Diablo III Backlash: This Is Why I Can't Stand PC Gaming

Clamedeus
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 9:41:50 PM
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I have a copy of Icewindale somewhere, not sure what I did with it though.. I liked that game.

I also want to get into PC gaming, I made the mistake of buying a Laptop when I had the money to get a desktop, I liked the freedom of the laptop but it wasn't for me though, I should of went with the Desktop, poor decision on my end, now this Laptop is crap, USB's are broken on it. When I get more money I'm going to try and ask my brothers friend about helping me build a PC for me. I can get parts for free depending on what it is.

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Axe99
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:20:33 PM

PC gaming is fun, but there are a lot of people on the PC side who talk up their platform when, in the vast majority of cases (these days), it's just console gaming with a mouse/kb. Back in the 90s, PC gaming lead console development in many cases, but outside a number of relatively niche areas, it's in large part the other way around these days (as piracy means there's more money in console gaming, and strangely enough, developers like to get paid!)

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Clamedeus
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:21:56 AM

I'm going to play Battlefield 3 and some PC Exclusive games, I want to play some MMORPG's though on PC.

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Axe99
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:35:26 PM

Aye, word is that BF3 on PC is much better than console (as long as you can stand mouse/kb controls), and if you're looking at MMOs, PC is where it's at (LOTRO and WoW are the only two I've tried - if your a LotR fan, LOTRO is deffo worth a look).

Lots of great indie stuff as well - some quality old-school dungeon crawlers have been released recently. And strategy games - lots of em :) - which is my main poison on it.

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Geobaldi
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 9:50:49 PM
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Other then that first day when servers were getting crammed, and which was to be expected anyway, the game has worked perfectly since then as I'm just getting into Act 3. Was I upset that first day, yes slightly, but I knew it was coming with all the world trying to play at one time. But I'm enjoying the game more then any other one out currently, since the servers have been fixed. People can hate all they want, the game is great.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:50:08 AM

That's fine and dandy.

Based on what everyone else is reading, things are hardly going smoothly. ...PC fans tend to gloss over whatever they can to make things seem right as rain, I have to say.

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Geobaldi
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:30:46 AM

All those problems were primarily the first day. Those that are complaining now just haven't tried it since then, and some have even stated that. It's also primarily confined to US servers. As I played on foreign servers just fine when the US servers were down.

And console fans do their share of glossing over problems as well, so it's not just limited to PC fans ;P This instant gratification era we live in nowadays isn't helping either.

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coverton341
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:48:49 AM

I have to agree with Geobaldi here. And in doing so have to shine a light on a problem. When something like the day one server issues go wrong, people freak out and then continue to complain about it ad nauseum, even when there is no problem left. The Asia and Europe servers have been up with no issues and the America servers had a three hour issue on the night of after launch after the day one issues happened.

Let's not forget that server and hacking issues can happen on a console and we saw that quite clearly with the whole PSN hacking fiasco that kept the PSN down for a good long while.

Ben, you admittedly haven't kept up with the issues pertaining to Diablo 3, and that is perfectly fine. You don't like PC gaming any more, and that too is perfectly fine. To each their own, I say. But, you especially should know that just because there is noise on the net about an issue, does not make that issue true. Were there day one issues? Undoubtedly. Was I pissed about it? You bet your ass I was. Am I now enjoying the game? 100% yes.

But, to your point about always-on internet requirements, I whole heartedly agree with you, it's effing stupid for a mainly single player game, and I am angry about that decision. I am also angry at Ubi for that inclusion in ACII or which ever one had it. They have since done away with it and that is a nice thing.

But, all in all, I just want to say that PC is still a great medium for gaming just as much so as consoles in my opinion, and I know that you will vehemently disagree with that, and again, that's fine. To each their own. I love gaming of all varieties be it on PS3, 360, or PC....just can't get behind the Wii.

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Axe99
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:40:16 PM

I totally agree that PC is as good a medium for gaming as console, but I _also_ agree that PC-only gamers tend to overlook the deficiencies of their platform to paint it in a more favourable light vis-a-vis consoles. Of course, all three 'sides' of the console world do it to each other as well, but PC gamers are the only ones that tend to claim that PC gaming is a class above, when it is so obviously not if you play both (which I do, and a fair bit of). And I totally jive with where Ben's coming from - listening to PC elitists go on is pretty painful. Listening to them calling themselves hardcore is cringeworthy.

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Mounce
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 12:55:46 PM

Oh no, it definitely isn't 'Okay' right now even.

Every time I hop on, I get server lag that makes my latency range from 400 to 1600 -_- while every other game server I check on steam are all under 100 which are smooth as hell.

That, and my achievements were erased and were a problem as well. Login problems were for thousands of issues regarding Error 3006 and 3007 that dropped you out of your game for no reason and for reasons of giving your Templar Merc a Shield or something like that.

That and yesterday I got dropped out of my 'Single player game' 5 times without warning and that wasn't via my own internet problems, that and they 'rolled back servers' which would drop you out of your Single player game which of course isn't single player because SP requires their servers as well, their DRM screws over the consumers as a means of simply trying to prevent piracy :\ And when the rollbacks happened for me? they only gave 4 minute warnings, in which I wasn't even near a warp portal or check point annnnd it of course removed my progress.....

All of this would be avoidable, if we all weren't forced to go on Servers.... since SP doesn't exist...

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Mounce
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 1:03:39 PM

Also, this image summarizes the servers:

http://nowgamer.net-genie.co.uk/siteimage/scale/0/0/328719.gif

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matt99
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:08:54 PM
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The point you make about the game needing to work on day one I totally agree with. Games should work from day 1! Patches are for minor issues like a game occasionally freezing at one point or something, not for fixing game ending glitches.

As my Dad always says: if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:10:59 PM
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I hope everyone learned something about "always-online" games.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:37:10 PM

Ubisoft comes to mind.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:28:41 AM

Why a single player game NEEDS an online connection is just beyond me!

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___________
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:04:21 AM

online only because its the easiest way to keep a eye on what people are doing.
if your offline than its much easier to pirate the game, or install mods or whatever else.
not exactly going to stop it, but it certainly helps slow it!
i can understand why they have done it, especially with the auction house thing which could be a real issue.
if people are offline than they could install mods to exploit that and gain unfair advantages over others so when you think about it online only is the easiest sure fire way to fix problems.

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Temjin001
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:17:12 PM

btw, I didn't realize Diablo 3 required an always online connection. That sucks hardcore. Hopefully this generates enough outrage that Blizzard unteathers it. I have yet to play through a a Diablo game. The dungeon crawl RPG's have always had a hard time holding my interests.

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TechSmurfy
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 10:13:51 PM

Yeah, so if I didn't pay my phone bills and stopped using the internet in general, I wouldn't be able to play a game I PAID for? Awesome.

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allDFlavors
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:17:45 PM
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I did actually bother getting Diablo 3. The game itself is pretty great... aside from the 4-5 hours of server downtime yesterday, and random server drops yesterday and today. I have a pretty deep hatred of this whole "always online" game style, especially when I don't bother playing multiplayer 95% of the time. In short, it's been sheer ridiculousness.

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The Real Deal
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:19:14 PM
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@Ben: Love articles like this, pure, absolute, personal opinions on a subject. Its the reason I keep coming back to PSXExtreme! You have every right to feel outraged by the lack of media surrounding these launch issues. I mean SWTOR (Justified), MA3, Tera; all had a blitz of media surrounding there debacle.

This is another example of a company taking advantage of its audience. They know from past experiences and tests that a large portion of the gaming community, will shell out large amounts of money as long as the brand name is there.

I mean we can talk about the server issues, till we choke to death. The real problem here is the fact that so much has been left out, PvP, Real Money Auctions, and some other ancillary stuff. These things were all presented to the media, the consumer as a selling point. This same media blitz can be seen with the likes of SWTOR; promises that are only fulfilled later down the road.

So how can a company do this and get away with it, because they have done it in the past and have succeeded. Diablo or Blizzard or more importantly Activision is a Brand now. With the likes of Heinz, M&M'S to use a few. It doesn't matter what they are selling now, people want it and will wait for it. Wait for it in development or after they bought it, they trust in the brand and what the brand says.

If the brand is having problems the consumer understands and accepts those problems as there own. A brand would never mislead a consumer, it couldn't; it has giving us what we wanted! Bioware is not a brand, Blizzard / Activision is; and that's why the two are not treated equal.

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CaptRon
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:32:36 PM
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It has its problems, but it's a pretty damn good game. As far as I know you haven't even played it yet...

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:03:39 AM

None of the comments made require playing. He never addresses gameplay issues, story aspects, or anything you would need first hand experience to have an opinion about. Something like "server issues" and "game ending bugs" are objective facts that don't require experience to know.

I mean, I've never smoked, been apart of a smoking study, nor conducted any research of any kind, but I still know it's bad for you. You can't say I don't know that just because I've never had direct experience with it.

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evilmunkie
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 10:36:14 PM
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I once gave a friend of mine a PC game, it hadn't been too long since it came out but it did have afew patches since it was released. Yeah, it sounded like a real pain to go out looking for every single patch it had and to check if was even safe to download from the sites you find it on. I felt kinda bad for making him look up crap for an hour or two before he could play it, not counting downloading. I don't think I would want to put up with that crap every time I delete a game to make space on the HDD, or for any reason. As for always on DRM, yeah keep that crap away from my consoles. Does anyone else here think that making consoles more like a pc is just making it more hacker-friendly?

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556pineapple
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:00:23 PM
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I don't know if you can really use Blizzard as a prime example when talking about PC game life cycles. They have a tendency to take their sweet time. Especially with WoW; that game was ready for a sequel a couple years ago, but they keep adding expansion packs. Oh well, people still play it, I guess. As for Half-Life 3, Valve has come out with 2 expansions to HL2, Portal, Portal 2, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, and Team Fortress 2 since HL2 came out, so they've been pretty active.

The development-end aside, I've discovered that, online anyway, nearly all of the PC gamers I've encountered are the most obnoxious beings on the face of the planet. They're so ******* smug and act superior to consoles, when the fact remains that we've been using the same hardware for nearly 6 years, and the quality continues to steadily improve. Sure, the hardware is a bit outdated by this point, but I'm not really a graphics whore. The PS3 exclusives are more than enough for me.

Conversely, most PC gamers I know in person are quite friendly and cool about the whole thing. Most of them also have consoles and realize the benefits of having both. I've been wanting to get into PC gaming for a while now, but I can't really justify the price right, especially already owning my PS3. My next computer needs to be more suited for high quality audio production anyway as that will be more use professionally.

Alright, I'm done ranting now.

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Axe99
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:24:27 PM

Yeah - it's the PC-only gamers that give PC gaming a bad name. Everyone I know who does both console and PC is balanced, and knows both have their place. PC gaming can be a lot of fun, and a mouse/kb is a perfectly legitimate control choice (but _not_ more hardcore - if anything, it's an easier to use experience for most genres, and since when was easier to use more hardcore?) But console gaming in most genres (shooters, RPGs, racers) is just as deep and engaging. Ironically, when it comes to PC games that are hardcore, and unlike anything you can get on console, most of the PC Snobs don't play 'em anyways! No skin off my nose, those PC-only snobs only embarrassing themselves ;).

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:40:43 AM

556pineapple

You should meet a friend of mine.

PC gamer. Big guy, believes EVERYTHING is better on PC.

Works in IT and knows how to get around software restrictions.

Pays $120 per month for his unlimited diamond package internet connection.

He THINKS Crysis is the best looking game ever made. He shrugged of Uncharted 3 AND God of War 3!! He refused to believe that he MIGHT like these games if they were also on PC.

He often cheats and dominates in multiplayer PC games, and concentrates more on winning than having fun.

He hates Rock Band, Singstar and anything Sony related. He did tolerate Lips and Dance Central, heck, I've even got a video of him dancing to Lady Gaga!!

You should all meet him. Anti-Sony, PC elitist, MS lover, debate team champion, gym junky, heavy drinker, loud and always right. Bought a 360 for several friends' birthdays in an attempt to pursuade them to worship Halo and Gears. PSXextreme and my friend would get along SOOOO well!!!! :P

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:35:50 AM

Dancemachine,
Unreflected, elitist fanboys are annoying regardless of platform. I know of several console fans that are both loud mouthed, elitist and are "always right" too. In fact, everyone that hangs around on this site should know of at least a couple. :)

For me personally it's equally annoying regardless if they represent "my" platform/genre/brand/whatever or not.

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:05:20 AM

Nothing is so loudmouthed as insulting generalizations and fingerpointing at anonymity, eh Beamboom?

:p

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:24:32 AM

That one went straight over my head, Under. Woosh :D

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coverton341
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:25:26 AM

Weird, I go to the gym everyday save Saturday. I work in the computer industry. I own a 360, PS3, and a very nice gaming PC. I have a $129 internet connection. I think with the right hardware a PC port can look drastically better than on consoles. But here is where the weird part comes in; I love Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, and a whole lot of other PS3 exclusives.

I almost felt offended there.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:24:34 PM

"loud and always right" being a gym junky and heavy drinker don't fit together.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:36:21 PM

You'll be surprised Alexander!

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:16:06 PM

if he's a heavy beer drinker kind of person, I just can't see that ever happening being a gym junky.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 2:13:09 AM

Not beer, he hates the stuff.

Whisky, on the other hand... (he claims there's no carbs in whisky)

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Qubex
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:06:50 PM
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I am cool either way; as long as the game is good and the execution is superlative in game play and graphics I am happy to try it...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Hynad
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:07:29 PM
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This article reminds me of The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

But, oh, wait... This is supposed to only apply to PC gaming.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:04:15 AM

You're talking about Japanese developers who are at least as guilty at long development times as PC devs.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:52:11 AM

The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy Versus XIII are both technically new IPs rather than sequels in established franchises, and if either comes out in the next five damn years, they'll still beat a number of PC sequels.

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Hynad
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:30:19 AM

Ico... Nico... Trico...

Same franchise.

Same as a [main numbered] Final Fantasy or a Super Mario, which don't have any real ties between titles, but are still considered sequels.

At least, please try to hide your double standards.

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Cole
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:37:29 AM

The Last Gaurdian is a rather poor example as it was only announced three years ago at E3 2009.

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Hynad
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:49:13 AM

"Existence of the game was first hinted in a January 2008 job listing on Sony Japan's corporate website, which depicted a single screenshot of the upcoming third Team Ico title for the PlayStation 3 and advertised open positions for the development team."

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:07:59 AM

Hynad, even if it has been 4 years for TLG, it still doesn't equate to Diablo 3's 12 year in-between. Hense Ben's 5 years and it would still beat some PC sequels. lol

As for FF, the last FF to release was this year... so....

Not sure what you're arguing here exactly...

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karneli lll
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:24:12 PM
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Cant really blame them for the mandatory internet connection to play the game,piracy left them no choice.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:43:39 AM

I wonder if they knew how many sales they lost from the "always on" internet requirement, compared to the number of sales lost from pirated copies.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:48:57 AM

HAHA!!! Piracy is NEVER stopped! It is only delayed or slowed. You can never contain piracy. Diablo III will be cracked with a fake server patch. The game will then be mass pirated.

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:09:28 AM

@DanceMachine
Based on how Diablo 2 is played, I doubt many refused to buy it because of the always connected piece. Even if you could be offline, it's the type of game that benefits the player more to be online.

But I agree... I hate the need to be online for a SP portion...

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:46:27 AM

Piracy is a gigantic threat against the entire PC platform as a gaming platform. It's no laughing matter and all, and their work against that should be supported. Even by console gamers.

What PC today isn't online when you turn it on anyway? I really don't find the online requirement to be a big issue at all. It's mildly annoying, yes. But compared to the *reason* why it's there I think it's 100% OK. Just like I will defend surveillance cameras to fight crime too.

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firesoul453
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 10:25:06 PM

No!
Piracy will still exist, and the people who pirate it now have a better version!

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Axe99
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:26:00 PM
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So Ben, still think Diablo III belongs on PC and PC only? I know we haven't had a lot of action-RPGs of the same ilk on console lately, but I don't know of a single action-RPG of the same type that's launched with as much trouble on PS3 or even PS2 (Champions of Norrath did what Diablo does, generally, with a lot less hiccups at launch - more control over character creation and skills as well ;)).

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Hynad
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:36:21 PM

Maybe not the same type... But Skyrim and Fallout were plagued with problems that only got resolved weeks and even months after launch.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:44:49 AM

Torchlight is pretty popular with fans of the old Diablo games. Many Diablo fans lost are now awaiting Torchlight 2's release.

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:27:28 PM

Torchlight on XBL was pretty decent. While the controls and such felt more natural on my PC, it was nice to sit back on the couch and play it on a much bigger screen.

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Axe99
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:42:36 PM

Aye Hynad, but that counted for the PC release of Skyrim (but not Fallout, but definitely Oblivion) as well. Hell, Oblivion's launch was far buggier on PC than console ;).

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 11:36:07 PM
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I think you're biased (as am I) when it comes to computer gaming. I don't have a problem with long development times, Blizzard and Valve are known for taking their time but also known for making some of the greatest games EVER...EVER.

D3's issues will clear up, I remember that ordeal friends of mine and other fellow gamers were having with Skyrim and that turned out okay.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:53:29 AM

The "ever ever" part is your own opinion. I'm of the opinion that PC-loving blindness has something to do with that.

The bottom line is that the gaps between games in PC-exclusive franchises are not only absurd, they shouldn't be so easily forgiven.

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Akuma07
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:37:47 AM

Blizzard makes amazing games, games that last for ages. Half the world was still playing Diablo 2 and Starcraft until their sequels came out.

Console games are on the opposite of the scale, they release so many games in such a short amount of time. Guitar Hero, Call of Duty and Assassins Creed come to mind recently.

So you really have to pick your side, you either want games to take too long to come out, or not long enough.

The serve issues had to be expected, the servers were turned on at specific times in each region, so you have a HUGE amount of server traffic.

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ethird1
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:23:45 AM

I love Diablo 1 and 2. I would love D3, however since I cannot play it offline I really dont care for it. Maybe when someone figures out a hack to play single player offline I will. That or they bring this game to the consoles.

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Phoenix
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:24:03 AM

Ben, you say PC shouldnt be given a pass on the long gaps we sometimes see in PC games, but you're turing a blind eye to console faults here.

Most of the time, I find console games are rushed out the door, filled with bugs, which require months of waiting for a patch in most cases( which happens with PC aswell), not to mention issues with the consoles themselves, just look back at when both were just coming out, we had xbox with the RROD problem that hit what? about 33% of them? sony had problems with the BC, and instead of working on the issue they scrapped it and are now trying to sell us PS2 games on the psn, HA, not to mention PS3 had it's fair share of the yellow circle of death aswell. Let us not forget 1 big problem with this gen of console, the launch price, jeez talk about overpriced!, you could have got a much better pc for the cash you spent.

In the end, every platform has issues and virtues that seperate them. I do expect you to be a PS3 fanboy, I mean after all you run this site, you kinda have to be.

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Zombiekiller62
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:26:23 AM
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I'm sorry but you are one ignorant console fanboy. You seem to be implying that PC gamers have very few games and have to wait forever for a game to come out when that is far from true! I have about 30 games all of which I got for dirt cheap compared to what I would have to pay for the same thing on a console thanks to Steam and Amazon. And the main reason I love the PC is the better graphics and modding if you took one look at my modded Skyrim game and tried to compare it to it's console counterpart you would understand. I also like the option of keyboard and mouse or controller. I enjoy Diablo 3 and the fact of the matter is it is only one game in the PC arsenal all systems have there exclusives and uncharted is fun but Mario and Zelda are better if we are talking system exclusives for any system. Back to the point at hand PC gaming is on the rise it will get better in some areas and worse in others like it is with any system.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:55:42 AM

It's difficult to be condescending and offensive when you can't write decent sentences.

...the worst part is that people like this don't even get that they give the rest of their PC loving brethren a bad name. So sad.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:02:30 AM

Oh come on, surely you must have seen a comment like that coming.
You set the tone in your article. When you push out a headline that says you can't STAND PC gaming it should be no surprise that some think of that as coming from a "console fanboy". You even proclaim that you are prepared for "the hatred". That's practically an invitation.

If you can't be more constructive than that in your replies then you are better off not replying at all. It's wiser to just sit back and relax and enjoy the stream of comments you managed to generate instead. It's actually quite fun sometimes. ;)

Last edited by Beamboom on 5/18/2012 8:11:31 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:05:19 AM

I'll reply to idiocy however I see fit. Thank you.

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 4:45:36 AM

... And that's probably how he would have responded too. I guess he just couldn't hold his tongue, either.

World peace is not imminent, folks. Humanity is still in the way.

Last edited by Beamboom on 5/19/2012 4:52:15 AM

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 9:26:36 AM

Ben's hit new lows. Deleting comments because he can't argue with them...like the big, civil and reasonable one (regardless of whether you agreed) i put here.

....Oh no wait, he's done it before. Killzone 2 rings bells. especially when another site was quoting all the replies Ben deleted which depicted Ben getting owned in a civil manner, leaving this site and Ben's striking behaviour forever damaged.

He's hilarious. He can't be wrong and seemingly screams out for attention.

How can i be civil and take part in debates if this is the result?

Maybe it's beneficial for me in that it prevents me debating with someone that depicts themselves with having a lower wavelength.

Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 5/19/2012 9:34:31 AM

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Zombiekiller62
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:28:56 AM
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And also with my steam games I don't ever have to go searching for patches they are all automatically done.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 2:12:57 AM

Console patches are also auto.

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PharaohJR
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:37:02 AM
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aw man i use to pc game heavy. it was NFS, Half Life, Duke Nukem, Viper(cant remember if thats exact name but had only dodge vipers.), Midtown Madness, Touring Champions, Unreal Tournament..... its some more but i mention these.

fell of with PC gaming when i got N64 & PS2. when i seen the consoles were improving every gen & didnt require Direct X updates & etc i put it to the side.

of topic though...... know its alot of hardcore gamers here & collectors check bredren collection... its some serious.

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshh9J4GD66E4De37ACw

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JC1225
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 2:02:31 AM
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Awesome... you tell them Ben!
You speak with so much passion (another thing that pc gaming lacks)

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Geobaldi
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:24:48 AM

Then you know nothing about real PC gaming.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:29:35 AM

PC gaming lacks... Passion?

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 7:56:28 AM

lolwut

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:06:52 AM
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OMG!!! Ben!!! THANK YOU!!!

Everything you mentioned!! It is EXACTLY why I hate PC gaming!!! The DRM issues, installation requirements, performance issues just because of a video card update not configuring with the game properly, constant internet connection required for most new games.... WHERE DOES IT END!?!?!?

Many of my friends have become PC exclusive gamers, anything multiplat they get on PC, like Borderlands, Mass Effect's 1-3, Fallout 3, Bioshock, AND then there's the PC exclusives which my friends worship even after they spend a whole day just getting the damn game to run!!!

Okay, sure, the game might look better in a higher resolution, and older games that didn't have DRM issues or internet requirements are ALL backwards compatible with Windows. But look at what you have to do to get there!!!

- Spend up to $700 on new parts for a new "beefy" game.

- Some parts turn out to have software compatibility issues, so you have to uninstall and reinstall EVERYTHING!!

- EVERY part of the new upgraded PC requires an individual update which (some of) you have to hunt down and install manually!!

- Code requirement to install. Fair enough

- An hour later, boot up the game, an update is required. Okay, download and install update.

- This game requires the new Direct X or video card update to run. (SIGH!!) Download update.

- Run the game, test out multiplayer first for fun. You need to Enter a code provided with the game to play online. GAAAAHHHH!!!! FINE!!!

- All codes entered, everything updated, can I play the freakin' game now?!?!?!

- On loading screen, freezes, "Windows has been forced to shut down this program and is looking for a solution" FUUUUU********!!!!!!

- No solution found. Open the game again and try again.

- Game finally works, THANK GOD!!! Now I need to adjust about 30 different options for optimal performance.

- Try single player, avoid multiplayer to avoid more crashes. It loads.... and is lagging like ALL HELL!!!!

-Internet goes down. Telstra says they are repairing as fast as they can. No matter, I'll play offline. OH LOOK..... I can't!!! Update required to open Steam in offline mode!!! How the hell am I supposed to update when I have no internet conection you piece of S***!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen of PSXextreme, I have experienced EVERY SINGLE ONE of these problems I listed above, most for the last 6 or 7 games I have purchased, either on disc or from Steam.

And how many problems have I had running a game on PS3 or 360 or even the Wii? ZERO!!! Not a single problem!!! Sure, some titles might need an update if I'm online, but take away internet connection and the game just loads with what is on the disc.

Nowadays, I just buy the game with the least hassle when it comes to playing it. My PC gaming friends pirate games with the MOST DRM restrictions and online requirements TO AVOID THEM!!!

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why (in my eyes), due to my negative experiences time and time again, I HATE PC GAMING!!!!

Forget user generated content, Mods and other tiny features, Littlebig Planet, Modnation racers and Infamous 2 provide that already and I don't have to jump through a hundred hoops for the publisher just to play their game!!!

I am done with PC gaming. Screw my friends' opinions. I buy a game to relax and have fun. Many PC games I cannot relax and very few are actually genuuinely fun, while many are all about competition and dominating online or reaching the top in leaderboards.

Everything I stated above is why I will always be loyal to Nintendo first, closely followed by Sony.

Please Sony, don't make the PS4 online only, and don't place restrictions and code activations all over it!!! Give me the good ol' PS2 ways of popping in the disc and playing the game, it's all I ever wanted to do!! Just simply enjoy your games!!

<END RANT>

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:07:35 AM

I don't think you deserve those thumbs down.

The *major* argument for consoles are that they are so maintenance-free and simple to use. They really are the right choice for those that's not too computer savvy.

If maintaining your system and keeping your software updated is an almost unbearingly hazzle then a console is the *obvious* right choice for you.
There's plenty room for both gaming platforms.

Last edited by Beamboom on 5/18/2012 5:08:28 AM

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___________
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:11:46 AM

you need to do a little research bub.
first of not most new games require a online connection, only diablo 3 and most ubisoft games do.
actually no, most ubisoft games have now ditched the DRM measures because of all the backlash they got so now its maybe 1 out of 50 that have always on DRM!
as for the installation issues, well, dont most games require installations on consoles too?
most ps3 games do, and if your running it on the 360 your choice is install the WHOLE game which takes a sh*t load more than what PC games do!
or enjoy having a 747 sitting at take off thrust for the whole time your playing your game.
not exactly a relaxing environment......

and please dont go down the oh you have to spend hundreds every month to be able to run games!
its utter bull &^%$!
my 3 year old XPS can run pretty much every game out there no problems!
mind you i only paid 1400 for it at the time!
fact of the matter is you dont need a new PC to play new games.
not unless it has problems running the latest OS systems which would be a really dam old machine!

nothing pisses me off more than when people rant about something they know NOTHING about!
and it REALLY needs to stop!

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sawao_yamanaka
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 6:34:27 AM

Lol know nothing about? Coming from the guy that loves to rant about idiocy. Really? I stopped reading your posts for a reason blank line.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:04:45 AM

Dancemachine55

I loved this post!! HAHA! To true on a lot of levels. I am past all that PC game nonsense as well. I just want to play the game. Well, done, really enjoyed reading that! :)

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:14:02 AM

Sorry Blankline. I stopped reading after you called him "bub". No idea what you said after that.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 5/18/2012 9:14:28 AM

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Rogueagent01
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:44:48 AM

Dancemachine55 I love you! If your a girl then I would like to propose for your hand in marriage, if your a guy then I guess No Homo is required..

Many of the things you pointed out are exactly why I gave up PC gaming. Mainly it stems from me not being tech savy, but also just because of the simplicity of console gaming.

I understand that by me choosing console only that I wll miss out on some pretty awesome games but it is worth it to me, its not like consoles are lacking good games.

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Axe99
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:50:41 PM

Well said Dancemachine :). I'm a strategy gaming tragic, and really wanted to play Mass Effect 1, so have a PC for gaming on, BUT:

- It took four hours of work just to get ME1 to run, looking for the appropriate stuff that needed to be DL'd to install it. And I've built a PC from scratch and am quite comfortable tinkering with 'em.

- It only took an hour to get Victoria II working, guess I should be greatful.

- PC games crash _far_ more frequently than console games. I play a bunch, from a range of devs. They're just plain less reliable. I know it's because they don't have enforced platform-holder QA and different hardware configurations, but that doesn't make it any less true ;).

- Mice screwed with PC gaming (outside of strategy games) when they came on the scene, and still casual it up now. And gamepad support for even new PC games is sketchy at best, and fiddling around in Xpadder is feasible, but a pain in the rear.

I still play PC, because there are games you can get there you can't get on any console (ironically, these are far from the most popular PC games - most PC gaming these days is just console gaming with a different (mouse/kb) control method), but if I have a choice of platform, then I'll always go PS3 first, despite having a PC around twice as powerful. Because higher framerates don't compensate for the other niggles you get from having to game on the damn system.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:53:00 PM

@ ________________

Do you really think I know NOTHING about PC gaming? I built my own PC, bought the parts and everything!!! I reinstalled windows, updated the drivers, fixed any problem with performance issues myself!! PC kept crashing, so I did my own tests and replaced the RAM, problem solved!!

Sure, the games may look slightly better on PC, and if you have the RAM play much smoother too. But the amount of stuff that gets in the way of playing the game in the first place (as I mentioned above) really hinders the experience, no longer making it fun.

Also, I can't trade my PC games, so Spore Galactic Edition is sitting on my shelf collecting dust.

@ Beamboom

Thanks, I enjoy some games on PC, and find less performance problems with PC exclusives or even Steam games. Mass Effect 2 on my PC kept crashing at random moments, same with Battlefield 3. I kept changing the settings, but nothing helped. I rolled back to a previous video driver, and that kinda helped for ME2, but Battlefield 3 just would not stop crashing.
I got a high end PC too, i7 2600K processor, 8GB RAM, GTX 460 card, Asus motherboard, all Asus parts for compatability. Now YouTube and many browser videos don't load properly after I updated, and ME2 kept crashing where it ran fine on my old hardware. THAT is the kinda thing that drives me away from PC gaming.

@Rogueagent01

LMAO!!! Sorry to disappoint ya, but I'm a straight bloke from Sydney Australia. Cheers for the marriage proposal, but I'm afraid I don't bat for that team. :)

@Axe99

I feel your pain mate. My copy of Mass Effect 2 kept crashing after I upgraded my PC. Drove me bonkers!!
THEN my copy of Mass Effect 1 wouldn't play because it said I'd used all 3 of my install allowances. I went bananas at EA and demanded them to reset the install limit for my code, so instead they just sent me a free copy of ME1 on Origin. The disc version I bought is still useless, but at least I can play the game now, so I guess EA isn't all THAT bad if they did that for me.

So now I'm getting Bioshock Infinite on PS3, mostly because I just don't have the patience to try and make it work on a PC. I'm sure it will work fine, Bioshock 1 runs perfectly on my PC now, but I don't wanna take the chance. aAt least on PS3 or 360, I know I won't have to go out on a limb hoping the game will run.

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Axe99
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 7:29:09 AM

You've got my sympathy Dancemachine, my saying for it is "PC gaming, where gaming is only half the story" - ie, the other half is just getting the damn thing to run! (That's an exaggeration, of course, but not without some truth). Top work on getting that fix from EA as well - I have no idea how good they are with customer service, but it sounds like they came through.

And Aussies FTW - I'm a Victorian :).

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___________
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 10:05:44 AM

dude, any monkey can install a operating system all you have to do is insert a disk and click a few buttons!
same for replacing the RAM.
if you do than why all the false stereotypes?
as i said nothing pisses me off more than when people spew out BS stereotypes!

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Axe99
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 4:48:22 PM

@ _______________

Dancemachine has had to put some serious work into PC gaming, just to get his games to run. I've built PC's from scratch, and I get these issues as well. There's no way around it, and it's rubbish that a better way of doing things hasn't been found. When most games can be played with a gamepad from the get-go on console without any of this, it's pretty easy to see why the preference might be there (above and beyond not wanting to play action games with an office productivity interface).

And any monkey _can't_ change RAM and install an OS. It's not difficult, sure, but it does take a bit of research and the like to do (eg; you'll often have to duck into your BIOS and tell your machine to boot off the disk drive). And, of course, when you upgrade your RAM you've gotta make sure it's the right type/speed (and even that's no guarantee it'll work).

There _are_ good things about PC gaming, but there are a lot of hassles that come with it as well. "PC Gaming, where gaming is only half the story" ;).

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Caanimal
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 12:08:27 PM

*Begins slow clap*

Very well said Dance, anyone w/ any REAL PC gaming experience knows exactly what you are talking about and that all of it is very true. My personal PC gaming has dwindled down to a couple MMOs and a few RTSs and that's it, although I did spend about $1300 (about $300 of that to pay someone else to build it and the 3 years of extra coverage) on a new desktop that I had built from scratch to replace my 7 year old system but it was needed and this one should last me another good 7 years at the very least.

Consoles are 100% more convinent and that is probably the #1 draw for most gamers, all you have to do is pop in a disk and play, in those rare occasions way upto a half hour for the game to install, this is the longest I myself have experienced when installing a game I believe it was with Skyrim or another recent game. My Girlfriend just spent 5 hours (yes FIVE) DLing D3 from Blizzard's site, I haven't yet installed my copy and I'm not sure if I'm going to use the physical copy (I bought the Collector's Edition cause yes, I'm a collector) or the digital download I can use from Blizzard (I play WoW and got a free DL)...

Game on my friends.

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ethird1
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:21:25 AM
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Uncharted 4 will surely be great. But the guys who make Uncharted should make a fantasy mmo for the PS3. Maybe some sort of action rpg like PSO2.

I would just like to see what they could do with that genre. Seems like everything Naughty Dog touches is gold.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 3:23:15 AM
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If long development cycles from some developers and anti piracy measurements (piracy who is a much, much MUCH bigger problem than used games sales ever will be) is all you have against PC gaming then I'd say it's not much!

Planning on getting a PC rig soon, Ben? Sounds like you're getting softer here! ;)

But seriously, if I were forced to choose between getting a new GTA every year or every TEN years, I'd choose every ten years. It's long, but it would have been the event of the decade. And with the rate of good games coming out these days it would be all right. If I *had* to choose, that is.
Generally speaking I think too short development cycles is a bigger problem today.

Last edited by Beamboom on 5/18/2012 3:37:26 AM

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Ultimadream
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:31:54 AM
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I have to disagree, While I am not a PC gamer I still think the fans overeaction to Mass Effect 3 was appalling. Gamers nowadays seem to moan at every little detail from minor bugs to the story direction. It's juts becoming an unpleasent community in general, you look on IGN boards and you get morons talking about Call of Duty on every thread possible.

I am the first to admit I am sutbborn, there have been many things this generation which has put me off gaming, DLC,the indie market taking over, the serious lack of JRPG's. But I don't feel I have the nerve to start a rally and complain to the developers, none of us have the right. If you want to take direction in creating a game study courses and earn a job within a developing company, instead of mouthing off on the internet. The internet has given the world a voice they don't deserve.

As for PC gamers, heck I have no interest in PC titles, but if they can manage to get along without complaining none stop like the majority of console gamers (Not all, I am remaining on this website for a reason after all...) then hats off to them.

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___________
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 5:00:52 AM
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oh bull sh*t it would not hit a console entry!
its hit almost every console entry!
are we forgetting the 5021 errors that plagued killzone 2 for over 6 months after release!?
or the constant server dropped errors uncharted has always suffered?
fact is any game has launch day issues, hell look what battlefield 3 went through!
this is nothing of a surprise, everyone knew what they were getting into when buying this.
if anything its a case against forcing online play, its really frustrating waiting 12 f*cking years for something and finally having it but not being able to play it!
that said though, as usual, to say this would not happen with console releases is just ludicrous!
not only has it happened, it will certainly happen again!
hell max payne 3 has been out for a few days and allot of people are struggling to get online with that too.
so does that mean we should go butcher R* too?

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sawao_yamanaka
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 6:36:59 AM

You always seem to be the only one that suffers these problems. Never had a problem with killzone or uncharted so I don't know where this stigma stems from. Just leave this community for good. I hate seeing these walls of text of pure negativity the same that came on the max Payne 3 review. You complained that it wasn't good. My god just be quiet from now on!

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Dancemachine55
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:01:28 PM

I'm fine with having to ALWAYS be online to play a mutliplayer game, but being forced to ALWAYS be online to play a single player game?!?!

I believe THAT is what people are upset about.

Also, I never had a problem with Killzone or Uncharted, so your problems might me an isolated incident. Sorry to tell ya.

Oh, and even if I have had maybe one or two problems with my PS3 freezing at some point, it is a rare occurance that I can count on one hand, whereas PC problems I can list across 20 pages!!!

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___________
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 10:14:19 AM

no ones happy about it but i can see why they have done it.
as i said before with the auction house using real money if they did not have online only than people could install mods and circumvention effects to try take advantage of that.
its online only that way they have far more control with what people can and cant do with their game.

as for KZ hogwash its a isolated incident, go over to the KZ blod and do a search for the 5021 error!
i remember a few months after the game came out the first gaming with the dev nights that was set up the last map for the night ended up ending in a 5021 error and people were so pissed off because they were suppose to get prizes depending who won but since the 5021 error happened everyones stats were lost.
hell, i missed out by 20 XP points away from getting in the top 1% for a certain month to unlock the final trophy so i could get the plat.
i was so pissed off, i had the best match i ever had and lost ALL of my XP for the entire match because of that stupid error!
and that was the last match i could play i had to go to work so i ended up missing out on getting the trophy, and plat for KZ2, just because of that stupid freaking error!
a months work undone by 1 simple thing!

plus, to say that no ones complaining about the issues diablo 3 has had is ludicrous!
go have a look at the user scores being posted for it its being slaughtered!
it was funny i had a meeting to go to on friday at a IT forensics firm.
i was speaking to the manager and noticed a copy of the CE of diablo 3 on his desk.
i asked him if he was enjoying it and his face went read and screamed I CANT EVEN F*CKING GET ON!!!!!
12 YEARS WEVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS AND NOW ITS FINALLY OUT AND ITS SITTING HERE LAUGHING AT ME!
nah, people are not ripping their hair out, not at all!
rolls eyes!

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raptassassin
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 6:05:36 AM
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first at mr.blank i brought max payne 3 day one and i even want online w/out any problems at all so it may b ur connection bub. as for the undercharted issue i never had any problems w/ tht either. i never brought killzone since i hate first person shooters.

its simple to many people on servers that how your problems happen....kthxsbye.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:14:39 AM
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The only thing that I...dislike, about computer gaming is that to me, it doesn't feel like a gaming machine first & foremost - because it isn't. Seems like a lame reason I know, but I just get that feeling everytime I try to play something.

I guess I like the fact that, when I buy a console, I know that the company that manufactured it - in this case, sony's gaming divison - are also soley focused on my gaming experiance. You don't really get that with PC gaming; it feels a bit like you're left in the dark. I know, another lame-sounding reason, but really, apart from those aforementioned exceptions, consoles aren't really THAT different to computers, atleast nowadays.

I must confess though that I'm a playstation guy through & through (not necessarily a fanboy, but I do have a certain attachment to it), so that might be - well, probably is - the reason I prefer console gaming over PC gaming.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:38:51 AM

I don't think those reasons are lame at all. A console *is* a specialized computer built for gaming only, that's the truth.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:54:34 AM

Yeah, I guess so. I meant it was lame in that, I wouldn't argue using those points (that console gaming is superior), because you could quite easily say that's entirely subjective/my opinion.

...a bit like when you tried to rip apart my beloved Uncharted. xD

Last edited by Ludicrous_Liam on 5/18/2012 12:03:53 PM

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 5:47:16 AM

Console gaming *is* superior when it comes to simplicity. That's just how it is.
Straighten up and stand for your opinions, boy. And repeat after me: Consoles are simple. Uncharted is an interactive movie. Consoles are for simple people. Uncharted is not really a game. Consoles are dumbing people down. Uncharted is doing the same.

Good boy.

;)

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 11:11:44 AM

Consoles are simple (simple is good). Uncharted is an interactive movie (which is what ND were aiming for - everyone wants to be a hero in a hollywood blockbuster). Consoles are for simple people (don't you also own a console...?). Uncharted is not really a game (UC2: 12 hours total playtime. In those 12 hours - minus 1.5 hours for cutscenes - you will run away from a tank while in amongst a gunfight with locals and enemys, run amok an untouched sanctuary purched at an awe-inspiring height, on snow covered mountains, where you'll also solve innovative puzzles, & also sneak through an almost-perfectly replicated nepal warzone, and will do so with some of the most unique 3-D platforming in years). Consoles are dumbing people down (dumbing everybody down would create a simple world; thus remove it of corruption, subjugation and all other malevolent things that were thought up by evil masterminds). Uncharted is doing the same (Uncharted = world peace! Whooo!).

Hey I'm getting pretty good at this! I'll keep repeating it, don't you worry!

EDIT: All in good humour ofcourse - no malicious intent ;)

Last edited by Ludicrous_Liam on 5/19/2012 11:18:30 AM

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Beamboom
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 2:51:03 PM

Hehe! Good call, Ludicrous_Liam. Well put - you're better than me at this! ;)

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:23:47 AM
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I couldn't agree more with you Ben. Where do I start! I build my own PCs and was originally a PC gamer. However, it was like a drug. Always needing the newest hardware to play all the new games at MAXIMUM SETTINGS!! (Echo Echo) It was just to expensive. Soon, it lost all it's luster and I took the plunge into console gaming again. I bought an X360 and enjoyed that for a while, maybe months. Then I heard of all these cool games for the PS3 that I couldn't play. I mean the exclusives were insane!! I saw Uncharted online and fell in love. I bought a PS3 for Uncharted and the rest is history. Best decision I have ever made. Well, after playing Uncharted and the one of the best games/worst final boss Heavenly Sword I was hooked on the PS3 and the X360 started to gather dust. Also, I loved the PS3 controller way more. The X360 was dead to me.

Long ago PC gaming adopted the "We'll fix it after it's released mentality"! I hate this so much! For years I have said why don't they adopt the console QA process! If you ask me that is one of the reason's the PC market is stagnant and not getting more popular. Along with the hardware cycles. People just love buying one console if it's a PS3 I mean and having that be there friend for 8 years or whatever. Now, if it's a X360 you will have many family members over an 8 year period!

There nothing better than spending $400 on a console, logging into it to make it yours. Also, I am building something with my trophy collection and level. I am intimately hooked to my PS3 as some of us are hooked to your favorite game. Now my Vita gives me the same feeling on the go! Knowing Sony they'll allow me to continue this awesome leveling system on the PS4 as well.

Diablo III is a train wreck and I am not just talking about connection or having to be online all the time issues. The game is fundamentally NOT DIABLO! Having read so many reviews on Meta Critic that I will never buy this game.

Quoted from HTon on Meta Critic:
Common guys, why don't you simply skip the game and send a message? It was known for a long time: single player totally f****d, no stats, skills and runes, 60$ price tag for unknown reason and finaly no demo, guest passes instead. DRM is more than enough to not buy the game, and the rest is not much better. It was clear before release that you get the game for children with special needs who can't distribute 5 points in 4 stats.

Bingo, this gamer hit the nail right on the head. I don't want anything to do with a game that calls itself Diablo in any way but lives by this above description. What differentiates my Barbarian build from yours?? Nothing, they are all clones! My memories of Diablo II LoD's 200+ hours are just fine and wonderful. I am not going to ruin those feelings and memories by soiling them by playing Diablo III. I haven't even played the new Diablo II with Synergies yet. So, I will be able to enjoy Diablo II for a long time to come.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:52:33 AM
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Also, in regards to Valve and Half-Life 3. I believe Valve is waiting for the next generation of consoles arrive before they release HL3. IMHO that is. HL3 is going to be arguably the highest grossing release of all time. Yes I am talking even more than CoD!

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ulsterscot
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:58:49 AM
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I dunno about about PC gamers - but I can tell you Wii gamers are absolute vermin. And Mac gamers - pond scum

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:09:48 AM

HAHA! Ben what have you done! :)

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:16:59 AM

Nah, all gaming systems have potential to be really fun.

The scum is in the people who exclusively play CoD and nothing else! Right, ulterscot?

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Clamedeus
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 4:17:07 PM

@Underdog15

*rimshot* Score!

Last edited by Clamedeus on 5/18/2012 4:17:51 PM

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:19:04 PM

*scum* in gaming, u got be kidding me.

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:19:51 AM
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Hmm... I find myself wanting to take part in this debate... I feel the itch to get into a fight... but... I'm not sure I care enough about the topic...

Anyways... my PC is gaming ready, and I have a few games on there. Got a nice graphics card, fast CPU, lots of RAM... I actually just built it last month... But I will say this... it's way more fun to lounge on the couch with the console...

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:33:52 AM

The couch lounging is why I am a console gamer too. :)

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:40:36 AM

To true, couch gaming is the best! However, that is not an excuse not to be a PC gamer now. With HDMI out on all AMD/Nvidia video cards your PC can be enjoyed from the couch too. I honestly thought about this a while ago. I just like Sony, plain and simple. just like some guys like fat/skinny women. It just resonates well with my physiology!

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Underdog15
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:19:51 AM

I have a GTX460 video card which has an HDMI out port as well. But I don't really enjoy having a keyboard on my lap. And if I needed a mouse, that would be tough to do on a coach... I'm not going to buy a tv-dinner tray for gaming.... lol

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anjpikapp3
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:33:56 AM

I couch lounge as well...but with my PC and console. I have not bought any new PC games because I am highly addicted to StarCraft II but sometimes it gets a bit repetitive so I transition to my PS3. I have a High end tower with i7 and an NVIDIA card (liquid cooled due to no AC where I live). I like both PC and console but if I had to choose one, the console definitely wins.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 2:55:53 PM

Under, there are gamepads for the PC as well, and some of them are really good too. I used one from Saitek that I were pretty satisfied with, back when I were a PC gamer.

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wackazoa
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:47:43 AM
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What pisses me off with PC gaming other than the DLP(I think thats what its called) is that some developers will put out games broken and wait for modders to fix them. EA and Bethesda come to mind. The fact that PC modders can rewrite code and "fix" issues with games and the developers either dont or cant makes me wonder about the direction that gaming development is heading or should go.

* I am a cynical person when it come to the motives of others by the by.

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xenris
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:05:16 AM
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I actually agree with the essence of the article here. Now I am more talking about what Ben is saying towards Diablo 3 not pc gaming in general, as I am a gamer and I play competitive shooters on my PC and exclusives on my PS3.

It is ridiculous that a company as top tier as blizzard released a product that was this unstable. The online only is obvious to most people, the worst thing added to the game. Anyway with a shred of knowledge knows that they could have had an offline only mode that couldn't connect in anyway to online, as well as having their closed battle.net, which in fact is what they did for D1 and D2. As we all know, pirates will figure out a way around this one day and it will be like every other DRM game out there. Harder on the legit customers and no problem for the pirates.

The other problem is how could a company that is running the most successful MMO have such unstable servers for a game, that shouldn't require the same data transfers as an MMO? Like Ben said, if its online only they should call it an MMO.

I have other problems with the game, as they essentially dumbed down the gameplay, made the graphics so they would appeal to WoW players and added a completely unneeded real money auction house to their game.

Instead of making a game for Diablo fans, they decided to make a game for WoW fans, that would hopefully sucker in Diablo fans and its just terrible. There are so many promising ARPGs coming out this year that Diablo has gone completely off my radar until a severe price drop. Torchlight 2 from the closed beta is leagues ahead of Diablo 3, actually it was made by most of the people who made Diablo 2 so, thats probably why.

I also think that is is unfair that its not getting the "rage" that ME3s ending got. I personally think it deserve huge criticism for its faults but apparently no one super loud on the internet does?

I personally like long development cycles, I think 3 years is the minimum it should take for a blockbuster game, but 12 years with all of the problems is just ridiculous.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:35:49 AM
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I'm not going to argue about this, and I'm glad a lot of people seem to understand what I'm saying. Maybe this means the magical hold PC gaming has had on the gaming community is loosening.

But I really won't be dragged into any massive debate because frankly, I don't have the motivation. Microsoft and Nintendo fans have nothing on the PC elitist crowd, who are by FAR the worst of the biased groups, primarily because none of them have ever been wrong about anything a day in their lives.

I'll just sum up with this, and no, I won't be replying further-

I already wrote the disclaimer in the article, but of course, that wasn't enough. And I don't really care. The point that it's okay to wait a decade or more for a game - which has happened numerous times in the PC realm - is absurd. It'd be one thing if when the title finally released, it absolutely blew everything else out of the water. But that isn't true; in fact, it isn't even close to true.

Saying, "oh, it's quality over quantity" is total BS. Uncharted isn't quality? Assassin's Creed isn't quality? God of War, Killzone, Gears of War, etc, etc, isn't quality? You can't be serious. Diablo III isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread as far as I can tell, and that's just based on professional reviews. If I go by fan feedback, there are all sorts of problems that - resolved now or not - are completely and entirely unforgivable for a game with THAT long of a development cycle.

You don't give free passes to that. And you don't give free passes to a platform that basically gets one massive exclusive every once in a great while we're all supposed to drool over. I never mentioned modding or Steam or anything like that. Every platform has its benefits; I never once said PC didn't. I'm speaking from a personal standpoint, where those features don't mean anything to me.

Yes, I'm allowed to say I can't stand PC gaming, just like anyone else on earth is allowed to say they can't stand PS3 games. For all those who are so lovey-dovey with the "I can express my opinion" philosophy, I would assume you people would be able to understand that the door swings both ways.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:45:18 PM

How dare you!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:35:12 PM

Ah, but while the door may swing both ways, the lock can only be unlocked from one side.

That had absolutely no meaning whatsoever. xD

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 1:51:20 PM

Ben, you are fine don't worry! :) It's a great article and gets everyone talking no doubt. We all have opinions and it just happens that my opinion and yours shake hands. Keep up the good work and really enjoy this site!

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 9:45:38 AM

You're saying you don't care, but proceed to write a huge defensive response (a sign of complete insecurity in what you just wrote).

You said you won't argue nor debate, but attempt to debate points in this hugely contradicting post?

I don't understand how you do it to your self.

If you have to come back and write a huge defence and "clarification", then you must not be sure of what you're complaining about and you must of read posts that completely obliterated your weak foundation for an argument (and even proceeded to delete comments to save face, a common practice with you) and thus needed to again, save face....well, attempt to.

And your last quote....what?! I swear....it's becoming absolutely laughable. How can you say that and then proceed to delete comments that were civil and offered debate? Oh that's right, because you are being a massive hypocrite....And if you dare try and say i was being out of order, i have the comment to repost to prove how wrong you are. The usual thumbs up over yours too....yeah, hugely offensive post.
Speaking of the thumbing, does it not speak volumes that you get thumbed down insanely at your own site?

Should i begin to understand why your considered a laughing stock elsewhere? Because you're not helping yourself.

Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 5/19/2012 9:49:06 AM

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firesoul453
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 7:37:03 PM
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I am sick and tired of all the ridicules DRM. Its one of the main reasons I like console gaming but this online pass things is basically a weird way of having DRM.

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xenris
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 2:23:40 PM

Thumbs down with no rebuttal, figures. It will smooth out over time, but still I have been in the Torchlight 2 beta and it is leagues above Diablo 3. It plays better, has more customization, LAN mode, single player AND multiplayer, and no DRM. At least someone knows how to do things right.

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firesoul453
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 10:23:13 PM

Oh no doubt there are plenty of PC games without DRM, mostly indie games, which happen to be almost all the games I buy on PC

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allDFlavors
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:17:11 PM
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Sorry to continue my raging rampage and tirade, but I've died a total of 19 times over server lag the last few times I played. 19. If I could return this damn game, I would have.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:46:31 PM

Gee, and someone in this very comment thread just said that all the problems were gone...hmmmm...

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Geobaldi
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 8:51:55 PM

Blame people with horrible internet connections, not the game. This issue goes for every game that has an online component.

Last edited by Geobaldi on 5/18/2012 8:52:28 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 9:09:15 PM

Seems like an awful lot of people with crappy Internet connections then.

And if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to make a game that requires a connection.

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LimitedVertigo
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:13:34 PM

Ben stop being a hater! Come on....so the game has issues at release...so do console games. Can't we all get along and enjoy what we enjoy? (minus COD, F that game)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:46:49 PM

I hardly think it's being a "hater" to have a problem with a game that took 12 years to get here, sucks at launch, causes a ton of hate editorials, has a game-ending bug, and demands that everyone be online to play.

That's not "hate." That's logical observation and criticism. PC fans will understand this sooner or later.

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xenris
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 8:21:41 AM

I have to agree with Ben on this. I actually played the beta, and half the time I was unable to connect. Yet they still went ahead with launching this?

Besides the dumbing down of the franchise, the online only is terrible. Literally if you lag out for a second it kicks you, thats only if you manage to get on to their server in the first place. Most mmos you will lag out, and then everything catches up, not here or at least not in the beta.

Ben might be slightly over reacting, but his reasons for doing so are completely legit. I back them up from having played the game and having a terrible experience. Although I haven't experience with the game ending bug, I have heard of it. Also this is based on the open beta, how much they fixed in the 2 weeks after that I really can't say. But from the looks of it....not much?

In the end, it comes down to Ben thinking that they should be accountable, which is fair. After all the company with the worlds most successful MMO can't launch with stable servers? Its not only that it is a rocky launch, its that it is in a lot of peoples experiences catastrophic.

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Nerull
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 10:36:19 PM
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Whether or not mandatory internet is neccessary, it's damned annoying. I'm glad Dark Souls is coming to pc with, at least temporarily, extra content, but games for windows live blows.

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Temjin001
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 11:02:29 PM
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THere's definately an uneasiness about getting PC games as day one purchases. Those who try to deny that it isn't an issue are lieing to themselves. The very nature of having a one size fits all OS across thousands of hardware configurations just asks for problems.

..but on the bright side. Gaming on PC allows for lots of perks not found on more controlled console environments, not to mention beast like graphics cards that can churn out insane res, frames, and other cool techy effects.

I've been doing Batman Arkham City and holy freaking crap it's gorgeous on high settings. Too bad the launch of that game was botched too. Oh well, that's why I go for cheap'o $15 or less deals. I've only been burned hard once. My Rage still doesn't play =/

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Crabba
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 3:48:55 AM
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Most of these problems would've been a non-issue if Blizzard hadn't insisted on the stupid always-on internet connection even for single player games. Completely unnecessary and stupid, creating all sorts of possible server downtime and lag issues for no reason whatsoever.

I'll definitely get the game sooner or later being a HUGE Diablo fan (both 1 & 2) but this is one of those annoyances that make me glad I didn't get it day one...

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 10:48:54 AM
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Consoles are simple (simple is good). Uncharted is an interactive movie (which is what ND were aiming for - everyone wants to be a hero in a hollywood blockbuster). Consoles are for simple people (don't you also own a console...?). Uncharted is not really a game (UC2: 12 hours total playtime. In those 12 hours - minus 1.5 hours for cutscenes - you will run away from a tank while in amongst a gunfight with locals and enemys, run amok an untouched sanctuary purched at an awe-inspiring height, on snow covered mountains, where you'll also solve innovative puzzles, & also sneak through an almost-perfectly replicated nepal warzone, and will do so with some of the most unique 3-D platforming in years). Consoles are dumbing people down (dumbing everybody down would create a simple world; thus remove it of corruption, subjugation and all other malevolent things that were thought up by evil masterminds). Uncharted is doing the same (Uncharted = world peace! Whooo!).

All in good humour - no malicious intent :)

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shinji257
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 10:20:00 AM
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This game isn't an MMORPG. An MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) is a game where everyone interacts with everyone on the same server visually and not just in chat. As it stands there is a 4 player limit per game. If chat among other players is enough to qualify as an MMORPG you might as well call Mibbit one as well. If just requiring online play and chat is enough then you can call Battlefield 3 (PC version) an MMORPG while you are at it as well. It requires an internet connection to play single player too.

This game actually should be classed under Online CO-OP. It is obviously targeted that direction. Friends can join in on your game at any time and you can even make it public if you wish to. You can play the game single player if you wish but that wasn't the goal.

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Crabba
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 8:20:31 PM

Who are you to say what the "goal" is. Diablo at its core has always been a single-player RPG. The first game didn't even have any multiplayer online stuff.

That's like saying Uncharted 3 is first and foremost an online shooter...

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Geobaldi
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 4:32:29 AM

"The first game didn't even have any multiplayer online stuff."

Wrong. The first Diablo was 4 player.

Last edited by Geobaldi on 5/21/2012 4:33:04 AM

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Caanimal
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 11:25:24 AM
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I'm w/ most others, the whole must be on-line to play is total BS, if I want to play on-line then I'll log into SWTOR or WoW and go from there. They really need to turn 3 into how 2 was, an off-line game w/ an on-line option for those who want to play w/ others... I had so much fun w/ D2 but I haven't played D3 much at all yet, although a lot of that is cause I'm enjoying the stories in SWTOR a great deal...

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raib314
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 3:02:32 PM
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Did something happen in your personal life, Ben? I've read a lot of your editorials and this is the first one that made my face wrinkle up. I had to check to make sure it wasn't the 1st of April. I don't even care about the content or opinion of your post. Just seemed like you raged out for no reason over something you haven't actually experienced yourself. It's just...strange. Hope everything is okay, man.

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M1gh7y P4wn
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 3:48:28 AM
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I read this site because I respect Ben's views and trust him to give me an honest and often humorous opinion of a game or situation.

I can see his honest and amusing take on this situation above. (though my opinion is different in this case)

I read this site because it's community is so mature and willing to discuss things rationally and with respect for other's opinions.

Where did that community go?

Wish my first post were under better circumstances...

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poisonedsodapop
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 12:35:16 PM
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I think hating PC gaming just for Diablo 3's screw up is pretty harsh. Yes they should have anticipated the rush, yes I was miffed at the amount of downtime for the first few days, but I also knew what I was getting into when I bought an online only game. Obviously it's not the same situation since LBP could be played offline but when LBP first launched the servers got DESTROYED and they had to take them offline entirely for a good few days. Any game with an online component is destined to have trouble the first few days of launch, how much trouble it has is what the players will rage about. They'll also forget it once it's over with cause they're fickle like that.

There are however some brilliant PC only games. I personally got my PC to play 360 exclusives that were also on PC due to not liking the pay for online policy Microsoft has going on. I've also prepurchased Guild Wars 2 and Torchlight 2 and have gotten some great titles and dirt cheap prices due to the crazy sales on digital games. I use Steam for most of my games so I haven't had a problem with DRM yet.

Also the time of DRM like this will some day happen to consoles as well. The rumors of one time activation keys for PS4 and Xbox 720 are pretty discouraging, especially since they may very well jack the price up for console games next gen. Also existing online passes have done some terrible things for the used game market. Games with online codes sell for cheaper which means they of course have less value when you sell them back, regardless of whether or not you've used the code. For that reason I'm actually glad that I finally built a good PC for my gaming needs.

While I know you're dislike of PC gaming isn't going to change (and I'm sure it still hasn't) it is still a great platform and if the gaming developers actually cared about their cross platform releases it probably would be the best platform. How it stands currently though PC gets a lot of gimped games for some reason.

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