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Do The Ninja Gaiden 3 Review Scores Prove Inafune's Point?

It's like every time you turn around, a once-proud Japanese franchise is suddenly, inexplicably floundering.

We've already caught wind of the possibility that Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City wasn't such a hot idea and now, the mediocre reviews are starting to come in for the highly anticipated Ninja Gaiden 3.

When stuff like this happens, one can't help but to return to comments made by ex-Capcom boss Keiji Inafune. Last year, he criticized the Japanese gaming industry for falling behind the Western competition and only recently, he sounded off again, saying it may have "gotten worse." Thing is, since when do new Ninja Gaiden titles score so badly? Granted, they've been re-releasing basically the same game (Ninja Gaiden Black) for so long now, it has started to feel a little old and tired. And that's why Sigma Plus for the Vita wasn't so hot.

But NGIII? The brand new effort? The game that, by all rights, could've and perhaps even should've been the very best action game of 2012? There seems to be no end to this string of Japanese disappointments, and it's kinda depressing. Sometimes you have to wonder: are the developers aware they're letting these glorious franchises slide? Or do they really think they're doing a good job? Will Tecmo and Team Ninja be surprised by the poor critical reception?

Related Game(s): Ninja Gaiden 3

Tags: ninja gaiden 3, ninja gaiden iii, keiji inafune, japanese games

3/20/2012 9:52:53 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (83 posts)

DjEezzy
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:09:06 AM
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I honestly think the Action/Hack n' Slash game of the year will either go to DmC or MGR: Revengeance. I'm actually leaning towards the latter. Platinum games are masters of that genre and i think their game will turn out amazing, especially when you consider it will be in collaboration with Kojima. DmC looks pretty sick too. I look forward to both actually. And lets not forget the dmc collection. Although it's not new... The first and third are great. This is unfortunate but not surprising.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:43:13 AM

So is the new DMC actually going to be 30fps?

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:21:10 AM
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Yeah, the Japanese are drifting further and further away.. sigh

But anyway, in a few hours I'll go to Gamestop and pick up NG3 and play and know for myself. IGN's NG3 review was retarded and so are so many others I've read. Retarded because few I've read even bother talking about the game comprehensively. I wish Gamestop would get with it. I liked their NGS Vita review, and felt it was reviewed by a guy I could believe.
I'm really curious about the harder diffulties. I did read somewhere that the hard modes do make differences to enemy types and aggressiveness etc. I'm wondering if "Master Ninja" or Ulitmate Ninja is where the fans should be looking.
Anyway, I really do question scores that claim it to be a 3 out of 10. Are these "professionals" really so biased that they allow whole criteria that should'nt be affected by their disdain for the new direction to be affected. Are the graphics really a 5/10? Or just just a 5 when they're grumpy.. anyway, I'll probably do a user-review myself.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:23:07 AM

3/10 is a score so bad it's generally reserved for games that are one meltdown short of bricking your console. This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia. It's precisely the same bill-crap that dogged WKC2.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:37:54 AM

Exactly.
And I remembered IGN's graphics score better than they gave it. It actually got a 4 out of 10.
So I'm expecting to play a game constantly riddled with visual flaws and inconsistencies that probably make it look worse than near every game ever released this console generation.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:30:11 AM

Wait, so IGN gave Ninja Gaiden a 3/10 because they don't like foreigners?

::face palm::

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 12:16:18 PM

By xenophobia, he's referring to "strange" genres other than fps's and other game types considered fit for mass consumption.


I'll be eager to read your impressions, Sensei Temjin, on the game, as I'm waiting to pull the trigger, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind taking the dive first.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:13:21 PM

Jaw, you choose the reason. IGN is a small minded crew who's cultural horizons seem to be limited to about 2 game genre and very local borders.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:22:33 PM

It's completely asinine and beneath you to call IGN a bunch of racists because they gave a Japanese game a less than impressive score. Your comment is absurd and completely uncalled for. People around here expect more from you than this.

You're being judgmental when you have zero evidence to support your "IGN are a bunch of xenophobes" assertion. They don't like the same games as you, it doesn't make them racists, culturally ignorant or afraid of foreigners. What this does expose however is your intolerance towards those who don't see things your way. It doesn't even make sense when you take into consideration the glowing reviews they have given past Final Fantasy games along with there near perfect scores for pretty much whatever Nintendo releases as well as Metal Gear Solid. All Japanese games and franchises.

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:55:33 PM

He mentioned "xenophobic", "genre", and "culture", but I didn't hear him bring up "race".

I tend to agree with Highlander's sentiments regarding IGN. They have some exceptions like Ryan Clements, Colin Moriarty, and Greg Miller (basically their ps team), as well as their former editor Chris Roper, but just about everyone else, including the new folk, are either obnoxiously slanted or jaded.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:55:38 PM

I didn't call anyone a racist Jawknee, that was your word choice not mine. I'll be very happy if you could please retract that accusation.

You can be small minded and have very local borders without in anyway shape or form being racist.

Nor for that matter did I assert that IGN are a bunch of xenophobes. I did say this "This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia." That means not that IGN are xenophobic but that I think that derisive scores for games from Japanese publishers feeds the xenophobia of others looking for justification of their prejudice.

You and I are going to come to verbal blows if you continue to mis-state my posts or views to this extent. I expect a retraction of this crap from you.


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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:13:12 PM

Shams, It has nothing to do with genres. You do not understand the proper definition of the word. Words have meanings and people need to choose their words carefully for the sake of accuracy.

xenophobia (ˌzɛnəˈfəʊbɪə)

—hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture

Highlander, I will not retract because you are making once again unfounded accusations and to be quite honest it's offensive. It's a silly conclusion to come to and once again exposes your dislike for your own adoptive culture. You revision of your first statement still doesn't make any sense. So because IGN gave a Japanese game a low score its going to fuel other peoples xenophobia towards the Japanese? One of the dumbest things I have ever read. Sorry for being so blunt but this is a non issue that you wish to find some kind of cultural bigotry in to fit your narrative that were all a bunch of culturally ignorant xenophobes.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:21:16 PM

Whatever Jawknee, you're projecting an awful lot onto me that is not there.

Saying that the people behind reviews are small minded or that they have narrow borders does not translate to your little essay on Xenophobia. Being critical of my adopted culture is neither an act against my adopted culture not is it a sign of a dislike for my adopted home or culture. It's a sign that I see that there are things that need to change, and there are. I haven't altered the meaning of anything I have said, I have been quite consistent, the only shifting of ground being done is that by you seeking to justify your accusations against me.

It's kind of ironic to be lectured about cultural bigotry by you.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:22:35 PM

I never knew xenophobia was a word until today =p

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:30:06 PM

For goodness sake! Choose another word then, you chose to use the word xenophobe. Not me. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I suggest you choose your words more carefully next time if you don't want to get called out on your silly accusation that everyone is a bigot who doesn't like Japanese games.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:30:23 PM

It's here sitting next to me, Master Shams. I probably wont get a good chance at it until tonight.
Really, I'm entirely expecting the game to not measure up to Itagaki's vision, always have. But needless to say, the NG franchise is a beloved one of mine, and I really want to understand NG3 inside and out before I take it to Koei/Tecmo for disapproval. I'd also like to see more reviews being fair minded and objective in intent. I suspect Ben to be level-headed with it and hopefully Gamespot. I have no problem with a critic reviewing it bad, if they at least support their claims and suppositions with evidence that causes me to believe they know what they're talking about and have arrived at a conclusion that doesn't come across as offended policies and emotional unrest.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:43:30 PM

Jawknee,

In case you are wondering Xenophobia, from xenophobe;

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign...

The words (xenophobe and xenophobia) can mean several things, but the root of the both is the fear or aversion to that which is alien, foreign(different), unfamiliar or unknown. It can apply to cultures, people, genre, idea or faiths.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:58:09 PM

Nuance.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:14:26 PM

Which you deliberately ignore.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:21:22 PM

Words mean what they mean Highlander. Don't try and give me your nuanced definition of the word in order to give yourself cover for making such a blatantly offensive and asinine statement.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:57:44 PM

I wrote what I wrote, you working so hard to take offense is not a reflection on my words, it is a reflection on your spirit.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 4:19:08 PM

Uh huh...I'm not the one who views some of my fellow counteymen as a bunch of bigots because they simply don't like certain video games and then tries to cover it up by manipulating the language used once called out on it.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 5:09:35 PM

Funny that, because neither am I. If I wanted to call them biogots, I would have. But I didn't because that's not what I wrote. Thanks so much though for completely distracting the discussion from the point. So very useful in furthering the discussion. One of these days maybe you will be able to open your eyes to the flaws of your society instead of getting pissed off when others point them out.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 5:18:57 PM

Projection much? Get over yourself Highlander. I've had enough of your self righteous arrogant America hating attitude. You constantly take swipes at our society, never having anything positive to say then when I call you out on it you pretend to be a victim and throw your little pitty party while accusing me of derailing the thread. Grow up and stop acting like you're the only one who has anything constructive to say. You see bigotry in video review scores, I see bigotry in YOU for accusing those who don't agree with your self obsorbed, bitter warped opinions as xenophobes.

You're a real piece of work.

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 6:02:06 PM

Jawknee, Pardon me for my intrusion, once again, but I am one of your "fellow country men", yet I didn't take offense of what Highlander said about IGN...Though I can read your Neo-con Uncle Tom act quite well.

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 6:04:36 PM

I'll await your thoughts on NG3, then, Sensei Temjin.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 6:28:25 PM

Did you just call me an uncle tom? Weren't you banned once before for racist, bigoted garbage like this?

Keep it up chump...

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 7:21:32 PM

Wow, you have a good memory. Yes, I got temp banned a few years ago, speaking in the forums, but Ben said he hadn't done it, and was quite welcoming of me. But, speaking of Ben, you've gotten on his bad side, recently, (regarding your butt-hurt reaction to his piece on Nintendo) since you can't seem to cool it, amigo.

I must say, for a person who's a roadie musician, besides your normal job, and having a family (congrats on that), you sure have a lot of time to duke it out here in the comment section. But, between you and me, I don't buy your bull, (though I tend to agree with your thoughts on gaming much of the time when you can manage to keep it to that ;)

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 7:36:52 PM

No one asked you to buy my "bull" nor do I really care what you think about my convictions.

Gaming on the other hand? Fair enough...

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:35:18 PM

Jawknee,

YOu're an offensive person sometimes, has anyone told you that before? I may have, and I'm sure others have to. Your little flag waving patriot act may play well with the peanut gallery, but that's about it. It has no substance. You think that someone that can point to flaws in society should not do so? Or perhaps that they hate their society because they are pointing to flaws.

How much more does someone love their nation when they ignore, deny or hide the flaws and pretend that they simply don't exist, or that they are actually just being blown out of proportion by 'haters'? You call me a piece of work? You haven't a frickin' clue who or what I am, and you haven't the first clue about how I feel about the nation I *chose* to make my home.

I've had multiple arguments with you in the past that have devolved into political posturing by you, I'm glad that this one didn't go there at least, but the jingoism in your arguments is offensive to me as is the willful ignorance of the issues present.

You keep hurling words like racism, bigotry and xenophobia at me and claim that I have labeled such and such a section of reviewers or gamers as this, when I have done *nothing* of the sort.

These are the two sentences that generated your reaction;

"This kind of derisive score helps no one and fuels further xenophobia."

"IGN is a small minded crew who's cultural horizons seem to be limited to about 2 game genre and very local borders. "

No one was called xenophobic, no one was called a bigot or a racist - not by ME at least. The only thing that could be drawn as a targeted comment was that I think that the reviewers at IGN have narrow and inexperienced minds and do not have very broad horizons. All the hatred, racism, bigotry and accusations in this were manufactured by YOU.

You accuse me of being America hating? You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 12:30:58 AM

LOL! Well you sure don't LIKE America as you have NEVER said anything positive. You just take cheap shots and don't expect anyone to say anything about it because it's a video game website. Then when I do you accuse me of derailing the thread. I know people respect you around here but that doesn't give you free reign to dump on my country. Don't bother replying again. I'm done with you and your games.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, March 22, 2012 @ 2:39:18 PM

/puts kettle on.

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pillz81
Friday, March 23, 2012 @ 12:49:30 PM

Lee Greenwood: I’m proud to be and American,
where at least I know I’m free.

Chris Rock: It's all right, cuz it's all white.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:21:32 AM
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I'll refer you all to my previous posts about how Japanese games are received in the west. Whether or not Ninja Gaiden is any good does not reflect on Inafune, nor on the state of Japanese games in general.

Frankly, I think the problem that Ninja Gaiden 3 suffers from is specifically related to trying to cater to a fickle western audience. So the tinker with what makes the game great and end up with something less than great. Which is what always happen when you tinker with greatness. Too many people are buying into the BS that says that Japanese games are somehow falling behind or out moded. The trouble is that Japanese games made for general release are made by teams who a) have no confidence because everyone second guesses their every move, b) haven't got a clue what to do to somehow make their games more attractive to a fickle western audience that they don't understand, and c) are being led by management that has lost sight of the home market and the fact that in the past when games were made primarily for the Japanese home market, they still sold well in the west - so none of the pointless tinkering is needed.

If Japanese developers would simply have more confidence in themselves and make the best damned game they know how to, and stop trying to pander to the west, we'd get better games from them.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:23:05 AM

Interestingly, NG3 scored four 9's from the japanese publication, Famitsu.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:28:03 AM

Indeed, the point I was making was that for western audiences, the tinkering to make the game more acceptable to the western tastes actually moves the game away from what the audience wants. the tinkering is pointless, and I do think t harms it in Japan, even if the reviews are more positive than the western ones.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:23:11 AM
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Prediction: Some will cling on to the few positive reviews they can dig up and use those as proof that it's the reviewers and the media there's something wrong with - not the game and definitely not Japanese devs. Just you wait and see. :)


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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:29:09 AM

Prediction, Beamboom will say....oh, wait too late, he already did.

Your cultural chauvinism is charmingly naive.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:32:14 AM

Yeah that was almost spooky. When I wrote the comment all that were showing were DjEezzy's comment.

No need to be rude though.

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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:06:57 PM

Highlander seems to run rampant sometimes. Kind of has that he's above the law mentality. Just ignore those times. Otherwise he's a good read.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:14:30 PM

Crusader, I only ever give as good as I get, and do so sparingly. Beamboom simply enjoys playing devil's advocate far, far, far too much.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:59:00 PM

But I'm not even advocating anything here? And nowhere is your name mentioned, Highlander. It's not a reply to any of your comments, I didn't even know if you were online or not. You are taking this far, far, far too personal.

I was merely predicting how this article would be commented by a group of fans.
You are not the only one who refuse to accept what even the Japanese developers themselves are trying to tell you. Heck, even when Ben, a guy everyone KNOWS share the love and affection for Japanese games and whose judgement you usually trust is telling you there *is* a problem you refuse to accept it.

It must be allowed to have just a little bit of fun with that.

But when you take off with your accusations about racism and whatnot, well that's unnecessary I think.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:04:50 PM

You and Jawknee are really trying to get on my nerves today aren't you? Neither of you appears to want to actually read, and both of you wish to make accusations about the content of my comments that are simply untrue.

Smart edit to remove your accusation against me calling someone a racist.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:34:27 PM

Yea because I have nothing better to do than try and get on your nerves. Stop playing the victim. You made a dumb accusation and I called you out on it because it was an offensive thing to say. Man up.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:44:22 PM

Excuse me Jawknee, but you're the one throwing the dumb accusations around.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:20:19 PM

I'm... What?

"Your cultural chauvinism is charmingly naive."

Who is trying to get on anyones nerve there, Highlander? What kind of "dumb accusation" is that?

Should I reply like that, I would have started talking about "your cultural idolism" who I find "uncharmingy fanatic" and "utterly in denial".

But you don't see me reply like that, do you? Instead I answer by slowly and carefully explaining that the comment was NOT directed at you in particular. No use of irony, no use of humour, and definitely not trying to get on your nerves.

You must soon start to understand that you are far, far too sensitive in these regards. You know I am not the first to tell you this. It is about time to start connecting the dots here.

Sure, I often disagree on different topics. I am not afraid of voicing the lesser popular point of view. But I am never, NEVER out to get anyone.


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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 5:50:21 AM

... But what *is* really the difference between "cultural chauvinism" and racism? Isn't it just a pseudo-intellectual way of putting it? That's how I immediately understood you. But your intense denial over the word made me retract.

However, looking it up in thefreedictionary com it is defined as "ethnocentrism", meaning
"The tendency to evaluate other groups according to the values and standards of one's own ethnic group, especially with the conviction that one's own ethnic group is superior to the other groups.",

continuing:
1) a belief in the inherent superiority of the "race" or group to which one belongs.
2) a proclivity to consider other ethnic groups in terms of one's own racial origins.

... How is that not to call someone a racist, again? And all during a discussion about poor ratings of a video game. Your frenetic denial of reality is really starting to reach psychotic heights here.


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Highlander
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 9:40:54 AM

Beamboom, I understand that English is not your first language, and I know that Norwegians in general speak Excellent English, typically with better grammar than native English speakers. But please do not try to engage in sophistry with my words.

Chauvinism is that attitude that says that something is better than some other thing. Cultural chauvinism is something that all of us are guilty of to one extent or another and has absolute crap all to do with racism. Yet again, I find myself feeling that you are taking a contrarian point of view to generate a reaction which is *nothing* more than trolling.

Like Jawknee you're trying to twist words and weasel your way into calling me a racist. Both of you are as peas in a pod, you're both offensive to the extreme.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 11:44:01 AM

Ok THAT's it. One can only put up with so much. This is enough.

*I* am trying to twist WHAT?
It's not ME who say this, it's the DICTIONARY, ffs! So you even deny the friggin' DEFINITION of the expression, try to make even THIS as something I'm just saying to provoke you? Is thefreedictionary there just to troll you too, then? The rest of the world versus the High'n'mighty? Poor you being the victim of a dictionary scam?

So, when I looked it up to see what you really meant with that remark of yours and discovered so, should I just have not responded, just taken it like a man and accepted it. Is that what you would have preferred, HIGHlander?

SOMETIMES a tad more humble attitude would suit you. Just a brief woken moment, where you could go, "ok, so I was mistaken. And I shouldn't jump straight for the guns and start throwing such insults after you.", just for once, ONCE admit something.

Offensive? Me? I can't believe my eyes. YOU talk about being offensive after having just claimed that I have, and I quote again,

1) a belief in the inherent superiority of the "race" or group to which one belongs.
2) a proclivity to consider other ethnic groups in terms of one's own racial origins.

And after that you find ME offensive?! No, "ok BB this went off the rails. Sorry, my temper got the better of me". No admittance of error *whatsoever*? Instead I TROLL you???

Do you WANT me to start trolling you? Is that what you want? Just so you can compare and see if you notice any difference?
Who knows! Maybe there will be no difference! Maybe you were completely right! Maybe I AM trolling you when I reply to your insults.
Shall we try and see? You might be right! I might be just a troll, always has been! You are usually right, aren't you?
So, wanna give it a try?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 12:17:34 PM

No more of this right here. Don't care who started it, just no more.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, March 22, 2012 @ 2:44:41 PM

B-b-but...the water in the kettle is already boiled now!

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Condemnedsoul23
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 10:54:56 AM
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I'm seeing some 3s 5s and 8s as far as reviews for this game. Never seen them that far apart before. Preordered this and now kind of nervous.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:02:24 AM

"I'm seeing some 3s 5s and 8s as far as reviews for this game."

Almost like your average user-review, right?

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:26:19 AM

Destructoid has a video review worth watching. I wish the dude on our left holding the sword would shut up, but the experienced guy is definately worth listening too. They actually talk about game play changes in more detail than most.

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Condemnedsoul23
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:04:00 AM
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Good point

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Nagi
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:06:23 AM
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I think Inafune is right when it comes to the big names and mainstream titles. But i'm still enjoying a lot of niche and underground gems, that came out this gen from Japanese developers. My collection still consist of more titles from the Eastern Hemisphere than the West.

For those of you looking for great Japanese games to play, make sure you take the chance to branch out and try different IPs if you haven't already, I'm not guaranteeing satisfaction if you do, but it might steer you in the right direction.

I think the Japanese are still innovating, still churning good games, but they are usually the ones that don't get much attention. While the titles that most gamers are familiar with...well they tend to disappoint.

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Soultaker
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:12:34 AM
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So far from what i've played of NG3 there hasn't been a move list from what I could tell and QTE's are in abundance. I do like the new wall climbing but not receiving any chests or money for upgrades or even ninpo so far is saddening for me.

The game so far has been cutscene - QTE defeat enemies - cut scene - QTE defeat enemies. Compared to the other ninja gaidens this one falls behind them most definitely.

-possible spoilers?-

Am I having fun? Yes I am but not as much as the other ninja gaidens have given me. They even teased the Muramasa shop music only to be attacked by another swarm of enemies and when you're done clearing the room you see posters on the wall that says muramasa's shop closed *sigh*

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Nagi
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 11:28:17 AM

Sounds really disappointing, the linearity turned me off in the second installment.

Don't get me wrong NG1 wasn't open world or anything, but its illusion of exploration and puzzles that it implemented really helped shake up the pace, which help preserved the fun factor of fighting enemies.

It doesn't matter how joyous something is, if its the only thing you do in a game, its going to get old eventually.

And I already made up my mind that I wasn't going to support Team Ninja's new direction when I saw enemies begging for their lives. NG used to be the only hack n' slash franchise that pride itself on aggressive enemy AI.

Unfortunately I think that was the something that kept it from getting mainstream acceptance, and that's probably what Team Ninja and Temco wanted to achieve with this installment.

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bebestorm
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 12:40:25 PM
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Yes Kenji is right because this should have easily been one of the best releases this month and one of kick ass games of the year. I've watched some of the 30 minute preview videos awhile back and knew then that the scores would be everywhere. Lame decisions were made for this title. I'll buy it when its under $30.

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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:04:00 PM
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No doubt they think they are doing a great job. Unfortunately that not what everyone else thinks. I haven't played NGIII so I cannot say anything about it. But the reviews have been very mixed.

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SirLoin of Beef
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 1:58:36 PM
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People who dislike NG3 are xenophobic. They probably kick puppies and eat babies, too.

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Shams
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:12:03 PM

So, did you take offense because you dislike NG3, or because you're xenophobic? :p

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:14:23 PM

No kidding Sir Loin, Greg Miller came to my house last night to kick my dog because my wife is Asian. XD

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SirLoin of Beef
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 2:16:26 PM

Neither actually. I've never eaten babies, either, though I have kicked a puppy before (not hard, mind you!)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:08:48 PM
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I don't have much of an opinion on this besides to say that I'm surprised.

Ninja Gaiden is an iconic and critically acclaimed franchise. To have it score so low is a shock to me and to many others, I'm sure. I do agree with Highlander's point that some reviewers really are biased against Japanese games, but in this case, I think it's pretty cut and dry.

A once great franchise that suddenly isn't so great...in fact, mediocre or even bad. And I think that's the decline Inafune was referring to.

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JDC80
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:14:59 PM
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Ninja Gaiden 3 should be at my house either tomorrow or Thursday but I did notice on Gamefly NG3 had a user rating of 3.9 but when I check a few hours later it shot up to 7.8 now it's around 7.5.
I still wished we got the game next year when it's Ninja Gaiden sigma 3 it gives team ninja a chance to see what they didn't do right with Ninja Gaiden 3 and improve it on the PS3 side.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 3:41:58 PM

I'm counting on NG Sigma 3 to happen. A re-invisioned game, improved like Black and SIgma iterations were before it. This experiement with an already hardcore following of Haysashi's was obviously a complete mistake. I hope he sees fit to recitify a series he vouched to inherit and do justice to the fans who had no choice in Itagaki's sudden departure. If they can't do it right, I'd sooner see the franchise end, sadly being remembered as a great series that got trainwrecked by misguided new leadership with a mis-calculated or poorly executed new vision. I really don't think Tecmo is in any position to not give their loyal base what they want, because they'll be pretty close to nothing otherwise.

This isn't the first time we've seen this either. Anyone remember DMC2? After the outcry the series was properly restored to it's prior greatness.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 4:02:20 PM
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Wow this thread got off track. Sad to see another Japanese franchise commit Hari Kari

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 5:13:53 PM

Yeah, I'm partly to blame, I think. I jsut gotta say this, though.

I've played about 20min of it, on hard. The good: Ryu animates and re-acts just as I expect he would and should. There's also a decent amount of depth so far. Surprisingly, a bit more than some have given it credit for.
The dash appears to stagger an enemy on impact, and air launches an enemey on counter-hit which can be followed up by a reverse take-down. awesome.
Dismemberment may be gone, per se, but characters do appear to be obliteratable after they've reached a certain amount of damage, much like NG2, being quickly dispatched once weakened, and weakened quicker on counter hit. They'll eithre be staggering from loss of blood, or having sustained prior damage. Functionally, it appears to be fine.

The bad:
The texture detail may have gone up but there's much more slowdown. it does affect game play.
the camera does get out of hand, especially with 3-5 rocket launcher men casting vollies at you.


The big change I'm sensing. Pacing. Encounters happen like those 100 man fights in NG SIgma, or like in NG2's test of valor sequences. I'm beginning to wonder if most of the game plays out like this.

It doesn't appear to deny the hardcore of solid and dynamic combat (phew)
But it probably feels too boring and mundane to the standard game player, on lower difficulties. I sense it's sin is having no middleground or backbone. It's either specifically addressing the hardcore or totally ignoring everyone inbetween, and trying to appeal to the mindless.
I think the very opening part is there to install the 2GB's of data, hence the lower looking graphics detail. Beat's that crappy looking comic intro during NGS2's install, right?
Anyway, I'm pleased so far, considering the odds. Can't wait until the kids go to bed =)
I'll shut up for now

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 5:20:13 PM

You're not to blame. You're not the one who generalized a certain segment of the population as a bunches of bigots for not liking a video game.

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pillz81
Friday, March 23, 2012 @ 1:06:13 PM

Semantics, I say! Jaw, the dead horse has come back to life and is looking to beat on you for defiling its corpse.

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 4:29:04 PM
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The game get bad reviews because it isn't a Ninja Gaiden game. The core of the NG were their hardcore game.Of course fans of the franchise aren't going to review it properly because they compare it with the past ones.

Also the fact that there's just one weapon,and the graphics/story sucks doesn't help

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Knightzane
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 4:47:09 PM
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I think NG3 is badass. People say a lot of good games are bad because of some dumb reason. Silent hill Downpour ive read that people hate it because "theres no clear goal" they must not have played sh1, 2, and 3. SH Downpour has great atmosphere and feels like a SH game. Yet people say its terrible. NG3 is already getting hate? Probably of the dumbest reasons and i honestly dont want to know what they are. I bet if NG3 was called Call of Ninja 3: Gaiden Warfare people would love it.

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Laguna
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 8:47:40 PM
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going to have to wait for Ninja Gaiden Sigma 3

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JackDillinger89
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 @ 9:20:02 PM
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I dont know why people hate on ign reviews. People hate em when there fav game gets a bad score but praise em when another of their fav franchise gets a high score. They scored silent hill downpour a very low score but also other sites did as well. They pull no punches when reviewing a game and they just now helped make me save $64. Hopefully an inevitable NG3 sigma adresses current NG3 issues. Then they will get my $64 Cuz i loved NGS 1 and 2.

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___________
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 5:24:57 AM

people hate IGN because they have ZERO consistency!
they will bake one game for something, but then praise another game for having the same thing.
how does that work?
if its a bad thing for one game, then shouldent it be a bad thing for all games?
he was whining that NG3 is walk into a room, magic walls pop up and you cant leave till everyones dead.
then once your done, you back flip jump up a wall, some platforming to another invisible walled room.
huh, i wonder why that sounds familiar......
oh thats right NG2 was EXACTLY the same!
so why did that get praised for it, and this gets condemned to the depths of hell?

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 7:37:13 AM

I think people just hate IGN because IGN is the largest one, the king of the hill. It's often like that. Same syndrome with COD.

More than )/10 IGN scores are well within the range of the final metarating. They are not inconsistent at all. There are exceptions, yes, but IGN is one of THE most predictable and reliable sources for ratings out there. That is speaking from a statistical point of view.

Sometimes, when a game is good enough, it's just silly to nit-pick on details, while other times that same detail stack up with other issues and get focus. That's just how it is.

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___________
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 9:12:00 AM

they are inconsistant.
last year most of their reviews were pretty generous, this year there really harsh.
im sorry but ninja gaiden 3, silent hill downpour, and i am alive DO NOT deserve the scores they got!
there not good games, pretty mediocre, but they certainly dont deserve the low scores they got!
IGN is one of the ONLY outlets that gave i am alive such a low score, most places were a 6 or higher.

resident evil operation racoon city another prime example.
just one of the many problems with that review, where they complained it did not have the horror atmosphere the series is known for.
of course it does not its a squad based shooter for crying out loud!
thats like complaining that red faction guerrilla is not a corridor shooter, it was never suppose to be!
just because its a RE title does not mean its suppose to be scary.
its a squad shooter, its suppose to be like L4D which is not scary!
it was never suppose to be a suspenseful scary title, so to mark it down because its not is just stupid!
you cant mark a game down for not being something it was not suppose to be!


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___________
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 5:20:59 AM
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wasnt his point that japanese developers dont make anything that would appeal to western fans?
this proves the exact opposite, thats ALL there doing!

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JackC8
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 @ 8:15:30 AM
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They're trying to make their games more appealing to the West for the sake of sales, but at the same time they look down their noses at Western gamers and think of us as a bunch of simpletons who just want to play as big testosterone-dripping macho guys shooting great big guns at everything. That sort of arrogance and intentional ignorance of a market you're trying to penetrate just doesn't work.

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Dante399
Thursday, March 22, 2012 @ 6:20:00 PM
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Such a disgrace. They'll regret making a mediocre title. Now back to my Asura's Wrath hehe

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Crabba
Friday, March 23, 2012 @ 3:34:18 AM
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I only hope that The Last Guardian will not be a future victim of this trend...

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SS4
Friday, March 23, 2012 @ 7:14:28 PM
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Meh...reviews....I'll wait to see for myself, I hate when critics goes on some trend and ppl follow like sheeps. It can make or break a game sometimes no matter whats the quality of it...

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