to support the PS3 as long as people will buy it, and buy it they will.
Also, look at GameStop, they're still taking in & selling PS2 consoles & games, both new & used
Hell, GameStop's still selling old Gamecube games even now.
But there's not 1 original Xbox game to be found at any GS(at least not the 15 stores in my 50 mile area). And GS stopped their own new & used games support for the old Xbox about a year after M$ did.
As far as all the numbers go, M$ counts shipped & Sony counts sold.
And although I can't prove what I'm about to say, I believe it's true, that M$ is also counting as sold, all those RROD replacements, along with the multitude of contests(such as Burger King's huge 360 contest), at giveaways(such as Jimmy Fallon, Oprah, & the Ellen DeGeneres shows, also both of The Boys & Girls Clubs of America, etc) & at different Kinect launch party's(such as that Times Square launch party).
If you were able to get the numbers of all those freebies I listed above & then minus them from the numbers that M$ likes to throw out, I'm sure the PS3 has actually surpassed MS a while ago.
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Highlander
Friday, January 13, 2012 @ 12:51:09 PM
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Robochic
Friday, January 13, 2012 @ 2:12:15 PM
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Xbox 360= They'll do exactly what they did last time stop making 360 games and force gamers and even parents into a new console while not supporting the 360 anymore, i remember those calls i hated them.
Honestly i really belive Sony is the only company that do give a sh** about the gamers and what they want and look forward to i love that i can still play PS2 games, i'm happy i can buy accessories as well for the ps2. 11 years of supporting an amazing console and they'll do the same damn thing with the PS3.
End of story move on....
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PHOENIXZERO
Sunday, January 15, 2012 @ 8:15:26 PM
The PS3 will certainly surpass the XB360 but making it down to $100? That's at least three price drops away and a very long ways off, at least four years (if ever) or longer and by that point development will have seriously dried up to likely next to nothing as most people will have moved on to the next generation. I think that at least in part, what route Sony decides to go with their hardware architecture will decide how quickly the PS3 really dies in major markets.
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ZenChichiri
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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 9:40:29 PM