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Lightning Returns: The Tragic Comedy Gets Worse And Worse

Hey, there's nothing wrong with the Dark Souls games. They're pretty damn good, in fact.

But I don't think anybody expected any semblance of Dark Souls to be found in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII. According to what producer Yoshinori Kitase said, though (via Kotaku), there will be some "elements" of the new FF that are akin to the "severity of a game like Dark Souls.

And I echo the author's sentiment- "Oh, crap..." We know the game is drastically different than any past FF entry, as it's open-world, the combat is performed solo (and in real-time), and players will have to deal with a 13-day time limit. Now we learn three more troubling pieces of information: First, it actually isn't 13 days...it's 7. Yeah, 7. You can only expand it to 13 by completing certain side-quests. Secondly, you will have a limited number of inventory slots for items. Thirdly and lastly, combat doesn't grant you experience or money.

I have no idea what sort of game this is, but I know this- I don't care.

Related Game(s): Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Tags: lightning returns final fantasy xiii, lightning returns ffxiii, dark souls

6/20/2013 12:58:43 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (64 posts)

ProfPlayStation
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:17:40 PM
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Don't buy it. Problem solved. Money talks and it's all SquareEnix will hear.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:19:18 PM

Uh no, catastrophic losses haven't taught them anything.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:28:12 PM

Sad but true, World.

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kraygen
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:14:07 AM

in fact if history teaches us anything it's that by us not buying this game, the game having terrible sales equating to a huge loss, SE will essentially take that to mean that they need to make it even less like FF of old.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:18:51 PM
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Jesus Christ. This just gets worse and worse. I don't even know if I will bother getting it used at this rate. What are they trying to do kill us? Why would you want gamers to hate your games?

WHAT IS HAPPENING?

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:01:41 PM

+1

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Comic Shaman
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:01:52 PM

I think the only thing that's missing in this game is a tacked-on Multiplayer mode, and then the disintegration of any meaning that the Final Fantasy name once held will be complete.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:30:10 PM

I think the only reason we won't see multiplayer is because they don't have time. You can probably expect a significant portion of the game to be DLC though.

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DrRockso87
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:35:35 PM
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"I have no idea what sort of game this is, but I know this- I don't care."

My reaction to Final Fantasy XIII-2 as well. Don't like this series.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:04:07 PM
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........................
I don't know what to say anymore..

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coverton341
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:10:37 PM
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Hell, even Dark Souls had a level up system and you got money/experience from fighting in the way of souls.

What exactly is FFXII-LR? It surely isn't an RPG of any sorts.

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daus26
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:13:47 PM
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Lol, and I actually thought it couldn't get any worse. Apparently, I've been proved wrong.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:16:05 PM
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Oh come now... I know it is hardly up to the 'FF standard' but comparing it to Dark Souls is a bit much... This title will certainly not be as overrated I can assure you...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:34:07 PM

WE didn't compare it to Dark Souls. The PRODUCERS did.

There comes a point where you simply can't defend it anymore.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:20:37 PM

This game doesn't even deserve to be mentioned on the same breath as Demon's/Dark Souls. The latter are real RPGs while Lightning Returns is a game that doesn't even know what it is supposed to be.

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 2:51:41 AM

lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:32:00 PM
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In XIII it FELT like there was no purpose to fighting because you got all your health back afterward, almost never got paid, and the abilities you gained became a part of a hardly noticeable autobattle mechanic... but now the battles won't just feel pointless they will actually BE pointless.

Call me bitter, call me anything you want but I want this game to fail so hard that it physically makes people sick.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:21:44 PM

Same here, World. I did not even bother buying FF XIII-2 even if I've seen brand new copies for less than $20.

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Oxvial
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:32:43 PM
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Final Fantasy like Dark Souls?...lol sorry but not the core of Dark Souls is the methodical combat/strategy this games doesn't look like that.

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MrAnonymity
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:18:37 PM
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I must agree with World's sentiments that this game NEEDS to fail. Honestly, this is on par with turning Star Fox into an adventure game hero. Next we'll see, what, a Final Fantasy shooter? Wait... oops... *cough* dirgeofcerberus *cough*

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:34:34 PM

I think I spent a total of 15 minutes with Dirge.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:42:38 PM

i actually thoroughly enjoyed DOC, it was fun and well thought out, even if it didn't match the MO.
Have you seen how awesome the kick combo is for Turk Vincient, that was some BA stuff.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:06:27 PM

Well I don't think people really gave Dirge the praise it deserved.

It was a spin-off, I mean it wasn't a direct FF entry. Just like Versus was a spin-off, and no one cared about the gameplay of that.

Dirge fit the brief for a game featuring Vincent Valentine, and it all tied nicely into the FFVII world.

Hell, it was a FFVII game though, so who cares what the gameplay is, if it shows me more of that awesome. It could have been a puzzle game and I still would have played it.

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 2:53:49 AM

I enjoyed DoC a lot... but probably because my expectations weren't high. I knew exactly what it was before I got it. I didn't have any expectation at all that it played like FF nor that it was replacing the gameplay of FF.

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:39:27 PM
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The premise seems very interesting. Definitely a day one purchase for me. If the gameplay is solid, I'll have absolutely no complaints. I'm looking forward to seeing how Lightning is sent off. I like that character. As far as the name on the box, I really don't give a care. It boggles the mind that so many people talk more about games(and systems) they don't intend to buy then those They do. Too much negativity in my hobby.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:03:16 PM

Well, you know, some people actually care about franchises they grew up with actively being destroyed.

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:00:58 PM

A bit melodramatic there. I care about good games.Period. If it's in an existing franchise or new IP, doesn't matter. I loved Phantasy Star on the Genesis especially 3, but I didn't cry and moan when they made it an online game. I bought it and enjoyed it. Still got my RPG fill with Skies of Acadia, too. The FF13 experiment is interesting to me. You rarely see games try different gameplay types in the same universe. Each game brings an entirely different experience. For me as a gamer, I like that. Some people like franchises to change slightly, but in essence be the same exact game. I like change..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:06:11 PM

Then obviously, you'd have no trouble with Final Fantasy being an FPS.

Well, fine. Just don't act like everyone else is wrong because you care nothing for the integrity and identity of an established IP.

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Comic Shaman
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:27:38 PM

@KidP:

"I like change! You people are stuck in the past!" That's a disingenuous position (and melodramatic).

Final Fantasy fans LOVE change. It was a point of pride for many years that each iteration of the series explored a completely new world, with a new cast of characters, focused on a new grand theme. We loved it when the series took big risks in storytelling (like killing off the love interest in the middle of the tale) or branched out in new gameplay directions (Final Fantasy Tactics is one of the most beloved FF games of all time). These games were not all "in essence the same exact games," as you contend.

The Final Fantasies of this gen have been shadows of their predecessors. I didn't find FFXIII to be as absolutely terrible as some, but there's no question it is a huge step back from its predecessors. The qualities that I cherished most in Final Fantasy games have been further marginalized with each iteration of the FFXIII series, and Lightning Returns looks to continue that trend.

It's fine to claim that you want great games and don't care about the name. That argument might hold some water if this generation's Final Fantasy games were great. They're not. They've been adequate-to-disastrous, depending on the title. The past Final Fantasy games WERE great, and the loss of the series' greatness is a tragedy to fans who actually care.

You can sneer all you like from your pedestal and bemoan the negativity of your hobby, but if there is any chance at all of Square reversing course and actually remembering the things that once made Final Fantasy the gold standard of RPGs, it will happen because fans speak up--with their voices and their money.

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:35:31 PM

I didn't have an issue with Metroid being an FPS nor did I have a problem with Red Faction becoming a TPS. Of course those genres are a bit more interchangeable than RPG to FPS but if there was an FF off shoot done in the first person and it was good, I'd definitely buy it. I think wishing a game to fail because a person doesn't. like it is incredibly stupid and wrong

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:47:47 PM


Keeping this succinct. You have enough verbosity for the both of us They don't like change. FF13 is a great game. Negativity stretches far beyond the FF series, I just mentioned it here.

Done..

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Briar
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:33:00 PM

I'm with you, KP

I think it will be interesting to see how they experimented with this one and I honestly cannot wait to see how the gameplay system works!
I think at the end of the day, it's the players individual choice as to how they receive the franchise. I'm totally ready to hop on and have a blast playing!

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:35:14 PM

Final Fantasy is a series that a lot of gamers grew up with and enjoyed.

I was too young at the time, but I spent a LOT of time playing all the original FF titles on SNES emulators when I was a young lad. They saved me from a rather grim existence at times, and hold a place in my heart, I'm not alone in this, a lot of people feel the same.

FFVII was sort of a life changing event. Only those that experienced it at the time can ever truly understand it.

During the current generation, Squeenix has been seeking ways to increase it's sales throughout the world, because apparently FF was a failing franchise in it's old form? Anyway, during it's analysis of the success of Western titles, they decided to make the game more fast paced an intense. This was the beginning of the end for FF. FFXII featured some big changes, and FFXIII was a huge departure, and ever since then, every single FF game they have released is more and more based on the gameplay of action adventure games.

They aren't 'trying different gameplay types' they are simply trying to emulate something else. Monkey see monkey do. You know what though? it's NOT working, international sales of FF games has decreased dramatically, and what was their answer? "That FF game didn't do well, it mustn't have been fast, dumb, and easy enough for Westerners to enjoy! Let's try again, and THIS time, make it Western!". Then the next one fails more.

They see each failure, as the product not being something the world can enjoy.

Sure, the quality of their games is generally top notch. But they are missing the point, and always have. So you see, they aren't trying something new, they are deliberately butt f**king a franchise. They should have made it a spin-off franchise, or a new IP, and told whatever stories they wanted, while trying something COMPLETELY new for FF by going back to its roots.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:55:43 PM

It's really too bad that you're dead flat wrong, Kid. If we all hated change, you would've seen this rebellion for Final Fantasy XII. Didn't happen. A few people, myself included, were a little suspicious at first, but then we realized that it was still an RPG. Maybe it wasn't the kind of RPG we expected from Final Fantasy, but it was still role-playing. And it was still great.

You really think people should stick their heads in the sand when it's not even in the same GENRE? And when the quality has CONSIDERABLY declined? That's the epitome of narrow-minded, my friend.

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darxed
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:00:51 AM

Not everyone liked XII Ben... As for myself and some other friends that are huge FF fans we actually liked XIII way more than XII, which is still the only FF(main series or spinoff) that I've only played once, and that didn't motivate me to get 100%.

The problem with XII was the story and the uninteresting characters, which FFXIII didn't have. I really liked Lightning, Sazh and Fang, Vanille would have been a great character if it weren't for the VA, Noel was a really pleasant surprise and I still think Caius is one of the most convincing and well thought villains in all of the franchise. That's the reason I'm getting this game, Cause I wan't to know how the story ends and what happens to the characters.

In my view, FF was never about mechanics, the great Hironobu Sakaguchi said himself that they always did the best they could with the technology they had, and that he would have loved to make FF more action oriented from the beginning. FF was an always has been about the story and the characters and in that respect, XIII was more of an FF than XII.

/rant

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 11:10:37 AM

Never said anything about mechanics.

FFXII was an RPG. FFXIII was much less of an RPG, and Lightning Returns isn't an RPG at all.

That's the only point I'm trying to make.

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darxed
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:18:11 PM

@Kip

I posted a similar comment on negative before reading yours... since I'm not alone in this world after all... I'm pretty intrigued by this game, and I'm hopeful It'll turn out a good game. More than anything, I'm really looking forward to the conclusion of the story of the FFXIII characters, as I've come to like them quite a bit.

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 2:56:04 AM

Ugh... how do people misuse the term "melodrama" so often? Why can't you just say, "Over dramatic". It is not the same as melodrama.... geeze.... (Sorry... theatre major in me is freaking out.)

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persianhero
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:02:21 PM
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I actually am really looking forward to this. the graphics looks good, combat isnt as boring as the ff13 and of all the ff13 characters i liked lightning the best. i just hope the story doesnt suck or gets too confusing and stuff!

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ImTheMan
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:18:31 PM
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Hey Ben how about posting an article on our PS3's bricking from this update so it won't happen to others instead of another final fantasy is going to sh*t article? I think that's more important right now.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:33:11 PM

Over-exaggerated and not much of an issue, as far as I've heard from Sony. Didn't happen to me or anyone else I know, either.

And this is news. From Kotaku. Has nothing to do with me.

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gungrave
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:53:29 PM

@ImTheMan

"instead of another final fantasy is going to sh*t article?"

No kidding :/

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 2:58:51 AM

lol Gungrave, how do you miss what Ben just said?

I'm sorry, but I -need- this site to report on what major producers of video games say. it's sort of the point of video game journalism and gaming news...

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trumpetmon65
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:21:38 PM
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hopefully it won't be as bad as it seems. I still applaud square for trying to go so far out of what is considered their comfort zone. Or I could just say "something something something positive thinking. something something something progressive."

Seriously though, I remain hopeful.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:36:11 PM
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i actually don't mind this. if anything it means i'll have to play harder on a final fantasy then i have in the past. and since it's the first "part 3" of a final fantasy, i have to play it, even if i wait for the price drop.

As long as they have an extensive skill and equipment system we'll see some good.

And if they do the stupid CP points for accessories i'll hex edit that up past 300-500 and play the game fairly.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:44:14 PM

any word on if it'll be looped? like if i die, i start the days over? because i can deal with that.
And i bet post game will be the best part.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:06:16 PM

I'd prefer not to have to start a whole game over and over because of an artificial time clock meant to make a 10 hour game into a 30 hour game because you're forced to keep replaying it.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:36:55 PM

nah, i mean like breath of fire dragon quarter. building up and going all out only to try again and be better and stronger.

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Crabba
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:12:22 PM
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This is like if PopCap would turn Plants vs Zombies into a 3rd person action game.. oh wait..

Sigh! What has the world come to.

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Mdash0009
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:12:56 PM
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What FF 1-10 wasn't open world? All of them were unless I'm misunderstanding "open-world"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:53:27 PM

They weren't open world in the modern sense of the term.

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homura
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:12:44 PM
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"limited number of inventory slots for items."
It's officially now a hack and slash game. But I'm still going to get this cheap just to see the ending.

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kraygen
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:20:16 AM
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I have read very little about this game, but now it appears I need to, not because I have any desire to play it, but what is this about a time limit? How do you have a time limit to beat the game?
Does this mean if suddenly family comes to visit after you started the game, you will have to start over once they leave because you didn't play it a few days.
If it is at all like it sounds I can only say, How Dumb.

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Draguss
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:29:40 AM
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*Sigh* Square... http://youtu.be/oEjVpgLkeFg

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___________
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:08:08 AM
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you dont care, so why do you keep whinging about it?

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darxed
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:16:21 AM
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So, another negative article about LR:FFXIII.... sigh.

You know, I've come to this site since 2006, before the PS3 was launched. I don't post much but I really like it here. This was the first site I found that had a community that seemed to mirror my taste in games, oriented more to the RPGs than the FPSs... But It seems that everyday (or at least every week) there's a new article bashing SE or FF and now, It's not even about games we've seen, It's about games that haven't even been released (World's article on FFXV and KH3 and this one).

Look, I know everyone has the right to have their opinion but this site is not and never has been about negativity, It's one of the things I love about it the most. We're all sony fans here, but we're not fanboys. You can engage almost anyone on the comments for a civilized discussion, So can we please, please stop with this type of articles? I get it, Ben, World, most of the contributors (and I imagine most of the site's members) don't like FFXIII and It's sequels, but some of us do. As others have stated, don't like it?, don't care about it?, well don't talk about it anymore and we can all get the positive PSXextreme we all know and love...

Please?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 11:09:20 AM

Again-

This is news from another source. And by the way, you might want to read that article at Kotaku. If you have an issue with negativity, go talk to them.

Furthermore, read the reviews. If I hated all the Final Fantasies, they wouldn't get the scores they have gotten, would they?

Lastly, I've done two articles on Lightning Returns that wasn't news. Two. Basically, I've known for years I can't do ONE without seeing this type of response, which is bizarre.

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darxed
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 11:48:16 AM

I didn't say you don't like all the FFs, I said you didn't like FFXIII and It's sequel and even though you gave them a good and an avobe average score, It was pretty clear you didn't like what they did with the Franchise (IIRC, you said you enjoyed FFXIII-2, but for all the wrong reasons?).

Also I didn't single you out, I was talking to the community here in general. And It's precisely because of the negativity that I don't go to Kotaku, I come here. You can't tell me that a headline like "Lightning Returns: The Tragic Comedy Gets Worse And Worse" is not negative...

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gungrave
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:57:40 PM

Thank you darxed. Instead of these articles, I would prefer articles about PS1 and Ps2 rpg games that new gamers aren't aware of. Also developer interviews about some of our beloved games from the past.

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 3:00:48 AM

darxed, those are the FF's he's talking about. Ben has been a reviewer here for the PS3 generation mostly.

His reviews are what he's talking about, and they were, for both games, quite on par with the rest of the gaming world.

You're trying to find hate where there is none.

@gungrave
not me. I want current news. Like this article. Information on the past can be found.... in the past... it's all recorded... go ahead... we'll wait. ;p

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Night_train80
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:34:35 PM
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FFXIII didn't meet their expectations so they made XIII-2. That failed so then they make this "thing" and throw a XIII on it. Seems like this is doomed to do even worse! I think S-E is going to keep trying until the XIII series is successful! Everything they showed us at E3 was just a promise but first we need to "enjoy" these or they'll keep making more until we do! "Here is what desert will be but first you have to clean your plate of all the Brussels sprouts and tell us how much you loved them!"

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SuMtOnE
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 2:49:53 PM
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speechless. i am not sure what is SE thinking. why are they making so many FFX111 series. just saved your money and stop producing crap. I was a hardcore SquareSOFT fan in the PS1 era til PS2. but my GOD! what have they done. just release FFX HD, KH3 and FF15 and go file BANKRUPTcy. not even sure what are they doing

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berserk
Sunday, June 23, 2013 @ 8:29:40 AM

Not before i get another chono , ff tactic ( not advance ) and vagrant story .Nvm , might as well let someone else buy those i.p and make them already .

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berserk
Sunday, June 23, 2013 @ 8:26:42 AM
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Wait for a used copy , don t give them money so they might one day gp back to ff of old ( you can change stuff while keeping what made final fantasy such a big franchise afterall ).

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