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Has BioWare Permanently Lost Fans Due To ME3 Fiasco?

Not being one of the die-hard franchise followers, I'm actually asking straight-up.

If you were an active part of the community that reacted to the Mass Effect 3 ending ordeal earlier this year, do you think hardcore fans of the series have permanently left? In other words, was the event scarring enough to piss people off for good? Is it a long-term rift?

As a follow-up question, did the Extended Cut DLC appease fans (for the most part), or did it do little to mend the injury? I've heard conflicting reports; some have said they understand BioWare's limitations in producing that extra content, and are therefore satisfied with what they got. Others, who wanted more drastic changes, were none too thrilled. Personally, after that mess, I don't have a whole lot of respect for that fan base but then again, I admit to not being part of it. I also know that in the interest of headlines, the negative backlash may have gotten blown out of proportion.

But did it really...? Or has BioWare forever alienated a great many former fans? When they release the next game in the Mass Effect universe, will sales actually reflect that loss? Or will the loss be reflected in whatever project they do next, such as Dragon Age III? In my opinion, I find gamers to be extremely fickle, despite what passions they may have on any given day. My prediction is that none of this has an adverse effect on future BioWare sales...but I'm sure some out there disagree.

Related Game(s): Mass Effect 3

Tags: mass effect 3, me3, mass effect 3 endings, mass effect fans

7/15/2012 9:31:17 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (44 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:00:03 PM
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I have yet to get to ME3 (it's on the shelf) but I doubt it will have any lasting effects. I'm sure they learned their lesson about false advertising.

Personally though I lost trust in them with the massive downgrade from Dragon Age to DAII so DAIII has become a wait and see situation.

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FM23
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:12:59 PM

I never played DAO, but I enjoyed DA2's story...the gameplay was fun to me and required more than just quck reflexes too me than what most say. I'm awaiting part 3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 11:27:13 PM

DAO is a much better full fledged RPG, but I did like the Mass Effect style conversation additions to DAII. Origins had more conversation options but you had a silent main character.

The fact you never left one area, the reused maps, and lack of customization really harmed the experience for me.

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:04:30 AM

FM23

Not playing DAO of course you wouldn't know all you are missing in DA2.

Combat was fun in DA2 but nothing close to DAO. More like they completely changed the style. DAO was way more tactical and less chaotic. I agree that DA2 was fun but being a fan of DAO I also felt really let down by what they gave us compared to the first iteration.

Also, World, I really liked the fact that the main character was silent. That way I could imagine my own voice talking. I also liked that there was so much more dialogue options and I hate that now they simplified it with *positive* *negative* *funny* *love* *hate* ... as if we are too dumb to figure out what we are going to say will or will not hurt the NPC we are talking too XD

Like I remember when talking to Morrigan in DAO lol I was like... mmmm is she going to agree with that... And I really had to study her behavior to finally *size* her and know how to answer to her speech :D was so much fun.

Didn't you enjoy that kind of stuff? :D lol

The first one being such a *Hit* I wonder why they dumbed it down so much for the second entry :(

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:11:24 AM

I know what you mean, I think there are positives on both sides. Silent means you have more dialogue options to craft your personality, but cut scenes where your character is interacting and talking makes him/her come alive more. I think when they made the switch they had to take into account how much dialogue they were able to record. There was a ton in DAO that elicited difference responses and later options. Maybe in III they will find a happy medium.

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:21:43 AM

I hope so :D lol.

Like I would rather have them go *mass effect style* in mass effect and have the Dragon Age universe stay a bit more classic. Just like in the good old Ice Wind dale/Baldurs gate time lol. I bet it would still be a hit. DAO was successfull so why change the formula so much T-T

It like Devs are trying to unify their games. Just like D3 is a D2/WoW merge lol.

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YashaZz
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:25:47 AM

DAO is great. Combat in it is really, really difficult!

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Beamboom
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 3:03:46 AM

@Neo: LOL how you described the conversations with Morrigan in DA:O is just so spot on. Man I spent much time during all those conversations just staring at the reply alternatives, making my pick. It was pure awesomeness.

I too did enjoy DA2, FM. Very much so. But DA2 were "just a good game", if you know what I mean. DA:O were more than that. Like how you could start up as three different races, and thus start in three different areas of the world map and experience three different beginnings, each their own origins(!), that concept was such an amazing strike of genius. It almost felt like three games in one.
Soon the stories merged of course, and the main story remained regardless of your origin (obviously), but man what an awesome game DA:O were.

DA:O had something refreshingly new and different over it while DA2 were, as I said, "just" an entertaining game.


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FM23
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:11:14 PM
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I enjoyed the original ending though I was left with questions. The extended cut answered those questions while leaving mystery and gave me more scenes to work with before I left my crew forever. The slide show felt tacky, but help put everything into perspective. The ending was great and help shift ME3 above ME2 in my opinion.

Those who wanted a rewrite of the ending are just pathetic, but the indoctrination theory would have been cool. I still like Bioware and I will buy upcoming releases from Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:13:10 PM
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The Extended Cut did address some of the glaring plot holes from the original ending and provided the much-needed closure. I am fine with it. That said, I'm still not a big fan of the so-called star child and the Reapers' motivation for doing what they did in the series.

That said, I still like Bioware but I hope that their next game would have a much-better ending than ME3 did.

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FxTales
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:36:22 PM

Pretty much this.

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N7 Operatives
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:40:41 PM
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Nope.

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Briar
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:41:53 PM
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I gotta say I am one of the few who preferred the original ending to the Extended Cut. The added information was nice but I got all the closure I needed from the first time I finished the game. I sort of liked how it was open ended because it gave a lot for Bioware to jump from if they make a Mass Effect 4 (if it doesn't turn out to be a prequel that is).

I kind of want to take their writers out for a drink though; they went through hell and back to give the fans what they wanted. Good on you!

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BTNwarrior
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:48:06 PM
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I really love the mass effect series, but I have to say that I really hate the fact that you have to play multiplayer to get your galactic readiness level up. I want nothing more than to play the extended cut ending, however every time I try to play a multiplayer match the game freezes pretty much right at the end of the match. And if I do get in a match I am so fed up with the multiplayer that I usually call it quits. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if your galactic readiness level stayed the same. But no they had to make it so that your GRL goes down 2% every day making it a sincere pain to try to get it up from 50% to 100% when a 20 min match only gives you 3% increases and odds are the game will crash 18 min in. Thank you for rewarding your fans Bioware!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 11:28:33 PM

What does galactic readiness do?

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bigrailer19
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:02:21 AM

From my understanding there is 3 main ending choices, but based on your galactic readiness you would see different possible outcomes. Kind of like the choices you made in ME2 would dictate who stayed alive type of thing. It doesn't affect anything in the way the game ends.

Again that's just my understanding, I finished the game at 50% which is where it will stay if you don't play online so...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:12:03 AM

Man, I don't wanna play online. What a ripoff.

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frylock25
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:27:06 AM

you can raise your galactic readiness by collecting the war assets. if you collect those you dont have to play online as much. from what i understand though i have yet to play it.

my theory has been that if they couldnt bring the first one to ps3 at all and they couldnt get the second one to ps3 for a long time, i will not be in a rush to play their game.

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oldmike
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:39:08 AM

if your score after the 50% hit do to lack of PVP is under 5k you cant get the "best" Red ending

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bigrailer19
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:58:12 AM

I collected war assets and my galactic readiness didnt budge. But that might not mean anything as I wasn't going out of my way.

World-

I never played online and was satisfied for the most part. I actually caught up with some users here who did play online just to get my galactic readiness up but was so busy with the campaign I didn't even bother.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 11:58:30 PM
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I like the Mass Effect series, I'll admit I really wasn't one who thought they were as good as people had said. It also was frustrating as a PS3 only person, I couldn't play ME. So it took me awhile to get ME2, but soon after I realized why there was a lot of hype surrounding it. It's a great series. Although I feel as if they took away from things in ME3 that were more prominent in ME2 it was still a good experience.

Although I'm fine with the original endings, and I've yet to play the extended cut, the main thing I was frustrated with was the reason behind what the reapers were doing. I mean it was kind of clever don't get me wrong but at the same time I remember thinking under the circumstances, "really"?!

I also loved in ME2 the attention they gave to the ending and explaining and setting up for the next entry, while in ME3 it just kind of hit a wall. Almost as of it was all for nothing. I mean the ending fit the story but there was little reward for the player. So I can see why there's frustration whether it was to extreme or not.

Anyways its sad for Bioware that such an amazing series ended this way, I mean the trilogy as a whole, but I have faith in Bioware and there productions. Bottom line is they make good games and nothing should hinder their success.

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YashaZz
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:28:59 AM
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It took me only 8 hours to fall in love with Mass Effect, and just the 1st mission to fall in love with Mass Effect. I have never been able to get so close to a franchise in such little time. I love the series, I adore the characters, I enjoy the storyline. Many people call me foolish when I say that I will enjoy Mass Effect 3's ending (It's the only one I need to play now).

I say they just aren't open for new ideas and are stubborn. No offence to anyone, I believe I'm aloud to express my opinion.

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KingRed
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 8:53:28 AM

This was the first ME I played. Loved every minute of it. I just finally beat the game with the original ending. I actually like the ending. Didn't see or feel anything wrong with it. Makes me think what they said about the fanbase was true to some point.

So YashZz you are totally right on this one. I bet you will like the ending too and feel that it is fine.

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oldmike
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:43:37 AM

the ending in ME3 is far from NEW
its ripped from Deus Ex

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:54:43 PM

Exactly Oldmike, less fulfilling than Deus Ex's continuous method too as Mass Effect was never designed to end the way they handle Deus Ex.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 2:00:21 AM
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They have lost me as a follower I know that much. Bioware were responsible for some of the greatest RPGs in the early PC games but they have lost their way under EA. They are still a quality developer but they are far from those days. In terms of specific Mass Effect issues I enjoyed it but they really did lose out from not having the original creative minds stay all the way through in the top echelon.

I saw a highly detailed bust of Mordin on facebook the other day. Awhile ago I would have been so excited and wanted to have it but I just didn't care. That just says it all in how much Bioware have lost my attention and respect.

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Beamboom
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 3:14:41 AM
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It takes much, much worse than this for me to loose faith in Bioware. I've loved all the Bioware games I've played so far (two PC RPGs and four on PS3). And while I personally think ME2 were a better game, ME3 were well beyond worth my money. It was a great game!

And in regards to the rest of the market: I don't think they've *permanently* lost any fans. Some has perhaps become a bit more sceptical, but all it takes is one good release and they are back on board.

But their next title will be a particularly important one. It will be incredibly exciting to see how that turns out.

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dmiitrie
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 5:02:59 AM
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Although I could never really get in to Mass Effect, I could easily see its high quality and I've been a fan of Bioware for a long, LONG time and I'm not ready to give up on them just yet. I'll look pretty closely at DA3, and as long as they bring it back closer to DAO, I'll get it with no regrets. And the next time they release a new ip, I'll at least try it out.

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___________
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 6:32:26 AM
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do cows go moo?
do chickens lay eggs?
f*cken oath bioware has lost fans over the ME3 fiasco!

i really cant understand how people can say the reaction was overblown!
the WHOLE point of the mass effect series was to have a big effect on what happens to the universe.
not only in the last game, but you invest hundreds of hours in all of the games to shape the galaxy.
THAT was the promise!
did they deliver?
NOPE!
so how is it overblown?

this is exactly why from now on ANY game that has the BS you can change the story BS its automatically going in my do not buy bin!
im sick to death of every single game playing that card, and NONE of them actually really doing it!
deus ex human revolution was suppose to have drastically different endings depending on what you do.
it doesent!
heavy rain was suppose to have different missions and different experiences depending on what you do.
but it doesent!
all you got was a extra cut scene or something like that, nothing really drastic changed till the end.
even spec ops the line does not have the effect and impact it promised.
im so sick of developers using this BS just to try suck people in, than never delivering on it!
sigh, gone are the days where false advertisement was illegal!
i guess everything does have its price............
or the better saying theres nothing a fat bag with a dollar sign cant solve!

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bigrailer19
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:03:29 AM

Ummm did you finish the game? One of your 3 choices (at the end) would absolutely change the galaxy. You just don't see that outcome. If that's your complaint your blind to the fact that it was rather bluntly laid out in front of you. That Shephard would have to make a choice that would change the galaxy.

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___________
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:19:05 AM

it barely changes anything!
i ended up completely wiping out several civilizations and i still got the same ending as my friend who had a much higher galactic readiness rating then me and had everyone helping him.
how the hell does that work?
plus they said there would be many endings with drastic differences and effects.
theres not, theres 3 different endings and there not that different from each other.
and what about the crew?
what about your romance?
i ended up romancing miranda and she called me as soon as the last mission started, after that and the end events happen you dont get to see what happens to her.
thats exactly the problem with the game it evolves the WHOLE GALAXY!
but with the ending you get to see maybe 1% of the effects you have had.

even some of the events that you did in the first 2 games.
what difference does it make if you destroy the reaper tech in ME2 or keep it for the illusive man?
what difference does it make if you agree with him and give in, or fight back?
ME3 is exactly like every other game out there!
it asks you to make a choice than gives you down a different road but ends up in the same place.
1 + 1 - 1 = 1.
1 + 2 - 2 = 1.
2 totally different ways of getting the result, yet the result is the same.
what is the point of being able to choose how to do something if it does not change what happens?


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bigrailer19
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 4:50:26 PM

It's obvious what the issue is here. Apparently we cant use our imaginations to explore the one of three choices you would make at the end of the game. I wish we got to see the aftermath of that choice but there is obvious differences to each, that's explained very bluntly when making the choice. But because we don't see the outcome we confuse this with them all being the same. Some argue it's the same just a different color.

But that's just it the color represents choice and that choice depicts the future of the galaxy. I see where you're coming from but when your given 3 choices that are extremely different, whether we see the outcome or not, the choice was still made.

I do agree though, I would have liked to see more of what happened in regards tothe choice, and how it affected the galaxy and the inhabitants. Sadly that's the issue here.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:03:32 PM

It maybe choice but it's a shallow and retroactively destroying one bigrailer. Whatever choices you make upto the 3 big ones at the end are effectively nullified out, from the very first game.

The original vision of a personal journey shaping it all, right to the end of the trilogy and numerous decisions playing a part on the mark on the universe from every instalment is no where to be seen due to some of the main creative minds that left.

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bigrailer19
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:30:48 PM

Ok, I'm not arguing for anything hear. I agree the 3 choices were relatively shallow and in the grand scheme had no bearing on what you actually did in the game. It was that final choice and that was it. And yes I hated the 3 choices they were shallow and seemed rushed.

But there was a choice to be made and it drastically changed the galaxy depending on one of three choices you made.

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___________
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 8:55:25 AM

you cant use your imagination if you have nothing to base it on!
christ, how am i suppose to use my imagination to figure out what happened to the crew, or miranda?
a fluffy pink dragon flew in and took her to cotton candy land?
well the game gave me nothing else to base it on!
christ dude, seriously what is the point of even having a ending if everything is left to imagination?
theres a big difference between leaving things up to interpretation and what bioware have done with ME3.
like alan wake, you see his wife come out of the lake but you never see him.
thats it the story is finished, whether he ever comes out or not you can decide yourself.
thats leaving it up to imagination.
the WHOLE point of the mass effect series is to play through the games and have a drastic effect on what happens, how it happens, and how everything ends.
not choose whether i should have chocolate topping on my vanila ice cream, or if i should have strawberry instead!
thats what every game this gen has been, they have all promised drastically different endings, and drastically different missions depending on what you do.
but they dont, they all change ever so slightly.
and im sick of it!
if bioware did not market the game like they did, if they released ME3 as a new IP, just treated this as your typical aliens taking over the world game you really think this would of got the backlash it did?
hell no!
people are pissed because the whole point of the series is you having a drastic effect on the fate of the universe, and you really dont!
not to mention all the loose ties.
i mean you get to see the normandy crash, you get to see the crew walk out.
well i did.
but what about the people who were on the planet with you?
ME is about the GALAXY!
not about ME!
thats why so many people were pissed about the ending, simply because the game forces you to spend the entirety of the game gaining help from all the species, than does not even have the decency to show you what happened to them!

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CrusaderForever
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 7:50:20 AM
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Mass Effect is very special to me. Like and old friend. This series has an emotional tie to me. I was lucky enough to play through ME on the PC. I then waited a year to play ME2 right before ME3 was to be released. It was really great to be able to play ME2 and then ME3 right away!! That added a lot to my experience. ME2 was amazing and it was my favorite of the series. ME3 was very good and I was fine with the original ending. However it was sad that Bioware said one thing and then failed to deliver. I sincerely hope that Mass Effect makes a triumphant return very soon.

No way does this lose Bioware fans. They make good games and gamers know this. The ME3 ending was their interpretation. You have to respect that.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 8:08:43 AM
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They haven't lost this fan.

If anything, their extended cut DLC has raised my level of appreciation for them, and how hard they work to please their fans.

I liked the DLC. It filled a lot of plotholes. It explained so much more that we needed to know to get full closure.

I will get Dragon Age 3 the moment it is released.

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Comic Shaman
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:34:51 AM
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Lost? Not as such, in my case.

But made more wary.

I do appreciate the effort of the Extended Cut, though it really should be named the "Rewritten Cut." Some of the most staggering plot holes were not just explained, they were retconned out of existence. It's nice that these points were changed, but it also highlights just how slapdash the writing job on the original version was. To me, the endings went from an "F" to a "C" in execution.

Points to Bioware for their class in dealing with the backlash, because some of the fan reactions were needlessly hateful. That being said, though, they did call down the fate on themselves with script leaks, broken promises, terrible original endings, and forced multiplayer.

Mass Effect 3 is a superb game, and I'll play it through again. I'll probably get their DLC. It doesn't mean I'll buy Bioware products in the future without hesitation, though, as I would with a studio like Naughty Dog.

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oldmike
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:00:09 AM
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i will never get there games day one any more

this is the 2ed game from them that i felt let down by

thankfully i only rented DA2 as i did not like what they changed
but I don't even care about DA3

As for ME this is the game that got me to get a 360 i loved it up to ME3 ending
the EC fixed a lot of the plot holes but it comes down to this you lied you told us you can say you had ending A,B, or C but that is what we got did not help that i just fished a game with the SAME endings

As for the post EC ending
you get a Blue ending that is now a good ending(this is the best for a player)

a Red ending that if you did online can get you a "happy" ending but is shaky at best

and then there is the green mess that craps on ME ideas and lore

i may get there games BUT not till after its been out and i can see if its worth it and i mite just get it used

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quikbeam
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 11:19:47 AM
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I figured I would give my 2 cents here. I would say Bioware has lost a number of their fans due to the ME3 fiasco in addition to their last few releases. The last 3 releases from Bioware have really disappointed fans. They also handled the ME3 issues very poorly and took a while to respond, and also managed to insult their fans by basically hinting at the idea that fans just didnt understand how deep and well thought out the ending was.

The EC did very little to address many of the problems with the ending most people were complaining about. To be fair though, they did state from the beginning, it would not change anything, it would simply extend the ending. The problems were still there.

If you look at the response the EC received, while it was fairly positive, it was far smaller of a response than what you received with the original ending controversy. Many of the people that had a problem with the ending, didnt even bother getting the EC, since it wouldnt change anything. If the people who criticized the game no longer cared about the EC, then criticism for the EC would be incredibly small. I would think Bioware should worry about the EC having as much of a small response as it had on online forums, when people complain or praise, it means they care about the product. When they dont even bother to do either right after something as significant as an EC, it means they could care less about the title. Which means they are customers the franchise lost.

The problem Bioware is going to face is that some of their fans will not buy their next game upon release. Also considering how easy it is to pirate games currently, anyone that has significant doubts about the game will either wait a while before getting it, or will simply get a pirated copy.

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Geobaldi
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:33:56 PM
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I lost more respect for Bioware not because of how ME3 turned out originally, but because they caved in to the outcry that some whiny players made.

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Underdog15
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 2:49:10 PM

I never played it, so I don't really have the right to have much of an opinion, but I'm sort of less inclined to blame a company for trying to make fans feel like they matter... I certainly wish certain other companies would listen the same way.

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Gamer46
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 5:09:39 PM
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I'm sure they've lost some fans for good not only because of what happened with ME 3 but Dragon Age 2 disappointed a lot of people as well. I think over time though that the majority will get over what happened with ME 3, as somebody who played all 3 games I do think Bioware delivered easily one of the best trilogies of this generation. The ending could've been handled better for sure but up to that point the series was so good that I'm willing to give them a pass on it and hope it's just a lesson learned for their next series.

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JumpKat
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 7:47:29 PM
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Dutka! Im glad to see your not tard raging at the protesters any more. A thousand internetz to you good sir.

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