Microsoft Admits Sony Did A "Great Job" With HD Remakes
Shadow of the ColossusIt's no secret that high-definition remakes for the PlayStation 3 have turned out well. Shadow of the Colossus is only one example of a PS2 classic receiving an HD overhaul (it was bundled with the HD version of ICO), and the selection has grown considerably.
And you know, even Microsoft has to admit that Sony has done a good job "selling those games again." After all, that's what they're doing, right? They're taking existing games - existing old games - and turning them into new titles with fresh glossy veneers. Microsoft hasn't followed suit (although some will argue that it's simply because the 360 isn't a true HD machine), even if Halo fans wanted touched-up entries. Microsoft Studios corporate vice president Phil Spencer told Game Informer (as reported at GameZone):
"Sony's done a great job with looking at their back catalogue and selling those games again."
It isn't often you hear Microsoft paying Sony any sort of compliment, so we figured this was newsworthy and in a way, special. It's actually one element of this generation that often goes overlooked: the high-def remakes of PS2 classics for the PS3. We keep hoping for certain PS1 classics to receive the same treatment, but various developers have explained why this would be extremely difficult. So...no FFVII. Duh.
Tags: microsoft, sony, hd remakes, high definition remakes
1/24/2012 9:43:02 AM Ben Dutka
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Comments (107 posts)
Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:50:52 AM
I think both companies have done some things right this gen. Sony deserves praise for their software and MS deserves praise for starting this online craze on the consoles with XBOX LIVE. No doubt online play has propelled the gaming industry to unseen heights this gen. LIVE has been a big part of that.
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phudge_supreemz
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:22:29 AM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:09:19 PM
Since most people don't actually read articles, most people see that they compliment Sony, but can't do a Halo remake. lol
Definitely a Microsoft misstep.
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big6
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:22:43 AM
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I expect no less from their future HD remakes.
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:29:58 AM
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The 360 is capable of the same resolutions as the PS3 as far as I know but maybe I'm technically wrong in some way. Now, I have heard the argument that this is not a true HD gaming generation before in regards to both the PS3 and 360. It's usually an argument I have heard from PC elitist but I have never heard the 360 singled out.
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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:47:41 AM
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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:02:41 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:04:21 AM
Some can't tell a big difference between DVD hooked up with HDMI and Blu-Ray, but the difference is there. The 360 can play digital stuff in HD because it doesn't rely on the sub-HD DVD format, but that's it.
But quick Excelsior, find some other way to disparage the PS3. Can't go a week without doing it, so you know...don't stop now. 'rolling eyes'
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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:09:19 AM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:09:33 AM
I was asking an honest question. No need to be such a smart a$$. Notice how the other posters responded in a smart way and mature way without being snide and abrasive. Grow up. Roll eyes...
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Sogi_Otsa
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:10:54 AM
i may be wrong but i have heard and seen that the base resolution is often 576p. including FF13 on 360, and video is enlarged losing quality even through HDMI.
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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:12:13 AM
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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:12:32 AM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:23:34 AM
Quick, Ben!! Find a way to get one of your snide digs again!!! Rolls eyes again.
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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:55:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakQpMSKP7I&feature=relmfu
What he did(for test 2) was create a .jpeg image file of a 1920x1080 checkerboard with each pixel being black and then white accordingly, so it's one white pixel followed by one black pixel followed by one white pixel.
Now if the system can display true full hd it would display the image as is, one black, one white, etc.
The conditions he used in the test were standard, all the same, HDMI cables, same tv.
For the test he used a black xbox 360 elite and a phat ps3.
Now the ps3 showed the checkerboard as is, one pixel white, followed by one pixel black, followed by one pixel white, all over the 1920x1080 display.
When he showed the xbox 360 displaying the file it wasn't an image displaying pixels alternating black and white, it was four white pixels, surrounded on each side by grey pixels, leading to black pixels next to the grey pixels.
The conclusion which one can draw out of this test is that the xbox 360 cannot display a true full hd image, meaning the claims of native 1080p are actually upscaled images, close to full hd, but still, no cake :P
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Hynad
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 12:38:49 PM
The 360 is capable of the same in-game resolution as the PS3.
One would remember that games on PC are still being printed on DVDs, and the end results are games running at higher resolution than on the HD consoles... ¬_¬
So there you have it. 360's DVDs are capable of handling games at a resolution as high as the PS3s. And in fact, most multi-platform games are running at higher resolution on the PS3, sadly.
Fifa Street 3 and Sacred 2 Fallen Angel are 2 games on the 360 that disprove your belief.
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Dustinwp
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:05:36 PM
Except the PC doesn't read directly from the disc like the Xbox360 does. The files are on the DVD disc, then unpacked and installed to the PC's HDD. I believe the files are compressed on the DVD disc and uncompressed by the PC during installation. The Xbox360 wouldn't have this luxury because of lack of HDD in some Xbox models.
I'm by no means an expert on the subject. But this is how I understand the process to be different from Xbox consoles and PCs.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:54:46 PM
DVD is not high-definition. If you're using a DVD, you're not viewing high-definition. Period.
Excelsior: Still waiting on the day when ANYTHING positive about the PS3 comes out of your mouth.
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 3:48:44 PM
I'm sorry Ben, but I must correct you here. What you're saying would apply to movies.
It being true HD or not has nothing to do with the storage in which the data is stored in.
What you're suggesting implies that digital versions of retail games are also not true HD.
HD is about resolution. The storage in which everything is stored in takes no part in the actual execution of a game. When you're playing the game, everything is loaded into memory and that's where the magic happens.
Blu-Ray is clearly superior to DVDs in storage capacity and transfer speed, but that's it.
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:39:04 PM
As Sogi_Otsa elaborated, although DVD-9 is HD capable, due to it's capacity (8.54 GB, and only 6.5 if we subtract data required for copy-right protection encryption code), texture and sound/music data often has to be compressed, resulting in loss of data.
Moreover, regardless of the storage media, as FullmetalX10 mentioned, the 360 upscales images, so even a true 1080p signal will get distorted as he proved with the footage of the 1080p tile image.
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:46:49 PM
Compression resulting in loss of data is a consequence of storage capacity. You could still spread everything out on multiple discs (as it happens) and still get everything equally detailed on the platform, without loss of data.
My argument never said that compression does not happen, I was merely stating that it does not happen because "DVDs can't take it". It just happens because developers would rather keep everything neatly packed in a single disc.
The physical storage used has no impact whatsoever in the final quality of the product because it simply serves as a container of digital data.
Finally, I was addressing Ben's comments regarding Blu-Ray vs. DVD. Whether the 360 upscales or not has nothing to do with it.
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:19:45 PM
But, yes, as FullmetalX10 mentioned, if we ignore capacity and compression issues of storage media, even then, the upscaling chip distorts 1080p signal like the 1080p tile image sample.
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:33:01 PM
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about physically storing the data. You seem to be talking about the 360's power to actually render that data.
It does not matter whether it's Blu-Ray or DVD, you can put everything you put into a Blu-Ray in multiple DVDs. Without compression. That's what I'm saying.
They merely serve as digital containers..
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:44:14 PM
It is not false.
The reason why you install data to the hard drive is to increase loading speed. That's what loading screens are for, to load large chunks of data from the hard drive to memory.
I can assure you that everything a game immediately works with is located in memory. You never work with the Hard Drive directly, even less with the Blu-Ray disc (which is slower than a HDD). There are algorithms that work with caching, pipelining and several layers of virtual memory to ensure that everything is loaded almost flawlessly.
EDIT: A shame you deleted your comment.
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:49:41 PM
I agree with you that DVD-9 isn't an absolute deal breaker. For example, in some cases, it actually is a benefit, as it has a higher disc read speed than Bluray reader in the ps3.
But to give you an idea why it hurts more than it helps, is let say, you spread a game over 3 discs or more, like in FFxiii. This still is an issue, because in order to have an open world, or a large one, it must redundantly run off each disc, or be installed, or require disc swapping every time you wish to navigate to an area not on the current disc. This leaves even less room for data. In other word, 12 GB split over 3 discs won't equal 4GB each. It may equal 5GB, 6GB, or even more.
In the case of installing game data entirely to an HD, which eliminates the overhead of disc storage media with exception of installation time, data must be decompressed. So these final digital files end up losing data.
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:55:29 PM
Consoles must run data off one of two places Disc Drive or Hard Drive. With 256MB to 512MB of Graphics and System RAM, no console runs a game entirely off of memory, when games are in the size of GB's.
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 6:07:40 PM
You seem to believe that data burned to a DVD must be compressed. That is not true.
At a "binary level", those files stay digitally intact. There doesn't have to be any type of data loss. Yes, it's a pain having it spread over multiple discs, but that is not my point. My point is that it is possible without compression.
Obviously, installing to the HDD will increase loading speeds and make it less of a pain.
And yes, data must be stored in some other, slower, media. It is called persistent media, rather than volatile media. I obviously am not saying that the whole game must be loaded into memory, either.
But games do not run off of this media. It is too slow for that.
As I mentioned in my post, there are techniques that ensure that the required data is always loaded into memory (from this slower media) when it's needed. I would advise you to read it again.
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Temjin001
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 7:55:00 PM
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:21:43 PM
All console games run off persistent media (disc or hard drive) streamed into RAM. This much we agree on. So there are two potential bottlenecks: reading from persistent Media to RAM, and reading from RAM. Furthermore, due to 360 sku's not having hdd (hard drive disc) as a requirement, this is yet another bottleneck.
While it is certainly true not all games require data compression, you'd be surprised how many do. Dead Space 1 & 2 for example, required data compression, and therefore, while the ps3 version offered 7.1 Dolby surround sound, the 360 version didn't.
While this doesn't say much about HD versus non HD debate, I suggest you play Uncharted 3 and Gears 3. Just check out the difference in quality of the FMV. There's a world of a difference. The reason is the Gears 3 cutscenes are compressed data, and so even though the signal maybe 720p or even upscaled at 1080p, it is clearly low res. And if you wish to see a proper multiplatform comparison, check out the aforementioned titles FFxiii, or Castelvania Lords of Shadow.
My point is that while having DVD-9 is certainly not a deal breaker for supporting HD signal, it definitely is bottleneck, especially when one considers the limit on the number of discs (2 or 3) when they become cost prohibitive owing to MS fees on the publisher, and the complexity of spreading data for redundancy across multiple discs, whether that data is compressed or not.
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wolfsinner
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:07:11 PM
They do not "run off persistent media". Their data is stored in persistent media. There is a big difference. The game data stored in a HDD or disc is worthless. It does nothing until it is loaded into memory.
That's the only real difference in performance between a DVD and a Blu-Ray.. How fast it transfers data to virtual memory.
The bottlenecks you are talking about (which are present in every computing system) have complex optimizations which I previously lightly mentioned and you apparently seem to ignore. You can trust me, it is what I do for a living.
But seriously, why even mention that? It has nothing to do in particular to DVDs..
The fact that HDDs aren't a requirement for the 360 is indeed limiting, but it is still not pertinent to my original discussion. The same goes for the rest of your post.
I'm not even sure if you know what my original argument was.
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firesoul453
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:47:03 PM
fact is 360 is an HD machine in every definition but ps3 is better at it in every way I can think of
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Shams
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 4:59:43 AM
My last paragraph summarized my point. DVD-9 is a bottleneck in HD console gaming (Not so much in PC gaming, as game data is entirely installed to HDD). This is why even Nintendo will offer bluray next gen, and very likely MS will (or come out with another proprietary HD disc format with larger capacity than DVD-9).
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Shams
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 5:08:48 AM
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wolfsinner
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 6:15:21 AM
My original point was that Blu-Ray does not determine whether something is HD or not. It is simply a data container and, like Blu-Ray, DVDs require no compression whatsoever.
And well, it seems like there's no point in continuing with this argument. You seem to be pretty stubborn while you seem to lack the knowledge to actually argue over technical things.
Have fun buddy.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:16:32 PM
HD is not defined exclusively by the resolution output.
How many games are made and compressed to a 720p or even lower 400-something p only to be rescaled and unpacked by the system's computing power to be scaled up to 720 or 1080?
Just because it is scaled up to 720 or 1080 doesn't make it HD. What about frame rate? What about the Hz? There is so much to be considered beyond the resolution.
DVD's cannot produce true HD. They can store compressed data that can be rescaled, but it cannot produce pure, unadulterated HD. That one singular hardware component makes it impossible. Technically, downloadable titles could produce HD quality on XBOX360, but how many can do that?!?!
The article isn't 100% correct in that downloadable titles could technically be true HD, but it isn't very wrong either.
The biggest problem, of course, is that the objective definitions of HD are full of grey areas. But it cannot be argued at ALL that the PS3 is far more capable of HD than the 360. By that, I mean, the PS3 has far more opportunity to provide a better HD experience. 360 has to crimp and compress and unpackage, etc. etc. It's actually pretty sloppy.
Imagine... if they had just accepted BluRay....
@Wolfsinner
Unfortunately, there is some truth to what others say. It's true a DVD could potentially offer an HD experience... but it would have to be very short and non-diverse to house it all. Nearly all 360 games contain 1080 or 720p games compressed to the 720 or 400-something resolution to be stretched back out later on. It works, for the most part, but it limits the ability for detail.
A poorly detailed game in 1080p, for example, doesn't necessarily mean an HD experience. The processing speed required to unpack and re-imagine the 1080p quality, reduces the processing power that could be spent in other places. As a result, although technically the 360 can do "HD" (a grey area), it cannot have the same potential as the PS3... not without superior specs.
The lack of an blu-ray drive definitely limits the 360's capabilities. It acts as a sort of funnel that sort of means... you can only go as fast as your slowest (most narrow) point.
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wolfsinner
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 3:40:22 PM
HD is defined exclusively by the resolution output. Period.
What makes something HD is the number of outputted vertical lines.
Whether software uses techniques to upscale resolution to a "HD one" has no weight whatsoever in its actual definition. Obviously, upscaled video should not be considered HD because in its raw form it is (usually) 480p, which would fall under the SD category.
In HD there are also scanning techniques to be taken into account, but these are resolution-independent and are implemented in hardware. Same goes for the Hz (fps).
And about the DVD story, I won't be repeating myself again, but you're wrong in most of what you said.
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Hynad
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 7:12:38 PM
After all, even GT5 relies on pixelated (as in: sub HD) shadows and other alpha effects... *rolleyes*
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Temjin001
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 7:34:04 PM
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wolfsinner
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 9:36:33 PM
Correct if we're talking about 720p.
The 360 can not produce native 1080p video. All it can do is upscale from native 720p to 1080p.
The PS3 can, in fact, produce native 1080p.
@Temjin001
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but..
As a part of my Master's scholarship, I teach CS.
I'm used to talking like an instruction manual. :P
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Hynad
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 11:27:52 PM
I know about videos.
In game though, there are games (on disc) that are native 1080p on the 360. I mentioned Fifa Street 3 and Sacred 2 Fallen Angel already.
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wolfsinner
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 11:35:03 PM
They are not native 1080p. It is not possible with the 360.
They are upscaled to 1080p.
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Hynad
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 12:15:27 AM
Well, sources say you are wrong.
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Hynad
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 12:15:36 AM
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Temjin001
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 12:49:10 AM
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Gamer_Josh
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 8:35:40 AM
I know exactly what you mean. I've run across people who don't really understand HD(visuals) and that it's referring to resolution, and has nothing to do with the media data is stored on. They just can't get it.
If it was configured to work in such a way, the same exact HD footage(and sound) could be played on a PS3 from a DVD as it does a Blu-Ray disc, and look identical. The only problem is, you wouldn't be able to fit a whole movie on the DVD, just not enough space.
It's the same with games, those are both just storage media. With Blu-Ray being the larger in capacity. The actual resolution the console puts out is a result of the console and data, not the storage media. Though how much you can fit on that media depends the capacity of that media. That's where Blu-Ray currently wins.
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wolfsinner
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 4:06:40 PM
Please point me to credible and non-biased sources that contradict my statement. I'm sure you'll find none.
I will also gladly explain to you why it is so, but not through here. We've gone too off-topic.
@Temjin
I see. :)
@Gamer_Josh
Good post. That is indeed what I mean.
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:51:35 AM
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Let me rephrase my question. Aren't both the 360 and PS3 capable of the same resolutions as gaming machines? No, I'm not trying to "disparage" the PS3 by asking that. I honestly don't know the answer in technical terms in regards to gaming. I was always told both machines were capable of the same resolutions when it comes to games but I admit I might be wrong in a technical way I'm unaware of. Now. I'm strictly speaking of both devices as gaming machines which is their primary purpose. I'm not talking about them as movie players.
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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:56:59 AM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 12:02:50 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 3:01:18 PM
Stop pouting and stop sending me emails. I really don't give a sh** what you do; I've got several hundred posts of yours bashing the PS3 and Sony (most all sales-related) and never once - not ONCE - have you posted anything remotely positive about either the company or the machine.
If you'd like to explain how that's objective in any way, shape or form, fine. Otherwise, don't talk to me.
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:29:06 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 6:48:20 PM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 7:59:34 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 9:22:07 PM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:28:27 PM
Resolution is not the only measurable of what constitutes "HD".
Atelier Totori is 1080p... don't tell me that game performs the same way visually as Uncharted 3. Even if a DVD devotes space to 1080p output, it means sacrifices must be made elsewhere. The storage on a DVD simply does not allow for 1080p, high detail, complex programming, and more all at the same time. Even if every other stat of the 360 matched the PS3 (which it does, more or less, although it could be argued the engineering of those stats is better in one or the other), it is hampered by the DVD drive. More often than not, the high resolution values are compressed and extracted on the other end. It allows for high resolution, but the computing power used to do that is wasted. While it can do the same things the PS3 can do, it simply cannot do as much of them at the same time as the PS3.
For that reason, it's not entirely inaccurate to say it's not a true HD console, because it can't do everything that is categorized as "HD" all at once. Sound is another aspect of "HD" experience that never gets talked about. But I won't get into that.
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Excelsior1
Friday, January 27, 2012 @ 12:45:58 PM
That is the extent of my bashing on a supposed non fan site. Big time difference between being critical and "bashing". All those things did happen so it should be an issue on a non fansite anyways. I did not know it was requirment to say great things about Sony and the PS3 all the time. I just flat out refuse to change the way I post. Ben thinks I'm a Sony hater. He's flat wrong about that and they guy can be pretty damn mean and defensive of Sony on this non fansite. What a joke. Somebody could use some midol or something.
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kraygen
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 12:52:25 PM
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True HD requires uncompressed information, compressed files that are opened as needed require a subHD signal that can be enhanced to appear HD.
Blu-ray provides the required space so that when you receive your game, all the data can be put on the disk in uncompressed format.
Dvd's do not have enough room to do this, so a game on dvd comes with all the information compressed and your game console essentially unpacks the files as it needs them. This is why an install will improve game performance.
As for computer games being HD and being printed on dvd, this is because when you install a computer game, the dvd has all compressed files and your computer unpacks them and installs them uncompressed onto your hard drive.
It's not about movies, it's simply about compressed data. This is why downloaded games are able to be HD, because you're installing the entire game onto your hard drive and it can be done uncompressed.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:30:44 PM
Since "HD" has so many grey areas, (Is your tv a 60hz, 120hz, 240hz, or 600hz? for example) it may be more accurate to say PS3 is capable of a better HD experience. The idea of "True" HD is subjective, depending on your standards, and for that reason, the article is correct in what they say because it's an opinion that can be supported.
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Geobaldi
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:00:35 PM
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Karosso
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:30:00 PM
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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:05:36 PM
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As far as the whole "not an HD console", I disagree. Obviously you can't watch Blu-ray discs on the 360, but the games are projected via an HDMI cable (assuming you have the new 360 model) and they look as good as what my PS3 does.
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Jawknee
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:24:34 PM
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Hynad
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:28:11 PM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:50:17 PM
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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:30:09 PM
But I won't roll my eyes !
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Jawknee
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:30:19 PM
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:09:24 PM
The only sub HD PS3 exclusives I know are Resistance 2 and Resistance 3 and MGS4. All others like the Uncharted 1-3, Killzone 2 and 3, R&C's (FTOL, QFB, ACIT, and All 4 One), LBP 1 & 2, Warhawk, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1 and InFamous 2, GOW3, Heavy Rain, Heavenly Sword are natively ran at 720p. They're even a few that run at 1080p variably like Wipeout HD/Fury, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1 and 2, and GT5.
So, that's 23 HD exclusives, and 3 sub HD exclusives. Three is not "many", and certainly not "most".
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aaronisbla
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 7:12:05 PM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:33:30 PM
Feel free to debate the 360's status of being "true HD". But saying the PS3 is just as bad.... well.... that's just grasping at straws...
And friend.... they are all short.
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gumbi
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:23:02 PM
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For those of you who haven't picked up SotC HD yet; go do whatever you need to do to make $40 today, and buy it. It's worth it.
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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:55:39 PM
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frylock25
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:32:36 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:33:09 PM
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maxpontiac
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:51:49 PM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:08:01 PM
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aaronisbla
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 7:14:22 PM
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FlyingKickPunch
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 11:47:56 PM
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Temjin001
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:23:29 AM
Yeah, LO is good, how far r u Excelsior? I just destroyed the bald idiot's tank who wears white spandex pants. I just learned composite magic.
It would seem MS is choosing to leave that IP alone, though.
I miss the MS of last gen. The hardcore gamer emphasis they once had. Now it's KINECT this and sign up for Gold for $1 that (it's not a buck it's cheese on a trap... then SNAP!)
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:35:40 PM
It's only good because there hasn't been anything better within the genre, and is therefore, only great by comparison.
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Temjin001
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 4:33:49 PM
So while I have no doubt it's recognition would be lesser today if it didn't stand by itself as a faithful reproduction of the genre it's representing, I do think it's an experience deserving of anyone's time who has a fondness for the genre and specificity of it's offerings.
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Oyashiro
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 1:53:14 PM
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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 2:13:05 PM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:37:37 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but I don't need or want anything like that. The less attention on me the better. I'm just here to interact with PSXE's great community.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 1:38:55 PM
Geeze, I'm glad Excelsior had enough sense to shut that down.
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PMartinNL
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 4:26:19 PM
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Although XBOX 360 games are on a dual layer dvd disc, it is still possible for 1080p. It is completely immature or completely uninformative to even say that the 360 is not true HD.
Just compare games like NHL, FIFA, NBA, and other multi plat games, there is little to no difference between both the PS3 and xbox 360. Too childish and comments like this is a very fan boyish thing to say.
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Underdog15
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 3:12:43 PM
A subjective argument like "True" HD still has merit in the context of native resolutions. THAT is something XBOX has yet to deliver on.
And finally, a multiplat is not grounds for your point. If I play the original Duke Nukem on my high end gaming rig, it's still going to look like the shitty original Duke Nukem.
Come back when you show me the same number of XBOX exclusives that boast a NATIVE resolution of 720p or higher to the PS3's exclusives.
I'll give you a hint....
PS3 is ahead in that count by over 20.
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Hynad
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 7:03:33 PM
What you tried to claim earlier is completely destroyed when you take into account the data bandwidth differences between both console (i.e. mostly the same).
The PS3 struggles just the same as the 360, making it unrealistic to expect 1080p graphics this gen by either consoles.
Seriously, the amount of people here grasping at straws (to take your own words)to make the PS3 appear like it's a gen in front of the 360 is through the roof.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 10:05:34 PM
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Hynad
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 1:19:22 AM
The PS3 is still my favorite console, I don't even have a 360 anymore as it bore me to death. But you won,t see me claim things that just aren't true just to please the overly biased crowd here.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 5:23:41 PM
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I'm seeing a bit of war here and the article is Microsoft praising Sony.
Seriously?
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gumbi
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 8:25:52 PM
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tes37
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 6:11:53 PM
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Microsoft should take note of the great job Sony is doing with new releases too.
The 360 is not an HD machine. Ben is absolutely correct regardless of movie playing capabilities.
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Robochic
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 6:55:34 PM
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Temjin001
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 7:49:25 PM
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"I [don't] want to get into a world where people felt like I was just trying to sell them things that they've already played."
Yeah, that admition of doing a great job is received with a comment to undermine the purpose of doing it.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 9:09:36 PM
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Temjin001
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 9:15:13 PM
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Shams
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:53:40 PM
But I do feel it is a good counter to Phil Spencer's sarcasm. There certainly are classics worth remaking, and worth replaying.
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___________
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 3:34:08 AM
they look decent, but my socks were blown off when i played the halo anniversary!
oh and to answer the question phill does not count halo because it was in celebration of halos anniversary.
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___________
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 3:29:17 AM
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rest of it was "However, I don't want to get into a world where people felt like I was just trying to sell them things that they’ve already played.”
one thing hes forgetting though, THATS WHAT THE FANS WANT!
he thinks were going to get the sh*ts because there reselling us the same game, but its not really the same game because its upgraded in HD and trophies and such.
im much more excited for the DMC HD collection then DMC ninja theory are working on!
ill take a HD remake of old classic games, then new iterations to that series any day of the week!
tis why i was so excited when i heard vice city and GTA3 might be getting the same treatment.
f*ck GTAV, give me the HD remakes over that any day of the week!
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Kevin555
Wednesday, January 25, 2012 @ 5:50:43 AM
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If they think HD remakes are a great idea, then start HD'ing up some of their old Xbox titles. Hell, i'd play a souped up Halo 2 or DOA Ultimate again if i had the chance.
SONY know they're doing well with these HD remakes, they don't need motherly compliments from a rival that is slowly going down the crapper with it's new disease known as Kinect.
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xnonsuchx
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 3:45:26 AM
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Anyway, since there's only a few native 1080p games on both system, it could be argued that neither is true HD if you really feel like nit-picking about 95-98% of games not able to use it at an acceptable performance.
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DjStiv3
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 3:10:08 PM
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"selling those games again"?? are you implying thers not enough to choose from otherwise?
wow i feel like throwing my 360 into a lake
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Palpatations911
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 5:34:59 PM
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Every decent game on both platforms is rendered at no higher than 720P. Mass Effect 2, for example, is rendered at 720P on both platforms. The only time you generally see either of the two systems in 1080P is when you're at the dashboard or watching a movie.
Just because the xbox 360 can't read a large capacity media such as Blu-Ray, doesn't mean it can't display the video. How else would services such as Vudu be able to stream a movie to the xbox 360 in full HD, 1080P, with no difference in quality from the Playstation 3 if the Xbox 360 isn't a "True HD Machine"?
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CrusaderForever
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Tuesday, January 24, 2012 @ 10:22:06 AM