Why Americans Should Appreciate Assassin's Creed III

Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 9:45:52 PM
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Although I never played any of the AC games, I'm getting quite intrigued by this one. Just might give it a shot.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 9:48:26 PM
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"Too many people in this country are clueless about the history of the United States."

Amen Ben. Amen.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:23:56 PM

I watched this HBO special on American history with Robert Wuhl aptly named Assume the Position 101 with Mr. Wuhl. That made it seem that a lot of the history was made up. With the slogan "the stories that made America and the stories that America made up." or something like that. It was entertaining but i wouldn't know how much of it is true.

In the end he does give a very insightful story of how giving the middle finger came to be.

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Beamboom
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 5:35:11 AM

Well, too many of the people in your country are clueless about the history of the world OUTSIDE your borders too. :D

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:34:17 AM

It's true. Can you believe some Americans think the second world war started in 1942 just because of Pearl Harbor??

The number of times I've heard that is appalling. Both Canada and the US used to be educational juggernauts. Now we're both mixed in somewhere in the top 20... and in the double digits I'm pretty sure. And our obesity rates are in the top 5.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:16:48 AM

The America bashing is getting old fellas. Give it a rest.

And we don't think that's when the war started Underdog. That's when America got involved.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:23:01 AM

Where's the bashing Jawk? I know I didn't bash America here. Just because we don't think it's the be-all-end-all doesn't mean we bash it.

I'm pretty sure my post lumped the US and Canada together in the same boat, did I not?

Educated Americans know full well WW2 started in 1937. My comment was on the educational systems in general. As for Beamboom's comment, he has a point. Some people are disinterested in US history and don't know much about it. So what? How much do you know about the histories of our countries? I know I know nothing about Norway, for example. I'm sure you, Jawk, know nothing about Canada or Norway. I also know the names of every state. Can you name our 13 provinces and territories? Probably not, and I don't hold that against you either. Why would you need to know?

No one's bashing, here, dude. We just aren't on the American band-wagon. So what? I don't expect you to be on the Canadian band wagon. Everyone SHOULD be proud of where they come from. It's sad that some people want to leave their country. We should be happy we all like our own homelands best. That's the way the world SHOULD be.

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maxpontiac
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:23:28 AM

Beamboom - Not sure if that comment of yours was intended to be smug or not, but in any case, I agree with you.

No matter where you go in the world, people as whole don't have a clue.

Underdog - If you want to get technical, WW2 did start for the US with Peal Harbor. Sure, the US was involved with aid to Europe at the time, but up until that point, the US was not formally involved until there was a Declaration of War.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:31:26 AM

No one said you have to be on our bandwagon but between this thread and the previous, you and beam have posted some insulting and arrogant posts. Funny we Americans are always accused of arrogance and thinking were better than everyone else yet it's mostly European and Candadians, especially ony this site who seem to make most of the snide and arrogant comments about Americans. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:50:18 AM

@Jawk
Yeahhh... you're definitely reading far too deeply into things.

Go back and read everything I've written. More than 3 or 4 times I talked about how the American Revolution is a neat time with it's own cool quirks... about how my only issue is my own disinterest but mainly the lack of gameplay abilities I foresee.

I've said many times how much I respect the US and value friendship. I've acknowledged the power of the US army. I've acknowledged how important it is to have a strong military leader that stands up for human rights. I've said it's sad some countries have people that not only want to leave, but NEED to leave. I've said we should all love our own countries.

Anything bad about the US I've said was about NA culture in general, and I often tied in Canada as part of the issue.

All I said was that I was disinterested in an American setting because I feel 90% of our media focuses on the US. And then I defended myself in the face of blacklisting from you and Max all because I didn't feel the US setting was the best one to go with. And I clearly stated it had everything to do with NOTHING other than the fact I have absolutely no ancestral or political ties with the US. I clearly stated why I thought Europe would be better (Because of the fact we all have a tie with it one way or another).

Even when I talked about "american attitude" i said that I know it isn't true, and that you know it isn't true and Max knows it isn't true, but HERE'S why so many people think that. It's the same reason why people think ALL religion is bad. It's because the asshats out there are the ones with the loud obnoxious voices, and so, they are the ones people form their opinions around.

I was upset with Max for getting mad at me for not being interest in American history. That is all.

Not ONCE did I ever bash the US. If anything, I defended the US MORE OFTEN than say anything critical. And 90% of the time I said anything bad, I tied in Canada as being a part of that same culture.

So don't point your finger at me. Stop latching onto the one or two things I might have said the irked you, and realize the holistic point of view I have. Maybe then you'd realize the respect I have for people at this site (most of the folks I get along with are American! How often do me and Beamboom disagree? Like... every day! lol!) Maybe you'd think about why I am apart of a community that is dominated by Americans. It's because I enjoy myself here and the people here.

Seriously... who cares if I think there are more interesting things than the US Revolution? Seriously? So freakin' what?

At any rate, I resent your last post to the max. For all the reasons I just stated.

@Max
I don't think it's respectful to the world that was involved to deny a war's existence just because it took a while for 1 or 2 countries to get involved via declaration. The US was involved before that whether there was a declaration or not. It didn't become a world war once the US got there. It was already a world war for 5 years. My grandfather told me about a couple Americans he knew who came to Canada in the last 1930's, became official Canadians just so they could join the RCAF and help out in the war. So, clearly, it mattered even to Americans before 1942. I don't think it should be taught as 1942, especially if, even for Americans at the time, they knew about the war and wanted to help. Even if just out of respect for the veterans (some of which are still alive!)

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maxpontiac
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:00:32 AM

Underdog - You read way to much into our discussion. I posted this in the other thread, but I wasn't mad. Still ain't either.

Blacklisting? Come on man. I don't do that. You voiced your opinion, as did I.

Plus, that attitude you speak about it EVERYWHERE. Every nation on this planet has it. People everywhere complain about, or have an attitude about some foriegn country.

I do NOT have a problem with you not liking AC's move to America. You don't have to like it, but I for one, will enjoy this one more then the previous ones because of not only where it set, but when.

THIS, is exactly why I avoid internet discussions.

EDIT - See, you might be taking certain people's views the wrong way. I don't expect everyone to understand the intricacies of WW2 beyond their borders. Some people just don't have the desire to pursue that. My Grandfather and Uncle were Fighting Seebees in WW2. They did NOT get involved until after December 1942. To people like my Grandmother and Aunt, neither did they. Just because it was the case for your family, it doesn't mean it's the case for everyone!

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:10:08 AM

I suppose it matters to our family a lot more. My wife's grandparents are Dutch and lived in Holland during the war. They were occupied by Germany and while a couple Allied countries fought there to free them, their town was liberated by Canadian soldiers. (My wife's grandmother still remembers they were hiding Jews, and at the end of a fight, a soldier broke into the cellar where they were hiding from the fighting. They thought it was a German and thought they were going to die because of the Jews. The soldier pointed at his Canadian flag and said, "mother mother, friend, friend, Canada!". They all cried. lol

So yeah, I guess for my whole family and my wife's, WW2 is likely a softer spot than for most.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:11:19 AM

Fair enough underdog. I just find it incredibly insulting when Beam calls us stupid then you follow up with an accusation that isn't even true. It's fine if you don't care for this game taking place where it is. That is your opinion and I have no problem with that. That is why i disnt challenge you in the other thread. However, It's the comment that we all think WWII started with Pearl Harbor or snarky comments like "I agree with Max in that the USA thinks the USA has the coolest everything.".

Im sure you can understand how that comes off as condescending right?

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maxpontiac
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:21:30 AM

Underdog - I could imagine that your relatives dealt with hardships we can't even fathom. My family has only served on the Pacific Ocean side of things until 1991.

Oh, I believe any family that was involved in any War has a soft side to conflicts, and a defensive nature. It's all good.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:26:04 AM

Well, to be fair, Max actually defended why the US -SHOULD- think WW2 started in 1942... so, it's probably less snarky than it is an observation at this point. :s

As for the toys part, I was literally referring to toys. And it was a joke, not an insult. Everyone and their auntie knows everything in NA culture is about being "bigger" and "better". Just watch commercials for children's toys. I thought that was sort of something we all agreed on and roll our eyes at... the whole bigger, faster, stronger, etc. etc. etc. stuff that dominates commercialism.

But yeah, I thought my tone there wasn't perceived as a serious notch in anyone's hat. Especially since right after I said something like, "seriously though" or "on a serious note". I had hoped that would indicate the prior statement wasn't altogether serious.

@Max
It's probably no surprise the only world history that really interests me deeply after 1700 involves the world wars... That's probably why. lol

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:28:50 AM

Also, you know I respect you and even if I had something negative to say about Canada I wouldn't do it here nor would I imply that most of your population are stupid or ignorant.

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:53:41 AM

Just a quick jump in for America.....

D-day when Americans landed on French shores June 6, 1944. V-E day May 2,1945.........
Coincidence ?????

Ha.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:59:36 AM

I don't get it.

@Jawk
On a side not unrelated to country, most people are not stupid. Most people in the world are typically pretty ignorant, though. Most don't really see the world beyond themselves. I'm sure I'm not any different, if I'm honest. It's almost a practiced skill to be able to see the world through another's eyes.

Most of that can be blamed on just plain old not having enough access to ALL the facts, though. I'm sure if we all knew EXACTLY what all our governments did, we'd see things much differently.

(Canada's currently undergoing an investigation about some dirty politicking. It's possible our election last year involved some fake calls to people purposely giving them misinformation about where to vote in an effort to suppress the vote. No facts have really been released yet, but the fact this investigation is even has to happen makes me mad.)

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:28:14 PM

" Most of that can be blamed on just plain old not having enough access to ALL the facts, though. I'm sure if we all knew EXACTLY what all our governments did, we'd see things much differently "

Nah man... most people tend to think they are better than low. In other words, "I cant believe that they did this, I never would have"
kind of mentality. I think thats why soldiers have such a hard time coming back from war. It doesnt matter how you see things, only how they are.

If most people saw the things our government did they would be upset. Could you imagine if they had profiled the 9/11 hijackers before they got on the plane ? The government would have heard such venom it would be crazy. (Because if they had kept the 9/11 Islamist off the plane we have no 9/11.)

So I dont think having facts is the thing, I think having faith is. Do you have faith in a Government. Do you have faith in a theory. Do you have faith that a video game company will be able to tell a story about the history of another country, and reach those gamers without hurting feelings and possibly hurting sales of future game of the franchise ?

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Beamboom
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:36:58 PM

I never said anyone were stupid?
What I hinted at in my post up there was that I believe people are just as clueless about what has happened outside the borders than inside - and rewrote that quote of Ben to match that claim. You know, just to be witty.

What I *do* think though, is that it's a shame that this series shift focus to the United States simply cause that's where most things in the entertainment industry takes place, across all channels. It's simply too much.
That is what I think is a shame, for reasons that are much better explained by several in the PSX Gaming Forums, in the thread "Gaming News". Feel free to check it out if you want to. :)

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Teddie9
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:28:09 PM

Even though I'm Canandian I must agree with Jawk, were a little too critical of the US sometimes. I was a little put off initially and I apologize for that, it was a gut feeling. But my mother (who likes to hear from me what's going on in the storyline from each title to the next) was absolutely distasteful when she saw the gameinformer cover image actually saying that "they ruined the series".

Which is an absolutely insane and foolish thing to say, but she didn't give it a second thought. I really think we need to back off on this one Underdog.

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Nas Is Like
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 9:42:40 AM

It's not bashing if it's true. But I guess the truth does hurt, so one might try to falsely call it "bashing".

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Underdog15
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 9:12:34 AM

I don't need to back off at all, dude. I'm not saying the US is bad or the setting for a game or story is bad. I'm saying the AC series could pick from a BAZILLION different settings in history and it would be better. Where's the parkour?

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Victor321
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 9:58:42 PM
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I'm from Canada, and I learned about the American Revolution, the Civil War, etc. and connecting the many historical events (more prominently in the 20th century)from the perspective of Canada AND the US; what they did, who did what, why this treaty was significant, the effects of that event on Canada/US. I look back, and I think that was pretty cool, learning history like that :)

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PSTan
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:30:28 PM
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AC is probably my favorite game series this gen, can't wait to see what gameplay innovations and immersive world Ubi gives us. A three year development period tends to yield fantastic results.

However, story-wise, I sorta think the series has lost its way in some respects, and I REALLY want to know what happens to Desmond and his time period.

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bebestorm
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:32:56 PM
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Ben Its official Game Informer two covers says it all. Im so excited for this game.. Game should be very interesting. I wonder who will be templars.

History has never been a favorite of mine but Ubi has done a good job opening my mind to it.

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matt99
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:37:21 PM
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Well I think the problem today is that history has become so political that facts are being skewed and even completely made up to support one ideology or another.

As for not enough games taking place on American soil, well I have to disagree with you here Ben. Sure there may not be that many games that take place on American soil, but most games out there have an American protagonist. While it would be very interesting and a great learning opportunity, as someone who is not an American I wouldn't mind having a game that didn't involve the US. (and yes I know the previous AC games were all in Europe, I'm talking about games in general). It's nothing against you guys, it's just with most tv movies and games being centered on America I think a little break here and there would do our relationship some good.

Edit: I am NOT saying that I wouldn't love the game if this is true.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:43:31 PM

It's just that... our entertainment productions are so much better than yours ;)

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matt99
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:21:44 PM

hey! we do have Ubisoft montreal! Although when it comes to movies and tv...even the proudest Canadian will admit defeat.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:25:12 AM

True true, I think there's some Visceral folks in Montreal too. I couldn't denigrate them.

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Beamboom
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 5:38:11 AM

That's exactly it, Matt.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:58:48 AM

I dunno, Matt.

Hockey Night in Canada is probably the best television broadcast in the world!

;p

But in all seriousness, you're right.

Although, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World was canadian... that was pretty sweet. But 1 exception hardly makes a rule. Canadian's have a huge presence in tv and movies, but the money is in the states. So that's the best place to make them, for sure.

lol, even our best Canadian stations play American content for sitcoms, dramas, etc.

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Cesar_ser_4
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:13:51 AM

Man, you can't swing a digital hose in youtube without hitting a channel whose owners are based in canada.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 10:41:54 PM
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The schools do their job just fine, kids just don't care these days and don't pay attention or remember. However it doesn't really matter because the history that is taught in schools is already revisionist and false (until you get to college). I just wonder if Ubisoft will follow the false narrative we were taught in school or bring in some historians to get it right. It was a damn huge stretch for ACR to include a Greek Fire cannon. It was never used in that particular manner.

I follow history with a passion and the only problem I can see for this game is that I can't think of where they could set it that would make it interesting for a city-scaling assassin.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:02:34 PM

You are on point... people as a whole don't care about much past themselves.

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matt99
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:27:54 PM

As someone who just graduated high school I have to agree. Personally I loved history class and had a great teacher, but most of my friends couldn't give a rats ass about history, complaining about learning about a bunch of stuff that's already happened. What they fail to realize, and what most people fail to realize, is that history does in fact repeat itself and there are numerous lessons to be learned from past mistakes and successes.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:47:17 PM

It's very sad too because history is so rich and fascinating and there is no better vantage point from which to view current events than the one a person who knows about history possesses.

Every day I see fools repeating history because they learned nothing from the past.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:01:49 AM

I disagree. Public schools are not getting the job done. We continue to fall behind the rest of the world in terms of academics and we spend the most money. Public schools have diverted their attention away from the kids and focused it more on the teachers unions and their pensions. My best friends older sister has a daughter who is 8 years old and didn't even know what cursive penmanship was. Utterly pathetic.

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matt99
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:24:32 AM

Well Jawknee I can't speak for the American school system but in Canada it's really not the schools, our educational system is pretty good. In my experience it's the students who are the problem, I mean teachers can only do so much with a student who is not willing to learn. Again that's not all students, but I have so many friends who are good people and pretty smart, but just don't have a desire to learn. Maybe it's a completely different situation in the US but that's the biggest problem I see in Canada.

Edit: Although I do agree with you about the unions in Canada and the US, it's gotten to the point where a teacher can only get fired for sleeping with a student or something extreme, and the result is a bunch of crappy teachers who really should be fired.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:28:57 AM

No matter what is happening with the unions and the pensions it's the presented material that matters and when the kids grow up in a Twitterverse that turns them into attention-span lacking spazoids they do what everybody else is doing: just enough to get by.

While I think personally that we need a fundamental restructuring of the way the public school system works, you can't say the proper information isn't available and being taught. The problem is nobody is listening.

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matt99
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:33:24 AM

Exactly world, I had a friend who texted through class all semester and then didn't understand why she only got Cs and Ds.

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bigrailer19
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:46:22 AM

Jawknee-

This is definitely a story with two sides. There is a lot wrong with schools I'll agree. But the students can learn with a willingness. I'm taking college courses now, majoring in engineering, and I can do the work because I put in the time. But when I was younger, I didnt even begin to comprehend pre-algebra because I didn't care too. In elementary and grade school I did ok in class though, but high school, I just didn't care. It wasn't because the school was incapable of teaching the students. So a lot falls on the student as well. I've always thought though that schools need to be more engaging with the student.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:51:58 AM

Maybe we don't disagree much after all. Indeed the information is there and there are more distractions tempting kids, but the adults have become distracted as well. Too often it is about tenure over the kids needs.

Matt, I don't know enough about the Canadian public school system to comment but regarding this:

"Exactly world, I had a friend who texted through class all semester and then didn't understand why she only got Cs and Ds."

...I will say that I think that problem has to do with the lack of authority in the class room. Wouldn't you agree that the teacher should be allowed and should do something to stop that kind of behavior while class is in session?

Railer, too many kids don't do it willingly. World and I are from the same generation, there were some that loved it but fact is a lot of kids didn't care. That's where the adults need to work harder. But they don't. Younger kids will be distracted no matter what, teachers need to lead them and keep them focused and meet their needs first but too many are not because once they get tenure, there little repercussions for poor performance like Matt said. You know as well as I do most human beings, and a lot of human beings are teachers, will slack off at a job if they know there is little that can be done to fire them. I know there are some good teachers out there but far to many of them are failing these kids.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:00:12 AM

I never had a problem with a teacher because of the issues they had with their jobs, we all have issues with the systems that employ us, the only teachers I had a problem with simply weren't suited to teaching. My 2c

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:09:14 AM

Their job issues don't have to bleed into their job performance, what I mean to say and I think Matt agrees is that a not having to worry about your performance to keep your job is going to produce a lot of slackers. With out hard working teachers, kids will learn less.

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matt99
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:28:27 AM

Jawknee, I agree that there's an authority issue but there isn't much a teacher can do nowadays with parent councils and all that it's almost as if students have a union too, so many teachers stop caring about what a student does as long as it doesn't distract someone else. And in fact this particular teacher pulled my friend aside several times throughout the semester and told her why she was doing so poorly, and that is just one out of 20 or so students who pretty much all have cell phones ipods etc. So basically the teacher said I'm going to teach those who are willing to learn.

And yeah I agree teachers are like any other human, most want to be good at what they do but at the same time if they can do less they do.

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Fane1024
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 2:07:09 AM

The real problem is that parents, who used to side with the teachers in trying to educate their kids, now too often side with the delinquent children. Teachers, far from being secure in their position of authority, are unable to assert any control over their classrooms due to fear of objections by parents who coddle their "babies".

Proof: what the hell is Matt's friend doing with a phone inside a classroom, much less actually texting? If I were in charge of that class, that phone would be confiscated and only returned at a parent/teacher conference. Good luck to any teacher who tries that.

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matt99
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 2:38:56 AM

Teachers no longer have the power, and the kids know it. And really highschoolers aren't mature enough to have that kind of freedom in a classroom, the seniors maybe, but certainly not the 9s and 10s. So it's really hard to put the blame on one single party and it's going to take a collective effort to fix the problem.

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 9:10:41 AM

You all have excellent points, I think.

Certainly there are many different problems, and in my opinion, it needs a big overhaul. At least in Canada, a big problem lies in the hands of the government who decide exactly how they want to fund education.

We have piss-poor extracurricular opportunities, for example. And if my phys ed degree taught me anything, recreation impacts every aspect of life. But kids can't join clubs, play a sport, or drama, or music, or nearly anything these days without first making a tryout of some kind, you know?

Also, decisions are made that take control away from teachers. In Ontario, you can't dock a student marks for handing in an assignment late... Like... it's so stupid. You can hand everything in on the last day and get full credit. And if a student skips class? The solution is to suspend them... "You didn't come to school... therefore... you can't come to school."

Basically, the government's design is to GRADUATE people as quickly and cheaply as possible. If people fail, it costs them more money to educate them for a longer period of time. And that's the new basis in canada for educational funding.

That, along with like... a million other issues I have, it's no wonder our world ranking continues to slip. And with new thinking in letting youth think freely and learn freely, they've blurred the line between black and white... so ADD or ADHD kids are suddenly allowed to have their media devices in class... If you can't do work, you must have a learning disability.

An estimated 40% of students classified by their schools in Ontario as having a learning disability, have not been diagnosed by a counseling psychologist or psychiatrist as this being the actual case.

How pathetic is that!?

What is even more interesting, is the deeper you dig into the issues, the more apparent it is that everything comes down to streamlining kids OUT of the system... It's designed to have people succeed. NOT to challenge. (You need to register for advanced classes for that... none of which are mandatory. Only recommended for those that want to go into post-secondary. And even then... it isn't mandatory!!!)

And even post secondary has issues!!! Undergraduate programs take more and more students in all the time. And the model there has become about being a business model for the school to make money. Whether you succeed or not is irrelevant. It's EASY to get into an undergrad program.

No WONDER an undergrad doesn't really get you very far anymore. And no WONDER high school is not the MINIMUM standard for any job. No WONDER if you want to get anywhere in life without owning something you have to either know people or have a Master's degree or greater.

And geeze-louise, no wonder our NA educational systems drop down the rankings nearly every year for the past 15 years.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:10:44 AM

It's the parents who do/dont teach proper values to their children.

If you teach tem respect for each other and for their elders/what's rigth and wrong it would be the foundation for children behaiving themselves.

They are allowed to get away with far too much these days, which is the root couase of a lot of issues.

On a side note...

What's wrong with the term 'joined-up writing'?

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:36:40 AM

@Digital
You're absolutely right about parents.

Unfortunately, I've also seen many broken families or deadbeat parents in my line of work. (My official title is "Youth Advisor") There are a large number of youth who have been raised so poorly, they basically have no hope of even KNOWING how to behave properly without an older, trusted adult to guide them. It falls on the educational system and their partnerships to pick up that slack.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to talk to people about the importance of hygiene. And honestly, it's straight up because no one ever taught them how to wash themselves properly. Seriously. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true.

If you're never taught something, how can you learn it? It's tough!

So yeah, parents are another huge piece of the problem, as well. But they aren't the only one. There need to be practices in place to capture those kids early and make a positive difference. For example, if all they're taught is that it's OK to hand in assignments late, and they have no proper home support... how can you expect them to function properly in the work force in the future? Half the time, they end up on support. Heck, what about Crown Wards (don't know what they'd be called in US. A Crown Ward is a Ward of the state... in other words... a kid who is supported by children's aid... no parents due to abuse or whatever other issues after being removed by the courts.)

There's just a world of issues that are not addressed with anything other than sympathy... no action or positive reinforcement.

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Teddie9
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 7:58:48 PM

world's right the "doing just enough to get by" mentality is a scary realism - I can vouch for that in my own classroom. Many people want to be ambitious, but in reality they aren't willing to work.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:43:11 PM
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We'll see how it turns out... I'm trying to think what the atmosphere would really look like, if they try to fit it into the AC universe so the gameplay doesn't change much. Or if it would be more, Like what the colonies looked like during the late 1700's. There wasn't any real urban development. It may turn out to look great and that it's set in this time period in America makes it pretty fascinating. The story could bring some historical facts and issues about as well but I'm more concerned with the landscape.

It'll be very very interesting to see what they do with this time period, I'm actually really excited to see. This type of stuff always brings out the history researcher in me. I do however think there is a lot of potential and Boston and Philadelphia would be a great places to see. I'm nervous about it, but excited to see what they do, if it's true!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/1/2012 11:52:41 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 11:49:07 PM
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Maybe they will not have 1 open world but a few, like a battlefield here and a proto-city there that stretches across the colonies.

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bigrailer19
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:28:51 AM

There's actually a lot of potential not just to Span the colonies, but to also to European countries. This game could have a lot involved and it could be pretty lengthy if done right!

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Bigimpactpooch
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:00:10 AM
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Love the AC franchise. Prolly because it blends the conspiracies of today and blends it well with history like the Illuminati/templars ect. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if this stuff actually happened haha. Can't wait!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:01:17 AM

Since our founding fathers were, to a great extent, Freemasons I think we can expect a lot of Dan Brown in this iteration. People have always tried to connect the Templars, the Illuminati, and the Freemasons.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:24:42 AM

Indeed world. Seems like he perfect era for this franchise dispite what some say...

>.> ...Underdog =P

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 1:25:32 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:44:52 AM

lol
Admittedly, one of the biggest reasons I love it is because of the architecture... I was giddy climbing the Colosseum. I'm not sure I'd like running along the sparse US architecture which is European inspired anyways.

It's just of all the history courses I took (which wasn't many, but 5 or 6), American history interested me the least. But to be fair, I also have no buy in. My great grandparents on all sides immigrated to Canada from Europe in the early early 1900's and late 1800's. And they were on the east coast, which means they weren't involved with anything other than prohibition trades. (My great grandfather shipped alcohol from breweries/distilleries to the southern tip of Nova Scotia to be smuggled into Boston via ship during prohibition. lol... yes... my only American ties involve alcohol. haha!)

So it shouldn't really be a surprise that I'm far more interested in European history. I'm interested in Asian culture, but only because it happened to interest me.

I guess, really, the parts of history I got un-interested in were basically not long after gunpowder was used as a weapon. (Except for the 2 world wars, but again... it's because my grandfather and great grandfather fought in one or the other along with other relatives)

So don't hold it against me. lol. I'm just have no invested interest in American history, and hey, I'm not American either, so why should I? It's not like you could tell me anything about Confederation, Luis Riel, the fighting between northern and southern ontario, the railroad, Canada's role in the underground railroad, or anything about any of our provinces or territories, right? But I don't expect you to, either, nor do I expect you would care. Why? Because you aren't Canadian and have no invested interest in our history.

I don't blame you guys at all for that either. I'd be the same way. In fact, I am exactly the same way with American history. That's hardly a bad thing on my part. :p

@World
I'm disappointed. Dan Brown is an overly amateur writer. You're way too smart to like his drivel. lol

Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 8:45:36 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:10:03 AM

And no... it's not the perfect era. I can think of 5 choices off the top of my head that would be better. Some even near that timeline.

France, Russia in the late 1800's would be SICK for it's architecture and insane political unrest (we STILL don't know everything that exactly happened! Think Anastasia and the removal of dynasties and Czars!), Spain during the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella (think musketeers and cardinals!), England at any time 1400's and onward, Beijing or Japan, or another middle-eastern country at pretty much any time in history.

There are lots of choices that would be better, in my opinion. Even if for no other reason other than architecture and sandbox-ing, let alone the possibilities for better political storylines. (The more I think about a Russian setting at the end of dynasties and Czars, the more I think it's an excellent idea)

EDIT: I guess that was 7, not 5.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/2/2012 10:12:44 AM

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:55:11 AM

@underdog

Yes, an AC is Russia would be pretty sweet. Scaling St. Basil's Cathedral in Moscow would be awesome.

Last edited by SirLoin of Beef on 3/2/2012 11:57:55 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:01:03 PM

lol, that's exactly what I was picturing in my head, too!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 2:51:39 PM

Underdog, I don't like his drivel. I'm often shocked that people act like he is the first writer to mix historical reality and fiction. The saddest part is when he alters the historical reality part to fit the story. Sure sometimes I will make up a statue or a park in my historical stories but I wouldn't change the historical basis to the extent that he does, it's a cop out. Not only that but he simply takes all the work and research others did and reorganizes it.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 2:22:50 AM

I had no opinion about Dan Brown (the movies were entertaining enough) until I saw an example of his prose posted by a detractor: truly abyssmal.

On topic: I think the only real problem with the setting is what Underdog's been saying about the architecture. I'm not sure it will be unimpressive enough to ruin the "AC experience" (the buildings in AC1 were mostly pretty squat and dingy), but it certainly won't be as awesome as renaissance Italy or Constantinople. Otherwise, I'm pretty chuffed.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 3/3/2012 2:30:13 AM

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Underdog15
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 11:30:40 AM

@World
phew, that was close!

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pillz81
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 11:37:21 AM

According to an online article, "Ever since the conclusion of Assassin's Creed II, a senior team of Ubisoft developers has been secretly toiling away on what comes next. That team aimed high, with plans to examine and rethink every element of the franchise from the ground up, build something new."

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 1:13:49 AM
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Please fix the tearing and I'll buy it day one. Maybe...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 3:06:46 AM

Nevarrrrr!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:04:10 AM

I'm sorry, but that's just a ridiculous complaint. Unless you're SO anal that you sit there and stare at the screen and look for an error every two seconds.

I've played games that have annoyed me with visual problems. AC isn't one of them. Not ever.

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:18:52 AM

I'm sorry Ben, but you're in denial. The AC series has some of the worst tearing I have ever seen. It nauseates me. And yes. I am anal about it. :)

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:28:16 AM

I noticed occasional tearing in AC:B. Not so much in the others though. I half wonder if some people experience more than others.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:29:08 AM

You're the one missing out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 2:50:39 PM

You don't have to look for it in AC, it's there ripping you out of the experience every 5 seconds. It's literally worse than in Alpha Protocol.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 2:42:23 AM

I have to agree with World and Jawk. AC suffers from a ton of screen tearing, particularly when you synch a view point.

For me, it's not enough to ruin an otherwise excellent experience, but it does bother me.

I definitely think some people notice it more than others. Unfortunately, too many developers seem to be "others". The tearing in the opening scene of ME2 is so bad that I can barely tell what's happening. RF: Guerrilla is another bad example.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 11:34:52 AM

I'm wondering if you guys are confusing the Animus fluxes with screen tearing now that you mentioned especially during the syncing with view points. In AC1, if you saw tearing or glitching, you could press any button to see the scene from a different angle... Like a "true" sync.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 10, 2012 @ 7:04:40 PM

Nope. It's screen tearing.

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___________
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 4:36:22 AM
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no rumour at all, ubisoft has sent live the teaser webpage which has the game box on it.
AC3 will take place in the american revolution, unfortunately......
im kinda pissed, i thought this was going to take place in current times!
wasnt that the whole point of the previous AC games?
train desmond up, and find the pyramids so they can save the world in the current time.

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Teddie9
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:00:43 PM

@wakazoa

ubi montreal has never been known to have such a bias.

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 9:44:52 AM
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Ben Im not sure we want a foriegn company (albeit in a country that has at time serious slant against the U.S.) teaching young americans about our history. If that is the case the our schools have failed and its an indightment on the U.S.

As far as the game being entertainment sure, I get that. A fun game, I get that too. But as a history lesson.... no way. Im a HUGE fan of history. Been to all the battlefields on the eastcoast and even did re-enacting instead of boyscouts. But if we want to tell our history, it should be the U.S. telling our history. Just as we should ask European countries to tell us European history. I think thats fair.

I just dont see how Ubisoft can make this game as grand as the first 2 honestly. I just dont see the "franchise" improving now that they have decided to go anuual. But if they pull it off I will buy it and write them an apology letter.

Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 9:45:20 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:03:15 AM

What difference does it make who creates it, provided they get it right?

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:20:13 AM

Well if we in the U.S. write a history of Europe but "get it right" it will still have a western bias/slant to it. Like how the British were the "bad" guys in the revolution. Actually they had just as much right as we did here to govern. The "Patriot" leaders just wanted more say and to be able to govern themselves. The normal people of the U.S. werent effected much and they fought the war.

In Europe they might say the Crown was right and the rebels were the "bad" guys. You see, there is not really anything "wrong" with either statement but how Americans see their history is different than how Europeans see the same history. So its more fair for each to be able to write stories of thier own history.

Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 10:20:36 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:38:16 AM

History is written by the victors! -Winston Churchill

Definitely a lot of truth in that quote.

(And I'm not suggesting which side was in the right here, although it is neat to see another point of view in wackazoa's statement)

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:52:46 AM

Churchill's quote is absolute fact. Look at the Civil War for instance. It is viewed as a war to end slavery by most. Almost all European countries see this as the blight of America.(only America mind you)

It was actually fought on the same grounds as the revolution. One group of states decided they wanted to govern themselves and were tired of being told what to do by what they thought was a tyrannical government. Whereas the Union beat the Confederacy and wrote the history of the Civil War so the rebels were seen as slave owning heathens.(where only a small percentage owned slaves)

The U.S. beat the British and became patriotic rebels (when only a small percentage were true rebels and benefited from the government change). So the victors truely do write history.

Which is where my point is coming from. We already have a slanted history of our country, why would we want someone from another country slanting it even further.

Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 10:55:20 AM

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:12:29 AM

Right Wack, because europeans didn't participate in the slave trade. Give me a break.

Slaverly was NOT unique to America. The only think that was unique about American slavery is we tried to stop it and 600k Americans killed each other in an attempt to abolish it.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 11:14:49 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:26:51 AM

I'm pretty sure wackazoa is American and is just providing a separate point of view.

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:32:46 AM

I cant tell if Jawknee was venting and agreeing with me or just didnt want to read through my long posts and only picked the one sentence.

And yes I am American from the south and my family was divided during the Civil War. Plus Im from Florida and the only reason they seceded was because they were landlocked. So I tend to try and see both arguments when looking at history.

Factoid - Florida was the only southern state during the Civil war not to be captured by the Union and have the Federal flag fly over it capital.... so I got that going for me. (Screw the south, bunch of cowards D)

Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 11:36:25 AM

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:36:02 AM

Maybe I misunderstood. You claim our history of slaverly is slanted so that implies the Europeans got it right? Is that not what you meant? If it is, you're wrong. If its not then apologies.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/2/2012 11:36:55 AM

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:47:19 AM

No Jawknee. I meant that the Patriots then the Union wrote our history of those wars. You mention the history of the U.S. to most Europeans (and I am lumping them together here) and they mention slavery, moving the indians off the land and killing them (though come on, most were killed by disease before we even knew what caused a cold) and then they'll go on how we are constantly medling in their affairs. (though WW1 started that and they were begging us to come and help)

Most American tend to look at the good this country has done and look at the Revolution as something special. Most non Americans tend to look at the bad our country has done and act if their country has never done anything wrong.

I was just stating that if American history is portrayed by a foriegn game company it would probably be slanted towards the bad things our country has done. But the good will be cheesily portrayed and most American who know history will dislike it while those who dont know any better will think it true.

Kinda like how most peoples opinion of the JFK assassination is based off Oliver Stones movie on the subject.

Speaking of....... Ubisoft there is something you use. Having Desmond's ancestor kill of John Fitzgerald and Bobby.

Last edited by wackazoa on 3/2/2012 11:48:27 AM

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Jawknee
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:55:32 PM

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 2:37:52 PM

This is ridiculous. If it's done correctly, there would be no slant. If there's a slant, it's wrong, regardless of who presented it.

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Norrin Radd
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 3:54:37 PM

Thank you, Ben, for being the voice of reason here! If it's presented factually correct, who cares who does the presenting? That's just sour grapes - something the Southern U.S. still has in spades. Yeah - I lived there.

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 3:02:26 AM

@Jawk

No, the difference is in how widespread slavery was in the US and (consequently) in how resistant to its abolition the states were. Most other countries abolished slavery long before 1865 (e.g., Canada in 1793 [sort of] and the British Empire in 1834).

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:39:23 AM
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Although I'm actually appalled at the amount of releases is the franchise, diluting quality this one actually sounds unreal as a concept. In the end I'm not convinced with how they have approached any of the previous ones that until it is released if it'll be worth it.

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AshT
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 10:56:11 AM
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I just hope its so much better than the last year's AC:R

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wackazoa
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 11:38:15 AM
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Has anyone said anything about Desmond's family tree ? An Arabic, an Italian, and now an American Indian ? I dont know anybody who's family tree is that diverse.

Not to mention the time frame for all this procreation is kinda fudgy.

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Norrin Radd
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 3:55:46 PM

I know tons of people's family who are waaaay more diverse than that! Time to go outside, man. ;)

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Fane1024
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 3:04:06 AM

Tiger Woods.
:D

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Underdog15
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 11:31:53 AM

Ezio alone slept with lots of different women.

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wizzardofozzy
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:22:36 PM
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I would love to see more history in videogames.I used to play the hell out of moh and call of duty because of the somewhat historical experience.I never really got tired of them.Frankly, i was pissed when they switched to modern times and i still hold a silly grudge on call of duty for that.

As for the history thing, it might possibly help a few if discovery and history etc would focus less on those reality shows or whatever they are.Its been getting really bad lately anybody else noticed that?It got to the point a few weeks ago where i ended up watching pbs because everything else was some cameramen following a loggers,truckers or pawn shops.

Last edited by wizzardofozzy on 3/2/2012 12:27:54 PM

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Beamboom
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 12:42:49 PM
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Well, at least this got the discussion going! :D

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Teddie9
Friday, March 02, 2012 @ 8:08:27 PM
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I'll be honest as a Canadian I don't know much about the American revolution, and neither am I all that crazy about history. If the war is represented properly then maybe I'll be able to learn something.

Really though - make AC3 a game to remember :)
(I do kinda hope are protag is aboriginal though :p)

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BikerSaint
Saturday, March 03, 2012 @ 10:01:26 AM
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This is my take on AC3(& re-posted from the 1st AC3 rumor thread for those who didn't see it).....

This game could get really interesting, because Washington was actually big on using spy networks against the British during that time.

You might want to check out the history of the "Culper spy ring"........

http://www.history.com/topics/culper-spy-ring

This period was also the time of American traitor Benedict Arnold, who tried to sell West Point to the British, but was discovered by the same Culper spy ring.

There's also the history of agent 355, code-name for a "lady" who aided the Culper ring, & historians say, she was the only woman ever hung as a spy by the British,

Then there was the 1778 "Battle of Monmouth" fought by Washington & his Continental Army troops, against British LT General Cornwallis in my own home state of New Jersey

Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Monmouth

Just a few morsels to help set the mood for an American AC3

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Chamoru_Warrior
Sunday, March 04, 2012 @ 5:14:32 PM
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Wow Ben, I knew you were very patriotic ever since reading your Medal of Honor review two years ago, but I never figured you for...well let's just say your wording here makes you come off as some chest thumping, ultra conserivative GOP agenda pusher. Sorry, it does.

What exactly do you consider to be the REAL or unfalsified history of the U.S.? The way you said that seems like you are totally disregarding the fact that for many generations, students in grade school classrooms across our country were spoonfed highly skewed and historically inaccurate accounts of American history. In fact, only within the last decade did public school systems start to finally prioritize introducing more correct historical evidence that acknowledges and emphasizes all the historical contributions of African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans and Pacific Islander Americans to this country.

Furthermore, are you aware that Ubisoft Montreal was also able to defend many of their controversial assertions of historical corruption? Take for example, the fact that Thomas Edison, an American inventor and highly regarded "forefather" of technological breakthroughs in this country stole ideas from Nikola Tesla and strategically blackballed the latter through the use of libelous, deceitful tactics. Meatier details like this were conveniently left out of high school and even many college level U.S. history textbooks despite being historically factual.

All I'm saying is, although Ubisoft takes certain liberties with world history and throws rich elements of fiction into the mix, they get a lot of stuff right too. It's pretty ludicrous to assume that such controversial facts are merely liberal revisionist bull. I just hope that by saying you desire for it to remain truthful, you don't mean leaving out the controversial facts like the numerous travesties committed against Native Americans and African American slaves or the sub-human practice of tarring and feathering people.

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Chamoru_Warrior
Sunday, March 04, 2012 @ 5:21:02 PM
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*ultra conservative. And not saying that you ARE, but rather that it sounded that way.

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