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Is Nostalgia The Only Reason We Want Our Old JRPGs Back?

I'm currently playing Tales of Graces f and while playing, something struck me-

Fans of old-school Japanese role-playing games will often bemoan the loss of tried-and-true turn-based mechanics and in fact, the overall decline of quality in their favorite sub-genre. I'm one of them, as I have always believed turn-based could've remained (and evolved); the fans never wanted it to die, the designers opted to kill it off without our feedback.

But we've addressed that before. There's something else, something surprisingly obvious, that we don't usually acknowledge: Back when we all loved JRPGs during the SNES, PS1 and for the most part, PS2 generations, that's pretty much all we had. On consoles, if it was an RPG, it was made by a Japanese developer. So they all had that distinct Japanese flair; most were obviously inspired by anime, and every last one adopted one or many traits and elements of the Japanese culture. The bottom line is that we really had no choice; we were all indoctrinated, so-to-speak.

And of course, there's nothing wrong with appreciating other cultures. But the point I'm trying to make should be obvious. Now that Western developers have caught up (and in many ways, surpassed) Japanese designers, we don't have to adopt traits that are unfamiliar to us; we don't have to try and enjoy something that is quite clearly the product of a different culture. And while it's true that a lack of quality is a big reason JRPGs don't fare so well today, I firmly believe that quite simply, we have more options that hit closer to home.

I'm the perfect example. I never liked anime. I never understood it and I still don't. I'm also not a big fan of Japanese culture and style in general (no offense to any Japanese out there), although I definitely want to visit Tokyo one day. Therefore, it makes zero sense for me to have such an affinity for games that are dripping with Japanese flair. Many have expressed surprise at my love of old-school JRPGs and my complete dislike of anime. And I never really examined that but the reason is clear- I loved the gameplay in those games, I loved just about everything about them. So in truth, I would've played them had their roots been in Russia, India, South America, Africa, any European country, wherever.

I remain firm in my belief that turn-based mechanics and world maps didn't need to disappear, despite our advances in technology. But besides our love of those gameplay elements, what are we really clinging to besides nostalgia...? I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who really like the Japanese culture, but now that they have a choice, there's no real reason to bridge that culture gap anymore.

Tags: japanese rpg, jrpg, role-playing games, japanese games, gaming culture

3/18/2012 9:26:55 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (52 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 18, 2012 @ 10:21:26 PM
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I never quite understood your anime distaste either Ben, JRPGs are just an extension of what is already in them and they simply would not have been the same without them or coming from another culture.

Now, as far as the nostalgia thing goes I consider that every time I pick up a this-gen JRPG and have finally come to the conclusion that while that is a selling point we can't attach to many games anymore, it isn't the major reason.

The major reason we want our old style JRPGs back is because a classic form of gameplay, and I mean "Classic" in the sense that it's as tried and true and enjoyable as any timeless Mario mechanic is considered by the elite to be "outdated". And thus it is impugned and infringed upon by twitchy tweakers and their thrill-a-second action fetishes.

Another more minor reason is that with all the flash these days (and it infecting our JRPGs) there is no more room for touching moments like Squall and Rinoa's dance, there are no scope-broadening struggles that make us hate Sephiroth even more with every passing hour. There are no personal stories of identity crisis or friendship. Now we get a few characters there is no reason to care about and a story that would be laughed off by the writers at the SyFy channel (and they make some bad movies).

I mean really, people are saying that cut scenes have to go because there isn't enough action... what the hell man?

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 12:56:48 AM

I somewhat disagree, for caring moments are out there.

Uncharted 2 at the end had a touching moment with Drake and Elena that pulled an emotional string on my heart. I actually felt Drake caring. In fact, I actually care about the friendships between Drake, Sully an Elena.

I only use this example because Uncharted is an adrenalin junkies dream with some of the best action sequences out there.

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Beamboom
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:50:24 AM

"I mean really, people are saying that cut scenes have to go because there isn't enough action..." ->
That is *not* what they said. Read the full article again, or the (now rather long) thread at the PSXE forums.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:45:01 PM

But spending 8 hours with Drake through some tough spots is different from spending 50+ hours with characters who go through many difficulties, soul searching, personal crises, and who have personal investments in defeating their enemies. You get inside their heads a lot for a long period of time, at least to me that feels different.

Even if that idea that cut scenes have to go was taken out of context, all you have to do is look around to know it's true. Young gamers won't buy a game they think is too much like a movie, that hurts us.

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Beamboom
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 3:32:19 PM

I fundamentally disagree there, World, and for several reasons. But it's moments like this I so very much wish you were active on the PSX forums so we could continue there.

Your opinions on the PSXforums must be based on experience from before I joined the forum, cause it's really not bad at all there now. We've had several discussions that's gone pretty deep into the topic, with room for all views and opinions. Do we end up agreeing? No, hardly ever, but there's quite some interesting moments to be had either way.

I can only speak of from when I joined the forums, but it really is not that bad (anymore?).


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maxpontiac
Sunday, March 18, 2012 @ 10:49:18 PM
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I believe that more people would give Japanese games a try if they had an option for "action" gameplay.

Take White Knight Chronicle's for example, my teenage sons lost complete interest when they saw it was turn based.

Most young adults want action and that is a fact. Unfortunately a genre such as the JRPG is looking to become a dinosaur due to how it has not evolved.

Skyrim style RPG's are the ONLY way to go.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 18, 2012 @ 11:19:17 PM

I like Skyrim and the open ended choice style games but you never get the great stories you got from JRPGs.

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 12:46:03 AM

Agreed. I didn't find myself caring for anyone in Skyrim save myself. Sure, I liked a town or a merchant here or there, but not one NPC made me feel compassion or brought a smile to my face. Great game, but emotional involvement.

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 12:58:31 AM

^^^ but emotional involvement was non existent in that game for me.

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Beamboom
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:58:45 AM

World: Quoting, "you never get the great stories you got from jrpgs" -> Are there any jrpgs in recent time you'd say offer a great story?
I ask cause I hear that claim quite often, but of the few jrpgs I've played so far on the ps3 and the psp, none of them stand out as particularly interesting, story wise.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:20:44 AM

@Beamboom
There is definitely another issue of jRPG's not meeting even their own standards, let alone the standards of newer western games.

I haven't yet played a single PS3 game, in any genre, actually, that matches some of the stories found easily in the PS1 era, or even many games in PS2 era. But I think that's also because there was a need to compensate for the lack of technology as well.

There's a lot of issues to consider on this topic, and they all contribute to why jRPG's aren't made well anymore as a whole. But most of them are true at least to a certain degree.

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daus26
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:37:19 AM

Gameplay is one thing, but how is that you guys compare games by regions? I never really looked at whether or not the game is Western or Japanese, so I'm one to believe that any action western RPG "can" have a story as engaging as any JRPG. Even if they don't show that now, there is certainly the potential.

Are you guys referring JRPGs to a certain style of gameplay? Or are we comparing turn-based vs. action here? Deep story and emotional attachment (imo) should be irrelevant in terms of potential when we're comparing Western vs. Japanese, or even gameplay (action vs. turn-based). JRPGs back in the day had great stories because of the writers, not so much cause of the gameplay, or the fact that it was Japanese, right? Or am I wrong?

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:06:30 AM

Your son should have given it a chance as the combat in WKC2 may be turn based, but the mechanic is active time based, and almost action RPG like. It's a hybrid.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:47:34 PM

@Daus

The way western RPGs are structured (a lot of the time but not always) is open-ended and based on choice. In doing so, the structure of the story breaks down. In JRPGs there is one story that you play through and in the past it has often been a very moving experience because the story is strong and the characters are who they are. In WRPGs, everything is flexible. You just can't have a strong story and a ton of freedom, at least not yet.

As far as the gameplay goes, JRPGs used to be about strategy and commands, where an intelligent person could overcome a much stronger enemy using their mind. WRPGs and lately some JRPGs are all about hacking and slashing instant gratification where you can spam a few buttons and win.


@Beam

That's the issue, the JRPGs this generation just decided to drop the sweeping epic stories of the past to cater to people who don't like JRPGs anyway. You have to look to the past for greatness, which is sad.

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The X Factor 9
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:25:11 AM
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Mass Effect did a brilliant job with making you care about your characters...well until they released the latest one apparently. I'm currently torn as to whether I want to pay full price for a game that true fans feel such disdain for.

That said, it's been a long time since I played a JRPG that truly captured my imagination and made me care. Final Fantasy VII was the last one. Maybe you're onto something Ben.

I go back and replay the game every couple of years and it never gets old. It is just so utterly brilliant in its story telling and setting. It makes me so sad that there hasn't been a Final Fantasy game since (Ok, maybe 10) that gave me that same magical feeling.

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dembiscuits
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:52:50 AM
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I think part of the problem is companies like Bethesda and Bioware (not saying their games are bad) have turned rpg's into action games. I find their gameplay (which is not really that great to begin with) starts to wear on me after a while because most action games are not 40 or more hrs. Much of the strategy has disappeared.

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Russell Burrows
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 4:19:39 AM
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No Anime??
What about movies like Apple Seed, Vexille and Neo Tokyo??

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mehrab2603
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 5:11:51 AM
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May I ask what anime you have watched? I'm guessing DBZ and other shounen stuff that were on TV and maybe that is the reason you don't like anime. There is a huge variety of anime out there, even Western themed ones if you don't like Japanese culture centric shows. You can't judge a whole media only by a few examples. I used to avoid anime too because I hated shows like DBZ and thought all anime were like that but then I was introduced to some masterful work and now I'm hooked.

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Looking Glass
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 7:25:52 AM

True. I get the impression that a lot of people don't understand how much variety there is in anime. Anime is not a genre, it's a medium. It's everything that live action is and more.

Or to put it a different way in the west animation is primarily used for either children's content or adult comedy. But in Japan it's used for pretty much everything. Although some genres may be more popular than others (like shounen for example).

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 7:26:42 AM

Agreed.

The most global anime being Ghibli films. They are without question, some of the greatest films ever made and put the entire modern Disney (and often old) to shame. Furthermore, limiting it to the asian equivalent of Disney is also a huge, huge disservice. They're overall, a film studio that delivers timeless pieces. Proving this would be Grave Of The Fireflies - commonly described as the greatest war movie ever made.

Then you have other anime films that are just outrageously genius.

A common misconception about anime is that it's all about sword wielding, OTT spell casting, cheesy dialogue having, geek-fests.
But obviously, that's light years from the truth.

Anime is a film STYLE. Like Noir, Avant Garde, Arthouse, animation, Hollywood etc, etc.

Not liking that style is obviously fine, but with all being said, you'd be hugely limiting yourself.

Most Jrpgs were styles of anime.

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ZenChichiri
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 8:12:34 AM

I just tell everyone to go watch Code Geass all the way through and then they can tell me if they don't like anime. Depending on the person of course, I might recommend Cowboy Bebop.

@Ben: Especially if you're fond of the political nature of FF Tactics, I believe Code Geass would be an anime you would enjoy, if you ever wanted to dip your toes in a bit.

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Nas Is Like
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:16:54 AM

How can someone hate a show like DBZ? I'm not a big anime fan, but I loved that show. So did everyone else I know.

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mehrab2603
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 11:46:32 AM

I can give you valid reasons why DBZ is overrated (in my opinion ofc) but this is not a place to discuss anime. I've known people who hate it so I can tell you not everybody likes DBZ.

Many people have a wrong idea of anime and shows like DBZ that made anime popular in the west (along with mostly shounen being telecast) play a role in that. Anime is as diverse as any other media so it's hard not to find something you will like.

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SnipeySnake
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:25:01 PM

Steins Gate is definitely one of the best. It even beats Code Geass and Death Note.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:55:40 PM

If you can't appreciate the emotion in Cowboy Bebop you aren't human.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 3:17:00 PM

I never looked into it because it's called, "Cowboy Bebop".

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 4:11:07 PM

Since we're listing good anime, try any of these;

Chobbits
Please Teacher (also known as Onegai Teacher)
Hand Maid May
Hayate no gotoku
Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu
Lucky Star
Asobi ni iku yo!

There are others, but this should keep you busy. For Xenosaga fans, try Hand Maid May the two main VAs from Episode 1 and 3 voice the English dub and do a great job. The VA tha plays Shion has the title role, and the VA that played KOSMOS plays a significant part as well.

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goldentinny
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:33:05 PM

Oh please. I have watched TONS of anime at the insistence of my friends, from tv shows to movies, and the ONLY one I found remotely enjoyable was Howl's Moving Castle. People have different tastes.

That said, like Ben I do love JRPGs. There is a difference though. Almost all JPRGs were made with an eye toward a broader audience, while anime is not really. So while with JRPGs I suspose you do get some Japanese flair, it's not like you have to be invested in the culture to "get it." One of my favorite RPGs is Lunar, which was a hilarious game because Working Designs actually realized hey, some of these jokes don't translate, so they introduced jokes relevant to Western audiences.

There have been some JRPGs that have been too anime-y though and I haven't liked them for that reason, like the Growlanser series, Odin Sphere, some of the Tales, and the cringe-worthy anime dialogue of FFX (though I loved the gameplay).

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Looking Glass
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:35:42 AM

@ goldentinny

Well it does stand to reason that some people simply wouldn't care for the medium of animation in general.

But this assertion that anime is not made with an eye toward a broader audience is a very bold claim and not a very plausible one to put it lightly. This is partially because of the great diversity of the medium and partially because you seem to be basing this claim on the fact that you personally have not encountered an anime title that you have liked. Just because you and others may not be part of the broader audience doesn't mean that anime doesn't have an eye toward a broader audience.

The fact that you're making such a claim leads me to believe that the "tons" of anime that you've watched actually haven't really had all that much diversity and variety to them. Another thing that leads me to believe this is your use of terms like "anime dialogue" and "anime-y". The implication of such terms is that the dialogue and stuff you encountered is typical of all anime. But I firmly believe that it's safe to say that there is nothing that is typical of all anime (perhaps aside from stuff like it all being animated and the like and that kind of thing).



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Lotusflow3r
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 7:31:48 AM
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Can be nostalgia, but mostly because that style of gameplay for us was far superior to any Wrpg.

There's so much lacking in modern Wrpgs and many modern Jrpgs. It's only recently being realised and slightly brought back (The Last Story, Xenoblade, Ni No Kuni, Rainbow Moon, Tales Of Xillia).

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Looking Glass
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 7:50:30 AM
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Well for me the answer is not really.

Nostalgia isn't really an issue for me.

First of all unlike Ben I like anime and Japanese culture. That's one reason I support JRPGs.

Another reason is that I don't really care all that much for instant gratification, or "twitch", gaming. I like slower and more meticulous gameplay better.

And another reason is as follows. I can understand the appeal of the more "open ended" narrative approach featured in games from Bioware (the ME3 backlash aside), Bethesda, and CD Projekt RED. But even so I prefer the more focused storytelling found in many JRPGs.

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daus26
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:23:51 AM
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A bit off topic (and perhaps nonsense), but time certainly has changed. The only, absolute turn-based rpg at this time are Pokemon games. And you know what, imo it's perfected and can't be touched. Knowing it's mechanics deep down (which is very deep and something most people are not aware of), it's really the only one game that can't live off as "action" JRPG... imo.

I think one of the reasons why is because of the fact that it's an untouched formula of similar scenarios... or perhaps we're not hack n slashing with weapons?? Other JRPGs with turn based gameplay back in the day, especially FF, are able to and have continued to evolve. Unless the gameplay and story have become a true staple, like how racing games are always "racing" it's only natural that it'll change over time.

Well, whatever it is, I think it's pretty clear now that the generation now prefers a more live action sequence scene. A turn-based RPG will just seem like "chess" to them. Just imagine if there were as much as "action" JRPG as "turn-based" JRPG back in the day. Would turn-based rpg games fare as well as it did?

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Looking Glass
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:31:16 AM

"The only, absolute turn-based rpg at this time are Pokemon games."

What are you talking about? Don't you know about Atelier Rorona and Atelier Totori for example?

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Underdog15
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 9:36:20 AM

No ATB in the Ateliers. Definitely true-blue turn based.

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:10:11 AM

^^^^^

What they said.

WKC2 is turn based with a bit of an active time based hybrid kind of system and fully realized 3rd person view.

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:15:02 AM
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Ben, with the greatest respect your article appears to me to come down to this. Outside of the nostalgia you're saying that JRPGs were preferred because there was no choice (on consoles). So even though western gamers really were not liking the Japanese culture they played what their was. now that western devs have come to the console world, western gamers have a choice and are shying away from the foreign experience.

That sounds awfully parochial. It really feeds back into what I and others have been saying about the way that JRPGs are treated in reviews and how the Japanese gaming industry is perceived. All along with this insane point of view that says that Japanese devs must westernize. Parochialism bordering on cultural imperialism. I have other words to describe the point of view that says people played JRPGs because they had no other choice and now are choosing non-japanese games because they are more familiar, but people would not like me to use them.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:23:57 AM

No, it's really not that at all.

I'm just talking specifically about old-school RPG fans. Logically speaking, those in the West won't automatically or easily take to a fantasy world with a style and presentation they don't relate to. But as it was really the only option and they wanted the unique gameplay...

The point is this- if all those turn-based traditional RPGs we loved had come from Western AND Japanese developers, and they were about even in quality and frequency of releases, do you really think Americans would've bought the Japanese over the Western efforts? What would compel them to do so? Like I said, some just really liked the Japanese culture (like you), but you can't tell me that everyone, given the option, would always take the Japanese theme over a more familiar theme, IF they had had the choice.

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:33:25 AM

If I compare contemporary turn based games from western and Japanese developers (and I have to go back to PC based turn based games to find the western ones), there is no comparison. Japanese games win hands down.

I don't know what to tell you Ben, this generation I have come to really dislike the direction that the western gaming industry has taken. Games made in the west no longer seem to be about play. They seem to me to be about the interactive experience, realism, grittiness, lots of brown, green, grey and blood red. They seem less about fun and more about ever more real depictions of violence. What the hell ever happened to people playing games for the fun of play?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:45:23 AM

I completely agree, and I agree about the past as well. But I think you missed my point.

What I mean is- revisit 1996. Take a game like Suikoden. Now make the EXACT same game; just give it a different theme. Any theme that isn't distinctly Japanese; just some fantastical universal thing. Not sci-fi, just fantasy. Same game, same story, same quality.

Do that with all the great JRPGs and put the two versions side by side. ...I really don't think we would've all been buying the Japanese versions and hence, today, I don't think we'd be pining over the loss of the JRPG anywhere near as much.

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Highlander
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 12:04:57 PM

My RPG love affair stretches back to the pencil and paper games where you carried a back of D4, D6, D8, D10, D12 and D20 dice with you. I played the original text only Adventure games, and games like Rogue, NetHack and Moria. Turn based is a natural mechanic for an RPG for me, that's how I grew up with RPGs. JRPGs only really entered my sphere of consciousness thanks to FFVII and FFVIII. At the same times as those games I was playing Doom, Duke Nukem, Civilization, C&C, Sim City and similar games on PC and PlayStation. My love for Japanese culture and things such as anime probably comes as much from playing FFVIII as anything else.

I think that the reason that the JRPGs sold well was they they were different. I don't agree that the same game system with a typically western style and artistry would have sold as well. I guess we will never know though. I do though remember that there were RPGs on PC from western developers at the time that did quite well. So it wasn't exactly as if there was no competition for JRPGs then.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 12:14:45 PM

But none of those RPGs on PC played anything like JRPGs. The JRPG mechanics were almost entirely unique. I'm just saying that if it wasn't unique, if Western titles had those exact same mechanics (and they really didn't), I don't think we'd be looking back on JRPGs today as we do.

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Arvis
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:44:26 AM
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Ben, I am sure you get suggestions constantly, but there is an anime I want to recommend:

Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo

They took Dumas' classic novel and made a 26 episode anime out of it, told from the point of view of Albert de Morcerf. I'd be interested to see what you think of anime based on classic literature.

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 10:46:52 AM

Thanks, but I sincerely doubt they did Dumas any justice. The book is just far too deep. But that has nothing to do with anime; I don't think any film or series of episodes can capture the greatness of classic literature. For instance, Hollywood already butchered the same book a long time ago. Simplistic to the point of embarrassment.

There's simply too much between the lines that can't be conveyed properly on a screen. It has to happen in our minds.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:48:30 PM

The Lord of the Rings did the books lots of justice :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 3:14:57 PM

Sorry, but Tolkien is not Dumas.

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Underdog15
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 3:20:16 PM

I really liked the Lord of the Rings books as well as The Hobbit. Read them before the movies came out, that's for sure.

Of course, I've also been more attracted to good characters that relate well to the human condition moreso than an overall narrative. Admittedly, Tolkein had a slow narrative, however, he did well at creating characters that equate to human conditions. In that sense, his characters were always interested and always reflected, at least partially, onto something that is within myself or at least someone I know.

Of course, that was his intention at the onset which isn't entirely a traditional approach to character development. But it worked, none-the-less.

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:58:46 AM

Well Ben, you probably won't see this comment, but I do think you should at least give the series a try. 26 30-minute episodes is nearly 13 hours of storytelling (minus opening and closing credits). I have only seen the first episode so far, and it was surprisingly loyal to the source material. Albert and Franz at "Carnival," watching an Opera with the Countess G- and seeing The Count with Haydee. It ends with Albert being abducted by the "girl" that threw him a white flower. It's basically exactly how it went in the novel. You even get glimpses of both Bertuccio and Baptistin.

Of course, with Albert being the "main character" it's not going to have ALL of the many storylines of the novel, but so far it seems like they have gone in for representing the "de Morcerf" slice of the novel.

I really do think you would enjoy it.

-Arvis

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SuMtOnE
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 1:59:23 PM
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Hajime No Ippo is a great anime =P sorry off topic

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 2:56:17 PM

Big O is great too, it's Batman with Mechs.

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Alaric
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 4:42:24 PM
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A lot of good "classic" turn based Jrpgs are out on the market, but the sad thing is its mainly for PSP, DS, or 3DS. A very good series I would recommend to anyone to play would be "The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky". I personally liked Tales of Vesperia more than Tales of Graces F. I dont know when Ni no Kuni for PS3 will be released outside of Japan, but for someone who played it, I think it will satisfy a lot of JRPG fans.

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BigBoss4ever
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 11:00:57 PM
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there is something that only Japanese games able to produce - the one of a kind feeling of something mysterious, fantasy like yet so beautifully and even sadly rendered... for example, games like Demon's Souls, ICO, Shadow's of Colossus, Catherine, older school games like Chrono Trigger, Chorno Cross, Getsu Fuuma Den, Juon, Fatal Frame (or Project Zero), games like these, the Westerns are never be able to create. People who played those games I mentioned above and had a good taste of it would know what I am referring too-- something hard to articulate in words but have to experience yourself. It is these unique flairs that I go after when gaming. On the other hand, western based games are never quite like that, while awesome at times, they never deliver the same feeling of the games like I mentioned here, so to speak.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 4:44:59 AM
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nostalgia has nothing to do with it!
fans want them back simply because they crave something different.
in the world drowning with shoot this and shoot that, people are looking to the polar opposite genre away from that.
and that is?

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