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Developer To Change "Bros Before Hos" Trophy In Ascension

Adam Sessler was none too happy about it, and that helped spark a major backlash.

God of War: Ascension developer Sony Santa Monica has confirmed with Joystiq that one of the game's controversial Trophies, "Bros Before Hos," will be altered in an upcoming patch. The change only involves one letter but the result is far less inflammatory and certainly not controversial- "Bros Before Foes."

The studio gave GameSpot a statement concerning this change, which reads as follows:

"We have created and will soon push out a patch for God of War: Ascension that alters the title of one of the game Trophies. The text was offensive to some members of our community and impacted their enjoyment of the game.

We are endlessly committed to ensuring that our community can fully enjoy the experiences the team has created. As such, we've addressed the feedback and amended the Trophy in question."

The Trophy is awarded when you defeat Fury, one of the game's female enemies. Of course, when Kratos beats her, he does so in typically brutal fashion (this is God of War, after all), which means he effectively smashes her face in. Yes, Fury is a twisted demon but she's still female, which is why Sessler and others got up in arms about the name of the Trophy. Did you have a problem with "Bros Before Hos?"

Related Game(s): God of War: Ascension

Tags: god of war ascension, gow ascension, god of war ascension bros before hos

3/11/2013 9:27:30 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (39 posts)

Knightzane
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 10:28:49 PM
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Not at all. If anythings going to be attacked for "Ho's" Rap music should be first. But i guess thats the fate of good Developers. Anything that CAN be used against them will be.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 1:54:25 AM

Now I really hate this comment. Why should you have even brought up rap? About 99% of this community hate it when politicians and public figures blame video games for today's woes, and you just tried to deflect hate directed toward the video game industry by turning the attention to Rap instead?

Thats F'd up. If most gamers on here hate when people bash their favorite entertainment medium, don't bring up another subject that millions of people love.

That is all...

*drops mic*

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:19:22 AM

I think he meant that a minority are up on arms about the use of the word Ho on the game yet it gets used frequently in some genres of music and there's no outcry. Bro's before Ho's is a tame use compared to the context of the word when I've heard it on the radio.

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JROD0823
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:39:30 AM

I for one never really cared one way or the other about the name of the trophy.

That being said, it doesn't really seem to fit the context of God of War, even considering the very tongue-in-cheek trophy list of the previous titles, seeing as how Kratos has always been a VERY solitary anti-hero.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 6:49:05 PM

Relax.

We do hate it when polies blame games for shootings and such, but that isn't what he is saying.

As others have said, he is pointing out that you would think if people are so offended by the use of the term "ho", that those same people would also complain about the use of the term in rap music.

Personally, I love rap music, but I wish rap music would stop being about sex and drugs, and about real things.

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MartyRules
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 10:46:40 PM
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Aww, I was hoping they wouldn't cave :(

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Jed
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 10:51:31 PM
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I wonder if the "Bros before hoes" trophy will stay that way if you earn it before downloading the patch.

Either way I think this is stupid. Leave it as-is.

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H0TSHELLZ
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:29:08 PM

No Patch download for me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 10:55:04 PM
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Pus*ies.

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Oxvial
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 11:02:01 PM

Agree, damn I miss the 90's when people actually complained to have a bloody/gore MK in the Snes instead of be a bunch of crybaby's for a trophy name.

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PSN French
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 11:18:09 PM
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So, we can run around in GTA and murder cops and prostitutes, steal cars and drive remaining passengers over a cliff or into the ocean... BUT if a NAME makes us uncomfortable?? I'm going to start praying for my God to take me to a different planet... I'm done here

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 11:26:28 PM
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The world is shifting to a "minorities rule" mindset, and it's rather sickening.

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Qwarktast1c
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 1:12:53 AM

exactly

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 11, 2013 @ 11:42:00 PM
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It's a just a goddamn trophy name and dude, GOW never was for children.

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Qwarktast1c
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 12:59:02 AM

too bad that most adults are still children mentally
our society is just becoming whinier by the day and it really is troubling. there's no such thing as real freedom of speech or expression anymore. any time that you try and say something you get shot down by the PC police as a racist, sexist, bigot, hater, etc.

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tes37
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 12:47:37 AM
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Changing the trophy to Bros before Sessler, would help hold the original sentiment.

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Qwarktast1c
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 1:01:41 AM

ha!

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dmiitrie
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 1:00:16 AM
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In the grand scheme of things, the name really wasn't that offensive, but Sony SM was dumb for putting it in to begin with. They really should have expected somebody to take issue with it and could have avoided this whole mess with just a little forethought.

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Amnesiac
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:11:07 AM

Your right this whole thing
so very preventable.

Naming a particular trophy like that in itself seems like an inside joke between some devs
and not by some happy accident


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Gabriel013
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:25:08 AM

preventable? The developers shouldn't be kowtowing to a vocal but incredibly small minority who want everything to be bland and inoffensive.

I saw NOTHING wrong with the trophy name and indeed I am offended that they caved in and changed it.

But you know what, it's ok to be offended. It doesn't really hurt and I don't know anyone who has died from it.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:05:26 AM
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Sessler has and always will be an Xbox fanboy. To me, he was looking for ANY excuse to bash an awesome Sony exclusive. After searching for days to find some sort of weak point to attack, the Bros before Hos was all he could come up with.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me...

It would be interesting to know just how many of the gamers who complained were actually PS3 gamers, and not xbox sheep following the shepard's slanderous ways.

Playstation gamers would of course be used to how women are treated in God of War games, and I don't think they would have been vocal enough to warrant any change from Sony SM.

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Amnesiac
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:20:20 AM
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people are too hyper-sensitive to s*ht that doesn;'t even matter
I wish they wou;d channel all that rage and outpour of emotion into something that can benefit the human race.
who really cares about the name of some trophy anyway?


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Pandacastro
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:27:27 AM
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The problem I have with this is that sessler and I think polygon was involved too, anyways they lied about the trophy. You don't get the trophy for killing her.

SPOILERS*


Orkos choses to help kratos over his own mom. Thats the literal definition of Broes before hoes. Thats why you get the trophy .

SPOILERS* END


It has nothing to do with the boss battle . Now its going to make SM look bad for changing it. Its going to make feminist look like they can't handled anything mildly offensive especially with all the stuff happening with Anita S. If I ever get this game I wont patch it till I get the trophy .

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 10:14:25 AM

If this is true now I want to punch Sessler for being an manipulative ass.

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___________
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 4:27:02 AM
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nice to see it changed, but you have to ask how it got through in the first place.
gotta love this wait and see attitude the worlds developing.
eh its ok, lets keep the aerosol cans next to the oven, its very unlikely anything will happen and if it does eh we can just move them its simple.
guess the term prevention is better than cure has gone out the window!

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Ishkur
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 4:34:36 AM
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I think developers should strive to offend to push boundaries. If they want gaming to grow up. But they don't. They want money. That is all.

EDIT: To elaborate some more; no one should EVER cater to the offended. It gives them rights they don't deserve.

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Gamer46
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 5:05:21 AM
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The sensitivity in the gaming community to stupid shit like this is beyond belief. And I continue to lose more and more respect for Adam Sessler.

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John Shoemaker
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 9:32:34 AM
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This is stupid. Leave things the way they are. You don't like something? Don't play it, don't buy, just go on with your life.
I am sick of this crap.

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wackazoa
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 10:51:30 AM
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Change it to ..... "IN YOUR PLACE WOMAN!"


That'll make it better.

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MKM
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 12:31:11 PM
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So as a female who is offended by the original name of the trophy, I'm now supposed to be OK with people calling me a "minority," "crybaby," etc.??? *This* is the type of attitude that using the term "hos" encourages. It's not about being PC, it's about respect! It's disrespectful, and they could have tried to find the tongue-in-cheek humor in another way. Just because GOW is not intended for children, it doesn't give it free license to offend.

For the record, I've never liked the term or the whole phrase.

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wackazoa
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:23:10 PM

Yes you are... you didnt realize that?

Actually I find it funny when people draw thier line in the sand and scream from the mountain tops to stop the pandering/entitlements to others who arent like them. Then when it comes something they feel is needed or theirs they will do the same thing they cried out against. We all do it, it's kinda our thing.

The key thing is to not get offended and if your are, to not use the product or service that offended. Sucks that thats the way it is.

And for the respect thing... I am afraid in todays world there just isnt time for chivalry and being gentlemanly as it gets in the way of business.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, March 14, 2013 @ 4:42:49 AM

She is totally entitled to feel angry about a mainstream game doing stupid shit like this. Problem with the gaming community right there. You just told her how she is expected to react...

If there were more guys on this website that felt angry about this maybe there would be more women that came here to read news and interact...

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Robochic
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:09:59 PM
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i'm a woman and could care less people have to get their sticks out of their *$$ and enjoy life and stop complaining. IT's simple you don't like ti then don't play the game i've heard worse from people than this. They should of left it.

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:38:25 PM

I think some people doesn't realize the real meaning of hoe, hoes doesn't stand for ''woman'' but a b*tch, looks like Sessler actually overacted and didn't say there was a legitimate reason why the trophy name actually fit,I'm not gonna spoil much but other person in the game actually chose to help Kratos instead of favor the hoe.

And if the Harpy is like the one it appears in the demo the term hoe really fits her, girls that are offended are probably hoes :p

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xenris
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 2:10:40 PM
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Like someone described above the trophy is given because Orkos helps kratos instead of his mother, so the term fits properly. I haven't played the game but I heard other people saying this as well so my confusion about why it was called bros before hos in the first place is gone.

Now instead I'm left feeling like Adam Sessler jumped the gun and didn't pay attention to why the trophy was called what it was. On top of that it really doesn't matter what it is called does it? The female furies beat you up, torture you and in general cause Kratos a lot of discomfort. So when he returns the favor it is sexist or something like that?

I just don't get why everyone is so sensitive about things like this, how can a trophy title something that doesn't affect the gameplay make you not enjoy a game?

Further this is probably going to get people like PETA freaking out that you cut open an elephants skull, rip off the wings of "bird like" creature, and dissect the stomach of a "horse"(centaur)

I saw the scene on youtube btw the one where you beat her up, and its not actualy as violent as what he does to most of the other creatures, in fact its quite tame. It is no where near as bad as when he leaves that poor girl to grind in the gears in GoW3. This "ho" deserves it :P

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Oxvial
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 @ 3:46:25 PM

I agree this guy is a disservice to gaming journalism, he spoiled a scene bu he made it sound like 50 times worse skipping details like why the name really fits the scene just to cause controversy, I never gonna take one of his reviews seriously.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, March 14, 2013 @ 4:18:11 AM
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Good, it was in poor taste and should have never been named that in the first place. Sometimes public outcry has it right. Context of the violence in GOW is fine but this just undercuts it and someone obviously got their wires crossed. Nothing to do with PC, it's about respect and just a plain dumb thing to have in a game in the 21st century.

You can say it's just a trophy what's the big fuss but these issues are important, especially in gaming as it is one of the most backward corners in how it treats women in entertainment. Both it's female fans, countless articles wondering if they actually exist or are they "faking it", subtle, not so subtle hostile through lines toward the female gamer and how difficult it is to be within the industry...

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ricksterj
Thursday, March 14, 2013 @ 12:19:01 PM
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Censorship at its finest. Thanks but no thanks. I'll wait a LONG WHILE til this games comes DOWN to oh say $5 - $10 (if at all) NEW or until the second coming.

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rainbow4w
Thursday, March 14, 2013 @ 12:45:23 PM
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If a game offends you don't buy it! If you bought a movie and it was offensive to you would you try an complain so they would change the movie! They don't change movies so why should they change games. This is so silly an Adam sux at God of war that's why he found something to complain about. Hell he said he had to get one of his friends to beat a part in Ascension he couldn't get past..lol! What a sore loser he is!

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