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Square Enix: "This Generation Has Lasted Way Too Long"

Many gamers are fine with an extended console life cycle for this generation, as are several outspoken developers.

But not everyone thinks a console cycle lasting 7-10 years is a good idea. Take Square Enix Worldwide Technology Director Julien Merceron, for example, who told GamesIndustry.biz that Sony and Microsoft's decision to elongate this generation was the "biggest mistake they've ever made."

Merceron weighed the pros and cons of releasing a new machine with simple architecture versus a console with a complex makeup. He also said he'd like to see Sony ditch the Cell and proprietary tech in the next generation. Added Merceron:

"Now you don't need to manage longevity by complexity of programming, because your longevity is ensured by your online model. And I would suggest that maybe we don't want long generations. We have Sony and Microsoft talking about this generation lasting 7,8,9 or even 10 years and it's the biggest mistake they've ever made.

This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, so they will wait for the next generation, and will jump on that platform. You could not do that with this generation though. So these developers went elsewhere to see if the grass was greener. They found web browsers, they found iOS, they found other things and a lot of them won't come back to the hardware platforms. So you could look at it that thanks to Microsoft and Sony and the length of this generation, it helped the emergence of other platforms and helped them get strong before the next hardware comes out."

Do you believe that the added years in this generation have opened the door for other platforms? Or do you think that would've happened, anyway? Personally, I don't think launching the PS4 or Xbox 720 earlier would've had the slightest impact on the casual/mobile gaming explosion, which was inevitable given the extreme popularity of smartphones and tablets. But that's just me.

Tags: current generation, next-gen, next generation, ps3, xbox 360

7/10/2012 9:18:47 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (91 posts)

cLoudou
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 9:46:05 AM
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Why in the hell would SE be complaining? Maybe if you've made more than 1 1/2 games I would agree but they've taken the entire generation working on Versus and FFXIV and they are still not finished.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:21:54 AM

Agreed and not only that, they have yet to give us anything we asked for... FFXIII wasn't a good game really and far from a traditional Final Fantasy, FFXIII-2 had a horrid ending with a to be continued, No FFvsXIII, No FF remakes, no nothing... I'm suprised their still in business the way their doing this generation... not a single thing... Hopefully if this generation lasted 7 or 8 years mayb VS will come out by then but from that comment it sounded like they wanted that game in the next generations systems

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 1:40:12 AM

Exactly, they should just go back to their roots and make good games. Make a Final Fantasy for Android and iOS too... they should should stop complaining, make good games, and the sales and money will come!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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richfiles
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:28:41 PM

You know... What DOES Square-Enix know anymore. They know how to make a game pretty, but forgot how to make GAMES.

I'll start listening to what Square has to say when they are relevant in the game industry again. The only thing they are good for these days, is re-releases of old titles.

Square needs to be less concerned with the processing power of their pretty graphics makers and learn to do good games again...

Shut up Square, you're making people laugh!

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Drake_RB3
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 9:50:28 AM
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I agree with you Ben. My students are ridiculously addicted to mobile games and they keep finding more and more. They gobble up one game, play it for a week and then move on to another one.

Personally, I don't see the need. I'd much rather play a story-driven game.

I also find it funny that this statement comes from a company who needs to outsource to other developers to work on new (or finish current) games. They should be happy the current generation is longer. Instead of spending the first year of the new console figuring out how to make the best game possible.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:25:32 AM

Thumbs up just for being a teacher.

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Lemon_Saint
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:25:04 PM

Thumbs up for being a working teacher ... my wife and 187 other teachers were just laid off in our district alone.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:44:46 PM

That's a real shame Lemon, such a bad direction for the country.

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Drake_RB3
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:51:24 PM

Thanks for the props, guys.

Yea, teachers are in a rough spot now, and tenure isn't doing some great teachers any favors.

Lots of politics and budgeting sadly get priority, when students passing Algebra and other subjects should come first.

I feel like doing a Limit Break on Governor Christie sometimes.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:35:37 PM

Only Omnislash would take him down.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 7:45:54 PM

Drake_RB3,

Another one I see from our state that doesn't like Christie or his bullying ways to get things done.

And that fat ba$tard pork-belly's so big around, that he could snout-snort an entire Dunking Donuts shop in only one inhale.

(BTW, I live right outside of Ocean City)



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DjEezzy
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:13:09 AM
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I agree with you ben and cloudou. This guy obviously is making excuses at this point. The explosion in mobile gaming would've happened anyways. This article just makes me laugh. These type of comments make me respect Shinji Mikami far more than this dude. LOL. I'm glad this generation has lasted as long as it has and i hope it lasts much longer. Whats the point of coming out with such a robust system if you're not going to get longevity out of it. It's actually refreshing to see something last more than a year and not be put out by the next generation of hardware like every other computer or phone now a days. Seems like every couple months there is the next and biggest thing. It's pretty much impossible to keep up with these new gadgets and electronics. This world moves at such a fast pace now that it's good to have something like the ps3 that actually lasts. This guys has no clue what he's talking about and it just seems as if he's in a panic now trying to justify why his games aren't as great as they used to be. Oh well... Moving on...

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:03:51 PM

Agreed. These mobile devices supplied a foundation in which devs make games. It was not because MS or Sony have elongated this current gen by not introducing new hardward.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:16:50 PM

Agreed.

If anything, the boost in mobile games could eventually lead to a boost in console game development.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:16:00 AM
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I agree that it would make no difference if the next consoles were released earlier. It's actually a pretty extreme overestimation of what role the consoles play in this.

Also that part about those who gave up on this platform (I assume he think of the Japanese here) are just waiting for the next were really, really weird. Does he think it will be easier with the next gen? That it will be a kind of a "reset" where everyone are back on square one?


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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:24:37 AM

He's predicating his little theory on the idea that Sony and MS SHOULD make their consoles easier to develop for to suit their ailing skills.

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Comic Shaman
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:18:24 AM
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What a bizarre leap of logic. Ben is right that the diversification of gaming devices was going to happen no matter what went on in the console world.

And the company that's responsible Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Kingdom Hearts 3 is not in any position to throw stones about taking "way too long" with anything.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:05:52 PM

Got that right!

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Axe99
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 5:58:07 PM

ROFL, well said :)

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Nas Is Like
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:20:36 AM
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"This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, so they will wait for the next generation, and will jump on that platform."

You know I never thought about that, but he does have a good point.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:25:47 PM

Not really... If I'm a developer and a game doesn't do well, I certainly wouldn't sit around waiting for the next generation. Thats stupid business. *let's see, the business lost money, so let's sit around and do nothing and make no money for a year or so...* Kind of defeats the purpose of running a business.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:21:06 PM

I agree, his statement makes no sense from a business standpoint.

It kind of proves to the world how much Japanese devs have slipped. If there are developers over in Japan that REALLY think this way, then gee, it's no wonder jap games suck now.

Because in all honesty, western devs don't do this. A LOT of game devs fail due to sucking at the hardware, they usually either A) Close down, or B) Practise more, and prepare better for the next game they make, which almost always is an improvement. So much so, that in a few years, all games on the console start to really shine.

When was the last time you seen a western game that sucked so hard from bugs?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:23:05 AM
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Apparently it hasn't been long enough for them to put out a good game.

Sony and MS need to make a profit on their investment so no the long cycle is not their big mistake and mobile iOS and Android and other platforms were going to come out and draw devs no matter what. If they weren't good enough and had to go to a lesser plat then that was going to happen anyway.

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xenris
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:28:07 AM
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I can't believe they are saying this. Since when do graphics have anything to do with making great games. All of Squares great games were built on old technology...so I guess they are just making excuses now?

Maybe they should release versus already before everyone gives up on them...if they already haven't.

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Amnesiac
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:32:20 AM
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No.
I feel the name "Square Enix" has gone on long enough, stop the charade already.
Squaresoft: in intellectual property only
Enix: in their business model, games and quality control of said games.
sooo...
How about a name that advertises what you really are?

Enix Squared

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:54:38 PM

Square Enixed seems more appropriate to me, but I get your point. :)

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Rogueagent01
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:33:42 AM
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He is crying foul because they have mismanaged the hell out of this generation internally. And since they have a new engine that requires new tech he thinks calling Sony and Microsoft out will make it seem like their games have suffered because of them and not because of SE.

Nice try, but there seems to be quite a few companies making money off of this generation the way it is, and I am sure they will be happy to move to the next generation so long as it doesn't double or triple their development costs.

A good portion of companies are always gonna fail, it is the world we live in. It doesn't matter if a new generation came out tomorrow you will still have companies that fail. And if SE doesn't get their s**t together by the end of this generation the next will be their last, you can quote me on that.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:24:07 AM

couldn't have said it better myself

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:34:16 AM
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<<<<<This generation has been way too long>>>>>

It's a shame the $E doesn't practice what they preach........

.....RPG gamers could say that very same thing about a FFVII remake.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:07:05 AM

And Versus

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Rogueagent01
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:14:14 AM

And a real Front Mission

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Deathb4Dishonor
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:25:03 AM

And another Grandia would be awesome too

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DrRockso87
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:49:16 AM

And Chrono Break.

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Ignitus
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:34:47 PM

And a new Vagrant Story.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:11:58 PM

Love it. SE should take a look that Biker Saints comment and the responses then look in the mirror the next time they want to criticize a company for taking too long to do something.

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Riku994
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:30:05 AM
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*Complains about long generation, can't finish Versus*

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FxTales
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 9:33:25 PM

lol the best counter-argument simplified right there.

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duomaxwell007
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:48:24 AM
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i dont agree i mean not all of us have 600 dollars to spend on a new console ever 3 years.. heck if ps4 didnt come out til 2020 Id be happy

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monkeypunch
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 2:21:46 PM

duomaxwell - You hit the nail on the head. The real issue is, "...not all of us have 600 dollars to spend on a new console...".

If a new system came out then would all the publishers target that system and not the current? I don't know. It would suck if they did and upgrading wasn't an option. But in the past the publishers have stayed with the current system for 2 or 3 years *AFTER* a new system came out.

The other issue when new consoles come out is backwards compatibility. Do you have to buy all new games? If yes then yeah it sucks. I don't remember how long PS2 compatibility lasted. Not sure how well XBox either. I remember a few games I couldn't play on the new system. That sucked. Of course you could get a input switcher.

What if phones releases were like consoles? That would suck. Phones are still underpowered.

Have you seen what happens to companies when they don't have competition or stop pushing the limit?

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:51:29 AM
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I completely understand why this generation would, to them, feel like it's dragged on and on... time only flies when you're having fun. Nothing worse than when a day of work goes by slowly... can you imagine how slow time would go by if you had 6 straight bad years?

Just sayin'... I completely understand why they feel like this generation has gone on for so long.

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jjlive168
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:24:35 PM
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Lol sounds about right to me this guy makes PERFECT sense this finally gives us insight on why we have yet to play FFV or KH3 because they bombed this generation and are waiting on the next one thanks squaresuck for finally letting the cat out the bag now go back to your ios games and ports and ds remakes spin offs etc and come back to us real fans when you grow a pair and drop the Enix portion till then tales of xillia and Levsl-5 FTW an

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Teddie9
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:28:32 PM
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Enough excuses square, we've been begging for results.

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Ignitus
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:40:17 PM
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I agree. The mobile gaming explosion was going to happen anyways.

In the console world a development kit goes in the 1000's of dollars, normally between 20,000 and 50,000. While in the smartphone world is like a $100. The barrier of entry is very low and with lots, millions of users, what's not to like?

Besides, why are they complaining? They still need another 7 years to finish Versus.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:41:50 PM
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Break out your etchasketches

Translation: "We want you all to forget everything we've done this generation."

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Temjin001
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:46:55 PM
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His reasoning is clearly based on a precipice to defend new developers. New developers who try and gain visibility during new hardware launches so their game has more of a chance to be seen and purchased while the buying options are limited. And while large percentages of the populace haven't clamored in with a big dog franchise.

I really don't think this ideology serves to the benefit of SOny or MS because they put out millions upon millions of dollars to market new consoles with the hope to make back everything and more a few years down the road. The new hardware is only their to re-imagine what's possible given more power.

Personally, I don't think that's why Sony or MS are in this business. They're not in here to release new consoles every 5-6 years. They're in this business to grow an ecosystem of entertainment and services that continuously provide a means for profitability. I believe as real time computer generated graphics move closer and closer to realism we can forget having to repurchase new hardware in order to deliver diverse and exciting new entertainment as the pallete devs have to work from will largely be limited only by their imaginations.

Right now, if the next-gen does deliver performance at or around The Samaritan and the Agnus Prophecy demo, I'd like to see that gen carry on for at least twice the length of our current one.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:43:17 PM

SE screwed themselves this generation with their stupid exclusivity with MS at the beginning, the ludicrous time it took them to support the PS3, and the absolutely horrendous delays to games like FFXIV and FFvsXII which we have literally been waiting years to see.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:13:55 PM

I didn't realize S-E had any exclusive deals going with MS at the dawn of the gen. I suppose in hindsight The Last Remnant, Star Ocean and Infinite Undiscovery come to mind as the probable candidates. Each of which didn't seem very well received by either fans or critics alike. Mistwalker didn't seem to make any inroads either with Blue Dragon. LO was probably too little too late for an ecosystem that was conditioned to enjoying western RPG's and the award winning Oblivion title.

I pretty much think it was a mistake for eastern devs to have considered the Xbox market as something worth jumping ship for right on the onset. I agree that they should've put in place a frame work for designing and producing quality experiences for their flagship PS base before venturing to "greener pastures" with MS. Konami seemed to have done perfectly fine keeping MGS4 where people would identify with and receive it best.




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Highlander
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:35:14 PM

Namco did it as well, that's why we never saw Tales of Vesperia or Idol master on PS3 here. They appeared on 360 and subsequently vanished without trace in the West. One of the other major Japanese publishers likewise opened themselves up to some MS exclusivity early on. As far as I can remember, none of the publishers that did so have done particularly well this generation.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 7:59:57 PM

Temjin001,
I'm not sure what the basis is for Mistwalker's boss's hatred towards Sony, but he's said quite a few times already that they will never develop for Playstation.

But "hopefully" their future of never doing a Playstation game could be wrong, I mean just look at the complete turn-around from Dave Newell & Valve now loving the Playstation brand.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 10:40:55 AM

Mistwalker is in love with iOS Biker. I doubt they will ever develop for PS, someone there really has it stuck in their craw over Sony - probably due to the fact that Microsoft provided the financial backing that got the studio started in 2004...just in time to work on 360 games. So, their dislike for PlayStation is somewhat institutionalized into the organization's very fiber. Also, they don't do the development themselves either, they just do the artistic stuff and leave the tech to someone else.

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Ignitus
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 9:08:02 PM

The reason the Final Fantasy creator and today's Mistwalker boss will not develop for Sony systems again is because Sony forced him out of Squaresoft after the Final Fantasy movie flop.

Funny thing is Square and Sony went downhill shortly afterwards.

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homura
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:51:49 PM
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My cousin loves web browser games, ios games, android games, but when he learned about the games in ps3, he wants one. he's only about 12 years old. He now knows it's better. Her sister played my ps3 for the first time, she regret wishing an iphone from her mom, it should had been a ps3 if she had played it earlier. PS3 is not yet tap out. Great games is still coming. I loved FFXIII and even impressed of the demo and for what they want to achieved in real time animation in gaming but that remarks from Director Julien Merceron sucks. Just imagined how many people now own a ps3. They could still make a lot of money in this generation if they make a lot of high quality games. Waiting for the next generation console? They should learn from ubisoft, release a game every year. Maybe they're already doing that with FFXIII-2 and the rumor of FFXIII-3. Now I think they should thank Sony for not releasing a new console for the chance that versus could still be released this gen and make a lot of money.

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xenris
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:41:23 PM

Yeah they should totally release mediocre faux Final Fantasy games each year that seems like a great idea...

How about they release versus which is a title that pretty much all Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts fans are dying for?

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homura
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 8:15:30 PM

They should release more from a business point of view I mean, I know FFXIII-2 sucks but it makes them a lot of money, of course they know many are waiting for kh3 and versus but still they don't release it, and now a remarks that it's a very big mistake to elongate this gen. is stupid. They are just now only beginning to make money from this generation. Naughty Dog already has 4 games in this gen. and ubisoft and the makers of Call Of Duty franchise has a lot too. I know it's hard to make a FF every year but at least try, from a business point of view I mean. Of course I still prefer quality FF even if it takes 2 or 3 years to develop.

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homura
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 8:37:09 PM

He should have said "Thank you sony for not releasing a new console cause we're still not finish developing Versus"

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Claire C
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 1:23:11 PM
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i think he's right

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Jed
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:04:36 PM
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Yea right, the mobile gaming market only exists because game devs got bored with the "old" consoles. It has nothing to do with the fact that the phones and tablets that can run them didn't exist before this console generation.

You is smart Squareenix

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Lemon_Saint
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:27:55 PM
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I have over 450 dollars in gift cards and store credit just waiting on a new console announcement. Yeah, it's about time for something new.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:41:50 PM
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Hang on a second, how many games has Se bothered to 'crank' out for this generation? FFXIV is where exactly? Vs XIII is where exactly? How long did it take them to even get a game out on PS3? Who the hell are they kidding with this pompous crap about allowing other platforms to flourish? Are they really suggesting that the folks playing Angry Birds or Farmvill used to be heavy Playstation users but are now hooked on their smartphone or facebook game? Really? I mean, really?

Come on SE, you can do better than that, what's wrong? Are you feeling heat over your ridiculous development cycle and need to try to push the attention of criticism elsewhere?

If it's been such a very long generation, why are there so few SE games in my collection?

Whatever.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 5:30:45 PM

Exactly.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 1:41:05 AM

Indeed Highlander, indeed!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Knightzane
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 2:47:21 PM
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Their ones to talk. So funny that one of the biggest dissapointing companies this GEN acts as if their the most successful. You can make a crap product if you have the name brand. If Coca cola came out with a candy it would sell millions. SE takes advantage of the fact that anything they release will have that SE logo on it and while i enjoyed Deus Ex and the hitman sniper challenge, it won't change the fact that everything they, the main branch, do is a mistake. Their like that really annoying rich kids whose dad did all these great things and so that gives him an excuse to be a complete moron. SE, please STFU, GTFO, and GFY.

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Ludakriss
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:05:00 PM
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Fuck you muchly Squeenix...AND the fuckin versus.

Yeah. Not even gona use the capital letter for that game anymore.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 6:48:31 AM

Go easy on the swearing :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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TheCanadianGuy
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 1:52:20 PM

wow i said a mid level swear word once and people went bonkers on me this dude says the holy grail of swear words and nothing..

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gumbi
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:14:17 PM
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Oh come on SE... you dropped the ball this generation, big time. Whining about it and blaming the console makers makes you look even worse.

Besides, I highly doubt that many console gamers have abandoned their consoles for tablets and smart phones. The casual gaming market has exploded in the last few years because the technology for it has exploded in the last few years. Not because it was our only alternative over these ancient, ailing consoles... give me a break.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 10:43:10 AM

LOL, the idea that console gamers transitioned to a diet of Angry Birds and Farmville is laughable in the extreme. SE just screwed up this generation and started off badly by signing a pact with the devil (MS).

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homura
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:16:52 PM
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I think PS4 is already in the development but Sony feels there's no need to rush it for release. They are still making money out of PS3 and there are no real threat from others as of now, WII U, i doubt it.

As for the casual games in phones, the most popular ones are free to download. And if android or ios phones want to upgrade to accommodate developers to make a kick ass games it still never gonna be as good as in the PS Vita.

So prolonging this gen consoles is not a very very big mistake.

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PharaohJR
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:28:06 PM
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smh alot of folks these days dunno the difference from they ass & lips. dunno what a excuse or explanation is.

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Oyashiro
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:38:32 PM
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What? You've been working on a game for 6+ Years with no word on a release date and your saying this gen is going on too long?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 3:48:35 PM
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They clearly spent too much time and money on that new engine they showed at E3, which will be able to run on the next gen consoles about 6 years into THEIR life cycle.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:11:38 PM

That wasn't even that impressive if you ask me.

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Cuetes
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 4:16:08 PM
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I can't say I agree with this guys reasoning but I do agree that this generation has gone on for too long. I can afford to move on and I want to, bring on the new systems.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:16:00 PM

It has only been 5/6 years? There would be no grace period if they released a new console that soon. They would release a console, then straight away, or even before they release it, start development on the next, plus the hardware leap in the consoles would be very small, which would fall onto the games making them less of an improvement and not very innovative. You would only actually notice an improvement every second generation.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 6:10:58 PM
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Lol.

Has anyone noticed how Squeenix are always blaming everybody else for their poor performance this generation?

Now they are blaming the console makers? Don't bite the hand that feeds you Squeenix..... Oh wait, what am I talking about? You have been doing that since day 1 of this gen.

100% agree with everyone else, they should not criticise Sony and MS for taking too long, when they have spent the majority of this gen 'developing' vsXIII, and they haven't even officially shown it off yet!!!!!

Makes me wonder if they are saving it for a day1 release on the next gen consoles?

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Veitsknight
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:16:30 PM
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They have failed so much this generation that they want to start anew.

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buckoboy1
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 2:03:11 AM
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lol what a bunch of dumb shits, how bout you make some games that will run well on ps3, and not limit the person to one single path. your games on this gen sucked any ways, holding you back, bi*** please only thing holding you back is yourself. PEACE BI***

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ProfPlayStation
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 2:33:33 AM
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I don't understand why people in authoritative positions keep insisting that console gamers and mobile gamers are the same group. Console gamers use that platform because they enjoy a rich, in-depth experience that is not possible on cell phones. The mobile explosion is a new group, and a lot of the same people that made the Wii explosion possible: persons who are looking for a quick diversion, and will just as easily move on to the next fad.

Impulsive developers will follow these trends, but I don't doubt that the mobile market will bust before very long, in much the same way that the Wii busted. There are a few mobile apps that make lots of money, and the rest of them aren't so lucky.

Personally, I want this gen to last as long as possible, because I doubt I'll be coming back for the next one. Publishers like >SquareEnix<, Ubisoft, EA, and the rest, have sucked all the life and fun out of console gaming, and introduced all kinds of problems that used to be what drove me away from PC gaming. We're inputting user keys now? Really? Wasn't that out of fashion back in the 90s? Now, PC gaming is easier and more convenient than ever before, with a huge majority of the same titles that appear on consoles, ready for a gamepad and HDTV. I'm becoming a PC gamer, only due to the horrible practices of publishers, like SquareEnix, on consoles. They're sinking their own ship; it's not the console makers fault.

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BigBoss4ever
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 5:41:22 AM
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SE, just shut up and shut fxxck up...

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___________
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 6:04:29 AM
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hes got a point.
$ony and M$ whoring the crap out of current systems has helped everyone but themselves!
it has allowed the gap between mobile games and console games to be closed in oh so much!
it has also allowed the gap between PC and console games to widen oh so much!
so yea it was the biggest mistake $ony and M$ have ever made!
your suppose to help yourselves, not your competitors!
do you really think ouya would be releasing, and in such a good position now, if next gen systems had already been released?
or at least announced?
hell no!

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Squirrelicus
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 8:04:55 AM

Mobile games are not even close to even early PS3 games or PSP games as far as technology or quality.

This is apples and oranges. The market that mobile games target doesn't effect the consoles. No one is saying "hmmm, PS3 or iPhone 4? I'll go with the iPhone, better graphics."

As for developers, making mobile games are minor leagues. The cost is low, it's easy to get into and quick to produce product. But the profit is also low. Not everyone can make Angrybirds. They are to console games what commercials are to movies.

I think you're expecting a huge leap in graphics like we've seen in previous jumps to new consoles. It won't happen.

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___________
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 9:36:45 AM

dude just stop you have no idea what the hell your talking about!
you do know infinity blade and infinity blade 2 has made epic more money than the WHOLE gears of war series right?
mark reign has been saying that, and singing IOS praise for years!
im so sick of this BS notion that only angry birds sells well, it is so untrue!

im not even going to bother with the mobile games not being as good as even psp games BS.
all ill say is come back when you have actually played a mobile game!

as for next gen systems not being a big leap forward, right.
so epic, $E, all these companies are spending millions creating new engines so they can just make PC exclusives are they?
all the next gen tech demos shown, hell even starwars 1313 and watch dogs were running off nvidia 680s!
much, much, much more powerful than what systems today provide!
yea there designed to be scalable, but not THAT scalable!

next gen systems HAVE to be a big leap forward from what we have now, otherwise there going to be overtaken by the mobile market, and get their a$$ whooped by PC!

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 10:47:26 AM

Mr Underline, the flaw in your analysis, which is pretty good otherwise, is that console games *will* be resolution capped at 1080p, PC games never will be. So, the next generation consoles will not have to exceed PC games in terms of things like resolution. I really hope that they are capable of handling 1080p60 presentation and rendering, including all the anti-aliasing and filtering that you can point a very pointy stick at. I think that apart from 3D and the 60 frames per second at 1080 resolution, the biggest things that console games need to attend to are all related to image quality so advanced post processing, filtering and full screen anti-aliasing should all be big features so that console games can have a far more refined look than their PC cousins.

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Squirrelicus
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 2:50:40 PM

So ONE mobile game sells more then an exclusive title on an inferior system and Sony needs to release a PS4.

I use Angrybirds as an example because that is the likely route a mobile game will be marketed. Granted I never heard of Infinity Blade, and while it may be better then Gears (which I was never impressed with. I doubt it is graphically as beautiful as GT5 or Uncharted3. Nor is it as popular as CoD or Batman:AC

There is nothing even remotely close in any iOs or Android apps in development that can touch a game with the scope of GTA3 much less GTAV.

So explain to me how mobile games are in anyway a justification for a PS4?


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___________
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 9:50:53 AM

so angry birds, infinity blade, joypack joyride, ect, ect are one game are they?
sorry dude, im done.

as for high what does that have to do with this?
as you said resolution is not the only place where games need improvement!
and im not so sure about console games being capped at 1080P next gen.
4K TVs are going to be out within 3 years or so, next gen consoles probably will last 6 years at least so within that timeline you would like to think somewhere we will see some crosses.
maybe not 4K, but definitely higher than 1080.
its disappointing PC games have not adopted a higher res by standard, i mean higher than FHD displays are not exactly new!
they have been out for ages!

cant remember what it was called, but a few weeks ago a doccumentary released which is the worlds first production shot in 4K, its already happening and it wont be long till 4K becomes the new 1080.
its taken the industry FAR too long to adopt 1080P, so they really need to ditch it and step up to the new standards.
its ridiculous that HD TVs have been out for what 7 years?
and 99% of games are still not up scaling to 1080P, let alone rendering in it!

releasing a next gen console that cant render 4K resolutions just seems a big mistake!
its like releasing a new PC that does not have USB 3.0 support.
or a new car stereo which does not have a AUX port.

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Squirrelicus
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 11:50:44 AM

You said the gap between mobile games and current generation is closing. Yet you have yet to point out a game that meets both the graphics and the depth of a PS1 game available on a mobile platform.

I never played Angrybirds, but it is the standard mold that app games try to follow. Not it actual gameplay but in marketing. They make a gimmick fad game and sell Tshirts and stuffed animals.

Mobile games are not much different the flash games from 6-7 years ago. Yeah one or two might be good for what try are, but that's not closing the gap.

I just don't buy your argument that mobile game quality is somehow a threat or prod for Sony to make a new console. You want Sony to release a new console now for technology that's 3 years away? When that new tech will be available or in widespread use It will be at the end of the PS3's life cycle. So how why a new console now?

What hurt the PS3 more then anything are the thirdparty games. BF3 a prime example, Xbox version is practically the same. Mostly due to development costs and profit margin(it would be an insult if Xbox users somehow got a "watered down" version) So the game was limited not by the PS3's capabilities but by the Xbox's.

I don't understand what this next gen console obsession is.

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___________
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 11:01:26 AM

dude, GO play a mobile game than come back and ill bother arguing with you.
NOTHING pisses me off than when people shit on things simply out of sheer arrogance and refusal to try it!
im sorry, but to say that mobile games are the same as simple flash games from several years ago is just ridiculous!
might as well say console games are the same as what they were several years ago!
stuff it, im done arguing to your arrogant a$$!

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oONewcloudOo
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 9:26:25 AM
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If this gen lasted to long imagine how we feel about the development of versus XIII

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THEVERDIN
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 4:07:51 PM
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Shut up, and start putting up. By the way I think cell is fine just because you can't handle it is no reason to ditch it.

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jagstatboy
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 11:27:15 AM
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I could easily be happy with another 5 years on this gen.

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monkeypunch
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 1:51:07 PM
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The mobile gaming world would have happened anyway but I get where this guy is coming from. It's exciting to have new consoles coming out. There's excitement around it and the games. That's the way it's been for 30 years until this generation.

What he means by developers not staying with a system is probably the high cost of entry. As a developer myself some target devices have been harder to program to than others. It takes away the creative momentum when you're fighting with the system.

For example, why does Unreal and Crysis engines exist?

You can keep your PS3, and I'll keep mine of course, but I like seeing new and faster technology come out (see smart phones) because of what it means... more possibilities.

Why are people against it?

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