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Mass Effect 3 Fans: You're Not Wrong, It's Just Your Attitude

I know, I'm sorry. This topic really won't die and I'm not doing the industry any favors by beating a dead horse.

However, for the longest time, I thought the high level of emotion and general complexity of the issue was too closely related to politics, in that no solution could possibly satisfy all parties involved. It's part of the reason Ken Levine said BioWare shouldn't write a new ending because in truth, you'll never please everyone and the complaints could actually increase in number and intensity.

When things get this heated, it's probably best to just bury the issue and hope nobody ever digs it up again (even accidentally). But after I read Jessica Chobot's apology, I think I stumbled upon a light at the end of the tunnel. If you read it carefully, she's not recanting; she's not necessarily going back on her stance. She says she's still "torn," in fact. What she's apologizing for is the emotion with which she made her earlier comments that ticked off a great many ME3 fans.

And that's exactly it. I'm not going back on what I said earlier; I'm standing by that 100%. But Chobot may have inadvertently hit the nail on the head: This whole issue isn't really about unsatisfactory endings and BioWare's obligation to its fans; it's more about the original reaction. Rather than responding with civil suggestions and feedback, the fans exploded and got incredibly hostile in the blink of an eye. The demands came from everywhere and every last demand had a certain tone to it, a "do this or I won't buy your games again" tone that absolutely does reek of entitlement.

At the same time, if BioWare promised a game where the player's decision would have a significant impact on the available endings, and ultimately didn't deliver, the fans have every right to be upset. I'm still not saying BioWare should change anything (you can hearken back to my art argument, one Chobot cites as a reason why she's torn). But that right is definitely theirs; if they're annoyed, they should stand up and be counted. I honestly believe there would've been no entitlement-based articles if those complaints hadn't sounded so unbelievably whiny and childish. If they had been more informed, if there hadn't been so many knee-jerk reactions, journalists wouldn't have called them out for being spoiled babies.

So in the end, it's just that your actions were, on the surface, those of spoiled brats. You aren't "wrong" because you're certainly allowed to complain. You paid for the product and weren't happy with it. So yes, speak up. But the attitude is what prompted the wars; the attitude is likely what caused Chobot to react the way she did; the attitude is not something that helps the industry. We need to be a little more adult about our protests in the future. That's all I'm saying.

Related Game(s): Mass Effect 3

Tags: mass effect 3, me3, mass effect 3 ending, mass effect 3 fans

4/3/2012 8:53:34 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (57 posts)

PSTan
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:43:43 PM
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Having recently finished the game, I've decided to break my silence on this issue. The following is from the perspective of a big ME fan (me).

I didn't have a problem with how the game concluded. Of course, I would have preferred better closure. Ben, I completely agree with what you said here. This isn't about entitlement; it's about delivering on promises made. Fans expected one thing, but they got something else.

We as people are never going to be completely satisfied. Nothing is perfect. But when something is really good, there's an expectation that it remains consistent throughout. Therefore, it is only natural when we see something that changes what worked up to that point. If people never complained, our world would definitely be a much more different place. As gamers, we do have a certain right to be provided a good product. It's the nature of a competitive consumer market.

That being said, it is, in the end, a video game. Most fans treated this issue like it was the end of the world. What they don't realize is the effort Bipware put into ME3 to make the journey through it completely unforgettable. They couldn't see the forest for the trees. The overall quality of the product should have been enough to satisfy most.

I agree that the behavior shown by the fan base was disgraceful. Had feedback been more civil and constructive, this issue would be far less controversial than it should be. I also believe that Bioware owes their fans the ending they deserve to some degree. I fully back their decision. What upsets me, once again, was the overall response to the game.

In the end, this fiasco teaches both gamers and developers that the industry functions similarly to a contract: developers create the game they want while satisfying its consumers, and consumers learn to appreciate the game making process and give feedback to improve sequels and future games for the better.

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Mr_Sterg
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 10:21:27 PM

thumbs up

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SaiyanSempai
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 8:07:08 AM

Well said!

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ulsterscot
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:46:50 PM
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dunno about the ending - but i know when miranda died i lost the will to live ....

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Pandacastro
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 10:11:07 PM

Really?? She was pretty easy to save and I never cared about her.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:21:23 AM

There's a few things u didn't do but none of them are extremely hard to do to make sure she survives. Next time...

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Jed
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 4:07:39 AM

Would it kill you add the word "Spoiler" to the beginning of your post????

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sunspider13
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 12:52:39 PM

Gee thanks for that, haven't gotten around to playing yet. Next time "SPOLIER" would be useful to the people that haven't played yet.

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Irievibes
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 10:30:24 AM

ty for the spoiler, really, thank you for that...jerk....im just starting it after replaying 1 and 2 cuz i didnt have a save in ps3.../facepalm

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SirLoin of Beef
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:26:42 PM

While it should've been tagged as a spoiler, it isn't set in stone that she dies. Depending on how you do certain things she'll survive the encounter in ME3 that can end with her being dead.

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oONewcloudOo
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:53:22 PM
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I looked up the ending just to see what all the fuss is about and (tell me if im wrong) I dont think they ending needs to be "new" just a longer better explained ending? maybe. It would still be the same ending Bioware's story would still be theres just better told. Or am I missing the point and need to play ME3 to understand?

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Pandacastro
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 10:13:27 PM

Yup your right. But some fans would like a alternative ending too where all the decisions you made matters.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:54:10 PM
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Never understood all the craziness surrounding the ending of Mass Effect 3 myself. It was out of left field sure and left me with a quiet moment, but overall it was epic and who didn't see what was going to happen. There is just no way a small Galaxy was going to end up happily saving the universe from sentient synthetic beings that have lived for millions upon millions of years without having done what it did. People expect way to much these days. Though I am still curious to see what Bioware does this month with ME3. I love Mass Effect.

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 10:30:44 PM
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I agree that some fans' reactions were a tad too much. I would like to think that there are fans who are mature enough to express their disappointment about the conclusion in a constructive way.

That said, how fans reacted is pretty much a testament to what the Mass Effect franchise has become. Sure, it is not everybody's cup of coffee (or tea). But you have to be absolutely mental not to give credit where it is due.

It is for that same reason why there have been a lot of very harsh comments about the ending. Bioware promised a lot to the fans before the game came out but they failed to deliver on them.

Despite that, I still love the game. I loved the journey even if the destination was somewhat disappointing.

Hackett out.

(Errrm, I mean, peace out.)

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Pandacastro
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 10:33:19 PM
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Ben did you read the article she was apologizing for? I can't find it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 11:26:24 PM

I only heard about it, but I got the gist.

Again, emotion responding to emotion, I think.

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Pandacastro
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 11:50:26 PM

http://i.imgur.com/AzjzD.png
Found a pic of it online. Its at the end where everyone got pissed.

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telly
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 2:08:46 PM

Wow, that's it? That's what gamers nailed her to a cross for? Jeez, talk about a disproportionate response...

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ulsterscot
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 12:27:24 AM
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I have to say - the ending still makes more sense than the ending to Lost - if you want to complain about an ending ....

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telly
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 2:09:51 PM

Seriously! Like, there's no way we haven't all seen WAY worse endings than this, and all those times we collectively shrugged our shoulders, maybe made a point to grumble on the internet, and then we went on with our lives.

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SkaldFish
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 12:46:08 AM
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Your point -- that complaints should have been raised in a civil and adult manner -- is well taken. The problem is that you have lumped all those who took issue with the ending into one group, declaring that "every last demand" (even though certainly not everyone "demanded" action) smacked of entitlement.

If we want more mature, civil discussion on such issues, I think we all have to play fair. And you aren't.

You don't have to look very hard to find a very large number of very civil, well-reasoned cases made by commenters and blogging customers objecting to the ending's overall lack of quality and departure from the narrative context of the trilogy.

Those tens of thousands of calm but firm comments are not demanding anything. They are expressing the consumers' dissatisfaction with a product they purchased, and expecting the product's vendor to respond. They know that they have no power with which to "demand" anything, and they know that the response of the vendor is completely up to the vendor.

It makes no rational sense to characterize consumer dissatisfaction as being another case of that new, pejorative definition of "entitlement." A consumer is perfectly entitled to product satisfaction, just as the vendor is entitled to reject or ignore the objection. In doing so, though, the vendor must weigh the impact of its decision on brand trust and potential revenue. Acknowledging the problem and promising action is in no sense "caving" to a "demand." Vendors call it "product improvement." Gaming industry pundits call it "an affront to artistic integrity." Come now. Negative response to a product that motivates the vendor to correct the problem is not a symptom of some new "slippery slope" that foretells the end of the world as we know it. To imply this is the worst kind of fear mongering.

Don't invalidate the issue itself -- and insult the whole of the user community who raised the issue -- by linking both to the improper reaction of some.

Finally, I would point out that many gaming industry journalists -- most in the beginning -- had precisely the same immature, knee-jerk reactions to the complaints, no matter how they were expressed. This abusive response, which you can still see for yourself by looking through comment areas on sites like IGN, only served to ratchet the emotion up several more notches.

This hasn't been pretty -- no doubt about it. But the original complaint must not be lost in the debris, and most of the ME3 consumers who spoke out should be commended for the constructive manner in which they presented their complaints. They, like you, had no control over how some of their peers responded.



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Shiva369
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 5:01:12 AM

I've been lurking a little on the BioWare social forums of late and can tell you most of the comments are pretty reasonable. Pissed off, yes, entitled? That's a bit harsh.
We were promised choices and such and got Red Green or Blue, which amounts to not a lot.
The things you do and say all through the series are pretty much ignored, or at least distilled into an ending that feels like two different shades of grey.
It feels like a non-ending to me.

Edit: I'm fully agreeing with SkaldFish, btw, just wanted to be clear there. Should've just made my own comment in hindsight :-)

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xenris
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 8:03:29 AM

Yeah I agree. There was a lot of fans reacting terribly to this with a lot of emotion attached to it.

However I think they were the minority honestly, as I saw a lot more people actually pointing out what was "wrong" with the ending whether it was terrible writing, an obvious dream sequence which meant that the game didn't actually end, or the fact that we got an ending ripped from deus ex.

The other problem with games is some people keep calling it "art" but the gaming company sells it as and indeed calls it a "product" so its really hard to treat it like art, when it is being sold and marketed like a product with plans of future revenue on that product ie DLC.

When you are promised things from your product up until the day it is released and it doesn't deliver, well the consumer has every right to get upset and obviously when people get upset emotions will get involved its almost impossible to avoid.

I think both sides the people who thought they deserved more, and the side that thought it should be left alone are equally to blame for this war.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:52:05 AM

That's false, SkaldFish. I'm sorry, but it is. While there were plenty of voices of reason, they were easily drowned out by the first headlines bashing BioWare and Mass Effect 3. I'm not talking about what was going on in the forums and communities; that isn't visible enough. I'm talking about the fans who posted articles on their blogs and what-have-you that dominated the "news."

That's what journalists were responding to, because that's what everyone saw. You can say such reactions were in the minority if you like, but the fact of the matter is, that reaction was seen by 99% of people alive in the aforementioned headlines and outrageously childish and hostile articles and additional comments. You can take issue with the fact that the hostile crap got all the attention and the level-headed stuff didn't, but that's the way the Internet world works.

The fans started this. Not the journalists. And the only "fear mongering" is coming from those who believe they can dictate art, which is the only truly frightening aspect behind all this. The fans REMAIN high-and-mighty on this issue, and I have very little respect for any of them because of their attitude. That's where I, and many others, come out.

P.S. You may also notice in these comments that several people have had zero problem with the ending(s). You may ALSO notice that just about everyone agrees the fan behavior was absolutely disgusting.

Xenris: Equally to blame? Right. As if any journalist anywhere would've responded to, "Well, I think BioWare could've served us better." No, they were responding to, "BioWare sucks, ME3 sucks, and I'm such a selfish prick I want them to fix it now for free."

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xenris
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:20:03 PM

Ban, what I meant was that both sides got really emotional over everything.

I saw journalists lump summing all the people who weren't satisfied with the ending, and calling everyone entitled cry babies. Mainly Colin Moriarty from IGN.

We need to look at the real issue with the ending. Its not frightening that the consumer is dictating what they want from their product. In fact this is what companies base a lot of their decisions on. Consumers were promised certain things and after paying for their product they didn't see that promise fulfilled.

Games are an art form, but they are also an interactive entertainment product, thats main purpose is to make money, thats why I find it hard to call games flat out "art."

P.S. I am aware that there are small indy games that truly are artistic projects Journey being the most recent I have played. But games coming from the big publishers seem more and more concerned about money and how to increase profits, and thats when I stop calling games art.

Ben please don't see this as a corporate evil rant its not. Its just where I draw the line between what games are art, and what games are more of a product.

All in all, though I agree it was terrible attitude from the vocal and loud fans that caused this whole thing to escalate. But I saw bad attitudes on both sides of the fence.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 8:13:08 PM

Maybe one of the reasons the ME3 fans aren't getting any respect at all is because they attempt to browbeat anyone who doesn't agree with them into submission.

You haven't once passed up the opportunity to explain to people how they're wrong. Let it...the hell...GO.

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xenris
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 8:13:43 AM


I'll stop discussing this, I feel like your getting hostile towards me again.

I was only trying to explain when I think games stops becoming art and the consumers role in things nothing more.

I also don't think its wrong for fans/consumers to demand what they were promised from there art/product.



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xenris
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 10:04:21 AM

Also it looks like the ending is just an extension. Its coming this summer sometime and it will be free. Its just to explain things and add closure.

I'm shocked that it is free though :=\

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aaronisbla
Friday, April 06, 2012 @ 6:43:16 AM

Completely agree with skaldfish here. And sometimes, i wish the writers on some sites wouldn't get so up in arms and hostile over responses...

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:37:06 AM
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I really am enjoying the game, love the story, basically the same system as ME2; gather and recruit, save the world and universe. But still very good.

My major complaint in ME3 probably won't be the ending, as many of my friends actually say it's just fine. I feel more comfortable listening to them than reading forums. But rather my complaint lies in the complexity of the dialogue and choices. I understand this is a trilogy and I think it's awesome the way they have been able to carry stuff from game to game. But therein lies my issue:

****SPOILER****SPOILER********SPOILER****SPOILER****

I just helped the Quarians get there homeworld back and while destroying the reaper, trying to settle the war between te Quarians and Geth. Anyways you get some dialogue and it boils down to either saving the Quarians or saving the Geth. Well my problem is, there is a way to save both and settle the war between them and ultimately get both on your side to fight against the reapers. But you have had to do numerous things going back to ME1 and for the PS3 owners that's not only impossible, but even for those who were able to import saves on PC or 360, one little choice screws this all up, and u don't get the paragon choice to settle and bring peace between them. That's just a little too complex, really, for a game where the point is to gather the galaxy to help fight a war! And it's really frustrating that races you've come to love are being wiped out because of the same reason!

****END SPOILER****END SPOILER********END SPOILER****END SPOILER****

So all in all I can see if I'm frustrated now why some fans might be a little perterbed if the ending follows suite.



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Pandacastro
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 3:46:10 AM

SPOILER*



??? I play on ps3 and I save both. Did you to both sidequest on rannoch?Save the admiral and enter the geth mind? Did tali or legion die in me2? Were they both loyal in ME2? Did you gave away legion in ME2? In tali's loyal mission what happen to her? Was she exile, gave the evidence to the courth, or blame it on the admiral that wanted peace? You don't need ME1 to save both . Who did you choose?



SPOILER*

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:18:59 AM

I'll give it another shot, I saved before starting the missions so I'll do a few things different and see. Sounds to me though there's no real clear way to do this, just that you are able to.

I saved the Quarians, because of their large fleet.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:45:50 AM
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This Jessica gal really strikes me as being ridiculously self centered and not able whatsoever to see things from other perspectives than her own.

The way she replies to the criticism in the comment field, quoting, "For one, you don't have to invite me on your ship. Problem solved. If you DO invite me on, you don't have to go visit me. Problem solved. If you do decide to visit me, you can kick me off at anytime. Problem solved."
Her entire comment was not really responding to what the original complaint was about *at all* (found on page two in the comments field). Furthermore, how can the gamer know what they miss out on, or lose by kicking her off or rejecting her? It's not how it works at all.

Geez, what a moron, sorry.


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telly
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:28:48 AM

She's nuts, man. I elaborate on my feelings on her below.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:40:32 AM

I'd love to read your post but I've barely started on ME3 and am desperately trying to avoid reading any kind of spoilers. I've not even read Bens ME3 review yet, and skip every comment I suspect might contain any words about ME3. :D

But yeah, but from what this girl writes she sounds to be extremely uncharming, to put it mildly.

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telly
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:00:32 AM

Good for you! Steer clear of spoilers and decide for yourself. Look forward to hearing your thoughts once you play through it.

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JackDillinger89
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 2:20:06 AM
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Mass Effect 3 has lots of issues not just related to the ending but still its a great game worth a purchase.

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Pandacastro
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 3:53:17 AM
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Okay if anyone wants to know how to kill dianne allers all you have to do is kick her out of your ship before the last mission. You know which one when you get there. Later you'll here a radio saying what happens to her.

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Shiva369
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 4:53:51 AM

You can also have your wicked way with her then toss her aside like the dirty tramp she is...if you want.

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___________
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 4:49:19 AM
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fans are just sick and tired of developers taking a short cut and ruining their games, so i cant blame them for being a little agro.
especially when they talk so much bull sh*t.
promise so many things.
then never deliver on any of it.
then how the hell are people suppose to react?
as ive said many times bioware really f*cked themselves with this.
not only because it was a really disappointing game, but mainly because its the ending to a trilogy.
how can they fix it now?
go back and erase the endings with new ones?

especially after reading the claims of a writer for bioware if true it just really stinks and is quite obvious how bioware rushed the game to get it out forsaking story.
and even after having lead writers warn them saying this makes no sense we have to go back and review it.
no its fine just release it!
its really disgusting how many developers out there just dont give a sh*t about their games!
what ever happened to having pride in your work?
i really really thought bioware were better then that, that they would never release something unless their 100% happy with it.
clearly i was wrong.
:(

so of course fans are going to request changes otherwise they wont buy any more of the companies games, were paying for the games and might i add handsomely, and there not even finished properly!
so how the hell are fans suppose to react?
you have to understand people only understand one thing these days.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
if you sent bioware 10 million letters saying hi bioware we loved your game but the ending sucked please change it.
you really think they would consider changing it?
of course not!
but when your a little harsher and say improve it or im not buying any more of your games, then your talking the only language they understand and might listen.
developers have just become far too greedy this gen!
gone are the days where developers made games to put a creative vision out there.
gone are the days where developers would delay a game for years if they were unhappy with its quality.
now its get it out, its the deadline who cares if its not finished just get it out there!
makes me wonder what the ^%$# the extra 3 months or so were spent doing.....
id hate to see what ME3 was like if it actually released when it was suppose to late last year, i mean did they really put 3 months worth of improvements in?
i find that VERY hard to believe!

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Kall555
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 5:47:14 AM
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After three epic games that have offered me hours of interesting story, characters & brilliant gameplay. I am sure i can get over a 10 minute ending which really wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I swear i could visualise uber nerds in cosplay-made Tali helmets breaking their keyboards & air punching in anger over an ending they didn't approve of.

Sure people have the right to complain, but this fanbase tantrum & in the manner it was in was just embarrassing imo. Anyway the fans are getting their ending with closure now, so maybe we can dry the tears & move on, eh? :)

Videogames are serious business.

On a side note, Jack with hair = win.

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telly
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:21:18 AM
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1) I thought the ending was just fine. Not my favorite of all time, but as with Mass Effect 2, which had a NUMBER of post-release DLC story chapters that furthered that game's story, tied up loose ends, and set up the premise for ME3, it was completely clear to me that BioWare intended to give us "epilogue" dlc for ME3. I trust everyone screaming at the top of their lungs over "needing" to pay more money for the "real" ending did the same thing with ME2. Moreover, people are making all sorts of weird assumptions about what happened "off-camera." So while I agree wholeheartedly that anyone who actually protests a game's ending needs to do so in a "mature way" -- as maturely as someone can actually complain on internet message boards about video game endings, that is -- let's not forget the complaints are frankly unfounded. I know bad endings. I watched the Matrix trilogy, for God's sake. Mass Effect 3 does not have a bad ending.

2) Jessica Chobot, obviously, is the "cute girl at IGN who actually cares about video games," has a following in no small part because of the "cute girl" part, and was CLEARLY put in the game to pander to a certain segment of fans. I find it ludicrous and offensive that she takes offense at the fan who points this out. I admit his language is nasty, but Chobot's response indicates she is absolutely SHOCKED AND APPALLED at being accused leveraging her sexiness to earn a spot in the game.

*MINOR SPOILERS* You can SLEEP with Chobot's likeness in the game! But sex appeal isn't a big part of her purpose in the game?! Come on!!!

Mind you, I thought it was a riot you could recruit her ME3 persona to basically be an intergalactic IGN personality -- she literally promises to provide favorable coverage of Shepard and his crew in exchange for access!!!! Clearly, BioWare gets the joke (as does Chobot, I'm sure) that this is pretty much IGN's (well-earned) reputation around the game industry. But it is OBVIOUSLY no accident any number of the decidedly less sexy males at IGN did not get to appear in the game.

End rant! (and END MINOR SPOILERS)

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:01:26 AM
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I read that article about Chobot and I disliked her and those ME pricks fanboys are so damn unlikeable too.For once I'm happy they got a crap ending, now man up! is just a game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:20:31 AM

"man up! is just a game"

Easy for you to say. But journalists aren't allowed to say it...

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:41:56 AM

xD!!!

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DjEezzy
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:19:24 AM
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I've seen many an intereview with jessica chobot and she's quite the informed individual when it comes to games. She's definitely hot as hell, but she's no idiot when it comes to games. People just can't get past the fact that women can game, and dare i say it... know more than men when it comes to games. Anyways, i'd say she has a right to be appalled if someone is trying to call her out for using her appearance as leverage. Would you like it if someone was calling you for something you aren't doing? Or if people just assumed you were trying to use your looks to your advantage. I mean really where do people get off. Ever heard of respect?

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:51:49 AM

Good looking people are more bound to success is no brainier,so obvious why she was chosen shes into the gaming business and looks good.

Sad to say something like that is still considered special but with so many male rage-gamers I doubt things are going to change.



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DjEezzy
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:24:09 AM
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true oxvial but that doesn't mean you automatically discount someone because they're pretty. regardless of whatever stereotypes there are in regards to pretty people. Again, Chobot knows alot about games no matter how pretty she is. I used to watch her on epileptic gaming with djwheat and she's very informed on many types of genres of games. Yes she's beautiful but she's also smart. You're completely right that male rage-gamers flood the gaming market but that does not mean that everyone should act the same way and disrespect a woman who has paid her dues to be in this business. I find that "ludicrous and offensive to be honest" as someone else said so frankly. I mean what the hell, are we back in the 1920's where women weren't treated equal? I think some of the Male Rage-Gamers need to take chobot on in WoW or any other game for that matter. Then again... Maybe not. They may just get embarassed by a real gamer and hate woman even more. LOL

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 12:29:37 PM

yes she really know about gaming, I'm not a fan of her for personal reasons but those people flaming her asking and blaming why she's on the game are awful.No girl deserve that treat isn't like if she directed the ending of ME3 or her character ruined the plot.

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Laguna
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:52:28 PM
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I hope they never make a Mass Effect 4 now.

Its like Mass Effect 3 is the embodiment of negativity in gaming, people are just so angry, mad and hostile about it.

Not just the fans too...but the fans started it.

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oldmike
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 6:34:00 PM

if you played the game you whoud know thats why some are mad

It ends in such a way there can be no more ME games

i realy feel most of you dont get it as this is a PS3 fan site

as far as chobot whats gets fans mad is shes in the game and IGN was the 1st big game site to attack the upset fans
many think its IGN staying on game makers good side for more favors same whoud have happen if the lady from X-play was in the game and thay attacked the gamers

PS If you dont know whats going on then you have no place talking about it

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Oxvial
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:08:29 PM

:facepalm: I'm happy I don't get it like the ME fanboys.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 3:40:09 PM
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You have to make as big a stink as possible to get things done. If people had say "my my, this ending isn't what I was promised. I believe I'll have a word with my friends at Bioware during the next country club meeting" it would never become an issue.

Nobody wanted something for nothing, they wanted the game to just continue to do what it was already doing. The message is what matters, not the words people use when getting carried away.

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Maruf
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 3:47:26 PM
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You can't please everyone. That is how the world is. I hope they change nothing as that can make things worse.

Entertainment is not always about making people happy or happy endings. It is about the impact and this is probably the biggest impact in gaming history.

Yes, I was upset to see that my choices did not matter in the end but after a while I became so much more impressed that they managed to get to the heart of what the game's story is really about.

After seeing all this nonsense online I hope bioware delayed the release by a month or so to tweak the ending, not change it. But that's all. As far as the ending goes, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Just imagine what if they decide make a mass effect game that takes place another 100 years after the final events of mass effect 3. They could make 3 entirely different games based on each of the 3 outcomes of mass effect 3.

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xenris
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 6:45:37 PM

One they wouldn't make three different games because thats not cost effective and we know how cost effective EA tries to be.

Two, the endings all result in the same thing pretty much the end of the galaxy when you think about all of the mass relays blowing up stranding people on planets, and if the Arrival DLC is to be taken as canon which it is, then each mass relay explosion would decimate the star system it was in.

So if this is the actually ending, and its not a dream sequence, then either way you look at it, the galaxy is absolutely doomed. THIS is why people thought the ending was stupid, among a list of other things.

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Shiva369
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:38:02 PM
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Maybe certain journos should just get over the rudeness of a minority of fans and concentrate more on what the majority of fans are saying. The problems with ME3 as it shipped are not minor ones.
For series that is all about story, ending it with plot holes you could comfortably fly a Reaper through is like Activision shipping MW3 with broken MP.
For all the potty mouthed brats spewing hate at poor old BioWare, there are quite a few journos who should know better *cough Kotaku cough* telling us to just suck it up and get over it.

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Noel_Kreiss
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 1:55:13 AM
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Another beautifully composed article Ben. I agree with your opinion as a whole. Furthermore, the wording chosen for the cause 'we DEMAND (I stress the word demand)a better ending' is a bit of a heavy term to use. As mentioned in your article, they have the right to be mad about the ending, and rightfully so in fact, but by having fans advise others to ban and stop buying EA games as a result of this is, for a lack of better words, self-indulgent. Here is to hoping that this cause: https://www.facebook.com/FinalFantasyTheEraOfDisappointments will not follow the same pathway and be more diplomatic. But judging by their posts, they are very professional and will not.

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