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Pissed Off Gamers Attack GameSpot's "Feminist" GTAV Review

This is almost too sensitive to touch, but I'll be gentle.

GameSpot's review of Grand Theft Auto V is now live, and the score is a solid 9.0. That's pretty darn good, but the score isn't the object of many a gamer's wrath right now.

Thanks to this "news" publication, which really heated up N4G, everyone is taking notice of the reaction to that review. Many gamers are annoyed that the critic in question, Carolyn Petit, called the game "misogynistic" and because of that apparent feminine bias, gave the game a lower score than it deserved. One especially irate poster even started a petition to get Petit fired for the review. Yes, fired.

Having been a critic for over 13 years, this is not an easy debate. First and foremost, though, let me begin by saying this- the idea that a critic should be fired for stating an opinion is not only laughable, it's illogical. You hired that individual to state his or her opinion, yes? Granted, that person should be an expert in the field, and understands that there are various qualitative aspects in all video games. And that person should be able to properly evaluate those aspects, as Petit clearly does (and has done) in her reviews. I'm also fairly certain she didn't break any company rule.

That being said, the issue of opinion affecting a review score is a difficult one. For instance, you will notice a comment on N4G that says, in so many words: "So, just because I don't like Japanese games, I'd give every Yakuza a 1/10?" That's a valid point. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's lacking in quality; personal preference has no bearing on quality. Unfortunately, because gaming is very complex, and there are both opinion-based and fact-based elements in any review, the issue becomes awfully hazy. How can we prove Petit docked GTAV a half-point or something like that because she was offended as a female gamer? And even if she did, would that be acceptable in that particular situation?

For my part, I have no problem with the review. And do you know why? Because all Petit's reasons for the score were explained in full in the analysis. If the review had been posted and nothing about misogyny had been mentioned, and we found out later that she had indeed lowered her score for that reason, without explaining why, I'd take issue with that. But we can read. I would read that and go, "oh, so this game maybe got to her a little, and she scored it a mite lower." My conclusion is that the game is probably worthy of a 9.5 or even higher, and I have the information I need; I have the information for which I read reviews. And I have it because she gave me every detail I required.

Whining about the score is just childish, and has absolutely nothing to do with the critic. Rather, it has everything to do with the immature nature of some gamers who unfortunately plague many a forum and community.

Related Game(s): Grand Theft Auto V

Tags: grand theft auto v review, gtav review, gamespot gtav review

9/16/2013 9:14:26 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (79 posts)

LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 9:58:29 PM
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Isn't the "she" really a dude?

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tes37
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:08:41 PM

Maybe she's a hermaphrodite.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:10:29 PM

Dude look like a lady.

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bebestorm
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:21:09 PM

Good to know Im not the only one who noticed it....

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cLoudou
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:30:48 PM

Its a trap! Not a very good trap tho.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:39:12 PM

You all may not know but he/she started going through "gender reassignment" a few years ago. he/she was born a man but transferred over to a female look. The point I was making is he/she is still a dude and I find it hilarious that the backlash he/she is receiving depicts he/she as a female with a female mentality.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:45:14 PM

Shows you how gender identity really throws people off who can't look at somebody and tick a box.

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souljah92
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 4:04:52 AM

I am aroused.

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PSN French
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 10:13:40 PM
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I agree it isn't fair to call a game misogynistic, when it's trying to be satirical. Part of the dark humor requires an exaggeration of perceived qualities in our society. However, I still thought his/her review was good.

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BigT_1980
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 10:25:31 PM
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I thought she did a good job on the review as well. But I really believe that Gamespot wanted to rile up the readers for more hits on the site with the critic they chose to use and they knew she would rub the readers the wrong way. This is going to be a 2 for 1 ratings boost for Gamespot. They know this is going to get all the irate, egocentric, elitist who think there opinion is the only one that matters to release their nerd rage. With all the irate comments they will be receiving, they will have plenty of fuel for there next segment of Feedbackula.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 10:36:40 PM
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I'm not even going to bother to read it, they wanted her to do it so they wanted her input and she gave it.

Unless it's purely unreasonable like Tom Chick or Jim Sterling then there's nothing to be upset over really. It's not a 2 or even the dreaded 7, maybe she thought GTA's parody has headed into dumb territory I dunno.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:21:12 PM

yah, haven't read it. Don't care to.

...but I wonder what she'd say about DOA. haha

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cLoudou
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 10:38:22 PM
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Fanboys gonna fanboy.

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 10:55:40 PM

No.

You can't review a game based on your views of society. And BTW this game reflects society anyway. Saying what she said just means she denies all that happens on a daily basis.

She should be fired because I don't want to read a review that is affected by someone's view of society. EX: the person does not like gay couples so gives lower score to ME or something. That person should not be allowed to review for a big source like GameSpot. It is also unfair for the developer in question to have a biased person judge and rate their game.

All in all when I read a review I want a neutral opinion. IF the reviewer has disdain for certain subjects, just don't review that game. Go review the next Dora or something. You know what I mean. This is a mature game based on society. For sure it's going to be messed up.

Or at least state your opinion but leave it as a side dish. Like: Part of this game was not for me blah blah. Don't let your own personal tastes impact the review.

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OverBerg
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:39:24 AM

GTA reflects society??
Hmm... I guess you shoot a lot more bazookas while casually walking down the street than I do.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:48:36 AM

Yes! Thank you OverBerg. This review I don't mind, Keza's from IGN was annoying. Apparently GTVA is some kind of social commentary/essay on everyday American life. She needs to go.

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:20:58 PM

Well it's pretty much a mature satire of society. Im not talking about how you can shoot people with bazookas. Although you could and if you would cops would try to kill you. Only diff is that you can do w/e you want in gta. But the attitude of the characters are society stereotypes. She knew what she was playing beforehand. Her opinion was un-needed it was just there for her to have her little propaganda moment. You don't review GTA thinking it will reek of respect with poneys and chidren holding hands singning a choir. What she said was totally out of place. And if she has so little experience that she did not know gta was a mature satire of society, she should not have been allowed/hired to do this.

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tes37
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:18:55 PM
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By now no one should be surprised by any of the actions in a GTA game. If the Hybrid reviewer ( credit to LV ) has been a critic for over thirteen years, there should have been some foreknowledge of what to expect and it shouldn't affect the score.

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bebestorm
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:25:22 PM
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Gamers are getting worse and worse...

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Xombito
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:31:51 PM

They are. Its starting to get ridiculous.

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:33:35 PM

Nope. Reviewers are. A lot of them are trying to push unjustified feminist propaganda at us and force their opinions. It is actually good that people get angry so maybe they stop doing it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:33:43 PM

Eh, as far as crazy gamer behavior goes this is pretty tame. I think we can file this one under "internet culture" more than "gamer culture".

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bebestorm
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:53:00 AM

Sorry I file this under Gamers whining yet again and acting like fools.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:21:06 AM

I accept your apology.

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Xombito
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:28:39 PM
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Oh come on. Has Gamespot ever really score a game higher than a 9. I don't think I've ever seen it. As far as I'm concerned that's a perfect score from them.

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 11:34:43 PM

http://www.gamespot.com/grand-theft-auto-iv/

gta 4 scored 10.

Now what say you?

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Xombito
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 2:19:17 AM

I say so what? My comment clearly shows I'm unsure of myself on the topic. I'm was aware that they may have scored a few 10s in their time. But its very rare. That's what I was trying to emphasize. Fallout 3, Bioshock, Bioshock Infinite, Journey, Halo 4, Skyrym, Uncharted 3, Borderlands 2 all scored 9s ot lower. Red Dead and Uncharted 2 scored 9.5s. All game of the year contenders. My point is 9 is a great score and a bunch of dudes having a problem of what a female critic giving her personal opinion, which she's free to do and is what she's paid to do on a game reeks of irony.

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:09:24 PM

She's not paid to give her opinion. She's paid to review a game and she represents GAMESPOT.

She gives a critique of all the aspects of the game/mechanics and how the story is chained and so on.

I don't give a rat's ass about what *Catherine* thinks. I look at the review thinking this is what *GAMESPOT* thinks.

BUT to mix in her personal beliefs about different views and to LOWER the score for that reason is WRONG. I don't care what the score is in the end. Lowering the score of a game based on your own views/religion or w/e should not be something acceptable when you are a big reviewer like gamespot. Thats is why it is wrong. And to prove what I say you can clearly see that GTA4 got a 10 because it was not impacted by a dumb reviewer. It was judged for what it was. And like I said I totally don't mind them saying how *this game would not be for them because they support feminism or w/e* But don't lower the score for that reason.

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JDC80
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:28:21 AM
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Not sure why people put so much stock in reviewers, it's one person opinion and this person gave it a 9/10 not 2.5/10 or 6.0 out of 10.

And the people who think GTA V should got a higher score they're not helping the game and their case if they're attacking the critic's sexuality.



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OverBerg
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:29:10 AM
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Ugh. This whole outrage with her review is b.s. and blown way out of proportion. Whatever Carolyn's gender identity is has absolutely nothing to do with the final outcome of the game, no matter if she used the word misogyny in the review. The people complaining about scoring the game a very solid 9 are just little kids who have to complain about something. As Ben states, the review is still valid and all points are laid out fairly well. Do I agree with all of it? No. Will this change whether or not I purchase the game? No. Just read her review and then make your own decision once you play the game. You're going to buy it anyway, just like me.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:19:52 PM

I brought up her gender confusion as an ironic coincidence based on the backlash he/she has received.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:30:20 AM
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How very Gloria Steinem of him. If true, about she really being a he, which a quick Google search seems to confirm, it's kinda hard to take his complaints seriously. Should he be fired? Absolutely not. Should gamers get over it( 9/10 is still a damn good score) Absolutely.

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Ultima
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:10:15 PM

OKay first of all, it is not correct to refer to her as "he".

Second, are you serious? You really think, regardless of gender perspective, that her opinion can't be taken serious because "she's really a he"? What elitist nonsense is that?

But yes, gamers should get over it. It's not even though she disliked the game! Merely said that it has some issues.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:32:05 PM

First of all, Get bent. His DNA says he's a he so he's a he. I will not be party to a lie in order to advance your PC agenda.

Second of all, Get bent again as a man who's pretending to be a lady obviously has ZERO understanding of what it means to be on the receiving end of misogyny given the fact she is really a he.

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 19, 2013 @ 1:29:49 AM

Jawks not American because his DNA says he's Mexican.

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cLoudou
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:10:59 AM
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It's just one review, and she/he gave it a 9. Stop being so overly critical and enjoy the game. Does one review make you enjoy the game any less? Chances are you've already bought/pre-ordered the game prior to reading the review anyways.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:11:41 AM
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Oh no guys, never mind this story, the DC shooter played violent video games. Get ready for another wave.

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cLoudou
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:17:53 AM

Of course, GTAV played a role it only released an hour ago.

Please, everyone and their mamas plays "games". Might as well blame Candy Crush or Angry Birds.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:22:04 AM

Even though GTA V comes out after the guy's dead, guess which game will get all the anger?

Oh well, it will just help sales.

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Kryten1029a
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:31:58 PM

They're using the old, reliable Call of Duty scapegoat so far.

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Brighat
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:24:01 AM
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Reading reviews for a proven franchise like Grand Theft Auto isn't worth the time.

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Simcoe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:04:42 PM

Totally agree with you. I believe part of all this silliness is because people bypass the review and just look at the score. Clearly for a game like GTAV, people are outraged that someone could give it a 9/10.

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reryan
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:27:08 AM
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First of all if someone identifies their gender as a female, we should call her "she". Not he/she or what have you. It's polite and in 2013 we should be more enlightened.

I read this review before I knew there was a controversy and I thought everything about it was fair. This was not the only review that I read that commented on the utter lack of women in this game. Certain other aspects of the game such as the waterboarding and racial implications can be interpreted as purposeful to the satirical nature of GTA, even though it may make some uncomfortable. But the idea that the game includes no major female characters, and the background females are largely portrayed to be dumb or bitchy, I can understand how that can raise eyebrows. Especially in the current era with a quickly increasing base of core female gamers.

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bebestorm
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:58:49 AM

I am woman and Ive had zero problem with the content in GTA games the thing with this type of setting is if R did include stronger women they would no different than the males just another thug.

Rockstar showed they can have strong female characters in Red Dead Redemption Bonnie MacFarlane was excellent.

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Gordo
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 4:29:53 AM

I agree with reryan. If a reviewer says in their opinion the game doesn't represent women well then they may have a valid point.

It will be for us to take this opinion on board (as part of the wider collection of reviews) and evaluate rationally as adults.

This backlash is just another example of the immaturity of this artistic medium and just more fuel to the fire of kids equals videogames debate.

I come to this site however for adult and rational news and discussion. Never disappointed!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:21:15 PM

Okay, I want to be a dinosaur. Please refer to me as a dinosaur. Thanks!

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PlatformGamerNZ
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:40:34 AM
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yeah idk if people sud get up in arms about it but i think i people wanted further explaination they sud have just asked i mean thats the logical and 'mature' thing to do right.

happy gaming =)

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Ather
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 2:43:34 AM
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OMG! One person didn't like the game. Let's execute her for having a different opinion.

Video games don't make people violent. Stupid, on the other hand . . .

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telly
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:43:25 AM

I'd just like to point out she gave the game a NINE OUT OF TEN. She really, really liked it! She just thought it wasn't quite a 10. I agree with you, btw, I am just blown away that some folks on the internet don't seem to understand 9 out of ten is an excellent, amazing score.

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homura
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 2:52:50 AM
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I just read her review. She's reviewing Grand Theft Auto and she's complaining about the game celebrating sexism. When in the past GTA you can chainsaw a prostitute and etc..

But the thing that bothers me most is her last sentence.

"Your time in Los Santos may leave you with a few psychological scars, but you shouldn’t let that stop you from visiting."

I think Carolyn and the guy that started a petition for her to be fired needs help. ASAP. Hehe.

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Ishkur
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:33:00 AM
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Almost every single review on gamespot gets a shitstorm sent at it.. People still don't know that a review is a subjective, personal opinion.

The fact that people care so much is hilarious!

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___________
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 4:16:47 AM
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sigh.
this is EXACTLY why i stopped reading/ basing any believability behind reviews YEARS ago!
people just cant review a game for what it IS, they always have to twist things.
the point of a game is to have FUN, to tell a story.
so what the flying %$#@ does the story being childish, sexist, blah, blah, blah, have to do with a review?
you dont like the way the game portrays whatever, fine thats your view, it has NOTHING to do with the review!
plus, has she even looked at previous GTA games?
this is like reviewing a quentin tarantino movie and bitching about how overly violent it is!
1 that has NOTHING to do with how good a movie it is, and 2 WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU EXPECT ITS A TARANTINO MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
next she will walk into the conjuring and start whining that its too scary.

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Ishkur
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 8:14:14 AM

Yes, exactly.. What does the structure of the story have to do with the game.. Or how the characters are portrayed.. lol.. Jesus, let him/her have his/her opinion.

The fact that we still are in this situation, where people get pissed off at a review score, is all in the blame of reviewers. It should be clear, in every review, on every site, that it is their subjective opinions being portrayed. And we'd all be happy.. Probably not though..

A review doesn't apply to everyone. It never will. Understand goddamnit lol.. I wanna shout it in the face of everyone, but then again, I really don't care enough.

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___________
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 12:05:08 PM

but reviews are not opinion, its as simple as that.
if it was any bimbo could do it.
bitching about a game in a review just because it does not have what you THINK it should have is just stupid!
games should be reviewed on what they DO, not what you THINK they SHOULD do.

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Masszt3r
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:12:47 PM

Reviews are opinions in many areas. There are technical things that you could say are not subjective, such as graphics, sound, etc., but there are things that are highly subjective. Music in some games could be great for you but awful for others; plot twists could be good for you but ridiculous for others; the way characters are portrayed could be interesting for you but dull for others; you may have liked gameplay from one game but probably hated it for the game's sequel.

All of this applies to other industries. Some people may have loved Watchmen, while others hated it, or the same thing with The Avengers.

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Ishkur
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 6:17:56 PM

Do yourself a favor, read any review on the internet and ask yourself, which elements of the review cannot be applied as opinion.

With an open mind, the results may amaze you.

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:22:10 PM

*Jesus, let him/her have his/her opinion.*

If you want to push your own views, don't do it representing GAMESPOT. ALSO, it is to note that that comment was totally misplaced as she/he KNEW what type of game he/she was getting into. It was totally free and disgusting. Can't believe you can't see that.

*Reviews are opinions in many areas.*

Exactly, *many areas*. The area she chose to give an opinion on was unfortunately not one that we want to hear from. She is there as a gamespot reviewer, not as a feminist wannabe. She knows what she is reviewing. If it's not her cup of tea just stay out of it. On the other hand Gamespot might have done it to generate more clics.

Rare for me to aggree with you _________ but you are right. People should just stop to think a second. Look at it from 3rd person view a bit! lol Look at what she says and why she is complaining. You should be able to see that it is stricly there to provoke and push her views that HAVE NOTHING TO DO with gaming. Just using a game with tons of stereotypes to promote her beliefs. Heck if I wanted I could use GTA, review it and promote racism! Know what i mean?

Also, the power of a reviewer is not to be underestimated... Not to be mean but look at what was said here on this very page

*I agree with reryan. If a reviewer says in their opinion the game doesn't represent women well then they may have a valid point. *

This is how bad it can get. When you are a reviewer, you HAVE to make sure you stay neutral on personal beliefs. You are influencing the world. It is sooooo wrong you guys seem to have no idea. XD



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Ishkur
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 10:13:07 AM

So, according to your logic, anyone can make a game where you're a child molestor, but no one reviewer is to point out that child molestation isn't alright, but should score the game on it's gameplay/sound/graphics. I see. If the reviewer feels disgust playing the game, and the, oh I don't know, child molestation keeps the reviewer from enjoying the game, it's not up to the reviewer to say that in the review.

Reviews are opinion. Get it.

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Neo_Aeon666
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 10:53:31 PM

Being a child molestor isn't a belief. It's a sickness.

You're the one who doesn't get anything... Damn. Maybe in a few years you can see the difference... Also you skipped the whole point that her opinion was totally misplaced and pushed there just for the sake of propaganda. It did not have it's place there. Anyway no use to arguing... Just re-read what I said and maybe at some point it will make sense.

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I007spectre
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 9:16:31 AM
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You should read The Escapist's review 7/10.

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Jalex
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:20:08 PM

Yeah, but The Escapist is a communist rag.

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PC_Max
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:09:02 AM
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The only thing I would disagree with is all reviews of game, movies, book, whatever are personal opinions. They have to be.

I could use Last of US as an example or things that were and were not ignored by people. Not that has to do with an individuals opinion, but it is personal experience based on what they encountered through the game, giving them ... a personal view, experience and/or opinion of the game.

And Last of Us was a great game residing in my top 5 games of the PS3.

And criticism of a reviewers .... review of a game is nothing new. This has been going on for decades, even before vid games came about. I am sure Ben has had his fair share. I would say he has his own opinions wrapped in his reviews, he is entitled to, and from my view he allows myself and others to share in his experience with a game and shares his thoughts/review of that game broken down in to elements.

That seems to getting BAD, Mass Effect 3 reactions a perfect example, is how invested emotionally gamers have gotten with games. And if this emotional attachments has always been there, they have been getting more verbal about it. In some case quite abusive if not almost violent via words. Something else that plays in to the hands of the anti-gamer.

A review is an individuals review. Whether you find it informative and professional or not ... in your own opinion. I came to this site because of all the other forms, sites I have visited.... THIS site seemed to be closer in tune to what I thought was a friendly and informative one.... with the occasional oddity occurring. lol.

Take everything with a grain of salt in this world of anonymity, look at multiple reviews, and make your own case as to whether to buy or not. Reviews try to be objective, but they are human and its near impossible not to be influenced by your own opinion.

Cheers! and Keep Playing!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:40:50 AM

Quality can exist separate from opinion.

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PC_Max
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:26:03 PM

Quality is int he eye of the beholder, like beauty.... therefore ones opinion based on how their own experiences.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 3:31:30 PM

PC_Max you're arguing a point that's been debated for a very long time. The problem here is that you're suggesting that nothing should be valued from critical opinion because it's all in each other's own that perceives entertainment.
But in doing so you toss theories, including music and art, all out the window. To say a person who is randomly pounding out notes on an instrument could sound just as good to a person as a notorious musician could perform is just out in left field and out of touch with a lot of things.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 9:08:13 PM

Like Beethoven vs Miley Cyrus. One man writing brilliant symphonies vs 7 people writing trash.

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PC_Max
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:47:41 PM

Temjin001... thats your opinion. lol. And I did not say that "nothing should be valued of critical opinion". You said that or are suggesting that. And you used the word opinion which denotes an individuals personal thought or view.

What I did suggest was to look at multiple sources or reviews to make you own decision. Those reviews you listen to I suppose would be based on if overall they match you own views and tastes. And theres nothing wrong with that.

Opinion, criticism is subjective. I would have though most know this by now. Just my opinion though. :)

Either way... take care and keep playing!

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PC_Max
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:50:10 PM

Jawknee.. yes, yet people still love Miley Cyrus' work. lol. And I am not a Beethoven fan either. If we are talking classical...Tchaikovsky. His music is brilliant. Again, my opinion and my own taste. :)

Keep playing! (and listening to whatever music tickles your backside).

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Jawknee
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 1:00:22 AM

And those people have incredibly terrible taste. I'm sorry...but they do. Just because I like my kids finger paint drawings doesn't mean they're in a league with Van Gogh.

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gumbi
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:10:47 AM
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Rabble rabble rabble I'm so angry that even though this reviewer disagrees with some of the content she gave the game a great score that reflects it's overall quality.

Nevermind firing her. She should be publicly stoned, or better! burned at the stake! She's capable of independent thought and can form her own opinions without being nasty or offensive. That is NOT how we do things on the internet!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:44:23 AM
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She's new to being a woman and Gamespot asked her to review the holy grail of misogyny in gaming, I assume they wanted some of her personal opinions inside the review. Probably for hits, but that is their right. Mayhaps she just wanted to focus her meditation on the social commentary, God knows nobody is focusing on the quality in the content these days. Half the time they just retell the story and slap a score on it.

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telly
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 10:52:29 AM
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Of course people calling for her to be fired are out of their minds, but that's par for the course with the internet, and certain members of the gaming community. I don't like it, but it's not surprising unfortunately.

I do want to point that I think it's a little strange for people to act like her complaints about certain design choices in the game -- discrepancies in gender treatment in the script was very much a choice made by the game developers -- are without merit. Scripts are very carefully written, especially for a huge game like this. Imagine if you were plowing through a God of War game as Kratos, having a blast the whole way and marveling at not just the level design, art and gameplay but also the wonderful script and voice acting, and then all of a sudden, in the final hour, he starts cracking jokes -- "Now that's what I call a sticky situation!" "Talk to the hand!" And so on. What the hell is going on, you wonder? This curious game designer choice can very fairly be considered a failing of the game design. Maybe other people LOVED this design choice, loved that Sony Santa Monica wasn't taking Kratos so seriously anymore. But others would have a very fair, legitimate complain that this undermined an otherwise stellar game, and take the player out of an otherwise very immersive experience.

I'm rambling, but my point is this -- every design choice is, well, a choice. I think it's not only acceptable but GOOD for reviewers to be honest about design choices that they feel negatively impact the game experience.

End rant.

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:46:09 PM

Well that would be true if it was some weird out of place thing like you said about GOW. But the whole GTA series is like that XD. It kind of just proves the opposite you know?

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telly
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 10:43:27 AM

A very imperfect analogy (that I rattled off on a quick break), and I see your point. I guess I'm only trying to say that if something doesn't work in a game, or is problematic for any reason, it could very well be considered a failing of game design. A poor design choice, in other words. I think that's what the reviewer was trying to convey in her GTA V review -- taht while it was ostensibly trying to satirize the treatment of women in certain parts of American culture and society, it ended up just glamorizing or ignoring the issue, or at the very least failed to explore the issue in a way comparable to the OTHER issues the game explores.

Hey, i don't know! I just started the game last night so maybe I'll strongly disagree with her assessment. Bottom line for me is, it struck me as an interesting, potentially accurate and ultimately very minor criticism of the game's design -- she gave it a 9 out of 10, after all, which is a fantastic review score. So her review didn't strike me as a big deal one way or the other. I thought some fans' backlash was WAY over the top, considering that.

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Neo_Aeon666
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 11:06:18 PM

Yeah for sure.

Personnally I make more of a fuss about it because I don't know why there is some kind of fake feminist fad going on whining for absolutely no reason on games. Pressuring developers and annoying me to no end by pushing their ideas on me by crippling the free will of creators.

When I saw people finally get angry since this is a big release, I was happy. I really hope they can stop trying to look good by using gaming stereotypes to push their own propaganda. Reason I say that is also because generally all the games they b1tch about make guys look just as bad or contain tons more offensive things. They just filter it to push their crap on society and it enrages me soooo much. I don't want my *fictionnal MATURE games* to start having filters because some minority is offended but makes a lot of noise... Just don't support the game if you don't like it. It's a way out of society for most and a good way to do things you would never do in RL.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 1:04:23 PM
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maybe big game releases just need to ditch scores altogether.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 8:42:45 PM

Kotaku did this.

Now I HATE reading their reviews.

90% of the time I will skip the entire review and just go to the summary/score. Most of it is hodgepodge to me any ways, I don't really care for excuses.

If a game which was expected to be good, got a bad score, then I would read parts of the review, and vice versa. I don't let review scores affect my purchase either way.

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Kryten1029a
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:21:26 PM
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A lot of the criticisms in the Gamespot review are justified but the labelling of the game as misogynistic is just wrong. We're talking about a world where you can send hundreds of people flying over the hood of your car before gunning down half a major metropolitan police department; it's not a nice place to be. It may very well be that the fact that Carolyn Petit has wrestled with issues of gender has made her more sensitive to this issue than others, but that doesn't make that particular criticism valid.
Rockstar did one of the best portrayals of a gay character that I've seen in any medium in The Ballad of Gay Tony and in GTA IV, when Nico learns that a childhood friend is gay, his attitude isn't one of rage or disappointment but rather shock that he hadn't realized it sooner. ("It all makes sense.") Everything in GTA V, from it's portrayal of women to the location of every individual tree or lamppost was the result of a considered choice by the developer. Rockstar made the game that they wanted to make and that's it. There's no reason to scream at them unless there's evidence of actual malice and I don't see that here.
I don't think that Ms. Petit should be fired for stating her opinion, but I also don't agree with that particular point. The most unfortunate thing about the controversy is that so much of it has centered on ad hominem attacks and snide dismissals rather than addressing the complaint itself.

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TheRaPtuRe
Friday, September 20, 2013 @ 5:09:40 AM
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Stupid bitch

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